1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Team Tiffany and Cooker, Lauren, Wilma, Veronica Patricia, Mary Burns, Craig, 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: Anthony Harper, Lauren. What's your middle name? Do you have one? 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: It's Sean Tell Lauren Schontell Lauren's. 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 2: Not Wilma Patricia. Well, yeah, it's very French, which I 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: guess is fitting with the Olympic Games coming up in Paris. 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: That is, I'll look at you fucking straight up with 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: a segue. Before we talk to the PhD doctor, academic 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: brainiac Olympic gold medalist, underachiever, let's talk to tiff hey. 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: On, isn't that me? 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: Isn't that me? You were just described? Nah, you're the 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: fucking superstar of the trio. How are you? 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: Very good? Thanks, very good. 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: It's just gone past midday here in Melbourne. It's Thursday, 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: the thirteenth of June. Have you had a good morning, 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: Tiffany and cook. 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: It's flown by. 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: I have a been in the gym all morning shouting 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: at people and may making them do the work and achieve. 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: Now you've got your first em scene. We won't say 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: what it's apt, but you've got your first big emcene 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: gig tomorrow Lauren, have you ever MCED an event? We 23 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: know you speak at lots of events, but have you 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: had it? All right, give you some advice because she's 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: pumping me for advice. 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: All right. 27 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: The Olympic gold medalist, what's the gold medalist got? 28 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: Well, this is advice I got from Adam Spencer, who 29 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: I actually think is one of the best mcs I've 30 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: ever known. He's just so I mean, I don't try 31 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: and be funny. I mean he's funny. But is to 32 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: read everything out loud because often you read your notes 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: and you're like, yep, I've got that, no worries, But 34 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: then when you're reading them as you're m seing, it's 35 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: quite different. So you know, pronunciation of names, reading them 36 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: out loud, and then I actually think the audience really 37 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: loves it if they can connect with you personally. So 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: if there's a story that you can weave in to 39 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: introduce yourself a little bit as who you are rather 40 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: than just the EMC, that's always great. 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: Perfect, very much. 42 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: Ma'am, Thank you very much. 43 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: That'd be one hundred dollars tip. 44 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 3: I'll let you hope know how it all goes down, Lauren, Yes, 45 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 3: I mean it goes down well, I'd love. 46 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: To hear well. And it's all those things about you know, 47 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: performing under pressure no matter what it is. But the 48 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: more that you can get yourself in a space that 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: you just can be yourself and that's often hard. So 50 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: you know, breathing is i'd say number one beforehand, and 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: then just yeah, trying to be connect with the audience 52 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: just as who you are. Now that's but I won't 53 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: find I am seeing more nerve wracking than speaking. So 54 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: I'm just giving you the advice I give myself. 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: That breathing is not to be con confused with hyper ventilator, right, 56 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: because I do. 57 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: I do like to overachieve and go all in with everything, 58 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: don't I? 59 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: You do? But I mean you're doing it. Speaking of 60 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: performing under pressure and being an MC and being professional speaker, 61 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: which you get in front of lots of audiences these days. 62 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: Is there any benefit from being an elite athlete on 63 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: the world stage and having to kind of manage emotions 64 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: and feelings and energy and then was that translatable to 65 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: what you did post sport, Lauren? 66 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think the elite sporting world there's 67 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: so much correlation with everyday life. You know, whether you're 68 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: a high school kid or you know, primary school student 69 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: or corporate ceo. That ability, that self regulation and ability 70 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: to constantly kind of reflect, re evaluate plan. You know, 71 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: there's so much detail I think that goes into you know, 72 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: high pressure events. But then to be able to kind 73 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: of especially at an Olympic Games or in the sporting arena, 74 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: is to kind of let it go and just in 75 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: the moment. And that can be quite difficult because you know, 76 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: we're always overthinking things or we're trying to be as 77 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: prepared as we possibly can. But that ability to be 78 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: in the moment, and you know, I actually found when 79 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: I was leading up to the Olympics, I used to 80 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: do a lot of strategy work, like always looking at fights, 81 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: breaking down play constantly kind of you know, looking at 82 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: the chess situation of different strategies. But then when I 83 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: started really watching competitors that I respected and watching for joy, 84 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: you know, watching for flow, watching for like enjoyment of 85 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 2: the game and like the just that pure joy and 86 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: so trying to connect into that space I think can 87 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: be you know, why you're there, why you love it, 88 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: why you enjoy what you're doing, even though it can 89 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 2: be completely nerve wracking, And the other thing I think 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: really is to you know, to understand that all of 91 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: the things that you feel, like whether it's clammy hands 92 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 2: or feeling like you're going to vomit, it doesn't mean 93 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: that you can't perform, and actually that might be you're ready. 94 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: And you know, we used to do that a lot 95 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: with the Gold Medal Ready program at the AIS is 96 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: talking to athletes about that's okay, this is my ready. 97 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: Like I might feel like I'm about to, you know, 98 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: completely just freeze or vomit. Maybe you do vomit, but 99 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 2: to go that's okay. I can still perform and not 100 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: expecting everything to be perfect, because you know, it's pretty 101 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: rare that someone says I just wrote my plan, did 102 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: everything the way I was meant to, and then just 103 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: worked out I want an Olympic gold medal. You know, 104 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: it's like there's always the stories that come out afterwards 105 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: of like this went wrong, this happened beforehand. You know, 106 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: I had this injury, I was sick, I got whatever 107 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: travel bug, and so just sort of preparing for that 108 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: it's going to things. The shit will hit the fan 109 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: and that's okay, you can still perform. 110 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: Have you ever met or worked with or coached athletes 111 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: who were say this because I've had this experience. I 112 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: met them and they had amazing genetics, amazing skill, amazing talent, 113 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: amazing potential, but they just couldn't manage their anxiety. They 114 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: couldn't make. 115 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: All they the week before. 