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Speaker 1: The big footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: A mighty roar was heard across the MCG on Saturday

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Speaker 2: afternoon for Brisbane's second straight premiership. Was mighty in every

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Speaker 2: sense of the word. The Lines now have a league

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Speaker 2: record five premierships since two thousand and The scary thing

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Speaker 2: is it doesn't feel like they're dropping out of contention

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Speaker 2: anytime soon. And now the silly season begins and it

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Speaker 2: could be the silliest in seven years with an array

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Speaker 2: of big names poised to move clubs across the next month,

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Speaker 2: we'll have breakdowns of the Grand Final and trade period

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Speaker 2: as well as all your favorite segments in the post

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Speaker 2: Grand Final edition of the Fox Footy Podcast. Ben Waterworth

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Speaker 2: with you as is a flat Max Lawton. Hello MAXI, So.

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Speaker 3: The second time I've had to do a podcast Postcats

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Speaker 3: and Final loss. I'm sure most people listening are thrilled

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Speaker 3: because it did feel like the Neutrals were very much

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Speaker 3: last year. Yes, it's Are we going to get sick

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Speaker 3: of them now? They're still pretty likable Neil Fagan and

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Speaker 3: Andrews a very likable core group up on the stage

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Speaker 2: So something needs to happen for like a heel turned to.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's Chris Fagan's music. Also joining us frothing at

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Speaker 2: the bit for this twenty twenty five trade period Jack Jobnoski,

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Speaker 2: Hello Jack.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Hello Ben, Hello Max. It's it's very good to

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Speaker 4: be here for the back of a enjoyable Grand Final.

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Speaker 4: Enjoyable Yes, you were one of the usuals.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was. It was a it was a very good.

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Speaker 4: Game to watch as a neutral, especially in the first half. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think it was. I think in terms of the neutrals,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone was probe Along unless you were

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeh know, that's an interesting argument. Ballely Smith did

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Speaker 2: He did have a big weekend, he had had big numbers,

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Speaker 2: Do you want to get your Brisbane player ratings out?

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Speaker 2: a grand final, Max and congratulations to the lines. But

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Speaker 3: So the game went exactly as I tipped it, except

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Speaker 3: But it makes so much sense because you looked at

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Speaker 2: And then pretty been the same tags exactly.

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Speaker 3: So that's the only time I've seen a Gelong team

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Speaker 2: I think you're right though that the forty seven In

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Speaker 2: Should we be more sorry, man, we should we be more

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Speaker 2: They were the losingest.

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Speaker 3: Thought it was interesting to see a day where Chris

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Speaker 3: It worked out for them. You have another big Geelong

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Speaker 2: That was pretty damning Jack when that happened. We saw

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Speaker 2: inspirational that act was. The problem is that Jeremy tackled

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Speaker 4: I think it's interesting though, because he had played fifteen

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Speaker 4: if it was maybe Jed Bue's who came in and

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Speaker 3: Fatally understand the point, but you can blame the choice

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Speaker 3: weeks ago. And the half forwards who Jedbue's is not

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Speaker 2: And a couple of times, yeah, you do wander. If

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Speaker 2: that's not the reason why Geelong lost the game purely

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Speaker 3: I mean the really as much as the locking eel

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Speaker 3: That goal I would say gets Brisbane up by twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: At that point it was over over. So that was

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Speaker 2: That was the iconic moment of the Grand Final the

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Speaker 2: player ratings for Brisbane? I did the player ratings for Geelong.

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Speaker 2: We do player ratings for every final, but it does

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Speaker 2: for a Grand Final four. It is it is the

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Speaker 4: Well, the Andrews one, I think is tough because we

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Speaker 4: Harris Andrews. I gave him eight. I think he could

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Speaker 4: that's sort of offset Andrews. I also thought it was hard

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Speaker 4: I guess when some of these acts took place when

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Speaker 4: I gave him a NINEV was he was a seven?

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Speaker 2: Just on Zach Bailey.

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Speaker 3: First player since Stephen Kernahan in nineteen ninety three with

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Speaker 4: He would have been best on ground. I think he

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Speaker 2: Oh it's early, yeah, I think so. I gave Bailey

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Speaker 2: He was busy and he tried, he was trying really

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Speaker 2: you see him trademark Smith where he was, where he

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Speaker 2: was running and carrying. He still had three hundred ish

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Speaker 2: it was a twenty nine disposal game, but a five

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Speaker 2: Bow's who was Gelong's best e bose six and that

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Speaker 3: He felt the most dangerous. Yeah, he never didn't really

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Speaker 3: get enough. Both were we actually put the danger on

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, And he kicked and he kicked four

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Speaker 2: He mentioned stoppages just beforehand. This was a massive stoppage game.

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Speaker 2: There's so many clearances in this game. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's why tom Akins's numbers might be slightly inflated. But

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Speaker 2: I do think that he played on did play on

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Speaker 2: the Norm Smith Medal and offensively Brisbane at the midfield

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Speaker 3: Another number that points to the midfield dominance of the Lions.

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Speaker 3: All the problems of the Cats from Andrew wheel And

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Speaker 3: on Twitter, which was it was Geelong's worst game since

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. Worst first possession to clearance conversion rate, right,

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Speaker 2: Wow, which is so And you go back and watch

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Speaker 2: Couch last week and they pointed out how good Geelong's

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Speaker 2: is you know, credit to Brisbane as well the pressure

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Speaker 2: Just just pointing out this player rating. Quite remarkable that

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Speaker 3: Him and Jeremycameron effectively. Jeremy Cameron's only one good act

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Speaker 2: Which year I gave him before four out of ten.

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Speaker 3: Basically for that I have inspirational completely blanketed and then

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Speaker 3: him not doing anything meant that Shannon Neil was even

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Speaker 2: But that's why I thought Harris Andrews.

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Speaker 3: Was so good, because Neil was completely blanketed all day.

