WEBVTT - Outsiders | 13 April 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:17.520 This is outsiders, good morning and welcome to outsiders. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.599 Oops, did I just say good morning? 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.880 So let's talk about where the word good morning originated from? 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:27.360 Good morning? 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.560 All right, So during slavery times when the women used 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.080 to mourn about their child being taken away and sold 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.720 to a different slave master, or if one of the 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:41.720 family members did something that resulted until them getting whipped 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.479 or killed. Most of these things used to happen in 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.360 the evening time, so the white oppressors came up with 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.239 good morning as a mockery towards black people during the 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.120 slavery times when they used to cry and mourn and grieve. 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.800 Yes, apparently the expression good morning doesn't mean good morning 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.160 at all. It actually means good morning with a you, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.240 and it is of course racist. 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.360 All he did was take the U off of so 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.399 nobody would think about what it really originated from. It 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.720 was really a markery tours black sleeves. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.440 That sounds dreadful. On the other hand, perhaps according to 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:27.520 the Oxford English Dictionary, the expression good morn first appeared 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.399 in Middle English in the fourteenth century in Sir Gawayne 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.040 and the Green Knight. But you know, you can take 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:34.480 your pick. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:40.160 That was their way of being funny good morning everyone. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.880 Luckily here in Australia we just say gooday instead, so 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.320 much easy. Maybe the Yanks can start saying gooday as well. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.840 In the meantime, let's grab the latest Outsiders news. 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:59.880 Well Rita and freyer weird. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.640 I've been calling on this show for Jacenter Price to 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.840 reappear on the front of the election campaign, as she 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:10.840 did so successfully in the coalition's most successful electioneering probably 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.960 since John Howard's days, which was of course The Voice. 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:18.720 Rita Jasenta finally reappeared and of course the lefts, the 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.359 lefties went crazy and attacked her. 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.600 They did, but this time instead of backing her to 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:31.000 the hilt, it seems like her own party capitulated and 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.720 forced her to also take a backwards step. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.079 This is mad, mad stuff. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.959 It's exactly what you would expect. It's what we saw 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:45.120 during the Voice campaign. Everything she said was challenged by 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.840 the likes of the ABC mister represented or presented in 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.640 some sinister light, and we saw how ineffective that was. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:57.040 But the Coalition is spooked and after she talked about 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.160 making Australia great again, they went in to meltdown mode 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.400 because comparisons with Donald Trump were made by the ABC 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:09.520 and the Guardian and other leftist media, and it really 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:14.120 is just shows you how infantile our politics is. We 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.320 know we can mock other countries, but what's happening in 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.760 this country right now is it's had embarrassing. 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:21.000 Well, let's take a look. Ray. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:22.760 I don't know if you saw this, but this was 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.000 just Enterprise in Wa with Peter Dutton. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.919 I'm so proud to be able to stand beside and 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.880 to ensure that we can make Australia rate again, that 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.440 we can bring Australia back towards former glory, that we 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.400 can get Australia back on track. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.440 No, if I said that, I don't even realize I 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:43.800 said that. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:48.800 But no, I'm an Australian and I want to ensure 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.360 that we get Australia back on track. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:51.160 Absolutely. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.880 So let's be very very clear the media. You're all 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:56.040 obsessed with Donald Trump. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:56.600 We're not. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:58.600 We're not obsessed with Donald Trump. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.840 We're actually obsessed with ensuring that we can improve the 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.840 circumstances for Australians. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.720 We're governing for Australians. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:09.640 So, Fred, I don't know what you made of that, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.160 but for me, just center price is the best communicator 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.680 the coalition have bar none head and shoulders above the rest. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.240 She said make Australia great again, and then of course 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.480 the left turned on her and turned at the press conflint, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.080 Why did you say make Australia again? My thing would be, 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.320 what you don't want to make Australia great again? Surely 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.480 that is the most important part of the coalition's election campaign. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.160 We've had three years of a disastrous alban Easy hard 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.279 left government. Of course we want to make Australia great again. 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.839 That is what Just Enterprise should have been allowed to say. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.560 Freya Well, I don't think she even meant to say 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.360 it like. It wasn't as though she was channeling Donald Trump. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.799 If you hear how she was speaking, she was talking 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.960 about a range of things. We've got to get Australia 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.400 back on track, improve the country, you know, take it 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.520 back from the radical leftist Anthony Albanesi government. She wasn't 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:59.520 trying to repeat the Trump slogan. It's just a catchy 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.680 slogan that we can all relate to. So it's not 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.279 as though she was channeling Trump. And this is the 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.960 left wing media again. They are trying to make this 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:13.040 election about Trump, because if you have seen in Canada, 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.160 the Canadian Conservatives looked like they were going to win 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.640 the election, and now all of a sudden they're tanking 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.440 in the polls, even after fourteen years of left wing government, 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.800 because they're scene is too aligned with Trump, and so 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.880 now Canadians are rejecting them, and the ABC and the 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.960 left wing media want to bring that here Peter Dutton 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.080 with the same brush as Trump and go see, if 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.839 you vote for Dutton, you're voting for Trump, and they 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.719 know that that won't be popular with a lot of Australian. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:41.839 I disagree with you there, Reta. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:47.640 Well, yeah, I think any comparisons with Trump are grossly unfair. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.719 On Donald Trump has actually done the work. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.320 He actually put his life on the line. He suffered 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.080 all sorts of law fare, he had his businesses attacked, 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:02.920 his livelihood. He is a very liberty attack and through 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:07.720 it all he was articulating bold policy positions that he 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.760 has been consisted on for years. So when he went 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.800 to election, everybody knew what the choices were. The problem 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.799 we've got without election is I think the great majority 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.640 of Australians who are not living and breathing politics every 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.080 day don't know what the differences between these two parties are. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.000 And if you don't believe that we should make Australia 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.960 great again, that there is actually things to repair, serious 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.839 things to repair, then why would you advocate for changing 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.839 the Albanese government. If you are the coalition, you actually 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.880 need to make the case of why we need significant 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.279 change right now. They're not making that case. It's too 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.680 much of me too. You know, it's not going to 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.520 be a dramatic change. We're just better economic managers. That 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.120 is not a winning argument. You want to change a 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.400 first term government, you better make a compelling taste of 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.920 the Australian people of what's wrong in the country and 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.880 what we need to change to get the country looking 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.760 the way you want. And if that is represented by 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.840 the words make Australia great again, that shouldn't be some 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:17.000 sort of you know, no, it shouldn't be in terminology 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.200 that you have to back away from. 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.800 I want to pick you up on that Freyra in 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.640 a second, but I just want to play you the reaction. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.080 From Labor to these so called remarks. Let's have a listen. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:35.040 They've been here making some rather strange comments and policies 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.120 as well, trying to borrow from another country. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:39.400 What we know. 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:45.000 What we know is Australians, is that we don't need 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:49.760 to borrow from anyone because here we are building the 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.720 fairest country on Earth, the most prosperous country on Earth, 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:55.600 and the best country on Earth. 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.600 I think they said the quiet bit out loud Peter 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.920 Dutton's campaign to be Prime Minister just to cut and 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.400 paste from the United States. First he cut and paste 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.840 their policies. Now he's cutting and pasting their slogans. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.400 You see. I wish that were the case, Jason. 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.040 I wish that lever parties had cut and pasted Donald 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.600 Trump's campaign because then they would be winning. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.960 And my problem, prayer is that when. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.200 People start to go, oh no, the coalition, shouldn't you 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.720 know Poaliev's lost because he's too close to Trump. Firstly, 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.360 that that's not true because Pualiev has always had a 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:33.320 difficult relationship with Trump. But here in Australia, there's no 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.439 evidence whatsoever that the public don't support Donald Trump, and 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.600 that the Coalition should not have gone one hundred percent 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.079 down the Trump route because all the same issues are here. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.480 If as Rita says, we are to get rid of 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:51.240 this horrible left wing government. Albaneze is Joe Biden. Look 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.359 at the comparisons. They can barely stand on stage together. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.439 With tripping over each other. They can barely speak the 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:58.719 Queen's English. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:03.320 Both of them are hard left buffoons. And the Trump 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.840 agenda of attacking wokeness was the key for the coalition 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.480 to win this campaign and they refuse to do it. 