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Speaker 2: Fair warning to say this right up front today my

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Speaker 2: guest and I we're going to talk a lot of shit.

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean that in the way that it

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Speaker 2: all normally applies in the world of podcasts. I mean literally,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about shit. The ship we're talking about today,

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Speaker 2: which I cannot stress enough, is actual, literal shit, is

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Speaker 2: the shit that matters. It's some absolutely mind blowing ways

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Speaker 2: and ways that could completely change your health, including your

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Speaker 2: mental health.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk some shit and it's gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait for her to find out. Gotta play some

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Speaker 2: Back in a second, Gidda, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: listening to the show. This is better than yesterday, making

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Speaker 2: it better every single week since twenty thirteen. My name

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Speaker 2: is Osha Ginsberg and I'm very grateful that you're here

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Speaker 2: on the show today.

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Speaker 1: Just a quick note up top here.

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Speaker 2: There are still just the dense, tiny, itty bitty few

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Speaker 2: tickets left for the Story Club show on the ninth

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Speaker 2: of February. It's a Sunday night in Sydney and Merrickville.

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Speaker 2: It's very close to sold out at me. Rob Carlton

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Speaker 2: Ado Ferreira, Matt Mark Sutton, Zoe Notton Ludge, and Sean

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Speaker 2: motherfucking macaliffe. We're gonna sit down, We're going to tell

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Speaker 2: some stories. Early doors, you'll be in out early. We'll

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Speaker 2: I've got to ask a question. How many plants have

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Speaker 2: Well, according to my guest today and the stacks of

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Speaker 2: studies that he has consumed, the answer to that question

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Speaker 2: has significant implications to both your physical and mental health,

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Speaker 2: more than you're probably thinking right now. My guest is

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Speaker 2: doctor Will Bolshovitz, or doctor b. He's a rockstar gas droentologist.

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Speaker 2: Apparently there can be such a thing. He's from the US,

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Speaker 2: and he wrote a book called Fiber Fuel. Bit of

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Speaker 2: also recently founded a gut health supplement called thirty eight Terror. Now,

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Speaker 2: by the end of this chat, you're probably going to

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Speaker 2: have a whole new appreciation.

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Speaker 1: For Pooh and also how.

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Speaker 2: Incredibly complex and amazing your body is and how you

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Speaker 2: can do some things to help nurture it and things

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Speaker 2: you can do today to change how.

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Speaker 1: You feel both physically and mentally.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the show, Doctor Bae, thanks for being on the

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Speaker 2: show today. Will I'm very happy to see you drinking

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Speaker 2: a cup of coffee. I mean, first off, the bat,

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Speaker 2: you know, coming on here to talk about gut health

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Speaker 2: But the one molecule that has not prescribed to me,

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Speaker 1: And you can pry it from a cold, dead hands.

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Speaker 3: Well you know, actually, it turns out that coffee is

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Speaker 3: the number one source of anti accidents in the American diet.

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Speaker 3: And we must acknowledge that that's kind of pathetic, right, like,

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Speaker 2: Here, there's nobody who's listening to this that doesn't instantly

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Speaker 1: Know, relax because you've got to relax to get that out.

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Speaker 2: What is having that mindset about your own bodily function

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Speaker 3: Perch Yah, I mean we've inappropriately stigmatized something that's actually

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Speaker 1: You talked about life fiber, all right.

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Speaker 3: of fiber. Focus on variety. How many plants have you

435
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 3: consumed this week, because if you get it up towards thirty,

436
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,479
Speaker 3: you're going to get your fiber for sure.

437
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Speaker 1: Thirty different plants awake.

438
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Speaker 2: Are there any plants that are high or on like

439
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Speaker 2: if we can't get to thirty, are there any different

440
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 2: plants that are along that skye which are rich in

441
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Speaker 2: these prebiotics than others?

442
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: Okay, So there's three main types of probotics that exist.

443
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 3: One is fiber. The second is resistant starch, which is

444
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 3: conceptually similar to fiber, you can think about it the

445
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 3: same way. And then the third we talked about the coffee,

446
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 3: which are the polyphenos. Polyphenols feed and prime the microbes.

447
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: So those are the three things that we're chasing. Well,

448
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 3: the foods that we struggle to eat the most if

449
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 3: you have gut issues are the ones actually that are

450
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,479
Speaker 3: gout microbes need the most. It's a paradoxical phenomenon. So

451
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Speaker 3: beans magomes bullgrains. They are so densely packed. These are

452
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 3: humble foods. They're inexpensive, right, everyone can afford beans and

453
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 3: grains like these basic hole grains, but they're so densely

454
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 3: packed with fiber resistance, starch, and polyphenols. And the reason

455
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 3: why it's hard for people to eat them is because

456
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 3: their gut is not well. So we need to build

457
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 3: their gut back up and then they'll be able to

458
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 3: thrive with these foods.

459
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Speaker 2: I ate veins all the time, like it's all I ate, really,

460
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: and I don't have any pine ever in my stomach.

