Speaker 1: I mean Matthew a pretty special guest we've got on today.
Speaker 1: No word we have we we don't get many. I'd
Speaker 1: say handsy journos on but if we were no, I
Speaker 1: said it right, it's that handsy, but this one is
Speaker 1: the handsiest Brent Red.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's fantastic to be never thought that invited.
Speaker 1: Come, but have you been sitting by the phone, because
Speaker 1: has been buzz has been on the family one.
Speaker 3: That's right, talking about hands all a trish we had.
Speaker 2: We had Webby great many now living in barrel Robertson.
Speaker 1: Mate, be nice.
Speaker 2: Often brings me from your sauna, mate with the fireplace raging.
Speaker 3: Yes, all I've heard about that. I've heard about that
Speaker 3: sauna spada spat more like a lax.
Speaker 1: I was just observing you before. The phone just always off?
Speaker 1: Is that the life of a journal Just the blow
Speaker 1: is constantly.
Speaker 2: Going sometimes yeah, some days it is. Yeah. Today it's
Speaker 2: a busy day because on three sixty to night, so
Speaker 2: trying to get stories for the show and stand stuff up.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the phone rings a bit, Yeah, because loves it?
Speaker 1: Does she love it? And it's insane? Is it like
Speaker 1: work hours? So from nine to five people are on
Speaker 1: the ringing in there or you're getting calls at nine pm?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes, Yeah, it depends what you say about the roosters,
Speaker 2: because nik Polotas rings you from anywhere in the world
Speaker 2: at any air of the night. Really. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: loves ith.
Speaker 3: What about like really, I talk to Webby last year,
Speaker 3: last year Andrew Webster, and yeah, he Webby told me
Speaker 3: that he said when he went on through sixty, he said,
Speaker 3: literally like the first time he returned for ages and
Speaker 3: you've got what it was like as far as what
Speaker 3: happens when good night and he said the finish and
Speaker 3: the moment he went off here, literally the phone, the
Speaker 3: txts and the phone calls just started. They flooded in.
Speaker 2: It's amazing that people who watched that show, right, it's
Speaker 2: the power that's shown and Buzz are spoken about it.
Speaker 2: You know, Buzz obviously had a Sunday column for two years, right,
Speaker 2: but when he went on three sixty, he become a
Speaker 2: bit of a cult figure, right. And that's what it's like.
Speaker 2: I mean, everyone's got because everything you say on there
Speaker 2: becomes you know, it then gets put on Instagram, put
Speaker 2: on social media, and they make stories out of it,
Speaker 2: and it becomes. You know, I was talking to Peter
Speaker 2: Bidell earlier. Actually Bomber was on Tuesday Night. We know Bomber,
Speaker 2: he's a lunatic, right, and he ripped in the rolls
Speaker 2: in Paramatta and he sent me and he made that,
Speaker 2: he made it the silly mistake of going on Twitter
Speaker 2: or x today, right, and Paramatta fans have just been
Speaker 2: giving it to him. And I said, mate, don't go on.
Speaker 2: You've got to stay off Twitter, Like, don't go on
Speaker 2: Twitter is the worst thing to go on after you've
Speaker 2: said something like that on a Showload three sixty because
Speaker 2: you just get hammerecked.
Speaker 3: Because it's like walking into the worst pub and wondering
Speaker 3: why your king hit. You know, you just stay out
Speaker 3: of it because you know who what's they're waiting for you?
Speaker 3: They talking about Bomber on Twitter. I know why he
Speaker 3: gets hooked. I remember we're in Paris and so boys
Speaker 3: in Paris. I saw Bomber the first day and you said, Matt,
Speaker 3: you know, he Maddy, what are you doing? And I said,
Speaker 3: me and James Magis we're doing swimming. And he goes,
Speaker 3: oh right, he goes, I'm doing the boxing. He said,
Speaker 3: takes a little while for the boxing to sort of
Speaker 3: heat up a little bit. And with the first day
Speaker 3: he was there, basically everyone had left and it was
Speaker 3: just he was about the only journal left. And it
Speaker 3: was the last fight and it was the Italian female
Speaker 3: box at the women's boxing against the Algerian transfighter. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: and that and he was only one there. And he
Speaker 3: went back he had the photo and posted it with
Speaker 3: the photo and ran the story. I remember being in
Speaker 3: the car with him and he goes, Maddie, this is
Speaker 3: the hotels, Maddie, it's had twenty million views. Twenty million, Maddie,
Speaker 3: it's nearly the population of Australia. May I kid you know.
Speaker 3: Ten minutes later, Maddie is thirty five made. By the
Speaker 3: time we got back to the hotel, had it hit
Speaker 3: eighty million.
Speaker 1: I remember the story. The story was huge at the time.
Speaker 1: But he was he the one that broke that story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was his baby there because as mad said,
Speaker 2: Maddie said, he was only boke who hung around at
Speaker 2: that time. And I think I might be right here,
Speaker 2: I might be wrong. I think Fairfax had gone on
Speaker 2: or nine had gone on strike. Remember they went on strike.
Speaker 2: So Shamas was supposed to cover the boxing. But I
Speaker 2: don't think he went because I think they were on
Speaker 2: strike at the time.
Speaker 3: He had Webby went all the way over there because
Speaker 3: remember we had a bit of drink the first day,
Speaker 3: we're having a beer and they went, well, it's official.
Speaker 3: Webby said, where we're on strike? He said, I'll just
Speaker 3: go to Paris for a few days. I go in
Speaker 3: England for few days.
Speaker 1: Was the strike? Was that the whole of nine pretty well?
Speaker 2: Was that?
Speaker 1: Was that about?
Speaker 2: I think it was everyone there it was.
Speaker 1: And so they were over there they could just stay
Speaker 1: on doing holidays.
Speaker 3: But there was a bit of but there's a bit
Speaker 3: of bad blood as well, because what had happened, like
Speaker 3: it's one thing about when we were over there, we're
Speaker 3: all in the same hotel basically, well at least in
Speaker 3: the same area, and what it calls caused a fair
Speaker 3: bit of consternation. You can understand the written journals like
Speaker 3: Sydney Herald journals, they were they were putting a really
Speaker 3: dangerous rough area of Paris, way out of town. But
Speaker 3: Carl and some of those were staying literally on the
Speaker 3: shoves sake, and it was like there was which you
Speaker 3: could under sension. It was was a bit.
Speaker 4: That's awfully French for a bit of a revolution.
Speaker 2: What feed them cake?
Speaker 1: Was there obviously a lot of you guys over there
Speaker 1: work within Fox Sports and what not. Was there a
Speaker 1: bit of like a bonding night of sorts over there,
Speaker 1: like what sort.
Speaker 2: Of no we hung We had dinner with Crawls a
Speaker 2: few times and we're still Crawley a few times. And
Speaker 2: we obviously did the show with Maddie and James. We
Speaker 2: did the night the nightly show you guys were doing.
Speaker 2: So it was a bit of crossover were we were
Speaker 2: all in a good place.
Speaker 3: We're talking about we went to dinner with Crawls and
Speaker 3: we're dining with Crawls all night, and that was not
Speaker 3: We were sitting there in the bomb was there? The
Speaker 3: bomber was like he was, Yes, were swimming in the
Speaker 3: adulation of like May one hundred one hundred million. That's like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's bigger than Germany. Anyway, he goes to me,
Speaker 3: I said, Bomber, like, what lengths do you go sometimes
Speaker 3: to a story? I said, you know, certain ways? He goes, yeah, right, anyway,
Speaker 3: this is one of the best stories I've heard. So
Speaker 3: a bloke could come went to Bomber and he could
Speaker 3: you do a story on me. I've made Queensland state
Speaker 3: of Origin coffins that if people want to get buried
Speaker 3: in the state of Origin coffins, and Bomba went, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: and he said, mate, he seemed like a really good bloke, Maddie,
Speaker 3: and so I thought, right, but I need an angle.
Speaker 3: So Bomber went to Wally and said to Wally, mate, well,
Speaker 3: he just just a bit of a question Lewis made.
Speaker 3: If something happens and that you die tomorrow, what song
Speaker 3: would you like to sort of go out to you?
Speaker 2: Reckon anyway?
Speaker 3: I don't know, a strange one. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra's my way. The next day, back page of
Speaker 3: the paper, King plans mighty funeral and had the coffin
Speaker 3: next to it and then underneath the bioline. But he's
Speaker 3: going nowhere just yet.
