Speaker 1: Okay, Team Tiffany and Cooker, Lauren, Wilma, Veronica Patricia, Mary Burns, Craig,
Speaker 1: Anthony Harper, Lauren. What's your middle name? Do you have one?
Speaker 1: It's Sean Tell Lauren Schontell Lauren's.
Speaker 2: Not Wilma Patricia. Well, yeah, it's very French, which I
Speaker 2: guess is fitting with the Olympic Games coming up in Paris.
Speaker 1: That is, I'll look at you fucking straight up with
Speaker 1: a segue. Before we talk to the PhD doctor, academic
Speaker 1: brainiac Olympic gold medalist, underachiever, let's talk to tiff hey.
Speaker 2: On, isn't that me?
Speaker 1: Isn't that me? You were just described? Nah, you're the
Speaker 1: fucking superstar of the trio. How are you?
Speaker 3: Very good? Thanks, very good.
Speaker 1: It's just gone past midday here in Melbourne. It's Thursday,
Speaker 1: the thirteenth of June. Have you had a good morning,
Speaker 1: Tiffany and cook.
Speaker 3: It's flown by.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have a been in the gym all morning shouting
Speaker 3: at people and may making them do the work and achieve.
Speaker 1: Now you've got your first em scene. We won't say
Speaker 1: what it's apt, but you've got your first big emcene
Speaker 1: gig tomorrow Lauren, have you ever MCED an event? We
Speaker 1: know you speak at lots of events, but have you
Speaker 1: had it? All right, give you some advice because she's
Speaker 1: pumping me for advice.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: The Olympic gold medalist, what's the gold medalist got?
Speaker 2: Well, this is advice I got from Adam Spencer, who
Speaker 2: I actually think is one of the best mcs I've
Speaker 2: ever known. He's just so I mean, I don't try
Speaker 2: and be funny. I mean he's funny. But is to
Speaker 2: read everything out loud because often you read your notes
Speaker 2: and you're like, yep, I've got that, no worries, But
Speaker 2: then when you're reading them as you're m seing, it's
Speaker 2: quite different. So you know, pronunciation of names, reading them
Speaker 2: out loud, and then I actually think the audience really
Speaker 2: loves it if they can connect with you personally. So
Speaker 2: if there's a story that you can weave in to
Speaker 2: introduce yourself a little bit as who you are rather
Speaker 2: than just the EMC, that's always great.
Speaker 1: Perfect, very much.
Speaker 3: Ma'am, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: That'd be one hundred dollars tip.
Speaker 3: I'll let you hope know how it all goes down, Lauren, Yes,
Speaker 3: I mean it goes down well, I'd love.
Speaker 2: To hear well. And it's all those things about you know,
Speaker 2: performing under pressure no matter what it is. But the
Speaker 2: more that you can get yourself in a space that
Speaker 2: you just can be yourself and that's often hard. So
Speaker 2: you know, breathing is i'd say number one beforehand, and
Speaker 2: then just yeah, trying to be connect with the audience
Speaker 2: just as who you are. Now that's but I won't
Speaker 2: find I am seeing more nerve wracking than speaking. So
Speaker 2: I'm just giving you the advice I give myself.
Speaker 1: That breathing is not to be con confused with hyper ventilator, right,
Speaker 1: because I do.
Speaker 3: I do like to overachieve and go all in with everything,
Speaker 3: don't I?
Speaker 1: You do? But I mean you're doing it. Speaking of
Speaker 1: performing under pressure and being an MC and being professional speaker,
Speaker 1: which you get in front of lots of audiences these days.
Speaker 1: Is there any benefit from being an elite athlete on
Speaker 1: the world stage and having to kind of manage emotions
Speaker 1: and feelings and energy and then was that translatable to
Speaker 1: what you did post sport, Lauren?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think the elite sporting world there's
Speaker 2: so much correlation with everyday life. You know, whether you're
Speaker 2: a high school kid or you know, primary school student
Speaker 2: or corporate ceo. That ability, that self regulation and ability
Speaker 2: to constantly kind of reflect, re evaluate plan. You know,
Speaker 2: there's so much detail I think that goes into you know,
Speaker 2: high pressure events. But then to be able to kind
Speaker 2: of especially at an Olympic Games or in the sporting arena,
Speaker 2: is to kind of let it go and just in
Speaker 2: the moment. And that can be quite difficult because you know,
Speaker 2: we're always overthinking things or we're trying to be as
Speaker 2: prepared as we possibly can. But that ability to be
Speaker 2: in the moment, and you know, I actually found when
Speaker 2: I was leading up to the Olympics, I used to
Speaker 2: do a lot of strategy work, like always looking at fights,
Speaker 2: breaking down play constantly kind of you know, looking at
Speaker 2: the chess situation of different strategies. But then when I
Speaker 2: started really watching competitors that I respected and watching for joy,
Speaker 2: you know, watching for flow, watching for like enjoyment of
Speaker 2: the game and like the just that pure joy and
Speaker 2: so trying to connect into that space I think can
Speaker 2: be you know, why you're there, why you love it,
Speaker 2: why you enjoy what you're doing, even though it can
Speaker 2: be completely nerve wracking, And the other thing I think
Speaker 2: really is to you know, to understand that all of
Speaker 2: the things that you feel, like whether it's clammy hands
Speaker 2: or feeling like you're going to vomit, it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that you can't perform, and actually that might be you're ready.
Speaker 2: And you know, we used to do that a lot
Speaker 2: with the Gold Medal Ready program at the AIS is
Speaker 2: talking to athletes about that's okay, this is my ready.
Speaker 2: Like I might feel like I'm about to, you know,
Speaker 2: completely just freeze or vomit. Maybe you do vomit, but
Speaker 2: to go that's okay. I can still perform and not
Speaker 2: expecting everything to be perfect, because you know, it's pretty
Speaker 2: rare that someone says I just wrote my plan, did
Speaker 2: everything the way I was meant to, and then just
Speaker 2: worked out I want an Olympic gold medal. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like there's always the stories that come out afterwards
Speaker 2: of like this went wrong, this happened beforehand. You know,
Speaker 2: I had this injury, I was sick, I got whatever
Speaker 2: travel bug, and so just sort of preparing for that
Speaker 2: it's going to things. The shit will hit the fan
Speaker 2: and that's okay, you can still perform.
