WEBVTT - JOSH AND STEFANO: A Sad (And Honest) Update...

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<v Speaker 1>Hello to all of you following the Josh and Stephano journey,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to be honest with you right now.

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<v Speaker 1>The podcast addition to this series has fallen off, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was somewhat intentional on my behalf, because I knew

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<v Speaker 1>if Stephano and I continue doing big, sit down, full

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<v Speaker 1>length chats every few days, we would inevitably have to

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<v Speaker 1>get to certain topics and issues that I have been

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<v Speaker 1>desperately ignoring, and so has Stephano. Because we knew once

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<v Speaker 1>we got to those things and really sat down and

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<v Speaker 1>got into the logistics of what they mean for our relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that we could get through them and

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<v Speaker 1>then how much longer we would have together, which is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially where we're at right now. Fuck, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to cry. But before we get to the

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<v Speaker 1>right now today this morning, like on what's happening literally now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to briefly recap the last nine days.

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<v Speaker 1>So the last podcast episode of Josh and Stephano that

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<v Speaker 1>you heard was me talking about trying to leave him

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<v Speaker 1>at four am once we'd moved in together because I

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<v Speaker 1>had so much on my mind and so many things

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't found the courage to bring up to him yet,

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<v Speaker 1>And that was mostly all about the fact that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>said during the podcast we did on the final morning

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<v Speaker 1>of our honeymoon that he thinks I'm too sensitive about

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<v Speaker 1>certain things. And after that moment when I did try

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<v Speaker 1>to leave at four am, Stefano and I did then

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<v Speaker 1>sit down and I shared this from my past with

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<v Speaker 1>him on the honeymoon, when you say I am maybe

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<v Speaker 1>too sensitive with things already again upset, but like these

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<v Speaker 1>are like these huge things to me. And when you

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<v Speaker 1>did look online and there's like articles like when I

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<v Speaker 1>was sexually assaulted and raped.

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<v Speaker 2>Were it read, it was a fragment of what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It was no situation that you couldn't escape or couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>In a new partner. It's it's hard to get there,

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<v Speaker 1>to be comfortable to talk about it. You know, every

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<v Speaker 1>time I think about it, I think, why did I

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<v Speaker 1>not shout more?

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<v Speaker 3>Push me?

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<v Speaker 1>Like but it's like I kind of just it was

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<v Speaker 1>like that moment, that incident, it was like it validated

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<v Speaker 1>how I'd felt my whole life, never feeling enough, almost

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<v Speaker 1>like I a lifelong battle in my head of feeling

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<v Speaker 1>a certain way that finally the world sees me how

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<v Speaker 1>I've always felt and this is now my place as

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<v Speaker 1>like nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I didn't use the rye wars, uh, it was

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<v Speaker 2>not my intention, So I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know you, like I have nothing bad against you here

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<v Speaker 1>like that those kind of language barriers, confusion and how

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<v Speaker 1>we say things, and you are a lot more black

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<v Speaker 1>and white and a lot of things where it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you knew that was bad. Why do these bad things

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<v Speaker 1>in that cycle? After that incident, and like that was

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<v Speaker 1>in my head a lot throughout the honeym and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we're still having a lovely time, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just put that back to the back of my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was that night when maybe I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>feeling it as much and it felt like your body

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<v Speaker 1>language maybe changed when I wasn't so receptive. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I've obviously had a lot of sex, like in that

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<v Speaker 1>spiral after the incident, it was personal after person just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to feel anything or feel more worthless. And sex

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<v Speaker 1>is this weird thing for me because I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>like so ashamed of it, like I have to be

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<v Speaker 1>very comfortable, and like I have been so comfortable with you,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was just that one time where I felt

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<v Speaker 1>just like.

