Speaker 1: Thank you, Shari. It is a minute past nine o'clock
Speaker 1: on the east coast of Australia, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Canberra.
Speaker 1: As you can see, at a minute past seven Washington
Speaker 1: d C Time on the East coast of the United States,
Speaker 1: the President of the United States has just boarded Air
Speaker 1: Force one. He is on his way towards the NATO Summit,
Speaker 1: and that is going to be at the Hague a
Speaker 1: couple of hours travel time or a few hours travel
Speaker 1: time before we see him meeting with world leaders. But
Speaker 1: as Shari has just been telling you, the past fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes have been seismic in terms of how Donald Trump
Speaker 1: has interpreted the events of the past few hours. Now,
Speaker 1: let's just lay out here in chronological order where we
Speaker 1: have been today. That at about two o'clock Australian time
Speaker 1: is when the ceasefire between Israel and Iran was due
Speaker 1: to take place. A rocket has landed in the north
Speaker 1: of Israel after that period of time. Now, Iran has
Speaker 1: suggested that they were not responsible for it. Israel absolutely
Speaker 1: believes that they are and has promised full retaliation because
Speaker 1: we understand that multiple people have died as that rocket
Speaker 1: has landed now, being so early in the morning in
Speaker 1: terms of Washington d C. Let's again go back through
Speaker 1: the chronology. Were the first comments of the President of
Speaker 1: the United States, Donald Trump, who is absolutely demanding no
Speaker 1: further action between these two countries, took to truth social
Speaker 1: and did so just eleven minutes ago from inside the
Speaker 1: White House. He wrote this message, which was Israel, do
Speaker 1: not drop those bombs. If you do, it's a major violation.
Speaker 1: Bring your pilots home now, signed Donald Trump, President of
Speaker 1: the United States. He is trying to send a message
Speaker 1: to Israel to say, even if you believe that Iran
Speaker 1: has intentionally dropped one more missile with deadly consequences after
Speaker 1: the ceasefire period was in time, you have to rule
Speaker 1: a line under it. You cannot respond. Now we know
Speaker 1: that the Israeli defense forces have said that because human
Speaker 1: life has been taken by that missile, that they believe
Speaker 1: that the ceasefire had been broken and they are planning
Speaker 1: to retaliate. So the President, in all caps, the Internet
Speaker 1: equivalent of shouting, has said that Israel essentially has to
Speaker 1: rule a line under it and cannot respond to what
Speaker 1: has taken place. Then the President moved his way from
Speaker 1: the Residency out to the south lawn of the White House,
Speaker 1: where he did speak to reporters. Now he did so
Speaker 1: before boarding a helicopter, before boarding Marine one, which then
Speaker 1: flew to where Air Force one is. So if I
Speaker 1: can ask my team to go back and let's show
Speaker 1: in full the whole tape that we have. Now, this
Speaker 1: was not shown live because of a media arrangement where
Speaker 1: for safety reasons, apparently there is not live pictures which
Speaker 1: always come out of that walk when they're making their
Speaker 1: way towards the helicopter. At least that's what I understood
Speaker 1: it to be in this particular case. So he did
Speaker 1: make the comments. So inside the White House, truth social
Speaker 1: tells Israel, regardless of what's happened, do not respond. He
Speaker 1: then goes down to the reporters and says, this happy.
Speaker 2: That Israel's going out.
Speaker 3: Now, there was one racket that I guess, we're aspired
Speaker 3: overboard after the time limit, and at best it's targets,
Speaker 3: and now Israel's going out. These guys got to calm
Speaker 3: down ridiculously.
Speaker 1: Okay, So again he's trying to suggest here that okay,
Speaker 1: a line's in the sand. Somebody. Now again we are
Speaker 1: talking about the loss of human life here. So the
Speaker 1: metaphors I'm trying to be as respectful as possible. But
Speaker 1: from Trump's perspective, somebody's put a toe over the line
Speaker 1: with one miss that's landed and taken life. After that
Speaker 1: particular moment in time, Israel says, well, bugger, what the
Speaker 1: original deal is You hit us after that time. You're
Speaker 1: the one who's broken the ceasefire. We're the ones with
Speaker 1: the moral obligation and right to be able to respond.
Speaker 1: Trump is saying, at some point this has to stop
Speaker 1: in terms of the tit for tat that this happened,
Speaker 1: and this happens, this reaction, that response, and that seems
Speaker 1: to be exactly where he is now. He's on his
Speaker 1: way towards the NATO meeting that's over in the Hague
Speaker 1: in Europe. Now, several leaders have chosen not to attend.
Speaker 1: Quite interestingly, the freshly elected President of South Korea or sorry,
Speaker 1: leader of South Korea, has said that they are not
Speaker 1: going to be attending. Now, this is being interpreted by
Speaker 1: some of the magatypes as some sort of a message
Speaker 1: potentially coming back through China. Now I'll explain that in
Speaker 1: greater detail a little later, but certainly not friendly to
Speaker 1: position of China when it comes to things is Japan.
Speaker 1: The Japanese leadership has said that they are not planning
Speaker 1: to go to NATO either. The leaders that are currently
Speaker 1: on the ground already speaking to reporters, among others, is
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Maccron, the President of France. Now, he has said
Speaker 1: tonight that he praises the ceasefire and he recognizes the
Speaker 1: importance of a few days ago the decision of Donald
Speaker 1: Trump to drop the bombs that he did, but appreciates
Speaker 1: the ceasefire where it currently is. The Canadian Prime Minister
Speaker 1: Mark Carney, who remember a week ago, about a week ago,
Speaker 1: was himself hosting world leaders at the G seven summit. Well,
Speaker 1: he too has been speaking to reporters in the Hague,
Speaker 1: where he has said that he supports the President's view
Speaker 1: of things here that essentially a line has to be drawn.
Speaker 1: Now again, we are expecting, and we were expecting, that
Speaker 1: there was going to be some sort of immedia statement
Speaker 1: to camera by the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in
Speaker 1: this hour. Now, presumably the full ability of communications of
Speaker 1: a United States president means a phone call has already happened,
Speaker 1: or may well be happening as we speak, as he
Speaker 1: prepares himself to take off as Air Force one starts
Speaker 1: to make its way from Andrew's Air Force Base off
Speaker 1: to Europe. But very much the sitting position of the
Speaker 1: President of the United States is that it is up
Speaker 1: to Israel to help draw a line under the twelve
Speaker 1: days of conflict. Of course, twelve days ago is when
Speaker 1: the Israelis decided to well take on Iran directly wipe
Speaker 1: out as much of their military and even political infrastructure
Speaker 1: as possible. There was, then, of course, before last weekend,
Speaker 1: an expectation that Donald Trump, after leaving that G seven
Speaker 1: meeting that was in Canada, was going to be joining
Speaker 1: the effort, or at least was considering joining the effort
Speaker 1: to hit Iran. That, of course, took place over the
Speaker 1: weekend during a period of time that the United States
Speaker 1: and through the President, of course, had said that they
Speaker 1: were going to make a decision within the next two weeks.