Speaker 1: Have you ever met or worked with or coached athletes
Speaker 1: who were say this because I've had this experience. I
Speaker 1: met them and they had amazing genetics, amazing skill, amazing talent,
Speaker 1: amazing potential, but they just couldn't manage their anxiety. They
Speaker 1: couldn't make.
Speaker 2: All they the week before.
Speaker 1: Well, but I mean I remember, you know, like I
Speaker 1: worked at sin Kilda for four years, and I remember
Speaker 1: there'd be some some young dudes who would come in
Speaker 1: and they'd test everything like skill, speed, muscular endurance, rubicondurance,
Speaker 1: you know, like they and and also were great at footy,
Speaker 1: but all the physiological testing was off the chart and
Speaker 1: they had great skills on both sides of their body,
Speaker 1: and even in training pretty outstanding. And then in match
Speaker 1: conditions sometimes just they just their anxiety and their nerves
Speaker 1: would pretty much kill their their talent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I mean I saw that
Speaker 2: all the time. And yeah, athletes who would be like
Speaker 2: in that week leading up just amazing, smashing it, and
Speaker 2: you think, God, they're going to kill this comp And
Speaker 2: yet it's not always those ones that you know really
Speaker 2: often come out with the outcomes that you expect. And
Speaker 2: I think preparing for the unexpected and you know, even
Speaker 2: I used to do a lot of visualization and mental image,
Speaker 2: you know, rehearsal. And I mean it depends on the
Speaker 2: sport too, and this relates to you know, other every
Speaker 2: area in life if we can imagine these things. But
Speaker 2: I used to imagine things going wrong and that I
Speaker 2: could always find a way out of it. You know,
Speaker 2: I'd be down on points, or the referee, I'd make
Speaker 2: a bad call, or I'd get an injury in the
Speaker 2: fight or whatever it might be. And it was like
Speaker 2: I can always outthink, out smart outdoor and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It's not about technique or power or strength. It's just
Speaker 2: being able to a bit of you know, it's that grit.
Speaker 2: And in my PhD I wrote about and I guess
Speaker 2: I borrowed this from taekwondo, but it's about cultivating that
Speaker 2: indominable spirit. And that's that's what the mastery level athletes
Speaker 2: have as ones that you know, some athletes have been
Speaker 2: to bloody five Olympic Games. I don't know how they
Speaker 2: can do it many years, you know, Olympic quads four
Speaker 2: years at a time. It's just but it's that in
Speaker 2: that indominable spirit that's kind of that mental toughness, that
Speaker 2: grit that's not there with just natural talent.
Speaker 1: What's that swimming? That is Emily Sebam the one that
Speaker 1: just qualified for a fifth Is that her the one
Speaker 1: that just qualified for a fifth Olympics? Or is it
Speaker 1: someone else?
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it, but that I mean, she's she's
Speaker 2: I think, isn't she the most decorated swimmer?
Speaker 1: Can you just check that you just qualify because she she?
Speaker 1: I know it's it's one of the ladies. She's the
Speaker 1: first ever swimmer. I think Andrew Gays went to five
Speaker 1: Olympics and a few others have been.
Speaker 2: But like a question mark, I think, yeah, yeah, but and.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think I think the first female or
Speaker 1: the first Australian swimming to go. And you think about
Speaker 1: like the lifespan of a swimmer is not generally that long.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a lot of chlorine, isn't it. That's
Speaker 2: a lot of.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of head down and looking at a
Speaker 1: black line. I mean it takes a certain speaking of
Speaker 1: psychology and mentality and toughness like to be able to
Speaker 1: do that sport, which is for the most part quite lonely,
Speaker 1: even though you might be part of a club. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I I don't know if i'd I admire them
Speaker 1: for what they do, but I'm definitely not envious of
Speaker 1: doing that actual work out.
Speaker 3: If I haven't come up with it yet, you'll figure
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: So when you just put your hand up when you
Speaker 1: find out. So I wanted to talk to you about
Speaker 1: obviously we're coming up to the Olympics there a minute away.
Speaker 1: Does it feel like it's almost quarter of a century
Speaker 1: since you won your gold Middle End Sydney. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about because I was thinking about, Oh, this is
Speaker 1: a good idea, we'll talk to you. The Olympics are
Speaker 1: coming up, and it's been a minute since Lauren won
Speaker 1: who medal, And then I went, oh, fuck, it's nearly
Speaker 1: quarter of a century. It's twenty four years. Well, you're old,
Speaker 1: I mean, apart from everything else, you're old.
Speaker 2: I know. I just turned fifty on the weekend too,
Speaker 2: which is pretty awesome. And that did make me think,
Speaker 2: oh my god, turning fifty. It's been twenty four years
Speaker 2: since the Games.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yes, but sometimes it feels like it was you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't even live that life. You know, training seven
Speaker 2: hours a day, the amount of the grueling training in Korea,
Speaker 2: Like we'd go to these martial arts universities and we'd
Speaker 2: be running up hills in the minus fifteen degree snow
Speaker 2: and ice, and it was just crazy. And then other times,
Speaker 2: you know, when I catch up I mean obviously when
Speaker 2: I speak and sort of tell my story, or when
Speaker 2: I catch up with alumni, you know, other of teammates
Speaker 2: or in Olympic Games, it kind of brings back more
Speaker 2: of those detailed memories. Like the other day, I was
Speaker 2: just thinking about that dining hall. Oh my god, like
Speaker 2: you know, and they say, and I was cutting for
Speaker 2: a weight division, so I wasn't really eating anything in
Speaker 2: the dining hall, but you know, just those things that
Speaker 2: it's just so the epic proportions of the Olympic Games
Speaker 2: and athletes who you know, I see a lot of Natcook,
Speaker 2: beach volleyball gold medalist is doing a lot at the
Speaker 2: moment around raising money for athletes trying to get to
Speaker 2: the Games, and that brings back a lot of memories too,
Speaker 2: because we used to get forty two dollars a week
Speaker 2: on the Olympic Athlete Program and so many I know,
Speaker 2: we thought we'd hit the jackpot because we're an Olympic
Speaker 2: sport finally, but so many athletes, you know, they they
Speaker 2: just do it because they love it. There's a passion there.
