Speaker 1: Why On Sky News Australia. This is Denika the Georgio.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show now at the brand
Speaker 2: new time of seven pm every Sunday. Coming up tonight,
Speaker 2: a Sydney counselor compares Australia Day to the Holocaust and
Speaker 2: claimed supporters of January twenty six might start another genocide.
Speaker 2: I'll get reaction from Warren Mundine. Liberal MP Andrew Hasty
Speaker 2: set to challenge Susan Lee for the leadership as the
Speaker 2: coalition remains at odds. LMPMP Garth Hamilton is coming up.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister announces Australia's new ambassador to the United States.
Speaker 3: See ya later, Kevin Rudd.
Speaker 2: And what did Donald Trump say to offend military veterans
Speaker 2: around the world. I'll get reaction from retired Australian Army
Speaker 2: Major General Mick Ryan. But first tonight, Susan Lee's days
Speaker 2: are numbered as opposition leader. It seems increasingly likely she'll
Speaker 2: be rolled a week from Tuesday when the Liberal Party
Speaker 2: room meets.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Liberal MP Andrew Hasty has begun preparing a challenge and
Speaker 2: intends to stand for the leadership if a spill is
Speaker 2: called at that meeting.
Speaker 3: On February third.
Speaker 2: Though, this is hinging on whether or not Shadow Defense
Speaker 2: Minister Angus Taylor can demonstrate support for himself to take
Speaker 2: the role. But look, there's no doubt the time has come.
Speaker 2: Susan Lee has had a great summer. She held the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister to account after the Bondai massacre. She's been
Speaker 2: strong on radical Islam. She pushed Anthony Alberaneesi of course
Speaker 2: daily to call a royal commission and eventually he was dragged,
Speaker 2: kicking and screaming into doing so.
Speaker 3: So how did it all fall apart? Well?
Speaker 2: This week in Parliament has been a monumental disaster thanks
Speaker 2: to the divide over hate speech laws.
Speaker 3: Three Nationals of course quit.
Speaker 2: Susan Lee didn't have a choice but to accept their resignations.
Speaker 2: But where was the joint party room meeting? I mean
Speaker 2: this seriously. All could have been prevented. This would have
Speaker 2: been a real prime opportunity for the Liberal Party to
Speaker 2: take a stand, reject the hate speech laws and be
Speaker 2: the party of free speech. But that alternative government that
Speaker 2: conservative voters are crying out for is not there now.
Speaker 2: Now these laws will decide what does and does not
Speaker 2: constitute hate speech.
Speaker 3: It's utter madness, and.
Speaker 2: Anthony Aarbernezi has gone from having a shaker of a
Speaker 2: summer to sitting on the sidelines laughing because the pressure
Speaker 2: is off him. He sought to divide the coalition through
Speaker 2: rushed legislation, and his wedge succeeded. The coalition is split.
Speaker 2: The Nationals have said see you later. The Liberals are
Speaker 2: going solo. Susan Lee is all at sea. A new
Speaker 2: Liberal leader appears to be in the mix, and by
Speaker 2: all accounts, there's no way the coalition can rejoin under
Speaker 2: Susan Lee. National's leader David Little Proud this morning refused
Speaker 2: to deny that he told her to resign as the
Speaker 2: coalition broke up.
Speaker 4: You want Susan Lea to go, But you told Susan
Speaker 4: Lea to resign in that phone call, didn't you? Didn't you?
Speaker 5: Andrew this, I'm not going to get into your your gossip.
Speaker 3: What I'm talking about is well, you can deny it
Speaker 3: is this, Andrew. You can deny that you know it's true.
Speaker 5: To dignify, Andrew, I'm not going to dignify I get
Speaker 5: into into your gossip. You want to deal in gossip, I'm.
Speaker 3: Going to do gossip.
Speaker 4: It's you're said to her, and you're not denying it,
Speaker 4: David Little Proud.
Speaker 3: It's a mess, isn't it.
Speaker 2: The coalition is split at a time when we so
Speaker 2: desperately need unity in the wake of Bondai, at a
Speaker 2: time when this country needs strong leadership, because we certainly
Speaker 2: don't have that from the Prime Minister, and we certainly
Speaker 2: don't have that from a divorced alternative government.
Speaker 3: Now, wonder one Nation is now more.
Speaker 2: Popular than ever so across work roads for the Liberals
Speaker 2: and Nationals. As Simon Benson writes in The Australian Today,
Speaker 2: this existential moment has now arrived.
Speaker 3: For the Liberal Party and the Nationals.
Speaker 2: Both are terrified by the threat of One Nation's populism,
Speaker 2: but are equally devoid.
Speaker 3: Of a strategy to counter it.
Speaker 2: No one appears to have asked the question, how do
Speaker 2: three competing parties on the right all survive?
Speaker 3: The answer is they can't.
Speaker 2: Look, that's an interesting point, because this divorce will only
Speaker 2: seek to bolster Pauling Hanson further and keep an already
Speaker 2: power hungry Anthony Albanesi power hungry even longer. So where
Speaker 2: to even start, Well, right now, there's no alternative from
Speaker 2: the Liberals. A new leader, one who is strong and conservative,
Speaker 2: is the best start they can get because moderates cannot
Speaker 2: win government, and already it seems the prospect of an
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty or an Angus Taylor in charge is worrying labor.
Speaker 2: Here was Murray Watt on Sky News this morning.
Speaker 6: But it's not as if the Liberals have good choices
Speaker 6: to make either the most extreme leader they've ever had
Speaker 6: or a bumbling shadow treasure or I wanted to lift taxes.
Speaker 3: Well, this is straight out of the lefts playbook, isn't it.
Speaker 3: I mean the progress left.
Speaker 2: They love to label anyone who disagrees with their point
Speaker 2: of view as extreme, when the issues at hand are
Speaker 2: actually mainstream. And Murray what was pushed by political editor
Speaker 2: Andrew Cleanel on what exactly he meant?
Speaker 4: Why are you calling Andrew Hasty extreme?
Speaker 6: He has started and tried to lead this debate within
Speaker 6: the Liberal Party to follow one Nation to the right
Speaker 6: on matters like migration and other things as well. I mean,
Speaker 6: if people are looking for one nation policies, they'll vote
Speaker 6: for one nation. They don't need a one nation pretender
Speaker 6: in disguise in the form of Andrew Hasty, A.
Speaker 2: One nation pretender in disguise. Why because Andrew Hasty supports
Speaker 2: migration cuts, is worried about social cohesion, is worried about
Speaker 2: radical Islam and how we counter that? Again, all very
Speaker 2: mainstream views are nothing big and bad or scary about it?
Speaker 3: And Murray, what didn't stop there?
Speaker 4: So is mister Hasty extreme? I mean you've called him
Speaker 4: mix stre what's extreme about it? I mean a lot
Speaker 4: of people would like to see this migration.
Speaker 6: And that's exactly what our government has done. Our government
Speaker 6: has brought down net overseas migration.
Speaker 4: But what's extreme about Andrew Hasty? Can you just qualify
Speaker 4: this statement?
