WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 24 June

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Shari. It is a minute past nine o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>on the east coast of Australia, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Canberra.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can see, at a minute past seven Washington

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<v Speaker 1>d C Time on the East coast of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>the President of the United States has just boarded Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force one. He is on his way towards the NATO Summit,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is going to be at the Hague a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of hours travel time or a few hours travel

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<v Speaker 1>time before we see him meeting with world leaders. But

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<v Speaker 1>as Shari has just been telling you, the past fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>minutes have been seismic in terms of how Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has interpreted the events of the past few hours. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just lay out here in chronological order where we

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<v Speaker 1>have been today. That at about two o'clock Australian time

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<v Speaker 1>is when the ceasefire between Israel and Iran was due

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<v Speaker 1>to take place. A rocket has landed in the north

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<v Speaker 1>of Israel after that period of time. Now, Iran has

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that they were not responsible for it. Israel absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>believes that they are and has promised full retaliation because

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<v Speaker 1>we understand that multiple people have died as that rocket

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<v Speaker 1>has landed now, being so early in the morning in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of Washington d C. Let's again go back through

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<v Speaker 1>the chronology. Were the first comments of the President of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, Donald Trump, who is absolutely demanding no

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<v Speaker 1>further action between these two countries, took to truth social

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<v Speaker 1>and did so just eleven minutes ago from inside the

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<v Speaker 1>White House. He wrote this message, which was Israel, do

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<v Speaker 1>not drop those bombs. If you do, it's a major violation.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring your pilots home now, signed Donald Trump, President of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. He is trying to send a message

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<v Speaker 1>to Israel to say, even if you believe that Iran

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<v Speaker 1>has intentionally dropped one more missile with deadly consequences after

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<v Speaker 1>the ceasefire period was in time, you have to rule

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<v Speaker 1>a line under it. You cannot respond. Now we know

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<v Speaker 1>that the Israeli defense forces have said that because human

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<v Speaker 1>life has been taken by that missile, that they believe

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<v Speaker 1>that the ceasefire had been broken and they are planning

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<v Speaker 1>to retaliate. So the President, in all caps, the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent of shouting, has said that Israel essentially has to

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<v Speaker 1>rule a line under it and cannot respond to what

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<v Speaker 1>has taken place. Then the President moved his way from

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<v Speaker 1>the Residency out to the south lawn of the White House,

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<v Speaker 1>where he did speak to reporters. Now he did so

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<v Speaker 1>before boarding a helicopter, before boarding Marine one, which then

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<v Speaker 1>flew to where Air Force one is. So if I

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<v Speaker 1>can ask my team to go back and let's show

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<v Speaker 1>in full the whole tape that we have. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>was not shown live because of a media arrangement where

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<v Speaker 1>for safety reasons, apparently there is not live pictures which

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<v Speaker 1>always come out of that walk when they're making their

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<v Speaker 1>way towards the helicopter. At least that's what I understood

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<v Speaker 1>it to be in this particular case. So he did

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<v Speaker 1>make the comments. So inside the White House, truth social

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<v Speaker 1>tells Israel, regardless of what's happened, do not respond. He

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<v Speaker 1>then goes down to the reporters and says, this happy.

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<v Speaker 2>That Israel's going out.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, there was one racket that I guess, we're aspired

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<v Speaker 3>overboard after the time limit, and at best it's targets,

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<v Speaker 3>and now Israel's going out. These guys got to calm

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<v Speaker 3>down ridiculously.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So again he's trying to suggest here that okay,

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<v Speaker 1>a line's in the sand. Somebody. Now again we are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the loss of human life here. So the

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<v Speaker 1>metaphors I'm trying to be as respectful as possible. But

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<v Speaker 1>from Trump's perspective, somebody's put a toe over the line

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<v Speaker 1>with one miss that's landed and taken life. After that

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<v Speaker 1>particular moment in time, Israel says, well, bugger, what the

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<v Speaker 1>original deal is You hit us after that time. You're

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<v Speaker 1>the one who's broken the ceasefire. We're the ones with

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<v Speaker 1>the moral obligation and right to be able to respond.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is saying, at some point this has to stop

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the tit for tat that this happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and this happens, this reaction, that response, and that seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be exactly where he is now. He's on his

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<v Speaker 1>way towards the NATO meeting that's over in the Hague

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe. Now, several leaders have chosen not to attend.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite interestingly, the freshly elected President of South Korea or sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>leader of South Korea, has said that they are not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be attending. Now, this is being interpreted by

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<v Speaker 1>some of the magatypes as some sort of a message

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<v Speaker 1>potentially coming back through China. Now I'll explain that in

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<v Speaker 1>greater detail a little later, but certainly not friendly to

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<v Speaker 1>position of China when it comes to things is Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>The Japanese leadership has said that they are not planning

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<v Speaker 1>to go to NATO either. The leaders that are currently

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground already speaking to reporters, among others, is

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<v Speaker 1>Emmanuel Maccron, the President of France. Now, he has said

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<v Speaker 1>tonight that he praises the ceasefire and he recognizes the

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<v Speaker 1>importance of a few days ago the decision of Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump to drop the bombs that he did, but appreciates

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<v Speaker 1>the ceasefire where it currently is. The Canadian Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Carney, who remember a week ago, about a week ago,

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<v Speaker 1>was himself hosting world leaders at the G seven summit. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he too has been speaking to reporters in the Hague,

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<v Speaker 1>where he has said that he supports the President's view

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<v Speaker 1>of things here that essentially a line has to be drawn.

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<v Speaker 1>Now again, we are expecting, and we were expecting, that

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<v Speaker 1>there was going to be some sort of immedia statement

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<v Speaker 1>to camera by the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in

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<v Speaker 1>this hour. Now, presumably the full ability of communications of

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<v Speaker 1>a United States president means a phone call has already happened,

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<v Speaker 1>or may well be happening as we speak, as he

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<v Speaker 1>prepares himself to take off as Air Force one starts

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<v Speaker 1>to make its way from Andrew's Air Force Base off

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<v Speaker 1>to Europe. But very much the sitting position of the

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<v Speaker 1>President of the United States is that it is up

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<v Speaker 1>to Israel to help draw a line under the twelve

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<v Speaker 1>days of conflict. Of course, twelve days ago is when

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<v Speaker 1>the Israelis decided to well take on Iran directly wipe

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<v Speaker 1>out as much of their military and even political infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. There was, then, of course, before last weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>an expectation that Donald Trump, after leaving that G seven

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<v Speaker 1>meeting that was in Canada, was going to be joining

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<v Speaker 1>the effort, or at least was considering joining the effort

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<v Speaker 1>to hit Iran. That, of course, took place over the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend during a period of time that the United States