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.640 But a part of the well, there is some truth 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.240 in that. But also we have to remember the two 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.480 key reasons people voted for Trump were inflation, cost of 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.920 living and illegal immigration. Think about what is it the one? 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.319 In fact, in all the research it showed that was 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:35.200 number one for the independent voters. So that was underplayed greatly. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.559 Now I not agree with you. I agree with you. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:44.000 On there being no negative connotations because our media is unique. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:49.560 I'm talking about the most Australians who this is what 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.120 they absorb and they don't really other than programs like this, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.280 or if they're online and they're seeing things on social media, 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:01.720 most of what they consume about Donald Trump is hysterical, false, 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.640 far left idiocy, even when it comes from some supposedly 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.000 right leaning commentators. 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.000 So that's the perception that's. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.760 Out there so that I can understand why they're worried 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.240 about that. But a work of a coalition or any 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.560 sort of conservative force in this country should be to 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.200 articulate the policy positions and to fight on them. And 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.280 if they actually did that, if they actually took the 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.480 Trump agenda, forget about him. But if they looked at 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:30.559 things like cost of living, the inflation issue, they looked 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:34.400 at the culture war issues. These are significant issues. Is 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.360 about the values of a country. They're not trivial, and 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.920 if they fought on them, they would have a fighting chance. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:45.480 But they are so scared, they're so terrified to even 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.120 be have that comparison made that they are just the 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.640 back foot. And that is not how you win as 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:57.800 an opposition. You need to be in attack mode every single. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.240 Day, one hundred percent. And that's my point. This is 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.800 what I'm talking about. The Donald Trump playbook. Not Donald Trump, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.199 but the Donald Trump playbook. The most successful ad that 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.720 Trump won was the one attacking Kamala Harris on They 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:16.199 then us, we stand for you. The coalition could have 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.480 just done that and won the cultures, but instead they 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.679 walked away from Donald Trump like his toxic right from 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.800 the word goo. The first thing Peter Dutton said was 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.800 after Trump's victory, Peter Dutton should have said, what. 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.959 A fantastic day for the world. 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.240 Instead he came out and he said, oh, there's no 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.120 need to be afraid of a Donald Trump. Thinking, no, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.080 we should be embracing the Trump victory and not playing 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.520 on Labour's ground because you, as Rita said, the media 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.560 are entirely painting Trump as a problem. You speak to 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.079 average Australians out there and you actually have a discussion 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.080 with him, Rita, you're going to be talking about Bill 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:53.800 Maher's amazing Trump dinner and conversion. The Coalition should have 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.160 embraced Trump, not being scared of him. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:56.920 That's my point. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.360 Yeah, well, I think Trump has done some great things 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.800 and I think especially like raining and government waste, that's 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.360 an example where the Coalition has taken up that position. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:14.040 The walks back around that enterprise every day. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.560 She should be out there saying we've discovered this ways, 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.679 that ways, here's another ten million, here's another one hundred million, 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:20.480 where's the way. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.520 There is so much more scope in Australia to actually 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.720 tackle this stuff than even America. The racial politics that 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.040 we've had shoved down our throats in this country that 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.280 the Australian is just rejected in a referendum. Have you 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.680 heard anything about that from the coalition? That could have 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.079 been another plank to. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.160 This, the waste of money cap Sorry I interrupted you. 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.360 No, Well, I think that's right, and I think what 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.040 we have to do is keep bringing up the Voice 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:49.080 to Parliament referendum because that is a concrete reminder of 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.240 the actual ideology driving the Labor government. It is radical, 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:58.239 it is socialist, it is trying to fundamentally remake Australia 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:03.480 and our institutions in their kind of critical race theory lens, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.160 and so that has to be brought up time and 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.559 time again. We cannot let Australians forget. But it's interesting 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.800 I feel like over the last two months Australians have 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.160 forgotten the last three years and they've kind of just 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:22.679 started accepting the Labor remind well, exactly exactly well to. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.079 Think Australians are forgotten, and it seems many members of 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.839 the opposition have also forgotten because I have not seen 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:35.320 such a lack luster campaign. We complained, while some of 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.199 us complained on this panel. There was a bit of argument, 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.640 but I thought it was absolutely shameful that it took 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.440 the Liberal Party ten months to oppose the Voice formally 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.280 that we remember they're on the fans more detail, weren't 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.640 quite sure when on principle they should have rejected that 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.240 toxic ideology, and they don't have ten months now. They 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.240 needed to come out fighting. They needed to be very 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.400 clear and who they were, what they stood for, and 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.200 how that is different from labor because at the end 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.280 of the day, you're asking Australians to throw out a 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.840 first term government. Australians don't easily do that without good cause. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:18.920 So you better articulate what's wrong in this country, how 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.280 much worse it's going to get under Anthony alb and 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.880 easy and we're not seeing that. We have a new 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.480 policy announcement today. We'll talk to Senator alexanderik about that later. 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.320 More money up to twelve hundred dollars for households in 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.280 a tax rebate, you know. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.640 What, buying votes. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.080 We should be a bit more sophisticated than that. Both 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.120 parties can play that game. Both parties are playing that game. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.440 It's the easy cost of living election. But the way 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.760 the Libs have approached that thus far, I'm not surprised 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.160 the polls are turning against them. They really need to 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.240 and it's showing. It's fracturing on the right. They've lost 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.840 primary vote and that primary vote hasn't gone to Labor, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.840 it's gone to mind. And that is again those alarm 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.640 bells that were ringing when Turnbull was in power and 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.960 also when Morrison went to the election last time. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.360 And the point is that on issues you have to 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.800 fight in an election, that you have to slam your 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:13.920 opponent into the ground. 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.000 You can't be agreeing with your opponent. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.280 And my point Frey is that on two fundamental issues 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:24.240 Trump and net zero, the Coalition, rather than going have 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:29.000 denied themselves the ability to go head on against Labor. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.360 So we saw the debates, so the three great debates 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.680 here on Sky News Australia terrific. The standout was of 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.400 course Angus Taylor and the financial debate against Jim Chalmers. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:40.480 Jim Chalmers looked like. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.160 A complete buffoon, clueless, didn't know what he was doing. 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.240 Angus Taylor slammed him because he had his facts and 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:47.840 his figures. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.800 But the trouble is if we're wandering around so by 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.640 refusing to get out of Paris and say no to 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.320 net zero. The Coalition have just got their hands behind 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.800 their back. They've tied both their shoelacers together, that kind 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:06.000 of stuff, that handkerchief in their mouth against this mad, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.840 insane ideology. And I would say it's the same with Trump. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.520 They should have seen this coming and they should have 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.480 gone hang on. So they're going to try and paint 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.000 us as the Trumpers. We've got two choices, and only 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.080 two choices. We either go you bet we are and 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.360 you're not and that's why you cannot cope in the 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.760 existing world going ahead, or yeah, oh sorry, Jacenta didn't 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.880 mean to say what, Oh yeah, make Australia. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.960 Oh do we mean Australia you know? I mean you 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.680 can't win an election by being timid. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.440 Yes, But then also maybe we're not giving them enough 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.240 credit for some of the things they have differentiated themselves 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.800 on the Voice campaign. Standing under one Flag Voice is. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:51.400 Done in Dustin, but Novant more about standing under one 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:57.320 flag taking reforming the Migration Act so you could actually 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.240 more easily deport criminals. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.920 Who can, especially anti Semitic crimes in Australia. There are 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.480 multiple policies for gas plan nuclear. There are cutting one 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.920 hundred billion dollars of waste, opposing the billions that they're 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.879 going to spend on building new transmission lines for renewables. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:21.040 There are definitely points of difference, but yeah, a couple 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:21.440 of those. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:25.600 You mentioned having a referendum so we can deport people 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.320 who make anti Semitic comments. The last thing this country 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.280 wants is another referendum. That was I think one of 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.159 the dumbest policies that the coalition. 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.400 But it doesn't have to be a referendum. You can 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:36.320 also just amend the. 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:40.080 My way it was presented was talk about another referendum, 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.080 and I think that's why they haven't mentioned it since, 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:43.760 because because no one. 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.720 Wants a referendum. 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.760 Okay, we're going to have this as a great conversation. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.760 Was to have more on it short later on in 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.520 the show. But let's go now to America. So the 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:58.080 center of the American Experiment, president himself, John Heindreka joins 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.840 us now editor of the brilliant power Line blog. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.440 John, great to see you as always. 