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<v Speaker 2>A body didn't know anything of the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>went through. I'm so sorry again.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, trust me, this is not me having to go

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<v Speaker 1>You did nothing wrong, like withre do people in a relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just sorry that maybe I couldn't bring it up

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<v Speaker 1>earlier to make you understand a little bit more because

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like guilty in a way, Like you've probably

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<v Speaker 1>questioned why it's Josh slowly pulling away or being a

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<v Speaker 1>bit less receptive, and as this content I was just

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<v Speaker 1>started rolling out, like day by day, I knew you

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<v Speaker 1>had the only fans, I said. I realized that quite

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<v Speaker 1>quickly because I'd recognize you from Instagram to then have

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<v Speaker 1>every day strangers all over the world, Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's acceptable to send me messages like look at your

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<v Speaker 1>husband fucking this person in this video. I don't like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to respond to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that doesn't mean that I don't want a relationship

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<v Speaker 2>or I don't want to connect with people in a

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<v Speaker 2>deeper way. I do this, this and this, like I

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<v Speaker 2>do different things. This is what made my bills.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so much more than that, I suppose it's the

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<v Speaker 1>point I'm trying to get and then after we had

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<v Speaker 1>that sit down and I got all that off my chest,

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<v Speaker 1>like things have been great, Like we started splitting our

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<v Speaker 1>time between his place and mine. The feelings we already

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<v Speaker 1>had started to develop for each other felt like they

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<v Speaker 1>were growing each day, and everything felt so easy and real,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, I know we've been doing this as an experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>but we kind of forgot that in so many moments,

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<v Speaker 1>like we'd often just forget to even capture any content.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the Friday just gone, we went into the

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<v Speaker 1>city and a friend did some filming of us at

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<v Speaker 1>Vivid and we had a producer, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>once we had finished that content side of it, we

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<v Speaker 1>just went for a night dinner Stefano and I and

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<v Speaker 1>during that he said to me, Josh, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>this is like our first official date? And I was

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<v Speaker 1>confused at first because we've had so many dates and

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<v Speaker 1>have done so much and you know, we're spending every

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<v Speaker 1>night together. But then I thought, actually, like this is

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<v Speaker 1>the first time we're out on the town doing something

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<v Speaker 1>like fun and we've made an effort and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>for content, it's not being captured. We've not got our

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<v Speaker 1>phones out, it was just us because we wanted to,

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<v Speaker 1>and it did then feel like that night we really

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<v Speaker 1>progressed as a couple. And during that night while out

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<v Speaker 1>in the city, you know, walking around at Vivid and

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<v Speaker 1>then to dinner, then we got ice cream. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe five different people approached us over a few

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<v Speaker 1>hours and recognized us from the content, and some asked

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<v Speaker 1>for a selfie, and another woman said that she cried

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<v Speaker 1>at the video You've just hit the audio from where

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<v Speaker 1>I was opening up to stepan out, and like every

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<v Speaker 1>single person was so supportive and hopeful and wishing us

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<v Speaker 1>the best, And that kind of messed with my head

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<v Speaker 1>as we then got home a few hours later, because

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<v Speaker 1>this series feels like it's become bigger than I ever

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<v Speaker 1>thought in terms of like how many people are watching it,

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<v Speaker 1>how many followers that page has got, the fact people

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<v Speaker 1>are stopping us on the street, not just to go oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I watched that, but they genuinely are rooting for us.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I just started to think about how the

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<v Speaker 1>fairy tale we've been presenting online up until this week

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<v Speaker 1>isn't entirely accurate, Like, of course every sweet moment and

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<v Speaker 1>cute post you've seen has been real and that's how

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<v Speaker 1>we feel, and that's the reality of whatever that moment was.

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<v Speaker 1>But I made the choice to exclude one big thing,

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<v Speaker 1>not just from the content, but almost from Stefano and

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<v Speaker 1>I every day as a couple in the real world,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the fact that Stefano's sole income is doing

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<v Speaker 1>OnlyFans and now we're back in Sydney, he has returned

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<v Speaker 1>to having to film content for that, which does include

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<v Speaker 1>him filming content with other people. And I have no

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<v Speaker 1>judgment towards anyone doing that kind of work, like good

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<v Speaker 1>on them, I say, I know so many friends in

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<v Speaker 1>their sex industry, but I've never thought like, can I

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<v Speaker 1>be with someone who's doing that? And given how we met,

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose I never got the chance to think about

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<v Speaker 1>that before entering a relationship with someone who well does

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<v Speaker 1>have to sleep with other people to pay his bills

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<v Speaker 1>and film that and then people watch that. And everything

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<v Speaker 1>else between Stephano and I has been so lovely and cute,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like we've been in this bubble of like

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<v Speaker 1>bliss or holiday romance, and I've just been wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>prolong that as long as possible and put off having