461
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: But I do know that people have been eating them

462
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Speaker 2: for a while. I will like if I come over

463
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 2: to ate at a house and be like, oh I

464
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: I hadn't had veins like that in a while. And yeah,

465
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Speaker 2: are you saying that if they ate cape at it

466
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Speaker 2: that they tell me will settle down.

467
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Speaker 3: I want people to think about their gut like a muscle. Yeah,

468
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: it can be trained, it can be rehabilitated, it can

469
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Speaker 3: be made stronger. And the way that does this is

470
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: through exercise. And when you eat a meal, whatever is

471
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 3: in that dish, you are exercise that part of your muscles. Right,

472
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 3: So if you haven't been eating beans, if you were

473
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 3: on a palaeo diet and you got rid of legooms entirely,

474
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 3: when you come back to this, this is like a

475
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 3: person who's like, hey, I've been working out. But I

476
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: haven't done legs in three years.

477
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Speaker 1: We all know that guy.

478
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: We all know that you should be doing guys everywhere.

479
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: That guy should be doing legs. They don't realize the

480
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Speaker 3: benefits they would get if they just added the legs, right.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

482
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Speaker 3: So the but the issue though is like, okay, so

483
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Speaker 3: if you were that person, let's just think about this rationally.

484
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: I think that every listener can relate to this. If

485
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 3: you haven't been working out your legs, you know, they're

486
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: not as strong as your upper body is. You're not

487
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 3: going to go into the gym and with the same

488
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 3: intensity of weight that you would. You have to ease

489
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 3: into it, right, So you still I like to say,

490
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: start low and go slow. Just start with a small

491
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: amount of beans and you work your way up because

492
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 3: by doing that, you're working out your gut, you're making

493
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Speaker 3: it stronger.

494
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Speaker 1: We need to take a quick break back with doctor Beana.

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Speaker 2: Moment you mentioned earlier are the neuro transmitters that are

496
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: created inside our gut, And I'll find it just absolutely

497
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: incredible that we are. You mentioned coral reefs, but inside

498
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: our bodies is essentially a coral reef's worth of biodiversity,

499
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: and that if we don't have the right amount of

500
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: different species inside us, we don't function properly, and that

501
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: there are neurotransmitters that can only be produced if we

502
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: have these organisms which are not us, living inside us

503
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: to provide us these neurotransmitters. About ten years ago or so,

504
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: I went through a period of like significantly terribly bad

505
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: mental ill health that I ended up had episodes of psychosis.

506
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: I was on anti psychiotics. It was really, really, really bad.

507
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 2: I got a lot better because doctors are great, and

508
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: so is modern pharmacology.

509
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Speaker 1: One of the cycles I went to.

510
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Speaker 2: Go and see One of the first things she said

511
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Speaker 2: to me was like, I want you to just just

512
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: stop eating gluten. I was like, what do you I

513
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: am Celiac. I did not know this at the time

514
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 2: because that had been turned on apparently by the stress

515
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: that I was under. Why talk to me about how

516
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 2: our mental health can be affected by the health of

517
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Speaker 2: our microbion Can you talk to me about the connection

518
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Speaker 2: between the diversity of plants that we're eating, in the

519
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 2: diversity of fibers and things that are putting into our body,

520
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: and the amount of things like serotonin and dopamine that

521
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: can get produced in their bodies to help us have

522
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Speaker 2: an okay day.

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Speaker 3: There are multiple ways, multiple channels through which your gut

524
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: is communicating to your brain as we sit here right now,

525
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: and one of them is the neural transmitters. And neural

526
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: transmitters get a lot of attention, but they're probably not

527
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 3: the most important one. But let me talk about them

528
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: for a quick moment. So serotonin, Serotonin is the happy hormone.

529
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Speaker 3: Right when people take medication to address major depression, for example,

530
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Speaker 3: they usually take a serotonin be up to an inhibitor,

531
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Speaker 3: which boosts serotonin levels in the brain. Ninety percent of

532
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Speaker 3: the seroton and in our body is actually produced in

533
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: our gut ninety five percent. Now, is that because that

534
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 3: serotonin is feeding our brain and affecting our mood directly?

535
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: It's not that simple, but there are ways in which

536
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: the serotonin, I guess I should say, the serotonin that's

537
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 3: in your gut, the reason why it's there is because

538
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: it's affecting your gut motility and things like By the

539
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: way morning sunlight, So here's an actionable tip for everyone

540
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: at home. Time outdoors in the morning is so valuable.

541
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Speaker 3: So getting literally anywhere from ten to thirty minutes of

542
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Speaker 3: outdoor suntime. You don't have to look straight at the sun.

543
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: You just need to be looking up, looking up, don't

544
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: look at your phone. Right. It actually produces, it actually

545
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 3: increases serotonin production, which affects our mood. This is why

546
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: we have seasonal effective disorder during the winter months, yep.

