1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Sitsy and with Her with Kate Ritchie podcast got a 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: very special guest in the studio. 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 2: He's a pediatrician over eighteen years experience in working with 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 2: children in a number of settings. His clinical and research 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: interests include child development, mental health discipline, improving health literacy, 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: and promoting community engagement to support families. His name is 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: doctor Billy Garvey and he joins us now doctor Billy. 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 3: Fucking on the show. You know you're getting old when 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: you realize that the people who are telling you what 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 3: to do with your children are younger than. 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: You, Doctor Billy. 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 4: Can I ask because it seems to me almost it's 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 4: not a cop out, but obviously there's a consistency there 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 4: where people will go, oh, yeah, little girls three to 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 4: four they do that. Oh little boys at the age 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 4: of a round eight they go through this. You know, 17 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 4: these sorts of labeling and age brackets that kids have. 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 4: I don't like that because when I look at my 19 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 4: little girl's behavior and she's three, I don't like thinking 20 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: that's just what happens. But at the moment, the kicking 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 4: and the screaming and a lot not less like it's 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 4: hurtful as a parent, where at the end of the day, 23 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 4: you sit back and think, why am I not connecting 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 4: with her? Because she's not listening to me, and therefore 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 4: I start to feel distant and you feel like a 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 4: bad parent. Fix all of that, doctor, Billy. 27 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, great, well let's swing into that. So does 28 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 5: a reason for that, And that's just your child doesn't 29 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 5: have the skills yet to know how to kind of 30 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 5: get their needs met in a more successful right and communicate. 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 5: So what we do is we guide them where you 32 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 5: think about cool, what's going on for her? And as 33 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 5: hard as it is, and you often can't do this 34 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 5: because you're stressed and you're like, I'm late to work, 35 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 5: I've just made this amazing meal and you're throwing it 36 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 5: back at me or whatever. Yeah, but trying to put 37 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 5: yourself in their shoes is a really good move to 38 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 5: that might be going on for them. 39 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 3: But in saying, in going back to what you were saying, Whipper, 40 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: do you think that most kids that things can be 41 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: categorized like there are developmental stages. 42 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 5: The stages they go through, and that can be really 43 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 5: helpful in understanding that one of the biggest walls that 44 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 5: parents hit is the expectation they have is too high. 45 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 5: So if you're kind of like expecting a three or 46 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 5: four year old to understand you perspective, you're kidding yourself. 47 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 5: It's never going to happen. They haven't got to that 48 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 5: stage in development yet. If you're expecting a primary school 49 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 5: age kid to be able to kind of reflect on 50 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 5: their emotions and things like that, you're well beyond their capacity. 51 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: The big one at the moment. 52 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: I've got a nine year old and he has he's 53 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: pushing the boundary with being a little bit of a 54 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: smart ass. The other day he said to me, well, 55 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: Mummy said to me, I've got to sleep over at 56 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: Joel's house on Friday night. Well remember the last time 57 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: you're on the iPad for a long time. And he goes, yeah, 58 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: and I'll probably do it again. 59 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: And I just went. 60 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: But I said to him, I took a deep breath 61 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: and I said, mate, you know what, you're being a 62 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: bit disrespectful to daddy at the moment, and I feel 63 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: really sad about it. And don't get me wrong, I 64 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: don't react like. 65 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: That all the time. Sometimes I can raise my voice, 66 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: but I don't want to be yelling at the kids 67 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: all the time. 68 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 5: No, And yeah, I mean you're not. It's important that 69 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 5: sometimes you show them emotions though, don't kind of set 70 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 5: a bar for yourself. But I can never get angry. 