Speaker 2: They're not funded, you know, they don't have you know,
Speaker 2: it's only really often the biggest sports, and even that's
Speaker 2: the top level of those sports. But you know, it's
Speaker 2: such a passion project, you know, funding yourself and working
Speaker 2: towards an Olympic Games, and you know you're not doing
Speaker 2: it to be on TV or get the accolades from
Speaker 2: the wider community, because often as smaller sports you don't
Speaker 2: even expect to be on television or get any enclosure
Speaker 2: or any sponsorship or whatever. So it's just that and
Speaker 2: I think that's what really the Olympic Games are meant
Speaker 2: to be about, that pursuit of physical endeavor, where it's
Speaker 2: the mind body here it being the best that they
Speaker 2: can be. And yeah, you trained for four years and
Speaker 2: you might go out and you might get a hamstring
Speaker 2: injury and warm up and then that's the end end
Speaker 2: of that. So there's high stakes.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the sprinters who trained for their
Speaker 1: one hundred meter event for four years and get who
Speaker 1: break twice, you know, and get dq God, yeah, you imagine, imagine,
Speaker 1: especially if you're number one, two or three, which has
Speaker 1: happened just quickly, Tiff, what did you find for us?
Speaker 2: Emily sebam sebomb?
Speaker 1: Is that Emily s bomb? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Perfect? So can I just ask what? I know we're
Speaker 1: not meant to talk about people's weights, but I think
Speaker 1: it's quite pertinent when you have to make a weight
Speaker 1: for a sport. I feel like, was were you forty
Speaker 1: eight or fifty two or some nine, and so you
Speaker 1: had to get to forty nine. You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: intend to talk about this, but I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about fucking weight cutting for sports is such a fucking stupid,
Speaker 1: unhealthy practice, so bad for the body. Potentially, it depends.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're walking around weight is fifty one
Speaker 1: not a big deal, right, But I mean, like I've
Speaker 1: worked with boxes, mixed martial artists, rowers, even a few jockeys,
Speaker 1: and some of the shit that they have to do
Speaker 1: to make a weight is and you think about what
Speaker 1: is going on with your body. I mean when you
Speaker 1: are really dehydrated, which a lot of people are very
Speaker 1: dehydrated when they stand on the scales like that, you
Speaker 1: know your bloodsticker increased viscosity, less blood volume, greater risk
Speaker 1: of heart attack, stroke, and let's be honest, death, your
Speaker 1: brain doesn't work because you know, your brain's ninety per
Speaker 1: cent water, and your cognitive function plummets, and it's so
Speaker 1: unhealthy to meet this kpi. What was your walking around weight?
Speaker 2: Generally, my walking around weight was fifty five. My training
Speaker 2: weight was fifty three, like a kind of lean training
Speaker 2: weight was fifty three. I always fought in the under
Speaker 2: fifty one kilo class, so that was there's normally eight
Speaker 2: weight divisions in taekwondo, and that's like world championship weight division,
Speaker 2: so I'd always cut into that fifty one, and that
Speaker 2: was tricky, but it was pretty safe. Forty nine they
Speaker 2: changed all their divisions for the Olympics, so instead of
Speaker 2: having eight, they only had four. So then they were
Speaker 2: big gaps, ten kilo gaps. I either had to go
Speaker 2: under forty nine or under fifty seven. And so the
Speaker 2: fifty seven kilo girls that you know, they're dropping in
Speaker 2: from sixty two sixty five, it's a totally different game.
Speaker 2: So it took me a while to decide, and I mean,
Speaker 2: I probably always thought I'd do forty nine, but I
Speaker 2: did like dexa scan. We you know, went through the diet,
Speaker 2: had dietitians. I was in at the vis. We did
Speaker 2: everything right, and they said it's pretty much you know,
Speaker 2: bone density. They said, it's unsafe for you to ever
Speaker 2: sit at forty nine, so let's just get you down
Speaker 2: as close as we can and just hit it on
Speaker 2: the day because normally they'd want me sitting there. So
Speaker 2: I did it. It was actually really tricky, and it's
Speaker 2: something that I'm quite passionate about because I had done
Speaker 2: that running it off in the past, put the sweats on,
Speaker 2: you know, like in the sauna, skipping and jogging and
Speaker 2: all that stupid shit. And I just had found that
Speaker 2: and there's a real culture around it around you know,
Speaker 2: dropping weight, and it's like you've got to do it
Speaker 2: in that way otherwise you're not tough enough for something stupid.
Speaker 2: So I didn't find that if I if I'd cutweight
Speaker 2: running or skipping or saunering or dehydrated, I didn't have
Speaker 2: the reaction time. I didn't have the decision making. You know,
Speaker 2: I might get through one or two fights, but if
Speaker 2: I made it to the final, I didn't have that
Speaker 2: ability to adapt when you know something had happened and
Speaker 2: I'd need to think more strategically, and there's nothing there.
Speaker 2: So for the Olympics, I decided that I'd do it
Speaker 2: really well, really safely. I would not sweat it off
Speaker 2: at all, like zero sweating. So I increased my walking.
Speaker 2: That was probably the biggest thing, like just and because
Speaker 2: I couldn't run anymore because the aerobic sessions were so big.
Speaker 2: The load it was so big anyway, with the running
Speaker 2: and jumping and you know that we do in taekwondo kicking.
Speaker 2: So I just had to do it really really slowly.
Speaker 2: Took about three months, and then also to make sure
Speaker 2: that I was had strength, had power, had all that clarity.
Speaker 2: So it was really very difficult. And especially my roommate Lisa,
Speaker 2: she was putting on weight, so she was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I can't eat anymore. She's going to the
Speaker 2: dining hole just like eating as much as she could.
Speaker 2: But it's a good point and because I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's this real culture around it, and there's been there's
Speaker 2: been a few deaths actually, so in I know in taekwondo,
Speaker 2: in Mma, I think there was a young girl who
Speaker 2: died not that long maybe a year or two ago,
Speaker 2: So I think they're starting to put in some parameters around,
Speaker 2: you know, weighing after and things like that, so that
Speaker 2: you're not just trying to get down then refuel.
Speaker 1: So when did you, Lauren, when did you weigh in?
Speaker 1: Like what day and what time of day did you
Speaker 1: weigh in compared to when you can in other words,
Speaker 1: what was the time gap between way in and stepping?
Speaker 1: You know, on the map.
Speaker 2: It's probably four hours, four or five hours.