547
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: And it affects gut motility, which can affect our ability

548
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 3: to have like that great Bristol fore bomb movement when

549
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Speaker 3: we start our day. All right, So, ninety five percent

550
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: of serotonin is produced in the gut. So is fifty

551
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: percent of dopamine. Now, these these neurotransmitters, along with other

552
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: signaling molecules produced by the gut microbes and produced by

553
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 3: your immune system, because seventy percent of your immune system

554
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: lives in the lining of your gut, they have the

555
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: ability to affect what's happening in your brain through what's

556
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 3: called the vegus nerve. It's these pairs of nerves. And

557
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: think about this. I just want to I just want

558
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: to put some numbers to this because it's quite overwhelming.

559
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying to everyone is that we have

560
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: thirty eight trillion microbes and we have one point three

561
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: trillion immune cells, and we have five hundred million nerves,

562
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: and all of that information is dynamically changing by the

563
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: nanosecond wow, and all of it filters into these two nerves,

564
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: the vegus nerves that carry eighty percent of their fiber

565
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: is the fiber of the nerve is carrying this information

566
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: from the gut up to the brain, and it's influencing

567
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: our brain and the way that our brain works, including

568
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: our mood, including our cognition, our ability to focus, our

569
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: ability to create memories and retain those memories right, and

570
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: ultimately affecting inflammation in the brain. The new model, the

571
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: new model for many of the neurologic disorders and neurocognitive disorders,

572
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: mood disorders, is through inflammation. There's evidence to suggest that

573
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: there's inflammation in the brain, for example, and people that

574
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: have major depression, So when the gut is in a

575
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: bad place and you have an inflammatory gut. And by

576
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: the way, if you were to take a person with

577
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: major depression and you look under the hood and you

578
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: ask the question, what's happening in their microbiome, the science

579
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: says their microbiome is inflamed. That's what the science would say.

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00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: They have inflammation in their brain the same time. How

581
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: do we correct this, how do we get this reoriented

582
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 3: to where we want to be. Well, the answer is

583
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: an anti inflammatory diet. An anti inflammatory diet is high

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00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: in fiber. It's high in plant based foods. And what

585
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: it does is the fiber is the food for the microbiome.

586
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: As we just mentioned a moment ago, fiber resistance, starches

587
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: and polyphenals are our prebodics. So the fiber from these

588
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: plant based foods is feeding the microbiole and when they're fed,

589
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: they take that fiber and they release what are called

590
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: short chain fatty acids. The short chain fatty acids but

591
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: ry acetate appropriateate. They have healing effects right there in

592
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: the gut. They have healing effects on the immune system.

593
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: They have effects so that your vagus nerve is receiving

594
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: different information, and they will also travel through the bloodstream

595
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: up to the brain and cross the blood brain barrier

596
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: into our brain tissue where they are anti inflammatory. And

597
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: this everything that I've described is things that start in

598
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: laboratories and mouse models and things like this. You got

599
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: to prove it in humans. Well, this is why we

600
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: have people like fleece Jaka, who has the Food and

601
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: Mood Center at Deacon University. Right So, in Australia, and

602
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: they ran something called the Smiles Trial, and in the Smilestrial,

603
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: they put people on a plant predominant me a Tranean

604
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: diet was not vegan, but it was heavy on the plants,

605
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: and using this plant predominant Mediterranean diet, they were able

606
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: to achieve an effect on people's mood where they have

607
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: major depression, and their mood improved so much that it

608
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: was comparable to what you expect to see with the

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Speaker 3: drug with the medication. Ah So, And that's not to

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Speaker 3: dismiss drugs as being important and necessary. They are powerful

611
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Speaker 3: and necessary.

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Speaker 2: Mine there's benefits and side effects to everything, and if

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Speaker 2: you don't need to be prescribed something that makes things

614
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: like stiffies difficult to achieve, that'd be not.

615
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a valid point, and that's one

616
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: of the major side effects. But you know, it's interesting

617
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: because what you're describing was your mental health challenge, right yeah,

618
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: and going through a tratritional medical system with psychiatrists and

619
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: they're prescribing these medications and that's that's the right thing

620
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: to do, all right, as a gastromerologist, I use those

621
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: same medicines. I use those exact same medicines. The difference is,

622
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm not trying to treat major depression.

623
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: I'm trying to treat people's guts. But if I change

624
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: the neurotransmitters in their guts, if I change the serotonin

625
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: and the dopamine and the neuropinephrin, I can change their

626
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: gut motility. I can change how they feel. I can

627
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: give them better bomb movements, and suddenly things like Irroo

628
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: bowel syndrome improve dramatically. So that's actually part of my toolbox.

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Speaker 2: Wow, because what I mean, it was a part of

630
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: a longer journny into discovering that all this c aliac.

631
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: But it was a huge difference once I stopped eating gluten.

632
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: I was kind of on the edge, always been on

633
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: the kind of edge of a relapse, all right. I

634
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: kind of felt it was just kind of always around,

635
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: Like you can smell a barbecue two houses away. It's

636
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: kind of always there, and if you could wander over

637
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: and there it would be, you'd be immersed in it.

638
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: But it was kind of and for years it was

639
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: like that but once I stopped eating gluten quite rapidly

640
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: in conjunction with the other meds and things that I

641
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: was on, quite rapidly, that feeling vanished.

642
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: Yes, and I was.