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<v Speaker 1>and through the President, of course, had said that they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to make a decision within the next two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, even when that announcement had been made already

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<v Speaker 1>the final planning was underway, so effectively there was no

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<v Speaker 1>real attempt to move back to the negotiating table. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a want for the President of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>to do his bit to assist Israel, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>to drop those bombs in the middle of the night

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<v Speaker 1>in Operation Midnight Hammer, to take out three of the

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<v Speaker 1>significant Israeli enrichment sites. And again reading through the tea

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<v Speaker 1>leaves here, the expectation you would imagine of the President

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<v Speaker 1>is in a transactional way to be attempting to say

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<v Speaker 1>to the leadership of Israel, look, I stepped in, I helped.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm now asking you to help me draw a lot

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<v Speaker 1>under what is taking place. Because remember, under the temporary

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<v Speaker 1>ceasefire that was announced at the start of today that

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<v Speaker 1>kicked in this afternoon Australian time, that once we hit

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<v Speaker 1>SA ten pm Australian time, without any further issues than

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<v Speaker 1>that would move into a permanent ceasefire scenario. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>during that twenty four hour period, we've had Iran strike

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<v Speaker 1>back at US military facilities like the ones we've been

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<v Speaker 1>pointing out for the past few nights that are dotted

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<v Speaker 1>all over the Middle East. Of course, Qatar Kuwait, now,

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<v Speaker 1>the leadership of Qatar is outraged that Iran had decided

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<v Speaker 1>to enter their airspace with missiles and knock out or

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<v Speaker 1>try to disrupt those American bases. But also it seems

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<v Speaker 1>that Iran had attempted on some level, perhaps because they

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<v Speaker 1>had no further ability to do more damage, but in

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<v Speaker 1>a face saving exercise, because remember, they don't care what

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<v Speaker 1>the world thinks of them. They care about what is

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<v Speaker 1>being consumed by their domestic population, and largely, while they

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<v Speaker 1>have access to the Internet generally speaking, they also have

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<v Speaker 1>access to things like VPNs to be able to get

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<v Speaker 1>around the Iranian news services. The Iranian news services have

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<v Speaker 1>been saying that the ceasefire only took place after Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump had begged for a ceasefire after the so called

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<v Speaker 1>destruction of the American bases. So we know that like

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<v Speaker 1>everything international leaders, they have their own domestic populations to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with. Understandably, the Israeli community wants the Israeli Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister to respond to a missile that had fallen after

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<v Speaker 1>the ceasefire had kicked in. That has taken life. From

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<v Speaker 1>the Iranian perspective here, and I am not suggesting moral equivalents.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty obvious who the aggressor in the scenario has been,

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<v Speaker 1>and that has been, of course, Iran trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>a nuclear bomb with the express permission of white Israel

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<v Speaker 1>off the map, while they are trying to tell their

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<v Speaker 1>own people that they stood up for themselves, they fought

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<v Speaker 1>back when it came to Israel, but more importantly, they

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<v Speaker 1>were able to push America back into its own corner. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously that is not true. But as you've heard in

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<v Speaker 1>the past fifteen minutes or so, Donald Trump essentially again

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<v Speaker 1>saying to the Israelis, please help me draw a line

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<v Speaker 1>under all of this. I helped you, so please help me.

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously, again there are people on all elements of

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<v Speaker 1>this who want to make sure that their main constituency

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<v Speaker 1>is not the international community, but about what will be

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<v Speaker 1>taken from home. Let's go to a full frame here

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<v Speaker 1>as we start to see the cameras move away from

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force One, as it starts to make its taxi

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<v Speaker 1>away and the journey towards yet another international meeting. Think

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<v Speaker 1>about what has happened, and this is extraordinary, Think about

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<v Speaker 1>what has happened in the past seven days. In the

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<v Speaker 1>past well twelve days, of course, is when the first

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<v Speaker 1>of the Israeli strikes on a Ran helped blow major

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<v Speaker 1>holes in their political and military infrastructure, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>the threat that they pose, at very least the nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>threat that they posed to other nations certainly focused specifically

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<v Speaker 1>in and around Israel. About a week ago, you had

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<v Speaker 1>the President of the United States who was in a

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<v Speaker 1>meeting with other world leaders in Canada. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>two day meeting of the Australian Prime minister scheduled to

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<v Speaker 1>be meeting on that second day, but he left after

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<v Speaker 1>the first day. Now, apparently, in part that was because

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<v Speaker 1>the Iranians had apparently delivered a direct threat through a proxy. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>whether that means staffers, people at the meeting, or potentially

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<v Speaker 1>another world leader, part of the story that we will

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<v Speaker 1>eventually learn when people are asked more questions or write

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<v Speaker 1>their books or anything like that in the next little while.

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<v Speaker 1>And the direct threat was that if you come after us,

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<v Speaker 1>then we are going to come after America in America,

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<v Speaker 1>because we already have people loyal to the regime in Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>and those people will commit deadly suicide terrorist attacks. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the moment that Donald Trump decided I'm out. He

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<v Speaker 1>left that meeting of the G seven halfway through. He

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<v Speaker 1>returned to the situation room where apparently the final elements

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<v Speaker 1>of the planning, or at least the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 1>permission for the bunkerbuster strikes in Iran were being put

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<v Speaker 1>in place at the end of last week. Going into

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<v Speaker 1>last weekend, Iran believed, or at least what was being

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<v Speaker 1>said publicly, that they were being given a two week

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<v Speaker 1>window to talk. That was being interpreted as a two

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<v Speaker 1>week window to maybe move some of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to get blown up in those strikes

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<v Speaker 1>by the United States and Israel. For those things to

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<v Speaker 1>be moved out, there has been some footage of a

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<v Speaker 1>train load of semi trailers that were moving equipment out

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<v Speaker 1>of some of those facilities. Again, then last weekend, the

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<v Speaker 1>scenario of the US strikes where there were fourteen fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>of those bunker buster bombs that were dropped in three

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<v Speaker 1>separate locations, as well as our whole collection of Tomahawk

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<v Speaker 1>and other missiles which were being fired from, among other things,

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<v Speaker 1>submarines and carriers that were in the area, pretty extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 1>Then again, chronologically following through these incredible days, then Israel

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<v Speaker 1>decided to continue with its strikes, particularly as we were

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<v Speaker 1>live on the air. Remember things like the doors being

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<v Speaker 1>blown off at prison where political prisoners were also they

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<v Speaker 1>were taking after and moving closer towards trying to destroy

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<v Speaker 1>things that were part of the Iranian regime. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>their tight control over the country. Now while obviously, when

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<v Speaker 1>we've been hearing about some of the missiles and ordinance

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<v Speaker 1>that they have been hurling towards Israel, some of them

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<v Speaker 1>being as old as technology from the nineteen eighties, their

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<v Speaker 1>capacity to keep throwing things seems to be very much dilapidated.