Speaker 2: He's the best. I mean like he's the best since
Speaker 2: with Buzz out of the equation, he's the best. He's
Speaker 2: rabid about. He's obsessed with yarns. Most of us, most
Speaker 2: of us love a good yarn. Bomber is obsessed with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really enjoy his company, a great really enjoys it.
Speaker 2: Know he runs marathon. You know he's the fittest blake.
Speaker 2: We read a marathon the other day in two forty
Speaker 2: eight or something.
Speaker 1: What's a marathon forty five?
Speaker 3: Remember he broke into members, he ran the marathon, the
Speaker 3: Olympic Marathon. He actually like snuck under and read it.
Speaker 2: He flashed his media accreditation.
Speaker 3: He just jumped.
Speaker 1: Was he just wearing like a suit and tie?
Speaker 3: Just waved wait there it is and then joined it
Speaker 3: and ran the Olympic.
Speaker 2: Marathon with a machine.
Speaker 3: What an animal.
Speaker 1: When you talk about stories and the links people go
Speaker 1: to get stories, I was I often think this about
Speaker 1: you know when you read some stories in the in
Speaker 1: the paper, Like do some journals write a story with
Speaker 1: the intent knowing that it might not be even right,
Speaker 1: but like the intent is to just rage bait people
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean by that, Like just
Speaker 1: the intent to almost to get their eye balls on
Speaker 1: it because they know it's going to piece everyone else.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you write it knowing it's not right.
Speaker 2: You might write an opinion piece that you don't necessarily
Speaker 2: but not one hundred convent percent convinced by right, But
Speaker 2: you might write it knowing it's going to cause debate, right,
Speaker 2: But you wouldn't write something knowingly wrong. What you would
Speaker 2: write is something you know that you know is going
Speaker 2: to create debate. You might be one hundred percent convinced by,
Speaker 2: but you know it's going to cause a storm or
Speaker 2: cause a debate or create traction. That's why you were.
Speaker 1: Doing more like you know, like on radio where you'll
Speaker 1: hear a topic come up and one of one of
Speaker 1: the hosts wls say well, I'll take this side, yes,
Speaker 1: and that, like, well you do that. They might not
Speaker 1: necessarily believe the opinion that they're actually giving, but they
Speaker 1: know they need to take one of the sides because
Speaker 1: like it's going to get the most traction.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you'd be Look, you might be one
Speaker 2: hundred percent convinced, boil, and I don't think you debate
Speaker 2: something you completely disagree with, Yeah, but something that you're
Speaker 2: on the fence with, maybe even more to take the
Speaker 2: side of the c's the most debating.
Speaker 1: We all do that Bomba strikes me. I love it.
Speaker 1: On three sixty on Tuesday when he asked Patty Carrion
Speaker 1: and he said, Pardycadeger and oh, you know a lot
Speaker 1: of the you know, with P and G in Perth
Speaker 1: and everyone coming in. You know, I'd love to know
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do with your next contract, Like you've
Speaker 1: got another year, what are you going to do. It'd
Speaker 1: be silly if you're not to look at like a
Speaker 1: different club to with your value as a captain and
Speaker 1: a leader. And he just goes, yeah, by my, I'd
Speaker 1: really love it if you stopped asking me about clearly
Speaker 1: he's just been a Broncos train.
Speaker 2: Just ask him his agent.
Speaker 3: But I remember when we brought him the Goldcast Titans,
Speaker 3: like I rang Bomber straight away and said the bomba,
Speaker 3: can we catch up? I want you to tell me,
Speaker 3: in your opinion from the media side of things, what's
Speaker 3: the matter with the club? And he was more than
Speaker 3: happy to.
Speaker 2: You know, well, the club didn't have great media relations
Speaker 2: obviously through the Desira. You know, Deser obviously been we
Speaker 2: all know what is log is a great, great character
Speaker 2: in the game, but not a great does didn't have
Speaker 2: great media relations outside probably Bulldog right. So on the
Speaker 2: Gold Coast in particular, he'd circled the wagons, he locked
Speaker 2: them out, and media sessions trained changed times on a whim.
Speaker 2: So it was really difficult. Travy mains the Gold coaster board.
Speaker 2: It was really difficult for Travy in that situation.
Speaker 3: To Traviy yesterday. And that's it. Like, you know, I
Speaker 3: think sometimes one thing I discovered a little bit with
Speaker 3: the Titans at times, and people that say I made
Speaker 3: this both does like us because you wrote this story,
Speaker 3: and you go, yeah, but you've got to consider sometimes
Speaker 3: if the story is true, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: taking that on board, and you can't always want glorious
Speaker 3: front page articles, you know. And you know, at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, sometimes my think within reasons, as
Speaker 3: long as you're writing about you. Yeah, you know, that's the.
Speaker 2: Thing matter I reckon. The worst thing you can have
Speaker 2: us for no one to care. Yeah right, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, the Broncos wins at the moment about the
Speaker 2: coverage they're getting, in the coverage matches getting. But you
Speaker 2: know what, they're a massive club. People care about them.
Speaker 2: You look at we see everything now, we see how
Speaker 2: many clicks every story gets. The Broncos get so many eyeballs.
Speaker 2: There's such a big club that when things are going great,
Speaker 2: it's a blown out of proportion. When things are going bad,
Speaker 2: it's blown out of proportion. The worst thing to beers
Speaker 2: in the middle where no one really cares well.
Speaker 1: It only increase the value of the club exactly. Like
Speaker 1: It's like players, you know, even when people start investing
Speaker 1: in players, you know, relationships like I look at Nathan
Speaker 1: and Mary foul like when people start investing in people
Speaker 1: off field as well like that, but that was a brand.
Speaker 1: That was a brand like it increases their personality and
Speaker 1: their value so much.
Speaker 3: Back on the point you made before, one of the
Speaker 3: things that really does my head in is that players
Speaker 3: who retire go into the media and then wing you
Speaker 3: about the media. And you get a lot of that
Speaker 3: people and even if they might be podcasters whatever, they
Speaker 3: wing about the media you but hang on, guys, just
Speaker 3: just take a step back here. Are you not in
Speaker 3: the media or are you just pretending to me in
Speaker 3: the media, because you know, I write articles in that
Speaker 3: so you know, and I've always written marin articles that
Speaker 3: don't have under go because I want to be known.
Speaker 3: It's been able to be a journalists, been able to
Speaker 3: write and it just it just does my head in.
Speaker 3: And particularly when people get there and they go, oh,
Speaker 3: they don't trust the mainstream media, and so Okay, so
Speaker 3: don't trust the mainstream media. So you're trusting some fucking
Speaker 3: idiot on Twitter because that what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 2: But the other thing is a lot of the time
Speaker 2: those guys are reacting to stories that are in the media.
Speaker 2: They're talking about stories that are in the media. I mean,
Speaker 2: podcasts don't generally break the news. The media breaks the news.
Speaker 2: They react to the news, actly right, So they need us,
Speaker 2: That's the bit. I think a lot of them lose
Speaker 2: sight of without us guys making the calls and putting
Speaker 2: the time and having our phone on at nine ten
Speaker 2: o'clock at night and receipt and answering those phone calls,
Speaker 2: what are they talking about? Yeah, you know in many
Speaker 2: of those cases, So you know, I think they forget that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Really, we're going to sort of talk about this later,
Speaker 3: but we're cooking along here now. I imagine how much
Speaker 3: since you first come into journalism, how much the landscape
Speaker 3: has changed. It's just mind blowing the electronic media and
Speaker 3: how it's changing, but also really how the media has
Speaker 3: become in a lot of ways homogenized. Like an example
Speaker 3: I use is like the best example as far as
Speaker 3: written media is news and Fairfax, Like you'red a situation
Speaker 3: where you and Danny are on podcasts together, or it
Speaker 3: could be Danny and Adam Pangelli now their rival Sunday columns.
Speaker 3: Like twenty years ago, if you just told me that
Speaker 3: Danny and Buzz were doing together, there is no way
Speaker 3: in the world that would happen.
Speaker 2: No, you have to separate them. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: like I try to avoid that because I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: think it's a great look for me. Like I know
Speaker 2: Buzz didn't look towards the end, and Buzz didn't go
Speaker 2: on the podcast with Danny, and I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily think I don't like doing it either. I've said
Speaker 2: the triple. I'm prefer not to do that just because
Speaker 2: I just I'm a bit like you, Maddie. I just
Speaker 2: don't think. I like Danny is a good fellow, right,
Speaker 2: I get on with Danny, but it's just I think
Speaker 2: it's a great look for us to be on there
Speaker 2: with him. I prefer not to do it, right, So.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's a funny one ready, like you know
Speaker 3: as far like I worked for years before with you know,
Speaker 3: with you know and other avenues and work with and
Speaker 3: you know, there are people in that organization be bluing
Speaker 3: with somebody, and they naturally then assume they want you
Speaker 3: to take on their battles. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You can't like him because of that, you know. And
Speaker 3: you know, occasionally Denny writes things about me. But one
Speaker 3: thing I always maintain, which I'll never forget. Everyone talks
Speaker 3: about pick and stick, right, and but very few follow it.