643
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: I was just astounded at how rapidly that happened, and

644
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: the idea that by giving my body what it needed

645
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: to produce more of the neurotransmitters and the hormones and

646
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: things that can help me shift mood states throughout the day,

647
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: that I had agency and that as well, that that

648
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: part was really really important to helping me get better,

649
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: to know that I have a bit of control over this,

650
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: be in charge of some of this. This isn't happening to me,

651
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: and I'm just at the end of a dog's tail

652
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: flagging around. You know, I can take action that I

653
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: know is a positive step towards feeling better today, and

654
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: that that was really huge through something that is I

655
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: have to do it a few times, that I have

656
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: to eat, and knowing that each mouthful was making me

657
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: feel better was really good.

658
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Out of curiosity, when you prior to being diagnosed

659
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: with Celiac disease, yeah, were you experiencing there was the

660
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: mood disorder? Was there other symptoms. Were you having bluting?

661
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: We have diarrhea, constapution, iron deficiency? Oh no, No.

662
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: That's the wildest thing is that I'm one of the

663
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: I think it's one in three don't get GI symptoms.

664
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: I had absolutely no idea.

665
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'd been off the antipsychotics quite a while

666
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: and these things are amazing because I was I was

667
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: crazy right, and they're really good, but they messed with

668
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: your instilling response. I was putting on a kilo a week.

669
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: My testosterone had vanished. It was life was just like

670
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: everything was made out of blue tack.

671
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: Life was not had no ups and downs. But I

672
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: was safe and that was good.

673
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: But I've been off those drugs for a long time

674
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: and my testosterone wasn't bouncing back, and I was like,

675
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 2: what kind of going on? And we'd pull the goalie

676
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: and we weren't conceiving, and so I went to go

677
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: see this I was doing.

678
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's the other thing.

679
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: I was doing a thing for Men's Health magazine where

680
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: they give you ten weeks and you transform yourself. I'm

681
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: the first vegan on the cover of Men's Health magazine Australia, sir,

682
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: And it was all chickpeas, which just has the same

683
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: amount of protein that steak does, but also with fiber

684
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: to help it get out of here, which is which

685
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: state doesn't come with. And it was we're doing dexis

686
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: scans because they would want to show how much muscle

687
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 2: you gain and how much fail you're lost. And then

688
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: the dexas scan, the operator turned around and goes, your

689
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: bone density is really low, like way lower than it

690
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 2: should be for someone who's forty four.

691
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: What's going on there?

692
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 2: We go, we don't want to go check that out.

693
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 2: And I went to a gastroetrologist here in Sydney and

694
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: I had the blood test. I was off the chart

695
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: with my glide and anybody, so they couldn't It was

696
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: red on the path read out like that's bad, isn't it?

697
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: When it red?

698
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: And the gaseronderologist told me, he said, you're really lucky

699
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: you found out because without what your bone density where

700
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: it is, that can be reversed. But things like the

701
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: thymbing deficiency which starts to happen in your brain, the

702
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: cognitive decline, you can't reverse. And he used his hand

703
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: he says, what's really scary is that people just tend

704
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: to drift down and then something happens, like they break

705
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: the sternam or something, and then they realize, but by

706
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: then it's too late and their brain's already affected.

707
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: That terrified me.

708
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: So he did the channel tunnel procedure which you mentioned earlier,

709
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: and took a little sample, and sure enough, all my

710
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: brothers got tested, my keys, everyone, No one else has

711
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: got it.

712
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: It just showed up in me in my forties.

713
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so there's a lot of time pack here,

714
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: so let's talk about this. First of all, siliac disease

715
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: creates information within the intestines, all right, Now, that information

716
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: could manifest with diarrhea, which is the classic symptom that

717
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: people think about. But what you were bringing up, which

718
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: is very important, is that there's all these other ways

719
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: that people can present with siliac disease. So we have

720
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: to have an open mind, we have to be aware

721
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: of this possibility. I would make the argument that everything

722
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: that you just described, the bone density issue and the

723
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: mood disorder, including the psychosis, is connected back to this. Wow,

724
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: I don't think that. I don't think that these are

725
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: separate issues. I think that these are absolutely connected. And

726
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 3: what's happening is because we within the context of ciliac disease.

727
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: I want to be totally clear that this is not

728
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: the average person who's listening to this. This is the

729
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: person who has siliac disease. But it's worthy of us

730
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: bringing awareness because this is very common. Yeah, there's probably

731
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: someone listening who hasn't been diagnosed yet that we need

732
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: to find them and help them.

733
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: I think one in seven people have it, but something

734
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: is like, but only one in five of those people,

735
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: not like there's a lot of people walking around.

736
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: It's way more. It's way more than people realize. Yeah,

737
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: so I've seen people during my career who have They're delirious,

738
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: they're young, totally confused, no one knows what's going on.

739
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 3: They're mostly being seen by neurologists and psychiatrists, and then

740
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: they bring in the gastrologists to answer the question, why

741
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: are they iron deficient? Yeah, lot of people who have

742
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: silict disease get iron deficiency because they're not absorbing they're

743
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: iron right, And the answer ultimately is that they have

744
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 3: siliac disease. The siliac disease is creating inflammation in the body,

745
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: and the inflammation can manifest in other places. So if

746
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: you accept what I have proposed as being true, which

747
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: is that inflammation inside the brain is part of the mechanism.