116 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: Well, but I mean I remember, you know, like I 117 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: worked at sin Kilda for four years, and I remember 118 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: there'd be some some young dudes who would come in 119 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: and they'd test everything like skill, speed, muscular endurance, rubicondurance, 120 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, like they and and also were great at footy, 121 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 1: but all the physiological testing was off the chart and 122 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: they had great skills on both sides of their body, 123 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: and even in training pretty outstanding. And then in match 124 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: conditions sometimes just they just their anxiety and their nerves 125 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: would pretty much kill their their talent. 126 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I mean I saw that 127 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: all the time. And yeah, athletes who would be like 128 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: in that week leading up just amazing, smashing it, and 129 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 2: you think, God, they're going to kill this comp And 130 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: yet it's not always those ones that you know really 131 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 2: often come out with the outcomes that you expect. And 132 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: I think preparing for the unexpected and you know, even 133 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: I used to do a lot of visualization and mental image, 134 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: you know, rehearsal. And I mean it depends on the 135 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: sport too, and this relates to you know, other every 136 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: area in life if we can imagine these things. But 137 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: I used to imagine things going wrong and that I 138 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: could always find a way out of it. You know, 139 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: I'd be down on points, or the referee, I'd make 140 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: a bad call, or I'd get an injury in the 141 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: fight or whatever it might be. And it was like 142 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: I can always outthink, out smart outdoor and it doesn't matter. 143 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: It's not about technique or power or strength. It's just 144 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: being able to a bit of you know, it's that grit. 145 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: And in my PhD I wrote about and I guess 146 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: I borrowed this from taekwondo, but it's about cultivating that 147 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: indominable spirit. And that's that's what the mastery level athletes 148 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: have as ones that you know, some athletes have been 149 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: to bloody five Olympic Games. I don't know how they 150 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: can do it many years, you know, Olympic quads four 151 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: years at a time. It's just but it's that in 152 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: that indominable spirit that's kind of that mental toughness, that 153 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: grit that's not there with just natural talent. 154 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: What's that swimming? That is Emily Sebam the one that 155 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: just qualified for a fifth Is that her the one 156 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: that just qualified for a fifth Olympics? Or is it 157 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: someone else? 158 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 2: I didn't watch it, but that I mean, she's she's 159 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: I think, isn't she the most decorated swimmer? 160 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: Can you just check that you just qualify because she she? 161 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: I know it's it's one of the ladies. She's the 162 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: first ever swimmer. I think Andrew Gays went to five 163 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: Olympics and a few others have been. 164 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: But like a question mark, I think, yeah, yeah, but and. 165 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think I think the first female or 166 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: the first Australian swimming to go. And you think about 167 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: like the lifespan of a swimmer is not generally that long. 168 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: I mean it's a lot of chlorine, isn't it. That's 169 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: a lot of. 170 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: It's a lot of head down and looking at a 171 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: black line. I mean it takes a certain speaking of 172 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: psychology and mentality and toughness like to be able to 173 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: do that sport, which is for the most part quite lonely, 174 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: even though you might be part of a club. Yeah, 175 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: like I I don't know if i'd I admire them 176 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: for what they do, but I'm definitely not envious of 177 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: doing that actual work out. 178 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: If I haven't come up with it yet, you'll figure 179 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 3: it out. 180 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: So when you just put your hand up when you 181 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: find out. So I wanted to talk to you about 182 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: obviously we're coming up to the Olympics there a minute away. 183 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,239 Speaker 1: Does it feel like it's almost quarter of a century 184 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: since you won your gold Middle End Sydney. I was 185 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: thinking about because I was thinking about, Oh, this is 186 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: a good idea, we'll talk to you. The Olympics are 187 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: coming up, and it's been a minute since Lauren won 188 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: who medal, And then I went, oh, fuck, it's nearly 189 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: quarter of a century. It's twenty four years. Well, you're old, 190 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean, apart from everything else, you're old. 191 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: I know. I just turned fifty on the weekend too, 192 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: which is pretty awesome. And that did make me think, 193 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: oh my god, turning fifty. It's been twenty four years 194 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: since the Games. 195 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: Wow. 196 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: Yes, but sometimes it feels like it was you know, 197 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: I didn't even live that life. You know, training seven 198 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: hours a day, the amount of the grueling training in Korea, 199 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: Like we'd go to these martial arts universities and we'd 200 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: be running up hills in the minus fifteen degree snow 201 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 2: and ice, and it was just crazy. And then other times, 202 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: you know, when I catch up I mean obviously when 203 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: I speak and sort of tell my story, or when 204 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: I catch up with alumni, you know, other of teammates 205 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 2: or in Olympic Games, it kind of brings back more 206 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: of those detailed memories. Like the other day, I was 207 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: just thinking about that dining hall. Oh my god, like 208 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: you know, and they say, and I was cutting for 209 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: a weight division, so I wasn't really eating anything in 210 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: the dining hall, but you know, just those things that 211 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: it's just so the epic proportions of the Olympic Games 212 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: and athletes who you know, I see a lot of Natcook, 213 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: beach volleyball gold medalist is doing a lot at the 214 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: moment around raising money for athletes trying to get to 215 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: the Games, and that brings back a lot of memories too, 216 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: because we used to get forty two dollars a week 217 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: on the Olympic Athlete Program and so many I know, 218 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: we thought we'd hit the jackpot because we're an Olympic 219 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: sport finally, but so many athletes, you know, they they 220 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: just do it because they love it. There's a passion there. 