Speaker 1: Of course, even when that announcement had been made already
Speaker 1: the final planning was underway, so effectively there was no
Speaker 1: real attempt to move back to the negotiating table. There
Speaker 1: was a want for the President of the United States
Speaker 1: to do his bit to assist Israel, and that was
Speaker 1: to drop those bombs in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: in Operation Midnight Hammer, to take out three of the
Speaker 1: significant Israeli enrichment sites. And again reading through the tea
Speaker 1: leaves here, the expectation you would imagine of the President
Speaker 1: is in a transactional way to be attempting to say
Speaker 1: to the leadership of Israel, look, I stepped in, I helped.
Speaker 1: I'm now asking you to help me draw a lot
Speaker 1: under what is taking place. Because remember, under the temporary
Speaker 1: ceasefire that was announced at the start of today that
Speaker 1: kicked in this afternoon Australian time, that once we hit
Speaker 1: SA ten pm Australian time, without any further issues than
Speaker 1: that would move into a permanent ceasefire scenario. Of course,
Speaker 1: during that twenty four hour period, we've had Iran strike
Speaker 1: back at US military facilities like the ones we've been
Speaker 1: pointing out for the past few nights that are dotted
Speaker 1: all over the Middle East. Of course, Qatar Kuwait, now,
Speaker 1: the leadership of Qatar is outraged that Iran had decided
Speaker 1: to enter their airspace with missiles and knock out or
Speaker 1: try to disrupt those American bases. But also it seems
Speaker 1: that Iran had attempted on some level, perhaps because they
Speaker 1: had no further ability to do more damage, but in
Speaker 1: a face saving exercise, because remember, they don't care what
Speaker 1: the world thinks of them. They care about what is
Speaker 1: being consumed by their domestic population, and largely, while they
Speaker 1: have access to the Internet generally speaking, they also have
Speaker 1: access to things like VPNs to be able to get
Speaker 1: around the Iranian news services. The Iranian news services have
Speaker 1: been saying that the ceasefire only took place after Donald
Speaker 1: Trump had begged for a ceasefire after the so called
Speaker 1: destruction of the American bases. So we know that like
Speaker 1: everything international leaders, they have their own domestic populations to
Speaker 1: deal with. Understandably, the Israeli community wants the Israeli Prime
Speaker 1: Minister to respond to a missile that had fallen after
Speaker 1: the ceasefire had kicked in. That has taken life. From
Speaker 1: the Iranian perspective here, and I am not suggesting moral equivalents.
Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious who the aggressor in the scenario has been,
Speaker 1: and that has been, of course, Iran trying to get
Speaker 1: a nuclear bomb with the express permission of white Israel
Speaker 1: off the map, while they are trying to tell their
Speaker 1: own people that they stood up for themselves, they fought
Speaker 1: back when it came to Israel, but more importantly, they
Speaker 1: were able to push America back into its own corner. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously that is not true. But as you've heard in
Speaker 1: the past fifteen minutes or so, Donald Trump essentially again
Speaker 1: saying to the Israelis, please help me draw a line
Speaker 1: under all of this. I helped you, so please help me.
Speaker 1: But obviously, again there are people on all elements of
Speaker 1: this who want to make sure that their main constituency
Speaker 1: is not the international community, but about what will be
Speaker 1: taken from home. Let's go to a full frame here
Speaker 1: as we start to see the cameras move away from
Speaker 1: Air Force One, as it starts to make its taxi
Speaker 1: away and the journey towards yet another international meeting. Think
Speaker 1: about what has happened, and this is extraordinary, Think about
Speaker 1: what has happened in the past seven days. In the
Speaker 1: past well twelve days, of course, is when the first
Speaker 1: of the Israeli strikes on a Ran helped blow major
Speaker 1: holes in their political and military infrastructure, as well as
Speaker 1: the threat that they pose, at very least the nuclear
Speaker 1: threat that they posed to other nations certainly focused specifically
Speaker 1: in and around Israel. About a week ago, you had
Speaker 1: the President of the United States who was in a
Speaker 1: meeting with other world leaders in Canada. That was a
Speaker 1: two day meeting of the Australian Prime minister scheduled to
Speaker 1: be meeting on that second day, but he left after
Speaker 1: the first day. Now, apparently, in part that was because
Speaker 1: the Iranians had apparently delivered a direct threat through a proxy. Now,
Speaker 1: whether that means staffers, people at the meeting, or potentially
Speaker 1: another world leader, part of the story that we will
Speaker 1: eventually learn when people are asked more questions or write
Speaker 1: their books or anything like that in the next little while.
Speaker 1: And the direct threat was that if you come after us,
Speaker 1: then we are going to come after America in America,
Speaker 1: because we already have people loyal to the regime in Iran,
Speaker 1: and those people will commit deadly suicide terrorist attacks. That
Speaker 1: was the moment that Donald Trump decided I'm out. He
Speaker 1: left that meeting of the G seven halfway through. He
Speaker 1: returned to the situation room where apparently the final elements
Speaker 1: of the planning, or at least the beginning of the
Speaker 1: permission for the bunkerbuster strikes in Iran were being put
Speaker 1: in place at the end of last week. Going into
Speaker 1: last weekend, Iran believed, or at least what was being
Speaker 1: said publicly, that they were being given a two week
Speaker 1: window to talk. That was being interpreted as a two
Speaker 1: week window to maybe move some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: they didn't want to get blown up in those strikes
Speaker 1: by the United States and Israel. For those things to
Speaker 1: be moved out, there has been some footage of a
Speaker 1: train load of semi trailers that were moving equipment out
Speaker 1: of some of those facilities. Again, then last weekend, the
Speaker 1: scenario of the US strikes where there were fourteen fourteen
Speaker 1: of those bunker buster bombs that were dropped in three
Speaker 1: separate locations, as well as our whole collection of Tomahawk
Speaker 1: and other missiles which were being fired from, among other things,
Speaker 1: submarines and carriers that were in the area, pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 1: Then again, chronologically following through these incredible days, then Israel
Speaker 1: decided to continue with its strikes, particularly as we were
Speaker 1: live on the air. Remember things like the doors being
Speaker 1: blown off at prison where political prisoners were also they
Speaker 1: were taking after and moving closer towards trying to destroy
Speaker 1: things that were part of the Iranian regime. Of course,
Speaker 1: their tight control over the country. Now while obviously, when
Speaker 1: we've been hearing about some of the missiles and ordinance
Speaker 1: that they have been hurling towards Israel, some of them
Speaker 1: being as old as technology from the nineteen eighties, their
Speaker 1: capacity to keep throwing things seems to be very much dilapidated.