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<v Speaker 1>We then had the scenario where, of course, the Iranian

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<v Speaker 1>foreign minister went to Russia while we were on the

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<v Speaker 1>air last night, and the Russians have said today that

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<v Speaker 1>there best support that they could offer to Iran was

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<v Speaker 1>not as the former Russian president but still part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Security Council in Russia had said, which was to

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<v Speaker 1>offer a nuclear bomb already made one to the Iranians. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>it was to support the ceasefire. Then, of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>ceasefire rolls in a missile lands in the north of Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>The President says, let's rule the line under it. Israel

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<v Speaker 1>says they are set to respond, and we could hear

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<v Speaker 1>something any moment now. But as you can see, Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force one is making its journey from the United States

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<v Speaker 1>to the Hague in Europe for another meeting of world leaders. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven days in the world, twelve thirteen days in the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East that we've all seen play out live on

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<v Speaker 1>our televisions, morning, noon, and night, no matter where we are,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way around the world. But the message from

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<v Speaker 1>the President of the United States before getting on that

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<v Speaker 1>plane was, Israel, do not drop those bombs. I do

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<v Speaker 1>not respond to what had taken place. If you do,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a major violation. Bring your pilots home. Now

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<v Speaker 1>as we speak, we are searching for all of the

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<v Speaker 1>usual sources for information from the Israeli government, be it

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<v Speaker 1>the Defense Minister, the political officials, or the office of

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister. Again, suggestions were that he was to

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<v Speaker 1>make a statement at some point in the next few minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, Donald Trump, the direct message here to Benjamin

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<v Speaker 1>Netanyahu and the Israeli military leadership has helped me draw

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<v Speaker 1>a line. Let's make the ceasefire come true. By not

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<v Speaker 1>responding to the Iranian missile that fell after the ceasefire

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<v Speaker 1>had kicked in at two o'clock Australian Eastern Standard time.

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<v Speaker 3>We basically have two countries that have been fighting so

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<v Speaker 3>long and so hard that they don't know what the

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, even tougher stuff that is being said here and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly a frustration from the President. One of the things

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<v Speaker 1>about Donald Trump when it comes to these situations is

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't hide. We know what he's thinking. Middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the night, middle of the day, He'll bang it out

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<v Speaker 1>on social media. He'll then go to a press conference,

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<v Speaker 1>make it very clear, and then step in essentially to

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<v Speaker 1>say in a very direct way, the cooler heads need

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<v Speaker 1>to prevail at this particular moment. Now, our plan this

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<v Speaker 1>evening is to talk Togiel Farrage, of course, the potential

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<v Speaker 1>future Prime Minister of the UK man of course leading

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<v Speaker 1>the Reform Party. In between, we will be going to

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<v Speaker 1>lots of other locations around the country. We will also

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<v Speaker 1>be having more conversations if we can fit them in,

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<v Speaker 1>in and around Australian domestic politics. But for obvious reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>real time, real moments. Now again, I'm going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to send a message live to the team behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 1>is that, if possible. Obviously there's an F word in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd like to see the longest version of the

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<v Speaker 1>comments that the President made while he was leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>White House because generally speaking, all world leaders, Australian leaders

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<v Speaker 1>as well. They may want to get a message out,

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<v Speaker 1>which means they only answer one question. The theatrics in

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<v Speaker 1>and around an American president and this was perfected by

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump in his first term, practiced by Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>in the second term, and space is sparsely but still

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<v Speaker 1>used by Donald Trump in his second term, which is

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<v Speaker 1>to make comments on the So the southern lawn of

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<v Speaker 1>the White House, the one that is closer towards the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Monument, then of course the view that is available

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<v Speaker 1>from Pennsylvania Avenue. And because of the whirring sounds of

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<v Speaker 1>the helicopter, often when people are trying to ask questions,

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<v Speaker 1>the president could pretend not to hear. But in this scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>the president not to only slowed down, he turned, he

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<v Speaker 1>moved to the reporters. He clearly wanted to be asked

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<v Speaker 1>as many questions as possible. He didn't just answer one,

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<v Speaker 1>he answered multiple and included the little le f bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, I don't know if I can play the

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<v Speaker 1>full amount of it here if we have a full

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<v Speaker 1>tape to turn around. We don't have it right now,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will get to it in a moment or

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<v Speaker 1>two time. Also worth noting about what has been taking

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<v Speaker 1>place about the Israeli position before in and around the

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<v Speaker 1>six o'clock hour on the Australian Eastern side of things,

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<v Speaker 1>was that the Israeli Prime Minister had apparently put some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of another statement out here and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>read it for you here breaking news on and off

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<v Speaker 1>of the glasses. I reported to our security Cabinet that

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<v Speaker 1>Israel achieved all of our war goals in the operation,

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<v Speaker 1>including removing the threat of Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel also damaged Iran's military leadership and several government sites,

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<v Speaker 1>and achieved control over Tran's skies. So that statement was

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<v Speaker 1>made when the assumption was everyone's going to hold the

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<v Speaker 1>line when it comes to the ceasefire. Then missile falls

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<v Speaker 1>into the north of Israel again in between about six

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<v Speaker 1>thirty I think it was Australian Eastern Times, the Sydney, Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 1>Brisbane and Canberra. Then immediate announcement from the defense officials

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<v Speaker 1>in Israel was that they were going to respond with

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<v Speaker 1>maximum force. So it wasn't just going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>one for one missile exchange, but it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a full and punishing response because this particular missile

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<v Speaker 1>has taken human life. Therefore, the President, and you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>his anger and you've seen his frustration, is that you

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<v Speaker 1>had a scenario where both of the players in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of Israel and Iran, had in and around that ceasefire

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<v Speaker 1>time said that they had achieved everything that they had

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to achieve. An Iranian missile lands in the north

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<v Speaker 1>of Israel, and that throws everything into chaos again. No

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<v Speaker 1>other formal response from the Israeli government. Sophie Ellsworth is

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<v Speaker 1>the europe correspondent for News Corps. She has spent some

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<v Speaker 1>time in Israel in the past week. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>febriar situation always, but certainly when the President of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States is throwing f bombs in frustration, we are

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<v Speaker 1>at a very interesting moment in time. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>know we played at once. I want to play it

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<v Speaker 1>again so you can hear it. I know you were

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<v Speaker 1>setting up as well. So but here is the President

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<v Speaker 1>expressing deep frustration, yes, with both sides, but in this

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<v Speaker 1>hour a frustration with Israel, essentially appealing to them to

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<v Speaker 1>help him hold the cease fire in place. Here were

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<v Speaker 1>his comments on the South Lawn again. I hope to

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<v Speaker 1>play you the full exchange, which goes for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of minutes on the other side of this conversation with Sophie.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's hear what he had to say.