Speaker 3: People tell you I pick and stick all the time,
Speaker 3: and I listen to some people and they fucking don't
Speaker 3: you know. One thing I'll say about Danny in a
Speaker 3: really difficult part of my life, he was best about
Speaker 3: the only bloke who's in my corner. And you can write,
Speaker 3: you know, he's written things about me that I haven't
Speaker 3: necessary like, but I haven't forgotten that, and I think
Speaker 3: sometimes you've got to have that balance, like and again,
Speaker 3: if I go back to playing days, you know, or
Speaker 3: when you're dealing with players, it's amazing. And I've had
Speaker 3: calls though this already where you can write someth you know,
Speaker 3: you say something really flattering about a player, and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, about the eighth time you write
Speaker 3: about and you have a criticism about their ball playing
Speaker 3: or something, and I know it gets the reaction. They'll
Speaker 3: ring and go mate fucking.
Speaker 2: That's one of the great frustrations about the journey, right,
Speaker 2: you can write one hundred positive stories about a club
Speaker 2: or a player, but they remember the one negative one.
Speaker 2: The club and the player focus on the one negative
Speaker 2: one that drives you insane.
Speaker 1: It's probably the only one they properly read. Like people.
Speaker 1: That's like people going through their comments and they only
Speaker 1: see the hate ones. But like even player, even and
Speaker 1: I've been a player, so I know it, like I
Speaker 1: know that same feeling of when it's like you see
Speaker 1: a negative story in there, someone criticizes playing a bad game,
Speaker 1: and I played a few of them read out.
Speaker 3: I don't think you ever received any criticism, but.
Speaker 1: It's probably not until you come out of it. And
Speaker 1: then like even the boy, some of my mates now
Speaker 1: who play, or they'll be like, oh, you know, blodody
Speaker 1: this this fellow said this about me. What you know,
Speaker 1: what's he got to like? What right has he got
Speaker 1: to say that about me?
Speaker 3: And this?
Speaker 1: And that I'd rather I'd rather be constructive criticism. But
Speaker 1: then like some players take it well, some players take
Speaker 1: the constructive side well, but even some they just don't
Speaker 1: like to hear any negative about themselves, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, even if it is constructive in a way,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I think it needs to be
Speaker 1: doing this better. Some some people just hate negative feedback.
Speaker 3: Coaches are the worst. I wrote one which I thought
Speaker 3: was totally fair on a coach and a bit of
Speaker 3: ten years ago anyway, raining and I'm just saying something, dude,
Speaker 3: and he goes, he goes fuck it. I went, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: is this and he goes so and so, and I oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: what's going on. I may read your article. You're fucking
Speaker 3: you full of shit? I said, okay, I said, just
Speaker 3: tell me what you didn't think was right now. It
Speaker 3: wasn't an article about being Saturay. It was an article
Speaker 3: about how they were playing. And he's fucking that. And
Speaker 3: I said, listen, mate, look, I said, do yourself a favor.
Speaker 3: Go back and read the fucking article again. There's six
Speaker 3: hundred words of free advice and fuck off.
Speaker 2: What a similar thing with Trent Robinson I was. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say I was close to the robover and I
Speaker 2: had a great relationship with Robbo for a long time,
Speaker 2: to the point where when he'd done ten years at
Speaker 2: the Rousters. We wrote a story me and was meek
Speaker 2: or Dave carrounsel Da Vigue did a two part series
Speaker 2: on Robbo and how he was the greatest coach the Rusters.
Speaker 2: The Roosters had celebrating his ten years the Rooster's right
Speaker 2: and at that point, I can't remember when it was
Speaker 2: during the year, I was doing my Saturday column and
Speaker 2: I had a line in it where it was when
Speaker 2: the lodge stuff was going on and things weren't the
Speaker 2: Roosters weren't going great, and I'd had a line in
Speaker 2: it where I said, basically, there's rumors some players are
Speaker 2: off each other and some players were off the coach.
Speaker 2: And Robbo saw that and took that as I was saying,
Speaker 2: he'd lost the dressing room and my relationship with him
Speaker 2: after a decade of basically sharing praise on the guy
Speaker 2: completely brushed. I sent him a text. I tried to
Speaker 2: ring him. I sent him a text message and look
Speaker 2: to me like that, I look back at that now
Speaker 2: and I don't I don't. Look. I probably shouldn't have
Speaker 2: written the story, right. I acknowledge that, and I said
Speaker 2: it to Robi. I said mate, I probably shouldn't done it, right,
Speaker 2: But I look back at now, I think for teen
Speaker 2: years I was like we were we were great, and
Speaker 2: I was glowing in my praise of him, and in
Speaker 2: one moment you got rid of that. You kicked that
Speaker 2: out of the door and thought it's And I look
Speaker 2: back down and I think, well, clearly he didn't think
Speaker 2: enough for me to even take a phone call afterwards
Speaker 2: to respond to a text message. And it just sort
Speaker 2: of it made me think, well.
Speaker 1: Is that hard? Like because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people look at some of the like journ I know, Dad,
Speaker 1: you told about people Dell, it's like he could go
Speaker 1: up and like someone to have a go at him,
Speaker 1: and it's like water for ducks back doesn't bother him.
Speaker 1: Does that? Like, are you a bit different in that
Speaker 1: sense where it's sort of hurts you?
Speaker 2: Well, you can hear me talking about it or didn't
Speaker 2: like it? Right? I just it really it disappointed me,
Speaker 2: right because I thought we were we had a good relationship,
Speaker 2: and then because of one thing I've written, and then
Speaker 2: I heard some things he'd said about me to some
Speaker 2: other journos and I thought, well, it just showed that
Speaker 2: you didn't really respect or appreciate the relationship. The Sabbath,
Speaker 2: I knowledge I was in the wrong, right, I shouldn't
Speaker 2: have written that right, And I look back and as
Speaker 2: I said, I tried to read him. I texted him
Speaker 2: and said, mate, I shouldn't have written that right, But
Speaker 2: he didn't like And I've spoken to him since. We've
Speaker 2: had sort of briefest conversations since. But it's like the
Speaker 2: relationship will never be the same. And I'm a bit
Speaker 2: different to most people, Like my dad always told me.
Speaker 2: My dad alway said to me, never carry grudge, right,
Speaker 2: I have a different view. I reckon, you need one
Speaker 2: gradue in life, Yeah, just one, So you've got one.
Speaker 2: And my grudge is a woman who tried to get
Speaker 2: me sacked. I don't know her name. If I saw
Speaker 2: her again, I wouldn't know what she looked like. But
Speaker 2: it's the one grudu I carry because she tried to
Speaker 2: get me sacked twenty five years ago when I first
Speaker 2: started work. Right, I don't know, and I don't know
Speaker 2: who she is, but she's just a grudge I carried,
Speaker 2: which you've got to carry one, But I moved. I
Speaker 2: like to tend to move on from things, really like
Speaker 2: I don't. I think life's too short to carry stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Like so when blokes have a go at me,
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't worry, right, I'd sort of get
Speaker 2: over it quickly, right. So, But that that's one that
Speaker 2: sort of stuck with me. I was really disappointed in
Speaker 2: that because I had a great relationship with Robaron.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I have really no hesitation saying I
Speaker 3: think a lot of coaches basically lose sight. I think
Speaker 3: that they at times, I've seen them lose sight because
Speaker 3: they have got command of their own kingdom there and
Speaker 3: their players, and what they say is go and they
Speaker 3: can't control everything, you know. And what I've seen sometimes
Speaker 3: with coaches the reason I don't do sort of work
Speaker 3: with clubs and that much anymore. I've worked with coaches.
Speaker 3: I've had coaches reach out to me and asked me
Speaker 3: for a favor and said, mate, can you do this?
Speaker 3: And I've either gone to their training done something for nothing,
Speaker 3: or they've had they've sent their players over to me
Speaker 3: and I've done it. But guess what, Sometimes the head
Speaker 3: make can we get interviews that no, they can't do it,
Speaker 3: And I've gone, well, you know what, fuck you now?
