1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: Gooday, Thanks for listening to the show. This is better 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: than yesterday. Useful tools and useful conversations to help make 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: your day to day better than it was yesterday. Every 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: single episode, twice a week since twenty thirteen. 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful we all here. Thanks for being here. 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: My name is Osha Ginsburg. I am a dad, I'm 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: a stepdad. I'm a first selling author, and I am 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: packing my dacks right now. You're listening to my voice 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: from a few days ago. And I thought it would 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: be interesting to do a podcast about what's going on 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: and why I am afraid right now. Because it's one 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: thing to talk about what to do when the fear 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: is upon you, and how to process fear. It's another thing. 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: And I thought, I've never done that on this show. Actually, 15 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: as it goes, I've never done it in the moment, 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: and this is an opportunity to do. 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: That because I'm scared right now. 18 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: In one hour and twelve minutes from now, I am 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: going to dive into a swimming pool and attempt to 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: swim four hundred something meters in under. I think it's 21 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: eight minutes and forty five seconds something like that. Why 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: am I doing this Wolfgang started Nippers this year and 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: if you're not from Australia, Nippers is the word we 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: use for the junior ranks of the surf life saving 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: clubs that we have here. We have a beautiful culture 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: that surrounds our beaches. The volunteer surf life savers that 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: have been in operation since nineteen oh six and depending 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: on who you believe, it's Bondo or it's Bronte. One 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: of them was the first ones. Both of those are 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: on bondou RISCy. This is the same microphone that's here. 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: A lot of Bondo rescue by the way, and so 32 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: a part of that it's a volunteer. The Red and 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: Yellow Lifeguards are the volunteer ones and they come up 34 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: through the ranks and there's various disciplines that go around lifeguarding. 35 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: There are board races, they made it competitive, and there's 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: surf boats and things like this. But it's a beautiful 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: culture and it's a community culture and it's based around 38 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: helping each other and helping people who were in trouble 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: and literally saving lives. So when if you've ever seen Nippers, 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: they start at under six, so five year olds, a 41 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: bunch of five year olds in bright pink rashvests and 42 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: little caps on their heads, or powering into the waves. 43 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: It's pretty fun, but it could go pair shape pretty 44 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: quickly because a lot of these kids have never jumped 45 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: in the surf before, and a large part of Nippers 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: is helping young people in Australia learn how to be 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: in the surf and not get in trouble and end 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: up getting narrated on an episode of Bondo Rescue by 49 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: me Georgia or our eldest. She's now twty one. She 50 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: did NIPPERS and I never ever, ever worried about her 51 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: at the ocean. I got into trouble in the surf 52 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: as late as my mid twenties because I didn't know 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: what I was doing and I wasn't able to handle 54 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: the waves and I didn't know really how it all worked, 55 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: and I had to do something about that. So anyway, 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: Wolfe started Nippers this season, and I always said to myself, 57 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: when he grows up, once he gets in the Nippers, 58 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: I want to get involved in water safety because I 59 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: want to be around the club and I want to 60 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: be able to systemize. 61 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: I want to be a part of a community. 62 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: I moved around a lot in my life, and this 63 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: is the first time since I've been with Audrey and Georgia, 64 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: this is the first time that I've felt a part 65 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: of a community. It's the longest I've lived in the 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: same area in my life other than when I left 67 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: my childhood home. And it's wonderful. It's really really wonderful 68 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: to want to be to be a part of this community, 69 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: and I want to be deeper into this community because 70 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: I feel more resilient and more connected and a part 71 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: of something bigger. The problems that I feel don't feel 72 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: as big because I'm sharing them with the people who 73 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: live around me. And this is a really wonderful way 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: to do that. And plus I want to show Wolf 75 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 1: how important it is because I want to do it too. 76 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: So to qualify to be a water safety person for 77 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: the little kids doing NIP is you have to hold 78 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: a thing at Australia called a Bronze medallion. Now it's 79 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: not an actual thing, it is a qualification level that 80 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: you have to pass, which then allows you to then 81 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: be a person who could sit on the beach and 82 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: volunteer as a lifeguard on the weekends. But that is 83 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: also the level of qualification that you need to be 84 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: on water safety for the kids, and here we are. 85 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: The first step in this course is a swim proficiency test, 86 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: and it is, as I said, swimming four hundred and 87 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: something as four hundred and twenty I think, in a 88 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: little under eight and a half minute, little around out 89 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: and a half minutes. The course itself doesn't start till January, 90 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: but it's November and they're doing the swim proficiency tests now. 91 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: I guess they want to kind of filterout the week 92 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: from the chaff. 