Speaker 6: I mean everyone understands that our migration level needed to
Speaker 6: come down in Australia and that's what the government has done,
Speaker 6: but we haven't done it in a way that demonized
Speaker 6: as migrants. I mean remember Andrew's Hasty's comments about being
Speaker 6: strangers in our own country, the sort of comments that
Speaker 6: we've seen from far right elements in the UK.
Speaker 2: Well, the comments strangers in our own country were actually
Speaker 2: echoed only last year by this UK leader.
Speaker 1: Now in a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate
Speaker 1: that these rules become even more important without them we
Speaker 1: were becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that
Speaker 1: walks forward together, is Murray?
Speaker 2: What's suggesting Keir Starmer, one of the most woke left
Speaker 2: socialist leaders in the world and that Britain has ever seen,
Speaker 2: is part of the far right element in which he
Speaker 2: refers to please. When I watch the vision of two
Speaker 2: gunmen allegedly committing murder in the name of jihad in Bondai,
Speaker 2: I too felt like a stranger in my own country.
Speaker 2: News flash, Murray, it doesn't make me extreme or far right,
Speaker 2: though I wonder where my statements would sit in the
Speaker 2: eyes of the law under Labour's new.
Speaker 3: Hate speech laws. But I digress.
Speaker 2: But these terms extreme and far right are part of
Speaker 2: the left's manifesto. I mean, Labor doesn't want to address
Speaker 2: these issues that you're worried about, the ones that the
Speaker 2: next conservative leader needs to. The majority of ossies want
Speaker 2: immigration cuts and better checks and balances. Just seventeen percent
Speaker 2: believes social cohesion in Australia is high, thirty six percent
Speaker 2: believe it's low, and thirty eight percent say moderate. Yet
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister went as far today as to accuse
Speaker 2: the former coalition of mirroring one nation.
Speaker 7: WO has seen them adopt one nation policies and shift
Speaker 7: to the right. And the problem here is that what
Speaker 7: that is doing is legitimizing the hard right policies that
Speaker 7: One Nation advocate for. You can't fight one nation by
Speaker 7: being a lighter version of them.
Speaker 2: Given that one Nation is on the rise and is
Speaker 2: more popular than ever, does he seriously think that's an insult?
Speaker 2: I mean he clearly has not grasped the mood of
Speaker 2: the nation. Pauline Hansen is a big winner of the
Speaker 2: summer more and more Ozzi is a resonating with her
Speaker 2: and her policies. At that the Albaneze was then asked
Speaker 2: whether he would start treating One Nation as the real opposition.
Speaker 7: What we point out, David, and will continue to do so,
Speaker 7: is the damage that one nation policies would due to
Speaker 7: our national unity. That the politics of just identifying grievance
Speaker 7: and not coming up with solutions is a cul de
Speaker 7: sac that doesn't lead the country anywhere.
Speaker 2: Well, Labour's going to have to come up with something
Speaker 2: better than that. In the latest News poll, the Liberals
Speaker 2: at a national level are now in third place. That's
Speaker 2: a minor party status. But One Nation has recorded a
Speaker 2: historically high level of support at twenty two percent in
Speaker 2: their primary vote. Now, look, I don't care about the
Speaker 2: internal politics of the Liberal Party, but I do care
Speaker 2: about this country, where it's heading and what it means
Speaker 2: for future generations and who will leader it.
Speaker 3: And as I said, moderates can't win government.
Speaker 2: Our future hinges on a strong opposition to take Australia
Speaker 2: forward with guts. None of this wishy washy half in,
Speaker 2: half out, don't know what we.
Speaker 3: Stand for and where we are nonsense.
Speaker 2: The Moderates or the tills really of the Liberals have
Speaker 2: a lot to answer for. But what a blight on
Speaker 2: conservative politics to have the right split and what a shame.
Speaker 3: For Conservative voters.
Speaker 2: And I do hope with a new leader the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party can get back to its roots that Robert Menzie
Speaker 2: has made a mandate of and they can't govern without
Speaker 2: the Nationals.
Speaker 3: So for the sake of this country, get a move on.
Speaker 2: Well, it's one of my favorite days of the year tomorrow,
Speaker 2: Australia Day.
Speaker 3: And there's nothing like an Aussie Day.
Speaker 2: Barbie flags flying, really showing off your pride. And for me,
Speaker 2: I'm really grateful that my grandparents migrated here from Italy
Speaker 2: after World War II for a better life. And look,
Speaker 2: there is so much to be proud of in this country.
Speaker 2: How lucky we are that we get to wake up
Speaker 2: tomorrow in a country, not in a war zone, not
Speaker 2: in the Third World.
Speaker 3: But in a free country. I mean, we're not out.
Speaker 2: There protesting in the streets like they are in Iran,
Speaker 2: for example, where they're fighting for freedom, because we enjoy
Speaker 2: our freedoms. But I will say it does feel different
Speaker 2: this year. We are more divided than ever after more
Speaker 2: than two years of fracturing social cohesion, anti Semitic attacks,
Speaker 2: flags of terror groups being waived, and you know the list,
Speaker 2: and of course it culminated in the biggest terror attack
Speaker 2: on our soil at Bondai. We're threatened by radical Islam,
Speaker 2: a term the Prime Minister shut as it's saying, and
Speaker 2: his solutions are a gun buyback scheme and hate speech laws.
Speaker 2: We aren't exactly the best we can be right now.
Speaker 2: But it also of course doesn't help that Anthony Albanesi
Speaker 2: insists on standing in front of three flags.
Speaker 3: But this is why, more.
Speaker 2: Than ever we need to unite and show our pride
Speaker 2: in Australia. The time is now to stand up for
Speaker 2: our values, to stand up for this country, to stand
Speaker 2: up for Australians, to put Australians first and reclaim our
Speaker 2: national day.
Speaker 3: And I'm not alone in saying this.
Speaker 2: New polling out on the eve reveals an overwhelming majority
Speaker 2: of voters say they are proud to be Australian and
Speaker 2: want a national day to celebrate our country.
Speaker 3: Seven out of ten.
Speaker 2: Voters back keeping Australia Day on January twenty six. Eighty
Speaker 2: seven percent believe it's important that there be an annual
Speaker 2: date to celebrate Eighty eight percent said that they were
Speaker 2: proud to be Australian, and the data also reveals that
Speaker 2: being truly Australian is now defined by character and contribution
Speaker 2: rather than birthright. That's seventy four percent who are prioritizing
Speaker 2: respect for national values over citizenship. And despite the majority
Speaker 2: of us saying enough is enough. We love our country,
Speaker 2: we want to celebrate it. The I Hate Australia brigade
Speaker 2: is at it again. Invasion Day rallies are taking place
Speaker 2: across the country tomorrow. Over in Melbourne, there'll even be
Speaker 2: a day of mourning Invasion Day dawn service. Would you
Speaker 2: believe I mean ournt dawn service as a mark of
Speaker 2: respect for our ANNs acts and now too they have
Speaker 2: been hijacked. And the problem with these rallies is they've
Speaker 2: become a cess pit for every issue the Left goes after.