Speaker 3: It's just that for me, that's an example of you know,
Speaker 3: there's real they have certain rules and they like to
Speaker 3: hold uphold certain things. Then they've got rules for other people. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a funny game rugby league, right. I mean,
Speaker 2: you guys have been a longer than me, right, And
Speaker 2: it's just like, you know, I just feel like we're
Speaker 2: all a bit at times. Journalis, there's not many guys
Speaker 2: in the in the game now that I who are
Speaker 2: involved in the game that I go one hundred percent
Speaker 2: trust that guy. Yeah, you're right, you know, even even
Speaker 2: the closest people, Ladie in this game, right, and you've
Speaker 2: just got to sift out the lives and the truth.
Speaker 2: It's just I don't know, maybe I'm a bit cynical, right,
Speaker 2: I've been doing it for twenty five years. You a
Speaker 2: bit cynical after a while. I'm close to the I'm
Speaker 2: close to the end of the beginning. So I sort
Speaker 2: of think now it's a bit like water for duck
Speaker 2: ducks back to me now, because I'm I'm you know, I'm.
Speaker 1: At the end.
Speaker 2: I'm nearing the end of my my time and sort
Speaker 2: of a view that it's why I say stuff Now
Speaker 2: that's a bit occasional, a bit ridiculous, because I think
Speaker 2: it does matter anyway. I mean, really, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It could be a bit, but you could
Speaker 2: be a bit bright. Like when you're thirty or thirty five,
Speaker 2: forty years on, you've got twenty years left in this game,
Speaker 2: You're still going to sort of be careful what you.
Speaker 1: Say, keep people happy.
Speaker 2: You've got twenty years left, and I've got five ten
Speaker 2: years in this game.
Speaker 3: Look, yeah, I was saying really sometimes and I could think,
Speaker 3: oh my god, something happened to go, oh god, not
Speaker 3: this again. Now when you get fifty five, and I'm
Speaker 3: sort of going, how much long ago I got left?
Speaker 3: And I said, you know what, fuck it, I'll just
Speaker 3: enjoy it. They keep paying you, just keep turning back. Eventually, Wait,
Speaker 3: eventually you'll turn up and your key won't work to
Speaker 3: get in.
Speaker 2: People will suddenly just Braik and Gordy and ass. And
Speaker 2: I said, I'm happy to be punching bout it as
Speaker 2: long as I'm paid punching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want, I don't care to ask question?
Speaker 4: Actually, could this might be a this might be an
Speaker 4: older question. So before all the Instagram and all the
Speaker 4: reels and stuff like that these days, and you get
Speaker 4: to justify yourself on shows. But I imagine back in the
Speaker 4: day when you're writing articles, did you get wrung for
Speaker 4: what you wrote in an art or mainly for the headline,
Speaker 4: like did you ever bring you? They never actually read
Speaker 4: the article, but they just read the headline and they
Speaker 4: went straight to.
Speaker 3: The first Well, I'll give read the example of that.
Speaker 3: Recently wrote one with Lorry and the headline didn't said
Speaker 3: that the story because I thought Rudy's Rudy's really on
Speaker 3: mere kuppa here, and I just gotten.
Speaker 2: So much ship from my mates about that.
Speaker 1: What was the headline?
Speaker 2: Well, the headline was so I think it called me
Speaker 2: Queen's a legend or something. I said I'm sorry, and
Speaker 2: the article deliberately didn't say I'm sorry to Lorry. I
Speaker 2: didn't never said I was sorry, Laurie. I actually got work.
Speaker 2: I rang work and said can change the head because
Speaker 2: that's that's not accurate. That didn't stop people giving it
Speaker 2: to me, right, So I remember dares run me once
Speaker 2: a long time ago, because Josh Morris is someone got
Speaker 2: charged with a chicken wing and I was I was
Speaker 2: only young then. It was very early in my career.
Speaker 2: And I tell a story on the paper and Des
Speaker 2: obviously read the story. He wrung me. He never he
Speaker 2: never print it's it's has here. Hey, I just want
Speaker 2: for the sake of your journalistic career. I just want
Speaker 2: to give us some advice on how you should write stories.
Speaker 2: And Des was on the phone of me for twenty
Speaker 2: minutes telling me how I should have written the story about.
Speaker 2: I think it was Josh Morris, kind of, he's one
Speaker 2: of the guys.
Speaker 1: Something Josh Morris do.
Speaker 2: But I remember when I was at Union. I was
Speaker 2: thinking about this on the way here because I thought
Speaker 2: you'd asked me about how the game had changed. So
Speaker 2: I went to Queen's and the US Technology in Brisbane,
Speaker 2: right and I actually named Lean Gernardo. That's how old
Speaker 2: I am. I remember. We're a lecture one day and
Speaker 2: Len's going, okay, guys, there's this thing called the internet. Okay,
Speaker 2: you need to get your head around this because one
Speaker 2: day newspapers will be gone and everything will be on
Speaker 2: the internet. I was sitting there going, you've got fifteen
Speaker 2: no idea, what are you talking about? And now I
Speaker 2: think the bloke was a genius. It was thirty years ago, mate,
Speaker 2: reading absolute genius. Now Len was thirty years ago, so
Speaker 2: I wander he was in around ridiculous?
Speaker 3: Is he right at the end? Maybe? But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: Really I was thinking one the other day. I was
Speaker 3: I remember year nine at school where you're going and
Speaker 3: you're making your electives and one was computer study and
Speaker 3: one was Asian studies and me even mates went, who
Speaker 3: the fuck? Why would you ever run a computer? Why
Speaker 3: would you want to go to Asia? That's going on
Speaker 3: the list to Lens Granado.
Speaker 4: So we've got we've got a list of like names
Speaker 4: that come up in stories. So underneath Lens Granado we've
Speaker 4: got Itchy hold them. We've got Uncle Coudy, Edwards, Cole Bradley,
Speaker 4: Donald Latiss, and someone named Sternie Jack.
Speaker 1: Can I just say this is this isn't even a part.
Speaker 1: This is just Jack's personal Those names have never been
Speaker 1: a part of the podcast.
Speaker 2: Another one for you. When I was before I became
Speaker 2: a journal I worked in the government for the because
Speaker 2: my dad was really high up in the public service.
Speaker 2: So before I became a journalist, I thought I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to be my dad, right, So I did. I
Speaker 2: started doing an artist to read, got a job in
Speaker 2: the government, and I work with a woman whose name
Speaker 2: was Sandy Beach.
Speaker 1: On technology. Do you have ch do use AI to
Speaker 1: write story? But I found out you can talk to AI.
Speaker 1: Now have you figured that out? And it has a
Speaker 1: conversation back with you? Okay, listen to this. I was
Speaker 1: doing this in bed the other night.
Speaker 2: Right here we go in bed? What are interesting?
Speaker 1: You know what I was doing? I get it up
Speaker 1: the other day?
Speaker 2: You're another way that can be and you're working on
Speaker 2: how you got it up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What you do with your left hand while you're masturbating
Speaker 3: if you reach below the scroadh.
Speaker 1: And this you can ask her to do stuff like hey,
Speaker 1: how you doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Pretty much.
Speaker 1: You can just talk naturally and I'll follow a lot.
Speaker 5: If you want something specific, just see it, like can
Speaker 5: you count to one hundred fast?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm with give me.
Speaker 1: I'm currently with Brent Reid and he wants you to
Speaker 1: out to one hundred in Chinese?
Speaker 3: All right, starting now?
Speaker 1: Ling? So are you joking, lil is that insane or
Speaker 1: the world's crazy man? Mate?
Speaker 3: Lee? What was his a?
Speaker 1: Lee Carnighan, the singer No, your universe, it's a singer.
Speaker 2: It's a cutch of Western Seas if he saw.
Speaker 1: What was going on in the world. Now he roll
Speaker 1: over in great sounded, wouldn't they, Oh, it's just amazing.
Speaker 2: I'd taken some share.
Speaker 3: I wanted to give to share advice where this one, lady,
Speaker 3: I kick yourself about this all the time, Me and
Speaker 3: my dear mate Brian Carney in twenty I reckon twenty
Speaker 3: fourteen would have been bought Time magazine right un we're
Speaker 3: sitting there having to flee through. I said, Brian, have
Speaker 3: a look at this. There was a story about the
Speaker 3: dark Web. Now, this American guy living in Australia had
Speaker 3: unlocked the code for the American military and was dealing
Speaker 3: this stuff, dealing in a thing called Silk Road. He
Speaker 3: was doing selling arms and stuff and and because of
Speaker 3: that he couldn't they couldn't, you know, exchange with proper
Speaker 3: money because it would be found. So that this thing
Speaker 3: called bitcoin and there was crypto and we looked at
Speaker 3: it and they said, mate, this is what's going at
Speaker 3: the moment. Once once came out at point three of cent.