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Speaker 3: So Geelong's Grand Finals after tell forwards no like you

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Speaker 3: have the Joe Danna her moment last year. But it's

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Speaker 3: a game for small forwards at this point, and I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of people were tipping Nonsmith based on that.

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Speaker 3: A lot of Gelong half forward selections manor.

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Speaker 2: Grime mis as mine.

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Speaker 3: They were their sort of sexy dark horse tips. But

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Speaker 3: did an incredibly good job all day, offensively and defensively.

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Speaker 2: So as I mentioned there, jj off the top, these

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Speaker 2: Sam Draper and Oscar Allen are keen to we'll not

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Speaker 2: known about that for several weeks now, and they're going

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Speaker 2: Their their top academy prospect. So they're not going away

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Speaker 4: And it's a scary proposition for the rest of the

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Speaker 4: in outweighs that, and obviously Animal is just another way

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Speaker 4: Like we've seen the development of Jasper Fletcher of and

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Speaker 2: Like a like a superb big on him on that Saturday. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think he was another one who I guess if

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Speaker 4: of conversation does it went back there as well? So

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Speaker 4: like they've got serious names, I think they've got a

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Speaker 4: genuine chance to to really catapult Brisbane into a dynasty

437
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Speaker 4: team because I'm of the belief that they've got to

438
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Speaker 4: win three Premierships for it to be considered a dynasty.

439
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Speaker 4: I think the fact that they've been in the finals

440
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Speaker 4: for seventh straight is great and it's a great measure

441
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Speaker 4: of how they've built under Fagan, But I think to

442
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Speaker 4: be considered a dynasty, you've got to win at least three,

443
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Speaker 4: and there's zero reason why they don't go into next

444
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Speaker 4: season favorites for that third.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting when you talk about this Lion's era, so

446
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Speaker 3: it's almost almost two eras it's the first one which

447
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Speaker 3: they built through the draft and academy guys like Harris

448
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Speaker 3: Andrews and the like, and then it's been the father

449
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Speaker 3: son editions. And it's not a criticism to point out

450
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Speaker 3: that they are the team that is best exploited both

451
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Speaker 3: ways of exploiting AFL list rules father Sons and Academy players.

452
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Speaker 3: The fact that they get both and have this incredible

453
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Speaker 3: crop father Sons, it's something that no other team has

454
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Speaker 3: really had.

455
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Speaker 2: I mean Collingwood Sydney has to a certain extent, Nick Blake.

456
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Speaker 3: Lesser, but lesser, and then Collingwood gets Decos but both

457
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Speaker 3: of them both very good. But then Nnga Wise Quayner.

458
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Speaker 3: But that's sort of about it. So good on one side,

459
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Speaker 3: not elite on both sides. They've got superstars from both avenues.

460
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Speaker 3: Dual Nornsith Medal is at twenty one one of them.

461
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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

462
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Speaker 3: So that's why they're going to be able to stay

463
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Speaker 3: up and continue what's already been an incredibly good period

464
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Speaker 3: for them.

465
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Speaker 2: And from a geelong perspective, they are in that supposedly

466
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Speaker 2: in the hunt for Charlie Colonel. We'll talk a little

467
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Speaker 2: bit more about Colonel a bit later, but link to

468
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Speaker 2: rowand Marshall, who's got one year left to a sin Kilda deal.

469
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Speaker 2: MAXI Marshall probably not too keen. It sounds like to

470
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Speaker 2: play with Tom Dakoney in the same side. Despite the

471
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Speaker 2: success that he had with Paddy Ryder several years ago. Marshall,

472
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Speaker 2: now closer to thirty, probably wants to be that the

473
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Speaker 2: number one ruck did. What happened on Saturday pull you

474
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Speaker 2: more in the direction that Geelong really needs rolland Marshall

475
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Speaker 2: right now to an extent.

476
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Speaker 3: But they've been very, very good for a while without

477
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Speaker 3: a dominant ruckman. So it's I am growing more and

478
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Speaker 3: more to the belief that it is a poor allocation

479
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Speaker 3: of resources to spend above average on a ruckman. It

480
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Speaker 3: can work, It worked with Max Gorn, but Brisbane's Britain

481
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Speaker 3: Sam Draper, which is bizarre because Darcy Fort is a

482
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Speaker 3: dual premiership ruckman for them.

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Speaker 2: It is nuts to think about it.

484
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Speaker 3: And then then you're paying Sam Draper, who is also

485
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Speaker 3: injury prone in the same way that you feared Fort

486
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Speaker 3: and Oskar Mackinnernie have bit. So that's risky and the

487
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Speaker 3: only risk for Brisbane going forward. The only reason they

488
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Speaker 3: would come back down is teams both bidding huge amounts

489
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Speaker 3: for their star players and luring them out like Zach

490
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Speaker 3: Bailey or forcing Brisbane to pay overs, or they're making

491
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Speaker 3: mistakes like paying a lot for a ruckman.

492
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Speaker 2: So either way it's risky.

493
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Speaker 3: I can understand it from Gelong's perspective because Marshall, I

494
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Speaker 3: don't think he's going to completely break their cap and

495
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Speaker 3: they're in a reasonably good spot, yeah enough to fit him,

496
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Speaker 3: but they're not getting him and Kerno And as you said,

497
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Speaker 3: we'll discuss that later on because it's a good one.

498
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Speaker 2: It is a weird one. Would James Warp will help

499
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Speaker 2: Geelong's midfield in any way or is this just a

500
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Speaker 2: squad depth kind of play.