Speaker 1: Normally it's not that's not long at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, normally it's earlier. So normally you weigh in about
Speaker 2: seven o'clock in the morning, and I'd probably usually fight
Speaker 2: around nine, but I had to buy, so I probably
Speaker 2: fought around eleven first fight. So yeah, you don't have
Speaker 2: long And also you can't just suddenly drink a litle
Speaker 2: of water or have a big bowl of pasta. You
Speaker 2: just be z like after Christmas lunch and you can't move.
Speaker 2: So it's just that, you know, re hydrating slowly, sipping
Speaker 2: on things, little bites of food. But yeah, I did
Speaker 2: do it very well, and I actually felt, you know,
Speaker 2: I felt the strongest I'd ever felt in my life,
Speaker 2: even though I was forty nine killers and in the
Speaker 2: lightest weight division. I felt pretty strong that day.
Speaker 1: It's amazing because when you think these things are kind
Speaker 1: of like almost counterintuitive because you've got to drop weight,
Speaker 1: but also you want to be strong and powerful and fast,
Speaker 1: and you want your brain to be working optimally. So
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, based on what you said, the
Speaker 1: way to do that most effectively is over a much
Speaker 1: longer time frame than trying to dump water in the
Speaker 1: last few days or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I mean I didn't have much the day before,
Speaker 2: but I was still able to drink a little bit.
Speaker 2: I wasn't much, but at that point, I'm really sort
Speaker 2: of you know, crafting that final final bit. And then
Speaker 2: even with all of the weight training and everything that
Speaker 2: I was doing, like I had a great strength coach
Speaker 2: and you know, he helped me with all of that,
Speaker 2: and I was stripping a lot off my upper body.
Speaker 2: You know. So my legs were well, I thought they
Speaker 2: were giant forty nine kilos, but you know they were
Speaker 2: so strong and so explosive and so powerful and it
Speaker 2: was really all you know, legs driven and core and
Speaker 2: I was pretty pretty lean across my upper body.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. And so the most important question is not
Speaker 1: about the gold medals. What the fuck did you eat after?
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I mean I so pasta mainly I love pasta.
Speaker 2: But afterwards all I wanted was pizza and beer, and
Speaker 2: I was obsessed. You know. My friends were like, oh,
Speaker 2: we'll meet you afterwards. And then I had like Royan
Speaker 2: HD the dream and media and all this stuff, and
Speaker 2: they're like, well, come back to our place. There was
Speaker 2: a friend was living in Sydney. We'll get you pizza
Speaker 2: and beer. But when I got there, you know, I
Speaker 2: could only have one piece of pizza, and I didn't
Speaker 2: really feel like the alcohol. And I've had a lot
Speaker 2: of bruises. All the bruising was coming out because you know,
Speaker 2: it's a full contact martial art, so I've got bruises
Speaker 2: all over my arms and my legs and I had
Speaker 2: a massive kick to the groin that was pretty bad.
Speaker 2: So I didn't really want to drink anyway after that.
Speaker 2: But it was lovely. The thought was there that I
Speaker 2: could then have everything I wanted, but I just didn't.
Speaker 2: Went back and had some steamed broccoli the next day,
Speaker 2: which is what I was used to eating.
Speaker 1: When you grow when you grown up and you were
Speaker 1: in the sport and I think your mum and dad
Speaker 1: had an academy, right or no?
Speaker 2: No, but mum was a professional dancer, so I guess.
Speaker 1: Right it was whom I thinking of someone. Sorry apologies
Speaker 1: but anyway, So you're growing up, you're in the sport,
Speaker 1: you're competing, and you're thinking about down the track, maybe
Speaker 1: the Olympics. So you've got this idea of being an
Speaker 1: Olympian and ultimately an idea of being an Olympic gold medalist.
Speaker 1: What was the difference between or the space between the idea,
Speaker 1: the dream, the vision, the hope and the reality, Like,
Speaker 1: now I am an Olympic gold medalist, how is it different?
Speaker 1: Either better or worse?
Speaker 2: As in, how was it afterwards?
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, now you're an Olympic gold medalist. Like people
Speaker 1: like I have an idea in my mind of what
Speaker 1: being an Olympic gold medalist would be, but how the
Speaker 1: fuck do I know? I'm just a fucking sixty year
Speaker 1: old in Bayside, Melbourne with fucking no talent. Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: the like when you become an Olympic gold medalist? What
Speaker 1: were the surprising things for you?
Speaker 2: I think, well, firstly, leading up, there was a change
Speaker 2: when I knew you know, I think, and this is
Speaker 2: one thing you do see with athletes, especially sort of
Speaker 2: mastery level athletes, is a realistic optimism. And so as
Speaker 2: I was getting closer, I was like, you know, of
Speaker 2: course everyone wants to win a gold medal, but when
Speaker 2: I'd think about what where I could be, it was like,
Speaker 2: I reckon, I can do well. I actually think I've
Speaker 2: got metal potential that's probably a bronze. In the year
Speaker 2: leading up, I was like, actually, I can beat all
Speaker 2: these other girls if I'm on on the day. I reckon,
Speaker 2: I can beat all these girls or I had beat them,
Speaker 2: you know, and it was like I could I can
Speaker 2: do this, And actually in that last year I was like,
Speaker 2: I know, I can win a gold medal if everything
Speaker 2: comes together on the day. So there was that that
Speaker 2: was a switch for me in mindset leading in and
Speaker 2: then afterwards. The very first feeling was just like yep,
Speaker 2: I've done it, because it was very much like this
Speaker 2: is what I'm here to do, this is what I'm
Speaker 2: going to do. And so when I did win, it
Speaker 2: was like yep, and tick that off. But then I
Speaker 2: think over the past twenty four years, really what it's
Speaker 2: meant for me is that I felt like I can
Speaker 2: do anything, no matter how hard it is, and that
Speaker 2: it's not about again coming back to that natural talent.
Speaker 2: It's just like I've just got to dig in. I've
Speaker 2: got to keep with the pro you know, turn up,
Speaker 2: show up, do the work, even do the hard things,
Speaker 2: you know, even if they're small, you know, the rehab
Speaker 2: at the consistency, the basics, you know, because that's what
Speaker 2: being an athlete is about as well. It's not always
Speaker 2: you know, it's not about being on the world stage.