221 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: They're not funded, you know, they don't have you know, 222 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: it's only really often the biggest sports, and even that's 223 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: the top level of those sports. But you know, it's 224 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: such a passion project, you know, funding yourself and working 225 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: towards an Olympic Games, and you know you're not doing 226 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: it to be on TV or get the accolades from 227 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: the wider community, because often as smaller sports you don't 228 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 2: even expect to be on television or get any enclosure 229 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: or any sponsorship or whatever. So it's just that and 230 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: I think that's what really the Olympic Games are meant 231 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: to be about, that pursuit of physical endeavor, where it's 232 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: the mind body here it being the best that they 233 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: can be. And yeah, you trained for four years and 234 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: you might go out and you might get a hamstring 235 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: injury and warm up and then that's the end end 236 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: of that. So there's high stakes. 237 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the sprinters who trained for their 238 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: one hundred meter event for four years and get who 239 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: break twice, you know, and get dq God, yeah, you imagine, imagine, 240 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: especially if you're number one, two or three, which has 241 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: happened just quickly, Tiff, what did you find for us? 242 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 2: Emily sebam sebomb? 243 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: Is that Emily s bomb? Yeah? 244 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 245 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: Perfect? So can I just ask what? I know we're 246 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: not meant to talk about people's weights, but I think 247 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: it's quite pertinent when you have to make a weight 248 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: for a sport. I feel like, was were you forty 249 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: eight or fifty two or some nine, and so you 250 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: had to get to forty nine. You know, I didn't 251 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: intend to talk about this, but I wanted to talk 252 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: about fucking weight cutting for sports is such a fucking stupid, 253 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: unhealthy practice, so bad for the body. Potentially, it depends. 254 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're walking around weight is fifty one 255 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: not a big deal, right, But I mean, like I've 256 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: worked with boxes, mixed martial artists, rowers, even a few jockeys, 257 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: and some of the shit that they have to do 258 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: to make a weight is and you think about what 259 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: is going on with your body. I mean when you 260 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: are really dehydrated, which a lot of people are very 261 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: dehydrated when they stand on the scales like that, you 262 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: know your bloodsticker increased viscosity, less blood volume, greater risk 263 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: of heart attack, stroke, and let's be honest, death, your 264 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: brain doesn't work because you know, your brain's ninety per 265 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: cent water, and your cognitive function plummets, and it's so 266 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: unhealthy to meet this kpi. What was your walking around weight? 267 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: Generally, my walking around weight was fifty five. My training 268 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: weight was fifty three, like a kind of lean training 269 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: weight was fifty three. I always fought in the under 270 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: fifty one kilo class, so that was there's normally eight 271 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: weight divisions in taekwondo, and that's like world championship weight division, 272 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: so I'd always cut into that fifty one, and that 273 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: was tricky, but it was pretty safe. Forty nine they 274 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: changed all their divisions for the Olympics, so instead of 275 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: having eight, they only had four. So then they were 276 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: big gaps, ten kilo gaps. I either had to go 277 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: under forty nine or under fifty seven. And so the 278 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: fifty seven kilo girls that you know, they're dropping in 279 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: from sixty two sixty five, it's a totally different game. 280 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: So it took me a while to decide, and I mean, 281 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: I probably always thought I'd do forty nine, but I 282 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: did like dexa scan. We you know, went through the diet, 283 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: had dietitians. I was in at the vis. We did 284 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: everything right, and they said it's pretty much you know, 285 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: bone density. They said, it's unsafe for you to ever 286 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: sit at forty nine, so let's just get you down 287 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: as close as we can and just hit it on 288 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: the day because normally they'd want me sitting there. So 289 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: I did it. It was actually really tricky, and it's 290 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: something that I'm quite passionate about because I had done 291 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: that running it off in the past, put the sweats on, 292 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: you know, like in the sauna, skipping and jogging and 293 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: all that stupid shit. And I just had found that 294 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: and there's a real culture around it around you know, 295 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: dropping weight, and it's like you've got to do it 296 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: in that way otherwise you're not tough enough for something stupid. 297 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: So I didn't find that if I if I'd cutweight 298 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: running or skipping or saunering or dehydrated, I didn't have 299 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: the reaction time. I didn't have the decision making. You know, 300 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: I might get through one or two fights, but if 301 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: I made it to the final, I didn't have that 302 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: ability to adapt when you know something had happened and 303 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: I'd need to think more strategically, and there's nothing there. 304 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: So for the Olympics, I decided that I'd do it 305 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: really well, really safely. I would not sweat it off 306 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: at all, like zero sweating. So I increased my walking. 307 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: That was probably the biggest thing, like just and because 308 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: I couldn't run anymore because the aerobic sessions were so big. 309 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: The load it was so big anyway, with the running 310 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: and jumping and you know that we do in taekwondo kicking. 311 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: So I just had to do it really really slowly. 312 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: Took about three months, and then also to make sure 313 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: that I was had strength, had power, had all that clarity. 314 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: So it was really very difficult. And especially my roommate Lisa, 315 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: she was putting on weight, so she was like, oh 316 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: my god, I can't eat anymore. She's going to the 317 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: dining hole just like eating as much as she could. 318 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: But it's a good point and because I think, yeah, 319 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 2: there's this real culture around it, and there's been there's 320 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: been a few deaths actually, so in I know in taekwondo, 321 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: in Mma, I think there was a young girl who 322 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 2: died not that long maybe a year or two ago, 323 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: So I think they're starting to put in some parameters around, 324 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: you know, weighing after and things like that, so that 325 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: you're not just trying to get down then refuel. 326 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: So when did you, Lauren, when did you weigh in? 327 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 1: Like what day and what time of day did you 328 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: weigh in compared to when you can in other words, 329 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: what was the time gap between way in and stepping? 330 00:17:58,800 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: You know, on the map. 331 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: It's probably four hours, four or five hours. 