501
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Speaker 4: He seems like a potentially like a it's hard for

502
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Speaker 4: me to say dangerfield type, but he's sort of got

503
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Speaker 4: that bit of a poor man yeah, to be like

504
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Speaker 4: a bit of a breakaway, explosive sort of guy in

505
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Speaker 4: the midfield. And I think that's more of like a

506
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Speaker 4: future play once Danger is gone. Think he's that He's

507
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Speaker 4: he's probably the yin to the yang of you know,

508
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Speaker 4: your Holmes and Smith in terms of, yeah, you have

509
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Speaker 4: the outsider run. So Geelong fixed what was previously seen

510
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Speaker 4: as a weakness in terms of their speed in the

511
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Speaker 4: engine room with Max, with Max Holmes and with Balie Smith.

512
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Speaker 4: But you still don't need that sort of second big

513
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Speaker 4: body to I guess maybe helping Atkins and and to

514
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Speaker 4: I guess tied through and be some depth. I guess

515
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Speaker 4: once once Dangew's not longer in that because we saw

516
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Speaker 4: once the finals began that he got thrust straight back

517
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Speaker 4: in there and his importance in the midfield was so crucial.

518
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Speaker 4: So I think that would be a helpful vision for

519
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Speaker 4: them and Kerno. I think that's obviously gonna be the

520
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Speaker 4: big one. I think that's also a future play post

521
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Speaker 4: post Cameron as he as he wipes down.

522
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Speaker 3: I think if Warpole was at the Catch this year,

523
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Speaker 3: he would have played over Dye Clark.

524
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Speaker 2: Yes, in the grad vial.

525
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Speaker 3: Yes, So it's an upgrade. It's an upgrade for the

526
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Speaker 3: for the now and for the future. So like that's

527
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Speaker 3: an understandable.

528
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Speaker 2: Sign it's now time for this and now.

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Speaker 1: On the Fox Footy Podcast, another strong edition of Australia's

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Speaker 1: favorite segment, Fair or Fast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a player movement theme Fear or Fast.

532
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Speaker 3: It's finally time to talk about trade guys for the

533
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Speaker 3: first time in eleven months.

534
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Speaker 2: Yes, Max, the pendulum has swung in the zach Merritt

535
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Speaker 2: situation Fair or Fast?

536
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Speaker 3: Well, by definition, don't pendulums continue to swing the point of.

537
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Speaker 2: It's evenly so constantly swung back here to towards him

538
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Speaker 2: staying at Essendon.

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Speaker 3: Staying in okay Ah, I think I don't feel any

540
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Speaker 3: different than I did about it a week ago. To

541
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Speaker 3: be honest, I think I'm going to say fast. I

542
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Speaker 3: understand that Andrew Welsh comes out in his first real

543
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Speaker 3: media appearance after becoming a Essennon president, which that geez,

544
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Speaker 3: that happened quickly he did with Dave Barram stepping down,

545
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Speaker 3: but he's sort of just stepping down to make sure

546
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Speaker 3: that his guy is in charge instead of getting overthrown.

547
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Speaker 3: He comes out and says, no, we're not trading him.

548
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Speaker 3: He's going to be at the club next year. But

549
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Speaker 3: that's the same thing Essendon has been saying for weeks,

550
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Speaker 3: so that I don't really put a huge amount into that.

551
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Speaker 3: I think if he's going to really force his way

552
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Speaker 3: out and fall Thorne comes to the table with a

553
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Speaker 3: good enough offer, I think they'll end up having to

554
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Speaker 3: take it. So I would lean him leaving. But it

555
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Speaker 3: is still a very hard one, not the hardest one

556
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Speaker 3: on the board, but one of the harder ones to

557
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Speaker 3: get done.

558
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Speaker 2: What do you think is the hardest to get done?

559
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Speaker 3: Clono to Geelong specifically, which seems like the number one

560
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: option for both Colono and now for Geelong. You had

561
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Speaker 3: Andrew Mackie coming on Sunday and actually saying, yeah, well,

562
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Speaker 3: you know, it's on Carlton to figure out what the

563
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Speaker 3: price is going to be and whether they're willing to

564
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Speaker 3: do it. So that's really hard.

565
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Speaker 2: So on that note, then Jack Sydney looks like Charlie

566
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Speaker 2: Curno's best chance of leaving Carlton fair or fas.

567
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think if Sidney or

568
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Speaker 4: As it seems they might be willing to offer two

569
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Speaker 4: first round picks and maybe a Will Hayward type, that's

570
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Speaker 4: probably That looks like the likeliest way that he gets

571
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Speaker 4: out of Carlton, and it seems like he's dead set

572
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Speaker 4: on getting out of Carlton. Then we see Bailey Smith

573
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Speaker 4: on Instagram teasing you know still that it sounds like

574
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Speaker 4: Curno is very much in play for Gelong. It's and

575
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Speaker 4: I you know, someone like Andrew Mackie and Stephen Wells

576
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: like they're the last people I doubt to still manage

577
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Speaker 4: to get a deal done for Curno. But that does

578
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Speaker 4: look like the harder of the two options. It's it's

579
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Speaker 4: a matter of how desperately Curno wants to get to

580
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Speaker 4: Sydney or whether he's happy to sort of stay in

581
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Speaker 4: the Victoria sort of sphere, but often the side sort

582
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Speaker 4: of how Bailey has in moving across a geelong dangerfield too. Yeah,

583
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Speaker 4: it's interesting, I think, but Sydney would be I guess

584
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Speaker 4: number one in terms of the ease with which it

585
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Speaker 4: gets done. If Carlton are satisfied by you know, the

586
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Speaker 4: two firsts and a Hayward type, do you.

587
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Speaker 2: Think that's fair for Carlton. I wouldn't be thrilled to

588
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Speaker 2: accept that. Of val was Carlton, I would.

589
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Speaker 4: Be pushing for more than Hayward. I'm not like the

590
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Speaker 4: Biggs rap on Hayward.

591
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Speaker 3: I think is maybe that a a favorable pick swap

592
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Speaker 3: or something gets you close, like a player like Oli

593
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Speaker 3: Floren's got named as well, and they discussion.

594
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Speaker 4: I think that's even harsh to be to say less appealing.

