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Speaker 1: speech is government's roadmap Housing roadmap, and it's going to

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Speaker 1: as well. Liam Golding, a CEO Urban Development Institute of

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Speaker 1: Their say, Liam, good morning, thank you for your time,

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Speaker 1: Math you could be with you. Likewise, what do you

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Speaker 2: I expect the Premier to talk about the scale of

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Speaker 2: the challenge that we have before us. We are facing

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Speaker 2: the complete shutdown of the housing industry and therefore no

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Speaker 2: Now this is important because so much of what the

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Speaker 2: us building more housing to bring in more workers, but

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Speaker 2: what we need to see from government is investment in

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Speaker 2: new infrastructure. The problem has been described as a billion

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Speaker 2: dollars worth of funding being brought forward to build the

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Speaker 1: So okay, we've got to go ahead and do this.

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Speaker 1: I mean we're going to have to anyway at some stage,

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Speaker 1: aren't we if we want housing to be built. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is part of it. It's all wrapped up.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's really no alternative in the very short term

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Speaker 2: new housing pipeline has already dried up. Data out of

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Speaker 2: SA Water shows that there's been about two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty agreements that allow precincts to be built, So it's

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Speaker 2: not just two hundred and fifty houses, two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty groups of houses. Two hundred of them happened before

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Speaker 2: So that's probably two things. It's a cash injection now,

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Speaker 2: but it's also system changes to ensure that we don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So where are we going to put them?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's another thing. The great raid Laid Regional Plan

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Speaker 2: taking us fair while and we'd like to see that

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Speaker 2: so houses aren't being built on this land yet. Included

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Speaker 1: You know, you look at the planning of that and

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Speaker 1: taking out all the traffic lights, and this housing development

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Speaker 1: traffic lights, just the dumbest move, and no transport infrastructure

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Speaker 1: such a poor effort in planning. It's an absolute fail

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Speaker 2: Definitely, and that's what we're trying to hear about today.

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Speaker 2: Today is really about water and stewer infrastructure. And I'm

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Speaker 2: getting the plans right for getting that long term. But

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Speaker 2: We need to get the infrastructure right for housing up front.

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Speaker 2: This is something the DA has been talking about for

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Speaker 2: Agenda for a couple of years ago was very strongly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Lee, appreciate your time, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Liam Golden, CEO Urban Development Institute of Say

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Speaker 1: Ross Womersley on the line CEOSA, Council of Social Services

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Speaker 1: and Ross. The housing is needed. Water bills they're going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly sounds as though that's on the way.

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Speaker 3: And I guess our concern, Matthew, would be that in

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Speaker 3: seen massive failures in our planning system to get a

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Speaker 3: Our real concern is protecting those low income households from

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Speaker 3: unlock the housing that we need, and to ensure that

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Speaker 3: we don't see consumers of water paying the bills. It

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just wonder how much more we can take. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you get it in one hand,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel like that. And I guess we

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Speaker 3: to continue to protect them. So there is that on

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Speaker 3: But we don't want to see all of that extra

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Speaker 3: and essentials like this kind of infrastructure along the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it is needed, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you want the houses and you certainly do too, Russ.

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Speaker 1: We've got to have the housing because that is in

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Speaker 1: such demand, but it does come at a price, and

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Speaker 1: we've all got to pick up that tag at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day. I suppose.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think we've been consistently saying to the government,

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Speaker 3: no matter who they are, that we actually have to

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Speaker 3: And this, of course is one of the issues that

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Speaker 3: we're now faced with with some of those areas out

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Speaker 3: planning hasn't been put in place and the incomes haven't

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Speaker 3: been put in place to ensure that the infrastructure is

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Speaker 3: being built in the way that it leads to. So

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Speaker 3: we absolutely want the government to be chasing the housing

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Speaker 3: supply and housing availability issues very very strongly in order

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Speaker 3: to protect sort of the broader issue across the housing

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Speaker 3: crisis that we're currently faced with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Ross, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, You're more than welcome, Matthew, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Ross Womersley there the CEO of SEKRSSA Council of Social services,