Speaker 3: But have a look at this. According to Western Sydney
Speaker 3: Independent Cumberland councilor Ahmed UF, Australia Day is like the Holocaust.
Speaker 8: The Australian Holocaust began on twenty six of January seventeen
Speaker 8: eighty eight. At that time, Australia was home to around
Speaker 8: one million Aboriginal people. These were stable societies that lived
Speaker 8: for tens of thousands of years. What followed was catastrophic massacres, genocide,
Speaker 8: forced removals, ethnic cleansing, introduced disease, the destruction of land,
Speaker 8: food systems, families and culture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forget Rhodes rates and rubbish.
Speaker 2: If local councils aren't preaching genocide, then goodness me, what
Speaker 2: else will they have to do to fill up their.
Speaker 3: Day on the taxpayer dime?
Speaker 2: And if you look closely in that video, he's actually
Speaker 2: standing on a patch of grass in a park that
Speaker 2: that clearly needs some help.
Speaker 3: But Ahmed has other priorities.
Speaker 2: This is the man who's meant to represent fifty thousand
Speaker 2: people in the council.
Speaker 8: Australia's Holocaust began on twenty six of January seventeen eighty
Speaker 8: eight with invasion, ethnic cleansing, genocide, This possession and the
Speaker 8: systematic killing of Abbud, regional and Totis treat islander peoples.
Speaker 8: If you truly care about the victims of Bondai, if
Speaker 8: the mass killings of Palacinians over the past two years
Speaker 8: has moved you, and if the suffering of the Ukrainian
Speaker 8: people has shaken you, then stand with us this Monday.
Speaker 3: This is not a day to celebrate.
Speaker 8: It's a day to acknowledge truth, to mourn injustice and
Speaker 8: demand change.
Speaker 2: Now, this is not just offensive to every day Ausies
Speaker 2: who love the country and respect our values, but it's
Speaker 2: deeply offensive to Jews to even bring up Bondai and
Speaker 2: make a comparison to the Holocaust.
Speaker 3: He mentions Ukraine and Palestine.
Speaker 2: What does that have to do with the lives of
Speaker 2: indigenous Australians. But let's not forget three of the victims
Speaker 2: of the Bondai attack that he seems adamant to bring
Speaker 2: up were from Ukraine and came to this great country.
Speaker 3: Of ours for a better life.
Speaker 2: Heroes Boris and Sophia German who were gunned down trying
Speaker 2: to stop the Bondai gunman Sajitakram were Ukrainian immigrants, and
Speaker 2: Alex klaytonan a Holocaust survivor, migrated to Australia from Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Yet this is the hateful and divisive rhetoric from an
Speaker 2: elected councilor. And what bothers me the most is that
Speaker 2: Ahmed is an immigrant from Egypt. He was welcomed here
Speaker 2: with open arms to a better country for a better life.
Speaker 2: He stands for local council and wins. He was given
Speaker 2: that massive opportunity in this country and that is how
Speaker 2: he repays the country that welcomed him in.
Speaker 3: And it gets.
Speaker 9: Worse, and actually people who are pushing heart for the
Speaker 9: twenty six to become the day. I have my doubts
Speaker 9: and I have my concerns about them. Living amongst them
Speaker 9: is something that doesn't bring any peace or comfort to me.
Speaker 9: Because if you're out of key with celebrating the beginning
Speaker 9: of a genocide, maybe one day, when you have the chance,
Speaker 9: you might start another genocide. I'd be afraid.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Now, what I would say to Armaduf is if you
Speaker 2: don't like how our national Day is celebrated and you're
Speaker 2: not proud of our national Day, then one, why are
Speaker 2: you representing your local council in this country? Why run
Speaker 2: at all? And two if you don't like our national
Speaker 2: Day or you have a problem with the way we
Speaker 2: celebrate in this country, leave why are you here? And
Speaker 2: by the way, Armeduf was endorsed by the Muslim vote
Speaker 2: at the last election. He averaged twenty percent of the
Speaker 2: primary vote across the electorate of Blaxland.
Speaker 3: That's Labor MP Jason Clare's seat. So make of that
Speaker 3: what you will.
Speaker 2: But it is always at this time of year, isn't it,
Speaker 2: when the self loathing starts.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't be ashamed of our nation. We are prosperous.
Speaker 3: We are the land of opportunity.
Speaker 2: So this Australia Day, I want to say thank you
Speaker 2: to the heroes of Bondi, the everyday Assis who put
Speaker 2: their lives on the line to save others, and to
Speaker 2: those Aussies who couldn't be saved. Thank you to our
Speaker 2: emergency servicemen and women. Thank you to those who fight
Speaker 2: for this country and continue to do so. If you're
Speaker 2: a migrant and have been lucky enough to be welcomed
Speaker 2: into this country with open arms like my family.
Speaker 3: Was, show your pride.
Speaker 2: You'll never get it as good as this. Consider yourself lucky.
Speaker 2: Labour won't bring us together. They've proven that, so it's
Speaker 2: up to all of us to unite in this great
Speaker 2: Australia of ours.
Speaker 3: I am, you are, we are Australian.
Speaker 2: Joining me now is LMPMP Garth, Hamilton Garth.
Speaker 3: Good to have you on. Thank you so much for
Speaker 3: joining me.
Speaker 2: A lot to get through, but firstly, Susan Lee's days
Speaker 2: are numbered.
Speaker 10: Well. For all the reasons you outlined at the start
Speaker 10: of the program, I don't think things can continue. We
Speaker 10: have to draw things to a head. Our job is
Speaker 10: to hold this government to account and as you've rightly
Speaker 10: pointed out across this summer, we've needed to do that
Speaker 10: after the events at Bondi. But we should be talking
Speaker 10: about the largest blowout in my EFO history, forty seven
Speaker 10: point eight bills in dollar budget blowout under this treasurer,
Speaker 10: and that should be the focus of our conversation right now.
Speaker 11: It's not, and we need to.
Speaker 3: Address that right so Andrew Hasty or Angus Taylor.
Speaker 10: Well, look, there hasn't been a spill called, and I'm
Speaker 10: not faced with that question just yet. What I would
Speaker 10: say these are both two men that I greatly respect,
Speaker 10: and they've worked very closely with both of them. Angus
Speaker 10: has been I think one of the greatest economic minds
Speaker 10: we have in the party. And Andrews stood right beside
Speaker 10: me during the net zero debate all the way through
Speaker 10: leaving the way. So these are two very good people.
Speaker 10: I hope they can work together, and I think a
Speaker 10: lot of people do too.
Speaker 3: So you're not going to back or one or the other.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm not in that position yet, but when i am,
Speaker 10: I'll come and see it.
Speaker 3: All Right, Well, look, let's talk about this coalition split.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, what a different leader potentially
Speaker 2: bring back the coalition.
Speaker 10: Look, I think it's a very important conversation we need
Speaker 10: to have with the National Party. I think they probably
Speaker 10: have straight across the line in terms of what's acceptable
Speaker 10: between two coalition partners. I certainly don't want to be
Speaker 10: having a conversation about the National Party leadership, and I
Speaker 10: don't think they should be having a conversation about ours
Speaker 10: But that said, there's no policy disputes between the two
Speaker 10: parties right now. In fact, there is nothing separating us
Speaker 10: on policy going forward. Right now we should be back together.