595
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: But I think they're in the same level in terms

596
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Speaker 4: of players who don't really move the needle.

597
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Speaker 2: Hayward moves more than I think so.

598
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Speaker 4: But then again, a lot of what Voss has said

599
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: this year is that Carten needs speed and position coming

600
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Speaker 4: out of the back half. The name I think of

601
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Speaker 4: immediately when I hear that, when I hear those sorts

602
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Speaker 4: of traits are blaky and obviously it's going to be

603
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: near impossible to try and pray him out as part

604
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Speaker 4: of that kind of trade. But that's the kind of

605
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 4: name I'd be looking for.

606
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Speaker 2: Riley Bissle. It could start of the year, yeah, dropped off.

607
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Speaker 3: Maybe if Carvin's recruiters stopped watching games at about round eleven,

608
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Speaker 3: maybe they'll accept that one.

609
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Speaker 2: Maybe Max in order into sin Kilda's salary cap is

610
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: much needed.

611
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Speaker 3: Faver or fast they are, I can't believe that. You know,

612
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 3: they're major sponsors. What's the bloody safety brand they're sponsored by.

613
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 3: They're clearly clearly you know, all of those high viz

614
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: vests that I see some Kilda players wearing, it's very

615
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: clear that they are paying them under the no they're not. Yeah,

616
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: it's it's crazy that they're now suddenly offering what Sam

617
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 3: Flanders four point five million yeap over five years.

618
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Speaker 2: That was probably we, I think in general, when we

619
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Speaker 2: heard that they'd re signed NAS for two million, Tom

620
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: Daconing for what Ralphie report on the weekend one point

621
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Speaker 2: six y five million per season, also getting in Jack Sylvanney.

622
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 2: But I think when we heard the Sam Flanders dollars

623
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Speaker 2: that were banned around on Grand Final eve, of course,

624
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 2: of course that's the that's always today when these kinds

625
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: of numbers come out. Yeah, I think there was probably

626
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: probably caught the AFL community off guard, thinking how the

627
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: heck are they doing this?

628
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Speaker 3: Look, I'm sure they have not paid a huge amount,

629
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Speaker 3: they have not paid the full cap. I don't know

630
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Speaker 3: exactly how the cap rules work. I don't think you

631
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: can bank that much space that you can suddenly bring

632
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: in like four players on a well above average wage.

633
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: But all this time we've been talking about Saint Kilda

634
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 4: not being able to hand a big fish. So who

635
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Speaker 4: were they really paying like a massive bucks to prize.

636
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: But there's a salary floor as well, Right, you've got

637
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: to be paying a minimum amount, so they can't have

638
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: that much space to add what four million dollars worth

639
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: of players next year. There was no world in which

640
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: their cap was that open. You would think, hey, maybe

641
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: it was, and they would know their numbers better than

642
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: I would, But it seems preposterous to think that you

643
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: would suddenly have that much space available.

644
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: Maybe it is, Maybe.

645
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: That's exactly what they've worked out in their geniuses.

646
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: Would you be paying nine hundred thousand dollars a year

647
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: for Sam Flanners there? Jack, It's probably not just.

648
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I don't think he's been

649
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 4: played in his best role.

650
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Speaker 3: No.

651
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: At Gold Coast. I think there was a period there

652
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Speaker 4: a year or two ago where he'd sort of found

653
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: a really good role and as Stuart jew yes, yes

654
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 4: he's playing off half back and he was playing in

655
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: the midfielder. I don't think he's a I don't think

656
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: he's a half forward player. I think he's a distributor.

657
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: He's probably more of an outside type than inside. But

658
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: if you get him around the ball and in a

659
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 4: spotwreck can slingshot, I think that's probably his best role.

660
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: And if they can get him playing that sort of footy,

661
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 4: then he could live up to that sort of price tag.

662
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: Well, clearly this is how secutors getting their money. If

663
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: media reporting Sekulta has signed Fiji as a partner for

664
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 3: the next three years in a landmark deal, no plan

665
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: to play games there, which is.

666
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: Disappointed that would hold off games before the Saints a

667
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: good junket.

668
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: If they're going to start selling games to Fiji, I

669
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: would be volunteering.

670
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: It's only five hours from lovely Water. No, I was

671
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: thinking that.

672
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: Well, I think the island right, like just the government.

673
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: I just think of that, Yeah.

674
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: Which is from Fiji? You are correct?

675
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: Or I've drank water and Fiji before. I have no

676
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: memories of it. It was probably probably hydrated me though.

677
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: That's hopefully Jack Judd McPhee Judd mcveee would be a

678
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: bigger loss to Melbourne than Christian Petrarca fair or fast.

679
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: That's a that's a good one.

680
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: It's the tracker, by the way, has flown into Adelaide

681
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: to that.

682
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: Has he really has been seen the Adelaide TV networks

683
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: have a field day.

684
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: Josh Money at the that airport where all I can

685
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: see is Jack Gunvan walking past that hoarding.

686
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: Now it's got Petruca. It's actually a really bad airport

687
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: to sneak into because you have to every gate at

688
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: Adelaide Airport you have to go up the ramp, the

689
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: long ramp, so it's always a long walkers up the

690
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: gate point of the return sort of yep, has did

691
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: and then yes, as we know with the Jack Guinarvan

692
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: doorstop there, it is a very wide open area just

693
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: outside the terminal there because with the subway the cars

694
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: are a long way away from the front of the

695
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: terminal there, there's a lot of open space to get seen.

696
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: So he hasn't played cards right here, Christian.

697
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: But in positive news that airport is connected via public

698
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: transport to the city, imagine that.

699
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, digress, jud McVeigh would be a bigger loss

700
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: for Melbourne than Christian Petrarca.

