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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front.

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Speaker 2: I'm Christianamian. It's Wednesday, October eighth, twenty twenty five. Sex

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Speaker 2: offenders who produce and share child abuse material should be

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Speaker 2: jailed for at least five years, according to the Federal Opposition.

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Speaker 2: It called for an expansion of the sentencing regime in

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Speaker 2: a letter to Attorney General Michelle Rowland after The Australian

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Speaker 2: revealed a transgender parent who abused their five year old

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Speaker 2: daughter on at least nineteen occasions was sentenced to four

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Speaker 2: years and nine months in prison.

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Speaker 1: That exclusive story.

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Speaker 2: Is live right now at The Australian dot com dot

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Speaker 2: a U as Jewish people in Israel and around the

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Speaker 2: globe gathered to commemorate the second anniversary of the atrocities

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Speaker 2: committed by Hamas militants on October seven. In twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian extremists celebrated a demonstration in Sydney's West attracted hundreds,

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Speaker 2: while pro Harmusk graffiti scarred buildings across Melbourne. Today, Chief

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Speaker 2: International Correspondent Cameron Stewart joins ME Western Sydney October seven,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, two years on from the deadliest single

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Speaker 2: day attack on Jews since the Holocaust. Hundreds gathered to

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Speaker 2: praise what they call the Palestinian resistance.

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Speaker 3: Remember that liberation is coming, that will receive our justice,

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Speaker 3: and that victory has around them.

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Speaker 1: Corner religious leaders preach glory to the martyrs, to.

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Speaker 3: They remember our martyrs as they resist in justice and oppression.

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Speaker 3: We also recognize that our martyrs are a thorn in

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Speaker 3: the throats of scientists.

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Speaker 2: This is the scene at Paul Keating Park in Bankstown

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday night. It was pitched by organizers from the

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Speaker 2: Stand for Palestine group as a united community protest for

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Speaker 2: Gaza with the title Glory for Our Martyrs. Speakers included

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Speaker 2: Sheik Ibrahim Dadoun, who previously voiced his pride at the

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Speaker 2: atrocities perpetuated by Homas in twenty twenty three. Stand for

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Speaker 2: Palestine is linked with his Bootterier, a fundamentalist Islamic group

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Speaker 2: that exists to unite all Muslims under one Caliphate. It's

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Speaker 2: designated a terrorist organization in the United Kingdom, Germany and elsewhere,

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Speaker 2: and was active in pro Palestine protests and encampments on

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Speaker 2: Australian university campuses. The rallies organizers said they wanted to

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Speaker 2: send a message to the Australian government to end its

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Speaker 2: quote complicit in what they call a genocide by Israel

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Speaker 2: on the Palestinian people.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting that at the moment Hamas is considering Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump's twenty point piece plan, which is overwhelmingly good for

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Speaker 4: the Palestinian people in Gaza in the circumstances they now

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Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart is the Australian's chief international correspondent.

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Speaker 4: It would stop the fighting, it would allow unlimited aid

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Speaker 4: into fix the Manachectarian situation. It would create a technocratic

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Speaker 4: government that is not Israel and is not a mass

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Speaker 4: And yet it's interesting that you have these extremist groups

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Speaker 4: organizing this Israeli. Clearly they are not happy with this concept.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they want to see a perpetual conflict that

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Speaker 4: eventually eradicates the state of Israel. And it's really interesting.

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Speaker 4: I think that with this Israeli and some of the

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Speaker 4: horrific graffiti that we saw in Melbourne, there's been a

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Speaker 4: silence from the peak Islamic bodies about it, from the

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Speaker 4: Australian National Imam Council, Lebanese Muslim Association For example, two

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Speaker 4: very important Islamic organizations have not come out and condemned

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Speaker 4: the notion of the rally in Bankstown, and as far

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Speaker 4: as I'm aware, they have not condemned the anti Islamic

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Speaker 4: is a case to be made that the leadership of

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Speaker 4: the Islamic community in Australia, by its silence, is really

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Speaker 4: contributing to the fraying, if you like, of social cohesiveness.

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Speaker 4: But of course it's hugely provocative to have it actually

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Speaker 4: on October seven. It's obviously offended understandably, I think not

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Speaker 4: only the Jewish community in Australia, but a lot of

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Speaker 4: other people as well, And it's certainly a divisive and

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Speaker 4: deliberately divisive move by this group.

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Speaker 2: On Tuesday, another pro Palestine group, the Palestine Action Group,

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court. They want to march from Hyde Park in

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Speaker 2: where they'll demand the federal government sanctions Israel for what

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Speaker 2: they call two years of genocide.

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Speaker 5: For yesterday, you had a game defending our rights of

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Speaker 5: protests We're marching because Israel is committing a genocide against

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Speaker 2: The New South Wales Police say the Palestine Action Group's plan,

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Speaker 2: the New South Wales Police have lost.

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Speaker 4: Before a major pro Palestine protests march across the Sydney

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Speaker 2: The Palestine Action Group is also fighting for something else.