748
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's the only thing, right, but it's

749
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 3: part of the mechanism of how we ultimately manifest things

750
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: like major depression, then what I'm saying is that when

751
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 3: you withdraw the gluten within the context of siliac disease,

752
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: you actually allow the gut to heal. You take away

753
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: the inflammation, and the body is able to get back

754
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: on track. So the healing is extremely powerful. Now, there's

755
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: one question I want to resolve real quick. I hope

756
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: you don't mind. Yeah, and I'd be curious if you

757
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: were wondering about this. But the question is why would

758
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: a person who's forty develop siliac disease? Okay, First of all,

759
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: to develop ciliic disease, you must have the gene for it, Okay,

760
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: And actually the gene is very common, So quite a

761
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: few people out there have this gene. But the issue

762
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: is that ninety seven percent of them don't have siliac

763
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: disease right now. At some point in their life it

764
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 3: turns on the gene gets flipped on. So the question

765
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 3: is what is the event? And what we noticed as

766
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: gastrologists is they get travelers diarrhea. Clearly, travelers diarrhea disrupts

767
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: and destroys the microbiome. You're not well in that moment.

768
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: You come back and the diarrhea continues, and it's going

769
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: on for weeks, and then you test the person you

770
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 3: discover they have siliac disease. Did did I pick up

771
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 3: siliac disease in Bali? No? You damaged your microbiome. And

772
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: by damaging the microbiome, the evidence is now suggesting that

773
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: that's the actual inciting event is at some point you

774
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: cross a line where the microbiome is not functioning the

775
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: way it's supposed to and the gene becomes activated, and

776
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: once it turns on, you can't walk that back. Now

777
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: you have to go gluten free. And that's just the

778
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: way it is. But it's important for people to understand

779
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: that there is this microbiome thesis in terms of how

780
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: it interacts with our genetics. It's both microbiom and genetics.

781
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: When you know people are going about they listen to

782
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: us a lot today and you know, thirty different kinds

783
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: of plants and vegetables and fruits and vegetables every week,

784
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: thirty different kinds of fruits and vegetables every week.

785
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: That's a big number.

786
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: That's a pretty big thing to go for getting out

787
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: in the morning and letting those.

788
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: Those photons from the sunlight hit you.

789
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: I mean, we can like to think we're evolved creatures,

790
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: but we're literally we are. We still have a switch

791
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: inside our brains that gets turned on my light. We're

792
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: like a plant. We have phototroopers and we can't escape it.

793
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: And also kind of, you know, knowing where you are

794
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: on the scale, what are some other things that we

795
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: might be able to do that is within reach without

796
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: making huge kind of you know, changes to our lives.

797
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: What is some other things we might do or things

798
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: we want look at about what we're eating that we

799
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: want just try. I'm just gonna try this for two

800
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: weeks and see what happens.

801
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think that in additioncy to focusing on fiber,

802
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: I think that people should also focus on healthy fat.

803
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: So fat that's coming from avocados, fat that's coming from

804
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: healthy seeds and notts so cheese seeds, flax seeds, hemp seeds.

805
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: They contain those seeds contain omega threes. And you hear

806
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: about omega threes when we talk about salmon, when we

807
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: talk about fish, and look, I'm not going to sit

808
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: here and pretend that eating fish is unhealthy. But you

809
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: can absolutely get those things from plant based foods. In fact,

810
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: the source of those things is plant based foods. The

811
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: fish are just carriers. They didn't produce it in the

812
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: first place. So all omega threes originate from plant based

813
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: food So I think, like, to me, in addition to

814
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 3: getting a different variety of plants, we should be focusing

815
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 3: on getting you know, avocados and knots and seeds, chia, flax, hemp.

816
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 3: If you make a smoothie, get these things in there, right,

817
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: That to me from a nutrition perspective, and then like

818
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: you know, of course, I mean, I don't like to

819
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 3: spend a lot of my time. I prefer to focus

820
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 3: on the things that we can do that are good

821
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: for us. I prefer to focus on abundance. Right, But

822
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: we must acknowledge that ultra processed foods are not helping.

823
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: We must acknowledge that refined sugar is not helping. And

824
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: so this is an important part of this process for

825
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: us is if you take those things and you replace

826
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: them with real food, you're moving in the right direction.

827
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: You're going to improve your health. You're going to feel

828
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: the way that you described when you really made your transition.

829
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: My mit, and I know you've been on a show.

830
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm grateful to Colon, my friend, my buddy Rich. It

831
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: would just say, look, just cook your own food for

832
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: two weeks. You're not going to reach for the monocydium

833
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: glued to mite when you'll frying something out.

834
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: Cook your own food.

835
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 2: There's less ingredients and you it's probably fresher, it hasn't

836
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: been sitting on a shelf. Just cook your own food

837
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: for a week, don't eat anything that you're brought from

838
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: a store, and see what happens. And that's kind of

839
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: a window which which I do kind of. I mean,

840
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: it takes work, but you know, do you want to

841
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: anything takes work?