Speaker 10: We should be doing that very quickly. I don't think
Speaker 10: that is an issue of leadership necessarily. I think that
Speaker 10: is every member of the party agreeing that we're going
Speaker 10: to work together.
Speaker 2: Well, But just on the matter of leadership, then how
Speaker 2: do you think David Little Proud has handled this? Because
Speaker 2: a lot of blame has been laid at the feet
Speaker 2: of Susan Lee, But is he too at fault here?
Speaker 10: Look, I think the right approach would be to give
Speaker 10: an element of grace to both Susan and David on
Speaker 10: this issue. This has been poorly handled by the government.
Speaker 10: Our reaction wasn't perfect either. I think the appropriate time
Speaker 10: now would be for a little bit of cool heads
Speaker 10: to take part. I think David knows that as well.
Speaker 2: Should there have been a joint party room meeting, would
Speaker 2: that have prevented this whole saga from the beginning?
Speaker 10: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: All right, Well that's the question, straight answer. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's been a shambolic week, but there's absolutely no
Speaker 2: doubt And I do want to ask you about these
Speaker 2: hate speech laws.
Speaker 3: You have been furiously against.
Speaker 2: It, but alas they've passed. Here was Labour's Murray Watt
Speaker 2: on this this morning.
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
Speaker 6: It's not about cracking down on free speech. It's not
Speaker 6: about cracking down on people expressing a view. You know,
Speaker 6: we treasure a free speech and democracy in this country
Speaker 6: about it. We don't want to stop that right.
Speaker 2: So he says that Labor treasures free speech. But now
Speaker 2: in the eyes of the law, what could be deemed
Speaker 2: hate speech or not is up to you know, a bureaucrat.
Speaker 3: But the Libs folded on this. I mean that's the
Speaker 3: problem here, Garth.
Speaker 2: How can the party claim to be champions of free
Speaker 2: speech when they buckled.
Speaker 11: Well, let's be very clear.
Speaker 10: The section that I was arguing against, the Liberal Party
Speaker 10: was are against was eighty point two BF. This was
Speaker 10: the section on hate speech. This is what had ridiculous
Speaker 10: subjective measures that would have allowed anyone to claim hate
Speaker 10: speech was being used against them for almost any reason.
Speaker 10: That was removed move because of the fight that Australia
Speaker 10: and the Liberal Party and the National Party led and
Speaker 10: that was taken out of the legislation. What was left
Speaker 10: was broken into two parts, one part on gun control,
Speaker 10: which I oppose, the other part dealing with hate groups
Speaker 10: and deporting hate preachers. Now there is a question, and
Speaker 10: I think it's a relevant question for everybody around the
Speaker 10: subjectivity of what makes a hate group. At the moment,
Speaker 10: the Director General of ASIO is the person who can
Speaker 10: define that. I think it would be much easier if
Speaker 10: we weren't going down the pathway of hate speech quite frankly,
Speaker 10: and hate groups, and we just went back to prosecuting
Speaker 10: incitement to violence. If we can have that approach, I'm
Speaker 10: pretty sure then free speech follows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just think it's really concerning because
Speaker 2: now it's up to the eyes of the law to decide.
Speaker 2: You know what, Mum and dad sitting at home if
Speaker 2: they post something on social media, well, they could be
Speaker 2: hold in front of a court. I could be hold
Speaker 2: in front of a court. We all could be you know,
Speaker 2: and that that is the most concerning.
Speaker 3: Part of this. So look, let's just see what happens.
Speaker 3: But I really worry that we're going down the path
Speaker 3: of the UK now where people have been arrested over
Speaker 3: there for saying something that the government doesn't like.
Speaker 2: It's like blasphemy by self. I want to ask you
Speaker 2: about this. The Prime Minister has announced Defense Department Secretary
Speaker 2: Greg Moriarty will a place former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd
Speaker 2: as Australia's ambassador to the US. What do you make
Speaker 2: of that appointment, Garth, look.
Speaker 10: I wish mister Moriarty will. He seems to have the
Speaker 10: support of both sides of politics. I do want to say, though,
Speaker 10: I am sorry that my mate Joel fitz Given didn't
Speaker 10: get the role. I think Joel is one of the
Speaker 10: few Labor ex member Labor members who are a genuine statesman,
Speaker 10: and I think he's a good guy and I think
Speaker 10: he would have done very well in that role too.
Speaker 10: I hope the government considers him for future appointments.
Speaker 2: Well, let's be honest, I think anyone is better than
Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd in that role. Garth Hamilton, we can't beat
Speaker 2: around the bush there. Good to have you on as always.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me. Appreciate it. Well
Speaker 2: let's move on now joining me is my panel former
Speaker 2: New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott and New South
Speaker 2: Wales Independent MP Tanya Mahalic hiding both of you having
Speaker 2: a year. Good to have you back on this year.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 3: Look, we've got to start with the Liberal leadership and
Speaker 3: Garth Hamilton was keeping his cars very close to his
Speaker 3: chest there.
Speaker 2: But it seems all but over, David. Now for Susan Lee.
Speaker 2: Who's the next leader in your view?
Speaker 12: Well, I think Andrew Hasey probably has the runs on
Speaker 12: the board. I mean certainly the last time the numbers
Speaker 12: were tested, which was just after the federal election, there
Speaker 12: were three in it and those three people have now
Speaker 12: left the Parliament and replaced by people that would probably
Speaker 12: vote against Susan Lee. So they'll now work out between
Speaker 12: the Conservative factions will work out who they're going to
Speaker 12: have back, and then the moderates will work out who
Speaker 12: they're going to come back. I would have thought that
Speaker 12: if I was a backbencher in a marginal seat staring
Speaker 12: down one Nation at the moment, I think I'd beyond
Speaker 12: team Hasty. Having said that, I've still got this soft
Speaker 12: little dream that Josh will somehow come back and be
Speaker 12: part of the team as well.
Speaker 2: Well, I just wonder, I mean, he was so strong
Speaker 2: some of that speech that he gave at BONDI I
Speaker 2: think was absolutely he knowed he captured the mood of
Speaker 2: the nation when the Prime Minister clearly is not. I
Speaker 2: mean we just heard from the Prime Minister on the
Speaker 2: ABC this morning. He's still this divisive language that he uses.
Speaker 3: A Murray what's saying, Oh, Andrew Hasty.
Speaker 2: Is extreme extreme what because he talks about migration. I
Speaker 2: mean again, you can see where Labor is going with this.
Speaker 2: If there's a new leader.
Speaker 11: Oh of course.
Speaker 13: Look, they're going to go back to their base, and
Speaker 13: their base of the left is obviously going to be
Speaker 13: worried about having a solid right.
Speaker 11: Wing leader in the liver Pol party.
Speaker 3: Look I have you.
Speaker 13: I actually think Angus Taylor might be the better approach now.