93 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: So I signed up for this a couple of weeks 94 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: ago and Wolfe started and I was like, yes, so 95 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: here I go, Here I go. But in those ensuing weeks, 96 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: a number of things have happened. I'm an old man, 97 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm fifty one, and if you get to my age 98 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: and you don't have your shoulders are no longer referred 99 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: to as left and right, they're referred to as good 100 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: and bad. If you're not at my age, I'm referring 101 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: to your shoulders is good and bad, then I don't 102 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: know if you've lived a great life all right. Honestly, 103 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: for the ultrasound lady the other day, because my shoulder 104 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: is fucking hurting and I had to get a steroid 105 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: injection in it the other day, and the ultrasad lady said, 106 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: what have. 107 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: You done to yourself? And I said, I'm fifty one. 108 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: What do you want? Like? This is what happens? 109 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: Or you just trying to stay active and stay up 110 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: to date and stay vital and stay you know, side 111 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: by side with your kids as they go through life. 112 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: You know, if you don't look after your body, things 113 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: starts to break down. And due to some dumb stuff 114 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: I've done earlier in my life, I've managed to hurt 115 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: my shoulder a bit. So not only has my shoulder 116 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: been really bothering me to the point where like I 117 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: can't really wash my hair very well with one hand, 118 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: kind of hurting. Two weeks ago, Georgia she went to 119 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: Bali and she brought us all back a lovely souvenir 120 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: in the form of a pathogen that she got I 121 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: don't know day three or four of her trip, and 122 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: we all got Wolf and I got it like three 123 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: days after she got back, and Audrey was a day 124 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: behind us, And gastro is one of those things. 125 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: It just it's non discriminatory. 126 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: It just destroyed me Wolf and I had very similar symptoms, 127 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: but I was in trouble and so the swim proficiency 128 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: was last week actually, but I emailed the person who's 129 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: in chargement has said, I'm not going to be able 130 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: to do it. I can't, Like I'm so depleted from 131 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: this virus, from whatever's happening in my body, I cannot. 132 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm dizzy walking upstairs. I'm going to be no use. 133 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: There's no way I can do that, s whim. And 134 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: they were very kind and said, okay, well there's a 135 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: couple other people doing it, and you know, we can 136 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: meet next week on this day. And that day is 137 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: today and it is now one hour and six minutes away. 138 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: Now I haven't got in a pool and done laps 139 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: for a really long time. Of course, you can bet 140 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: there was bland for me to do it. There was 141 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: plans for me to get in the water, but of 142 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: course none of it manifested. And so I yesterday I thought, 143 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna at least just have to go getting the water. 144 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: So it's not the first time I've swum freestyle in forever. 145 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: You know, when I'm staring at a black line, let's go. 146 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: And so I went down to the pool yesterday. We're 147 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: very lucky. In our part of the city, we have 148 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: this beautiful ocean, ocean pools which are built in the 149 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: headlands of some of the sandstone rocks there. And I 150 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: jumped in the pool near our place, and I was 151 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: terrified yesterday. 152 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: I was terrified so. 153 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: Much so that I'm procrastinating, you know, getting on the 154 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: bike with my towel and everything, and I'm finding things 155 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: on the bike that need to be loosened or tightened, 156 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: and I don't get on the bike. I go over 157 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: to the toolbox and I grab one of the bike 158 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: spanners and the tighten a thing, and I check a thing, 159 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: and I grab some lubric and I was like, no, no, no, 160 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: what are you fucking doing. Just get on your bike 161 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: and ride down the beach. So I was stalling and stalling, 162 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: a selling slam and I got down there, but I know, 163 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: just keep moving, just keep moving, just breathe and keep moving. 164 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: And so I got down there and I don't have 165 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: a stop watch. I don't know how fast I went. 166 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how I did. I do know that 167 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: I was more breathless than I would like to be, 168 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: and I do know that my shoulder and my body 169 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: hurt a lot more trying to do it than I 170 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: would have liked. But it's too late now. So I'm 171 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm very, very nervous. And when I'm 172 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: nervous like this, the first thing that I find is 173 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: important to do was identify it and notice it. And 174 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: I wrote about this in the new book, so you know, 175 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: to do a quick scan. It's like, I'm noticing that 176 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: I feel a strange tension at the top of my stomach. 177 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm noticing there's a tightness in my throat. I'm noticing 178 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: my fingers are shaking a little bit. I'm noticing my 179 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: breath is a little hesitant when I breathe in. 180 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: You might've just heard it. Then there was a. 181 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't a smooth in and out breath. There was 182 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: a little spasm in the middle of it. So I'm 183 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: noticing that my diaphragm is spasm when I'm breathing. Okay, 184 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: So that's the first thing. And once you start noticing it, 185 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: now it's just a symptom. Now it's just a thing. 