842
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: Anything worthwhile? It takes work. And there are you know,

843
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: there are things that we can we can get. What

844
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: are some things we won't want to look out for?

845
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: You know, in this age, people can scare us, you

846
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: know by going If you haven't got your gut right, you're.

847
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: Serotonins through the floor. You're risking depression. And remember, buy

848
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: this detox or buy this thing. What are some things

849
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: that we won't want to look out for? That's kind

850
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: of a bit a bit bunk them.

851
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: I don't like the CEBO trends. So let me describe

852
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: what that is, because it's an acronym s I B

853
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: O SO and this stands for small intestine bacterial overgrowth, right.

854
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: And what I've noticed is that this is like a

855
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: very trendy thing on the Internet where people say, oh,

856
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: I'm below, I must have sea bo. Oh, I'm constipated.

857
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: It's it's methane dominant sebo is what they call it.

858
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: What right? Oh? Absolutely, And in the States this is

859
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: a very popular thing. But I've seen it all over

860
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: the world on the internet. And here's my concern. The

861
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: solution to our gut microbiyond issues is not in deprivation

862
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: or destruction or elimination. The solution is to bring the

863
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: good guys back on board right abundance variety. This is

864
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: when we empower them, they power us. So the problem

865
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 3: with the sea boat trend is that if a person

866
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 3: thinks they have this diagnosis, which like people are diagnosing

867
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: themselves based upon just their symptoms. You should never do that.

868
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: I watched an Instagram reel. I am an expert.

869
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly so. And based upon this, they'll they'll say, oh,

870
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: I have sea boat. Okay, well, if you read about cebo,

871
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: it's going to say on the internet you have to

872
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 3: take an intobotic right, or will say, oh, well, there's

873
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: these anti microbial herbs. Anti microbial and antibiotic are the

874
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: same thing. We are destroying. We are destroying the guy

875
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: and this is not the solution. And these people I

876
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: feel bad because they're just being misguided. And that's why

877
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: I'm grateful to have the opportunity to talk about this,

878
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: because if you do this, your gut ends up weaker

879
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: than where you started and your problem still called way,

880
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: they could worse.

881
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: You transition to a largely plant based diet.

882
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: I know what I felt like. What was it like

883
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: for you?

884
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not going to make

885
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: too many assumptions, but I'm looking at the spelling of

886
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: your surname and I'm thinking that whether the lack of

887
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: vowels and the amount of seasons z's jammed together, I

888
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: think you and I have kind of similar grandparent scenarios.

889
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: So meat and more meat was all.

890
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: I ate, Yeah, my whole until I was like twenty

891
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: four ish, when you started eating less.

892
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: Meat and then just only plants.

893
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: What did you notice personally, And bear in mind this

894
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: is just your own personal experience, not data driven.

895
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

896
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: Well, but you know what, for the individual person who's

897
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: listening to us right now, that's what matters to them,

898
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, right, Like data driven is great in

899
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: terms of our understanding of how things work, but at

900
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 3: the end of the day, the individual person is looking

901
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: for solutions so they can feel better, and that's what

902
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: we need to ultimately guide them towards. And for me,

903
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 3: I bottomed up. So I'm in my mid forties and

904
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: this was about fifteen years ago, and my lifestyle caught

905
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: up to me where I was working eighty tow one

906
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: hundred hours a week in a a you know, elite

907
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: American hospital and eating a lot of fast food, like

908
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: didn't have time. Was single. I'm not going to cook

909
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: for myself.

910
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: It's an a vending machine. It'll be fine, Oh absolutely.

911
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: And you know work, here's like an example, work a

912
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 3: thirty hour shift and come home and I'm a way home.

913
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: Grab twenty dollars worth of taco bell, which would that

914
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: be thirty aufs dollars? And you know where the taco bell?

915
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: Bring that home, smash that and then go straight to

916
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: bed and wake up eighteen hours later to go back

917
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: to work. Okay, that was my life.

918
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: And then like I don't know where you were on

919
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: the Bristol skyle after that much taco bell, but I.

920
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: Can guess, yeah, not in a good place, certainly not

921
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: a four. And you know, and then in addition to this,

922
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: so you know, I was in my twenties, I thought

923
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: I was invincible, and if I had a day off, right,

924
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: if I had a day off, even though I was exhausted,

925
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 3: even though I should rest and catch up, I would

926
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 3: go out with my friends and we go party, and

927
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: you know, and then you show up to work and

928
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: you just have to muscle through that. And well, it

929
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: caught up to me and I was I was fifty

930
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: pounds over twenty kilos overweight. It was I had high

931
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: blood pressure, i'd high cholesterol. I was depressed. I don't

932
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: know if you saw it the way that I saw it,

933
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: but like I felt like the world was coming at

934
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: me in shades of gray and blue. It's just the

935
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: way it looked, I just wanted to lay on my

936
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 3: couch under a blanket and be left alone. That's where

937
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: I was. And so I knew that I wasn't well.