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<v Speaker 3>We basically have two countries that have been fighting so

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<v Speaker 3>long and so hard that they're don't know what the

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Sophie, again, you know this part of the

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<v Speaker 1>world well, but you also know that the Americans have

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<v Speaker 1>been nothing but supportive when it comes to Israel. The leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>The reference, of course, with Donald Trump referring to the

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<v Speaker 1>partnership that he was having basically is I think in

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<v Speaker 1>one of the previous social posts he referred to a

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<v Speaker 1>great team that he and Benjamin Ettnie who had made well.

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<v Speaker 1>He's annoyed with his teammate tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>He absolutely is, Paul. You can see the frustration. You

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<v Speaker 4>can hear the frustration. His words speak for themselves. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a situation is moving so quickly. But just

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<v Speaker 4>a few days ago, Paul, we were talking on your

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<v Speaker 4>program and I was showing you those giant signs in

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<v Speaker 4>the background on a freeway. I was standing that said,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you, mister President. Israelis were so happy with his

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<v Speaker 4>actions that resulted in those you know taking out the

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<v Speaker 4>new clip you know, positions in Iran, and they were

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<v Speaker 4>very grateful for that. But this has moved so quickly now.

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<v Speaker 4>Just earlier this morning, I was in northern Israel when

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<v Speaker 4>those alerts went off. I got one on my phone saying,

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<v Speaker 4>run to shelter. I was on a freeway in a car,

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<v Speaker 4>had to quickly pull over and find a safe room

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<v Speaker 4>in a bunker. But this is extraordinary that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 4>has come out and made these comments. I was talking

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<v Speaker 4>to Israelis when I was in this bunker, and they're

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<v Speaker 4>sort of saying to me, well, you know, the ceasefires

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<v Speaker 4>only a few hours in. It takes time. Now it

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<v Speaker 4>happened about ten thirty local time. We're seven hours behind

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<v Speaker 4>in his So this situation is so volatile. But I

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<v Speaker 4>can certainly tell you, Paul, there's many people who still

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<v Speaker 4>remain very nervous of where this will go next. And

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<v Speaker 4>it appears perhaps this cease fire is failing and failing fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Now again the frustration of the President, because his emotions

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<v Speaker 1>in all of this are key, no doubt. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>a very ongoing communication that's happened between Israel and the

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<v Speaker 1>United States leader to the leader, and then obviously up

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<v Speaker 1>and down the military chain. Normally, in moments like this,

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<v Speaker 1>we're able to see pretty fast response from Israel and

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<v Speaker 1>its government in real time via a whole collection of

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<v Speaker 1>social media. Yet again we're seeing a scenario where at

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<v Speaker 1>this moment there seems to be radio silence coming from

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<v Speaker 1>the Israeli government.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this has only just happened, Paul, Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 4>only made these comments a short time ago. But yes,

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<v Speaker 4>the Israeli government are always very quick to respond.

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<v Speaker 2>They're prolific on.

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<v Speaker 4>Social media, and they're updating, you know, their various channels,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, minute by minute, so you know it won't

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<v Speaker 4>be long before they hit back. But I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 4>the Israeli government will be thrilled with President Trump's latest comments.

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<v Speaker 4>But Paul, this this is just such an evolving situation.

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<v Speaker 4>Who knows where it will go next, And many people

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<v Speaker 4>are in doubt. Now, you know, should Israel hit back?

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<v Speaker 4>Should they cop it from Iran? Did Iran do the

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<v Speaker 4>wrong thing? They sent those missiles to northern Israel when

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:39.040
<v Speaker 4>the ceasefire had started. Now, it was interesting because Israeli

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<v Speaker 4>seemed when I asked that as I said, just hold on,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's only a few hours in. I was

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<v Speaker 4>surprised with that reaction. I thought they would really hit

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<v Speaker 4>out and say this is not on. They've already broken

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<v Speaker 4>this cease fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think we're going to chance to play the

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<v Speaker 1>full version of the Trump comments in a moment. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ask you one more question as we put to

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<v Speaker 1>those that technology in place, Sophie. But again, please stick

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<v Speaker 1>with us for as long as you can in this

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>scenario where we've had literally, man incredible twelve thirteen days.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about that, the military side of things, the

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 1>political side of things. This time last week it was

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<v Speaker 1>the G seven. He's on his way now to NATO.

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<v Speaker 1>It is extraordinary that we are seeing as much as

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<v Speaker 1>we are seeing in real time. Where we see negotiations,

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<v Speaker 1>we also see that whatever the expectation is of the

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<v Speaker 1>news day, it often ends up being upended, and very quickly. So,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's meant to be a meeting in the Hague,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows how quickly before either he turns the plane around,

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<v Speaker 1>comes back, or how long he even stays there.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Paul, really, I mean, just to keep the inside

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 4>of the media, they are working absolutely around the clock

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<v Speaker 4>on this story. Especially when we're sending stories back to Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>Things are happening in different time zone. Stuff is happening

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<v Speaker 4>so quickly, updates and changing everything rapidly that the dial

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 4>can be shifted within minutes. I mean, one minute, you know,

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:10.119
<v Speaker 4>we're in a hotel bunker filing about missile attacks. Next minute,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a cease fire. Next minute, the ceasefire is broken.

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:16.440
<v Speaker 4>Next minute we're pulling over on a highway because there's

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<v Speaker 4>missile alerts going off. I mean, it's so unpredictable, Paul,

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:25.199
<v Speaker 4>and so concerning for people, particularly in Israel, who just

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<v Speaker 4>don't know what's going to happen next. And while they

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<v Speaker 4>were very happy with Donald Trump and the US's actions

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<v Speaker 4>earlier in the week, I'm pretty a certain Paul, there's

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 4>not many people in Israel resting easily, and especially with

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<v Speaker 4>his latest developments this morning, because that ceasefire was so

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<v Speaker 4>critical and it now appears that it has failed very

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<v Speaker 4>early in But look, we could be talking in a

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<v Speaker 4>few hours and this could drastically shift yet again.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul. Yeah, absolutely, all right, Sophie. Look, I'm going to

0:26:58.200 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>put you on standby, but I know, We've got lots

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<v Speaker 1>of things to bounce around right now and including whatever

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:03.359
<v Speaker 1>you might be up to. And I'm going to hold

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you any longer than you're available to us. But thank

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:07.959
<v Speaker 1>you so much for being here, all right, So let

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:11.639
<v Speaker 1>me get back to this. Donald Trump has really shaken

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>things up, shown an absolute frustration with Israel and the

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>potential Israeli military response to the Iranian missile that landed

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and killed people in Israel after the ceasefire came into

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>effect two o'clock this afternoon Australi in Eastern time. He's

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>currently in a plane on his way to a meeting

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>of NATO leaders, many of the key security leaders around

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the world and certainly the focus of the Western world.