Speaker 2: It's or you know, it's about turning up to training.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're injured, you turn up and you
Speaker 2: do whatever you can do, if it's on the bike
Speaker 2: or stretching or you know, it's about being part of
Speaker 2: that team and showing up. So, you know, say with
Speaker 2: the PhD, that was probably one of the hardest thing
Speaker 2: I ever done in my life, just because of all
Speaker 2: the changes that happened in my project and you know,
Speaker 2: things going wrong all the time, and so it was
Speaker 2: about that, like stay on the path, do the odd things,
Speaker 2: stick with it, do all the shit, do the rehab
Speaker 2: in a you know, essentially, So I think that's kind
Speaker 2: of a bit of that grit.
Speaker 1: I just googled. Right then, I was thinking, like part
Speaker 1: of what I was thinking is like, okay, I'm Olympic
Speaker 1: gold medalist. Now I'm going to have fame and opportunities
Speaker 1: and money and this. Like I just googled what is
Speaker 1: the how much money does someone make for losing in
Speaker 1: the first round of Wimbledon? Right, So the first round
Speaker 1: loser in Wimbledon gets one hundred and five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: So if you get it, if you get into the
Speaker 1: main draw and you lose, you get one hundred and
Speaker 1: five grand for losing. Like, think about that compared to
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you didn't get one hundred and five
Speaker 1: grand for winning an Olympic gold.
Speaker 2: No, we got about fifteen thousand, okay, and we were
Speaker 2: pretty well. I was pretty happy with that. But you know,
Speaker 2: then you look at other count Spain get some million dollars.
Speaker 2: The Iranian guy that won that year, he got an island. Well,
Speaker 2: Koreans get life pension, you know. So I but again,
Speaker 2: we weren't doing it. I mean, well, I wasn't doing
Speaker 2: it for the money, because you know, you never that's
Speaker 2: not something to bank on either.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, but it's a lot of time, effort, energy,
Speaker 1: and also when you're competing, right when we're watching you
Speaker 1: all ourselves, he's are like, oh, look at our girl
Speaker 1: go like we had something to do with it, like
Speaker 1: we were part of your journey. And then when you win,
Speaker 1: we all walk around going fucking how good are we
Speaker 1: at taekwondo? No, your shit, you've never done anything. She's
Speaker 1: fucking amazing, but you've done nothing. And then five days
Speaker 1: later people can't remember your name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: So what are the emotions that if any of flying
Speaker 1: around as we come up to another Olympics, Like, do
Speaker 1: you do you start to get more work? Do you
Speaker 1: start to get media stuff that you've got to do
Speaker 1: or does it just is it just a time for reminiscing.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely getting more work. So I mean I've always
Speaker 2: i mean I've been speaking now for twenty four years
Speaker 2: or even longer. It's just grown and developed over the years,
Speaker 2: and especially yeah, since the PhD and a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff around lifestyle and mindset, but certainly getting more work. So,
Speaker 2: I mean it's always great, and often there's with the
Speaker 2: Olympic Games, it's the same every quad. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of last minute stuff like let's have
Speaker 2: an Olympic event, or we'll have an athlete come in.
Speaker 2: And I mean, taekwondo is great because I get people
Speaker 2: moving and yelling or breaking boards or doing whatever in
Speaker 2: the session. So it's always fun and it's always relatable
Speaker 2: to the audience and skills that they can apply in
Speaker 2: everyday life. So that's been great. And yeah, whatever Olympic
Speaker 2: things that are going on, I'm always happy to be
Speaker 2: involved in because it is so nostalgic and I feel
Speaker 2: like that, you know, being part of the Olympic family.
Speaker 2: You know, it's pretty special.
Speaker 1: Can you compare doing your PhD and getting your doctorate
Speaker 1: with doing your training and getting a gold medal at
Speaker 1: the Olympics? Like, is there a comparison in terms of effort,
Speaker 1: energy sacrifice? How is one? I know they're very disparate.
Speaker 1: I know they're very different, but could you say one
Speaker 1: was harder?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The PhD was just so much harder. And I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess because I wasn't really in a lab or
Speaker 2: I didn't have a team I was. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know how much you were involved with your team,
Speaker 2: but I found it really isolating I wrote it up
Speaker 2: when I was in COVID and I had little kids
Speaker 2: at home doing remote learning and I need to be
Speaker 2: in my own space doing deep thinking, and I couldn't.
Speaker 2: My project changed all the time, and supervisors retired during
Speaker 2: and had illnesses and it was really really difficult. And
Speaker 2: I think things were hard in sport and I had
Speaker 2: a lot of injuries and setbacks there, but I always
Speaker 2: had the endorphin rush of you know, moving my body
Speaker 2: and being physically active, and especially when you're at that level,
Speaker 2: you have such a high skill level that you know
Speaker 2: it's just you hit the sweet spot of just being
Speaker 2: able to do these moves. And training was joyous even
Speaker 2: when it was hard and you get you know, I
Speaker 2: mean kicking out of things and punching things, and that's
Speaker 2: always fun. And yet yeah, because you're so good at
Speaker 2: what you're doing, there's a real kind of flow and
Speaker 2: joy that comes out of training. So I think no
Speaker 2: matter how hard it was, I always got that rush.
Speaker 2: And there was more micro goals, you know, like competents
Speaker 2: and things like that, whereas you know the milestones in
Speaker 2: I guess there was papers and chapters and things like that,
Speaker 2: but it was really arduous and I understand now when
Speaker 2: people don't finish like I used to be, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: if people can just kind of dig in and get
Speaker 2: through it. But actually it's really it is very full on.
Speaker 2: Especially most people are juggling work, family life, so whatever
Speaker 2: other things are going on in their life, and you
Speaker 2: know the journey of a PhD student, there's always highs
Speaker 2: and lows of their own life that are complementing and
Speaker 2: going along with that. So for me, it was the
Speaker 2: hardest thing I've ever done.
Speaker 1: When you stand in front of a group, say a
Speaker 1: corporate group, and I know it's not like there's one
Speaker 1: presentation or there's a set path that you take, but
Speaker 1: what's the stuff that you talk about that's kind of
Speaker 1: transferable from your sporting background that without just standing up
Speaker 1: there telling the war stories of oh, when I as
Speaker 1: an athlete, when I won a gold medal, which quite
Speaker 1: a few people do, which is understandable and it's not bad.