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.439 Now we want to just touch on things to do 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.640 with Trump and tariffs, but just give us your thoughts. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:15.640 There's you know, been our tariffs were on and they're off. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.440 I think I've always said the goal is China, Communist China, 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.280 and that's what it's all about. And I think finally 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.639 we have a president or a leader of the free 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.520 world who said, Okay, enough of the cheating, enough of 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.760 the ripping everybody off, enough of the stealing intellectual property, 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.520 enough of all of this thievery and not playing by 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.960 the rules. You can only have a rules based order, 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.960 a world, rules based order, if everybody plays by the rules. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:42.879 It's obvious to me, and Trump is tackling this. 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:44.960 John Am I correct. 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.480 Ron, you are absolutely right. You know there are two 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.000 factions on trade in the White House. You got the 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.680 tariff hawks, led by Peter Navarro, and they basically don't 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:59.760 like it international trade. They want tariffs forever, high tariffs forever. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.159 And then you have the tariff doves, led by the 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.880 Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bissent and others, and they 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:11.919 view tariffs as a negotiating tool ultimately to get better, 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.679 fairer trade deals for the United States. But they're not 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.679 hostile to international trade. But the point you make is 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:24.520 exactly correct. The real issue here is not trade with Australia. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.359 It's not even trade with the EU. It is trade 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.880 with China, and for national security reasons, the United States 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:37.400 must end its dependence on Chinese manufacturing. We can't run 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:42.040 our military as things stand right now without goods from China. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.719 We can't. China is producing our pharmaceuticals for US. They 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.480 could cut them off, you know, at any time. And 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.520 so that's the change that really needs to be made, 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.719 and that the Trump administration is in the process of baking. 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.960 Well, the supply China issues are significant, and I think 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.160 we found that out through COVID just how dependent all 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.280 our economies have become on China for vital goods. 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.160 But China is exposed here. 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.479 The US is in a position where, yeah, China can 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.000 slap tariffs on US products. The US's economy only eleven 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.760 percent is represented by exports. It's a very low percentage 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.400 compared to China and most other countries. 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.640 Is this the chance, the only chance we. 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.960 Have to bring China into line to make it behave 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.920 like a good global citizen, because, as Rowan said, they 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.040 steal intellectual property, they play by their own rules that 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:44.520 are rogue nation when it comes to economic policy. How 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.960 do you see this ending. Who's going to blink first? 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.760 Well, Rita you know, China is being very aggressive right now. 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:58.480 They're being aggressive economically, but they're also being aggressively aggressive militarily, 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.720 and time is not on their side. And the next 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:05.240 what is it, fifty years, forty years, China's population is 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.919 going to decline by fifty percent, and so there's a 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.760 real danger that they think their time is now to 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:17.560 do things like invade Taiwan and to extend hegemony over 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.520 over much of the world. This is a very serious situation, 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.640 and I think in the neck of time, the Trump 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:28.320 administration is really trying to shore up our position visa 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.080 each China and weaken them as an adversary. 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:36.320 And there's something called Ferguson's law which states that once 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.840 a great power starts spending more on interest payments on 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.199 debt than they do on defense, they won't be a 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.920 great power for very long. So do you think that 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.159 plays into it at all? Last year was the first 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:51.679 time they spent more on interest than on defense. Is 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.960 the tariff scheme about raising more money so they can 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.200 start to pay down the debt and get those interest 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:58.000 payments down. 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.640 Well, maybe to some extent, but I think more fundamentally 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.080 doge the effort to bring their federal budget under control 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.200 is about having the money to spend where we need 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.040 to spend it, and above all, that is our national defense. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.280 It is an absolute embarrassment that we have a thirty 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:20.160 five trillion dollar national death that drew by two trillion 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.680 dollars last year, and we're spending more on interest than 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.480 we are on national defense. And so I think the 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:30.040 real impetus behind the effort to cut down on wasteful 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:34.040 government spending is to have the ability to spend that 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.080 money where we really need it, and that is national defense. 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.320 John I heard in Congress, I think it was yesterday 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:44.040 day before, they were talking about Australia specifically and talking 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:48.320