332 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: Normally it's not that's not long at all. 333 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, normally it's earlier. So normally you weigh in about 334 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 2: seven o'clock in the morning, and I'd probably usually fight 335 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 2: around nine, but I had to buy, so I probably 336 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: fought around eleven first fight. So yeah, you don't have 337 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: long And also you can't just suddenly drink a litle 338 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: of water or have a big bowl of pasta. You 339 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: just be z like after Christmas lunch and you can't move. 340 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: So it's just that, you know, re hydrating slowly, sipping 341 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: on things, little bites of food. But yeah, I did 342 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: do it very well, and I actually felt, you know, 343 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: I felt the strongest I'd ever felt in my life, 344 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: even though I was forty nine killers and in the 345 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: lightest weight division. I felt pretty strong that day. 346 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: It's amazing because when you think these things are kind 347 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: of like almost counterintuitive because you've got to drop weight, 348 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: but also you want to be strong and powerful and fast, 349 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: and you want your brain to be working optimally. So 350 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, based on what you said, the 351 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: way to do that most effectively is over a much 352 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: longer time frame than trying to dump water in the 353 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: last few days or something. 354 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I mean I didn't have much the day before, 355 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 2: but I was still able to drink a little bit. 356 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: I wasn't much, but at that point, I'm really sort 357 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: of you know, crafting that final final bit. And then 358 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: even with all of the weight training and everything that 359 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: I was doing, like I had a great strength coach 360 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: and you know, he helped me with all of that, 361 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: and I was stripping a lot off my upper body. 362 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 2: You know. So my legs were well, I thought they 363 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: were giant forty nine kilos, but you know they were 364 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 2: so strong and so explosive and so powerful and it 365 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: was really all you know, legs driven and core and 366 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: I was pretty pretty lean across my upper body. 367 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. And so the most important question is not 368 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: about the gold medals. What the fuck did you eat after? 369 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I mean I so pasta mainly I love pasta. 370 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: But afterwards all I wanted was pizza and beer, and 371 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: I was obsessed. You know. My friends were like, oh, 372 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: we'll meet you afterwards. And then I had like Royan 373 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: HD the dream and media and all this stuff, and 374 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 2: they're like, well, come back to our place. There was 375 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: a friend was living in Sydney. We'll get you pizza 376 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 2: and beer. But when I got there, you know, I 377 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: could only have one piece of pizza, and I didn't 378 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 2: really feel like the alcohol. And I've had a lot 379 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: of bruises. All the bruising was coming out because you know, 380 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: it's a full contact martial art, so I've got bruises 381 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: all over my arms and my legs and I had 382 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: a massive kick to the groin that was pretty bad. 383 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: So I didn't really want to drink anyway after that. 384 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: But it was lovely. The thought was there that I 385 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: could then have everything I wanted, but I just didn't. 386 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: Went back and had some steamed broccoli the next day, 387 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: which is what I was used to eating. 388 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: When you grow when you grown up and you were 389 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: in the sport and I think your mum and dad 390 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: had an academy, right or no? 391 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 2: No, but mum was a professional dancer, so I guess. 392 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: Right it was whom I thinking of someone. Sorry apologies 393 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: but anyway, So you're growing up, you're in the sport, 394 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: you're competing, and you're thinking about down the track, maybe 395 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: the Olympics. So you've got this idea of being an 396 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: Olympian and ultimately an idea of being an Olympic gold medalist. 397 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: What was the difference between or the space between the idea, 398 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: the dream, the vision, the hope and the reality, Like, 399 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: now I am an Olympic gold medalist, how is it different? 400 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: Either better or worse? 401 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: As in, how was it afterwards? 402 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: Like, Okay, now you're an Olympic gold medalist. Like people 403 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: like I have an idea in my mind of what 404 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: being an Olympic gold medalist would be, but how the 405 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: fuck do I know? I'm just a fucking sixty year 406 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: old in Bayside, Melbourne with fucking no talent. Yeah, what's 407 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: the like when you become an Olympic gold medalist? What 408 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: were the surprising things for you? 409 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: I think, well, firstly, leading up, there was a change 410 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: when I knew you know, I think, and this is 411 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 2: one thing you do see with athletes, especially sort of 412 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: mastery level athletes, is a realistic optimism. And so as 413 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 2: I was getting closer, I was like, you know, of 414 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: course everyone wants to win a gold medal, but when 415 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: I'd think about what where I could be, it was like, 416 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: I reckon, I can do well. I actually think I've 417 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: got metal potential that's probably a bronze. In the year 418 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: leading up, I was like, actually, I can beat all 419 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 2: these other girls if I'm on on the day. I reckon, 420 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: I can beat all these girls or I had beat them, 421 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: you know, and it was like I could I can 422 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: do this, And actually in that last year I was like, 423 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 2: I know, I can win a gold medal if everything 424 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: comes together on the day. So there was that that 425 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 2: was a switch for me in mindset leading in and 426 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: then afterwards. The very first feeling was just like yep, 427 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 2: I've done it, because it was very much like this 428 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: is what I'm here to do, this is what I'm 429 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: going to do. And so when I did win, it 430 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 2: was like yep, and tick that off. But then I 431 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: think over the past twenty four years, really what it's 432 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: meant for me is that I felt like I can 433 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: do anything, no matter how hard it is, and that 434 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: it's not about again coming back to that natural talent. 435 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: It's just like I've just got to dig in. I've 436 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 2: got to keep with the pro you know, turn up, 437 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: show up, do the work, even do the hard things, 438 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: you know, even if they're small, you know, the rehab 439 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: at the consistency, the basics, you know, because that's what 440 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: being an athlete is about as well. It's not always 441 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 2: you know, it's not about being on the world stage. 442 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: It's or you know, it's about turning up to training. 