Speaker 1: But beyond that, beyond telling that this is my story story,
Speaker 1: what are the ideas and the concepts that you talk
Speaker 1: to individuals and teams about that help them be whatever
Speaker 1: the best team or the best group or the best
Speaker 1: version of themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's quite a few. And I've developed this
Speaker 2: what I call the Circle of Lifestyle, which really came
Speaker 2: from the PhD, is about lifestyle and mindset. And when
Speaker 2: I first looked at that topic, I was pretty overwhelmed.
Speaker 2: Like when you look at lifestyle, well, you know Mark Cohen,
Speaker 2: he's been my professor. He's like, look at lifestyle of athletes.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, that sounds good, and then I'm like, lifestyle,
Speaker 2: Like that's so broad and huge exactly, jeez man. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so sort of there's nine elements that are within that,
Speaker 2: and that's you know, like connection, breathing, movement, value, self regulation,
Speaker 2: sleep planning. So all of those elements are really relatable
Speaker 2: from an athlete perspective, all the work that I did
Speaker 2: with elite athletes through the PhD, and then that relates
Speaker 2: to the audience. So like a really simple one is mindset,
Speaker 2: so you know, getting people to think about how they
Speaker 2: can switch their mindset, how they can refocus their thoughts.
Speaker 2: I love that the element of action, like you know,
Speaker 2: how would I act if I was this person? Like,
Speaker 2: how would I act if I was a really productive student?
Speaker 2: How would I act if I was a really fun parent?
Speaker 2: Or a good friend, and so looking at that action
Speaker 2: and then doing setting out a list of what are
Speaker 2: those actions that I would do, and then actually doing
Speaker 2: those things. I think there's a lot in movement, you know,
Speaker 2: that we can when we do the action, then it
Speaker 2: sort of matches up with our mindset rather than just
Speaker 2: thinking about all the things that we should do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then things like eating techniques and you know, sleep
Speaker 2: and how it affects us and planning values based decision making. Connection.
Speaker 2: So connection was a huge part of the PhD, looking
Speaker 2: at how interpersonal relationships have a performance enhancing effect. And
Speaker 2: we just did this research with this Range Institute of
Speaker 2: Sport about what are the characteristics of gold medal winning
Speaker 2: support teams and that was really fascinating. So we coined
Speaker 2: the fray or I'd coined this phrase in my research
Speaker 2: around using the working alliance, which you'd be familiar with
Speaker 2: or the therapeutic alliance, and then you know, using the
Speaker 2: terminology the performance alliance. So borrowing from that working alliance,
Speaker 2: which is the relationship between the practitioner and the client.
Speaker 2: And so when you look at that in the case
Speaker 2: of sport, you know some health you know, allied health
Speaker 2: professionals are trained in that, So how do you build
Speaker 2: that relationship between therofessional and the client And so you know,
Speaker 2: like the physio might know that, maybe the strength and
Speaker 2: conditioning coach obviously the sports sites, but the coaches don't
Speaker 2: really get trained in that relationship building and the team
Speaker 2: manager but they're you know, equally is important. So how
Speaker 2: do we then teach or what's a framework around teaching
Speaker 2: that relationship building and things like you know, so taking
Speaker 2: from that working alliance, you know, that agreement on shared
Speaker 2: goals and having agreement on shared tasks, developing a personal bond.
Speaker 2: So I think that you know, and that's sort of
Speaker 2: coming from the self determination theory, so looking at having autonomy, competence, relationship,
Speaker 2: shared bond so and then also looking at who supports
Speaker 2: the coach out of that or who supports the support team.
Speaker 2: So I think connection and interpersonal relationships is just so
Speaker 2: powerful and there's a lot that we can do to
Speaker 2: to forge that. And you know, what we've sort of
Speaker 2: found was that quality attachment, quality relationships are performance enhancing.
Speaker 2: But if you've also got things that go unsaid or
Speaker 2: crappy relationships or that are fraught with stress, and then
Speaker 2: that can really have detrimental effects too. So encouraging people
Speaker 2: to have those difficult conversations and to you know, to
Speaker 2: strengthen relationships not always easy, but that's any In high
Speaker 2: pressure situations too, things get a bit more heated and
Speaker 2: fraud and you know, people, if you've got an athlete
Speaker 2: that's tied and run down and they're about to hit
Speaker 2: that sort of peak and everything, the pressure of everything.
Speaker 2: So yeah, having those personal connection and bond is really important.
Speaker 1: So I want to jump back to I agree, like
Speaker 1: I think having greats well, I feel like I mean, now,
Speaker 1: even when we talk about health, right, and we we
Speaker 1: talk about food and exercise and movement and sleep, but
Speaker 1: we talk about one of the biggest impactors of physical health,
Speaker 1: mental and emotional health as relationships and the way that
Speaker 1: we socialize. And let's say you tick all the boxes,
Speaker 1: great diet, great food, great sleep, all of that, but
Speaker 1: you are lonely, you are socially isolated, you don't feel loved, valued,
Speaker 1: or connected. That's going to impact your physical health and
Speaker 1: your lifespan and your health span. So yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I think we don't understand the collective we
Speaker 1: generally some people do, but I think more broadly, we
Speaker 1: don't understand what an impact on our immune system and
Speaker 1: our cellular health and everything. Being in a toxic relationship
Speaker 1: or having unresolved issues, or being constantly in a version
Speaker 1: of conflict. That shit is so and we go, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course it's bad for your mental health. But dude,
Speaker 1: it's also bad for your physical health because there's a
Speaker 1: biological consequence to that shit, right, there's a physiological repercussion
Speaker 1: of anger and anxiety and conflict, and you know, and
Speaker 1: if you're just putting your head in the sand, thinking oh,
Speaker 1: it'll work itself out, that's a bad strategy. So I'm
Speaker 1: with you, all right. I want to lean into one
Speaker 1: thing that you spoke about, mindset, right, So I think
Speaker 1: most of us would be included, would think that there
Speaker 1: are times where my mindset is not optimal. Now, I
Speaker 1: know there's no three step plan, right, but I want
Speaker 1: to I give you my thirty second theory, then I
Speaker 1: want your theory. So I feel like, you know, metacognition
Speaker 1: thinking about how we think, Like why do I think
Speaker 1: the way that I do? Why do I see the
Speaker 1: world the way that I do? Why do I frame
Speaker 1: things these ways this way? Why do I tell myself
Speaker 1: these stories. Where does that all come from? But I
Speaker 1: also think that me sitting on the couch trying to
Speaker 1: reprogram my mind doesn't work. But for me and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people, what does work, which is
Speaker 1: I think what you're alluding to is when we go
Speaker 1: and do a different thing, like now I'm doing yes,
Speaker 1: and the bypro byproduct of the doing the different thing,
Speaker 1: not sitting on the couch thinking about my thinking, but
Speaker 1: doing the different thing, then there's a shift in mindset.