Speaker 3: At this point it's worth thirty three cents. And we
Speaker 3: both went, oh, no, we've missed the boat.
Speaker 1: Well, Kyle Sandland's manager Bruno Bouchet, who worked on the
Speaker 1: radio with on the List. Bruno he he actually had
Speaker 1: so he had bitcoin long before anyone when it was
Speaker 1: that like twenty or like ten dollars. Maybe it's not
Speaker 1: like what eighty thousand dollars Now. He was buying things
Speaker 1: in a whole bit, like he go and pay for
Speaker 1: meals and like furniture in bitcoin. So he said, man,
Speaker 1: if I had it, just held on to it, I
Speaker 1: would have been literally like a one hundred like multimillionaire.
Speaker 1: And he's because he spent like multiple bitcoins just on
Speaker 1: drinks and stuff.
Speaker 3: Fletch went to a party once. Flet's got a call
Speaker 3: and said, they said, if we pay a significant amount
Speaker 3: of cash cash in hand, would you come to this party.
Speaker 3: He goes, oh yeah, what is it? They said, it's
Speaker 3: just a party and mate's going to celebrate. And where
Speaker 3: is it They said it's way out in the back
Speaker 3: of ips, which way. Okay, How am I going to get.
Speaker 2: My stomping ground Battle of the Year and just a contender?
Speaker 3: Anyway? Said okay. So Fletch gets off playing this with
Speaker 3: this bloke picks him up in this made Lamborghini and
Speaker 3: he's going. He turns up at this place and these
Speaker 3: it's made. Everything's laid on anyway. This bloke's a real
Speaker 3: knock about like a flat chair ye. And he goes, oh, mate,
Speaker 3: how do you make your money? And goes mate, I'm
Speaker 3: worth almost a billion dollars. He goes how he said, mane,
Speaker 3: I know, I just brought a heap of that bitcoin
Speaker 3: when I first came out, and this bloke, now I
Speaker 3: was driving, he had like multiple Lamborghinis and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: The questionable people at the party.
Speaker 2: On the opposite of that, I bought bitcoin of its
Speaker 2: peak and I'm now now I've got half water investor
Speaker 2: shelling it.
Speaker 1: So I was brilliant, but there was now forgive me.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the rappers, but when I was in
Speaker 1: Melbourne a few of us went to this guy's house party.
Speaker 1: Someone invited us Crypto like multimillionaire billionaire walked in mate,
Speaker 1: just like car like luxury cars everywhere. You walked through
Speaker 1: a room that was completely snow like he'd imported snow
Speaker 1: and a snow machine, and it was like, what's going
Speaker 1: I walked in and then it might have been t
Speaker 1: Pain or some rapper they'd flown it in and he
Speaker 1: was just I don't think it was P Diddy. I
Speaker 1: don't think it was P Diddy, But he was just
Speaker 1: in there singing, like living in a different world than.
Speaker 2: We saw Tea Paine in Las Vegas at the After
Speaker 2: the Vegas when he played the played the concert at
Speaker 2: the end of.
Speaker 1: Conco at that little nightclub in the resorts world. You
Speaker 1: a t pain man.
Speaker 2: I really had never heard of him a lot.
Speaker 1: What about Tim Payne soccer player, cricketer cricketer?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Tim Payne is the New Zealand soccer player who Yeah,
Speaker 1: up the molt. He turned from the least followers in
Speaker 1: the World Cup to the most.
Speaker 3: Another one, Sandy Beach. I had an old coach whose
Speaker 3: name was was let me think it was Graham Paine
Speaker 3: and he married this woman whose name was Shan and
Speaker 3: so she becomes Champagne. Yeah what about people love? That's true.
Speaker 3: You know some of the great buzz stories about buzzers
Speaker 3: feuds is over the years you said, the right bot
Speaker 3: one have you ever had like he had some not
Speaker 3: what's not feuds, but big runnings with I didn't.
Speaker 2: Talk to Chok what mom for a long time. Actually MARKL.
Speaker 2: Chandler's broke the ice here. Because I Chalk used to
Speaker 2: do press conferences, I'd walk away. I just wouldn't be
Speaker 2: involved in the right. I can't remember what he fell
Speaker 2: out about because he used to live down the road
Speaker 2: from me. Chock a freshy used to live like up
Speaker 2: the road for me. Sorry so occa. You just see
Speaker 2: him walk from the harboard Hilton up to his apartment.
Speaker 2: But we had a blue about something. I can't even
Speaker 2: rember what it was about. So whenever he do a
Speaker 2: press conference, I just walk away. And the wonder when
Speaker 2: he was a paramot. One day Chamis has gone. There
Speaker 2: was a press conference on and everyone was talking to him.
Speaker 2: Chattas gone, come on read he come over and I said, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's all good, you do it, and went, no, come
Speaker 2: on coming in that a big one with Willy once
Speaker 2: Will he will He went to rugby and I had
Speaker 2: written I was I was at the odds and I
Speaker 2: was writing a column and I wrote something about him, saying,
Speaker 2: will He's been tackling like rugby union player for years now. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Will he was in WILLI he was playing for the Barbarians.
Speaker 2: He was in Hong Kong, or somewhere. Anyway, it was
Speaker 2: when the Origin team was getting picked around the same time,
Speaker 2: and Willie must have seen this story. I don't know
Speaker 2: how he saw it. It's maybe someone sent it to him. Anyway,
Speaker 2: he bombards me on Twitter. Brent Reid's breath tells smells
Speaker 2: like ship he cleans, there's there's there's two years ship
Speaker 2: for toothplayers to clean his teeth. And then we're in
Speaker 2: our Origin and I think it was James Phillips. Someone's
Speaker 2: going to look at will It was just a barre. Okay, now,
Speaker 2: okay said, but I don't.
Speaker 3: It's one thing about rugby leagues of people after a
Speaker 3: period of time, pick up, move on.
Speaker 1: Well, there's so much that happens, like you're getting sprayed
Speaker 1: from every direction. So eventually everything just happened. Well, have
Speaker 1: you made it with Jake Javovich?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jake and Spencer Spencer game you serving on the
Speaker 2: sidelines last year? Yeah, Spencer did. Yeah. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: spoken to him, but you know, Spencer has got a
Speaker 2: few screezelos old Spence, but Jakie's we're good value now
Speaker 2: he's good.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite because I was right there because
Speaker 1: we just do there Yeah, we were just doing that
Speaker 1: promo with the golfer. Paige Spirinak was another name Page
Speaker 1: spir and A and h. Yeah, we're doing the promo
Speaker 1: and you're walking in and you're trying to get a
Speaker 1: quote about just it was. It was a story something
Speaker 1: about maybe Tom or something at the time, and he
Speaker 1: was just he wasn't having.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking today reading. I told him not talk.
Speaker 1: Come on, it's a promo day reading. It's not an interview,
Speaker 1: it's a promo.
Speaker 2: Spirit So she's turned up with that because I went
Speaker 2: to the Masters that year, which I'm wearing now right,
Speaker 2: one of the great events went to. But Paige Spirriinak
Speaker 2: that year, she'd come out to Australia and she was
Speaker 2: hosting a Master's party at augusta right. So so Braith
Speaker 2: came over the breath and asked. So I said, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll organized this. We'll go to this party, right because
Speaker 2: we thought paid spiring would be awesome. So anyway, I
Speaker 2: organized through her agent. When we got over there, I
Speaker 2: emailed the agent. So our page just promised us because
Speaker 2: when I saw hers, I will come to your party.
Speaker 2: She said, let my agent, I'll organize them for you.
Speaker 2: So I wrote page spiring ax aviters to the party.
Speaker 2: We got these free tickets. We turned up. Honestly, there
Speaker 2: would have been about six people past paid spirin Ac.
Speaker 1: There was like a.
Speaker 2: Red carpet she was. We didn't got in the red carpet.
Speaker 2: She was greeting people on the red carpet and then
Speaker 2: they went into a back room, so we didn't even
Speaker 2: see her. Yeah, so Braith was wasn't overly impressed. He
Speaker 2: was filthy.
Speaker 1: He took his clothes sticks off.
Speaker 2: The Masters was unbelievable, one of the like the greatest thing,
Speaker 2: because I mean, I love golf. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: a massive golf but I love golf. I always watched
Speaker 2: the Masters, and you know, I play a little bit
Speaker 2: as well. Not great, but I played a little bit.