71 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 5: I'd better not yell because then they go up going, 72 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 5: Oh it's bad if I do that. Yes, So you 73 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 5: just got to make sure you're roll all the recovery 74 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 5: as well. That you're like, Hey, I got really annoyed 75 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 5: at you before. It's just because I'm stressed. I went 76 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 5: for a run. I've come back and had a chance 77 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 5: to realize about it. I wasn't thinking about your perspective. Hey, 78 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 5: I know you're annoyed. I know you want the iPad, 79 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 5: but and kids often need a hook. Kids are very 80 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 5: kind of reward sensation seeking. So you're like, I'm going 81 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 5: to help you with however much help you need for this, 82 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 5: because in a month's time, we're going to do this 83 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 5: thing where we celebrate how amazing you're doing it reading, 84 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 5: and we're going to build towards that. And you kind 85 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 5: of make a plan. Kids are like very purposefully. Their 86 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 5: role is to push against boundaries and test them. 87 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 3: I do have two questions for you, one real quick 88 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: one that you might be able to answer in schools 89 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: these days, and I have this conversation within my family 90 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: quite a lot. Is there seems to be the habit 91 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: of congratulating all of the children and giving everyone an 92 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: award and everyone's a winner. Is there a black and 93 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: white answer to whether that is right. 94 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 5: It's a really good question, actually, So I think there 95 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 5: is a vulnerability in it of kind of like going, 96 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 5: you're all kind of doing really well at this stuff, 97 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 5: because there'll be kids that aren't. The risk is we 98 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 5: miss them and we go, geez, that kid's actually not 99 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 5: reading that well, or that kid doesn't know how to 100 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 5: control their emotions at the level less you'll be able to. 101 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 5: But let's just celebrate everyone, and the kid just completely 102 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 5: gets missed and all the other kids fly off and 103 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 5: get better at stuff, whether it's running or reading or 104 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 5: whatever it is, and we miss them. Kids need to 105 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 5: have some winning. Every kid needs to be winning at something, 106 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But it's not a generic 107 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 5: thing that you go, all of the class is amazing 108 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 5: at everything, do you know what I mean? Because we're 109 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 5: not actually not, And it sets up this expectation and 110 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 5: sometimes those kids will come through and they'll be like, 111 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 5: I've never been told I've done anything wrong. I've never 112 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 5: told yeah, you've done something better and yeah, you become 113 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 5: an adult and then you're like, hey. 114 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: Can't fall yeah just quickly. 115 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: Then the other question I wanted to ask you, and 116 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: this is about as a parent. Sometimes you can get 117 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: to a point and you can regret a lot of 118 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: things that you've done and regret a lot of things 119 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: that you haven't done. How do you turn that around 120 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: as a parent and think I can still have a 121 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: fresh start. You know, maybe I've been through some h times, 122 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: the family's been through a rocky road, or maybe there's 123 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: been a divorce or all of these things. How can 124 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: I then make things better from here and not think, oh, stuff, 125 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: but I've done those things? You know? How do you rebuild? 126 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 5: Sometimes you can always recover. I see lots of families 127 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 5: where they've kind of gone through child protection, and those 128 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 5: families have spent time away from their parents for years, 129 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 5: And I feel this huge privilege that I get to 130 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 5: meet those parents trying to repair awful stuff that's happened, 131 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 5: and they've gone through adversity and hardship where they haven't 132 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 5: seen their kids, and these awful things have happened. You 133 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 5: can imagine, but you can always repair this stuff. I've 134 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 5: never met a kid that I'm like, there's no hope. 135 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 5: I'm really like, I get to journey with them. But 136 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 5: it goes back to the same stuff, Kate. If you're 137 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 5: in that situation where you're a parent, you're listening and 138 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 5: you're like, oh man, I'm listening to this stuff and 139 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 5: I've got a teen and we're totally disconnected, then work 140 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 5: on this. Be like, I need to work on this connection. 141 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 5: I need to put effort into it. I always think 142 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 5: it's interesting that we spend so much time, like practicing 143 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 5: our golf swing, and we go one of it gets 144 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 5: better at golf. I want to kind of work on it. 145 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 5: Drop my handicap, you know, spend all this money in 146 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 5: time and at the range. We need to be a 147 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 5: bit like that in parenting and not just be like 148 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 5: I'll figure it out or I should be able to 149 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 5: do this naturally. You've got to be purposeful. 150 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: Don't throw your hands up. 151 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, don't throw your hands up and kind of go like, 152 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 5: you know what I'm going to do is once a week, 153 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 5: I'm going to find something both of us enjoy, and 154 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 5: we're going to make sure that always happens regardless Doctor Billy. 155 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 4: When we told everybody you were coming on the show, 156 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 4: the phones lit up. We said, if anyone's got a 157 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 4: question and needs Doctor Billy, give us a call right now, 158 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: Danniella and Oyster Bay go ahead. 