Speaker 13: I think Andrew Hasty is an excellent choice for down
Speaker 13: the track and a potential prime minister down the track.
Speaker 13: I actually think they need Taylor now for a bit
Speaker 13: of a safe pair of hands and to sort of
Speaker 13: get the party back together a bit of experience there
Speaker 13: as well. So look, either one would be great, and
Speaker 13: they'll get me wrong, but I think that they now
Speaker 13: need to heal as a party, really focus on energy, migration, lowering, tax,
Speaker 13: cost of living, the real issues that little party have.
Speaker 11: And their enemy isn't actually one nation. Their enemy is
Speaker 11: the Labor Party with his Liberal Party.
Speaker 13: To remember that, because that's what the mum and dad's
Speaker 13: out there in Western Sydney, you know, the farmers out
Speaker 13: in regional Australia and putting out there wants the Liberal
Speaker 13: Party to remain focused on the true enemy of the
Speaker 13: day and that is a labor left government, which we're
Speaker 13: at the moment stuck with absolutely.
Speaker 2: And you know, with all this internal fighting or this
Speaker 2: internal bickering, Anthony Albernez, he is sitting.
Speaker 3: There his company, he's this is this is the winner.
Speaker 3: This is the winner. But let's talk about this coalition split.
Speaker 3: I mean, right now, if you're a conservative voter in
Speaker 3: this country, you're tearing your hair out. The right of
Speaker 3: this country is split right now. I mean where do
Speaker 3: they go from here?
Speaker 12: Well, split three ways. You've got one nation, the Liberal
Speaker 12: Party and the National Party and then of course there's
Speaker 12: the Preferrer out there that just can't find themselves a home.
Speaker 12: And there's a lot of people there as well. So
Speaker 12: I mean, I think I think a change of leader
Speaker 12: will be a reset in Canberra and that will be
Speaker 12: a good thing that will probably bring the coalition back
Speaker 12: together again under different circumstances, and of course, and then
Speaker 12: and then, of course, and then then the Liberal Party
Speaker 12: has to make sure that One Nation voters know that
Speaker 12: they should be the second preference or first preference and
Speaker 12: take the vote back. And I mean the vulnerability in
Speaker 12: One Nation is always going to be policy. They've never
Speaker 12: been very very strong on articulating policy. They've got the
Speaker 12: retric right and in fact, there's some of the stuff
Speaker 12: that they say has has general consensus even under Labor voters.
Speaker 12: I mean, let's let's remember One Nation takes has taken
Speaker 12: seats from the Labor Party as much as from the
Speaker 12: Liberal Party. And that's why you're seeing this from Anthony
Speaker 12: albin Easy at the moment, he's scared out of his
Speaker 12: mind that those non inter city electorates that he's so
Speaker 12: familiar with that the Labor Party enjoy in the Hunter
Speaker 12: Valley in Western Sydney and in some of the in
Speaker 12: some of the other Saints are going to are going
Speaker 12: to go to One Nation and they'll deny him government.
Speaker 12: And remember, nobody is over thirty three percent in the
Speaker 12: polls at the moment. Now the game is anybody.
Speaker 2: That's actually a really good point, but I mean one nation.
Speaker 2: The rise that they've had has been that, I've got
Speaker 2: to say, quite phenomenal. And I've got to ask you,
Speaker 2: because obviously, Tanya, you were one Nation MP in this state,
Speaker 2: why do you think that there has been such a
Speaker 2: rise in the party's popularity.
Speaker 13: Look, it's just void of leadership the Liberal Party at
Speaker 13: the moment.
Speaker 3: That's that's all it is.
Speaker 13: And I think once that's rectified, I think the vote
Speaker 13: will come back away from one Nation.
Speaker 11: I really do believe that.
Speaker 13: I think if the Liberal Party could take a leaf
Speaker 13: out of John Howard's book, and we're going up.
Speaker 11: To thirty years since.
Speaker 13: John Howard was elected Iniston, there'll be book launched shortly.
Speaker 11: I think it's called the Howard Diaries, and I.
Speaker 13: Think the Liberal Party to go and get some advice
Speaker 13: from John Howard and people John Howard, Tony Abbott and
Speaker 13: others that understood the mum and dads out there that
Speaker 13: understood that it was about lowering taxes, about dealing with
Speaker 13: cost of living issues, understanding that people aspirational want to
Speaker 13: buy a home one day, getting back.
Speaker 11: To the basics, and not being afraid to call out
Speaker 11: the issues of migration.
Speaker 13: For example, and the issues around energy. It's okay to
Speaker 13: say that you don't agree with net zero. If the
Speaker 13: liberal parties can liber party and the Nationals can unite
Speaker 13: and focus back on this issue, I think you'll find
Speaker 13: that that vote, that high vote, the moment for the
Speaker 13: one nation will dissipate.
Speaker 11: There ish I have to say, David, isn't just policy.
Speaker 13: There issue is governance too. They're not able to actually
Speaker 13: form an alternative government. I know people are saying this,
Speaker 13: it is impossible for one nation to form an alternative government.
Speaker 13: And for that reason we need everybody's thinking about voting
Speaker 13: for one nation to realize if you really want to
Speaker 13: stop Alban Easy from being Prime minister, you need to
Speaker 13: get back voting for the coalition. The same time, the
Speaker 13: coalition can't take for granted that vote and understand they've got.
Speaker 11: To get the right leader, in the right policy.
Speaker 3: Absolutely and get back to that genuine conservatism, as I said,
Speaker 3: conservative voters need because there isn't a genuine alternative that's right.
Speaker 12: And we have forgotten the forgotten people, yes, and that's
Speaker 12: what we were based on. We have forgotten the forgotten people.
Speaker 12: And goes back to the Mensi's era when we had
Speaker 12: the forgotten people. We have forgotten the forgotten people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I absolutely agree. Now, look that the Prime
Speaker 2: minister's vanity knows no bounds. But as we said, he's
Speaker 2: power hungry at the moment because he can. He hopes
Speaker 2: to be remembered, would you believe for anti racism and
Speaker 2: has even urged future biographers to track this through quote
Speaker 2: his political engagement from the time I was a student.
Speaker 2: He said, so memo to all biographers. That is his legacy.
Speaker 2: I mean, David, I'm not sure where he got that from.
Speaker 3: Has he not been in the country for the last
Speaker 3: two years with anti semitism running.
Speaker 12: Rampant, absolutely fascinating. I mean, it's like Paul Keating say
Speaker 12: he wants to be remembered as the employment prime minister learning.
Speaker 12: I can't believe that he thinks that people don't remember
Speaker 12: history because you just have to.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's.
Speaker 12: Accusing Andrew Hasty of being an extremist war He better
Speaker 12: hope that the Liberal Party dirt unit doesn't go to
Speaker 12: his use and doesn't go to the campaigns that he
Speaker 12: was prominent in. And anybody that says in the last
Speaker 12: two years that there hasn't been racism running rampant in
Speaker 12: this country, has been smoking the stuff of the Greens on.
Speaker 3: A legal life exactly.
