1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, March thirty one, twenty twenty six. Step away 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: from the Jerry Can. The government says there's plenty of fuel, 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: but it's going to make it much cheaper starting Wednesday 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: by harving the fuel excise and cutting road user charges. 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers says it's timely, temporary and responsible. But it 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: puts a giant hole in the budget. So why aren't 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: they rationing fuel, Why did it take so long to 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: get here? 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: And will it work? 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: Jeff Chambers is here in just a moment. 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 3: We're making fuel cheaper today because we understand that Australians 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: are under serious pressure. 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 4: Will reduce the cost of a sixty five liter tank 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 4: five out nineteen dollars. 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: Our government will reduce the heavy vehicle due to charge 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: to zero for three months to help trucks continue their 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 3: vital work for our nation. 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 4: It is timely, it is temporary, and it is responsible. 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: We are asking people to buy as much fuel as 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: they need, as much fuel as they usually get, not more, 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 3: not less. 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 4: The cost of what we are announcing today is two 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 4: point five five billion dollars another fifty three million dollars. 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: Jeff Chambers is The Australian's political editor. Jeff On Monday, 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister announced it pretty sweeping changes to the 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: way fuel is priced in Australia. First of all, are 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: you going to rush out and fill it? 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 4: You can't. 30 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 5: Well, I think there's a fair few people that will 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 5: probably wait until Wednesday when this very populous fuel exercise 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 5: cut kicks in. There'll probably be a few jerry cans 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 5: and some big traffic jams getting into the surveys. Look, 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 5: the fuel excise decision is another bit of evidence that 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 5: when this Albanezi government is under pressure, it goes to 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 5: the checkbook, the taxpayer funded checkbook, and it spends its 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 5: way out of a problem. We saw on Saturday the 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 5: Prime Minister and Chris Bowen, who's been under a lot 39 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 5: of pressure, say that they're going to underwrite more supply 40 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 5: coming into the country. So what does that mean. We 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 5: don't know how much it's going to cost, but with 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 5: the oil price the way it is, there is supply 43 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 5: out there, there are ships with oil on it and 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 5: the government will probably hide behind commercial and confidence, but 45 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 5: it will cost tens of millions of dollars to underwrite 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 5: petrol coming in, so they hope that that will sort 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 5: out the supply issue. We're already underwriting fuel refineries. There's 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 5: only a couple left in this country. They wouldn't be 49 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 5: open without taxpayer funded subsidies. And now we're having to 50 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 5: subsidize the price of petrol. And we've seen some that 51 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 5: will say that Angus Taylor on Friday has basically given. 52 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: A green light for the government to move this way. 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 5: Well, petrol stations are running dry. Fuel's becoming unaffordable for 54 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 5: Australians and this government hasn't got off its task and 55 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 5: done its job. The speed of the way that the 56 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 5: government announced it on a Monday after our Friday announcement 57 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 5: shows that this was already ready. 58 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: This was already prepared, it was already costed. 59 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 5: We're about six weeks out from the May twelve budget 60 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 5: and it was like, thank you very much, thanks for 61 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 5: giving us the green light to spend and this is 62 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 5: going to cost about two point five to five billion dollars. 63 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 5: And I think this is the issue with the major 64 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 5: parties is that they chase that sort of populous big 65 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 5: spendethon and no one's actually looking with more sort of 66 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 5: complex thought about future proofing Australia. Why was our fuel 67 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 5: stock so low? It's been low for years under the 68 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 5: coalition under Labor. Does anyone think that Chris Bowen put 69 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 5: fossil fuel petrol oil fuel reserves at the top of 70 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 5: his list when they won the election in twenty twenty two. 71 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 5: The answer to that is absolutely not. 72 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, the Prime Minister was taking a very 73 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: sort of disappointed headmaster tone and it reminded me a 74 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: little bit of COVID Jeff, where he was saying he 75 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: was shocked to see photographs of people with multiple jerry 76 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: cans filling up at petrol stations. But isn't that a 77 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: problem that the government itself created by failing to do 78 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: maybe something like this or something else much much earlier 79 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: than now. 80 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. 