159 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. 160 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: I have four twin children and I co sleep with film. 161 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: What's the best way to get them not to sleep 162 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: with me anymore? I haven't eight and a half year old, 163 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: and I'm still struggling to get her out of my bed. 164 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that, to be honest, Kate. 165 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 5: We see heaps of families that come to us in 166 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 5: clinic and they kind of cautiously go, they're sleeping in 167 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 5: our bed. 168 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you feel embarrassed because everyone's talking about it and 169 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 3: purpuing the idea of it. 170 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 5: But think about all the cultures in the world where 171 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 5: they all do that, everyone sleeps together in the same bed. 172 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 5: We just have this weird thing that we're like, oh, 173 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 5: it'll cause some psychological problem down the track if they 174 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 5: never get out of my bed. I always asked do 175 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 5: you care, and at least half the parents say no, 176 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 5: not really going to go sweep. If they do care, 177 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 5: they're like, I'm not going any sleep, or it's really 178 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 5: coming between the relationship with me and my partner or whatever. 179 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 5: I'm like, cool, then we work on it. The general 180 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 5: consensus with a lot of this stuff from Bud they're 181 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 5: old than six months to the teens that are kind 182 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 5: of still needing a lot of support is you give them, 183 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 5: you go to wear their ass, and then you try 184 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 5: and stretch them a little bit. So say they're in 185 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 5: your bed, You're like, sweet, We're going to start the 186 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 5: night in your room and I'm going to be here. 187 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 5: But what we're going to do is get this working well, 188 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 5: and then I'm going to stretch and we just drop 189 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 5: the intensity and duration of support that kids are requiring, right, 190 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 5: and you go cool. The goal is I walk in, 191 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 5: I say good night, you got your eyes awake, you're 192 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 5: sitting up, you say good night, and I cruise back 193 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 5: to my room and never see you get until the 194 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 5: morning because you sleep. 195 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: Well. 196 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 5: That's often twenty steps, that's not one step. A lot 197 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 5: of people like, what's the one thing? Yes, that's interesting. 198 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: Just on social media, you've been a big advocate for 199 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: exploring how social media can be used to support parenting. 200 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that it can be a 201 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: positive thing? 202 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so, it's also an inevitable thing. Yes, 203 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 5: there's no world that kind of I see some families 204 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 5: that are like, I want them to not be a 205 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 5: part of that until they're seventeen eighteen and the kid 206 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 5: gets socially isolated because all of that's using social media. 207 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: Just I mean that leads obviously to the question. I 208 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: would assume you get asked the most about screens and 209 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: iPads and games. How much is too much? Should I 210 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: be limiting it? Should it be an hour a day? 211 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 5: Screens? Screens can be fine. So it's just the world 212 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 5: has changed, and I'm always more interested in what can 213 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 5: happen instead as opposed to cutting down screen time, because 214 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 5: a lot of charents are like, I just want you 215 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 5: to sit there and do stuff, but not screen time, 216 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: And it's like, actually, what can I go in and 217 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 5: do with you or what can I get you to do? 218 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 5: And often we're trying to stop kids from doing stuff 219 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 5: instead of getting them to do other things. 220 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 3: They still need lilation, don't they? 221 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, we know how busy you are, mate, And 222 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: like you said, this is like a two to three 223 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: year waiting list just to get in to see doctor 224 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: Billy Garvey. You've also if you want to hear more, 225 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: you're the co founder of the Pop Culture Parenting podcast 226 00:08:59,120 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: as well. 227 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: You do that every week. 228 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 5: Every week, and we've got an amazing community with a 229 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 5: lot of professionals come in and we kind of created 230 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 5: a lot of questions and read it out and I 231 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 5: reckon one of the best things we do on that 232 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 5: is everyone here is that everyone else is also finding 233 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 5: this a bit tough. 234 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: Doctor Billy gave thank you very much for coming. 235 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 5: No, thank you everyone for the opportunity. 236 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: It's great. 237 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: Gitsy and Weipper with Kate Ritchie is a Nova podcast. 238 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: For more great comedy shows like this, head to novapodcast 239 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 2: dot com. 240 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: Jod Au