Speaker 1: We then had the scenario where, of course, the Iranian
Speaker 1: foreign minister went to Russia while we were on the
Speaker 1: air last night, and the Russians have said today that
Speaker 1: there best support that they could offer to Iran was
Speaker 1: not as the former Russian president but still part of
Speaker 1: the Security Council in Russia had said, which was to
Speaker 1: offer a nuclear bomb already made one to the Iranians. Instead,
Speaker 1: it was to support the ceasefire. Then, of course, the
Speaker 1: ceasefire rolls in a missile lands in the north of Israel.
Speaker 1: The President says, let's rule the line under it. Israel
Speaker 1: says they are set to respond, and we could hear
Speaker 1: something any moment now. But as you can see, Air
Speaker 1: Force one is making its journey from the United States
Speaker 1: to the Hague in Europe for another meeting of world leaders. Again.
Speaker 1: Seven days in the world, twelve thirteen days in the
Speaker 1: Middle East that we've all seen play out live on
Speaker 1: our televisions, morning, noon, and night, no matter where we are,
Speaker 1: all the way around the world. But the message from
Speaker 1: the President of the United States before getting on that
Speaker 1: plane was, Israel, do not drop those bombs. I do
Speaker 1: not respond to what had taken place. If you do,
Speaker 1: it is a major violation. Bring your pilots home. Now
Speaker 1: as we speak, we are searching for all of the
Speaker 1: usual sources for information from the Israeli government, be it
Speaker 1: the Defense Minister, the political officials, or the office of
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister. Again, suggestions were that he was to
Speaker 1: make a statement at some point in the next few minutes.
Speaker 1: But again, Donald Trump, the direct message here to Benjamin
Speaker 1: Netanyahu and the Israeli military leadership has helped me draw
Speaker 1: a line. Let's make the ceasefire come true. By not
Speaker 1: responding to the Iranian missile that fell after the ceasefire
Speaker 1: had kicked in at two o'clock Australian Eastern Standard time.
Speaker 3: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so
Speaker 3: long and so hard that they don't know what the
Speaker 3: they're doing.
Speaker 1: Okay, even tougher stuff that is being said here and
Speaker 1: certainly a frustration from the President. One of the things
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump when it comes to these situations is
Speaker 1: he doesn't hide. We know what he's thinking. Middle of
Speaker 1: the night, middle of the day, He'll bang it out
Speaker 1: on social media. He'll then go to a press conference,
Speaker 1: make it very clear, and then step in essentially to
Speaker 1: say in a very direct way, the cooler heads need
Speaker 1: to prevail at this particular moment. Now, our plan this
Speaker 1: evening is to talk Togiel Farrage, of course, the potential
Speaker 1: future Prime Minister of the UK man of course leading
Speaker 1: the Reform Party. In between, we will be going to
Speaker 1: lots of other locations around the country. We will also
Speaker 1: be having more conversations if we can fit them in,
Speaker 1: in and around Australian domestic politics. But for obvious reasons,
Speaker 1: real time, real moments. Now again, I'm going to have
Speaker 1: to send a message live to the team behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: is that, if possible. Obviously there's an F word in there,
Speaker 1: but I'd like to see the longest version of the
Speaker 1: comments that the President made while he was leaving the
Speaker 1: White House because generally speaking, all world leaders, Australian leaders
Speaker 1: as well. They may want to get a message out,
Speaker 1: which means they only answer one question. The theatrics in
Speaker 1: and around an American president and this was perfected by
Speaker 1: Donald Trump in his first term, practiced by Joe Biden
Speaker 1: in the second term, and space is sparsely but still
Speaker 1: used by Donald Trump in his second term, which is
Speaker 1: to make comments on the So the southern lawn of
Speaker 1: the White House, the one that is closer towards the
Speaker 1: Washington Monument, then of course the view that is available
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania Avenue. And because of the whirring sounds of
Speaker 1: the helicopter, often when people are trying to ask questions,
Speaker 1: the president could pretend not to hear. But in this scenario,
Speaker 1: the president not to only slowed down, he turned, he
Speaker 1: moved to the reporters. He clearly wanted to be asked
Speaker 1: as many questions as possible. He didn't just answer one,
Speaker 1: he answered multiple and included the little le f bomb.
Speaker 1: So again, I don't know if I can play the
Speaker 1: full amount of it here if we have a full
Speaker 1: tape to turn around. We don't have it right now,
Speaker 1: but we will get to it in a moment or
Speaker 1: two time. Also worth noting about what has been taking
Speaker 1: place about the Israeli position before in and around the
Speaker 1: six o'clock hour on the Australian Eastern side of things,
Speaker 1: was that the Israeli Prime Minister had apparently put some
Speaker 1: sort of another statement out here and I'm going to
Speaker 1: read it for you here breaking news on and off
Speaker 1: of the glasses. I reported to our security Cabinet that
Speaker 1: Israel achieved all of our war goals in the operation,
Speaker 1: including removing the threat of Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile programs.
Speaker 1: Israel also damaged Iran's military leadership and several government sites,
Speaker 1: and achieved control over Tran's skies. So that statement was
Speaker 1: made when the assumption was everyone's going to hold the
Speaker 1: line when it comes to the ceasefire. Then missile falls
Speaker 1: into the north of Israel again in between about six
Speaker 1: thirty I think it was Australian Eastern Times, the Sydney, Melbourne,
Speaker 1: Brisbane and Canberra. Then immediate announcement from the defense officials
Speaker 1: in Israel was that they were going to respond with
Speaker 1: maximum force. So it wasn't just going to be a
Speaker 1: one for one missile exchange, but it was going to
Speaker 1: be a full and punishing response because this particular missile
Speaker 1: has taken human life. Therefore, the President, and you've seen
Speaker 1: his anger and you've seen his frustration, is that you
Speaker 1: had a scenario where both of the players in terms
Speaker 1: of Israel and Iran, had in and around that ceasefire
Speaker 1: time said that they had achieved everything that they had
Speaker 1: wanted to achieve. An Iranian missile lands in the north
Speaker 1: of Israel, and that throws everything into chaos again. No
Speaker 1: other formal response from the Israeli government. Sophie Ellsworth is
Speaker 1: the europe correspondent for News Corps. She has spent some
Speaker 1: time in Israel in the past week. It is a
Speaker 1: febriar situation always, but certainly when the President of the
Speaker 1: United States is throwing f bombs in frustration, we are
Speaker 1: at a very interesting moment in time. In fact, I
Speaker 1: know we played at once. I want to play it
Speaker 1: again so you can hear it. I know you were
Speaker 1: setting up as well. So but here is the President
Speaker 1: expressing deep frustration, yes, with both sides, but in this
Speaker 1: hour a frustration with Israel, essentially appealing to them to
Speaker 1: help him hold the cease fire in place. Here were
Speaker 1: his comments on the South Lawn again. I hope to
Speaker 1: play you the full exchange, which goes for a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes on the other side of this conversation with Sophie.