Speaker 2: But going there, that place is just such a unique place.
Speaker 2: It's just it's everything you imagine, is like heaven on earth.
Speaker 2: So that was a great week. And I love Olympics,
Speaker 2: like I went to I covered Sydney when I first
Speaker 2: moved to Sydney. That was my first year of journalists
Speaker 2: in Sydney. And then I went to a rio which
Speaker 2: was so good, Like I was lucky, right, I covered
Speaker 2: beach volleyball, so I stayed.
Speaker 3: So I stayed again.
Speaker 2: So I stayed like two blocks back from Copa Cabana beach,
Speaker 2: so that the media I'm center was miles it was
Speaker 2: it miles way inland and I was two blocks back
Speaker 2: from Copa Cabana. So that was like I loved, I
Speaker 2: love the Olympics. So I covered Usain Baldwin and likes
Speaker 2: you won.
Speaker 3: That's appreciation for journalism, like for you blokes. Because to
Speaker 3: go over for me, that was the most stressful part
Speaker 3: just about I've had with working is that to go
Speaker 3: into something that you don't know inside out and have
Speaker 3: to get right you know, and you know and plus
Speaker 3: make like people when I said, were going over and
Speaker 3: I don't worry there it's gonna be oh yeah, what
Speaker 3: do you But like you don't finish every night, you're
Speaker 3: working about twelve thirty to one o'clock, you're first thing
Speaker 3: in the morning. It's made.
Speaker 2: It's relentless.
Speaker 3: It was a grind, but that grain.
Speaker 2: That was a great trip. Like we were in they did.
Speaker 2: We were staying in such a good part of the city.
Speaker 2: It were surrounded by restaurants and bars and great the
Speaker 2: place were standing was amazing and obviously, as I said,
Speaker 2: I just love Olympic games. I reckon, they're in our job,
Speaker 2: that's the thing you want to do. Well.
Speaker 1: There's next level money in it, like you talk about
Speaker 1: the Masters and the Olympics, and we just had the
Speaker 1: fee for World Cup like that, the money that is
Speaker 1: in that. In comparison to the look like rugby.
Speaker 3: League some of the sites there coops like went with
Speaker 3: the swimming, like rasting ninety two, which is the big
Speaker 3: rugby side. They haven't in the stadium will They moved
Speaker 3: the start the rugby field out and put the pool
Speaker 3: in the pool and they them like the French sceneing
Speaker 3: the nash the French national anthem when they won gold
Speaker 3: medalses really like you've been to the States for different things.
Speaker 3: I mean UFC's on part that one we went to
Speaker 3: there was patriotism, but I've really seen patriotism like the
Speaker 3: French Yah at that Olympics off.
Speaker 2: Your man in the pool is his name? The French guy?
Speaker 2: One of those girls?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I go back to rugby league for a second.
Speaker 1: I've always in terms of journalism when it gets the
Speaker 1: state of origin, because obviously podcasters people in the media,
Speaker 1: you go with your respective states, like everyone in the
Speaker 1: media for New so Wales, you know, you sort of
Speaker 1: covering you so you're a Queenslander. Is that kind of
Speaker 1: the way. The journalists go the same way as well,
Speaker 1: like you write stories about your respective states.
Speaker 2: It's hard for me because I've worked for News of
Speaker 2: the newspaper, I worked for the Telegraph. It's been really hard.
Speaker 2: I find Origin very difficult because I mean, I'm a
Speaker 2: Queensland It. I grew up like while he was my
Speaker 2: hero growing up right, and like I played soccer, but
Speaker 2: my dad was a league and I grew up watching
Speaker 2: the League. Like I loved Rugby League. I love the King,
Speaker 2: I love like Origin was just to cry when we
Speaker 2: lost storage in the early years. Still doing it. It's
Speaker 2: hard because I'm writing for a Sydney paper and I
Speaker 2: don't Yeah, yeah, it's just different. I find it difficult
Speaker 2: at times. And this one's been hard because I've been
Speaker 2: very critical of Lorry and his coaching in the series,
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't like I wouldn't say I'm
Speaker 2: close to Laurie, but I've had a good relationship with
Speaker 2: over the years, and it's again it's been sort of
Speaker 2: fractured by my coverage and then said Wales team. But
Speaker 2: I always thinking, you know, like Origin is different, It's
Speaker 2: different everything because it's everything's amplified ten times in Origin. Right,
Speaker 2: you can have a coaches under pressure. Shane Flanningers was
Speaker 2: under pressure for twelve thirteen weeks this year, but it
Speaker 2: was it was a slow burn, right, Yep. With Origin,
Speaker 2: you're under pressure from day one and it is intense, right,
Speaker 2: And Laurie Laurie's record wasn't great, so the so as
Speaker 2: a Queensland the blow torches on you. Yeah, right, that's
Speaker 2: the way. That's the way Origin has been since the
Speaker 2: very start, right, So I don't know why suddenly people
Speaker 2: have gone, oh, Paul Laurie got treated us. That's Origin, man,
Speaker 2: When you sign up, that's the job you signed.
Speaker 3: Up for general And I tell you what really, What's
Speaker 3: what's really interesting I've noticed in the last couple of
Speaker 3: years is that people used to pick a team, like
Speaker 3: whether it be when people in the media and whether
Speaker 3: it's a journalism or a podcast or you know, experts,
Speaker 3: you pick you know, like I'm in New South Wales
Speaker 3: and I'm going to New South Wales and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden and someone goes one the Queens. I'm going Queensland,
Speaker 3: and if Queensland win the series, they give it to you,
Speaker 3: they give you all the square ups. Yeah. Now I'm
Speaker 3: finding it's just extending further. It's extending into not just
Speaker 3: New South Wales and Queensland, but opinion. So people saying
Speaker 3: you know, some people saying you know Nathan and move's
Speaker 3: still got something to improve. Other people saying he's got
Speaker 3: nothing to prove. People go there hasn't that much approved,
Speaker 3: but he has to do in Origin. Well, he's got
Speaker 3: something to proved to himself. And then how it plays
Speaker 3: out is almost bragging rights who basically hit the prediction,
Speaker 3: if that makes sense. And it's all those things, Laurie,
Speaker 3: there was Billy. Now it's what I will say.
Speaker 1: We talked about like media being just just a part
Speaker 1: of the like it is without media in the game,
Speaker 1: like what it does to create the drama through the week,
Speaker 1: particularly it's stut of origin, like you know obviously fuck
Speaker 1: I love New So Wales and to see after the
Speaker 1: build up, like you said, the pressure from day one
Speaker 1: that the coaches are under to then see like New
Speaker 1: So Wale's win at the end like it makes the
Speaker 1: spectacle of it so much more like it was. It
Speaker 1: was almost the drama through the week of a state
Speaker 1: of from game one to game three, I'd get I'd
Speaker 1: three days out of the stat of Origin, Like I
Speaker 1: haven't felt that in a long time, where I'm so
Speaker 1: keen for the game to come around because of just
Speaker 1: the drama that had been built a.
Speaker 2: Lot of the times. Now you've got it, We've got
Speaker 2: to manufacture that the news because players don't say a
Speaker 2: lot now, right, you know, even it's not a lot
Speaker 2: of the days when Gale got paid ten grand to
Speaker 2: call queens and his two heads and stuff like he
Speaker 2: remember that course disgrace from right, But players don't. They're
Speaker 2: naturally reserved now. So you've got a like Origin is
Speaker 2: always better when there's like I always think, if you
Speaker 2: can get a storyline going in the lead up to
Speaker 2: Origin and just keep it going, keep it going, and
Speaker 2: keep her going, it makes our life easy but also
Speaker 2: creates a storyline around the game. And Laurie became the storyline, right,
Speaker 2: And Nathan's always the storyline because man, he's such a
Speaker 2: good player. He's like I find him, I find him fascinating.
Speaker 2: Nathan Cleary, like, he is such a he's such a
Speaker 2: good player. We spoke earlier about his relationship with Mary,
Speaker 2: that they play out and they're happy to I find
Speaker 2: it amazing they happy to play it out in social
Speaker 2: media and share it with us. But he strikes me
Speaker 2: as such a nice bloke. It's such a humble guy,
Speaker 2: and I find that I just find him fascinating. I
Speaker 2: wish I was close to him's one guy on the game.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't particularly have a I'm not particularly
Speaker 2: close to him because when his dad left the Tigers,
Speaker 2: I was quite heavy on him, and you know, my
Speaker 2: relationship with with the Ivan was never great. Right, So
Speaker 2: he's one guy, Nathan's one guy. I wish I was
Speaker 2: really knew him better because he's I'll find him an
Speaker 2: amazing guy. You know.