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Speaker 2: They're asking the court to make a positive finding of genocide.

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Speaker 2: They say the Court will need to weigh that up

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Speaker 2: shut the march down. There's potentially a separate demonstration going

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Speaker 2: ahead at the Sydney Opera House on Sunday. Cam Many

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Speaker 2: people will remember a violent demonstration that happened on the

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Speaker 2: steps of the Opera House in twenty twenty three, just

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Speaker 2: two days after the attack by Hamas and before Israel

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Speaker 2: the right to protest with the sinister undertones to some

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Speaker 2: of these demonstrations that have played out over the last

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Speaker 4: It's a great question and it really is a fundamental

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Speaker 4: debate in Australian society right now. I mean, obviously it's

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Speaker 4: hugely important to have the right to demonstrate, free speech,

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Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. Most Australians would broadly agree with

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Speaker 4: all of that. But it's interesting that I think this

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Speaker 4: is being questioned in the way it hasn't been questioned

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Speaker 4: for some time, simply because we've seen this devisive protest.

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Speaker 4: You've had counter protests as well. You've got very nasty

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Speaker 4: we've had the burning of synagogue. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 4: been a horrific two years as far as social cohesiveness goes.

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Speaker 4: I think there is a debate, and I think a

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Speaker 4: reasonable debate as to well, look, all of the freedoms

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Speaker 4: if they're being abused. And so I think what we're

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Speaker 4: seeing here is a subtle redrawing of the lines to

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Speaker 4: actually ask questions about whether some groups, especially with an

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Speaker 4: courts will determine what can and can't be done there,

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Speaker 4: but I mean the October nine protest, of course in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three is one of the ugliest demonstrations we've

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Speaker 4: They just did not make the effort they should have

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Speaker 4: prevent a repeat of that. But again, hugely provocative to

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Speaker 4: I think it will, yes, it will spark further debate

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Speaker 2: There are thousands of nice, well intentioned people who don't

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Speaker 2: to the same degree as the extremists organizing these rallies

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Speaker 2: and demonstrations in City and Melbourne. What are those people

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Speaker 4: I think that's a really good question, because I think

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Speaker 4: very much organized by the activist rump of the Propealstinian movement,

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Speaker 4: and that's the rump of activists who have been the

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Speaker 4: most anti Semitic, who have been the most violent, and

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Speaker 4: And yet there are a huge number of mums and dads,

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Speaker 4: if you like, protesters who have been out protesting every week,

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Speaker 4: the terrible civilian death toll in Gaza being critical of

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Speaker 4: And it's interesting because I think the actions of the

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Speaker 4: graffiti we've seen, absolutely is counterproductive to the overall pro

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Speaker 4: Palestinian cause in Australia. It must really frustrate and annoy

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Speaker 4: a lot of the mums and dads protesters who've gone

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Speaker 4: in Middle Australia there is a revulsion against this sort

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Speaker 1: Coming up.

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Speaker 2: Are the government and law enforcement doing enough to curb

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism in Australia. On Tuesday, Melbournians woke up to

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Speaker 2: a ghastly site pro Hamask graffiti scrawled across buildings and

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Speaker 2: billboards around the city. It said, glory to harmas and

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Speaker 2: do it again, referring to the October seven attacks where

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Speaker 2: twelve hundred Israelis were killed and two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: civilians and soldiers were taken hostage. Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs

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Speaker 2: Minister Sharon Haskell condemned the graffiti attack in a post

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Speaker 2: on social media, telling state and federal governments to get

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Speaker 2: up nationwide to tackle a surge in hate crimes. Is

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Speaker 1: Do you think? Cam and I'm sure Jewish Australians that

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Speaker 1: it gets it.

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Speaker 4: All of these incidents that we're seeing, Christen, I think

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Speaker 4: too few prosecutions of these crimes, and I guess you

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Speaker 4: penalty was much greater, then there'd be a far greater

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Speaker 4: deterrence than you've scene. I think the events of the

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Speaker 2: Just lastly, Cam to come back to the reason for

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Speaker 2: our conversation today. Are you optimistic this conflict will come

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Speaker 4: I'm cautiously optimistic that we might actually get a deal

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Speaker 4: exactly what the interim government in Gaza would be. Will

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Speaker 4: Hamas actually step down as they've promised, and more importantly,

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Speaker 4: would they actually disarmed, which is what the Americans and

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Speaker 4: the Israelis have called for. They are much bigger steps

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Speaker 4: and that will come in a second phase. So I

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Speaker 4: think the first phase is definitely possible. The second phase

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Speaker 4: is far more challenging. But gee, this good term and

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Speaker 4: of dime. It wouldn't surprise me if Hamas threw in

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Speaker 4: a few new requests, new demands which are totally untenable.

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Speaker 4: That's the sort of group that they are. We'll just

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Speaker 4: have to see. But the next forty eight hours are

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Speaker 4: critical to see whether the first and most important part

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Speaker 2: Cameron Stewart is The Australian's chief international correspondent. You can

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