Speaker 1: But let's hear what he had to say.
Speaker 3: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so
Speaker 3: long and so hard that they're don't know what the
Speaker 3: they're doing.
Speaker 1: All right, Sophie, again, you know this part of the
Speaker 1: world well, but you also know that the Americans have
Speaker 1: been nothing but supportive when it comes to Israel. The leadership.
Speaker 1: The reference, of course, with Donald Trump referring to the
Speaker 1: partnership that he was having basically is I think in
Speaker 1: one of the previous social posts he referred to a
Speaker 1: great team that he and Benjamin Ettnie who had made well.
Speaker 1: He's annoyed with his teammate tonight.
Speaker 4: He absolutely is, Paul. You can see the frustration. You
Speaker 4: can hear the frustration. His words speak for themselves. Obviously,
Speaker 4: this is a situation is moving so quickly. But just
Speaker 4: a few days ago, Paul, we were talking on your
Speaker 4: program and I was showing you those giant signs in
Speaker 4: the background on a freeway. I was standing that said,
Speaker 4: thank you, mister President. Israelis were so happy with his
Speaker 4: actions that resulted in those you know taking out the
Speaker 4: new clip you know, positions in Iran, and they were
Speaker 4: very grateful for that. But this has moved so quickly now.
Speaker 4: Just earlier this morning, I was in northern Israel when
Speaker 4: those alerts went off. I got one on my phone saying,
Speaker 4: run to shelter. I was on a freeway in a car,
Speaker 4: had to quickly pull over and find a safe room
Speaker 4: in a bunker. But this is extraordinary that Donald Trump
Speaker 4: has come out and made these comments. I was talking
Speaker 4: to Israelis when I was in this bunker, and they're
Speaker 4: sort of saying to me, well, you know, the ceasefires
Speaker 4: only a few hours in. It takes time. Now it
Speaker 4: happened about ten thirty local time. We're seven hours behind
Speaker 4: in his So this situation is so volatile. But I
Speaker 4: can certainly tell you, Paul, there's many people who still
Speaker 4: remain very nervous of where this will go next. And
Speaker 4: it appears perhaps this cease fire is failing and failing fast.
Speaker 1: Now again the frustration of the President, because his emotions
Speaker 1: in all of this are key, no doubt. Of course,
Speaker 1: a very ongoing communication that's happened between Israel and the
Speaker 1: United States leader to the leader, and then obviously up
Speaker 1: and down the military chain. Normally, in moments like this,
Speaker 1: we're able to see pretty fast response from Israel and
Speaker 1: its government in real time via a whole collection of
Speaker 1: social media. Yet again we're seeing a scenario where at
Speaker 1: this moment there seems to be radio silence coming from
Speaker 1: the Israeli government.
Speaker 4: Well, this has only just happened, Paul, Donald Trump has
Speaker 4: only made these comments a short time ago. But yes,
Speaker 4: the Israeli government are always very quick to respond.
Speaker 2: They're prolific on.
Speaker 4: Social media, and they're updating, you know, their various channels,
Speaker 4: you know, minute by minute, so you know it won't
Speaker 4: be long before they hit back. But I can't imagine
Speaker 4: the Israeli government will be thrilled with President Trump's latest comments.
Speaker 4: But Paul, this this is just such an evolving situation.
Speaker 4: Who knows where it will go next, And many people
Speaker 4: are in doubt. Now, you know, should Israel hit back?
Speaker 4: Should they cop it from Iran? Did Iran do the
Speaker 4: wrong thing? They sent those missiles to northern Israel when
Speaker 4: the ceasefire had started. Now, it was interesting because Israeli
Speaker 4: seemed when I asked that as I said, just hold on,
Speaker 4: you know, it's only a few hours in. I was
Speaker 4: surprised with that reaction. I thought they would really hit
Speaker 4: out and say this is not on. They've already broken
Speaker 4: this cease fire.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think we're going to chance to play the
Speaker 1: full version of the Trump comments in a moment. So
Speaker 1: I'll ask you one more question as we put to
Speaker 1: those that technology in place, Sophie. But again, please stick
Speaker 1: with us for as long as you can in this
Speaker 1: scenario where we've had literally, man incredible twelve thirteen days.
Speaker 1: We've talked about that, the military side of things, the
Speaker 1: political side of things. This time last week it was
Speaker 1: the G seven. He's on his way now to NATO.
Speaker 1: It is extraordinary that we are seeing as much as
Speaker 1: we are seeing in real time. Where we see negotiations,
Speaker 1: we also see that whatever the expectation is of the
Speaker 1: news day, it often ends up being upended, and very quickly. So,
Speaker 1: even though it's meant to be a meeting in the Hague,
Speaker 1: who knows how quickly before either he turns the plane around,
Speaker 1: comes back, or how long he even stays there.
Speaker 4: Well, Paul, really, I mean, just to keep the inside
Speaker 4: of the media, they are working absolutely around the clock
Speaker 4: on this story. Especially when we're sending stories back to Australia.
Speaker 4: Things are happening in different time zone. Stuff is happening
Speaker 4: so quickly, updates and changing everything rapidly that the dial
Speaker 4: can be shifted within minutes. I mean, one minute, you know,
Speaker 4: we're in a hotel bunker filing about missile attacks. Next minute,
Speaker 4: there's a cease fire. Next minute, the ceasefire is broken.
Speaker 4: Next minute we're pulling over on a highway because there's
Speaker 4: missile alerts going off. I mean, it's so unpredictable, Paul,
Speaker 4: and so concerning for people, particularly in Israel, who just
Speaker 4: don't know what's going to happen next. And while they
Speaker 4: were very happy with Donald Trump and the US's actions
Speaker 4: earlier in the week, I'm pretty a certain Paul, there's
Speaker 4: not many people in Israel resting easily, and especially with
Speaker 4: his latest developments this morning, because that ceasefire was so
Speaker 4: critical and it now appears that it has failed very
Speaker 4: early in But look, we could be talking in a
Speaker 4: few hours and this could drastically shift yet again.
Speaker 1: Paul. Yeah, absolutely, all right, Sophie. Look, I'm going to
Speaker 1: put you on standby, but I know, We've got lots
Speaker 1: of things to bounce around right now and including whatever
Speaker 1: you might be up to. And I'm going to hold
Speaker 1: you any longer than you're available to us. But thank
Speaker 1: you so much for being here, all right, So let
Speaker 1: me get back to this. Donald Trump has really shaken
Speaker 1: things up, shown an absolute frustration with Israel and the
Speaker 1: potential Israeli military response to the Iranian missile that landed
Speaker 1: and killed people in Israel after the ceasefire came into
Speaker 1: effect two o'clock this afternoon Australi in Eastern time. He's
Speaker 1: currently in a plane on his way to a meeting
Speaker 1: of NATO leaders, many of the key security leaders around
Speaker 1: the world and certainly the focus of the Western world.
