WEBVTT - Paul Muray Live | 28 May 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:05.160 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray. 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:08.959 Live Wednesday Night. Yeah, the end of hump Day. 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:11.040 We're on our way towards the weekend, but there's plenty 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.320 of work to be done between now and then, including 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.480 a great conversation with the most fine up lady in 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.759 the world. She is exclusive to this program on a 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.600 Wednesday Night, the wonderful Megan Kelly, who found it rather 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.800 funny that the real estate agents of the Gold Coast 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.160 got together and paid Kamala Harris money to hear her 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:29.280 speak on the weekend. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.840 I should be offended that I wasn't invited first. I'm 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.600 much bigger in Australia than Kamala Harris's. Where at my invitation? Realtors? 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:41.320 All right? Today the new opposition leader has announced their 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.400 plan and number of people for the Shadow Ministry, and 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.080 Susan lay will be on this program in the next 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.200 couple of minutes to go through some of the decisions, 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.800 to talk about the big task that is ahead, and 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.960 a little of her personal story as well. I'm please 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:55.240 that we're going to have a chance to talk to 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.120 her about these things. Now, let's go through what you 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.880 all know to be the case. Some people, some people 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.400 down Now. Obviously, renewal absolutely front and center. Reality is 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.039 up to two election losses. Many of the people who 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.240 were at the very front end of those two election 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:15.119 losses are being moved aside or down. Reality of politics, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:19.319 reality of professional sport, reality of media, reality of every 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.400 business is that not everyone gets a promotion. Sometimes just 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.399 staying in the game is the promotion. Sometimes people move sidewards, 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:31.000 and yes, some people are punished for performance or a 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.319 whole bunch of other personal reasons and they start to 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:38.000 move backwards. The difference between professional sport or the real 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.920 world is that in politics, we know how long this 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.040 is going to go. For there's a three year term, 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.560 some people will move further up, some people will be 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.440 pulled back, and some people will come in from the cold. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:54.520 That is the reality. But obviously, after losing thirty seats 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.840 in the past two elections, there are people who needed 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.360 to come towards the front. Some of those people who 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.640 are being brought towards the front. As you can see here, 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.280 Tad O'Brien is the deputy Liberal leader, gets to pick 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:06.920 whatever he wants to do, and he has chosen that 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.880 he's going to be the shadow treasurer really important. Focus 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.480 on small business is going to be where Tim Wilson 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.880 is going to be. Dave Sharma is there when it 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.120 comes to the money as well, A big brain fella, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.359 James McGrath. He's going to move to urban infrastructure. Michaulia 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:26.360 Cash becomes Foreign Affairs James Patterson. Remember he was the 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.359 Home Affairs guy, so he's had immigration, national security. Now 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.480 he starts to broaden himself out and he is a 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:36.799 spectacular performer both in the Parliament, in Senate estimates and 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.280 on television. So him and the Finance portfolio really important. Yes, 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.160 people have been dudded. Jane him essentially out the back door. 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.880 Will she come back, Well, it'll be up to other 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.600 people to make mistakes and her to impress that it 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.320 is time for her to return. Sarah Henderson goes from 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.440 education out the back door. Michael McCormick, Barnaby Joyce both 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.240 former Deputy prime ministers. Now remember that in part is 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.919 a decision by the National Party as to who they 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:06.520 put forward, and then Susan Lee makes her decisions about 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.280 who serves. But let's not pretend there aren't going to 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.760 be some noses out a joint. But again the same 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.840 team that's been playing for a long period of time, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.600 both in government from twenty thirteen and then the elections 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.920 of sixteen, nineteen, twenty two and twenty five. Yep, some 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:22.560 people are going to move forward, some people are going 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.880 to move back. And I think all of these people 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.359 are good people. So there's nothing personal about this. A 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.400 lot of people want to talk about your Cindernampa Jupa 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:34.079 Price really important that she of course maintains the shadow ministry. No, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:35.840 she is not in the shadow cabinet. I know that, 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.600 Ruffle Sum. I'll let Susan Lay explain in a moment 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.320 or two time why the decision has been made. But 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:43.880 people that are her supporters are openly saying that it's 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.920 about trying to broaden out the things that she's going 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.240 to be focused on. Angus Taylor foreign affairs, he's of 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.880 course the chief leadership rival, perhaps setting him overseas as 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.320 a way to keep him busy. And Dan teen well, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.480 he moves into new positions as well. This, in part 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.320 is what Susan Lee had to say her new team today. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:07.520 Our team is one of strivers and optimists, of leaders 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:13.080 and listeners. The new coalition shadow ministry balances experience with 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:18.120 new talent. It reflects the full range of our philosophical traditions, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:23.600 values and perspectives across our two great party rooms. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.080 Now, as always when you are handing out such prizes, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.440 there are not enough prizes for enough people that are there. 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:32.520 If the coalition had not reformed, then there might have 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.520 been almost prizes for every single person from the back 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.279 bench all the way through to the deputy leader. But 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.240 also what seems very obvious, apart from pulling some new 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.839 faces towards the front, people like Angie Bell, great politician 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:49.360 in and around the southeast of Queensland. People like Melissa Macintosh. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.640 She's been able to hold on to the western Sydney 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.800 seat of Lindsay, regardless of whether they were the lives 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.440 were in government or opposition, or even going further back 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.880 as they did at the last election. She's going to 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.120 be an interesting fighter. You've also got a balance, not 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.279 just male female, not just left right, not just state 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.920 here and there. But also remember that one of the 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.960 roles of a shadow minister is to be the person 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:18.039 asking questions of the minister. So say, for example, the 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:23.320 Minister for Communications, well they are in the Lower House, 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.800 the person asking questions of them. You would ideally like 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.400 to have them in the lower House, the same as 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:33.400 Foreign Affairs Penny Wong upper House. Hence why Mikaylia cash 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.160 as what I think is a continuing of her as 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.000 the leader of the Senate for the Opposition, She of 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.279 course takes on Pennywong there. So there seems to have 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.280 been in all of the different balancing acts an attempt 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:50.880 to bring new Yes, some older faces move back, some 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.880 people move sidewards, but you're also trying to match up. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.760 And I've got to say one thing in particular that 0:05:55.800 --> 0:06:00.440 I'm really looking forward to my questions like Angus Taylor 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:06.400 in Defense asking questions of the Deputy Prime Minister. I'm 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.960 looking forward to Andrew Hasty in Home Affairs asking questions 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.159 directly of Tony Burke. You see how these things all 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.119 start to line up. That's part of the decision making. Again, 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.400 will this be the team that will be there in 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.679 three years going to an election? Probably not, Why because 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.080 that's always the case. Is it the team that will 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.840 be automatically and at some point into the future ministers 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.320 in all of these portfolios, Well, logically not given the 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.599 position that the party is in. But is it more 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.040 than a liquor paint. Is it an attempt to put 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:42.760 new faces and to move to the next generation of people. Yeah, obviously, 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.520 and sometimes that can be a screaming heap because yep, 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.760 all of these people are in experience. The government turns 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.599 around and essentially points at an inexperienced opposition and drives 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.159 that home as a reason why you have to re 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:58.159 elect a government. But as Paul Ericson said, and this 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.360 is really important, whether you like this or not, my 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.040 job's not just to tell you the stuff that you like, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.120 but to tell you the stuff that obviously the other 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.479 people are telling us is what they believe to be 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.920 their worldview. The Labour Party boss Paul Erickson now, he 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:13.920 said that one of the ways they were able to 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:18.000 particularly go after Peter Dutton and many of the people 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.800 who were in the key positions in the coalition at 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.520 this last election, and yes, many of those were gross 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.520 distortions or just outright lies, was that they had polling, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.120 constant polling for the past three years about what were 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.960 people's perceptions of the previous government and what were people's 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.520 perceptions of their performance in the previous government. And given 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.080 that that government had not just lost, but lost handsomely, 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.760 and then the remnants of that government lost again handsomely 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.200 at this last election. Part of the logic about the 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.920 renewal here again, like it, dislike it, Susan lay in 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.240 a moment, We'll ask the questions and you can be 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.880 convinced or otherwise by her answers. But to give her 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.240 an opportunity to explain these decisions rather than them to 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.040 be explained or judged for you, I think is a 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.720 good thing, especially when somebody is at the start of 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.720 their leadership journey. Again, I've said all the way through 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.400 when there are big clangers, I'll call them out. But 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.760 I don't see the big clangers in all of this. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.160 But when I talk about that renewal, I want to 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.720 point your attention to the New South Wales Labor Party. Now, 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.600 when Christina Kanneely was wiped from office, this was a 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.040 scandal riddle government that the Liberal Party for four and 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.560 almost eight years was able to point to as you 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.280 wouldn't want to go back to that. You wouldn't want 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.640 to go back to that. So when Chris Mins was 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.880 putting together his shadow cabinet, and yes they were talking 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:38.480 about a fourth term, not a third term in office. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.040 From memory, there was just one or two members of 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.520 the entire shadow cabinet that were even MP's in the 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.959 Kanneli government that had been blown away. So we've seen 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:53.760 how brutal and effective the weaponization of lies about a 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:57.080 politician's past can be when it comes to the Labor Party. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.080 And obviously you don't make a decisions that are just 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.760 about fear of the Labor Party, but you want to 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.080 take as many angles of attack off the table for 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.760 you to be able to reset, reintroduce yourself and get 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.640 the attention back onto a government. It's set up to 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.560 a government about how many times it drops the ball? 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.520 And when it drops the ball? Do you have a 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.320 shadow minister who can ask question after question, day after 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.800 day to put somebody on the ropes. Perfect example about this, 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.200 Tim Wilson in part is going to have responsibility for 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.160 small business. Do you know who has responsibility for small 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:32.920 business in the government. It's an l now, yes, sir, 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:37.440 former childcare minister, but essentially a person whose main role 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.120 was sitting behind the Prime minister and rolling her eyes 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.720 and acting like everything that she'd said was either everything 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.680 the Prime minister or a minister had said was the 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.800 most shocking or funniest thing she'd ever seen. Well, she 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.080 of course now has responsibility for small business. I can't 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.760 wait to see Tim Wilson versus ANL. Don't you think 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.559 that NL is going to be the one double checking 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.480 her notes rather than Tim Wilson, who, of course very 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.000 success was part of putting on the agenda of the 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.320 twenty nineteen election, things like frankin credits. So it's all 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.040 about the contest, not just in presentation, not just in ideas, 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.440 but also with an eye to the future. So yes, 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.160 big benefit of the doubt will be given by this 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.560 program to make sure that there is not a repeat 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.240 of the last two elections. Now can there be? You 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.680 bet you? Numerically, if you have any seats in the parliament, 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.840 you can end up with no seats in the parliament. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.240 But obviously, what's the definition of insanity to keep doing 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.800 the same thing and expect a different result. Now, I 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.840 want the focus to be on the bad government. I 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.280 want the shadow ministers to be the ones that can 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.880 prosecute that argument. Not for our amusement here, but for 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.920 the wider public and wider media to be able to see. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.280 I want people who may well have voted for the 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.440 Liberal Party and turned away from the Liberal Party to 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.120 re engage with it as an option into the future 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:56.840 because of the people that are being put in front 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.400 of them. That's all I'm playing here. That's all of 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.600 the above the water and below the water currents of 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.240 my attitude to this opposition and the decisions that are 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.480 made in the next little while. All right, We're also 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.000 going to have people on the show tonight who have 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.080 been promoted demoted. How do you deal with it? What happens, 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:15.920 How do you make sure that it doesn't just become 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.560 a festering saw. How do you work your way from 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.000 out in the cold right back into the center of government. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.280 We've got people who have lived that experience and they 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.960 will join us a little later in the meantime. Susan 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.480 Laigh in just a couple of minutes here on Palmurray 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.880 Life to explain the decisions to you, not me, to 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:36.520 you about her choices when it comes to the Shadow Cabinet. Now, 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.640 remember we used to say that bank bashing was an 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.440 Australian sport. It was like an unofficial sport for everyone 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.280 to winge about banks and their profits and how much 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.280 this and how little that, and so much so that, 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.680 of course there was eventually a Royal commission, of which 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.200 not many recommendations were of actually put in place, and 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.680 nobody ever followed up. But everyone still remains wedded to 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.400 the banks probably that you either had your kid account 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.240 in or the one that you got your homeland. We 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.720 don't move around lot when it comes to banks. But 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.480 there is a new national sport that I think is 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.320 going to be threatening bank bashing as our new national sport, 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:14.240 and it is intergenerational bashing. Now. We have seen this 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.880 in politics, we see this in social media, we see 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.000 this in social commentary about the amount of winging that 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.319 goes on. We're say, for example, the millennials, well, they 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.280 want to have a crack at the boomers. The boomers 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.920 want to have a crack at Generation Z. The older 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.800 builders will they think Gen X is a little too loose, 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.760 and obviously Generation OW for too young to vote right now. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.480 But they're going through a very radical school system right now. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.800 And I'm pretty sure those born in twenty twenty five 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.080 don't have a political opinion yet. But this happens all 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:49.480 the time to me. You can watch news programs, current 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.320 affairs shows, you can read opinion pieces on those websites, 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.920 or you can listen to podcasts, and so often this generation, 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.240 that generation who had it better, who had it tougher, 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.440 all of it stuff. We used to joke about this 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.720 stuff in generations previous, where you know, you'd always joke 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.600 about your parents or your grandparents telling stories about, oh, 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.560 you think it's tough to walk to school, Why I 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.360 had to walk up a hill and down a hill 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.200 and pass the crocodiles and with bare feet while I 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.680 was dragging cement block. It used to be a joke 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:22.120 about how the generations used to interact. But now it 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.880 is being weaponized by what I think, you're pretty bad actors, 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.640 people who don't want the country to get along instead, 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.839 people who believe that anyone who disagrees with them should 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.959 either shut up and disappear or fall off the perch, 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.199 and then they get what they want. That's not healthy 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:42.560 for a country. Perfect example of this is the housing debate. Now, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.640 obviously you know that there'll be a group of people 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.840 who'll say you're winging now about how expensive a unit is. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.120 Where we had seventeen percent interest rates before that, you 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.640 know you weren't able to get a bank depositive five 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.640 percent you needed twenty percent up front. Everyone's got this story, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.600 and property is difficult to get whether this generation has 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.800 it slightly better than that or this one had it 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.960 slightly worse. Again, everyone has their own perspectives, and like statistics, 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.319 they can be brought up by lots of different people 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.320 trying to make lots of different points. Now, often, one 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.040 of the reasons that you see the difficulty of housing 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.000 affordability appearing in the media as regularly as it is 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.800 is not because it's not an issue. It is an issue. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.080 But let's also be honest that many of the people 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.800 who are writing the articles are the very people who 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.880 are in the middle of the struggle to be able 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.360 to buy a home. So therefore it becomes the number 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.840 one issue that they are interested in, and when you 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.400 publish it online, regardless of what publication I'm showing you here, 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.920 lots of people are interested, lots of cliques, and as 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.320 we know, the more the cliques, the more the repeat business. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.280 Here are some young people again talking about their difficulties 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.680 right now when it comes to buying homes. Again, I'm 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:50.840 not pretending it's not hard. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:53.560 Do you think you'll be able to afford a home 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.760 within the next ten years. Absolutely not no, no, no, 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:01.480 at not's you're at all very crazy, sir, No, probably not. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.520 I really doubt I'll be able to afford a house. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:05.920 And then there's the clap back like this one I 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.080 think from news dot com dot Au about a dad 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.240 who had a post basically telling everyone, look, you know, 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.600 if you want you want the fancy lifestyle, you want 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.400 the new car, you want the new everything, Well guess 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.040 what you're not going to save you post it on 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.240 socials and that causes a whole thing. And then another 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:23.000 version of the people who have weaponized youth to believe 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.240 that every generation other than theirs is killing the planet 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.640 when it comes to climate change. Does you also find 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:34.480 it interesting that, despite the existential threat, that those monthly 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.760 protests have not happened since the government stopped being liberal. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.120 And then, of course there is the people who like 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:47.600 to push back against those who are full of hypocrisy 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.320 when it comes to arguments about climate like the boss 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.480 of Woodside, dutifully reported by the Turnbull Times with dripping 0:15:54.520 --> 0:16:00.000 sarcasm in their headlines. The boss of Australia's gas giant Woodside, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.720 Mego Nail, has attacked young people who take an ideological 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:07.360 stand against fossil fuels, suggesting they are hypocrites. Why because 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.040 you can't just hit a switch and expect the lights 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.600 to come on. Why, well, obviously you need to make 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.520 sure that there is things like gas that are part 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.120 of that picture. As she turned around and said, as 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.600 she's referred to people being happy to buy fast fashion 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.640 on things like Timu which are carbon intensive, while simultaneously 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:30.800 blowing up about carbon emissions of a Western Australian fossil 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:35.920 fuel plant. So the human impact and the consumer's role 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.080 in driving energy demand and emissions is absolutely missing in 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.040 