81 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 5: Look, we do see this delayed response in times of crises. 82 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 5: We've talked about it on a bunch of fronts, and 83 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 5: they ultimately get there, but they have to get pushed 84 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 5: by someone else saying why don't you do this, or 85 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 5: they get some polling or some focus group research coming in, 86 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 5: or their backbenches are saying you have to do more, 87 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 5: and do it quicker that's really interesting, this sort of 88 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 5: COVID link. And I've been getting some PTSD because I 89 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 5: covered so many National Cabinet meetings Scott Morrison era, and 90 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 5: it's funny to hear the government talking about they don't 91 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 5: want to intervene, they don't want to mandate things, when 92 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 5: I do recall them being in opposition and coming up 93 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 5: with a lot of pretty draconian ideas. 94 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: So it's a new world order. 95 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 5: Now say, look, the Prime Minister has learned from that 96 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 5: COVID experience that unless he absolutely has to, doesn't want 97 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 5: to get in talk of rationing. There was that language 98 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 5: from some labor ministers and Chris Bowen in regards to 99 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 5: these people who are filling up their Jerry cans being 100 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 5: un Australian, and that tone was pretty quickly, you know, 101 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 5: it very much toned it back. We saw Chris Bowen 102 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 5: and Jim Chalmers standing very grim faced and next to 103 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 5: the Prime Minister. These are normally the attack dogs. And 104 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 5: now everyone's looking towards the budget and to thinking there 105 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 5: could be a recession by the end of the year. 106 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 5: What's going to happen to the housing market, how high 107 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 5: are costs going to be? 108 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: And will this. 109 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 5: Government now try and spend its way out of trying 110 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 5: to lower inflation a lot they did with the power 111 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 5: bills and try to avoid recession. 112 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: And I think potentially. 113 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 5: This Donald Trump Iran war has given them potentially an 114 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 5: excuse to squib it and to go full spending popular 115 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 5: sort of approach, the idea of. 116 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 1: That being un Australian and filling up multiple jerry cans 117 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: at the petrol station. And it's a clear reference, I 118 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: think to the way people were hoarding so something like 119 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: toilet paper or tintune or bottle water during the COVID pandemic. 120 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: Is it on Australian or is it just kind of 121 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: sensible if you don't actually have any faith in the 122 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: government to make sure that the petrol station is not 123 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: going to run out next week. 124 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good point. 125 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 5: We've basically ostracize the oil and gas industry in this country. 126 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 5: We've got so much of it here and we're importing 127 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 5: almost everything, And what other option do Australian motorists and 128 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 5: those who rely on petrol have if that's their livelihood 129 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 5: and they're struggling to pay the bills. So yeah, really 130 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 5: it comes down to a supply issue. That's my issue 131 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 5: with the excise. I mean, obviously people would want cheaper petrol, 132 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, we just need 133 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 5: to have that steady flow of supply. And it's quite 134 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 5: ironic now to see crisp and through gritted teeth having 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 5: to subsidize the importing of a fossil fuel in oil 136 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 5: and bring that petrol in and make it cheaper. 137 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: And I think the only thing. 138 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 5: That Angus Taylor's announcement did to the Prime Minister and 139 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 5: Chris Bowen was really, I guess, make them quite angry 140 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 5: because he said to fund his fuel excise cut proposed cut, 141 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 5: he would cut a whole bunch of these EV and 142 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 5: green programs for labor. 143 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: That's a no go zone. 144 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: Well, we saw last week reports that used EV sales 145 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: were actually up for the first time ever, so maybe 146 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: Chris Bohm will get his way anyway. 147 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's it. I've heard the same thing. 148 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 5: And you don't get the warranty right for the battery 149 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 5: and there are issues with the battery. 150 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: So this is what we see. 151 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 5: You know, the more elite folk who could buy that 152 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 5: new EV and get all that great subsidy, the trickle down. 153 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: Element of that will mean that, yeah, you're going to. 154 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 5: Have other families buying secondhand vehicles with zero warranty. So 155 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 5: it's put a lot of pressure on Jim Charmer's six 156 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 5: weeks out from the budget. 