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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone, Happy Friday. Or I know some people save
Speaker 2: these do they and listen on a Tuesday, which I
Speaker 2: think is fucking unhinged.
Speaker 1: We like both episodes at.
Speaker 2: Once, yeah, because then they get a super long high
Speaker 2: Scroller nice, But I mean it's good to listen in context.
Speaker 2: Maybe people don't listen to podcasts on Friday because Friday
Speaker 2: is like the end of the week. You know, who
Speaker 2: cares for anything on a Friday.
Speaker 1: So I have no idea because I'm bad. I do
Speaker 1: not listen to a single.
Speaker 2: Podcast neither, honestly.
Speaker 1: So it's an honor that people take the time to
Speaker 1: listen to mine.
Speaker 2: I'm someone who will listen to an episode.
Speaker 1: Of a podcast, like if something goods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if someone puts something out and there's like
Speaker 2: a viral clip of it, you know what I want
Speaker 2: to listen to. Actually is that new podcast episode And
Speaker 2: I can't remember what podcast it is, but it's the
Speaker 2: one Mark Jacobs is on No Jacob Sorry Steve Yea.
Speaker 3: For those of you that haven't seen it, Steve Madden
Speaker 3: has gone on a podcast and it's it's gone viral
Speaker 3: on TikTok.
Speaker 1: There's like the podcast has heaps of clips. I went
Speaker 1: and watched all of those.
Speaker 3: You'll watch that, like, I'll watch all the clips, but
Speaker 3: I won't go and listen to it. But basically, Steve Madden,
Speaker 3: shoe guy since forever, has gone on this podcast and
Speaker 3: basically like done the best pr for himself and his
Speaker 3: business that he could ever do in his whole career.
Speaker 3: And Steve Madden has been around since like ages ago,
Speaker 3: like forever ago or more nineties, I don't know, early
Speaker 3: two thousand, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Look, we'll have to look it up. But he in
Speaker 1: these few candid clips that have been posted to TikTok
Speaker 1: by the podcast host, she's just asking him, like, I
Speaker 1: did you see the one video where they're going through
Speaker 1: all the shoes that Steve Madden has duped? Yes, but
Speaker 1: like not completely duped, like done their own version on.
Speaker 2: Which I didn't realize that was Steve Madden's whole thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that I think.
Speaker 3: He has like some of his original styles obviously, but
Speaker 3: now they like come out with other trendy shoes as well.
Speaker 3: And so she shows like Chanelle flats for example, and
Speaker 3: then she shows him his and he goes, yeah, there
Speaker 3: are shoes. They're inspired by the Chanelle flats, Like he
Speaker 3: just outwardly says it, but he's not like, yeah, we
Speaker 3: copy them. And then he even like commends the other brands,
Speaker 3: which I found to be really refreshing. Like there was
Speaker 3: one shoe and she said this is Mew Mew or
Speaker 3: something and he's like, I didn't know that because obviously
Speaker 3: he's not like in there designing the shoes, like they
Speaker 3: have whole teams for it. But he's like, meumu, what
Speaker 3: a great business. Yeah, Like he's just like complimenting these
Speaker 3: other businesses, and I just feel like it was really clever.
Speaker 3: But again, this goes into the whole dupe culture as well.
Speaker 3: Matt and like men versus women, because why is everyone
Speaker 3: praising Steve Madden for him just outwardly like saying that
Speaker 3: his shoes are inspired by other brands. But then everyone
Speaker 3: hated Shelley from MC beauty is it because of the
Speaker 3: way she delivered it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from my understanding, she was not kind about it.
Speaker 1: She was like, I don't give a shit if I
Speaker 1: get them.
Speaker 3: But then it's like, do we accept dupe culture if
Speaker 3: the owner is nice about it?
Speaker 2: Well, I do think that, or is it because he's
Speaker 2: a guy the whole I think the whole thing is
Speaker 2: like it because this is what we're saying is you
Speaker 2: are the face of your brand is who you are,
Speaker 2: and the face of m CO Beauty to me is
Speaker 2: that Shelley woman who every time she's speaking is unhinged
Speaker 2: or being rude or not answering a question directly, being shady,
Speaker 2: not admitting because she doesn't actually, to my knowledge, come
Speaker 2: out and said she's not even part of the company anymore.
Speaker 2: I think she's sold out of it now, brought out
Speaker 2: of it or how have you whatever terminology that is.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is from my understanding, she would
Speaker 2: act like they weren't duping anyone, and no, it wasn't
Speaker 2: a copy. Do you know what I mean? Where Steve Madden.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, that's inspired by he'sruthful.
Speaker 2: He's been truthful, and I didn't see that truthfulness when
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 1: Watch about the delivery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I reckon. I mean maybe it's got
Speaker 2: a deeper issue of men versus women.