938
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: I knew that I needed to be better. And the

939
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: funny thing about it is here I am. I trained

940
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 3: at these great, you know, elite American institutions. I'm a

941
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: board certified internal medicine doctor, and I don't want my

942
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: own medicine.

943
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: Right, My doctors are terrible passion but my folks, shit ass,

944
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: we'll not tag thatrond advice.

945
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the good news is like being stubborn in

946
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: that moment, right, because if I followed my own medicine,

947
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: I would have had a pill for blood pressure. I

948
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: would have had a pill for cholesterol. I would have

949
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: had a pill for my mood disorder. I would have

950
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: a pill for anxiety. I'd be on five or six

951
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: different pills to treat five or six different diagnoses. When

952
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 3: really I had one root issue, which was that I

953
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: was flogging my gut, flogging my body with my lifestyle.

954
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: And that had to change. And so when I did

955
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 3: change it, I have to tell you, like the first

956
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: thing I did is I started making smoothies, because this

957
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: was not like a vegan transformation. This was a pro

958
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: This was a progression.

959
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

960
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 3: So I started by making smoothies and I instantly felt

961
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: like something that I had been missing came into my life.

962
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: I felt lighter, I felt energized. My athletic performance in

963
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: the gym escalated profoundly. And so and when you, I

964
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 3: know that you can relate to this, and I imagine

965
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: many of the listeners can as well. When you're not

966
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: feeling well, you just want to feel better, and these

967
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: are real feelings. And so when you feel like, hey,

968
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: I just took like a couple of steps in the

969
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: right direction, you want to stick with that. You're looking

970
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: for ways to do that. So this is how I

971
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: started from a place of humility, and where I ended

972
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 3: up is I needed to bring this into my clinic

973
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 3: because I'm the type of doctor that when I find

974
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: something that can be transformational. How could I sit there

975
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: in a room with people that I care about and

976
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: not give this to them, right, Yeah, So it led

977
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: to that. And then and then like I'm seeing people

978
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: with your old bowl syndrome, Crohn's disease, all sort of colitis,

979
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: ascid reflex they have their transformation story and you get

980
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 3: to a moment where you say, this is not good

981
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: enough for me to sit here in a practice, very successful,

982
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: very respected in my community, like a three month waiting list.

983
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: It's not enough.

984
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 3: People need to hear.

985
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: This when you've got teenagers and it came out in

986
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: the eighties or Whatever's like, beware, alcohol is.

987
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: A great way drug to marijuana, or marijuana is a

988
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: great way drug to heroin.

989
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: Like everything's a gateway to gateway to gateway, right, But

990
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: all that is is just that's the progression of the

991
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: steps that we take, and they go in both directions.

992
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: So what you mentioned, like things like just cooking for yourself,

993
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: just try that. Yeah, see checking with yourself.

994
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: Write it down. How do you feel in the morning,

995
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: how are you poos? Right?

996
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: Adding a smoothie, don't take anything out, but adding a smoothie.

997
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: This is the gateway to actually, you know what, I

998
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 2: actually feel a bit better.

999
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: I didn't have it today. I don't feel as good

1000
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: as I did. Ah, just tiny little things in the

1001
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: right direction.

1002
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: We don't have to do the full overhaul, but just

1003
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: taking a step towards that. What I do love about

1004
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: this is there's a the stakes are really really high. However,

1005
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 2: the what you're proposing doesn't seem completely out of reach.

1006
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: To eat a variety of different fruits and vegetables, it's easy.

1007
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: It's fairly easy to do most if it's just fru

1008
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: it's like they're handheld. It's right there. You don't even

1009
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: have to prep them, maybe washing a bit.

1010
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 3: I mean a blender. This is why I started with Smoothie.

1011
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: Is a blender you can get ten things in their side.

1012
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 2: Yes, I can't describe how wonderful it is to speak

1013
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: to you and have such a science backed conversation with

1014
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: someone about this stuff. But also the amount of empathy

1015
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: and understanding you have for people that might not even

1016
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: realize it. Well, like when I first started changing my diet,

1017
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: I came upon me it is like, holy shit, I'm

1018
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: only eating things that have been marketed to me.

1019
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: I haven't actually chosen. Oh what.

1020
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that I was being so heavily influenced

1021
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: by the ads on TV and the signage on the

1022
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: drive home and all that kind of stuff.

1023
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: Human not realize this happens. They have tapping their brains.

1024
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: Once I started feeding myself from outside of that system,

1025
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: things change significantly that and I read Fast Food Nation,

1026
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: which when you understand the amount of budget that goes

1027
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 2: in a food scientist and mouthfeel and things like that,

1028
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,479
Speaker 2: like the fries man, watch out for those fries.

1029
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well, I think I think that the point

1030
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: from that perspective is don't let culture, right, don't let

1031
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: culture dictate things that are so important to you. Your

1032
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: health is about as important as anything in your life.