Speaker 3: It's really it's interesting, Rudy, you said that I'd bet
Speaker 3: the makeup of his personality, the makeup of his personality
Speaker 3: there's really underestimated and hasn't ather light shone upon. It
Speaker 3: is his mom's side of the family, the Stewarts, which
Speaker 3: is Josh Stewart, and you know, like how all the
Speaker 3: sisters were married to Jason Deith and so and so forth.
Speaker 3: They're really made really hardcore, regular family, outstanding family like Nathan's.
Speaker 3: Nathan's mum, Beck is just one of the best pop
Speaker 3: you'd ever meet. Mate. She's really she's really tough. And
Speaker 3: I look at that and I can see he's got
Speaker 3: his dad's temperament, but he's got a bit of his
Speaker 3: mum's killer on that side of it. Like it's like,
Speaker 3: like not enough gets said about that Stuart's side of
Speaker 3: the family. But we've had him here in viewing him
Speaker 3: to what he is ready, he's just like all champions.
Speaker 3: He's very self aware. He's acutely aware of what makes
Speaker 3: him good, what he has to do, the disciplines he
Speaker 3: has to have in his game to achieve what he does,
Speaker 3: all those things. He's really mastered himself. Like as I said,
Speaker 3: like all champions.
Speaker 2: He seems like that. He appears that way to me.
Speaker 2: I see a guy is, as I said, really grounded,
Speaker 2: very humble, very comfortable his own skin, right, I mean
Speaker 2: that's the way he appears to me. People of his Tommy,
Speaker 2: he's been introverted. And I actually went to the Kangaroo
Speaker 2: Tour three years ago and he was on that tour,
Speaker 2: and you can see he's like you can see on
Speaker 2: that tour he's he is a bit of an introverted guy, right, So.
Speaker 3: I could see that in a new in a new
Speaker 3: environment when you when you went away on tours back
Speaker 3: in the day. Ready, there's a mismash of people you
Speaker 3: don't really know that well, and there's outrageous characters. There's
Speaker 3: people you don't know.
Speaker 2: What he was on tour with Cameron Munster. There is
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's very he's very He's not your typical half back
Speaker 1: or half you know, the half back when you when
Speaker 1: you come through juniors that the loows in the teest
Speaker 1: so they go, we'll put you as your half back.
Speaker 1: He's not that. He's they would have put it. He's
Speaker 1: got all the skills, but he doesn't have that real
Speaker 1: extroverted personality which half backs do.
Speaker 2: Which the game makes what he does even more amazing.
Speaker 3: Right. I mean it's all around, mate, it's all the
Speaker 3: killer and everything.
Speaker 2: That's the thing about origin, right, Like guy was one
Speaker 2: of the guys going he needs to own origin, right,
Speaker 2: because I didn't think he had and you know I
Speaker 2: heard Gassay on no one's own origin. Please. I mean
Speaker 2: while Lewis Norrige. He won eight min in the Match awards.
Speaker 2: Cameron Smith, in my opinion on knowledge, right, Joey owned Origin?
Speaker 3: Slater right, Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know about Joey, but like so, I.
Speaker 2: Was different view. I think he had to at some
Speaker 2: point own Origin, right, And that's a game where everything
Speaker 2: gets skewed and distorted. Right. I never said he wasn't
Speaker 2: a great player, or wasn't the best player in the game,
Speaker 2: or wasn't it wasn't you know, an elite football right.
Speaker 2: But people go, you know, he doesn't need to own Origin.
Speaker 2: He's your son, He's not a great player. That's rubbish.
Speaker 2: No one ever said that.
Speaker 3: I said, I said going into the game, I said,
Speaker 3: you go and tell Nathan Cleary that he's got nothing
Speaker 3: to prove in Origin and made Hill tell you different.
Speaker 3: I said, because people like Nathan Cleary they believe they've
Speaker 3: always got something to prove. And I have no doubt
Speaker 3: going into this series Nathan in his head would have
Speaker 3: been saying to himself, I want to dominate Origin at
Speaker 3: the same way I have dominated club football, and that's
Speaker 3: every player's goal and and this year he did that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what the best.
Speaker 1: The best players have that the best players have like
Speaker 1: you go and ask Nathan, now, have you dominated club Land?
Speaker 1: Probably in his own head, he still says no, because
Speaker 1: he still wants to win another Like you've seen what
Speaker 1: he's doing for Penrith now, like it's that's still a
Speaker 1: half back that is as desperate as ever to win another.
Speaker 3: Entry when he stayed here. Really, this is interesting. So
Speaker 3: we had until Trish decided to tear this place apart
Speaker 3: because we're in a building like you the tools, by.
Speaker 2: The way, you're out there helping out or Dad.
Speaker 1: Have a look at those hands. Hasn't there no callouses, mate?
Speaker 3: Or all the gifts between the years exactly. But we
Speaker 3: walked out there till Trus saw the place apart, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, was going to be a coat of
Speaker 3: paint here in the nail on the wall. So now
Speaker 3: she's tall the places inside out, and we had a
Speaker 3: bookcase and walked out and having a look at it,
Speaker 3: and I said, Nathan, you read this book, and it
Speaker 3: was the Tiger Woods Book, and I have basically no
Speaker 3: interest in golf. Really, it's one of the most intriguing
Speaker 3: books I've ever read read about someone mastering themselves and
Speaker 3: not accepting ninety nine point nine percent, willing to break
Speaker 3: everything apart to everything down to find that extra point
Speaker 3: one percent. And I said, no, we're having to talk
Speaker 3: about it and he said, I said that's what the
Speaker 3: book was about. He said, can I have it? And
Speaker 3: in my mind I thought no. I thought it, Well,
Speaker 3: that's okay.
Speaker 2: But I saw a Tiger play. Actually this is a
Speaker 2: great trip, I went on. I got this email one
Speaker 2: day and it was from the promoters of Tiger's Golf tournament,
Speaker 2: the Hero whatever it's called, the Hero word challenge, I
Speaker 2: think now and he used to hold in Orlando, right,
Speaker 2: So I thought, bugger, I'll ride back to them. So
Speaker 2: right back to them, and they said it the five
Speaker 2: journals in Australia. I rode back and said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it works. Was when I was at the Australia I said, work,
Speaker 2: said I'm free to go if you guys cover the course.
Speaker 2: They rode back to me and said, you know, worries,
Speaker 2: we'll cover it. So when Iver the target, I was
Speaker 2: only journo responded to him when over the Tiger's Golf
Speaker 2: tournham and covered it. Was when he had the yips. Remember,
Speaker 2: he couldn't Chip. Yeah, mate, that was amazing, Like watching
Speaker 2: Tiger with the year he couldn't chip.
Speaker 1: Did you hang out with him like sort of in
Speaker 1: his off field stuff? Didn't get right. One more Nathan
Speaker 1: thing before we move on, just because you just triggered
Speaker 1: my memory with that talking about game three that camp,
Speaker 1: because I they had a ninety six reunion and Joey
Speaker 1: and Laurie and all that. They had a big that
Speaker 1: ninety sixteen one in on the Monday night of camp,
Speaker 1: and I had dinner with Joey the night after his
Speaker 1: hungouts hungovers like I've never seen him so hungover. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he was talking, I said, who is on your table?
Speaker 1: And I think he was sitting next to Mitch Moses
Speaker 1: and Chief was next to Nathan, and he said, oh,
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was really weird, like you know,
Speaker 1: like only his experiences from Origin and bonding nights. He said,
Speaker 1: Nathan wasn't really drinking like all a lot of the
Speaker 1: other boys are drinking. And every time I'd sort of
Speaker 1: drop into Chief and Nathan's conversation, they were just talking
Speaker 1: about like leadership and like mentality going into a big games.
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking I was like in a Joey's head.
Speaker 1: He'd be going, oh, what are they doing that? Like,
Speaker 1: what are they wasting time on that? For like have
Speaker 1: a good time. But I was thinking, fire out. That's
Speaker 1: a boat that like really wants to lock in for
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 3: Three chiefs. Very respected kind of guy. He's very very,
Speaker 3: very very spiritual chief, but was very acutely aware of
Speaker 3: how he should play. Like he'd say to me sometimes, Chimpy,
Speaker 3: take your shirt on, Chimpy, there's nothing more terrifying than
Speaker 3: going into a game not having enough focus. But there
Speaker 3: is something as terrifying having too much focus, being too
Speaker 3: far within yourself. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: No, let's go off other alert athletes because you were
Speaker 1: in a lead athlete yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you played at Brisbane, So I played.