443 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 2: You know, when you're injured, you turn up and you 444 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: do whatever you can do, if it's on the bike 445 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: or stretching or you know, it's about being part of 446 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: that team and showing up. So, you know, say with 447 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: the PhD, that was probably one of the hardest thing 448 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,239 Speaker 2: I ever done in my life, just because of all 449 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: the changes that happened in my project and you know, 450 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: things going wrong all the time, and so it was 451 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 2: about that, like stay on the path, do the odd things, 452 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: stick with it, do all the shit, do the rehab 453 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: in a you know, essentially, So I think that's kind 454 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: of a bit of that grit. 455 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: I just googled. Right then, I was thinking, like part 456 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: of what I was thinking is like, okay, I'm Olympic 457 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: gold medalist. Now I'm going to have fame and opportunities 458 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: and money and this. Like I just googled what is 459 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: the how much money does someone make for losing in 460 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: the first round of Wimbledon? Right, So the first round 461 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: loser in Wimbledon gets one hundred and five thousand dollars. 462 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: So if you get it, if you get into the 463 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: main draw and you lose, you get one hundred and 464 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: five grand for losing. Like, think about that compared to 465 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you didn't get one hundred and five 466 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: grand for winning an Olympic gold. 467 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: No, we got about fifteen thousand, okay, and we were 468 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: pretty well. I was pretty happy with that. But you know, 469 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 2: then you look at other count Spain get some million dollars. 470 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 2: The Iranian guy that won that year, he got an island. Well, 471 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: Koreans get life pension, you know. So I but again, 472 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: we weren't doing it. I mean, well, I wasn't doing 473 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: it for the money, because you know, you never that's 474 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: not something to bank on either. 475 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: No, no, no, but it's a lot of time, effort, energy, 476 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: and also when you're competing, right when we're watching you 477 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: all ourselves, he's are like, oh, look at our girl 478 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: go like we had something to do with it, like 479 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: we were part of your journey. And then when you win, 480 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: we all walk around going fucking how good are we 481 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: at taekwondo? No, your shit, you've never done anything. She's 482 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: fucking amazing, but you've done nothing. And then five days 483 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: later people can't remember your name. 484 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, you know. 485 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: So what are the emotions that if any of flying 486 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: around as we come up to another Olympics, Like, do 487 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: you do you start to get more work? Do you 488 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: start to get media stuff that you've got to do 489 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: or does it just is it just a time for reminiscing. 490 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: Oh, definitely getting more work. So I mean I've always 491 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: i mean I've been speaking now for twenty four years 492 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 2: or even longer. It's just grown and developed over the years, 493 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: and especially yeah, since the PhD and a lot of 494 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: stuff around lifestyle and mindset, but certainly getting more work. So, 495 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: I mean it's always great, and often there's with the 496 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: Olympic Games, it's the same every quad. It's like, you know, 497 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 2: there's a lot of last minute stuff like let's have 498 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: an Olympic event, or we'll have an athlete come in. 499 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: And I mean, taekwondo is great because I get people 500 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: moving and yelling or breaking boards or doing whatever in 501 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: the session. So it's always fun and it's always relatable 502 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: to the audience and skills that they can apply in 503 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: everyday life. So that's been great. And yeah, whatever Olympic 504 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: things that are going on, I'm always happy to be 505 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: involved in because it is so nostalgic and I feel 506 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: like that, you know, being part of the Olympic family. 507 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's pretty special. 508 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: Can you compare doing your PhD and getting your doctorate 509 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: with doing your training and getting a gold medal at 510 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: the Olympics? Like, is there a comparison in terms of effort, 511 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: energy sacrifice? How is one? I know they're very disparate. 512 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: I know they're very different, but could you say one 513 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: was harder? 514 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? The PhD was just so much harder. And I mean, 515 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: I guess because I wasn't really in a lab or 516 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: I didn't have a team I was. I mean, I 517 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: don't know how much you were involved with your team, 518 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: but I found it really isolating I wrote it up 519 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: when I was in COVID and I had little kids 520 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: at home doing remote learning and I need to be 521 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: in my own space doing deep thinking, and I couldn't. 522 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: My project changed all the time, and supervisors retired during 523 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: and had illnesses and it was really really difficult. And 524 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: I think things were hard in sport and I had 525 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: a lot of injuries and setbacks there, but I always 526 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: had the endorphin rush of you know, moving my body 527 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: and being physically active, and especially when you're at that level, 528 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: you have such a high skill level that you know 529 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: it's just you hit the sweet spot of just being 530 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: able to do these moves. And training was joyous even 531 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: when it was hard and you get you know, I 532 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: mean kicking out of things and punching things, and that's 533 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: always fun. And yet yeah, because you're so good at 534 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: what you're doing, there's a real kind of flow and 535 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: joy that comes out of training. So I think no 536 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: matter how hard it was, I always got that rush. 537 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: And there was more micro goals, you know, like competents 538 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 2: and things like that, whereas you know the milestones in 539 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: I guess there was papers and chapters and things like that, 540 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: but it was really arduous and I understand now when 541 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: people don't finish like I used to be, Like, you know, 542 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: if people can just kind of dig in and get 543 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: through it. But actually it's really it is very full on. 544 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: Especially most people are juggling work, family life, so whatever 545 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 2: other things are going on in their life, and you 546 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: know the journey of a PhD student, there's always highs 547 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: and lows of their own life that are complementing and 548 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: going along with that. So for me, it was the 549 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: hardest thing I've ever done. 550 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: When you stand in front of a group, say a 551 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: corporate group, and I know it's not like there's one 552 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: presentation or there's a set path that you take, but 553 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: what's the stuff that you talk about that's kind of 554 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: transferable from your sporting background that without just standing up 555 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: there telling the war stories of oh, when I as 556 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: an athlete, when I won a gold medal, which quite 557 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: a few people do, which is understandable and it's not bad. 558 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: But beyond that, beyond telling that this is my story story, 559 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: what are the ideas and the concepts that you talk 560 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: to individuals and teams about that help them be whatever 561 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: the best team or the best group or the best 562 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: version of themselves. 