Speaker 12: Face has been rampant with racism and in every sense
Speaker 12: of the word, both on the street, in the media,
Speaker 12: in the ABC, in the Parliament. And I mean I
Speaker 12: think he's probably it's like one of those criminals who
Speaker 12: try to blame everybody else for the things that they did.
Speaker 3: Exactly. It's always someone else for almost our time, Tanya.
Speaker 3: But I mean, how ridiculous.
Speaker 11: Well actions speak loud on the words.
Speaker 13: Yes, So it's actually useless in telling people that he's
Speaker 13: anti racist when people can see his lack of action
Speaker 13: straight after Bond, the fact that in fact Premier Chris
Speaker 13: Means did more in Parliament and batically and swiftly did
Speaker 13: more in terms of being a leader in Australia then
Speaker 13: than Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: So that's it.
Speaker 13: I think that he should actually look at former prime
Speaker 13: ministers himself, Bob Hawk being one.
Speaker 11: He never had to tell people what to be remembered as.
Speaker 3: No, no, because it was very obvious.
Speaker 14: Yes.
Speaker 3: The value is what you stand for when your character
Speaker 3: speaks for itself exactly.
Speaker 2: And let's not forget as you allerned to we've showed
Speaker 2: the vision on the screen as you were saying at
Speaker 2: the pro Palestine rallies that he addressed back in two thousands.
Speaker 2: So yes, evidence speaks for itself. But yeah, memo to.
Speaker 3: Biographers David Ellen, good to have you back on the
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining me.
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, I'll get Warren Mundine's reaction
Speaker 2: to that Sydney counselor who compared Australia Day to the
Speaker 2: Holocaust as police prepare for a merging of pro Palestine
Speaker 2: and Invasion Day rallies.
Speaker 3: Gee, the Left can't help themselves, can they. That's next.
Speaker 2: Welcome back joining me now is indigenous leader and businessman
Speaker 2: Warren Mundane. Warren, thank you very much, good to have
Speaker 2: you back on the show. I want to start with
Speaker 2: that Sydney counselor ameda of who I spoke about earlier
Speaker 2: at him comparing Australia Day to the Holocaust. This is
Speaker 2: just a reminder have a listen.
Speaker 9: And actually people who are pushing hard for the twenty
Speaker 9: six to become the day, I have my doubts and
Speaker 9: I have my concerns about them. Living amongst them is
Speaker 9: something that doesn't bring any peace or comfort to me,
Speaker 9: because if you're are okay with celebrating the beginning of
Speaker 9: a genocide, maybe one day, when you have the chance,
Speaker 9: you might start another genocide. I'd be afraid.
Speaker 3: Warren, what's your response to that.
Speaker 15: That is the most idiotic and disgraceful comment I have
Speaker 15: ever heard. This idea that you have the genocide and
Speaker 15: that and that, and if you that we're looking for
Speaker 15: another future genocide. It's just absolutely ridiculous and has not
Speaker 15: studied history and has not studied what we have achieved
Speaker 15: in this country in the last fifty years. This country
Speaker 15: is the most welcoming country of all people.
Speaker 14: In the world.
Speaker 16: We've got all the different races, all the different faiths,
Speaker 16: we've got atheists, we've got everyone in this country who
Speaker 16: are building a beautiful, great country and moving forward into
Speaker 16: the future.
Speaker 14: This is a continuation of this division, this hatred, this
Speaker 14: attack on our social cohesion, and that Australia Day is
Speaker 14: about us. It's about us, us Australians. It's about us
Speaker 14: and how we.
Speaker 17: We're working together to make it's a better place. Millions
Speaker 17: of people want to come to this country and be
Speaker 17: part of this.
Speaker 14: Incredible journey that we're on and incredible opportunities that are
Speaker 14: happening in this country. And it's about time that people
Speaker 14: who stopped doing all this stuff and actually bring us
Speaker 14: together and stop trying to divide.
Speaker 2: Us absolutely, and you know, even just to make that
Speaker 2: comparison to the Holocaust. I just think, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: all very deeply offensive to Australians, but to Jews in
Speaker 2: particular at this time. I just think those comments were utterly,
Speaker 2: utterly appalling. A big day tomorrow, of course, Australia Day,
Speaker 2: I think one of the best on the calendar. But
Speaker 2: New South Wales are prepared, police are preparing for not
Speaker 2: only Invasion Day rallies, but they're saying that the pro
Speaker 2: Palestine group.
Speaker 3: They're going to do this big merge.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what Palestine has to do with
Speaker 2: Aboriginal issues. Firstly, Warren, but what are the left always
Speaker 2: hijack protests?
Speaker 17: Hi, Look that these are people who hate this country.
Speaker 18: These are people.
Speaker 14: Who you know, just just really I get very angry
Speaker 14: about Aboriginal people get very angry about you know, the
Speaker 14: arrangement was tomorrow. We yes, we can have people who
Speaker 14: would have a day of morning about the historical stuff,
Speaker 14: and then we get on with the day of actually
Speaker 14: celebrating Australia, celebrating what we are and Bluddy, what the hell?
Speaker 14: And you are right about this. What the hell do
Speaker 14: these people is pro Palestinian people who want to get
Speaker 14: out there and hijack our day and hijack the Aboriginal
Speaker 14: issues and that for their own selfish hatred and their
Speaker 14: own selfish demonstrations. Why can't we after Bondi Beach.
Speaker 18: With fifteen people, fifteen innocent people lost their lives, and
Speaker 18: we've had synagogues attack, We've had division and social cohesion
Speaker 18: threats within this country, and yet these people just.
Speaker 14: Want to continue on with their selfishness and with their hatred.
Speaker 19: I'm getting very sick and tired of in Australian public
Speaker 19: is getting sick and tired of. You just seen in
Speaker 19: the recent polding in regard to how the vast majority
Speaker 19: of Australians and even young Australians something like eighty seven
Speaker 19: percent of young Australians want to sell up rate Australia
Speaker 19: and are proud to be Australians. So I want these
Speaker 19: people to wake up themselves and actually start working to
Speaker 19: bring people together rather than dividing us.
Speaker 2: Absolutely It's fascinating that gen Z the majority of them
Speaker 2: now as support the day support being Australian. There's been
Speaker 2: a huge shift and I actually think that BONDI has
Speaker 2: had a lot to do with that. I think people
Speaker 2: are thinking about what it means to be and I
Speaker 2: was in this country.
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask you about the ABC.
Speaker 2: Wara and it's defended this new show. It's called Always
Speaker 2: Was Tonight. It's been hosted by Tony Armstrong.
Speaker 3: Have a look at it.
Speaker 20: By the way, did you know that no member of
Speaker 20: the first fleet was recorded as having been infected by smallpox?
Speaker 1: Makes you wonder how did the locals get infected.
Speaker 20: By it in the first place, unless, as some experts
Speaker 20: have argued, it was deliberately introduced to decimate a population
Speaker 20: who corn Us have described as primitive and barbaric, which
Speaker 20: would have been a deliberate use of biological warfare to
Speaker 20: a genocide.
Speaker 5: But talking about that ruin your barbecue.