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<v Speaker 1>the chat about this because I knew when we did

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<v Speaker 1>things would change, which is what has now happened, because

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday early afternoon, we did sit down to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this and you may have seen a brief video of

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<v Speaker 1>this last night on Instagram, but here is the full

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<v Speaker 1>audio from that sit down.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to have an open relationship, but I

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<v Speaker 2>had to sleep with other people for my job.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not cheating.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a way that I had to put my bills.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the point where at now in this relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>So I said to you today that I want the

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<v Speaker 1>content we're posting to be a lot more honest, and

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<v Speaker 1>like everything has been honest, like everything we've done is real,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have chosen to exclude certain things almost because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel protective of you. I don't want you to

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<v Speaker 1>be villain villainized or you know, people turning you. But

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<v Speaker 1>like this is now the reality that now we're back

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<v Speaker 1>in Sydney, you have to go back to work, and

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<v Speaker 1>that work means sleeping with other people, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how I feel about that.

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<v Speaker 2>This doesn't mean that I don't want to have a relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>that I want to be with you, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>just a way, as I told you, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>way that I pay for this apartment and leave alone

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<v Speaker 2>here in Bondi, which is no easy. And if I

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<v Speaker 2>stopped doing this, what do what do I? I mean

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<v Speaker 2>if I want to be a lawyer here, you know

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<v Speaker 2>how much I have to be study for at least

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<v Speaker 2>one year? Do the bark Sam so many things? To

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, I don't know if I'm ready for the

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<v Speaker 2>if I want to give up all the life standard

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<v Speaker 2>that I that I go.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's worth pointing out here that this is

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<v Speaker 1>not like you've trying to do a bombshell or something

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<v Speaker 1>in this content. That you told all of this to

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<v Speaker 1>Pedro the producer, who much does he knew? This was

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<v Speaker 1>the reality you in a relationship can be committed in

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship, but for your work you still have to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. And I also told Pedro the type of

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<v Speaker 1>relationship I want would not be open, it would be monogamous,

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<v Speaker 1>and Pedro the producer just for oh, we'd figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've been putting off this conversation and I've tried

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<v Speaker 1>not to ask. You know, when I go to work

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<v Speaker 1>in the day, I'm not really asking what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>which isn't me not showing an intro start caring. It's

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<v Speaker 1>more because when the more I think about you doing

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<v Speaker 1>that during the days lately, I question can I be

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<v Speaker 1>with you? Because I again I think in the gay word.

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<v Speaker 1>Open relationships so common that it seems everybody's doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems that's just the most accepted thing, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the way relationships are now defined. But for me, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so old fashioned in the sense of I like romance.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this idea of I'm with someone and that's it,

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<v Speaker 1>It's just me and them.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a type of relationship where, oh, what we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend, I might go see this person, I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>on the apps and that I was like, nah, I

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<v Speaker 1>want my person to be enough. And I know you

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<v Speaker 1>said you don't want an open relationship and that is

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<v Speaker 1>just your work, but you're still sleeping with other people.

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<v Speaker 2>How you use that word because in Spanish sleeping like

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, like a deeper meaning like sleeping with somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just sharing like two hours filming content with somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But then at the end of the day day,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, I'm sleeping, I'm coloring you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not coloring that person.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sharing like a TV show or like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not even cooking for.

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<v Speaker 3>That person.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get that, and I don't doubt your feelings

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<v Speaker 1>towards me. But I suppose maybe I've reached a point

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<v Speaker 1>now where as this goes on and I'm developing more

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<v Speaker 1>feelings for you the more time we spend together, and

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like we're building something. I can't keep ignoring this,

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<v Speaker 1>And I suppose the question in my mind that has

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<v Speaker 1>been can I change my views? Can I accept this?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I I'm not against that industry in the slightest

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<v Speaker 1>and know so many people that do it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know that when they perform and they're filming content with

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<v Speaker 1>other people, I know it's almost like it is performing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like acting, right, it's a job. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have seeing your content now and when I see you

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<v Speaker 1>in that, and then compare that to when we're into

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<v Speaker 1>my I see very different people and different things. But

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<v Speaker 1>you came into this project experiment, whatever we call it,

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<v Speaker 1>with this idea that your partner would have to just

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<v Speaker 1>accept that in you, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Something that I learned in this industry is to split

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<v Speaker 2>sex and low, like you can have both, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can also have one thing and the other thing. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. I mean, I understand you, but

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<v Speaker 2>I had to be one hundred per honest. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I can change my content. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 2>is a chance I can try to do solos. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know all that kind of content. Maybe that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>include sex with other people, something that I have to analyze,

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<v Speaker 2>So I can I conceive it worth it or no?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't want to give up on my lifestyle

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<v Speaker 2>right now, I'm going.