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Before that, he put out a truth social post where

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>essentially he in all caps the Internet equivalent of yelling,

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 1>he told the Israelis essentially, do not respond. We have

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>to draw a line. Please help me draw the line.

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 1>He then goes downstairs on his way towards the helicopter

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.919
<v Speaker 1>and made comments which are going to be well obvious

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.679
<v Speaker 1>in real time huge news, but certainly ones that I

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>wanted to bring you in full because even though the

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>highlights we have shown you of key messages and this

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.119
<v Speaker 1>moment of dropping an F bomb. I wanted you to

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>see the full comments because, as always, when you see

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>things in their context as live, you're able to have

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the better insight as to what's going on, rather than

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.679
<v Speaker 1>somebody like myself trying to interpret it for you. So

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>here is a couple of minutes, in fact, the full

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>exchange that the President Donald Trump had with reporters at

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the White House before getting on the chopper to get

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>on the plane to go to the Hague.

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 2>That Israel's going out.

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Now, there was one racket that I guess was fired overboard.

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 3>I was after the time limit and at best at targets,

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 3>and now Israel's going out.

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 2>These guys got to calm down ridiculously and to be

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 2>ting by. I didn't like plenty of things I saw yesterday.

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 3>I didn't like the fact that is you're unloaded right

0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 3>after we made the deal.

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>They didn't have to unload.

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't like the fact that the retaliation was

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 3>very strong. But in all fairness is you unloaded a lot.

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.719
<v Speaker 3>And now I hear Israel just went out because they

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 3>felt it was violated by one.

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Rocket that didn't land anywhere.

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 3>That's not what we want, I'll tell you, and I'm

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 3>telling you I'm not happy about that Israel either.

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>All I do is play both sides.

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm going now, as you know, Tonado, some of you

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 3>are going with me, and I.

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Think it's going to be uh successful. We'll see. I'll

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 2>let you know. Are you always thinking remits? If you've

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 2>gone in the Middle East agreements? You managed to achieve?

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 2>What enough fruits?

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 4>Use the plans for the region, for Saudi Arabia, Israel

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 4>does of the hostages.

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Look, you're asking me about women in the Middle East.

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 3>It's getting a lot better.

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Things are happening at a high level. As you know,

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Saudi Arabia has done a really good job. It's coming

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>out far, far faster than I thought.

0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 3>So we're very happy about what's happening with women in

0:29:59.480 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 3>the Middle East.

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about it. Have you gone in the Middle

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 2>East that you meant it to achieve? Last night? You

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 2>know the region is going to a new placemen. Can

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 2>you talk what your UTA plans for godsap, what do

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>you have to do? Though it's a new dawn. I

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 2>appreciate the question. You're very nice. Who you of Israel

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 2>calmed down because they went on a mission this morning.

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I gotta get Israel to calm down. Now, do you

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>have to speak with the l and you talk.

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Everybody both sides not to violate the seaspier, but three

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 3>folks coming from the reach.

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 2>And such as that. Besides, I accuse each other for

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 2>a violighting Sepi. So I think what violated it.

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't think they I'm not sure they did it intentionally.

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't rain people back.

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't like the fact that Israel went out this

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 3>morning at all. And I'm going to see if I

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 3>can stop it. So as soon as I get away

0:30:53.280 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 3>from you, I'm going to see if I can stop it.

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's been completely demolished.

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 3>I think the reason we're here is because those pilots,

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 3>there's be two pilots.

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Did an unbelievable job.

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 3>And you know, the fake news like CNN in particular,

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 3>they're trying to you know, they're trying to say, well,

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 3>I agree that it was destroyed, but maybe not that destroyed.

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 2>You know what they're doing.

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 3>They're really hurting great pilots that put their lives in

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 3>the line. CNN has scum, and so is MSDNC they're

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 3>all and frankly the networks.

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Aren't much better.

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 3>It's all fake news. But they should not have done that.

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 3>By those pilots hit their targets. Those targets were obliterated,

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 3>and the pilots should be given credit. They're not after

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 3>The pilots are after me. They want to try and

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:46.719
<v Speaker 3>to meet rebuild it super a promrale. I mean, Iran

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 3>will never rebuild it. Duclin from there, absolutely not. That

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 3>place is under rock. That place is demolished. The B

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 3>two pilots did their job. They did it better than

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 3>anybody could even imagine. They hit late in the evening,

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 3>it was dark with no moon, and they hit that

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 3>target with every one of those things.

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 2>And that place is gone.

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 3>But when I see CNN all night longer're trying to say,

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 3>well maybe it wasn't really as demolished.

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 2>As we thought.

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 3>There was demolished, and you take a look at the

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 3>pinpricks and you see that place is gone. And I

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 3>will say, I think CNN or to apologize to the

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 3>pilots of the V two's, I think that MSD and

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 3>c O to apologize. I think these guys really these

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 3>networks are these cable networks.

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Are real losers. You really are. You're realizing.

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 3>You're gutless losers. I say that the CNN because I

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 3>watch it. I have no choice. I gotta watch that garbage.

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 3>It's all garbage, it's all fakeds. But I think CNN

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 3>is a gutless group of people and the people that

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 3>run it.

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Nobody even knows.

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 3>There's been sold so many times, but the people that

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 3>run it over to be ashamed. MSD and see a

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 3>guy named Brian Roberts. He had said he's a disgrace.

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Is a week fathetic disgrace.

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Even when world events are taking place, ceasefires are barely

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 1>holding in the Middle East, plenty to say about the

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>American media. Is the President of the United States. He

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>is now in the middle well the beginnings of an

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>eight hour flight between Washington and the Hague in the Netherlands,

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and he's back on social media. Another statement from the

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 1>President of the United States as he is settled into

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>his chair, Israel is not going to attack Iran. All

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 1>parties will turn around and head home while doing a

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>friendly plane wave to Iran. Nobody will be hurt. The

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>ceasefire is in effect. Thank you for your attention to

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 1>this matter. Donald J. Trump, President of the United States.

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Now let's keep that up on screen for a second,

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>because obviously you can interpret this one or two ways.