563 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's quite a few. And I've developed this 564 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: what I call the Circle of Lifestyle, which really came 565 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: from the PhD, is about lifestyle and mindset. And when 566 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: I first looked at that topic, I was pretty overwhelmed. 567 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: Like when you look at lifestyle, well, you know Mark Cohen, 568 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: he's been my professor. He's like, look at lifestyle of athletes. 569 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, that sounds good, and then I'm like, lifestyle, 570 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: Like that's so broad and huge exactly, jeez man. But yeah, 571 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: so sort of there's nine elements that are within that, 572 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: and that's you know, like connection, breathing, movement, value, self regulation, 573 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: sleep planning. So all of those elements are really relatable 574 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,239 Speaker 2: from an athlete perspective, all the work that I did 575 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: with elite athletes through the PhD, and then that relates 576 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: to the audience. So like a really simple one is mindset, 577 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: so you know, getting people to think about how they 578 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: can switch their mindset, how they can refocus their thoughts. 579 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: I love that the element of action, like you know, 580 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: how would I act if I was this person? Like, 581 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 2: how would I act if I was a really productive student? 582 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: How would I act if I was a really fun parent? 583 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: Or a good friend, and so looking at that action 584 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: and then doing setting out a list of what are 585 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: those actions that I would do, and then actually doing 586 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 2: those things. I think there's a lot in movement, you know, 587 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: that we can when we do the action, then it 588 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: sort of matches up with our mindset rather than just 589 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 2: thinking about all the things that we should do. Yeah, 590 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: and then things like eating techniques and you know, sleep 591 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 2: and how it affects us and planning values based decision making. Connection. 592 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: So connection was a huge part of the PhD, looking 593 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: at how interpersonal relationships have a performance enhancing effect. And 594 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: we just did this research with this Range Institute of 595 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 2: Sport about what are the characteristics of gold medal winning 596 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: support teams and that was really fascinating. So we coined 597 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: the fray or I'd coined this phrase in my research 598 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 2: around using the working alliance, which you'd be familiar with 599 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: or the therapeutic alliance, and then you know, using the 600 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: terminology the performance alliance. So borrowing from that working alliance, 601 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: which is the relationship between the practitioner and the client. 602 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: And so when you look at that in the case 603 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: of sport, you know some health you know, allied health 604 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: professionals are trained in that, So how do you build 605 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: that relationship between therofessional and the client And so you know, 606 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: like the physio might know that, maybe the strength and 607 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: conditioning coach obviously the sports sites, but the coaches don't 608 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: really get trained in that relationship building and the team 609 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 2: manager but they're you know, equally is important. So how 610 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: do we then teach or what's a framework around teaching 611 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: that relationship building and things like you know, so taking 612 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: from that working alliance, you know, that agreement on shared 613 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: goals and having agreement on shared tasks, developing a personal bond. 614 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: So I think that you know, and that's sort of 615 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 2: coming from the self determination theory, so looking at having autonomy, competence, relationship, 616 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: shared bond so and then also looking at who supports 617 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: the coach out of that or who supports the support team. 618 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: So I think connection and interpersonal relationships is just so 619 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: powerful and there's a lot that we can do to 620 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: to forge that. And you know, what we've sort of 621 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: found was that quality attachment, quality relationships are performance enhancing. 622 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: But if you've also got things that go unsaid or 623 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 2: crappy relationships or that are fraught with stress, and then 624 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: that can really have detrimental effects too. So encouraging people 625 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 2: to have those difficult conversations and to you know, to 626 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: strengthen relationships not always easy, but that's any In high 627 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 2: pressure situations too, things get a bit more heated and 628 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 2: fraud and you know, people, if you've got an athlete 629 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 2: that's tied and run down and they're about to hit 630 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: that sort of peak and everything, the pressure of everything. 631 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, having those personal connection and bond is really important. 632 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: So I want to jump back to I agree, like 633 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: I think having greats well, I feel like I mean, now, 634 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: even when we talk about health, right, and we we 635 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: talk about food and exercise and movement and sleep, but 636 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: we talk about one of the biggest impactors of physical health, 637 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: mental and emotional health as relationships and the way that 638 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: we socialize. And let's say you tick all the boxes, 639 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: great diet, great food, great sleep, all of that, but 640 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: you are lonely, you are socially isolated, you don't feel loved, valued, 641 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: or connected. That's going to impact your physical health and 642 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: your lifespan and your health span. So yeah, I agree 643 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: with you. I think we don't understand the collective we 644 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: generally some people do, but I think more broadly, we 645 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: don't understand what an impact on our immune system and 646 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: our cellular health and everything. Being in a toxic relationship 647 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: or having unresolved issues, or being constantly in a version 648 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: of conflict. That shit is so and we go, yeah, 649 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: of course it's bad for your mental health. But dude, 650 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: it's also bad for your physical health because there's a 651 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: biological consequence to that shit, right, there's a physiological repercussion 652 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: of anger and anxiety and conflict, and you know, and 653 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: if you're just putting your head in the sand, thinking oh, 654 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: it'll work itself out, that's a bad strategy. So I'm 655 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: with you, all right. I want to lean into one 656 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: thing that you spoke about, mindset, right, So I think 657 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: most of us would be included, would think that there 658 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: are times where my mindset is not optimal. Now, I 659 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: know there's no three step plan, right, but I want 660 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: to I give you my thirty second theory, then I 661 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: want your theory. So I feel like, you know, metacognition 662 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: thinking about how we think, Like why do I think 663 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: the way that I do? Why do I see the 664 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: world the way that I do? Why do I frame 665 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: things these ways this way? Why do I tell myself 666 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: these stories. Where does that all come from? But I 667 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: also think that me sitting on the couch trying to 668 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: reprogram my mind doesn't work. But for me and I 669 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: think a lot of people, what does work, which is 670 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: I think what you're alluding to is when we go 671 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: and do a different thing, like now I'm doing yes, 672 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: and the bypro byproduct of the doing the different thing, 673 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: not sitting on the couch thinking about my thinking, but 674 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: doing the different thing, then there's a shift in mindset. 