Speaker 1: Before that, he put out a truth social post where
Speaker 1: essentially he in all caps the Internet equivalent of yelling,
Speaker 1: he told the Israelis essentially, do not respond. We have
Speaker 1: to draw a line. Please help me draw the line.
Speaker 1: He then goes downstairs on his way towards the helicopter
Speaker 1: and made comments which are going to be well obvious
Speaker 1: in real time huge news, but certainly ones that I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring you in full because even though the
Speaker 1: highlights we have shown you of key messages and this
Speaker 1: moment of dropping an F bomb. I wanted you to
Speaker 1: see the full comments because, as always, when you see
Speaker 1: things in their context as live, you're able to have
Speaker 1: the better insight as to what's going on, rather than
Speaker 1: somebody like myself trying to interpret it for you. So
Speaker 1: here is a couple of minutes, in fact, the full
Speaker 1: exchange that the President Donald Trump had with reporters at
Speaker 1: the White House before getting on the chopper to get
Speaker 1: on the plane to go to the Hague.
Speaker 2: That Israel's going out.
Speaker 3: Now, there was one racket that I guess was fired overboard.
Speaker 3: I was after the time limit and at best at targets,
Speaker 3: and now Israel's going out.
Speaker 2: These guys got to calm down ridiculously and to be
Speaker 2: ting by. I didn't like plenty of things I saw yesterday.
Speaker 3: I didn't like the fact that is you're unloaded right
Speaker 3: after we made the deal.
Speaker 2: They didn't have to unload.
Speaker 3: And I didn't like the fact that the retaliation was
Speaker 3: very strong. But in all fairness is you unloaded a lot.
Speaker 3: And now I hear Israel just went out because they
Speaker 3: felt it was violated by one.
Speaker 2: Rocket that didn't land anywhere.
Speaker 3: That's not what we want, I'll tell you, and I'm
Speaker 3: telling you I'm not happy about that Israel either.
Speaker 2: All I do is play both sides.
Speaker 3: I'm going now, as you know, Tonado, some of you
Speaker 3: are going with me, and I.
Speaker 2: Think it's going to be uh successful. We'll see. I'll
Speaker 2: let you know. Are you always thinking remits? If you've
Speaker 2: gone in the Middle East agreements? You managed to achieve?
Speaker 2: What enough fruits?
Speaker 4: Use the plans for the region, for Saudi Arabia, Israel
Speaker 4: does of the hostages.
Speaker 3: Look, you're asking me about women in the Middle East.
Speaker 3: It's getting a lot better.
Speaker 2: Things are happening at a high level. As you know,
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia has done a really good job. It's coming
Speaker 2: out far, far faster than I thought.
Speaker 3: So we're very happy about what's happening with women in
Speaker 3: the Middle East.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it. Have you gone in the Middle
Speaker 2: East that you meant it to achieve? Last night? You
Speaker 2: know the region is going to a new placemen. Can
Speaker 2: you talk what your UTA plans for godsap, what do
Speaker 2: you have to do? Though it's a new dawn. I
Speaker 2: appreciate the question. You're very nice. Who you of Israel
Speaker 2: calmed down because they went on a mission this morning.
Speaker 2: I gotta get Israel to calm down. Now, do you
Speaker 2: have to speak with the l and you talk.
Speaker 3: Everybody both sides not to violate the seaspier, but three
Speaker 3: folks coming from the reach.
Speaker 2: And such as that. Besides, I accuse each other for
Speaker 2: a violighting Sepi. So I think what violated it.
Speaker 3: I don't think they I'm not sure they did it intentionally.
Speaker 2: They couldn't rain people back.
Speaker 3: I don't like the fact that Israel went out this
Speaker 3: morning at all. And I'm going to see if I
Speaker 3: can stop it. So as soon as I get away
Speaker 3: from you, I'm going to see if I can stop it.
Speaker 2: And I think it's been completely demolished.
Speaker 3: I think the reason we're here is because those pilots,
Speaker 3: there's be two pilots.
Speaker 2: Did an unbelievable job.
Speaker 3: And you know, the fake news like CNN in particular,
Speaker 3: they're trying to you know, they're trying to say, well,
Speaker 3: I agree that it was destroyed, but maybe not that destroyed.
Speaker 2: You know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: They're really hurting great pilots that put their lives in
Speaker 3: the line. CNN has scum, and so is MSDNC they're
Speaker 3: all and frankly the networks.
Speaker 2: Aren't much better.
Speaker 3: It's all fake news. But they should not have done that.
Speaker 3: By those pilots hit their targets. Those targets were obliterated,
Speaker 3: and the pilots should be given credit. They're not after
Speaker 3: The pilots are after me. They want to try and
Speaker 3: to meet rebuild it super a promrale. I mean, Iran
Speaker 3: will never rebuild it. Duclin from there, absolutely not. That
Speaker 3: place is under rock. That place is demolished. The B
Speaker 3: two pilots did their job. They did it better than
Speaker 3: anybody could even imagine. They hit late in the evening,
Speaker 3: it was dark with no moon, and they hit that
Speaker 3: target with every one of those things.
Speaker 2: And that place is gone.
Speaker 3: But when I see CNN all night longer're trying to say,
Speaker 3: well maybe it wasn't really as demolished.
Speaker 2: As we thought.
Speaker 3: There was demolished, and you take a look at the
Speaker 3: pinpricks and you see that place is gone. And I
Speaker 3: will say, I think CNN or to apologize to the
Speaker 3: pilots of the V two's, I think that MSD and
Speaker 3: c O to apologize. I think these guys really these
Speaker 3: networks are these cable networks.
Speaker 2: Are real losers. You really are. You're realizing.
Speaker 3: You're gutless losers. I say that the CNN because I
Speaker 3: watch it. I have no choice. I gotta watch that garbage.
Speaker 3: It's all garbage, it's all fakeds. But I think CNN
Speaker 3: is a gutless group of people and the people that
Speaker 3: run it.
Speaker 2: Nobody even knows.
Speaker 3: There's been sold so many times, but the people that
Speaker 3: run it over to be ashamed. MSD and see a
Speaker 3: guy named Brian Roberts. He had said he's a disgrace.
Speaker 3: Is a week fathetic disgrace.
Speaker 1: Even when world events are taking place, ceasefires are barely
Speaker 1: holding in the Middle East, plenty to say about the
Speaker 1: American media. Is the President of the United States. He
Speaker 1: is now in the middle well the beginnings of an
Speaker 1: eight hour flight between Washington and the Hague in the Netherlands,
Speaker 1: and he's back on social media. Another statement from the
Speaker 1: President of the United States as he is settled into
Speaker 1: his chair, Israel is not going to attack Iran. All
Speaker 1: parties will turn around and head home while doing a
Speaker 1: friendly plane wave to Iran. Nobody will be hurt. The
Speaker 1: ceasefire is in effect. Thank you for your attention to
Speaker 1: this matter. Donald J. Trump, President of the United States.