701
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 4: I still think it's a face, but I think it's

702
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: it's closer than we probably would like to think. Yeah,

703
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: I think Christian would be highly motivated to play his

704
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: best footy in an environment where he feels like there's

705
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: a more cohesion and better chance of success. And I

706
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: think there's every chance that that's at Adelaide. But yeah,

707
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: so I still think what he can do, what is

708
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 4: capable of doing at his best is is still more

709
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: valuable than what mcvee can provide. But in saying that,

710
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: mcvee has really sort of under the radar, been a

711
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 4: really handy player in the back half for Melbourne when

712
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: he's been healthy, and I think this has the potential

713
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: to be for Freemantle, the bear the fruits in the

714
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: same sort of way that they have with Jordan Clark,

715
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: who's risen to all austrailing levels. Not the same sort

716
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: of players speed wise, but sort of one of those

717
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: mid size interceptors, sort of like you think of Jasper Fletcher.

718
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: That's sort of rangey athleticism. So I really like it

719
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: for Fremantle, but I still think Christian is the better player.

720
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: The loss of McVeigh for Melbourne is the type of

721
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: loss that makes a club's list slowly bleed out right

722
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: because it's the young player coming into their prime. You

723
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: trade him for what a high second round pick late first.

724
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: If you miss on that pick, that's just a big

725
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: step backwards, and maybe not a huge step backwards, but enough.

726
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: And then if they.

727
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: Accumulate and accumulate, you lose all your young depth, and

728
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: then you've lost a core that can bring you back

729
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: to contention.

730
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: Will Forcus from our Fox Sports website has been big

731
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: on and leading the Christian Petrarca to Adelaide links first

732
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: to report that last week it feels like if he's

733
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: landing in Adelaide, it feels like it's that's gaining some momentum.

734
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: His report suggested that Petraka was willing to discuss the.

735
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: Idea and warm into it.

736
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, flying to Adelaide suggests you're more than warming.

737
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: Pretty hot mastics. The AFL has finally struck a nice

738
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: balance with its bidding system changes fair or fast.

739
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: Fair, contingent on exact what they end up being. From

740
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: what I've seen, I like them. So it's weird that,

741
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: first of all, it's with that they're changing them again

742
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: when we haven't even had the rule changes that they've

743
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 3: already implemented used once. Because they've got a different bidding

744
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: system with the points table this year, which seems to

745
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: be a bit more fair. But it sounds like from

746
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: what they've reported and various outlets, that you can only

747
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: match a bid using two picks from next year presumably,

748
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: And I think looking at the numbers, that would mean

749
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: to match a bid at pick one you would need

750
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: something like five and eleven, which is going to be

751
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: very very hard to get if you're, for example, Carlton

752
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: next year trying to match a bid for Cody Walker. Yes,

753
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: a pick one contender, maybe one who's based.

754
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: On ground in the under seventeen Futures game on Grand

755
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: Fom Dames for Team Boke or for can't remember to

756
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: be honest, but I know we had twenty seven and

757
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: a lot of clearances. Marlon Neo Cleus Neocles, Yeah, great name.

758
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: Dukie Cochran is also very good. Neo was there?

759
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: Yes, spending time I'll played in under seventeen's football exciting, Well.

760
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: Max, isn't it all we want?

761
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: We want clubs to be using the best picks to.

762
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: Paying full price. We do.

763
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: And when if your Carlton next year, I think there's

764
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: a good chance one of their picks naturally is either

765
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: five or eleven, probably close to eleven, but it could

766
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: be five. But that means they've got to trade something

767
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: of real value to get a top ten pick to

768
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: match that bid. So that's exactly what you want. And

769
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: I think the drop down to pick two would be

770
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: closer to like you need eight and twelve. Yep, maybe

771
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: that sounds about right. And I like that pick one

772
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 3: is particularly hard to matt a bid on because that's

773
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 3: the one you look at the just how it looks optically,

774
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: and getting pick one when you were not when you

775
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: were a premiership contender is unfair. So if it's much

776
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: harder to do that another Jamara type situation.

777
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: Is this the thing? So we haven't seen a player

778
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: attract a bid at pick one since Jamara, so there's

779
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: a will Ashkoff did was probably the best player in

780
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: his draft class, but the Giant said, no, we've traded

781
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: up to pick one Aaron Cadman, you are our guy,

782
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 2: and they picked Aaron Cadman and Ashkroff got a bid

783
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: at pick two. So this is Whereos and Dake well

784
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: somehow Dakos went to pick Sam Sandarsi is obviously a

785
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: young star, but Sam Darsi got a bid before Nick

786
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: Daekos Darcy at two, Dekos at four. So the clubs

787
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: have used the pick one as a bit of a

788
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: statement you're our guy in the past with the changes

789
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: in the bidding system, and maybe because the maybe because

790
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: the bidding system hasn't allowed itself in the past for

791
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: clubs to truly pay value, so clubs sort of don't

792
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: really care.

793
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: In the past if you were making Collingwood match the

794
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: bid on Dacos or Brisbane on Ashcroft, I think they

795
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 3: matched it with like five picks in the thirties FORTI.

796
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: It's been I think you might have done the tweet

797
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: on what Brisbane used to match the will Ashkroff bid,

798
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: and that's been quote retweeted a lot in recent times.

799
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: It's absurd and so it was almost pointless to do

800
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 3: it at the time. But the problem with the system

801
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: at its core is that you're forcing one club to

802
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: act on the behalf of all seventeen who are not

803
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: getting the player, and they are not necessarily incentivized to

804
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: do that when they have their own reasons for picking player,

805
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 3: giving them the Pick one honor, giving them the bonus

806
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: you get like ten grand, twenty grand from NAB. They

807
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: want to say, so there are reasons to pick your player,

808
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: and just hey, we're confident in you, we want to

809
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: believe in you. So it will negate that somewhat. And

810
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: also if the AFL could actually make clubs just stop.

811
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're shaking hands on the tables

812
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: or what. But you've had some weird bids in the past.

