1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: I'm on annual leave at the moment, and so is 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Producer X. But we are coming to you with some 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: of our best of moments to get us through this 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: holiday period. So it's twenty twenty six. Maybe some of 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: you are thinking it's time for a career change or 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: just a change of scenery, and you're starting to shop 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: around for a new job, and maybe you're thinking, what 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: the heck do I even need to put on my 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: job application these days, especially if you haven't applied for 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: a job for a long time. Well, last year I 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: recorded an episode all about this, telling you what I 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: look for in a job application and how you can 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: stand out in the pack when you're applying for that 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: dream role. This is the perfect episode for everyone to 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: catch up on while we're on annually from the pod Plus, 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: Met and Producer X have a disagreement in this episode 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: on whether cover letters are still relevant. Take a listen. 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: This episode's going to be great for everyone. I feel. 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking about how to nail a job interview, how 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: to land your dream job, and also how to stand 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: out when you're applying for a job. Why is this 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: episode good for everyone? I mean, it's great if you're 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: an employee listening and maybe you want to apply for 24 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: a new role or change career paths. Who knows. And 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: this is also going to be great for all of 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: you business owners out there, because I guess I'm going 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: to give you a little insight into hiring and what 28 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: we look for at FATE. So without further ado, let's 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: just get into it. So we're never not hiring at 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: FATE and I have done a couple of episodes about 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: hiring already, but hiring is one of the biggest parts 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: of business and it's a never ending part of business, 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: especially if you're growing, you are always going to be hiring. 34 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: And I wish I had the stats. We did a 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: like six monthly company review who the other week, and 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: our hiring team actually gave us stats on how many 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: jobs that we've advertised over the last six months, how 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: many applicants that we've had, and how many hires have 39 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: come from that, and the numbers were absolutely insane. But 40 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: hiring is a huge part of our business at FATE 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: and pretty much we are never not hiring for something. 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: There is always a new position popping up. And for 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: any of you that are curious, if you ever want 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: to apply for a job at Fate. We always have 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: our ads on Seek, so you can type on Google 46 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: Fate the label jobs, and our Seek profile will pop up, 47 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: and that's where all of our jobs will be. And 48 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: I guess I wanted to talk about this because we 49 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: are currently hiring for our Paramatter store. I keep going 50 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: to say Westfield Paramatter, but we are not opening in 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: Westfield Paramatter. We are outside Westfield Paramatter, but we currently 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: have those ads up. We're already in the process of 53 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: doing interviews for our full time store manager and assistant manager. 54 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: And then we've also popped up our casual retail assistant ad. 55 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: And do you want to know what's absolutely crazy. We 56 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: have anticipated that our Paramatta store is going to be 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: like a big, busy one, so we assume that when 58 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: we put up this retail casual ad that we would 59 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: get a lot of applicants. In two days, we have 60 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: gotten six hundred and fifty one applications, So that is 61 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: absolutely crazy. And so it's safe to say that we 62 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: look at a lot of resumes. And I guess I 63 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: wanted to give some tips to all of you out 64 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: there who do apply for roles, because there are so 65 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: many things that we look for and things that you 66 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: can very easily do to stand out from the rest. 67 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: And some of these I think you're not going to like, 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: but let's just jump straight straight into it. Number one, 69 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: Chat GPT one of my favorite favorite tools. That's got 70 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: to be one of the best things like that's come 71 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: out in a long time. If you don't know what 72 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: chat GPT is, I'm sure everyone does by now, and 73 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: I've mentioned it on the pod. It's AI. It's fantastic. Like, 74 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: just jump on chat GBT if you haven't already, and 75 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: you'll see exactly what it is. It's this little AI 76 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: program that you can get it to do anything you want. Now, 77 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: what surprises me is, especially in recent months, how many 78 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: people write job applications using chat GPT. Now. We love 79 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: chat GPT. We encourage people to use chat GPT. I 80 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: encourage my staff to use it in their roles whenever 81 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: they can. Like, if you've ever got ever got a 82 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: task and you think it could be useful to use 83 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: chat GPT, I'm like, go for it. But my number 84 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: one piece of advice is if you are applying for 85 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: a job, sure use chat GPT, but don't just copy 86 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: and paste it because when you open someone's