Speaker 1: Now let's keep that up on screen for a second,
Speaker 1: because obviously you can interpret this one or two ways.
Speaker 1: You can interpret this as he has received some sort
Speaker 1: of assurance that Israel is not going to attack Iran,
Speaker 1: or that is him predicting that Israel is not going
Speaker 1: to attack Iran. Why because, of course, as he had
Speaker 1: said earlier in the day, and earlier he made those
Speaker 1: particular comments. All right, now, we are going to weave
Speaker 1: in and out of this and some Australian news, but
Speaker 1: I've got a feeling we're going to be doing a
Speaker 1: lot more breaking news coverage in the next little while,
Speaker 1: so quick break now, plenty more to come. Get another
Speaker 1: special live news edition of Paul Murray live here on
Speaker 1: Sky News. Thanks for watching, Tod Dure. It's an eight
Speaker 1: hour trip that the President is making and he is
Speaker 1: banging it out on truth. Social Iran will never rebuild
Speaker 1: their nuclear facilities is the latest of the messages that
Speaker 1: he has put out, of course, in the frustration that
Speaker 1: he has right now with Israel still waiting to hear
Speaker 1: if anything from them. In the meantime, our plan was
Speaker 1: to have quite the conversation about Australian politics. Because I've
Speaker 1: got something special for you, which is Linda Scott and
Speaker 1: James Ashby in the man Cave tonight. But alas the
Speaker 1: world is always getting in the way of things. Lovely
Speaker 1: to see you both. Good, see you mate. So to
Speaker 1: see the president dropping any bomb live on TV. And
Speaker 1: also he's pretty clear here, which is regardless of what
Speaker 1: happened a week ago, regardless of what happened two days ago,
Speaker 1: he says, regardless of what has happened in Israel tonight, Israel,
Speaker 1: hold off, don't respond.
Speaker 5: Look, it's actual bombs and an f bomb from the
Speaker 5: US president in one week. So it's pretty extraordinary time.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting because we have seen so many foreign
Speaker 5: affairs you know, and diplomacy officials talking for so long
Speaker 5: about how the second wave of a Trump administration would create,
Speaker 5: you know, real regime change for the world, and we
Speaker 5: are now seeing that. I think it's a very dangerous environment.
Speaker 5: We've got QUANTUS planes turning back over these airspaces, and
Speaker 5: I know the Australian government's working very hard to keep
Speaker 5: a watch on everything, but there's not just you know,
Speaker 5: the US, Israel and Iran here, we've got a whole
Speaker 5: lot of countries looking on very closely, Pakistan, a range
Speaker 5: of others, so a very dangerous, volatile and.
Speaker 1: Of course getting close to five thousand people who are
Speaker 1: in this region who want to get back. They obviously
Speaker 1: can't because of those closed airports at the moment. But again, James,
Speaker 1: the thing that I find fascinating, and again we can
Speaker 1: do two things at once, which is to look at
Speaker 1: the whole situation as well as the incremental things that
Speaker 1: are happening. Trump doesn't hide what he's thinking. He doesn't
Speaker 1: he's essentially and the joy of the technology means that
Speaker 1: he's not waiting for the back channel. He's just blasting
Speaker 1: it straight out and the world can all find out
Speaker 1: together in real time what he's thinking.
Speaker 6: Well, I like the fact that Trump is living up
Speaker 6: to what he said he does not want war and
Speaker 6: to be able to turn around and just moments ago
Speaker 6: say that Israel have turned back at jets is a
Speaker 6: good sign because that is not what the world wants.
Speaker 6: We've made it very clear. I think what's happened in
Speaker 6: the last week has been necessary. We've been very, very
Speaker 6: very confident that this will end, and it will end soon.
Speaker 6: It may not have ended as quickly as what Trump
Speaker 6: had wanted. But it can't go on for long, as
Speaker 6: I say, it got lots of things to get to tonight.
Speaker 6: Nigel Farage will join us very shortly from the United Kingdom.
Speaker 6: So let's try to bounce through a couple of local
Speaker 6: issues here, including one that literally affects you, James, which
Speaker 6: is the staffing levels that the re elected government has
Speaker 6: now decided to impose upon anyone who is not one
Speaker 6: of their political friends.
Speaker 1: Now what are we saying here. We're saying that there
Speaker 1: has previously been about twenty twenty one percent of the
Speaker 1: total amount of government staffing is given to opposition parties. Now,
Speaker 1: whether the assumption is here because there are so few
Speaker 1: members of the opposition therefore fewer staff. But remember this
Speaker 1: is an alternative government, right. We have the absurdity of
Speaker 1: places like Queensland where David Cruci fully remember told me
Speaker 1: that the entire staff of the opposition was twenty people.
Speaker 1: This is verse the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds that
Speaker 1: are working in all different parts of the machine. And
Speaker 1: that's bad for democracy, right. Regardless of whether it's a
Speaker 1: Team Red or Team blue, you want the people who
Speaker 1: are your political opponents to have professional staff around them,
Speaker 1: but it seems there might be something rather specific about
Speaker 1: the staff behaviors towards One Nation.
Speaker 6: Well, what I found most disturbing the Prime Minister clearly
Speaker 6: backchanneled media before he gave any decency to go and
Speaker 6: have those discussions with the senators or the party leaders
Speaker 6: that were about to lose staff. I had staff wake
Speaker 6: up this morning texting saying, am I losing my job?
Speaker 6: We hadn't even received the latter. Now that's despicable. And
Speaker 6: to think that this Prime Minister has cherry picked his
Speaker 6: friends and then flicked his enemies. That's precisely what he's done.
Speaker 6: He has said we're halving One Nation staff numbers. The
Speaker 6: personal staff will be halved, he said. Ralph Babett has
Speaker 6: lost staff today. He has had his personal staff halfd
Speaker 6: But the likes of Tammy Tyrrell, David Pocock, Jackie Lamby haven't. Yeah,
Speaker 6: now one in all in or you just can't cherry
Speaker 6: pick your friends.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. But also remember I mean literally One
Speaker 1: Nation doubled its representation, sure, Senate, but it will have
Speaker 1: the same amount of staff as when they had half
Speaker 1: of what they got at the election. Let's also talk
Speaker 1: here about News Wales and Queensland budgets because again I'm
Speaker 1: aware that at any second we could be off to
Speaker 1: what the President is tweeting today. New South Wales, Linda,
Speaker 1: what did you think of the budget that was handed
Speaker 1: down by the Labor government in New South Wales.