675 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: Is that are you on that page? 676 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really big on that the actions of doing 677 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 2: those things and to be have that little you know, 678 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 2: have that big that I guess higher order look at 679 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 2: things where you're like, well how am I? What do 680 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 2: I want to be? If I want to be that person? 681 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 2: Or even when we plan into the future, whether it's 682 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 2: ten years or one week or the every end of 683 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 2: the day, you know, it's like, well, how do I 684 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 2: want to be if I'm this person? And we can 685 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: even think about it in our relationships, like how do 686 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: I want to be as a partner or a parent, 687 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 2: or a friend, or a son or daughter or whatever 688 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 2: it is, And then you just go, well, I want 689 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 2: to be you know, I want to do these things, 690 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 2: and so then you just do the things, because it 691 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you don't feel like doing them, or 692 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 2: it doesn't sometimes it doesn't even feel that aligned at 693 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 2: that point. But if you just go or I feel uncomfortable, 694 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 2: I'm just going to do the things. And then that 695 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 2: creates a really big shift. And same with language, like 696 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 2: the way that we talk to ourselves, the way that 697 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 2: we talk to others. And I had my son actually 698 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 2: started saying there was one word he said to me 699 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 2: a lot, and you know, he's fifteen, and god, I 700 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 2: loved it so much. I really learned from him. And 701 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 2: so he said. I'd say to him, you know, can 702 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 2: you unstack the dishwasher? And he'd say, sure, I mean 703 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 2: that that is gold. Sure, that's all he said. You know, 704 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 2: can you do this? You know, can you hang the 705 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,760 Speaker 2: washing out? Sure? That was so beautiful, like he didn't 706 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 2: go oh, which you know often my kids roll their 707 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: eyes at those sorts of chores, and I just thought, 708 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 2: what a lovely response that is sure, And so I 709 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 2: started using that when, you know, because I want to 710 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: be that person too. And you know, when my kids say, oh, 711 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 2: can I have a friend over you know, I get sure, 712 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 2: and then later I can say, well, actually, how many 713 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 2: of them? You know, like whatever's going on? But you know, 714 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: it's our language, the way that we communicate, like and 715 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 2: so thinking about those things, having thought rather than just 716 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 2: being on auto pilot. Also, I think the way we 717 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 2: speak to ourself. I mean I have noticed a lot. 718 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 2: I'm always I've been thinking a lot a bit about 719 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 2: how I talk to myself. And I'm pretty encouraging, you know, 720 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 2: I'm always like, just do it, just go, just do that, Lozzy, go, 721 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 2: you know you can do it. And I one more, 722 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 2: you know, go and do the bands on your shoulder 723 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 2: because you can't do anything else or whatever it might be. 724 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 2: I mean, yesterday I went I didn't have my gym 725 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: clothes with me. I was meant to go home. I 726 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 2: had to be back for a sick kid, and I'm like, 727 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 2: I've got this time though. I could go to the 728 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 2: gym now, but I don't have my gear with me, 729 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 2: and I was like, it doesn't matter as long as 730 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 2: you go going to jeans. So I rocked up at training. 731 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 2: I mean, I was only doing arms. I had a 732 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 2: single it on, but I had my jeans on on 733 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 2: my boots, and I thought, you know what, fuck it, 734 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 2: It's better that I come here and I do this work. 735 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 2: So one I did the work, I felt fantastic and 736 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 2: I'd done my workout. Did it matter that I was 737 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: not in my perfect gym clothes. No, it didn't matter. 738 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 2: But that was only my I guess me thinking about it. 739 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 2: But you know, how do we talk to ourselves? How 740 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 2: do we encourage ourselves the language that we use? 741 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the I love that I 742 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: love it that you did that, and love it that 743 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: you went, fuck it, I'm wearing jeans. Who can? 744 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 2: I'm like, your clothes stay in here because everyone's in there. 745 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's legging well, unless you're doing a bloody 746 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: taekwondo session or something, or a skill session of But 747 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 1: I think also that you know, just that like starting 748 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: to become aware of your own programming and thinking that's 749 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: to me, like, that's that's opening the door on self 750 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: awareness where you start to really think about how am 751 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: I and not only how am I for others and 752 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: who am I for others? But am I showing up 753 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: for me? Like am I empowering me? Or am I 754 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: holding me back? You know? Because my monologue for a 755 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: lot of my life was and periodically, if I'm being honest, 756 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: still is. Sometimes you know you're a fraud, you're an impostor. 757 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: And people wouldn't think that because I can string a 758 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: few words together and I've got a podcast and I 759 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,479 Speaker 1: know the things that I'm good at, which there's a few, 760 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: but I'm worse at more things, right, But that you know, 761 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: like on a level, you're always going to have to 762 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: coexist with a bit of self doubt because that's human. 763 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,879 Speaker 1: But then recognizing that in a dialogue, that voice that's 764 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: really quite self destructive, and then trying to counteract that. 765 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: You know, is that been a thing for you? 766 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, and it comes back to that realistic optimism 767 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 2: that we're talking about earlier with athletes, like you know, 768 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 2: if you don't like I find you know, I don't 769 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 2: there's a heat. I mean, there's more that I don't 770 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 2: know than more that I know, no matter what I 771 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 2: study all. You know, that's that whole thing. The more 772 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 2: you look into something, the more you realize what you 773 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 2: don't know. But putting yourself in situations where you go, 774 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 2: I'm going to learn at this. You know, I'm a 775 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 2: good learner. I can get you know that you've got 776 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 2: to put yourself in these situations, or saying yes to 777 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 2: the MC job and then ten minutes before going, what 778 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 2: the hell am I doing here? I wish I'd said no. 779 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I still have that guy. You know, I've 780 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 2: been speaking for so long, and some speaking jobs, you know, 781 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 2: I get really nervous beforehand. Sometimes I don't get nervous, 782 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 2: and I think, Okay, I'm never going to do this 783 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 2: ever again. This is a last one, I think now. 784 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 2: But now that I'm experienced too, I go, you'll be 785 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 2: happy that you did this afterwards, You'll love it. You know, 786 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 2: you'll be okay, it'll be over soon. And that's actually 787 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,479 Speaker 2: something else. I often say it'll be over soon because 788 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 2: then you know, when I'm doing even doing weights or whatever, 789 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 2: and I'm like, it'll be over soon. But it's just 790 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 2: keeping you engaged in that process and not being hard 791 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 2: on yourself like I'm bad at this, I'm shit at this, 792 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 2: I'm you know whatever. That negative, negative talking. And that's 793 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 2: not to say that we don't feel scared, anxious, nervous. 