813
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: There has been some, Yeah, it has been some weird

814
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: bids that have come in interesting times in the draft.

815
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: And Jack just a slightly Richmond slanted question for Richmond

816
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: fans out there after last year's Megal Hall. The Tigers

817
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: now have the flexibility to target needs at the top

818
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: end of this year's draft rather than best available, fair

819
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: or fast.

820
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: No, I would say I would say fast. I think

821
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 4: they're still in a spot where you need to take

822
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 4: the very best players that are there, especially with two

823
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 4: picks that are going to be inside of the top four.

824
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 4: I think the whole of it Richmond got last November

825
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 4: is going to be is going to to be very,

826
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 4: very good. But I don't think you can sit back

827
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 4: just after that and be like, oh, now we can start,

828
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 4: you know, pinpointing defenders or or whatever else, like outside midfielders.

829
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 4: You know. I still think they've got to go and

830
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 4: target the very best players available.

831
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 3: Is this a draft where you would be able to

832
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 3: target positional needs you have to reach?

833
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: Not really like so for instance, Richmond has picked, we'll

834
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: probably have pick three, So three and three and four,

835
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: three and four after with Oscar Allen, we're assuming getting

836
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: picked two Compo back for West Coast. The problem is

837
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: that the top six of the top six players in

838
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: the draft rank and I'm pretty certain that most clubs

839
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: have a top six and there's a maybe a bit

840
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: of a gap after that. Four of them are already

841
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: club tied. Dan Annible at Brisbane, two sons Ezekiullin and

842
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: Dylan Patterson. And there's I think a school thought now

843
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: that Harry Dean, the Carlton father son, he's in that

844
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: top six bracket now. He's the best defender of them,

845
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: He's the best key defender in there. There's a guy

846
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: called Sullivan Roby who is I think the biggest draft

847
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: bolt since Clayton Oliver. Oliver went up all out to

848
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: three or four I think over ten years ago. Now.

849
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: He's come from the clouds for the Eastern Range, has

850
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: played an incredible Grand Final for you years ago, sorry

851
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. Rather so there is he

852
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 2: could be maybe pushing that top six now. But there's

853
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: a chance that Richmond if that is the case, and

854
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: it never really pans out where ranking is equal what

855
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: happens on draft night. But Richmond is not getting pick seven.

856
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: So what yes, what you're saying is despite having as

857
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: it stands, picks two and three, they would miss out

858
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 3: on the top six players who are the clear top.

859
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: Six well, and as it stands it depends they might

860
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: have control. Back to that discussion around making statements with

861
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: the picks that you have not bidding right, So West

862
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: Coast will likely have picked one and two. Some some

863
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: would say that zeke Yulin might be the be the

864
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: best player in it. Some clubs would have them at

865
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: the top of their draft board. But it's hard to

866
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 2: see West Coast saying to Kooper, duff Tyler or William Durzman.

867
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: I think dur moves probably regarded the number one play

868
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: on the rankings at the moment. Some would say duff

869
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: Tyler as well, but I think I think.

870
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: Has had a more consistency.

871
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: The rock forward. Yeah, whose two dred centimate is really

872
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: good size, But yeah, it's hard to see them saying

873
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: to those guys, and we're going to be bidding on

874
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: zeke Ulan. So those two are the best two that

875
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: aren't in the natural draft, Yeah, the best every chance.

876
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 4: The West Coast. West Coast takes both those two players

877
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 4: and Richmond.

878
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: Just well yeah, or do West Coast bid on someone

879
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: to themselves.

880
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: Which again is the problem with the system, whether you

881
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 3: are relying on West Coast to do something that doesn't

882
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: really benefit them.

883
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 2: At all, which is what North Melbourne did a few

884
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: years ago. Did they I think they took Colby mckircher

885
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: at pick two, sounds right on, Jed Walter pick three,

886
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: then took Zaye dursm a pick four.

887
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 4: Yes, so they could take West Coast could take who

888
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: they want a crown as a number one, pick the

889
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: number one, and then at number two they could maybe

890
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 4: throw a couple of bits out there.

891
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, potentially, Yeah, they did so went a couple of

892
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: years ago. Harley read Cobby mccircher, Jed Walter, Zay durs

893
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: So they could do. But the Tigers could do something

894
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: like that if they want to.

895
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: That'll be fair because then you get the honor of

896
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 3: pick one, all the all the benefits, all the reasons

897
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: you need to pick a pick one and then go

898
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: from there. So that'd be interesting. We've actually got a

899
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 3: West Coast related question in the mail bag. Mailbag only

900
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: question for the mail Bag this week, just a brief whateveryone.

901
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 3: Still it's Mad Monday for the listeners as well. Yes,

902
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: as we know, and Don asks should the West Coast

903
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: Eagles change their deal offered to Brandon Stasvich or scrap

904
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: it all together?

905
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: I did think about asking this as an ancillary question

906
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: as part of the top of the segment when you

907
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: mentioned Brandon Starsavich, But it was hard as unfortunate as

908
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: was it was hard not to have that in your

909
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: head when you saw Brandon Stasovich on the bench during

910
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 2: that third quarter.

911
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: West Coast offering him six years, we believe, which is

912
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: a lot for a guy who was already a concussion

913
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: away from being in big trouble.

914
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: And he had that concussion on the weekend whether and

915
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: it's intangible how that is measured in the end and

916
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: the effect that it has on him, But it was

917
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: hard not to think of that when he was on

918
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: the bench. JJ he has the option of staying at

919
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 2: Brisbane on a shorter term deal, but West Coast's offer

920
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: back to his homestate of wa is clearly more appealing.

921
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: I think West Coast have seriously considered that offer, yeah,

922
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 4: like seriously considerate. And but in another way, it's like

923
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: West Coast could have could have still offered that deal

924
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 4: knowing that he was one concussion away, because.

