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Speaker 2: Welcome to Lizzo Irl High Scrollers Edition. This is close friends,

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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone, Happy Friday. Or I know some people save

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Speaker 2: these do they and listen on a Tuesday, which I

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Speaker 1: We like both episodes at.

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Speaker 2: Once, yeah, because then they get a super long high

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Speaker 2: Scroller nice, But I mean it's good to listen in context.

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Speaker 2: Maybe people don't listen to podcasts on Friday because Friday

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Speaker 2: is like the end of the week. You know, who

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Speaker 2: cares for anything on a Friday.

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Speaker 1: So I have no idea because I'm bad. I do

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Speaker 1: not listen to a single.

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Speaker 2: Podcast neither, honestly.

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Speaker 1: So it's an honor that people take the time to

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Speaker 1: listen to mine.

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Speaker 2: I'm someone who will listen to an episode.

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Speaker 1: Of a podcast, like if something goods.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if someone puts something out and there's like

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Speaker 2: a viral clip of it, you know what I want

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Speaker 2: to listen to. Actually is that new podcast episode And

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what podcast it is, but it's the

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Speaker 2: one Mark Jacobs is on No Jacob Sorry Steve Yea.

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Speaker 3: For those of you that haven't seen it, Steve Madden

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Speaker 1: There's like the podcast has heaps of clips. I went

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Speaker 3: You'll watch that, like, I'll watch all the clips, but

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Speaker 3: I won't go and listen to it. But basically, Steve Madden,

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Speaker 3: shoe guy since forever, has gone on this podcast and

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Speaker 3: basically like done the best pr for himself and his

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Speaker 3: And Steve Madden has been around since like ages ago,

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Speaker 3: like forever ago or more nineties, I don't know, early

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Speaker 1: Look, we'll have to look it up. But he in

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Speaker 1: these few candid clips that have been posted to TikTok

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Speaker 1: did you see the one video where they're going through

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Speaker 1: all the shoes that Steve Madden has duped? Yes, but

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Speaker 1: like not completely duped, like done their own version on.

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Speaker 2: Which I didn't realize that was Steve Madden's whole thing.

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Speaker 3: He has like some of his original styles obviously, but

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Speaker 3: just outwardly says it, but he's not like, yeah, we

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Speaker 3: which I found to be really refreshing. Like there was

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Speaker 3: something and he's like, I didn't know that because obviously

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Speaker 3: he's not like in there designing the shoes, like they

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Speaker 3: But again, this goes into the whole dupe culture as well.

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Speaker 3: Matt and like men versus women, because why is everyone

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Speaker 3: praising Steve Madden for him just outwardly like saying that

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Speaker 3: his shoes are inspired by other brands. But then everyone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from my understanding, she was not kind about it.

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Speaker 1: She was like, I don't give a shit if I

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Speaker 3: But then it's like, do we accept dupe culture if

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Speaker 2: Well, I do think that, or is it because he's

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Speaker 2: I think she's sold out of it now, brought out

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is from my understanding, she would

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Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, that's inspired by he'sruthful.

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Speaker 3: I think it does because then I think about myself.

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Speaker 3: so that's Chanel and that's ours and it's inspired by it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would get the praise that

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Speaker 2: We should fake that. We should fake that and.

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Speaker 1: Do a campaign to a social experiment or a.

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Speaker 2: Social experiment and see whether you would get get praise

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Speaker 1: We should plan it and do it for April Fools

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Speaker 3: But if I'm actually going to make an item and

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Speaker 2: Even just the social clip going up, and just see

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Speaker 3: But if I say it in a nice way, I say,

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Speaker 3: like talking about Steve Matten, like I loved his those

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Speaker 1: But I wonder if it was a.

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Speaker 3: Woman, if it would be any different because everyone's like, yeah, Steve,

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Speaker 2: I do have. I do notice with my female friends

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Speaker 2: the conversations I'm having is they've been hired for one job.

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Speaker 2: They're doing a hundred other jobs, but their title and

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Speaker 1: Now were they asking are they asking women or men?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's it, and they go, you can't do that.

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Speaker 2: You can't do In my mind, if I'm doing a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And as a business owner and boss, I would

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Speaker 2: But there's a resistance there is from them, and I'm

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Speaker 2: But I've noticed that they hold that I don't know,

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Speaker 2: that wouldn't work. That wouldn't work. You don't know whether

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Speaker 3: Take it from us, gals, you deserve to be able

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Speaker 3: to speak in your workplace. And yeah, it's a very

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Speaker 3: interesting topic. Like even from my perspective, I've dealt some

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Speaker 2: Have been said, because people, she's a bitch, yes, and

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Speaker 3: Like, I've just been having all these thoughts lately, especially

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Speaker 3: wouldn't go, oh, AJ's such a bitch. We're telling me

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Speaker 3: Another realization that I've had since doing that episode recently.

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Speaker 1: I've always known that.

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Speaker 3: One of the reasons why I'm such a go getter

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Speaker 3: But instead, the reason why I'm such a go getter

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was like, holy fuck, Like I've always

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Speaker 1: I'm like, holy shit.

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Speaker 2: I think therapy would change your life.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm fine.

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Speaker 2: It has like a negative connotation that like you need

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Speaker 2: Broke that only just you know empowers you more because

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Speaker 3: Like I think, yeah, but how do you even find

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Speaker 1: Like do you have to go?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't do therapy.

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Speaker 3: Just a realization that I had my dad walking out

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Speaker 2: Because your dad walking out was the best thing that

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Speaker 1: Maybe I would have went to union. I've been a

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Speaker 3: Maybe I wouldn't be with AJ Like is it like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I would be not doing this podcast with you.

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Speaker 1: Oh that would be nice.

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Speaker 2: Ten years ago, it was all right because you could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could just eat them out of house and

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Speaker 2: I think the parents are probably like, yeah, moving, you

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Speaker 2: can help us pay the bills. Bloody hell, Well what

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Speaker 2: a chat? What a chat? Love? Anything else to say,

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next Tuesday.