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Speaker 1: High Scrollers is produced on gadigul Land.

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Speaker 2: We pay our respects to the traditional custodians of this country.

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Speaker 2: An elder's past and present.

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Speaker 3: Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what I'm absolutely sick of. This might be

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Speaker 2: a close friends Matt's rand of the Week. Play the

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Speaker 2: track Hannah MAT's rid of the Week that's around in

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Speaker 2: the week. We really got to do something about that.

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Speaker 3: I reckon it's here to stay. No one's given me

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Speaker 3: any feedback on it.

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Speaker 2: Really. I get quite a few comments that it's on

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Speaker 2: Spotify as well. Sometimes I check the comments on our

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Speaker 2: episode and then we'll go fuck that off. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: I've got a bit of a rant, right, so you know,

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Speaker 2: circles hair?

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Speaker 1: He follows me back.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what isn't let me look it up.

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Speaker 2: Circles hair. We've all seen the lady.

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Speaker 1: Is it Charlene?

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Speaker 2: Maybe? Why don't you play one of the videos for

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Speaker 2: everybody so they can have a listen to what she

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Speaker 2: sounds like?

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Speaker 3: Circles of hair, which is funny because I thought it

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Speaker 1: What is circles of hair mean?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like curls or maybe.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, let's play one of her videos.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to do some hair extensions today and yep,

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Speaker 2: do you want to go really quite long?

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Speaker 1: I kind of like to come up to about here.

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Speaker 1: Normally I reckon.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, it's the one with the PERM lady.

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Speaker 1: Where's the Charlene Lee.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Charlene Lee.

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Speaker 3: Let me go to her account because I was on

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Speaker 3: the Circles account. I didn't realize she had her account.

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Speaker 3: I always thought I was just watching the Circles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Charlene Lee, Charlene Raylen.

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Speaker 2: Kathleen Darlene, Tessa, Rea, ray Ne Craig.

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Speaker 1: What video do you want me to play?

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Speaker 2: Perm?

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Speaker 1: Is the perm one Pinned Poodle Perm?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Your budget was about fifteen hundred dollars. Yeah, so you're

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Speaker 3: probably looking at about fifteen hundred yep.

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Speaker 2: So that video went game busters if.

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Speaker 1: You seven hundred and thirty thousand likes.

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Speaker 2: Which is crazy because people hate the video. So for

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Speaker 2: to get that many lights, how many views does it have?

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Speaker 1: Go back on the thirteen point one million?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So basically they're known for their really high prices.

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Speaker 2: That lady was getting a PERM fifteen hundred dollars. I've

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Speaker 2: six hundred dollars. So the Internet has gone rips into

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Speaker 3: And I think like it's she's very honest with like

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Speaker 3: And I think she knows what she's doing, Like she

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like, I don't know, I.

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Speaker 3: Just think it's like an internet TikTok mentality to go

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Speaker 3: And again, I think it just comes down to like

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Speaker 2: How dare you? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: But I think it's when you know, business owners put

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Speaker 2: No, you make a very valid point.

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Speaker 3: Because if it was a guy, oh maybe, Like I

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Speaker 2: But I think I have seen that's Actually think about

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Speaker 1: Go, oh, that's Wade, He's an award winning hair Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't think people would have a problem.

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Speaker 1: I think it's women.

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Speaker 2: Wow, this is what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Like a few weeks back on another episode about like.

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Speaker 3: Women in business, women in leadership not being taken seriously

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Speaker 3: instead of people being like, good on you, Charlene, She's

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Speaker 1: Millions of fucking dollars. She's open about her money.

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Speaker 3: She talks about her sales, she talks about how much

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Speaker 3: all of her stock costs. She's transparent. She's a woman

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Speaker 1: Shit on that. Yeah, and it's it's just the same.

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Speaker 3: Like, man makes five million dollars in his first year

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Speaker 3: of business, round of applause. Woman makes five million dollars

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Speaker 1: Oh what an attention seeker? Don't talk about money?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whoa blows my mind?

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Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, even as like a female founder myself, why

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Speaker 3: Our revenue every year is eight figures. But I feel uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, God blowing my mind over here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is why, Like in the episode whenever ago,

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Speaker 3: you look into it. And like Charlene gets absolutely shitted on,

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Speaker 3: and like I understand it, Like fifteen hundred dollars on

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Speaker 2: Because if it's expensive, don't go there. If it's out

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Speaker 1: But they probably wouldn't have even went there anyway, because

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Speaker 2: Will that's right. But then my thing is why you're

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Speaker 2: It's like when people are really concerned about it's on

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Speaker 2: does me being fat affect your life whatsoever? Like why

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Speaker 2: does me spending money affect your life? If I want

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Speaker 2: a perm why is that any of your fucking business?

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Speaker 2: Why is that concerning of you.

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Speaker 3: Living where everyone's god like if you really want to

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Speaker 2: But then you've got people saying, no one actually cas

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Speaker 2: what you do, Like, just do work because no one cares.

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Speaker 2: I've always been like, everyone fucking cares. Everyone fucking has

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Speaker 2: an opinion, everyone cares about everything. Everyone actually is judging

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Speaker 2: twenty four or seven judge Judy bang bang bitch, Like

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Speaker 2: everyone is judging, everyone actually cares. That whole sentiment that

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Speaker 2: like no one cas and like dance like no one

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Speaker 2: is watching because no one actually.

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Speaker 1: Cas they do, And especially on.

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Speaker 2: Taktok, what reality are you living in where no one cares?

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like no one can breathe without someone

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Speaker 3: The book tour that we did a while ago, because

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Speaker 2: Someone messaged me not long ago, goes, do you remember

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Speaker 3: I think, like on the topic of saying like people

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Speaker 2: And on the flip side, or you know, you always

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the people always comment that like, no idea who

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Speaker 2: People reckon influencers that are dying art. Nah, I'm thinking, Joel,

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Speaker 2: They're not going anywhere anytime soon because people are still,

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Speaker 2: Well you what are you doing having a whip meeting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just talking to the girls at work at

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Speaker 1: I think we should. It's been Anna's nodding that we have.

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Speaker 1: She's got to go edit.

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