application. And 87 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: let's say they've written a cover letter, you can tell 88 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: immediately when they have just pasted that from chat gpt 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: because it comes across as robotic and it's just crazy 90 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: how many people use it now. For us, if someone 91 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: has used chat gpt to write their cover letter, I mean, 92 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: in my eyes, even if they've got like a really 93 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: impressive resume, if they have just gone copy and paste, 94 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: like it's almost like you're going to get put into 95 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: the not suitable category because especially for us, and again, 96 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: like always I can only ever speak from my company's 97 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: point of view when it comes to us and when 98 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: we're hiring for new roles, we are looking for people 99 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: that are so passionate about what we do, especially for 100 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: our retail stores. We are looking for people that are 101 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: passionate about our community, passionate about our product, you know, 102 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: passionate about our size range. So someone's just gone yep, 103 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: copy paste boom. Are they really that passionate about getting 104 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: the role? So my number one tip is use chat 105 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: gpt absolutely, but take it, copy and paste it, and 106 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: then put it in your own words at a bit 107 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: of personality in there. And this leads me on to 108 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: point number two for example, in this instance, right now, 109 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm sitting in front of my laptop and I've got 110 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: our seakh employer back and open. It's the dashboard, and 111 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: we have six hundred and fifty one applicants in this 112 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: ad that we put up two days ago for our 113 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 1: retail assistance at Paramatter. We're going to be sifting through those, 114 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: and there's a lot. We might be hiring eight and 115 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: we've got six hundred to go through and the ads. 116 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: We're turning the ad off in two days, so we'll 117 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: probably have even more. We're going to go through every 118 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: single one of those. And this is something that people 119 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: You might get a video out of this. This is 120 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: something that a lot of people hate. I've had people 121 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: say to me, I do I hate that. I can't 122 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: be bothered if you don't have a cover letter on 123 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: your application. You're an instant. 124 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: No, that is really interesting that you say this, because 125 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: I think that the age of the cover letter is 126 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: over again. 127 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: I can only speak from my. 128 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: Business and like, yes, we everyone still us to do them, 129 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: but I really feel like the time of the cuve 130 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: letter is over. 131 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. 132 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: Look, I get why you want to see them and 133 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: use them, because you want to see that they can 134 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: write a paragraph. You want to see that they're like 135 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: their punctualities. 136 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: I want to see their personality. That's the number one thing. 137 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: I think it's time to find something new. Like if 138 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: you're getting six hundred applications and you're like, oh, two 139 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: hundred of them have a cover letter, I'm going to 140 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: look at. 141 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: Them that they stand out. 142 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: You're going to read two hundred cover letters. 143 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 1: I mean, when you're going through resumes and cover letters, 144 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: it's you just skim reading. Like we're not sitting there 145 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: with the phone exactly. 146 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: Time for something new, little skim letters. 147 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: Okay, how about no more cover letters video? 148 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: Actually I didn't mind that, Like that's actually quite a 149 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: good idea. 150 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: Well, I can only speak on behalf of us as 151 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: a company, but it would be different for you know, 152 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: big corporations and whatever, where they just want to see 153 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: your job history and what you where you've worked, you know, 154 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: and they're going to hire you based off your experience. 155 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 1: But for us, we are also looking for people who 156 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: are just passionate about fate, passionate about our size range. 157 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: We want people that are passionate about helping our customers 158 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: and connecting with our community because that's such a big 159 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: thing for us as a company. In a resume, you 160 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: can't write that. 161 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: I just realized that I said punctuality and not punctuation. 162 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: Now, look, I get what you're saying, Xander. I know 163 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: we've had this conversation before. But when we've got six 164 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one applicants and we're going to go 165 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: through them all, yes, we're going to look at six 166 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one resumes, but let's say three hundred 167 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: of them have also got a cover letter where we 168 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: can get to know a little bit about them before 169 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: we've even interviewed them. Of course they're going to stand 170 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: out more. 171 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: On my resume that I sent out at the top 172 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: of it, I have, it's almost like a half cover letter. Yeah, 173 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: so it's something to just briefly explain who I am, 174 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: YadA YadA, yadda. But I usually now sometimes don't send 175 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: a full cover letter out because yeah, that's. 176 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: All right, I reckon, Like, if you've done on your 177 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: on your resume, Let's say you've got a two page 178 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: resume or whatever, and the first page has like got 179 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: a bit of info about you as well, then I 180 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: think that's good. Yeah, But when you have six hundred 181 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: and fifty applicants and you're looking for eight and some 182 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: of them have gone to the length of writing that 183 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: cover letter. 