Speaker 1: Is that are you on that page?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really big on that the actions of doing
Speaker 2: those things and to be have that little you know,
Speaker 2: have that big that I guess higher order look at
Speaker 2: things where you're like, well how am I? What do
Speaker 2: I want to be? If I want to be that person?
Speaker 2: Or even when we plan into the future, whether it's
Speaker 2: ten years or one week or the every end of
Speaker 2: the day, you know, it's like, well, how do I
Speaker 2: want to be if I'm this person? And we can
Speaker 2: even think about it in our relationships, like how do
Speaker 2: I want to be as a partner or a parent,
Speaker 2: or a friend, or a son or daughter or whatever
Speaker 2: it is, And then you just go, well, I want
Speaker 2: to be you know, I want to do these things,
Speaker 2: and so then you just do the things, because it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you don't feel like doing them, or
Speaker 2: it doesn't sometimes it doesn't even feel that aligned at
Speaker 2: that point. But if you just go or I feel uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to do the things. And then that
Speaker 2: creates a really big shift. And same with language, like
Speaker 2: the way that we talk to ourselves, the way that
Speaker 2: we talk to others. And I had my son actually
Speaker 2: started saying there was one word he said to me
Speaker 2: a lot, and you know, he's fifteen, and god, I
Speaker 2: loved it so much. I really learned from him. And
Speaker 2: so he said. I'd say to him, you know, can
Speaker 2: you unstack the dishwasher? And he'd say, sure, I mean
Speaker 2: that that is gold. Sure, that's all he said. You know,
Speaker 2: can you do this? You know, can you hang the
Speaker 2: washing out? Sure? That was so beautiful, like he didn't
Speaker 2: go oh, which you know often my kids roll their
Speaker 2: eyes at those sorts of chores, and I just thought,
Speaker 2: what a lovely response that is sure, And so I
Speaker 2: started using that when, you know, because I want to
Speaker 2: be that person too. And you know, when my kids say, oh,
Speaker 2: can I have a friend over you know, I get sure,
Speaker 2: and then later I can say, well, actually, how many
Speaker 2: of them? You know, like whatever's going on? But you know,
Speaker 2: it's our language, the way that we communicate, like and
Speaker 2: so thinking about those things, having thought rather than just
Speaker 2: being on auto pilot. Also, I think the way we
Speaker 2: speak to ourself. I mean I have noticed a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm always I've been thinking a lot a bit about
Speaker 2: how I talk to myself. And I'm pretty encouraging, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm always like, just do it, just go, just do that, Lozzy, go,
Speaker 2: you know you can do it. And I one more,
Speaker 2: you know, go and do the bands on your shoulder
Speaker 2: because you can't do anything else or whatever it might be.
Speaker 2: I mean, yesterday I went I didn't have my gym
Speaker 2: clothes with me. I was meant to go home. I
Speaker 2: had to be back for a sick kid, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I've got this time though. I could go to the
Speaker 2: gym now, but I don't have my gear with me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, it doesn't matter as long as
Speaker 2: you go going to jeans. So I rocked up at training.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was only doing arms. I had a
Speaker 2: single it on, but I had my jeans on on
Speaker 2: my boots, and I thought, you know what, fuck it,
Speaker 2: It's better that I come here and I do this work.
Speaker 2: So one I did the work, I felt fantastic and
Speaker 2: I'd done my workout. Did it matter that I was
Speaker 2: not in my perfect gym clothes. No, it didn't matter.
Speaker 2: But that was only my I guess me thinking about it.
Speaker 2: But you know, how do we talk to ourselves? How
Speaker 2: do we encourage ourselves the language that we use?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the I love that I
Speaker 1: love it that you did that, and love it that
Speaker 1: you went, fuck it, I'm wearing jeans. Who can?
Speaker 2: I'm like, your clothes stay in here because everyone's in there.
Speaker 1: You know, it's legging well, unless you're doing a bloody
Speaker 1: taekwondo session or something, or a skill session of But
Speaker 1: I think also that you know, just that like starting
Speaker 1: to become aware of your own programming and thinking that's
Speaker 1: to me, like, that's that's opening the door on self
Speaker 1: awareness where you start to really think about how am
Speaker 1: I and not only how am I for others and
Speaker 1: who am I for others? But am I showing up
Speaker 1: for me? Like am I empowering me? Or am I
Speaker 1: holding me back? You know? Because my monologue for a
Speaker 1: lot of my life was and periodically, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: still is. Sometimes you know you're a fraud, you're an impostor.
Speaker 1: And people wouldn't think that because I can string a
Speaker 1: few words together and I've got a podcast and I
Speaker 1: know the things that I'm good at, which there's a few,
Speaker 1: but I'm worse at more things, right, But that you know,
Speaker 1: like on a level, you're always going to have to
Speaker 1: coexist with a bit of self doubt because that's human.
Speaker 1: But then recognizing that in a dialogue, that voice that's
Speaker 1: really quite self destructive, and then trying to counteract that.
Speaker 1: You know, is that been a thing for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, and it comes back to that realistic optimism
Speaker 2: that we're talking about earlier with athletes, like you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't like I find you know, I don't
Speaker 2: there's a heat. I mean, there's more that I don't
Speaker 2: know than more that I know, no matter what I
Speaker 2: study all. You know, that's that whole thing. The more
Speaker 2: you look into something, the more you realize what you
Speaker 2: don't know. But putting yourself in situations where you go,
Speaker 2: I'm going to learn at this. You know, I'm a
Speaker 2: good learner. I can get you know that you've got
Speaker 2: to put yourself in these situations, or saying yes to
Speaker 2: the MC job and then ten minutes before going, what
Speaker 2: the hell am I doing here? I wish I'd said no.