Speaker 2: Warren, We're almost out of time, but I've got to
Speaker 2: get your reaction to this.
Speaker 14: That is another disgrace or comment he's got. You know,
Speaker 14: here we are again trying to build this country and
Speaker 14: bring people together, and here he is out there, you know,
Speaker 14: making allegations that people the first Fleet count first come
Speaker 14: to this country and started by biological warfare into kill
Speaker 14: and wipe out Aboriginal people, and we that is just
Speaker 14: us up nonsense and we've got to start getting back,
Speaker 14: especially at this time when people who suffered under the
Speaker 14: Holocaust in actual biological warfare and we're gas the if
Speaker 14: and comparison to that is quite sick.
Speaker 17: Let's get us together.
Speaker 14: ABC, do your bloody job and actually bring Australians together.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's unbelievable and they're not making a
Speaker 2: good case for themselves, are they. Warren Mundane, Happy Australia
Speaker 2: Day for tomorrow. Thank you so much for joining me
Speaker 2: on this show. Really appreciate it. We're coming up after
Speaker 2: the break. The PM says sorry to Jews for not
Speaker 2: protecting Bondi victims from evil. I'll catch up with Joel Bernie.
Speaker 2: Plus Donald Trump offends soldiers around the world. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what he said next. Well, welcome back. Joining me
Speaker 2: now is Australian Jewish Affairs Council Executive manager Joel Bernie. Joel,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time this evening. I
Speaker 2: want to start with the Prime Minister's apology out for
Speaker 2: not protecting Bondi victims from evil.
Speaker 3: Here he was on Thursday night. Have a listen.
Speaker 7: Tragically, we are gathered here tonight because on the fourteenth
Speaker 7: of December everything changed and for that, I am sorry.
Speaker 7: I am deeply and profoundly sorry that we could not
Speaker 7: protect your love once from this evil.
Speaker 21: Joel, do you accept that, well, thank you so much
Speaker 21: for having me, Danika, And yes, I think I am
Speaker 21: the Jewish community and those in the audience do accept that.
Speaker 21: It may have taken a little bit longer to get
Speaker 21: that emotional response from the Prime Minister to want to
Speaker 21: equivocally apologize for you, what was the largest terror attack
Speaker 21: in Australia's history, but it was an incremental increase of
Speaker 21: an explosion of anti Semitism over a two year period
Speaker 21: on his and his colleagues watch. So after you know,
Speaker 21: five weeks or so post the massacre, to hear the
Speaker 21: words and what was obviously you know, a heartfelt message
Speaker 21: to the audience that was there on Thursday night, I
Speaker 21: accepted and I think that those in the audience accepted
Speaker 21: it as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I mean, especially after more than two years
Speaker 2: and he's was dragged kicking and screaming to a Royal commission.
Speaker 3: So I got there eventually.
Speaker 2: But look, anti Semitism has obviously not gone away, and
Speaker 2: this is the problem. I was quite disturbed to read
Speaker 2: in the Daily Telegraph today about incidents in New South
Speaker 2: Wales school. There was one mother who recounted her daughter's
Speaker 2: harrow we experience of being told to burn in a
Speaker 2: gas chamber. Another said that her son was harassed by
Speaker 2: a classmate in sixth grade who called him genocide Jid
Speaker 2: and was then followed with cheers for Palestine around the school.
Speaker 3: Joel, We've got school.
Speaker 2: Children about to start term one in the next week
Speaker 2: or so. How is the Jewish community feeling about this?
Speaker 2: Especially after Bondi.
Speaker 21: Well Denika, after Bondi, and after the explosion of anti
Speaker 21: Semitism in two years. Of course, I'm not surprised by
Speaker 21: hearing such things, and as terrible as it is to
Speaker 21: think that innocent school children are subjected to vile anti
Speaker 21: semitism and jee hatred in the schools, it doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 21: Let's not forget that the Victorian Education Department was taken
Speaker 21: to court and found culpable for anti semitism systemic anti
Speaker 21: Semitism in Brighton Secondary School here in Melbourne, and that
Speaker 21: was even before the events of October seven, the amazing
Speaker 21: outpour of public support in the text of calling for
Speaker 21: a Royal commission. If anyone needed to understand as to
Speaker 21: why the Jewish community and our non Jewish supporters in
Speaker 21: Australia were demanding a Royal Commission, it's to investigate exactly
Speaker 21: what this example in the Daily Telegraph of systemic anti
Speaker 21: semitism in schools, universities and everywhere in public life in Australia.
Speaker 21: So these kind of stories Deniak are unfortunately just the
Speaker 21: tip of the iceberg, and I do hope that the
Speaker 21: Royal Commission will be able to highlight the exact situation
Speaker 21: that Jewish people find themselves in Australia in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Joe, we're almost out of time, but I just want
Speaker 2: to quickly get your opinions on the hate speech laws
Speaker 2: which passed this week. The Prime Minister's still, you know,
Speaker 2: shuddering at the word of radical Islam. His solution is
Speaker 2: a is a gun buyback scheme and hate speech laws.
Speaker 3: Where do you sit on what's past?
Speaker 21: I'll be as quick and brief as I can. The
Speaker 21: hate speech laws are contentious. I get that, but that
Speaker 21: the vilification stuff was dropped out of the bill that
Speaker 21: was ultimately passed, and so what was passed the migration
Speaker 21: changes the hate groups and more aggravated penalties for hate preachers.
Speaker 21: We as a Jewish community think that that's a step
Speaker 21: in the right direction. And on this case, and as
Speaker 21: you know, I've been on your program many times knocking
Speaker 21: the government, but you would have to congratulate Labor and
Speaker 21: the Liberal Party for supporting it, even though the process
Speaker 21: to doing it was a sheer debarkle which ultimately caused
Speaker 21: the blowing up of the coalition, which is significantly unfortunate.
Speaker 21: We as one group, were asking for a little bit
Speaker 21: more time. It was incredibly rushed. A little bit more
Speaker 21: time could have done everyone some favors. But ultimately the
Speaker 21: package that was indeed passed on Tuesday night is a
Speaker 21: step in the right direction for the Jewish community, and I.
Speaker 2: Think the coalition would have liked a little bit more
Speaker 2: a time as well. John Bernie, it's nice to have
Speaker 2: you on this year. Thanks so much for joining me
Speaker 2: on the show. Really appreciate it. Well, let's return now
Speaker 2: to Australia's new ambassador to the United States Defense Sectionary
Speaker 2: Greg Moriarty. He will of course replace Kevin run and
Speaker 2: I know it is certainly about time. Joining me now
Speaker 2: his former Australian Major General Mick Ryan. Good to have
Speaker 2: you on the program, Mick. What do you make of
Speaker 2: this appointment and what should the.
Speaker 3: Key priorities be because there's been a lot of talk
Speaker 3: about ORCUST and about our defense ties. What needs to
Speaker 3: happen now?
Speaker 22: Yeah, get Identica and thanks for having me. I think
Speaker 22: Greg is a very good selection as ambassador. I've had
Speaker 22: the opportunity to work with him in the past. He
Speaker 22: has a background in the Army Reserve, in defense and intelligence.