1033
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: And we have normalized things that are very abnormal in

1034
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 3: Western culture. And it's time for us to get back

1035
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: to something that is more aligned with our body, with

1036
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: what we need. And it starts in the home, like

1037
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: allow your home to be this place of respite where

1038
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: you have your own normal and that normal leads you

1039
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 3: to thriving. Please come join me at the plant fedgot

1040
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 3: dot com where you can join my email list of

1041
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 3: have a community of about two hundred thousand people. And

1042
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: this is to me like where the conversations are happening,

1043
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: and these are free resources. They're there to help. So

1044
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: and then the last thing I just want to add

1045
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: is for anyone who's interested, I developed my own supplement company,

1046
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 3: but thirty eight terror three eight tra since for thirty

1047
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: eight trillion and literally today I received messages from people

1048
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: who had improved their psoriasis, improved their Crone's disease.

1049
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: So oh, absolutely, if there's something that I can yes,

1050
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: I know I do need to eat thirty different fridge

1051
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: and vegetables. But if like, ah, we're busy, everybody's busy.

1052
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: We've got kids, you've got kids, we're trying to work,

1053
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: keep the lights on a living in modern society. I

1054
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: have a car and motor bicycle timetimetime. If I can

1055
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: eat a product that I know is well prepared, it

1056
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: is sourced well sourcethethtically and can get the job done,

1057
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: I'll do that.

1058
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I think the thing is it's not

1059
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: from my perspective, supplements and food we need to separate.

1060
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: They're not competition for one another. You optimize your diet,

1061
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: do the absolute best that you can there, and then

1062
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 3: you ask the question, what am I missing? Ninety five

1063
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: percent of people are missing fiber right resistance starch. We're

1064
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 3: all missing holy females from fruits and vegetables, we're missing.

1065
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 3: This is where there's an opportunity to fill in those

1066
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 3: gaps because they're so important, because that's how we feed

1067
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: our gut bacteria.

1068
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: You're like Mark rober who is like so many people

1069
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: emailed me, I started a toy company because I wanted

1070
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: to build the things I build.

1071
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: You, Like so many people emailed me. I started a

1072
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: sup on my company. It's fantastic.

1073
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, love it well because this was always a part

1074
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: of my practice, but it was begrudgingly because I always

1075
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: felt like we could do so much better and we

1076
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: could use the modern science and we could third party

1077
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Speaker 3: test them like crazy for over one hundred and twenty things.

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Speaker 3: So that's the company that I created, the one that

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Speaker 3: I always thought that people deserved.

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful that you did, and thanks for doing what

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00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: you do in the world. You know, you able to

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00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: speak in a way that isn't There's a lot of

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00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 2: weird emotion around food. There's a lot of blame and

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Speaker 2: how day you tell me not to either thing that

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00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: my grandmother made for me, Like, we have a lot

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Speaker 2: of emotional attachment to food and diet styles and things

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Speaker 2: like this.

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Speaker 1: But the way the way.

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Speaker 2: You speak, I'm really grateful for because it's you're not

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Speaker 2: trying to shame anybody, and that's really important. You know,

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Speaker 2: you're not trying to make anyone feel less than you're

1092
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 2: just saying, this is the facts, do what you want

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Speaker 2: with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's really great and I love it.

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Speaker 3: Man, thanks you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: There he is doctor Bulso it's the book is called

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Speaker 2: Fiber Fueled. Thirty eight Terror is the supplement that he's

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Speaker 2: recently teamed up with.

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Speaker 1: He's actually turned up with Simon.

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Speaker 2: Hill, the Australian author, podcaster or around good looking gay

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Speaker 2: legend form a guest on this podcast to make thirty

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Speaker 2: eight Terror. So it's pretty if Simon's involved and Will's involved,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it's kind of it's not just made

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Speaker 2: up Instagram stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's like actual real stuff, which is really really good.

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Speaker 2: If you like that episode, you want to hear more

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Speaker 2: for Doctor b even have some specific questions that you

1108
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Speaker 2: might want him to answer. We're really thinking it might

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Speaker 2: be good to run some questions by him in a

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Speaker 2: future episode.

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Speaker 1: He was super cool and wanted to come back on

1112
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Speaker 1: the show sometime.

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Speaker 2: So if you have any questions about your guts, your poop,

1114
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: or anything in between, send them through. Send them through

1115
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Speaker 2: me on the substack the links in the show notes.

1116
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Speaker 1: You could also email me.

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Speaker 2: Send us your email at sendas your email at gmail

1118
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Speaker 2: dot com or also if you're in Spotify, you can

1119
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: leave a comment there. We'll see those comments as well. Again,

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Speaker 2: if you are not busy on Sunday night and in Sydney,

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Speaker 2: fly on down to Merrickville and check us out on

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Speaker 2: story Club. This is our Valentine's Day edition. We are

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00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 2: live on stage telling great stories me Rob Carlton, Zoey Norton, Lodge,

1124
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Speaker 2: Ada Ferrera, Mark Sutton, and Sean mccarliff. Two gold Logi

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Speaker 2: losers and one Lurgi winner on the same stage.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be great.

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Speaker 2: Tickets aren't that expensive, but they are almost sold out,

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Speaker 2: so get on board. The linkers in the show notes

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for being a part of it.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you back here on Monday.