186 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: So even just saying that out loud, even just telling 187 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: you what I'm noticing, all of those sensations have been 188 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: turned down quite a bit, probably at least fifty or 189 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: sixty percent that's in this you're hearing the audio recording 190 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: of this happening live. The next thing to do is 191 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: to breathe, all right, So I short out exhale like 192 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: two on in two inhales and four on the exhale, 193 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: So two. 194 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: And then I'm going to do a few more of them. 195 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: Talk amongst yourselves, and one more. 196 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: And if I check those sensations I told you about 197 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: two minutes ago, they're even further down. They're still there, 198 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: but they're nowhere near what they were. The next thing 199 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to do is visualize what happens. I'm going 200 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: to stand up from this desk. I'm going to walk outside. 201 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to grab my towel off the line, going 202 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: to walk to my bicycle, Put the towel in the 203 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: bicycle bag, lock the bicycle, put my helmet on, ride 204 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: down to the beach, lock my bicycle, Get out of 205 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: my dry clothes and just leave my togs on. Jump 206 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: in the water and get warmed up. Get out, take 207 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: a bit of a breather, look around and find I'm 208 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: looking for a tall guy in a yellow hat called Michael. 209 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: When I find him, go, introduce myself, say hey, I 210 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: am Where do you want to do it? How do 211 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: you want to do it? Oh, don't forget my goggles. 212 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: I've got to ring my gobbles with me. And I'll say, 213 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: all right, where are you going to stand? Where am 214 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: I going to go? How does it work? I'll ask 215 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: him how it goes? Okay, dive in and go, and 216 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to think about making sure that I keep 217 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: my breathing. Even if I think about what I did 218 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: when I was running marathons, it wasn't who was the fastest, 219 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: it's who slowed down the least. So find a pace 220 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: that I can manage and make sure that my breathing 221 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: isn't too out of sink so I'm not hyperventilating or 222 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, starving myself of oxygen and trying 223 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: to get my rhythm right, reach really well with my arms, 224 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: make sure my kicks aren't lazy, like give my kicks 225 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: actually something, and then count the lapse backwards so I 226 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: know that when I can put the hammer down and 227 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: when I look up at the end, he's either going 228 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: to say you made it or you didn't. Now if 229 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: I made it great, if I didn't, I'll ask could 230 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: I take a break and try again. If he says, nah, mate, 231 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: then that's good information that I know what I need 232 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: to do. There's another intake for the bronze medallion in July. 233 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: It's in the middle of winter. I've got a wet suit. 234 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: I'll be fine, and I've got six months to get 235 00:11:53,760 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: that fitness and that's okay, all right, And then I'll 236 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: get back on my bike and I'll ride home. 237 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: And I'm not even. 238 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: Lying to you. In the space of this conversation. The 239 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: tension and the shakiness in my hands is now gone. 240 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: The feeling at the top of my stomach is still 241 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: a little bit there. My throats are a bit tight. 242 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: But if I just remember that I've done all I 243 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: can do. I can't get fitter in the next forty minutes. Actually, no, 244 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: it's thirty five minutes. No, it's less cracky. Yes, it's 245 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: not far. I can't get fitter in this amount of time. 246 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: All I can do is breathe make sure I find 247 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: a pace in a rhythm that I can sustain. 248 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: And do my best. 249 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: Now, did I make it or not? You're about to 250 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: hear an ad break. It might be a couple of 251 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: seconds for you. But I'm going to stop recording. I'm 252 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: going to go do this thing, and I'm going to 253 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: come back and tell you how it went, because you 254 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: can't be where you can't see, and like, I'd never 255 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: heard anybody processing anything like this in my life. I've 256 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: never heard someone else talk through it in real time, 257 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: and so I really hope this is useful. 258 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: But I can honestly tell you that. 259 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: Just those things that I've described to you have made 260 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: a huge difference in my body and have helped me 261 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: get out of the what if and the catastrophe and 262 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm not fit enough. I'm not going 263 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: to make it. So if I make it great, if 264 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: I don't great, either way, I'll get to go and 265 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: have a swim at an ocean pool in the middle 266 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: of a day. That's nice, all right, Sit tight, I'll 267 00:13:53,920 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: be right back. Well, I clearly sound very different to 268 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: how I did just before. 269 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: So I am now down the beach and I only 270 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: just out of the pool, and. 271 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: The goal was four hundred and twenty meters and eight 272 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: minutes forty. 273 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: Five and I was at hang on, just show it 274 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: about what was it? 275 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: It was? 276 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I did four hundred and twenty meters in 277 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: ten minutes and twenty three seconds. 