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Speaker 1: It is the City with Kate Riki podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's good undid.

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Speaker 3: The process hit song so bad.

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Speaker 2: Crime you're writing that intro.

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Speaker 3: Nine hit song there that was a song by the Beatles,

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Speaker 3: and I absolutely butchered that. But do you know what

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Speaker 3: I want to kick off today? From nineteen eighty five?

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Speaker 3: We're going way back here, but this song still resonates

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Speaker 3: with so many people.

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Speaker 4: It's tears for Fears.

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Speaker 3: Everybody wants to Rule the World, which is an unbelievable song,

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Speaker 3: and they're back performing it again now. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is had over two billion hits still for a song

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Speaker 3: from nineteen eighty five on YouTube, Like, I mean, people

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Speaker 3: still love this song so much, and I'm fascinated about

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Speaker 3: how a song like.

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Speaker 4: This comes together.

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Speaker 3: So members of the band that the main two is

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Speaker 3: Roland or Isabel and also Kurt Smith.

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Speaker 4: They're the two singers that you know.

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Speaker 3: And this is Kurt Smith talking about how the riff

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Speaker 3: gets together and how it all came together, and I mean,

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Speaker 3: it just gives you goosebumps to hear that they came

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Speaker 3: up with this idea. But have her listen to Kurt

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Speaker 3: speaking here.

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Speaker 1: So one of the first things Roland brought to this

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Speaker 1: was the beautiful opening arpeggio, which is that that's the whole.

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Speaker 3: And we're off and we're off, So that's where the

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Speaker 3: that's where the song started, right. But then they throwed

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Speaker 3: to Roland, who was the lead singer of the band.

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Speaker 3: And this was Roland's reaction when he heard that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like Everybody Wants to Rule the World when

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Speaker 1: I wrote it, because it wasn't called Everybody Wants to

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Speaker 1: Rule the World. It was called Everybody wants to go

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Speaker 1: to War.

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Speaker 4: Everybody wants to go to war.

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Speaker 3: And he thought, well, that's that's negative, and I don't

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Speaker 3: really like the song. This is Ian Stanley. Ian Stanley

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Speaker 3: played keyboards. This was his first reaction when he heard

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Speaker 3: the song.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was late weight. I couldn't see anything,

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Speaker 5: and I think I thought the same. Even Roland thought

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Speaker 5: the same. You know, we were sort of against it.

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Speaker 5: It was just too there wasn't anything.

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Speaker 4: You know, they didn't think that there was anything in

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Speaker 4: the song.

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Speaker 1: How did you know?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you hear, I mean they must people must

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Speaker 2: come up with a riff and then add some keys

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Speaker 2: into it and just think, could this be anything?

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Speaker 6: Is that anything? Do you like?

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Speaker 3: Well, they actually pushed it to the side, And it

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Speaker 3: was Roland's late wife right who actually said. Roland's late

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Speaker 3: wife said to him, I actually really liked this song.

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Speaker 3: Don't push it to the side. It's a really good song.

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Speaker 3: Like I want to, I want to listen to someone

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Speaker 3: to hear a lot more so, Kurt said. They pushed

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Speaker 3: it to the side for a while. They brought it

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Speaker 3: back and they needed something at the start. I just

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Speaker 3: love stories like this. They needed something that, like you said,

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Speaker 3: something to add to it, whip have a listen.

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Speaker 1: I knew there needed to be a calling, some kind

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Speaker 1: of sound you'd hear across the room. You go, oh,

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Speaker 1: I like that. And I worked with Ian on that

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Speaker 1: and I said, it's it's some kind of just a

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Speaker 1: simple chimey synse and it sort of drops down did

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Speaker 1: do him some kind of and he went kind of

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Speaker 1: like this, and he nailed it.

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Speaker 4: God, doesn't it give you a goosebats?

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Speaker 3: Now, this is Roland talking about So they didn't release

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Speaker 3: it as their first single from the album. They didn't

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Speaker 3: think it was that good. It went number one in

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Speaker 3: America straight away. And this is Rolling the lead singer.

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Speaker 3: This is in nineteen eighty five and they were playing

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Speaker 3: festivals where there are one hundred thousand people there whip

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Speaker 3: and they would kick off their set with this song.

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Speaker 4: I have listened to Roland talking about that.

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Speaker 7: He's open with the song is the first song in

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Speaker 7: the set, and you'd have a say, arena full of

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Speaker 7: people that are just in They're kind of waiting and

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Speaker 7: anticipating what you're going to play, and then the first

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Speaker 7: and then guitar part comes in and then you know,

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Speaker 7: it's a few notes of music.

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Speaker 4: It's all it is.

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Speaker 7: Changes the mood of up to one hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 7: And that's the power of music that never ceases to

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Speaker 7: a stand.

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Speaker 8: Oh.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 3: This is the Fitz and We with Cape Ritchie podcast, What.

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Speaker 4: Is the process hit song song?

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Speaker 3: The process of a hit song? We are fascinated by this.

