WEBVTT - #93 | Brent Read | Journalism, Rugby League & Media Feuds 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.360 I mean Matthew a pretty special guest we've got on today. 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:07.520 No word we have we we don't get many. I'd 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:13.159 say handsy journos on but if we were no, I 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.040 said it right, it's that handsy, but this one is 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.360 the handsiest Brent Red. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.960 Yeah, well it's fantastic to be never thought that invited. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.840 Come, but have you been sitting by the phone, because 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.760 has been buzz has been on the family one. 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:36.839 That's right, talking about hands all a trish we had. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.239 We had Webby great many now living in barrel Robertson. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.880 Mate, be nice. 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.200 Often brings me from your sauna, mate with the fireplace raging. 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.040 Yes, all I've heard about that. I've heard about that 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.960 sauna spada spat more like a lax. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.440 I was just observing you before. The phone just always off? 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.440 Is that the life of a journal Just the blow 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:03.560 is constantly. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.959 Going sometimes yeah, some days it is. Yeah. Today it's 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.600 a busy day because on three sixty to night, so 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.200 trying to get stories for the show and stand stuff up. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.720 So yeah, the phone rings a bit, Yeah, because loves it? 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.399 Does she love it? And it's insane? Is it like 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:19.720 work hours? So from nine to five people are on 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.840 the ringing in there or you're getting calls at nine pm? 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.800 Yeah, sometimes, Yeah, it depends what you say about the roosters, 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.880 because nik Polotas rings you from anywhere in the world 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.280 at any air of the night. Really. Oh yeah, I 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:29.920 loves ith. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.840 What about like really, I talk to Webby last year, 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.360 last year Andrew Webster, and yeah, he Webby told me 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.320 that he said when he went on through sixty, he said, 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.720 literally like the first time he returned for ages and 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.880 you've got what it was like as far as what 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.120 happens when good night and he said the finish and 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.480 the moment he went off here, literally the phone, the 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.080 txts and the phone calls just started. They flooded in. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.840 It's amazing that people who watched that show, right, it's 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.320 the power that's shown and Buzz are spoken about it. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.680 You know, Buzz obviously had a Sunday column for two years, right, 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.200 but when he went on three sixty, he become a 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:03.920 bit of a cult figure, right. And that's what it's like. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.880 I mean, everyone's got because everything you say on there 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:11.359 becomes you know, it then gets put on Instagram, put 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.440 on social media, and they make stories out of it, 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:15.359 and it becomes. You know, I was talking to Peter 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.280 Bidell earlier. Actually Bomber was on Tuesday Night. We know Bomber, 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.440 he's a lunatic, right, and he ripped in the rolls 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.160 in Paramatta and he sent me and he made that, 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.680 he made it the silly mistake of going on Twitter 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.120 or x today, right, and Paramatta fans have just been 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:30.800 giving it to him. And I said, mate, don't go on. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:33.239 You've got to stay off Twitter, Like, don't go on 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.639 Twitter is the worst thing to go on after you've 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.160 said something like that on a Showload three sixty because 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:39.880 you just get hammerecked. 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.480 Because it's like walking into the worst pub and wondering 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.760 why your king hit. You know, you just stay out 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.320 of it because you know who what's they're waiting for you? 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.000 They talking about Bomber on Twitter. I know why he 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.840 gets hooked. I remember we're in Paris and so boys 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.640 in Paris. I saw Bomber the first day and you said, Matt, 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.920 you know, he Maddy, what are you doing? And I said, 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.200 me and James Magis we're doing swimming. And he goes, 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.280 oh right, he goes, I'm doing the boxing. He said, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:08.920 takes a little while for the boxing to sort of 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.760 heat up a little bit. And with the first day 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.120 he was there, basically everyone had left and it was 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.000 just he was about the only journal left. And it 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.080 was the last fight and it was the Italian female 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.880 box at the women's boxing against the Algerian transfighter. Oh yes, 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.120 and that and he was only one there. And he 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.640 went back he had the photo and posted it with 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.960 the photo and ran the story. I remember being in 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.200 the car with him and he goes, Maddie, this is 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:40.360 the hotels, Maddie, it's had twenty million views. Twenty million, Maddie, 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.440 it's nearly the population of Australia. May I kid you know. 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.000 Ten minutes later, Maddie is thirty five made. By the 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.160 time we got back to the hotel, had it hit 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:50.120 eighty million. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.000 I remember the story. The story was huge at the time. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.800 But he was he the one that broke that story. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.240 Yeah, that was his baby there because as mad said, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.280 Maddie said, he was only boke who hung around at 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.320 that time. And I think I might be right here, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.200 I might be wrong. I think Fairfax had gone on 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.440 or nine had gone on strike. Remember they went on strike. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.120 So Shamas was supposed to cover the boxing. But I 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:09.520 don't think he went because I think they were on 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:10.360 strike at the time. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.160 He had Webby went all the way over there because 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:13.720 remember we had a bit of drink the first day, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.320 we're having a beer and they went, well, it's official. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.600 Webby said, where we're on strike? He said, I'll just 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.400 go to Paris for a few days. I go in 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:23.200 England for few days. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.400 Was the strike? Was that the whole of nine pretty well? 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:25.760 Was that? 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:26.280 Was that about? 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:27.800 I think it was everyone there it was. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:29.760 And so they were over there they could just stay 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:30.680 on doing holidays. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.280 But there was a bit of but there's a bit 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.359 of bad blood as well, because what had happened, like 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.840 it's one thing about when we were over there, we're 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.200 all in the same hotel basically, well at least in 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.839 the same area, and what it calls caused a fair 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.479 bit of consternation. You can understand the written journals like 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.719 Sydney Herald journals, they were they were putting a really 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.480 dangerous rough area of Paris, way out of town. But 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:53.480 Carl and some of those were staying literally on the 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.480 shoves sake, and it was like there was which you 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.440 could under sension. It was was a bit. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.719 That's awfully French for a bit of a revolution. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:05.360 What feed them cake? 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.640 Was there obviously a lot of you guys over there 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.279 work within Fox Sports and what not. Was there a 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.200 bit of like a bonding night of sorts over there, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:12.919 like what sort. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.800 Of no we hung We had dinner with Crawls a 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.200 few times and we're still Crawley a few times. And 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.479 we obviously did the show with Maddie and James. We 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.599 did the night the nightly show you guys were doing. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.960 So it was a bit of crossover were we were 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:25.719 all in a good place. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:30.200 We're talking about we went to dinner with Crawls and 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.000 we're dining with Crawls all night, and that was not 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.800 We were sitting there in the bomb was there? The 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.640 bomber was like he was, Yes, were swimming in the 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.839 adulation of like May one hundred one hundred million. That's like, 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.880 you know, it's bigger than Germany. Anyway, he goes to me, 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.760 I said, Bomber, like, what lengths do you go sometimes 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:54.960 to a story? I said, you know, certain ways? He goes, yeah, right, anyway, 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.360 this is one of the best stories I've heard. So 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.560 a bloke could come went to Bomber and he could 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.400 you do a story on me. I've made Queensland state 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.279 of Origin coffins that if people want to get buried 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.400 in the state of Origin coffins, and Bomba went, oh, yeah, okay, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.640 and he said, mate, he seemed like a really good bloke, Maddie, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.320 and so I thought, right, but I need an angle. 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.719 So Bomber went to Wally and said to Wally, mate, well, 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.520 he just just a bit of a question Lewis made. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.960 If something happens and that you die tomorrow, what song 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.840 would you like to sort of go out to you? 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:28.600 Reckon anyway? 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.160 I don't know, a strange one. I don't know. Maybe 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.960 Frank Sinatra's my way. The next day, back page of 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.440 the paper, King plans mighty funeral and had the coffin 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.880 next to it and then underneath the bioline. But he's 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:42.160 going nowhere just yet. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:47.599 He's the best. I mean like he's the best since 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.200 with Buzz out of the equation, he's the best. He's 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:56.599 rabid about. He's obsessed with yarns. Most of us, most 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.200 of us love a good yarn. Bomber is obsessed with them. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:05.000 Yeah, I really enjoy his company, a great really enjoys it. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.640 Know he runs marathon. You know he's the fittest blake. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.920 We read a marathon the other day in two forty 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:11.480 eight or something. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:12.560 What's a marathon forty five? 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:18.560 Remember he broke into members, he ran the marathon, the 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.240 Olympic Marathon. He actually like snuck under and read it. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:23.640 He flashed his media accreditation. 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:24.640 He just jumped. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.880 Was he just wearing like a suit and tie? 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.080 Just waved wait there it is and then joined it 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:32.160 and ran the Olympic. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.679 Marathon with a machine. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:34.440 What an animal. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.720 When you talk about stories and the links people go 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.080 to get stories, I was I often think this about 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.880 you know when you read some stories in the in 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:47.200 the paper, Like do some journals write a story with 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.080 the intent knowing that it might not be even right, 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.840 but like the intent is to just rage bait people 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.160 like you know what I mean by that, Like just 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.440 the intent to almost to get their eye balls on 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.360 it because they know it's going to piece everyone else. 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.120 No, I don't think you write it knowing it's not right. 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.760 You might write an opinion piece that you don't necessarily 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.320 but not one hundred convent percent convinced by right, But 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.040 you might write it knowing it's going to cause debate, right, 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.040 But you wouldn't write something knowingly wrong. What you would 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:25.280 write is something you know that you know is going 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.480 to create debate. You might be one hundred percent convinced by, 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.040 but you know it's going to cause a storm or 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.480 cause a debate or create traction. That's why you were. 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.760 Doing more like you know, like on radio where you'll 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.439 hear a topic come up and one of one of 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.600 the hosts wls say well, I'll take this side, yes, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.080 and that, like, well you do that. They might not 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.640 necessarily believe the opinion that they're actually giving, but they 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.000 know they need to take one of the sides because 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.360 like it's going to get the most traction. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.640 Well, I think you'd be Look, you might be one 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.839 hundred percent convinced, boil, and I don't think you debate 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.800 something you completely disagree with, Yeah, but something that you're 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.599 on the fence with, maybe even more to take the 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.000 side of the c's the most debating. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.160 We all do that Bomba strikes me. I love it. 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.640 On three sixty on Tuesday when he asked Patty Carrion 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.319 and he said, Pardycadeger and oh, you know a lot 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.040 of the you know, with P and G in Perth 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.160 and everyone coming in. You know, I'd love to know 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.200 what you're gonna do with your next contract, Like you've 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:17.880 got another year, what are you going to do. It'd 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.520 be silly if you're not to look at like a 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.439 different club to with your value as a captain and 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.600 a leader. And he just goes, yeah, by my, I'd 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.680 really love it if you stopped asking me about clearly 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.000 he's just been a Broncos train. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.320 Just ask him his agent. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.600 But I remember when we brought him the Goldcast Titans, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.079 like I rang Bomber straight away and said the bomba, 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.320 can we catch up? I want you to tell me, 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.679 in your opinion from the media side of things, what's 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.000 the matter with the club? And he was more than 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:45.400 happy to. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.640 You know, well, the club didn't have great media relations 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.720 obviously through the Desira. You know, Deser obviously been we 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.040 all know what is log is a great, great character 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:58.080 in the game, but not a great does didn't have 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:03.400 great media relations outside probably Bulldog right. So on the 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.800 Gold Coast in particular, he'd circled the wagons, he locked 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:11.040 them out, and media sessions trained changed times on a whim. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.079 So it was really difficult. Travy mains the Gold coaster board. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.000 It was really difficult for Travy in that situation. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.360 To Traviy yesterday. And that's it. Like, you know, I 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:23.120 think sometimes one thing I discovered a little bit with 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.760 the Titans at times, and people that say I made 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.360 this both does like us because you wrote this story, 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.400 and you go, yeah, but you've got to consider sometimes 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.400 if the story is true, you know what I mean, 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.320 taking that on board, and you can't always want glorious 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.720 front page articles, you know. And you know, at the 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.160 end of the day, sometimes my think within reasons, as 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.480 long as you're writing about you. Yeah, you know, that's the. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.560 Thing matter I reckon. The worst thing you can have 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.920 us for no one to care. Yeah right, I mean, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.080 you know, the Broncos wins at the moment about the 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.640 coverage they're getting, in the coverage matches getting. But you 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.320 know what, they're a massive club. People care about them. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.560 You look at we see everything now, we see how 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.440 many clicks every story gets. The Broncos get so many eyeballs. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.720 There's such a big club that when things are going great, 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.400 it's a blown out of proportion. When things are going bad, 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.680 it's blown out of proportion. The worst thing to beers 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.920 in the middle where no one really cares well. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.160 It only increase the value of the club exactly. Like 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.280 It's like players, you know, even when people start investing 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.079 in players, you know, relationships like I look at Nathan 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.560 and Mary foul like when people start investing in people 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:32.560 off field as well like that, but that was a brand. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.360 That was a brand like it increases their personality and 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:38.400 their value so much. 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.240 Back on the point you made before, one of the 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:45.000 things that really does my head in is that players 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.439 who retire go into the media and then wing you 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.520 about the media. And you get a lot of that 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.000 people and even if they might be podcasters whatever, they 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.280 wing about the media you but hang on, guys, just 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.280 just take a step back here. Are you not in 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.360 the media or are you just pretending to me in 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.840 the media, because you know, I write articles in that 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.120 so you know, and I've always written marin articles that 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.400 don't have under go because I want to be known. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.720 It's been able to be a journalists, been able to 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.840 write and it just it just does my head in. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:13.959 And particularly when people get there and they go, oh, 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.679 they don't trust the mainstream media, and so Okay, so 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:21.120 don't trust the mainstream media. So you're trusting some fucking 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.240 idiot on Twitter because that what you're supposed to do. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:24.800 But the other thing is a lot of the time 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.199 those guys are reacting to stories that are in the media. 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.719 They're talking about stories that are in the media. I mean, 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.920 podcasts don't generally break the news. The media breaks the news. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.080 They react to the news, actly right, So they need us, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.480 That's the bit. I think a lot of them lose 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.320 sight of without us guys making the calls and putting 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.800 the time and having our phone on at nine ten 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.800 o'clock at night and receipt and answering those phone calls, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.920 what are they talking about? Yeah, you know in many 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:54.120 of those cases, So you know, I think they forget that. Yeah. 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.720 Really, we're going to sort of talk about this later, 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:01.240 but we're cooking along here now. I imagine how much 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.480 since you first come into journalism, how much the landscape 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.760 has changed. It's just mind blowing the electronic media and 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.440 how it's changing, but also really how the media has 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.000 become in a lot of ways homogenized. Like an example 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:17.920 I use is like the best example as far as 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.720 written media is news and Fairfax, Like you'red a situation 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.920 where you and Danny are on podcasts together, or it 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:27.800 could be Danny and Adam Pangelli now their rival Sunday columns. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.240 Like twenty years ago, if you just told me that 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.680 Danny and Buzz were doing together, there is no way 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.160 in the world that would happen. 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.559 No, you have to separate them. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.480 like I try to avoid that because I don't necessarily 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.880 think it's a great look for me. Like I know 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.280 Buzz didn't look towards the end, and Buzz didn't go 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.600 on the podcast with Danny, and I don't. I don't 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.800 necessarily think I don't like doing it either. I've said 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:53.760 the triple. I'm prefer not to do that just because 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.880 I just I'm a bit like you, Maddie. I just 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.400 don't think. I like Danny is a good fellow, right, 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.280 I get on with Danny, but it's just I think 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.440 it's a great look for us to be on there 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.480 with him. I prefer not to do it, right, So. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.800 It's yeah, it's a funny one ready, like you know 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.680 as far like I worked for years before with you know, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:16.559 with you know and other avenues and work with and 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.560 you know, there are people in that organization be bluing 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.760 with somebody, and they naturally then assume they want you 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.360 to take on their battles. You know what I mean. 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.520 You can't like him because of that, you know. And 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.800 you know, occasionally Denny writes things about me. But one 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.360 thing I always maintain, which I'll never forget. Everyone talks 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.160 about pick and stick, right, and but very few follow it. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:36.880 People tell you I pick and stick all the time, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.760 and I listen to some people and they fucking don't 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.960 you know. One thing I'll say about Danny in a 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.480 really difficult part of my life, he was best about 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.400 the only bloke who's in my corner. And you can write, 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.200 you know, he's written things about me that I haven't 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.760 necessary like, but I haven't forgotten that, and I think 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.000 sometimes you've got to have that balance, like and again, 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.080 if I go back to playing days, you know, or 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.240 when you're dealing with players, it's amazing. And I've had 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.240 calls though this already where you can write someth you know, 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.160 you say something really flattering about a player, and then 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.160 all of a sudden, about the eighth time you write 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.400 about and you have a criticism about their ball playing 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.960 or something, and I know it gets the reaction. They'll 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:12.600 ring and go mate fucking. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.160 That's one of the great frustrations about the journey, right, 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.800 you can write one hundred positive stories about a club 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.680 or a player, but they remember the one negative one. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.880 The club and the player focus on the one negative 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:23.880 one that drives you insane. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.720 It's probably the only one they properly read. Like people. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:28.880 That's like people going through their comments and they only 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.920 see the hate ones. But like even player, even and 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.360 I've been a player, so I know it, like I 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.760 know that same feeling of when it's like you see 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.440 a negative story in there, someone criticizes playing a bad game, 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.760 and I played a few of them read out. 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.200 I don't think you ever received any criticism, but. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.320 It's probably not until you come out of it. And 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.440 then like even the boy, some of my mates now 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.320 who play, or they'll be like, oh, you know, blodody 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.520 this this fellow said this about me. What you know, 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.440 what's he got to like? What right has he got 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:56.280 to say that about me? 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:56.640 And this? 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.880 And that I'd rather I'd rather be constructive criticism. But 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.840 then like some players take it well, some players take 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.360 the constructive side well, but even some they just don't 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.280 like to hear any negative about themselves, you know what 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:10.880 I mean, even if it is constructive in a way, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:12.640 it's like, you know, I think it needs to be 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.760 doing this better. Some some people just hate negative feedback. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.760 Coaches are the worst. I wrote one which I thought 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.200 was totally fair on a coach and a bit of 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.160 ten years ago anyway, raining and I'm just saying something, dude, 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:33.480 and he goes, he goes fuck it. I went, oh, yeah, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.600 is this and he goes so and so, and I oh, yeah, 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.920 what's going on. I may read your article. You're fucking 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.680 you full of shit? I said, okay, I said, just 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.000 tell me what you didn't think was right now. It 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.560 wasn't an article about being Saturay. It was an article 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.520 about how they were playing. And he's fucking that. And 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.960 I said, listen, mate, look, I said, do yourself a favor. 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.160 Go back and read the fucking article again. There's six 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.560 hundred words of free advice and fuck off. 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.920 What a similar thing with Trent Robinson I was. I 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.399 wouldn't say I was close to the robover and I 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.359 had a great relationship with Robbo for a long time, 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.080 to the point where when he'd done ten years at 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.360 the Rousters. We wrote a story me and was meek 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.960 or Dave carrounsel Da Vigue did a two part series 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.840 on Robbo and how he was the greatest coach the Rusters. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.600 The Roosters had celebrating his ten years the Rooster's right 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:26.960 and at that point, I can't remember when it was 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:28.879 during the year, I was doing my Saturday column and 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.560 I had a line in it where it was when 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.520 the lodge stuff was going on and things weren't the 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.800 Roosters weren't going great, and I'd had a line in 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.119 it where I said, basically, there's rumors some players are 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:42.800 off each other and some players were off the coach. 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.840 And Robbo saw that and took that as I was saying, 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.440 he'd lost the dressing room and my relationship with him 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:54.000 after a decade of basically sharing praise on the guy 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.080 completely brushed. I sent him a text. I tried to 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.520 ring him. I sent him a text message and look 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.480 to me like that, I look back at that now 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.480 and I don't I don't. Look. I probably shouldn't have 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.640 written the story, right. I acknowledge that, and I said 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.720 it to Robi. I said mate, I probably shouldn't done it, right, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.160 But I look back at now, I think for teen 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.320 years I was like we were we were great, and 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.879 I was glowing in my praise of him, and in 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.280 one moment you got rid of that. You kicked that 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.680