925
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 3: They have changed the rules around payouts, so they would

926
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: it tapers off after a couple of years, but they

927
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't lose all of that money if he had to

928
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: medically retire next year.

929
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 4: For example, yeah, right, but they'd still be losing a

930
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: decent amount of money if say he signed and then

931
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: he gets concussed again at some stage next year and

932
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 4: he's forced to medically retire.

933
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: An issue they know well that have multiple players, Yes,

934
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: medically retired.

935
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: Yes, So it's a serious like I think most people

936
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 4: would have thought the same thing when he when that

937
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 4: did happen, and I think they would, like six years

938
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 4: already before that concussion seemed like a pretty almost audacious

939
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: sort of deal for someone with a history that you

940
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 4: probably can't really bank on, especially with concussion.

941
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: Now that's the tax of West Coast being bad for

942
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: almost half a decade, Now, is it not that you've

943
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: got to pay that, You've got to offer that security

944
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: to get guys out of the dual premiership team.

945
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 4: And the other part of it is sounds like West

946
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 4: Coast have already been denied their request of potentially landing

947
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: Start Savage to not dilute.

948
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: The free agency compo for Elf Scrawlen.

949
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: Right, So if they if assuming that's not getting over

950
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: the line, then that might also factor into their considerations

951
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 4: in offering such a deal that's going to dilute their

952
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 4: their compound. Then you might get a player who may

953
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 4: only playing not even a third of that deal.

954
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: So that whole system also confuses me because I saw

955
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: that report and then someone suggesting, oh, well, instead they'll

956
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: try and trade for him. Why would they be able

957
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: to trade for him if he's a free agent. I

958
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: don't understand how that would even be an option.

959
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: It's an odd one.

960
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm misunderstanding the report, or.

961
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because they're already because they're.

962
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 4: Getting so that that can match, So then that would

963
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 4: force a trade situation.

964
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: So like just basically what happened with Jeremy Cameron, I

965
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: think did the Giants officially match or at least threatened

966
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: the Giants are?

967
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, either, but Jeremy Cameron was ultimately traded as

968
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: a free agent. Yeah, I need to read the rules.

969
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: But whish these rules, these rules were more obviously, I

970
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: don't think it seems weird that someone could be literally

971
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 3: a free agent and yet you can trade them without

972
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: having signed them.

973
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what can happen though, and that would

974
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: by trading them that would avoid the dilution of the

975
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 2: free agent.

976
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: So theoretically West Coast would trade.

977
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: Like the third round pick.

978
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 4: Yes, Brisbane, Yeah, isn't that a win win for both parties.

979
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a pick that West Coast doesn't get

980
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 3: to use, and and but they get the better pick.

981
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: So yes, it would it would end up being a

982
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: win in a shallow draft.

983
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: I think it's a massive win that West Coast would

984
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: have to give give up a later pick. Brisbane might

985
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: be able to use a one of those later picks

986
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: to help them with a Dan Animal bid potentially.

987
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: So this is the thing, right, So we're talking about

988
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 4: West Coast having picks one and two. If if they

989
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 4: signed Sassovich, their compo is going to be diluted. Are

990
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 4: they still going to get picked if.

991
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: He signs as a free agent, it would be diluted.

992
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: So they would not get picked too if they signed

993
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: him as a free agent.

994
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: That's like, so.

995
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 4: That's an incredibly drastic swing for a club like West

996
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 4: Coast who needs the first two picks. Yeah, it's I

997
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 4: think that's actually a low like a low key big storyline.

998
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: I think because if you're Coast and now, especially given

999
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: its star, to choose a player and you're hoping to

1000
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 4: bank on him as a long term player, but again

1001
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: he's he's had a concussion issue, so I mean.

1002
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: You added to the risk profile, don't you You added

1003
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: to the pinch.

1004
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 4: Surely the Eagles would be then trying to think of

1005
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: a way that can do a trade deal.

1006
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they wouldn't.

1007
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: As Benzai, I think it would favor the lines in

1008
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 3: the end, So that makes sense to be honest. There

1009
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 3: is a chance that starts of it suffering that concussion

1010
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 3: helps Brisbane because it makes him more likely to stay

1011
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: because West Coast are the reason.

1012
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: Willing to offer that.

1013
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: And if their offer is not six years and it's

1014
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: say four, and the gap is not so big, maybe

1015
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: he just goes, well, I'll stay and try and win

1016
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: another flag, and then he's a pretty damn key defender

1017
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: for them.

1018
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: Very important. I think he said it well. I think

1019
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: it's a low key, big storyline as well.

1020
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 4: One that not many would really care keeps about unless

1021
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 4: you're a fan of other team.

1022
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: But the intricacies of the trade people, I.

1023
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 4: Think it's very it's very it's a very curious one.

1024
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: That is the end of fear of Face and the

1025
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: mail bag. Just maybe one before we wrap up which team,

1026
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 2: because the frenzy period opens on Friday and trade period

1027
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: next Monday, and we'll be doing a couple of trade

1028
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: shows during the trade period here on the Fox Free Podcast.

1029
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: Which team needs to win the trade period or needs

1030
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 2: to try and desperately needs to come out of trade

1031
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: period as a winner rather than a loser. You know,

1032
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: Richmond's I think, is going to be a team that

1033
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: is not going to have much say in the trade

1034
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: period at all. Seems like they're going to be very

1035
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: very quiet. Is sin Kilda that that team?

1036
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: Well, they have put the urgency upon themselves with their plan,

1037
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: which we like. We likely they're being aggressive, but they

1038
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: are now putting the others in the situation where they're

1039
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: going to get all these guys and it's going to

1040
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: cost them quite a bit. And if they're bad next year,

1041
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: or if they're even pedestrian where everyone's going to go,

1042
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: well that was a bit of a waste, wasn't it.

1043
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: We'll see how it pans out. But they put themselves

1044
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: in a risk position. For me, it's the teams who

1045
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: are who should be better than they are but aren't.