278 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: So I'm a whole. 279 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: Five. So I'm ninety seconds out. I'm ninety seconds too slow. 280 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm down the beach now and the Joshadow car jbl 281 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: On Wheels is rolling in. 282 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: To bring some vibe to the ocean pool. It's beautiful day. 283 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: It's it's thirty one thirty two degrees and the sun 284 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: shining and. 285 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 3: Swells up. It's glorious. 286 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: But I swear my guards out. I got down here, 287 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: I warmed up. I met the guy. It's a lovely chap. 288 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: Our kids are in the same age group at nippers. 289 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: There was a couple other people I recognize. One of 290 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: my neighbors is in there, another lady. 291 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: These guys have got tumble turns and stuff. Man, I 292 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: really need. 293 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: To work on that. 294 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: I've got in the pool and I can tell. 295 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: Ah man. 296 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: I tried to get on top of the nerves, but I. 297 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: Knew though I wasn't going fast enough. So unfortunately I 298 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: pushed it and I thought I'm either going to I'm 299 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: going to vomit, or I'm going to be okay. So 300 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: I managed to not vomit, but it was definitely I 301 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: was pushing that hard. But he was very sweet about it. 302 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: He goes, you're over, mate, you're over. You're about ninety 303 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: seconds over. 304 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: So okay, I guess it's all right. We'll do another 305 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: one before the end of January. But you know, the 306 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: course starts. Just get in the pool, Get in the pool. 307 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: Who was very encouraging, and I really I'm really grateful 308 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: for the way that he taught me through it because 309 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: it's clear that I'm not at the cardoff so I 310 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: need to be for the fitness level that it needs 311 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: to be to do. 312 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: This thing, which is fair enough. 313 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: If your volunteer life savers get paffed, that's not good. 314 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: You want your volunteer life savers to have a level 315 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: of fitness about him, you know what I mean. So 316 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: I get it, but so in the same way that 317 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: there's a disappointment. But it's not. 318 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: A situation where I'm. 319 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: Like, oh, what a total failure. 320 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: I fuck this, it's all over, which is definitely something 321 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: that would have happened when I was a younger man. No, 322 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: this is a okay, Well, there's there's a target to 323 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: aim at, there's something to head for, and I know 324 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: from when I was running. If my running times were 325 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: slower after a period of inactivity, just how quickly they 326 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: come back. How quickly you can recondition yourself into fitness 327 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: is something that you can't underestimate. 328 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 3: But it just requires a consistency. 329 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 1: And so if anything, when he says you're a bit over, mate, 330 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: we're going to do another one again in January. 331 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: So I didn't realize there was going to be another 332 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 3: one of the end of January. So that's nice. 333 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: But now I've got a little over two months and 334 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: I know where I need to go. It's always good 335 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: to have a target to aim for, so I know where. 336 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: I need to go, I know where my. 337 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: Times need to get to, I know how I've got 338 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: a feel when I get to various parts of the swim, 339 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: and now I know, and that is really an enormous relief. 340 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: Because now I I know what to do. I told 341 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: you earlier this could have ended in two ways, either 342 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: get it or. 343 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: I don't, but I didn't realize it was a third way. 344 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: I didn't realize you could not get it, and you 345 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: get another chance to try again, and it actually. 346 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: Feels really good. 347 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: I was legitimately quite afraid before, and I had a 348 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: lot of nervous attention and a lot of anxiety, which 349 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: may have affected me, but I don't think it affected 350 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: me as much as my general lack of fitness. However, 351 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: it does kind of remind me of when it throw 352 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: all our hip surgery stuff and the doctor that really 353 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: really really helped me. Here's one that just explained to 354 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: me is like, look, once you get a diagnosis, you 355 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: get a plan. As soon as you know that a 356 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: plan exists, things feel a lot better because at least 357 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: you know that you've got somewhere to go. And now 358 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: I know I've got somewhere to go, I know how 359 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: I want to get there, I don't know what I 360 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: need to do to get there, and there's a huge. 361 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: Chance of relief. It's nice. 362 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm very lucky to live in a country that values 363 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: looking after each other, the point where you're having an 364 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: entire volunteer organization dedicated. 365 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 3: To helping people enjoy the beach safely. 366 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: It's wonderful to sit here and watch the waves break 367 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: over the rocks, and the crabs cool around, and people 368 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: enjoy themselves out in the sun. 369 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: Have a beautiful week. I see you back here Wednesday. 370 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go do some ones,