Speaker 5: Well, I've just come from being with Premier Chris Mins
Speaker 5: and Daniel Morkid. Christmins did want me to say hello
Speaker 5: to you and today Bremer Hello Sky News audience from Chrismins.
Speaker 5: He's got friends.
Speaker 2: Everywhere, everywhere, made everything.
Speaker 1: Across the nation.
Speaker 5: I think the two hallmark things in the New South
Speaker 5: Wales budget today the billion dollar investment in housing through
Speaker 5: supporting to help developers loan for properties to get them
Speaker 5: to access finance. That he's going to fast track homes
Speaker 5: out of the ground and hopefully create more accessible, affordable
Speaker 5: homes for New South Wales a big priority. And the
Speaker 5: other big landmark is the one point two billion dollar
Speaker 5: investment in foster caring and child protection. We know in
Speaker 5: so many parts of Australia vulnerable children do better when
Speaker 5: they have great foster care, when they have better support
Speaker 5: and wrap around services, and that you know one point
Speaker 5: two billion dollars. I think is a really landmark labor
Speaker 5: decision and I'm really personally proud of that. I think
Speaker 5: it's an extraordinary thing.
Speaker 1: A Queensland also pat it's budget today.
Speaker 6: James Well not overly impressed in the fact that they
Speaker 6: haven't done something about the royalties on coal. We know
Speaker 6: well me especially living in Central Queensland, we've seen coal
Speaker 6: mines going backwards. The cost of production outweighs what they're
Speaker 6: getting on the spot market at the present moment, and
Speaker 6: the only winners are the state government. Meanwhile, we've got
Speaker 6: more and more minds considering going into care and maintenance,
Speaker 6: which means the loss of thousands of jobs, particularly in
Speaker 6: the Central Queensland region. And unfortunately for a lot of
Speaker 6: people they don't realize we've got fly and fly out
Speaker 6: miners from city regions as well as our regional areas,
Speaker 6: and so the impact that that's having is far far
Speaker 6: greater than what most people recognize. When it comes to
Speaker 6: the housing investment that Queensland's looking at, I'm still not
Speaker 6: sold yet. I'm not confident that a state government should
Speaker 6: be allowing people to buy a million dollar home with
Speaker 6: a two percent deposit and the state government goes in
Speaker 6: as an equity partner with thirty percent. It just doesn't
Speaker 6: make sense to me. And effectively, you can buy a
Speaker 6: million dollar property with a twenty thousand dollar deposit. It
Speaker 6: just rubs me a bit the wrong way as a taxpayer.
Speaker 6: And I just don't know, if you don't have enough
Speaker 6: skin in the game, are you going to look after
Speaker 6: that place the way you would if you really save
Speaker 6: that ten percent fifteen percent.
Speaker 1: Last one here is about the social media changes that
Speaker 1: are going to happen around age limits to access things
Speaker 1: like X and meta and all of those things. The
Speaker 1: East Safety Commissioner, the Computer Karen says that YouTube should
Speaker 1: be part of this where basically because of course we
Speaker 1: know that there's all sorts of stuff on YouTube, right
Speaker 1: from good funny, satirical political cartoons on Paul and Hanson's
Speaker 1: Please Explain to Fail videos, but there's also a lot
Speaker 1: of rougher stuff out there. The company, though, which of
Speaker 1: course is googled. Linda, would say, well, there's already a
Speaker 1: platform called YouTube Kids. That's the one that they should
Speaker 1: be focused on. There's not a kid's version of X,
Speaker 1: so they've already demarketed and it's up to the parent
Speaker 1: what they download. What do you think.
Speaker 5: Look, I think this social media reformed by the Labor
Speaker 5: government is world leading reforms and it's reasonable that they
Speaker 5: take some time to figure out what is going to
Speaker 5: be in and what is going to be out, and
Speaker 5: I think it's important to look hard at that. I
Speaker 5: don't think there's many parents in Australia, and I speak
Speaker 5: as a parent of two lovely teenage boys who are
Speaker 5: not worried.
Speaker 1: About this though.
Speaker 5: And I think that no platform can guarantee a child
Speaker 5: is not going to see something that's unsafe. They can't.
Speaker 5: It's just called that out. And yet they do use
Speaker 5: many of these platforms for learning. So look, I don't
Speaker 5: have a definitive view. I think it's good for the
Speaker 5: government to look at it, but these world leading reforms
Speaker 5: are important to do.
Speaker 1: I want to be respectful to Nigel in a moment,
Speaker 1: so give me the thirty second version, James.
Speaker 6: Look, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for YouTube.
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, my business ran off
Speaker 6: me and my staff learning off YouTube, and kids are
Speaker 6: the same way. I wouldn't deprive a child from learning
Speaker 6: how to use the Adobe package on YouTube and so
Speaker 6: I'm not for it.
Speaker 1: Parents need to take it more. Chares free, tap free
Speaker 1: tabe all right. See if they didn't get something in,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a normal show. Alas, I have to
Speaker 1: end it there because the wonderful Nigel Frans joins us
Speaker 1: now from the UK. Nigel, in real time, we are
Speaker 1: seeing the President of the United States reacting to the
Speaker 1: events in the Middle East, including well swearing and being
Speaker 1: rather direct about it about his frustrations, particularly with Israel.
Speaker 1: Let's hear a bit of it, and I want to
Speaker 1: get your response.
Speaker 3: We basically have PIO codes that have been fighting so
Speaker 3: long and so hard that they don't know what the
Speaker 3: fuck they're doing.
Speaker 1: Nigel, what do you think? Sorry?
Speaker 7: I know I should laugh really, given how serious the
Speaker 7: situation in the Middle.
Speaker 1: East is, but it's difficult not to.
Speaker 7: It's very Donald, it's very Donald, very direct, and he's
Speaker 7: showing his anger. You know, he is trying like crazy
Speaker 7: with Russia and Ukraine. He's trying like crazy now in
Speaker 7: the last twenty four hours with Israel and Iran, and yeah,
Speaker 7: Israel aren't playing the game. Look, you know, he wants
Speaker 7: to be a peacemaker. That's his instinct. It always has been.
Speaker 7: But I'm afraid this situation in the Middle East is
Speaker 7: going to rumble on, I think for some considerable time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interestingly, Iran in the past couple of minutes has
Speaker 1: released the statement suggesting the revolution regards is that the
Speaker 1: final wave of attacks, they fired fourteen missiles, and they
Speaker 1: did so apparently minutes before the ceasefire. So again, the
Speaker 1: position of the president in all of this is when
Speaker 1: things land, but at some point you've got to rule
Speaker 1: a line under it. From the Israeli perspective, though, Nigel,
Speaker 1: apparently this has been fatal. There have been lives that
Speaker 1: have been lost by that final missile landing post and obviously,
Speaker 1: and always every government wants to respond when one of
Speaker 1: its own dies. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, the best hope we've got is that
Speaker 7: Israel have done this because they want to have the
Speaker 7: final word. Yeah, you know, I got the last blow
Speaker 7: in type of thing to say to my electorate. Let's
Speaker 7: hope it's that. Let's hope the whole thing doesn't break
Speaker 7: down completely and go back to where it was. But frankly,
Speaker 7: I was a bit skeptical last night when I saw
Speaker 7: the seas far I'm even more so now.