Speaker 2: I played State League up there for about seven years.
Speaker 2: I played for Cole Stars, which is a side Hipswy's
Speaker 2: in Teringa and Cole Stars had we had a Brisbane
Speaker 2: that were called Brisbane United then it was a precursor
Speaker 2: to the Brisbane Strikers. And they played a trial game,
Speaker 2: pre season trial game, and I was like, I think
Speaker 2: it was twenty one at the time, and I had
Speaker 2: just had a great game. So on this one day,
Speaker 2: I had this great game and they had no money.
Speaker 2: They were broke, right, they were going broke. So they
Speaker 2: signed me to an apprentice, a prenise. Dear. I was
Speaker 2: getting thirty bucks petrol money a week, so this said
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, thirty bucks petrol money a week. I
Speaker 2: got fifty loss seven I think it was seventy one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty a draw, three hundred to win. And
Speaker 2: I played a season announced and the Sella played five games.
Speaker 2: Scored a goal. I'll never forget the goal. It was
Speaker 2: the second last game of the year, was at home.
Speaker 2: We planned Preston Macedonia at Perry Park, the old Perry Park.
Speaker 2: But we were such a bad team. My mum and
Speaker 2: dad went to all my games, right, They loved They
Speaker 2: love follow my parents, God bless him. I love them.
Speaker 2: They went to all my games, came and watched every
Speaker 2: one of them. We were so bad they didn't even
Speaker 2: go to my last. No cameras are there to capture
Speaker 2: the moment because by the covering us we were ship
Speaker 2: ship And I scored a goal and I remember dropping
Speaker 2: back to halfway and I literally pinched myself because it
Speaker 2: was like my dream right. Yeah. I literally pinched myself
Speaker 2: to go this, this can't be real. I pinched myself.
Speaker 3: What about those days like really with the old NFL
Speaker 3: where it was long religious or ethnic lines, you know,
Speaker 3: like to say you had like the Melbourne Nights to
Speaker 3: Croatian South Melon.
Speaker 2: I played at South Melbourne at the old Albert Park
Speaker 2: and they had a gun dare like friends were a
Speaker 2: TV Portra and BOLDI we got spanked five one or something.
Speaker 2: Didn't went he was at he was at Melbourne. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd missed him by a year, sadly playing as Kevin
Speaker 2: Musk at that day Kens he was about eighteen and
Speaker 2: just abuse everyone all game. Kevin Musk give us a lunatic.
Speaker 2: But I remember walking off at half time and the
Speaker 2: crazy the fans. They were just given to us over
Speaker 2: the fence.
Speaker 1: And what position were you?
Speaker 2: Center? Midfield? Midfield? I was a bit like I always say,
Speaker 2: it was a bit like Roy Keane without without the ability.
Speaker 2: I was a bit I had that I was.
Speaker 3: That was a bit journalism.
Speaker 2: A lot used to sledge well.
Speaker 1: I saw what you said to Ja Rovich.
Speaker 3: I was obviously the other day. I love the football.
Speaker 3: I was on a plane the other day with a
Speaker 3: guy and would have a bit of a chatter chat
Speaker 3: and his name was Matteo and you know and you believe, yeah,
Speaker 3: when he gets made, I played Racy Milan. He said
Speaker 3: I was an apprentice.
Speaker 1: And well, to round off, I got a we do
Speaker 1: a little thing on he called an auction draft every
Speaker 1: now and then. I've ever heard what that is.
Speaker 2: The auction draft I do all the time NFL.
Speaker 1: So okay, so basically you're not going to know who's
Speaker 1: coming next. I'm going to give you this. The theme
Speaker 1: is all time soccer World Cup players, So all time soccer,
Speaker 1: all time soccer.
Speaker 3: Both doing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you and REDI are in. So I'll say bid,
Speaker 1: So you guys both have twenty five dollars each. Right,
Speaker 1: I'll say a player, you bid on who you want
Speaker 1: it or it's only it's four to a team. So
Speaker 1: it's two strikers and two midfielders, and the people are
Speaker 1: going to vote who's got the better soccer team.
Speaker 4: Okay, and for context, this time, it's fake money, So.
Speaker 1: Dad won't bid more than two dollars because it's you
Speaker 1: got twenty five dollars, And I'll keep track of your
Speaker 1: funds for you all right. The first player Earling Harland.
Speaker 2: A dollar.
Speaker 3: Oh you don't want I'll go three dollars.
Speaker 1: You want him to and you canna let him have.
Speaker 2: Him all time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all times, so you don't know who's coming next
Speaker 1: him for three bucks? Three bucks, okay, Dad, you can
Speaker 1: have him twenty two dollars remain. Next player, Linel Messi.
Speaker 2: Ten.
Speaker 3: I'll let.
Speaker 1: So tight, okay, Ronaldo of the Brazilian kind.
Speaker 3: Ten.
Speaker 2: He's very good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's a gun.
Speaker 2: And oh I can't go.
Speaker 1: You have fifteen dollars left?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he can have I have ten?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: The next player, pell O five.
Speaker 3: Your recond.
Speaker 1: You guys are way off. So you get your summer.
Speaker 3: You start at ten. I'll I'll go, I'll go, I'll
Speaker 3: get I'll get a game plan in mine.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, you've got a game okay, Reader, you've got
Speaker 1: ten dollars left. Dad, you've got twelve dollars left. And
Speaker 1: there's four more places. Okay, Jude Bellingham.
Speaker 2: There's only four players, so you guys both got there's
Speaker 2: only eight players altogether. Yeah, okay, I'll got two dollars.
Speaker 2: You can have dude, okay, ude, But it's one will
Speaker 2: cop come on.
Speaker 5: Hey Jude the Beatles song He Let Them Down. David Beckham,
Speaker 5: I love bes Man. Can I tell you a story
Speaker 5: about quick sor okay? So please for love Wally Lewis
Speaker 5: and David Beckham.
Speaker 3: Right yeah, so I grew up.
Speaker 2: I love David Beckham. So what about my wife? I
Speaker 2: was a Manchester United fan, but it was when he
Speaker 2: kicked so I was supporting him when he kicked the
Speaker 2: boot ned Fergie in the head.
Speaker 3: And got rid of him, right yep.
Speaker 2: So I said that's it. I'll never support Arsenal again,
Speaker 2: Man United again. I jumped off. I went to holiday
Speaker 2: in New Zealand for my wife and my Matees always
Speaker 2: give me a stick about this because you shouldn't change teams teams,
Speaker 2: but because he got rid of Beckham, I said, I
Speaker 2: can't support man United more. I was watching the TV
Speaker 2: one night with my wife in New Zealand watching a game.
Speaker 2: It was Arsenal v Southampton. Arsenal played the best football
Speaker 2: I've ever seen, and I've been an Arsenal sport ever since.
Speaker 2: That's my story.
Speaker 3: So all that a young bird.
Speaker 2: Robert Perere, Roberto Perez.
Speaker 3: Have you read the story of Arsvega his life. What
Speaker 3: happened that was the most remarkable heart full of heartbreak
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Absolutely some stuff he grew up
Speaker 3: like right on a German border and things happened to
Speaker 3: his dad in World War two and that to bring
Speaker 3: it down.
Speaker 2: To Beckham story, I loved Becks, So I'm going to
Speaker 2: bid seven dollars for Becks.
Speaker 1: He's got him, you can have him. Okay. So you've
Speaker 1: got three dollars remaining?
Speaker 2: How players got left?
Speaker 1: You've only got one spot left in your team? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have ten dollars left, dad, and there's two players remaining.
Speaker 1: Xenidad Zadan.
Speaker 3: What a play seven dollars? Okay?
Speaker 1: So that that rounds out your team?
Speaker 2: You can't he's done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you've got because you've got Dude Bellingham Brazilian Ronaldo.
Speaker 3: Because I was waiting for one bloke. I thought I
Speaker 3: had more money.
Speaker 1: So this means the last person goes to you. Ready,
Speaker 1: you've got Brent Reid. I was waiting for Maridona. I knew,
Speaker 1: I knew you were waiting.
Speaker 3: Why am I going to win that?
Speaker 2: Mate?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: They don't thank you so much?
Speaker 3: Mate?
Speaker 1: Fine, Well I know you've got to You've got to
Speaker 1: get off the three sixty and I'm always looking at
Speaker 1: the time for you.
Speaker 3: RE appreciate coming over mate, that's right. Pleasure enjoy working
Speaker 3: with your ring. Nice