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>You can interpret this as he has received some sort

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>of assurance that Israel is not going to attack Iran,

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>or that is him predicting that Israel is not going

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>to attack Iran. Why because, of course, as he had

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:05.719
<v Speaker 1>said earlier in the day, and earlier he made those

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>particular comments. All right, now, we are going to weave

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>in and out of this and some Australian news, but

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I've got a feeling we're going to be doing a

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 1>lot more breaking news coverage in the next little while,

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 1>so quick break now, plenty more to come. Get another

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>special live news edition of Paul Murray live here on

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Sky News. Thanks for watching, Tod Dure. It's an eight

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 1>hour trip that the President is making and he is

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>banging it out on truth. Social Iran will never rebuild

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>their nuclear facilities is the latest of the messages that

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>he has put out, of course, in the frustration that

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>he has right now with Israel still waiting to hear

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>if anything from them. In the meantime, our plan was

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>to have quite the conversation about Australian politics. Because I've

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>got something special for you, which is Linda Scott and

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 1>James Ashby in the man Cave tonight. But alas the

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 1>world is always getting in the way of things. Lovely

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>to see you both. Good, see you mate. So to

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 1>see the president dropping any bomb live on TV. And

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>also he's pretty clear here, which is regardless of what

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 1>happened a week ago, regardless of what happened two days ago,

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 1>he says, regardless of what has happened in Israel tonight, Israel,

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>hold off, don't respond.

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:16.800
<v Speaker 5>Look, it's actual bombs and an f bomb from the

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 5>US president in one week. So it's pretty extraordinary time.

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:25.240
<v Speaker 5>And it's interesting because we have seen so many foreign

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 5>affairs you know, and diplomacy officials talking for so long

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.279
<v Speaker 5>about how the second wave of a Trump administration would create,

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 5>you know, real regime change for the world, and we

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 5>are now seeing that. I think it's a very dangerous environment.

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 5>We've got QUANTUS planes turning back over these airspaces, and

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 5>I know the Australian government's working very hard to keep

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.920
<v Speaker 5>a watch on everything, but there's not just you know,

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 5>the US, Israel and Iran here, we've got a whole

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 5>lot of countries looking on very closely, Pakistan, a range

0:35:57.200 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 5>of others, so a very dangerous, volatile and.

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course getting close to five thousand people who are

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:04.800
<v Speaker 1>in this region who want to get back. They obviously

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>can't because of those closed airports at the moment. But again, James,

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the thing that I find fascinating, and again we can

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 1>do two things at once, which is to look at

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the whole situation as well as the incremental things that

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:20.760
<v Speaker 1>are happening. Trump doesn't hide what he's thinking. He doesn't

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>he's essentially and the joy of the technology means that

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>he's not waiting for the back channel. He's just blasting

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>it straight out and the world can all find out

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:31.320
<v Speaker 1>together in real time what he's thinking.

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 6>Well, I like the fact that Trump is living up

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 6>to what he said he does not want war and

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 6>to be able to turn around and just moments ago

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 6>say that Israel have turned back at jets is a

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.479
<v Speaker 6>good sign because that is not what the world wants.

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 6>We've made it very clear. I think what's happened in

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 6>the last week has been necessary. We've been very, very

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 6>very confident that this will end, and it will end soon.

0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.399
<v Speaker 6>It may not have ended as quickly as what Trump

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 6>had wanted. But it can't go on for long, as

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 6>I say, it got lots of things to get to tonight.

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 6>Nigel Farage will join us very shortly from the United Kingdom.

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 6>So let's try to bounce through a couple of local

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 6>issues here, including one that literally affects you, James, which

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 6>is the staffing levels that the re elected government has

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 6>now decided to impose upon anyone who is not one

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 6>of their political friends.

0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Now what are we saying here. We're saying that there

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.360
<v Speaker 1>has previously been about twenty twenty one percent of the

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 1>total amount of government staffing is given to opposition parties. Now,

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 1>whether the assumption is here because there are so few

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>members of the opposition therefore fewer staff. But remember this

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 1>is an alternative government, right. We have the absurdity of

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>places like Queensland where David Cruci fully remember told me

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:49.800
<v Speaker 1>that the entire staff of the opposition was twenty people.

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>This is verse the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds that

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>are working in all different parts of the machine. And

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>that's bad for democracy, right. Regardless of whether it's a

0:37:57.840 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 1>Team Red or Team blue, you want the people who

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>are your political opponents to have professional staff around them,

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.800
<v Speaker 1>but it seems there might be something rather specific about

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.839
<v Speaker 1>the staff behaviors towards One Nation.

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 6>Well, what I found most disturbing the Prime Minister clearly

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 6>backchanneled media before he gave any decency to go and

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 6>have those discussions with the senators or the party leaders

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.839
<v Speaker 6>that were about to lose staff. I had staff wake

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.879
<v Speaker 6>up this morning texting saying, am I losing my job?

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 6>We hadn't even received the latter. Now that's despicable. And

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 6>to think that this Prime Minister has cherry picked his

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 6>friends and then flicked his enemies. That's precisely what he's done.

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 6>He has said we're halving One Nation staff numbers. The

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 6>personal staff will be halved, he said. Ralph Babett has

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 6>lost staff today. He has had his personal staff halfd

0:38:54.960 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 6>But the likes of Tammy Tyrrell, David Pocock, Jackie Lamby haven't. Yeah,

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 6>now one in all in or you just can't cherry

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:06.240
<v Speaker 6>pick your friends.

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 1>That's the problem. But also remember I mean literally One

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Nation doubled its representation, sure, Senate, but it will have

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the same amount of staff as when they had half

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 1>of what they got at the election. Let's also talk

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 1>here about News Wales and Queensland budgets because again I'm

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 1>aware that at any second we could be off to

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 1>what the President is tweeting today. New South Wales, Linda,

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.319
<v Speaker 1>what did you think of the budget that was handed

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 1>down by the Labor government in New South Wales.

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 5>Well, I've just come from being with Premier Chris Mins

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 5>and Daniel Morkid. Christmins did want me to say hello

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:39.480
<v Speaker 5>to you and today Bremer Hello Sky News audience from Chrismins.

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:41.280
<v Speaker 5>He's got friends.

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Everywhere, everywhere, made everything.

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Across the nation.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the two hallmark things in the New South

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:51.359
<v Speaker 5>Wales budget today the billion dollar investment in housing through

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 5>supporting to help developers loan for properties to get them

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 5>to access finance. That he's going to fast track homes

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:01.320
<v Speaker 5>out of the ground and hopefully create more accessible, affordable

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 5>homes for New South Wales a big priority. And the

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 5>other big landmark is the one point two billion dollar

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 5>investment in foster caring and child protection. We know in

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 5>so many parts of Australia vulnerable children do better when

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.800
<v Speaker 5>they have great foster care, when they have better support

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.879
<v Speaker 5>and wrap around services, and that you know one point

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 5>two billion dollars. I think is a really landmark labor

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 5>decision and I'm really personally proud of that. I think

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 5>it's an extraordinary thing.