Speaker 3: I think it does because then I think about myself.
Speaker 3: And let's say we come out with a new collection
Speaker 3: at Fate and I said, yeah, so this is inspired
Speaker 3: by Chanelle. Like, let's say we come out with like,
Speaker 3: you know, Chanelle has those like old school classic like
Speaker 3: little I don't fucking know how to describe actually scratch
Speaker 3: actually yeah, you know, those little sets and the.
Speaker 2: Cutesy pastel clueless five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if we come out with a collection like that,
Speaker 3: and if I just so candidly said on a podcast
Speaker 3: clip like him, yeah, this is our new collection and
Speaker 3: the interviewer goes, who, like, here's the original, and I went, yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's Chanel and that's ours and it's inspired by it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would get the praise that
Speaker 1: Steve Madden is getting.
Speaker 2: We should fake that. We should fake that and.
Speaker 1: Do a campaign to a social experiment or a.
Speaker 2: Social experiment and see whether you would get get praise
Speaker 2: and you just make it up.
Speaker 1: We should plan it and do it for April Fools
Speaker 1: next year, a long way away.
Speaker 3: But if I'm actually going to make an item and
Speaker 3: see if I get the praise.
Speaker 2: Even just the social clip going up, and just see
Speaker 2: how the comments react to you saying you're ripping off Chanell.
Speaker 3: But if I say it in a nice way, I say,
Speaker 3: I love Chanelle. I'm so inspired by them, and that's
Speaker 3: why we've come out with this collection that's inspired by Chanell.
Speaker 3: I wonder if as a woman, I would get the
Speaker 3: same praise, because I also, like this topic is so
Speaker 3: relevant to me, Matt because just a shameless plug to
Speaker 3: my other podcast, Big Business, I did an episode recently
Speaker 3: on being a woman in essentially a man's world, and
Speaker 3: also just being a woman in like leadership management, like
Speaker 3: just any women that are in like leadership positions and
Speaker 3: all of the challenges that women face not being taken
Speaker 3: as seriously. And so this is just like got me thinking,
Speaker 3: like talking about Steve Matten, like I loved his those
Speaker 3: clips as well, and that's a podcast that I would
Speaker 3: go and listen to.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if it was a.
Speaker 3: Woman, if it would be any different because everyone's like, yeah, Steve,
Speaker 3: he's for the girls.
Speaker 2: I do have. I do notice with my female friends
Speaker 2: a trend of not for lack of a better term
Speaker 2: having the balls to do things in the workplace that
Speaker 2: I think about that I think I could do with
Speaker 2: absolutely no consequence. Like a lot of my friends who
Speaker 2: are women will say like or they wish they could
Speaker 2: have a pay rise, or they wish they could have
Speaker 2: a new positional or potentially most of the time, what
Speaker 2: the conversations I'm having is they've been hired for one job.
Speaker 2: They're doing a hundred other jobs, but their title and
Speaker 2: their pay doesn't reflect that. And I say, then say
Speaker 2: something like, why not go in and say this is
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. I'd like that to be reflected.
Speaker 1: Now were they asking are they asking women or men?
Speaker 2: Well, that's it, and they go, you can't do that.
Speaker 2: You can't do In my mind, if I'm doing a
Speaker 2: job and not getting paid for it, you better pay
Speaker 2: me my jues. There's no doubt that I would walk
Speaker 2: into whoever's office and go, I either need to be
Speaker 2: paid correctly or I'm not doing these jobs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And as a business owner and boss, I would
Speaker 3: expect my staff to do the same to me, Like
Speaker 3: if they're doing ten people's jobs but only got the
Speaker 3: title of one and getting paid for one, they have
Speaker 3: every right to come to me and say, hey, here's
Speaker 3: all the extra work that I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Can we look at like a title change and a
Speaker 1: pay change.
Speaker 2: But there's a resistance there is from them, and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say, just go in there and do it.
Speaker 2: But I've noticed that they hold that I don't know,
Speaker 2: that wouldn't work. That wouldn't work. You don't know whether
Speaker 2: you go in and you try and if it doesn't work,
Speaker 2: then you know it doesn't work. But I obviously I
Speaker 2: have no lived experience as a woman, so I don't
Speaker 2: know what it's like. But it's just a pattern that
Speaker 2: I've noticed throughout my friends and family members as well.
Speaker 3: Take it from us, gals, you deserve to be able
Speaker 3: to speak in your workplace. And yeah, it's a very
Speaker 3: interesting topic. Like even from my perspective, I've dealt some
Speaker 3: with some really challenging times over the years when it
Speaker 3: comes to staff, and a lot of the time when
Speaker 3: I've dealt with situations and it's all like we've resolved
Speaker 3: it or it's come to an end or whatever, I've
Speaker 3: had so many moments of reflection afterwards, like thinking about
Speaker 3: like everything that was said, and you know, thinking if
Speaker 3: things like personally have been said towards me or about me.