1046
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: So I'm looking Culton. So Carlton's decision on Kerno is

1047
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: enormous if they trade him, and it seems like they

1048
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 3: are desperate not to they have to get something that

1049
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: makes their fans at least understand why they're willing to relent,

1050
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: because the fan base is already not thrilled. Michaelvoss is

1051
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 3: already going on the hot seat next year, and he

1052
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: has no reason to want to trade away Kurno and

1053
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 3: get worse next year.

1054
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: Because then he's keep his job is in the same ballpark.

1055
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: Then, yes, but they are not at least they weren't

1056
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 3: supposed to be flag contenders this year, and they theoretically

1057
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: have a long term plan, a long term plan that's

1058
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: getting disrupted by trading away Zach Merritt because he's the

1059
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: superstar that helps the young guys get to that level

1060
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: along with him.

1061
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: But it is still enormous for them.

1062
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: If if they can make the case a lot easier,

1063
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: if you trade Merit and say, hey, we're going to

1064
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: go to the draft for the two three years, we're

1065
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 3: going to be really good. Once Satazy comes in in

1066
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight, twenty nine, we're going to be contenders.

1067
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: You can at least prosecute the argument to your fans,

1068
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: even if they are pretty impatient.

1069
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 4: Understandably, So, what are you, jj I think makes you

1070
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 4: make a good point about Saint Cold. They've taken and

1071
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: all the pressure off themselves early by almost convincing his

1072
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 4: players or his joint so we sort of re know

1073
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 4: what their plans are. It's more now how those players

1074
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 4: all meshed together the next year. I think it's more

1075
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 4: about teams like carl and Sydney. Sydney with a team

1076
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 4: that we thought last offseason didn't do enough, I guess

1077
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 4: following their Grand Final loss, and then that sort of

1078
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 4: played out this year while some of their guns are

1079
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: out so we didn't they didn't sort of make them

1080
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 4: moves after they lost a Grand Final necessary to then

1081
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 4: sort of, I guess have enough list turnover to put

1082
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 4: themselves back in a conversation this year. And I think

1083
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 4: Kurno is what could really put them over the top

1084
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 4: because we've long talked about their forwards being middling and

1085
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: not being real needle movers, and Kurno I think is

1086
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 4: a needle mover given the supply he'd get in that

1087
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 4: forward line. So they're a big one and Cartler are

1088
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 4: a big one. Geelong low key, but that's why Kerno

1089
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 4: sort of ties those three together in one in one

1090
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Speaker 4: this trade period. Obviously, Hawthorne as well, you sense and

1091
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: need that extreme midfielder put them over the top. Obviously

1092
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Speaker 4: they didn't have will Day, but you add Zach Merritt

1093
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: and a healthy will Day next year and Jesus can

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00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 4: certainly they're right behind Wrisbe in terms of flag contention.

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Speaker 2: They're already I.

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00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 3: Think like second favorites and like the betting markets because

1097
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Speaker 3: which it's completely understandable from my perspective. The other one,

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00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: the Bulldogs, they need to do something. They need to

1099
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Speaker 3: have some sort of defensive changes, whether it's list or tactical,

1100
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 3: ideally both they need to do something, and it seems

1101
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: like they're not getting anyone right now. Well, they want

1102
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 3: cow Wilkie, they do, but it doesn't seem like sCOD

1103
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 3: is going to give him up. So if if you

1104
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: can do that, that's probably the biggest win they could

1105
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 3: have this trade period. Doesn't sound like they want Stephen May,

1106
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: which looking at Steven May over the last twelve months,

1107
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: I can kind of understand. Was it kind of Butterick, Yes,

1108
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: it's been linked to Yes, I don't know that he's

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00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: Robertson Dev Robertson. Yeah, finally in midfielder at the Bulldogs.

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting call, so it doesn't seem like the

1111
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 3: guy isn't there for them to go and get. In

1112
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: the same way that Sydney just needs a tall player

1113
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: who is good at football, the Bulldogs need a call defender.

1114
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: Jake lever Jack Leber would be the best realistic veteran

1115
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 3: trade option for them.

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00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 4: I think I think it sounds like Jordan Butts maybe

1117
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: is more lucky to stay it now.

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Speaker 3: And I think, well, it didn't seem like either lev

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00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 3: nor Melbourne were super keen on doing that when that

1120
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 3: was floated over the last few weeks. Certainly not in

1121
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 3: the way that they're happy to let may go.

1122
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 4: Richmond's Tyler Young is one of the players young, yes, yes, Young.

1123
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Speaker 3: So if this is the pool of the Bulldogs swimming in,

1124
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 3: they are not fixing their problems.

1125
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 2: And now, of course Joel Handling is off the market.

1126
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: Bus You and Will for them were very devastated by

1127
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: Joel Hemming being part of trade.

1128
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 3: Gws have been linked to about seven different veteran key defenders.

1129
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: It's Sam Frost for free is not bad.

1130
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 4: I don't mind Jane Leverde for them as depth.

1131
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: That looks like it's happening. Giants for a guy who

1132
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: might play like four or five six games. No, Sam

1133
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Speaker 2: Frost to the Dogs. There you go, do that, do it.

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Speaker 2: Luke Beverick definitely listening. Lean Jones worked well last time

1135
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Speaker 2: when he came in as a real mature the definition

1136
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Speaker 2: of a mature age recruit there as a throw at

1137
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Speaker 2: the stumps.

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Speaker 4: They're just gonna be massive watch, like the Bulldogs just

1139
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Speaker 4: because and you look at their Grand Final, the footscray

1140
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 4: of Grand Final team and just how many AFLs and

1141
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 4: players are playing there, and it's just like they've got

1142
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: so much but have done so little.

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Speaker 2: And they'll they'll be a big watch. And we at

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Speaker 2: foxfooty dot com do a You will be watching the

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