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.359
<v Speaker 1>A Queensland also pat it's budget today.

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 6>James Well not overly impressed in the fact that they

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 6>haven't done something about the royalties on coal. We know

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 6>well me especially living in Central Queensland, we've seen coal

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 6>mines going backwards. The cost of production outweighs what they're

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 6>getting on the spot market at the present moment, and

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 6>the only winners are the state government. Meanwhile, we've got

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 6>more and more minds considering going into care and maintenance,

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 6>which means the loss of thousands of jobs, particularly in

0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 6>the Central Queensland region. And unfortunately for a lot of

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 6>people they don't realize we've got fly and fly out

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 6>miners from city regions as well as our regional areas,

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 6>and so the impact that that's having is far far

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.320
<v Speaker 6>greater than what most people recognize. When it comes to

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:16.200
<v Speaker 6>the housing investment that Queensland's looking at, I'm still not

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 6>sold yet. I'm not confident that a state government should

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 6>be allowing people to buy a million dollar home with

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 6>a two percent deposit and the state government goes in

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 6>as an equity partner with thirty percent. It just doesn't

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 6>make sense to me. And effectively, you can buy a

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 6>million dollar property with a twenty thousand dollar deposit. It

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:38.240
<v Speaker 6>just rubs me a bit the wrong way as a taxpayer.

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 6>And I just don't know, if you don't have enough

0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:42.479
<v Speaker 6>skin in the game, are you going to look after

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.959
<v Speaker 6>that place the way you would if you really save

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 6>that ten percent fifteen percent.

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Last one here is about the social media changes that

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:54.720
<v Speaker 1>are going to happen around age limits to access things

0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 1>like X and meta and all of those things. The

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 1>East Safety Commissioner, the Computer Karen says that YouTube should

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 1>be part of this where basically because of course we

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>know that there's all sorts of stuff on YouTube, right

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>from good funny, satirical political cartoons on Paul and Hanson's

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Please Explain to Fail videos, but there's also a lot

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 1>of rougher stuff out there. The company, though, which of

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 1>course is googled. Linda, would say, well, there's already a

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:25.720
<v Speaker 1>platform called YouTube Kids. That's the one that they should

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 1>be focused on. There's not a kid's version of X,

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 1>so they've already demarketed and it's up to the parent

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 1>what they download. What do you think.

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 5>Look, I think this social media reformed by the Labor

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 5>government is world leading reforms and it's reasonable that they

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 5>take some time to figure out what is going to

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 5>be in and what is going to be out, and

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 5>I think it's important to look hard at that. I

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 5>don't think there's many parents in Australia, and I speak

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 5>as a parent of two lovely teenage boys who are

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 5>not worried.

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 1>About this though.

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:57.399
<v Speaker 5>And I think that no platform can guarantee a child

0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:59.839
<v Speaker 5>is not going to see something that's unsafe. They can't.

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 5>It's just called that out. And yet they do use

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.759
<v Speaker 5>many of these platforms for learning. So look, I don't

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 5>have a definitive view. I think it's good for the

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 5>government to look at it, but these world leading reforms

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 5>are important to do.

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I want to be respectful to Nigel in a moment,

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 1>so give me the thirty second version, James.

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 6>Look, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for YouTube.

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 6>At the end of the day, my business ran off

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 6>me and my staff learning off YouTube, and kids are

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 6>the same way. I wouldn't deprive a child from learning

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:32.320
<v Speaker 6>how to use the Adobe package on YouTube and so

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:33.320
<v Speaker 6>I'm not for it.

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Parents need to take it more. Chares free, tap free

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 1>tabe all right. See if they didn't get something in,

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't be a normal show. Alas, I have to

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 1>end it there because the wonderful Nigel Frans joins us

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>now from the UK. Nigel, in real time, we are

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 1>seeing the President of the United States reacting to the

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.879
<v Speaker 1>events in the Middle East, including well swearing and being

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.920
<v Speaker 1>rather direct about it about his frustrations, particularly with Israel.

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's hear a bit of it, and I want to

0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 1>get your response.

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:01.880
<v Speaker 3>We basically have PIO codes that have been fighting so

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.719
<v Speaker 3>long and so hard that they don't know what the

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 3>fuck they're doing.

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Nigel, what do you think? Sorry?

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:15.080
<v Speaker 7>I know I should laugh really, given how serious the

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:16.280
<v Speaker 7>situation in the Middle.

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 1>East is, but it's difficult not to.

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 7>It's very Donald, it's very Donald, very direct, and he's

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 7>showing his anger. You know, he is trying like crazy

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 7>with Russia and Ukraine. He's trying like crazy now in

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 7>the last twenty four hours with Israel and Iran, and yeah,

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 7>Israel aren't playing the game. Look, you know, he wants

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 7>to be a peacemaker. That's his instinct. It always has been.

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 7>But I'm afraid this situation in the Middle East is

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 7>going to rumble on, I think for some considerable time.

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Interestingly, Iran in the past couple of minutes has

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.840
<v Speaker 1>released the statement suggesting the revolution regards is that the

0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>final wave of attacks, they fired fourteen missiles, and they

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 1>did so apparently minutes before the ceasefire. So again, the

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.919
<v Speaker 1>position of the president in all of this is when

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.200
<v Speaker 1>things land, but at some point you've got to rule

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 1>a line under it. From the Israeli perspective, though, Nigel,

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>apparently this has been fatal. There have been lives that

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>have been lost by that final missile landing post and obviously,

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and always every government wants to respond when one of

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>its own dies. Yeah.

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 7>Well, I mean, the best hope we've got is that

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 7>Israel have done this because they want to have the

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:41.759
<v Speaker 7>final word. Yeah, you know, I got the last blow

0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 7>in type of thing to say to my electorate. Let's

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:46.919
<v Speaker 7>hope it's that. Let's hope the whole thing doesn't break

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 7>down completely and go back to where it was. But frankly,

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:52.879
<v Speaker 7>I was a bit skeptical last night when I saw

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 7>the seas far I'm even more so now.

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:59.879
<v Speaker 1>Frankly, also again let's just again be in the middle

0:45:59.880 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 1>of talking about the grains of sand and the minute

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 1>by minutes, but then let's step back and have a look.

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Literally what an extraordinary two weeks. I mean an extraordinary

0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 1>two weeks where if two weeks ago we had talked

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 1>about the potential of Israel hitting Iran, people would have

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:16.279
<v Speaker 1>assumed what is going to be? Would the America first

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 1>guy get involved? Yes, within that period of time, in

0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and out of international conferences and on his way towards

0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the Hague, it has been an extraordinary period of time

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 1>to be living through. Yes, it has.