Speaker 2: I mean, I still have that guy. You know, I've
Speaker 2: been speaking for so long, and some speaking jobs, you know,
Speaker 2: I get really nervous beforehand. Sometimes I don't get nervous,
Speaker 2: and I think, Okay, I'm never going to do this
Speaker 2: ever again. This is a last one, I think now.
Speaker 2: But now that I'm experienced too, I go, you'll be
Speaker 2: happy that you did this afterwards, You'll love it. You know,
Speaker 2: you'll be okay, it'll be over soon. And that's actually
Speaker 2: something else. I often say it'll be over soon because
Speaker 2: then you know, when I'm doing even doing weights or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it'll be over soon. But it's just
Speaker 2: keeping you engaged in that process and not being hard
Speaker 2: on yourself like I'm bad at this, I'm shit at this,
Speaker 2: I'm you know whatever. That negative, negative talking. And that's
Speaker 2: not to say that we don't feel scared, anxious, nervous.
Speaker 2: They're all natural feelings. That's normal. But I think sometimes
Speaker 2: we can shift even it's like putting music on changes
Speaker 2: our stuffing. Going for a walk, doing something physical, moving
Speaker 2: our body, our big muscles, you know, can have a
Speaker 2: huge on our mindset.
Speaker 1: Yesterday I did a gig for fern Wood. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: done a few things for fern Wood. I love them.
Speaker 1: They're great to me. They're really nice to me. And
Speaker 1: I turned up and I was mildly confident because I've
Speaker 1: been there before. I was pretty prepped, which is unusual
Speaker 1: for me. Their theme for the day was Irresistible Culture,
Speaker 1: and I hope I'm not giving away state secrets. But
Speaker 1: I actually wrote a whole presentation the night before. Very
Speaker 1: for me, that's way too organized. Anyway, I felt pretty good,
Speaker 1: felt pretty good about myself. I got there, I sat
Speaker 1: up the back of the room and do you know
Speaker 1: who Donna Aston is? Donna So Donna Aston was presenting
Speaker 1: and she had one hundred women eating out of the
Speaker 1: palm of her hand, and she was fucking killing it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, part of me is
Speaker 1: like and she was brilliant. She was great. She had
Speaker 1: everyone engaged and connected. And it's funny because that, I mean,
Speaker 1: it went fine, but just that that she was so good,
Speaker 1: I'm like Oh my god, couldn't we have someone shit
Speaker 1: up before me? Couldn't we have got somebody who's got
Speaker 1: no skill and no charisma? Would have made my job easier.
Speaker 1: But it's funny, like, I don't really get anxious, but yesterday,
Speaker 1: just for a moment and I'm sitting there, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I might just step out of the room for a
Speaker 1: while and just look at my fucking Facebook or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she did a great job.
Speaker 2: Well, and that you go, well, I'm here because I'm
Speaker 2: me like, I'm not here because I'm Donna Aston and
Speaker 2: talking to women about whatever it is she was talking.
Speaker 1: She killed, She was great, all right, So we're going
Speaker 1: to wind up. But speaking of speaking, tell us about
Speaker 1: how people I know you're doing a bit of one
Speaker 1: on one coaching. When you mentioned that to me, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: how many people get an opportunity to be coached by
Speaker 1: not only someone with a PhD, but also somebody who's
Speaker 1: an Olympic gold medalist doctor. I mean, that's fucking great.
Speaker 1: How do people do that? How do they find out
Speaker 1: more about it? And how do they maybe get you
Speaker 1: to come and speak with their team or organization?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they can just contact me through my website
Speaker 2: Lauren Burns dot com for any speaking inquiries through there,
Speaker 2: and yeah, same with coaching. So I've really taken all
Speaker 2: the work that I did as a that learned you know,
Speaker 2: so I'm a natural path nutritionist and then with all
Speaker 2: this lifestyle and mindset from the PhD and obviously the
Speaker 2: Olympic medal and sort of, I just work with people
Speaker 2: on wherever they're at, so whatever it is that they
Speaker 2: need support with, we go in that direction. I do
Speaker 2: a full health assessment first and it's amazing. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: love that work. So yeah, just contact me through the
Speaker 2: website or socials. Instagram's probably the best Lauren Burns gold
Speaker 2: and yeah, keep in touch.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question which I didn't intend
Speaker 1: to because I'm saying goodbye and we've got to going
Speaker 1: about but I'm being completely fucking selfish. Do you have
Speaker 1: a recommend Now? This is not for anyone else, so
Speaker 1: don't do this. This is Laurence not suggesting this as
Speaker 1: a prescription, but I want to know I don't have
Speaker 1: much vitamin C in my diet missus nature path.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I had a guy on what's his name, doctor
Speaker 1: Ian fucking Albright or something like that was like a
Speaker 1: thousand shows ago. He's from Brighton anyway, he recommended to
Speaker 1: me like four thousand milligrams a day of mega dosing
Speaker 1: vitamin C and I feel like, I won't explain why,
Speaker 1: but I feel like, because I have very little vitamin C,
Speaker 1: that's an issue. Can you recommend a dose for me?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I always like so. My philosophy really
Speaker 2: is around whole food. So the more that you can
Speaker 2: have it in food, it often has a synergistic effect
Speaker 2: with other things. So interest is great. You know, having
Speaker 2: lemon juice in a soururd dressing. Kackadoo plum is probably
Speaker 2: one of the highest sources. So if you can find
Speaker 2: something that has kackadoo plum in it would have one
Speaker 2: of the highest amounts of vitamin C. Would be a
Speaker 2: great way to have it. And it's really readily absorbed
Speaker 2: and having it, yeah, having it with something else, you know,
Speaker 2: having yeah, like lemon juice, having an orange something like
Speaker 2: that would be fantastic.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to do none of that, So tell
Speaker 1: me about how much to take.
Speaker 2: Well, i'd probably have to look at everything else in
Speaker 2: your diet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm money kidding.
Speaker 2: I'm just fucking with some and you some cacadar, some suggestions.
Speaker 1: That'd be good. The answer, Craig is get more vitamin
Speaker 1: C in your diet. Don't be a dickhead. Lauren will
Speaker 1: say goodbye a fair but tiff. Thank you, Lauren, Thank
Speaker 1: you always great to catch up with.
Speaker 2: You, awesome. Thank you so much for having me