Speaker 22: He's been an ambassador a couple of times before in
Speaker 22: countries like Iran in Indonesia which are demanding. He's been
Speaker 22: part of UCAST since day one and participated in all
Speaker 22: the OSMON meetings. So I think he's a fine choice
Speaker 22: and he'll do a pretty good job in that appointment.
Speaker 2: And just on that then his priorities, I mean, how
Speaker 2: do we solidify the alliance, especially when it comes to defense.
Speaker 22: Well, I think the alliance actually using not bad shape
Speaker 22: if you compare America's relationship with Europe and other countries.
Speaker 22: Australia's escaped relatively abuse free, if I can use that term.
Speaker 22: And if you have a look at the new national
Speaker 22: Defense strategy that the Americans published, we won't mention at all,
Speaker 22: which is probably not a bad thing at least according
Speaker 22: to this government.
Speaker 3: Let's move on.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the US President Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: who's offended war veterans across the world. He said that
Speaker 2: Allied troops stayed a little back from frighting alongside American
Speaker 2: soldiers in the war in Afghanistan.
Speaker 3: He questioned the.
Speaker 2: NATO pack and really, I guess belittled almost the contribution
Speaker 2: of Allied forces. What did you make of those comments?
Speaker 22: They were repulsive comments made by someone who has never
Speaker 22: served and avoided serving his country. They were ignorant in
Speaker 22: the extreme, and they were wrong. The Brits, in particular,
Speaker 22: lost over four hundred soldiers killed and thousands more wounded,
Speaker 22: the Canadian nearly one hundred and fifty. Australia and Denmark
Speaker 22: both lost over forty killed in action and hundreds more wounded.
Speaker 22: They were not shying from the fight. They were there
Speaker 22: mainly because America asked us to help them in their
Speaker 22: hour of meet up to nine to eleven. So these
Speaker 22: were terrible comments, and I see that he's already starting
Speaker 22: to roll them back, at least in the UK.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly hasn't gone down well in the UK.
Speaker 2: But even here I'm in former soldier Andrew Hasty, the
Speaker 2: Liberal MP, He's reacted angrily as well. And yes, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump's tried to walk it back, but it hasn't gone
Speaker 2: down well. But I just want to ask you about
Speaker 2: Donald Trump because.
Speaker 3: You recall, you know, he wanted to take over Greenland.
Speaker 2: This was his big plot, and he said he would
Speaker 2: impose tariffs on countries who didn't back him.
Speaker 3: He then goes to Davos on.
Speaker 2: Thursday and declares, no, actually, we've found framework, we're going
Speaker 2: to work for peace.
Speaker 3: We're not going to take over Greenland.
Speaker 2: We're not going to impose those tariffs on February one.
Speaker 2: But what was he trying to achieve here? Was he
Speaker 2: trying to call NATO leaders bluff?
Speaker 22: In your view, it's hard to predict what he's trying
Speaker 22: to achieve. He's consistently inconsistent American doesn't need to own
Speaker 22: Greenland that had twenty bases there during the Cold War.
Speaker 22: Denmark 's seed that can pretty much do what it
Speaker 22: wants for the security of the American homeland as well
Speaker 22: as sea and air routes across the Atlantic. I think
Speaker 22: this was just a case of Donald Trump wanting to
Speaker 22: secure his place in history as gaining the largest addition
Speaker 22: to American territory and history. I don't think there was
Speaker 22: much more to it than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's been fascinating to see how the world's
Speaker 2: respond to that. Everybody was on edge when he said
Speaker 2: I'm going to take Greenland, I may even invade, and
Speaker 2: then suddenly go to Davos at the World Economic Forum
Speaker 2: and all is good again. Mick Ryan, we've got to
Speaker 2: leave it there. Good to have you back on the
Speaker 2: show again this year. Thank you so much for your time. Well,
Speaker 2: coming up after the break, mine new segment Denik has
Speaker 2: done of the Week. Who's got a cop it? On
Speaker 2: Week one? Find out next back to the program. Well,
Speaker 2: now it is time for my new weekly segment, and
Speaker 2: because it's my show, I'm labeling it Denika's Dud of
Speaker 2: the Week. And I would probably agree with you out there,
Speaker 2: there really has been well a plethora of duds to
Speaker 2: choose from this week.
Speaker 3: I had trouble nailing it down to one.
Speaker 2: You may be thinking it's going to be Anthony Albanesi,
Speaker 2: but let's be realistic. Anthony Albanesi is a dud on
Speaker 2: the daily as well as the rest of labor. So
Speaker 2: I thought, I won't go with Anthony ALBERESI for my dud.
Speaker 3: But I'll give you a hint. I'm going to go overseas.
Speaker 2: So first I'm going to make a special mention to
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Beckham, who of course went nuclear on his own
Speaker 2: family this week when he posted that tirade on social
Speaker 2: media accusing his family of putting brand Beckham first trying
Speaker 2: to ruin his marriage to Nicola Peltz, even when as
Speaker 2: far as to suggest that his own mother danced inappropriately
Speaker 2: on him at his own wedding. You know, when I
Speaker 2: first read that, I thought, what is he suggesting? Is
Speaker 2: he suggesting his own mother gave him some sort of
Speaker 2: a lap dance? I mean, does he not know that
Speaker 2: she's posh spice nineties pop stars. They actually used to
Speaker 2: dance inappropriately, Brooklyn, So release the tapes. We want to
Speaker 2: see the tapes at the wedding. But no, look, my
Speaker 2: Dad of the Week is another irritant of the same caliber,
Speaker 2: can you guess, Prince Harry. Yes, I had to give
Speaker 2: it to Prince Harry this week. Why because the former
Speaker 2: royal as you can see there, he's been in London
Speaker 2: for the past seven days. No, not to visit his family. No,
Speaker 2: couldn't spare any time with his own father, the King,
Speaker 2: or any of his other relatives. But he's in court
Speaker 2: as part of his never ending vendetta against the British Press.
Speaker 2: He apparently fought back tears as he outlined how the
Speaker 2: press made his wife Meghan's life a misery. He went
Speaker 2: on and on, but it really got me thinking, is
Speaker 2: this not the.
Speaker 3: Same Harry who who spent.
Speaker 2: The past five years making his own families.
Speaker 3: Life a misery through that interview with.
Speaker 2: Oprah a tell All book, the Netflix series, the series
Speaker 2: of interviews that follows him in the list goes on.
Speaker 2: So he's suing the papers because he wants privacy. But
Speaker 2: what qualifies as privacy in his eyes? What is a
Speaker 2: threshold Harry? Because it seems as though the Duke of
Speaker 2: Privacy has cashed in on his own privacy won too
Speaker 2: many times over the years. Now that to me is
Speaker 2: the true definition of her hypocrisy. So there you go,
Speaker 2: Prince Harry done of the week number one. Stay tuned
Speaker 2: for next week. Well that's it for me. Coming up
Speaker 2: next is part two of Sky News and Tony Abbott's
Speaker 2: documentary Australia a History