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 7>And actually, I mean what America did is one of

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 7>their most significant interventions in decades. I mean, I don't

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 7>think we should underestimate America getting involved in this. What

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.239
<v Speaker 7>it means, of course, what we can't deduce is just

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 7>how much of the Iranian material has been destroyed? Did

0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:50.280
<v Speaker 7>they get stuff out before?

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:54.880
<v Speaker 7>I have to say personally, I believe America did the

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 7>right thing. I think that the jcpoa deal that was

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.360
<v Speaker 7>done just over a decade ago by Obama, the European

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 7>Union and the BRITZ was idiotic in the extreme, it

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.240
<v Speaker 7>freed up tens of billions of dollars.

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>And what did the Uranians do?

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:14.600
<v Speaker 7>They funded the hooties Hamas and his Bulla and carried

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 7>on enriching uranium. They are the really dangerous country in

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 7>that region. So I do believe that America has done

0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 7>the right thing politically, though it is difficult for Trump

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:28.439
<v Speaker 7>to do anymore. The idea of sending the US army

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 7>in I just don't believe the MAGA movement, be it

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 7>Steve Bannon or anyone like that, would frankly put up

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 7>with it. So I think Trump saw this as a

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 7>swift intervention. I think he'll be reluctant to do much more.

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you get that sense, and certainly the frustration in

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 1>which that he has been expressing himself tonight would very

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:52.360
<v Speaker 1>much put that in the place. And now he's on

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 1>his way to the Hague. He's on his way, of course,

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 1>to the Netherlands. Of course, you will and truly aware

0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>of how the Europeans like to do things. Any last

0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>minute of advice about what it's like to swarm around

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.720
<v Speaker 1>with one of the ultimate versions of the political swamp.

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think quite honesty. When you saw the G seven,

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 7>the other week that he left early. It left the

0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 7>leaders of the European Union sort of, you know, flapping

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:22.920
<v Speaker 7>around a bit like fish you've just been taken out

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 7>of water. He has no great love, he has no

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 7>great love for the European Union whatsoever. But he might

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.279
<v Speaker 7>well have a nice word to say to the German Chancellor,

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 7>who at least was supportive of what the Israelis and

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 7>Americans have done. As for President Macron, well, he basically

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 7>has said that the American attacks were illegal, and he's

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 7>on the verge of recognizing, you know, Palestine, which would

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 7>be a reward to Hamas. So I think if Donald

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 7>Trump and Emmanuel Macron are in a room together, you'll

0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 7>hear some more of the juicy language we just heard

0:48:58.400 --> 0:48:59.719
<v Speaker 7>as he was boarding the aeroplane.

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Correct, both of them speaking French. One that's audibly available

0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:07.839
<v Speaker 1>to us who do not speak native tongue, but are

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:10.880
<v Speaker 1>aware of certainly what it means. Now, your poles keep

0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:14.799
<v Speaker 1>getting better, stronger. No surprise there one pole. I think

0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:16.800
<v Speaker 1>this was the Yugo pole through Sky News in the

0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:20.440
<v Speaker 1>UK has reform in front of Labour twenty five twenty

0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 1>four Conservatives at twenty one, an Ipsos pole much much

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 1>better which it has Reform at thirty four, Labour twenty five,

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:32.359
<v Speaker 1>the Conservatives back at fifteen. This is extraordinary. We talk

0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 1>about it, wek in week out, and these poles are

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 1>way beyond fluke. A movement has been built and as

0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:42.759
<v Speaker 1>you say, if you want reform, vote reform, and that

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:46.880
<v Speaker 1>seems to be where the majority of well people are

0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:48.120
<v Speaker 1>starting to coalesce around.

0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 7>I mean this time last year, exactly this time last year,

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.759
<v Speaker 7>reform didn't have a single MP nothing, and yet we

0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 7>are consistently leading in all of the opinion polls in

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 7>some of.

0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Them were leading by a lot. Why Why?

0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:07.320
<v Speaker 7>Number one, there's a gap in the market. There is

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:11.880
<v Speaker 7>a talent gap in the market of an enormous magnitude. Secondly,

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 7>I'm a known quantity. And thirdly, I have been talking

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:18.879
<v Speaker 7>about what damage net zero would do for years. I've

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 7>been talking about young men, you know, undocumented young males

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.440
<v Speaker 7>coming into Britain in large numbers, causing problems, especially for

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:30.320
<v Speaker 7>British women. And I think, frankly, events over time have

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:30.719
<v Speaker 7>proven me.

0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:31.439
<v Speaker 1>Right on things.

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:35.440
<v Speaker 7>This country wants someone to come in fix it and

0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:38.319
<v Speaker 7>turn the country around. Right now, they're beginning to place

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:40.800
<v Speaker 7>their faith in me, and do you know what, I

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:43.080
<v Speaker 7>actually think they're right too, because I'm not afraid.

0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't back down and I know what

0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I believe in. Yeah, certainly again, you know, one of

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the great lefty queens is just interrunting the former New

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Zealand Prime minister and she's got a book out in

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<v Speaker 1>a documentary and all the rest of it. As they

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<v Speaker 1>throw rose pedals at her. The only reason she was

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<v Speaker 1>prime minister was because of of a guy called Winston

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<v Speaker 1>Peters Right. New Zealand first was his is his political movement.

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<v Speaker 1>He has done the same to put now the National

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<v Speaker 1>Party in as the leaders in New Zealand. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>come out today and he has spoken very strongly about

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<v Speaker 1>low skilled immigration. Put simply his words, new Zealand has

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<v Speaker 1>enough uber drivers. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I know Winston very well. He's a bit a friend

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<v Speaker 7>of mine for a long time. I've even taken him

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<v Speaker 7>to the Oval to watch cricket. So I Winsland and

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<v Speaker 7>I think very alike. He's never been afraid to say

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<v Speaker 7>what he thinks masses in New Zealand politics. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>even make much of his own Marie background.

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<v Speaker 1>He just is what he is.

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<v Speaker 7>As you say, he has become the modern day kingmaker

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<v Speaker 7>in New Zealand politics and he's right. Low skilled migration

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<v Speaker 7>in the end costs a country money and it makes

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<v Speaker 7>no sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Good man. Thank you so much. Thank you, Nigel. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you again at next week. Nae fras leader

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<v Speaker 1>of the Reform Party. If you want reform, vote reform almost,

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<v Speaker 1>I say plenty more breaking news with the Light to

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<v Speaker 1>bike moments from now he runs Scone News. Thanks for watching.