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Speaker 3: We kicked it off last week. Actually this was a

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Speaker 3: request by someone because we were talking recently about Miley

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Speaker 3: Cyrus's song.

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Speaker 4: Party in the USA was released. It was released in

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Speaker 4: two two thousand and.

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Speaker 3: Nine, great critical and commercial success.

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Speaker 4: Great song. So you're about to hear it very very soon.

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Speaker 3: It reached the top ten charts in eight countries. Oh,

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Speaker 3: it was massive, huge song. Would you say that it

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Speaker 3: would be miley biggest song.

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Speaker 6: Early on, Yeah, before Wrecking Ball came out.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea that it wasn't Miley's song.

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Speaker 6: Billie Rays was father to daughter.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it was written and produced by a guy called

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Speaker 3: Doctor Luke, but the song was written.

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Speaker 4: For jesse j oh So.

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Speaker 3: Jesse j wrote the original lyrics to the song. But

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Speaker 3: obviously she's got a different life story than Miley.

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Speaker 4: She's from London, she's a British person and.

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Speaker 3: She's writing partying in the USA, so with different lyrics.

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Speaker 4: Haven't listened to jessej explain.

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Speaker 8: I never forget when Luke was like, Miley wants this,

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Speaker 8: and I was like, great, she changed some of the

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Speaker 8: lyrics because obviously it was for me. It was at

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Speaker 8: half of the plane at Lex with my tea and

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Speaker 8: my card again, welcome to the land of Fame and sex.

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Speaker 8: Who am I going to fit in? Johnp in the

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Speaker 8: cab and the driver's on the left side, looked at

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Speaker 8: my right and I see the Hollywood sign. Oh my days,

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Speaker 8: there's Macy's. Everybody seems so crazy.

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Speaker 4: So she wrote that. So then Miley didn't write, you know,

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Speaker 4: with lines like oh my god, there's Macy's.

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Speaker 3: She didn't leave that in there because Miley's story is different,

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Speaker 3: being American herself. She changed the lyrics to it. But

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Speaker 3: this is the thing, jesse J said, I don't think

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Speaker 3: this is for me. You can give it to somebody else.

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Speaker 3: Miley picked it up and then it became such a

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Speaker 3: huge success.

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Speaker 4: Jesse J was asked, did you regret giving up the song?

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Speaker 8: No, I don't regret. I could never have done what

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Speaker 8: she did with it. I wasn't anywhere near that Miley's. Miley,

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Speaker 8: her reinvention of herself has been so inspiring to me

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Speaker 8: over and over again.

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Speaker 4: And she paid my rent for about three.

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Speaker 8: Years, about five years straight.

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Speaker 6: You know our party at Trafalgar Square would have been good.

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Speaker 3: Well do you? I mean there is a level of

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Speaker 3: that could have been my song. But you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting paid a lot of money and it's paid

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Speaker 3: my rent for five six years.

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Speaker 2: Jesse J wrote the lyrics.

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Speaker 3: JESSEJ wrote the lyrics, and then Doctor Luke did the music. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he wrote and produced it right, so he probably got

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Speaker 3: cash as well. You would say, Oh, the two money

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Speaker 3: makers out of this were Doctor Luke and JESSEJ. Do

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Speaker 3: you know the funny thing about it, and I find

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Speaker 3: this funny is that Miley Soros has never really spoken

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Speaker 3: about Jessej.

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Speaker 4: There's nowhere to find.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you need to as an artist?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. I think isn't it a community

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Speaker 4: where you go look? Thank you very much? Like JESSEJ

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Speaker 4: did an amazing job. But she said that this is

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Speaker 4: not a song for me, so I picked it up.

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Speaker 2: But I've never heard Beyonce say about to sing about

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Speaker 2: to sing this song called Halo.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to thank Ryan Tedder.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, they think they think people who contributed to

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Speaker 3: the song.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe at an awards night, but I don't think

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Speaker 6: during an interview or casual chat Marley's going to go yeah,

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Speaker 6: But I must point out jesse J wrote it.

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Speaker 4: Actually, you know what, I must admit Miley did.

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Speaker 3: The only time she's ever spoken about the song is

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Speaker 3: where it's being played.

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Speaker 4: Have a listen.

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Speaker 2: How often have.

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Speaker 8: You been out in public?

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Speaker 5: And Party in the USA has been playing.

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Speaker 9: Party in the USA plays a lot when I'm out

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Speaker 9: in public. It's kind of like the ultimate grocery aisle music.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if I've ever gone to a grocery

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Speaker 9: store and not heard it come on, and sometimes I

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Speaker 9: think it's cute for my entrance. The door's open, da

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Speaker 9: boom produce here I come.

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Speaker 4: Just think, jesse J. Mate, that's all. You actually don't

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Speaker 4: have to thank jesse J.

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Speaker 2: But I wonder if Miley, because she had to change

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Speaker 2: a few of the lyrics, we co wrote it.

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Speaker 6: So when she said, oh yeah, great, I love it, Mike, huh,

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Speaker 6: jesse J wrote it. No, no, no, we co wrote it.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's it. That's in origin.

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