the space in this conversation. Well, well, well there had 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:46.680 to be pushed back and intergenerational fighting, didn't they, Because 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.440 despite the fact that yeah, mego, Neil's got a point, 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.520 which is the people who want all of the advantages 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.120 of the modern world, all of people who do not 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.640 care that China produces more emissions than we do, need 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.520 to understand. There was only so much STRAIGHTI can do, 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.040 but bang one of the go to people at the moment, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.639 a person who has already announced that their own candidacy 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.880 to try to be a teal in the Senate at 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.399 the next federal election. Well, of course, straight into the 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.680 turbul times there. As the twenty six year old and 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.800 a member of Generation the I am proud to say 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.880 that I have never made a purchase from fast fashioned stoughts. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.920 This was her pushback. See Meg O'Nell's point is absolutely incorrect, 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:32.639 because my personal circumstances do not recognize hers. Acknowledging this 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.760 flaw is important. We should all be striving to make 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.600 environmentally friendless choices. However, pointing out that this is a 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.199 prime example of a straw ban argument is a more 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:45.040 pressing point. The blatant scapegoating of young people while directly 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.359 destroying our climate, and on and on and on and 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:51.280 on and on and on and on. Now, of course, 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.399 the point is, if you are absolutely serious about pulling 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.520 back on emissions, you do every single thing in your 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.240 life to pull back on those emissions, unless, of course, 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.240 you have to give a speed each somewhere, and I'm 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.680 pretty sure that you didn't ride your bike to get 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.800 to that. Any conversation about this is well, of course, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:08.840 you know I can solve the world, but I'm not 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:09.960 responsible for its problems. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.960 And that's true too, and very obviously a fossil fuel 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:18.040 company clearly creates more carbon dioxide emissions than any one individual, 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:23.040 no question. But again, something about this intergenerational debate that 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.240 sometimes needs a little bit of water port on it. 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.280 Are the bigger picture, and the bigger picture is for 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.919 those who want to clap back at the evil fossil 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.080 fuels people, or perhaps even the fossil fuels people, trying 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:36.720 to pretend that it's the people clapping back that are 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:37.400 the problem. 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.359 China is the problem. How many times we have to 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:42.800 show you this. This, by the way, is not some 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.320 right wing group. This is the Union of Concerned Scientists. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.680 The numbers are from twenty twenty, but they say it's 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.080 pretty similar to the picture right now. China more than 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.560 thirty percent, the rest of the world twenty percent. That 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.719 means we're at six o'clock on the climate clock and 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.080 all of those people are polluting more than we are. 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.400 You add the United States, Russia and India, you get 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.640 to forty five minutes past the climate clock. Australia one 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:08.080 percent of the problem. So even if we do everything 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.320 the Guardian wants, or we do everything the fossil fuel companies, 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.800 what get what? Guess what China will replace what we save. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.640 You can't hide. Sixteen days of emissions is what they 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.160 can produce, and that wipes out everything we do in 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.040 one year. So it's great that everyone wants to blow 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.080 up at things like a fossil fuel company in Australia. 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.400 If you choose to do so, fine, But if you're 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.280 actually fared, it can deep in your bones fired up 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.080 about the existential threat to the planet that is climate change. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.960 There is a joint called the Chinese Embassy. There is 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.440 a joint choice called the Chinese Consulate in a city 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.560 near you. Feel free to go and march and have 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.320 a protest there, But of course it is interested in 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.879 that because it's not as easy as being able to 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:55.000 pretend that everything is someone else's fault. Well, if you 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:59.960 actually want to blame a repeat China, Third World, United States, India, Russia. 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:05.040 Forty five minutes of the climate clock, And just one 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.080 last point, if I could make a little cultural reference 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.359 The Simpsons, of course, is very key to me as 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.640 a gen XA of being able to explain the world 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.000 both before I was here and give us an insight 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.679 into the world after I was young, and it was 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.760 at the front and center regardless of what part of 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.560 the generation span you sit on, which part of the 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:28.720 intergenerational war you wish to fight. There is one rule 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.760 that you cannot avoid. And Grandpa Simpson puts it right 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:33.679 when he says. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.040 What the hell are you two doing? That's cold rocking out? 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.080 You wouldn't and it's dan, Dad, you're not with it. 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.720 I used to be with it, but then they changed 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.080 what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it? And 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.679