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<v Speaker 3>To take.

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<v Speaker 2>This weekend to think about it, to see what I

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<v Speaker 2>what I can do mmm, because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>make like a big decision without thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we spend a day or two a

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<v Speaker 1>part because I can't work out how I feel about

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<v Speaker 1>they're still seeing you every day and having like these

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<v Speaker 1>lovely moments at home and the romance and that dream

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<v Speaker 1>that I want in a relationship. Like I'm so caught

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<v Speaker 1>up in that that I'm not really thinking about this

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<v Speaker 1>until now, and seeing you every day is making that difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think, yes, a couple of days apart, and

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<v Speaker 1>we should both really think about what a relationship looks like.

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<v Speaker 3>To both of us. I think that will be the.

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<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, I packed a bag, went home and

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<v Speaker 1>I did intended of spending a couple of days apart,

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<v Speaker 1>not talking, not seeing each other. But once that video

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<v Speaker 1>you've just hit the audio from went live a few

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<v Speaker 1>hours later, I think around four thirty pm on Socials.

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<v Speaker 1>The confusion of what's happening between us and the comments

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<v Speaker 1>and then the negativity towards Stephanel, all that like combined

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<v Speaker 1>made me emotional, and it also made Stephane quite upset.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I heard he was upset, like I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't not go over and see him. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to see him. I want to give him a hug.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be there for him because there isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a villain here, no one's done anything wrong. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>this is the reality. And he told all of this

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<v Speaker 1>the peduro before the experiment, like he it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>he was trying to do a bombshell up promote himself,

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<v Speaker 1>like he still wants a relationship. But yeah, hearing him

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<v Speaker 1>upset like over WhatsApp when he texted me saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, nah, I'm I'm going there. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is then what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel that, you know, I look like very tough

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<v Speaker 2>but very sensitive with all.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm reading this and crying like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the first time that I and then.

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<v Speaker 3>I make this out of public, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 3>do too much.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is meant to be our first night apart,

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<v Speaker 1>but I cannot set at home right now. I'm knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that he is upset, and I'm just here too some ay,

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<v Speaker 1>doing nothing, like I just want to go and hug

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<v Speaker 1>him because.

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<v Speaker 3>I know he is struggling, especially.

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<v Speaker 1>With the comments and maybe the uncertainty.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to go and give him a hug

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<v Speaker 4>to honest. Okay, So I've just left and I'm now

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<v Speaker 4>going on because I do still think we need time apart,

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<v Speaker 4>and staying over is not gonna have that. But I

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<v Speaker 4>just wanted to say that there isn't a villain here.

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<v Speaker 4>There isn't a bad person. People don't need to take

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<v Speaker 4>sides with two people different views trying to figure something out.

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<v Speaker 4>I still have so much respect and care for Stephan Now,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like seeing people that care about upset and

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<v Speaker 4>especially stephanel And maybe we should have had this child

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<v Speaker 4>a lot sooner.

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<v Speaker 1>But we were both so caught up and just enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>being together and developing feelings that I mean, we knew

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<v Speaker 1>this would happen. And yeah, and this now brings us

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<v Speaker 1>to this morning today, right now, me sat here in

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<v Speaker 1>the studio alone, and I've got no idea what's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen next. We both are taking space to think

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<v Speaker 1>and I suppose chat with our friends and maybe family

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<v Speaker 1>and try to figure out where this goes. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do feel sad, to be honest, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>he does too. Maybe we can find a way through this,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there is a compromise, maybe there still hope, But

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<v Speaker 1>at this moment, I don't know. So all I'll say

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<v Speaker 1>is thank you to everyone who has been following this journey.

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<v Speaker 1>Will update you when there is an update.