Speaker 3: I've often thought, I wonder if I was a guy,
Speaker 3: if those things would.
Speaker 2: Have been said, because people, she's a bitch, yes, and
Speaker 2: so such a bitch. But like if it was a guy,
Speaker 2: they go, aj is.
Speaker 1: A bitch, like if do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like, I've just been having all these thoughts lately, especially
Speaker 3: after doing that episode if you want to go and
Speaker 3: listen to it, But you know, when you do have
Speaker 3: like a female manager or whatever, like it's sadly like
Speaker 3: ingrained in society that women are bitches, like if they're
Speaker 3: in like think of your manager at Macazol whatever, Like
Speaker 3: it's just, yeah, she's such a bitch. But like if
Speaker 3: that manager was a man, would you go, yeah, he's
Speaker 3: such a bitch.
Speaker 1: No, you wouldn't. You'd just be like, that's my manager
Speaker 1: and he's just doing his job.
Speaker 3: Or if you got feedback off your manager if you'd
Speaker 3: fucked up or something.
Speaker 1: Let's say you sent out the wrong fucking.
Speaker 3: Burgher to the wrong car or whatever, and your manager
Speaker 3: called you up on it. If it was a female,
Speaker 3: oh what a bitch for calling me out. But if
Speaker 3: it was a guy. Let's say it was Aj. They
Speaker 3: wouldn't go, oh, AJ's such a bitch. We're telling me
Speaker 3: that I stuffed up that order. Instead they just go yep, okay,
Speaker 3: because it's a guy. And like, sadly, I think this
Speaker 3: is like ingrained into society that like it's our automatic
Speaker 3: response without even realizing that, Like we always look at
Speaker 3: females in power and then being assertive as like a
Speaker 3: negative bad thing and that they're being a bitch.
Speaker 1: But when it's men, we never really think that.
Speaker 2: That's why I love walking into a room, especially full
Speaker 2: of men and saying hi girls, how are we? Or
Speaker 2: hi dahs? Because you know, it's like when we say
Speaker 2: hey guys, And I think about that and I think,
Speaker 2: you know, if you walk into a room full of
Speaker 2: girls and you say, hey guys, no I'm back's an eyelid.
Speaker 2: But imagine walking into a room full of men, say
Speaker 2: hey girls, everyone in that room is going to have
Speaker 2: a problem with it, right, And so I love that.
Speaker 2: I love shifting that balance and that power, especially when
Speaker 2: there's more men in the room and you're going in
Speaker 2: a hag girls high girls, how are going?
Speaker 1: They feel a certain way about that.
Speaker 3: Another realization that I've had since doing that episode recently.
Speaker 3: That's so funny that we're just randomly talking about this
Speaker 3: now because this has literally been on my mind. Another
Speaker 3: like personal realization that I've had, and I actually had it.
Speaker 3: I went on Two Broke Chicks last week and I
Speaker 3: had a moment of realization when I was talking to them.
Speaker 1: I've always known that.
Speaker 3: One of the reasons why I'm such a go getter
Speaker 3: and like just take risks and whatever is because like
Speaker 3: I never had my mum and dad around to tell me,
Speaker 3: you know, you should do well in school, or you
Speaker 3: should try and go to UNI, or you should get
Speaker 3: a job like or a career or whatever. Because I
Speaker 3: was like so independent from when I was a teenager.
Speaker 3: I think that's where my drive has come from, which
Speaker 3: I'm so thankful for, because I could have went the
Speaker 3: other way and said, no one's ever told me what
Speaker 3: to do, so I'm going to go into a little hole.
Speaker 3: But instead, the reason why I'm such a go getter
Speaker 3: and why I'm always doing so much and why I
Speaker 3: believe in myself is because no one ever has which
Speaker 3: I've always known that, right, but I realized that because
Speaker 3: in my job, like what a lot of people wouldn't
Speaker 3: know is like I actually do deal with a lot
Speaker 3: of men, even though fate is predominantly female. Like a
Speaker 3: lot of our outside relationships a men, like the real
Speaker 3: estate agents for our nine fucking commercial leases that we have,
Speaker 3: our bin guys, our truck drivers, like everyone is basically
Speaker 3: a man.
Speaker 1: We deal with a lot of men in our business.
Speaker 1: And so I did the whole episode talking about like
Speaker 1: little interactions that I've had with men over the years
Speaker 1: where they haven't taken me seriously, like when I've been
Speaker 1: going to view a Westfield store and they look at
Speaker 1: me like who the fuck are you, or they've been like, yeah,
Speaker 1: good luck with that and made little comments like that.