157 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: Coming up, So why aren't we imposing limits at the 158 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: petrol pump. Let's just look at that idea of rationing though, Jeff, 159 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: maybe this is on Australian I don't know, but would 160 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: a hundred leader ration have been such a bad idea 161 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: three weeks ago if the government had said, look, there's 162 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with your supply, but to make sure that 163 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: there's enough for everybody and that nobody feels the need 164 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: to panic by, we're going to limit you to one 165 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: hundred leaders per stop at the petrol station, maybe per 166 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: week or per few days. Would that have been such 167 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: a bad idea and could it potentially have avoided this 168 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: massive hit to the budget that they're now going to 169 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: have to deal with. 170 00:08:59,320 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 171 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of trauma and paranoia amongst 172 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 5: the political class thinking about COVID and mandates that came down, 173 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 5: and I think that drove a lot of that resistance. 174 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 5: I think Pauline Hanson had come out and talked about 175 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 5: that as well. So you see the major parties, she 176 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 5: does this to them where she'll come out with something 177 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 5: very early, then they try and find their way through 178 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 5: it and how they respond to it. I think it's 179 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 5: difficult in the fact that you've got suburban motorists, You've 180 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 5: got regional motorists out of suburban motorists. 181 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: So how do you get that rationing level right? 182 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 5: Cars generally are more efficient than they were many years ago, 183 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 5: so I personally probably fill up once a week now, 184 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 5: where in the old days I probably would have filed 185 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 5: that more than that. So I think it came down 186 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 5: to that. But it was pretty obvious to me that 187 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 5: the government were very flat footed. I think as soon 188 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 5: as the Iran War started, you surely thought about supply 189 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 5: chain and for US our strategic reserve being in the 190 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 5: US that was never going to come our way, so 191 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 5: they should have had a plan in place, and unfortunately, 192 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 5: I just as I said earlier, I don't think Chris 193 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 5: Bowen when he came in in twenty twenty two, would 194 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 5: have looked at our strategic reserves just how fragile they 195 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 5: are in that thirty day mark and gone, we need 196 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 5: to prioritize this to protect our sovereignty and to protect 197 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 5: our families motor workers. It's sort of like he's learning 198 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 5: it on the job. We've had shortages of ad Blue 199 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 5: during COVID. It wasn't because they couldn't come out of China, 200 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 5: but people were hoarding it. So you've got to get 201 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 5: the actual suppliers sitting around the table. 202 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: You've got to know who they are. 203 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 5: There's also we had gas issues in terms of gas shortfalls, 204 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 5: so you bring in all the gas bosses and you 205 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 5: lay the law down. So I've heard that there are 206 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 5: some independent fuel and other sort of private companies who 207 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 5: are hoarding as well because it's not in their best 208 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 5: financial interests. So it's going to be a pretty costly 209 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 5: exercise over a few months because we weren't prepared for this. 210 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: Well, Jim Thomas has clearly got a new mantra, and 211 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: it's giving me flashbacks to budgets a couple of budgets ago. 212 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: Jeff. 213 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: It's temporary, it's timely, and it's repet so we've got 214 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: six more weeks to hear that until budget night. I 215 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it. 216 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, this was supposed to be his big reforming budget. 217 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 5: He was supposed to show us how he was going 218 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 5: to lift productivity and everything's been blown out of the water. 219 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 5: And the Prime minister's a pretty cautious fellow and his 220 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 5: Treasurer has a lot of ambition. 221 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: So who wins the day? 222 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 5: And I think given the situation where it's been a 223 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 5: while since we've seen these cost of living sweeteners, they 224 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 5: didn't do it at my EFO. I think that there's 225 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 5: going to be more to come on this. The problem 226 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 5: is if inflation keeps going up, where does this stop? 227 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 5: For How long can the government think they can keep 228 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 5: propping up household budgets when the cost of everything keeps 229 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 5: just going through the roof And the projections are is 230 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 5: that we may well fall into recession and those cost 231 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 5: of living pressures might just keep rising and rising. 232 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: Well, Jeff, thank you very much and I'll see you 233 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: at the petrol station on Wednesday. 234 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: I see there. 235 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: Thanks, hopefully we'll see you there too. 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