794 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,840 Speaker 2: They're all natural feelings. That's normal. But I think sometimes 795 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 2: we can shift even it's like putting music on changes 796 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 2: our stuffing. Going for a walk, doing something physical, moving 797 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 2: our body, our big muscles, you know, can have a 798 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 2: huge on our mindset. 799 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 1: Yesterday I did a gig for fern Wood. Yeah, I've 800 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: done a few things for fern Wood. I love them. 801 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: They're great to me. They're really nice to me. And 802 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: I turned up and I was mildly confident because I've 803 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: been there before. I was pretty prepped, which is unusual 804 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: for me. Their theme for the day was Irresistible Culture, 805 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: and I hope I'm not giving away state secrets. But 806 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: I actually wrote a whole presentation the night before. Very 807 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: for me, that's way too organized. Anyway, I felt pretty good, 808 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: felt pretty good about myself. I got there, I sat 809 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: up the back of the room and do you know 810 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: who Donna Aston is? Donna So Donna Aston was presenting 811 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: and she had one hundred women eating out of the 812 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: palm of her hand, and she was fucking killing it. 813 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, part of me is 814 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: like and she was brilliant. She was great. She had 815 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: everyone engaged and connected. And it's funny because that, I mean, 816 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: it went fine, but just that that she was so good, 817 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm like Oh my god, couldn't we have someone shit 818 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 1: up before me? Couldn't we have got somebody who's got 819 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: no skill and no charisma? Would have made my job easier. 820 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,240 Speaker 1: But it's funny, like, I don't really get anxious, but yesterday, 821 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: just for a moment and I'm sitting there, I'm like, 822 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 1: I might just step out of the room for a 823 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: while and just look at my fucking Facebook or something. Yeah, 824 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 1: but she did a great job. 825 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 2: Well, and that you go, well, I'm here because I'm 826 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 2: me like, I'm not here because I'm Donna Aston and 827 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,720 Speaker 2: talking to women about whatever it is she was talking. 828 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: She killed, She was great, all right, So we're going 829 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: to wind up. But speaking of speaking, tell us about 830 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,879 Speaker 1: how people I know you're doing a bit of one 831 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: on one coaching. When you mentioned that to me, I'm thinking, 832 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: how many people get an opportunity to be coached by 833 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: not only someone with a PhD, but also somebody who's 834 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: an Olympic gold medalist doctor. I mean, that's fucking great. 835 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: How do people do that? How do they find out 836 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: more about it? And how do they maybe get you 837 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: to come and speak with their team or organization? 838 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they can just contact me through my website 839 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,399 Speaker 2: Lauren Burns dot com for any speaking inquiries through there, 840 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,359 Speaker 2: and yeah, same with coaching. So I've really taken all 841 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 2: the work that I did as a that learned you know, 842 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 2: so I'm a natural path nutritionist and then with all 843 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 2: this lifestyle and mindset from the PhD and obviously the 844 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 2: Olympic medal and sort of, I just work with people 845 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 2: on wherever they're at, so whatever it is that they 846 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 2: need support with, we go in that direction. I do 847 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 2: a full health assessment first and it's amazing. Yeah, I 848 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 2: love that work. So yeah, just contact me through the 849 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,760 Speaker 2: website or socials. Instagram's probably the best Lauren Burns gold 850 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 2: and yeah, keep in touch. 851 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question which I didn't intend 852 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: to because I'm saying goodbye and we've got to going 853 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: about but I'm being completely fucking selfish. Do you have 854 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: a recommend Now? This is not for anyone else, so 855 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: don't do this. This is Laurence not suggesting this as 856 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 1: a prescription, but I want to know I don't have 857 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 1: much vitamin C in my diet missus nature path. 858 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 2: Yep. 859 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 1: And I had a guy on what's his name, doctor 860 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: Ian fucking Albright or something like that was like a 861 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: thousand shows ago. He's from Brighton anyway, he recommended to 862 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: me like four thousand milligrams a day of mega dosing 863 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: vitamin C and I feel like, I won't explain why, 864 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: but I feel like, because I have very little vitamin C, 865 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: that's an issue. Can you recommend a dose for me? 866 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I always like so. My philosophy really 867 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 2: is around whole food. So the more that you can 868 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 2: have it in food, it often has a synergistic effect 869 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 2: with other things. So interest is great. You know, having 870 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,760 Speaker 2: lemon juice in a soururd dressing. Kackadoo plum is probably 871 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 2: one of the highest sources. So if you can find 872 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 2: something that has kackadoo plum in it would have one 873 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 2: of the highest amounts of vitamin C. Would be a 874 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 2: great way to have it. And it's really readily absorbed 875 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 2: and having it, yeah, having it with something else, you know, 876 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 2: having yeah, like lemon juice, having an orange something like 877 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 2: that would be fantastic. 878 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to do none of that, So tell 879 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: me about how much to take. 880 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 2: Well, i'd probably have to look at everything else in 881 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:55,839 Speaker 2: your diet. 882 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm money kidding. 883 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 2: I'm just fucking with some and you some cacadar, some suggestions. 884 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: That'd be good. The answer, Craig is get more vitamin 885 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 1: C in your diet. Don't be a dickhead. Lauren will 886 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 1: say goodbye a fair but tiff. Thank you, Lauren, Thank 887 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 1: you always great to catch up with. 888 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 2: You, awesome. Thank you so much for having me