Speaker 1: But I made the realization that I don't give a
Speaker 1: fuck what men say, and I never have because my
Speaker 1: dad walked out when I was fourteen. And I only
Speaker 1: had that realization last week when I was on the
Speaker 1: Two Broke Cheeks podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was like, holy fuck, Like I've always
Speaker 3: known that I've got my drive from my parents not
Speaker 3: guiding me. But then I also realized, like I've never
Speaker 3: cared what men say in my career when real estate
Speaker 3: agents have gone on, So what do you do you
Speaker 3: sell clothes?
Speaker 1: Do y'all?
Speaker 3: I've never cared, whereas I know a lot of other
Speaker 3: women would really care and take that to heart and
Speaker 3: get upset by it. Because my dad walked out of
Speaker 3: my life when I was fourteen, and I just.
Speaker 2: Had that like speak epiphany.
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy shit.
Speaker 2: I think therapy would change your life.
Speaker 1: I think I'm fine.
Speaker 2: Honestly, but I think that therapy.
Speaker 1: Has it can be like liberating.
Speaker 2: It has like a negative connotation that like you need
Speaker 2: to go only if you it just would help you
Speaker 2: discover and learn those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: Because I've literally realized in the middle of the episode.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's left here the episodes out.
Speaker 2: Broke that only just you know empowers you more because
Speaker 2: now you know more about yourself.
Speaker 3: Like I think, yeah, but how do you even find
Speaker 3: a therapist honestly?
Speaker 1: Like do you have to go?
Speaker 2: Who has the time?
Speaker 3: You go to a doctor and then they refer you
Speaker 3: to someone, or can you like find a therapist and
Speaker 3: contact them?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't do therapy.
Speaker 1: Are you telling me to go to therapy?
Speaker 2: Anyway?
Speaker 3: Just a realization that I had my dad walking out
Speaker 3: has been more powerful than I even knew.
Speaker 2: Because your dad walking out was the best thing that
Speaker 2: ever happened to you. Love, because like, imagine what that
Speaker 2: has done for you, Like, you wouldn't be here today, No,
Speaker 2: like I always if you had a supportive father, sorry,
Speaker 2: you would have been supported father.
Speaker 1: Maybe I would have went to union. I've been a
Speaker 1: completely different career.
Speaker 3: Maybe I wouldn't be with AJ Like is it like
Speaker 3: the butterfly effect that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I would be not doing this podcast with you.
Speaker 1: Probably I might have never started YouTube.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you might not have even had to be
Speaker 2: working at the makeup shop when we met. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I would have been UNI at that or I would
Speaker 1: have been finishing year twelve or.
Speaker 2: Just staying at home, living at home with the parents,
Speaker 2: not even having a job. You know that nice? Who
Speaker 2: knows that would to be? No, you know there was
Speaker 2: so I think back to high school and the people
Speaker 2: who like their parents were like, no, you're not having
Speaker 2: a job, will support you because we want you to
Speaker 2: do well in school.
Speaker 1: Oh that would be nice.
Speaker 3: Extremely thankful that I was forced to be independent because
Speaker 3: obviously I owe all of my success to that.
Speaker 1: But if I could just redo it again now for
Speaker 1: a little bit. I would fucking stay at home until
Speaker 1: I'm thirty. Yeah, but I never had that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I see like some people showing up on my
Speaker 3: TikTok and they're like creating content about like being in
Speaker 3: their thirties or like late twenties and moving back home
Speaker 3: to like save money so they can eventually get their
Speaker 3: own place. And I know that's like shunned on in
Speaker 3: society or like you feel like you're taking a step backwards.
Speaker 1: But I'm all for it. If I had a family,
Speaker 1: I would love to hang out with them at their
Speaker 1: home and like live there and have dinner together. It
Speaker 1: would be nice.
Speaker 2: Ten years ago, it was all right because you could
Speaker 2: go back home and actually save the money. I actually
Speaker 2: think moving back home these days, are you even saving
Speaker 2: that much money? Because your parents are struggling too, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like ten years ago, you new
Speaker 2: home because mom and dad have got it all.
Speaker 1: Get the grocery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could just eat them out of house and
Speaker 2: home and you know, sort my life out, get my
Speaker 2: life back on track, and turn it around. Now I'm like,
Speaker 2: you got to move home and pay two fifty a
Speaker 2: week board love just to keep the lights on you know. Hmm,
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I moving back in with the parents.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously to help a little bit, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's all that's cracked up to be
Speaker 2: like it used to be, you know, because it used
Speaker 2: to be such a dramatic turn, whereas now these days,
Speaker 2: I think the parents are probably like, yeah, moving, you
Speaker 2: can help us pay the bills. Bloody hell, Well what
Speaker 2: a chat? What a chat? Love? Anything else to say,
Speaker 2: We'll see you next Tuesday.