Speaker 1: Frankly, also again let's just again be in the middle
Speaker 1: of talking about the grains of sand and the minute
Speaker 1: by minutes, but then let's step back and have a look.
Speaker 1: Literally what an extraordinary two weeks. I mean an extraordinary
Speaker 1: two weeks where if two weeks ago we had talked
Speaker 1: about the potential of Israel hitting Iran, people would have
Speaker 1: assumed what is going to be? Would the America first
Speaker 1: guy get involved? Yes, within that period of time, in
Speaker 1: and out of international conferences and on his way towards
Speaker 1: the Hague, it has been an extraordinary period of time
Speaker 1: to be living through. Yes, it has.
Speaker 7: And actually, I mean what America did is one of
Speaker 7: their most significant interventions in decades. I mean, I don't
Speaker 7: think we should underestimate America getting involved in this. What
Speaker 7: it means, of course, what we can't deduce is just
Speaker 7: how much of the Iranian material has been destroyed? Did
Speaker 7: they get stuff out before?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I have to say personally, I believe America did the
Speaker 7: right thing. I think that the jcpoa deal that was
Speaker 7: done just over a decade ago by Obama, the European
Speaker 7: Union and the BRITZ was idiotic in the extreme, it
Speaker 7: freed up tens of billions of dollars.
Speaker 1: And what did the Uranians do?
Speaker 7: They funded the hooties Hamas and his Bulla and carried
Speaker 7: on enriching uranium. They are the really dangerous country in
Speaker 7: that region. So I do believe that America has done
Speaker 7: the right thing politically, though it is difficult for Trump
Speaker 7: to do anymore. The idea of sending the US army
Speaker 7: in I just don't believe the MAGA movement, be it
Speaker 7: Steve Bannon or anyone like that, would frankly put up
Speaker 7: with it. So I think Trump saw this as a
Speaker 7: swift intervention. I think he'll be reluctant to do much more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get that sense, and certainly the frustration in
Speaker 1: which that he has been expressing himself tonight would very
Speaker 1: much put that in the place. And now he's on
Speaker 1: his way to the Hague. He's on his way, of course,
Speaker 1: to the Netherlands. Of course, you will and truly aware
Speaker 1: of how the Europeans like to do things. Any last
Speaker 1: minute of advice about what it's like to swarm around
Speaker 1: with one of the ultimate versions of the political swamp.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think quite honesty. When you saw the G seven,
Speaker 7: the other week that he left early. It left the
Speaker 7: leaders of the European Union sort of, you know, flapping
Speaker 7: around a bit like fish you've just been taken out
Speaker 7: of water. He has no great love, he has no
Speaker 7: great love for the European Union whatsoever. But he might
Speaker 7: well have a nice word to say to the German Chancellor,
Speaker 7: who at least was supportive of what the Israelis and
Speaker 7: Americans have done. As for President Macron, well, he basically
Speaker 7: has said that the American attacks were illegal, and he's
Speaker 7: on the verge of recognizing, you know, Palestine, which would
Speaker 7: be a reward to Hamas. So I think if Donald
Speaker 7: Trump and Emmanuel Macron are in a room together, you'll
Speaker 7: hear some more of the juicy language we just heard
Speaker 7: as he was boarding the aeroplane.
Speaker 1: Correct, both of them speaking French. One that's audibly available
Speaker 1: to us who do not speak native tongue, but are
Speaker 1: aware of certainly what it means. Now, your poles keep
Speaker 1: getting better, stronger. No surprise there one pole. I think
Speaker 1: this was the Yugo pole through Sky News in the
Speaker 1: UK has reform in front of Labour twenty five twenty
Speaker 1: four Conservatives at twenty one, an Ipsos pole much much
Speaker 1: better which it has Reform at thirty four, Labour twenty five,
Speaker 1: the Conservatives back at fifteen. This is extraordinary. We talk
Speaker 1: about it, wek in week out, and these poles are
Speaker 1: way beyond fluke. A movement has been built and as
Speaker 1: you say, if you want reform, vote reform, and that
Speaker 1: seems to be where the majority of well people are
Speaker 1: starting to coalesce around.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean this time last year, exactly this time last year,
Speaker 7: reform didn't have a single MP nothing, and yet we
Speaker 7: are consistently leading in all of the opinion polls in
Speaker 7: some of.
Speaker 1: Them were leading by a lot. Why Why?
Speaker 7: Number one, there's a gap in the market. There is
Speaker 7: a talent gap in the market of an enormous magnitude. Secondly,
Speaker 7: I'm a known quantity. And thirdly, I have been talking
Speaker 7: about what damage net zero would do for years. I've
Speaker 7: been talking about young men, you know, undocumented young males
Speaker 7: coming into Britain in large numbers, causing problems, especially for
Speaker 7: British women. And I think, frankly, events over time have
Speaker 7: proven me.
Speaker 1: Right on things.
Speaker 7: This country wants someone to come in fix it and
Speaker 7: turn the country around. Right now, they're beginning to place
Speaker 7: their faith in me, and do you know what, I
Speaker 7: actually think they're right too, because I'm not afraid.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't back down and I know what
Speaker 1: I believe in. Yeah, certainly again, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the great lefty queens is just interrunting the former New
Speaker 1: Zealand Prime minister and she's got a book out in
Speaker 1: a documentary and all the rest of it. As they
Speaker 1: throw rose pedals at her. The only reason she was
Speaker 1: prime minister was because of of a guy called Winston
Speaker 1: Peters Right. New Zealand first was his is his political movement.
Speaker 1: He has done the same to put now the National
Speaker 1: Party in as the leaders in New Zealand. And he's
Speaker 1: come out today and he has spoken very strongly about
Speaker 1: low skilled immigration. Put simply his words, new Zealand has
Speaker 1: enough uber drivers. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I know Winston very well. He's a bit a friend
Speaker 7: of mine for a long time. I've even taken him
Speaker 7: to the Oval to watch cricket. So I Winsland and
Speaker 7: I think very alike. He's never been afraid to say
Speaker 7: what he thinks masses in New Zealand politics. He doesn't
Speaker 7: even make much of his own Marie background.
Speaker 1: He just is what he is.
Speaker 7: As you say, he has become the modern day kingmaker
Speaker 7: in New Zealand politics and he's right. Low skilled migration
Speaker 7: in the end costs a country money and it makes
Speaker 7: no sense.
Speaker 1: Good man. Thank you so much. Thank you, Nigel. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to you again at next week. Nae fras leader
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