184 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: But he's here's the issue. 185 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Here's this issue. 186 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my counter argument. You've just said, use 187 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: chat GPT to write everything. I don't think in this 188 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: day and age, a cover letter is a good enough 189 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: presentation of how you can actually structure a letter or 190 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: a sentence because you can easily go to chat GPT 191 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: and say, write me a cover letter. This is what 192 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: my qualifications are. Yeah, ya YadA. So like, I just 193 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: don't think in this day and age that that is 194 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: a telling of if someone is the employer you want 195 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: to hold. 196 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: No, of course not. It's just you can get a 197 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: little bit more of a glimpse of them through a 198 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: cover letter and a resume as opposed to just a resume. 199 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: And my advice to employees out there is get creative, Like, 200 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: if you really want to roll, get creative. So, for example, 201 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: when we advertise for our social media positions, sometimes we 202 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: will have applicants also attach their portfolio of work. Let's 203 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: say they've made a heap of videos and they've done 204 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: captions and stories and whatever. They will jump onto camper 205 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: and make a PDF presentation and they'll attach that as 206 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: well so that we can see a bit of the 207 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: work that they. 208 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: Do PDIF presentation, I like the sound of that. 209 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: Do you have presentation, get. 210 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: Rid of the Coverlet give us a PDF. 211 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: Pres you see people on TikTok make a video saying 212 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, no one's on it for Fate. Let's say 213 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: we were hiring. I saw Fate was hiring a new 214 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: social media coordinator. I've just applied, and I'm also making 215 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: this video because I really hope to get this job. 216 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: The people that go that little extra mile and do 217 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: something to stand out, whether it's a cover letter, whether 218 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: it's a video, whether it's attaching their previous work and 219 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: their portfolio, you'd like you're honestly going to stand out 220 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: by a mile compared to other applicants that have just 221 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: attached the resume. And that's all I'm saying. From a 222 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: back end perspective. There would be some recruiters out there 223 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: who completely disagree with me on this, but this is 224 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: what works for us in our business, and this is 225 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: the way that we do things, and every business is 226 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: completely different. There might be some business owners out there 227 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: that say I fucking hate cover letters. I don't even 228 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: look at them. All I look at is the resume, 229 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: and if that works for them, that works for them. 230 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: And I think that's like the beauty of businesses. There 231 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: is no right and wrong way. But just speaking from 232 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: me in my industry, where we do have a lot 233 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: of creative roles and we're very community based, we are 234 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: looking for those personalities in those applications. 235 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 2: We'll see me on the streets protesting against the cover 236 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: letter this weekend. 237 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: I could run through a million tips when it comes 238 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: to actually interviewing. I know that interviews can be really daunting, 239 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: and people can become super anxious before interviews and you know, 240 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: be really nervous, feel like they're gonna stuff up and whatever. 241 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: My advice to anyone going for a job interview, and 242 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: if you are feeling nervous and overwhelmed or stressed out 243 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: or anxious, take your time when you are let's say, 244 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: on the call or in the face to face interview, 245 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: and again, don't be afraid to show a little of 246 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: who you are. I know that interview, like when you 247 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: hear the word interview, it can sound really like that 248 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: sounds kind of serious. You know, I'm going for an 249 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: interview kind of thing, but especially with a lot of 250 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: these younger companies who have younger bosses, for example, like 251 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: I talk about the millennial boss takeover and the gen 252 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: z bosses are coming through. Yes, we want to know 253 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: about you and your experience and your skills and what 254 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: you can do for us. But again, like, don't be 255 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: afraid to show a little bit of your personality in 256 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: that interview. 257 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: I do this thing sometimes where instead of calling it 258 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: an interview, in my mind, I call it my performance 259 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: because it actually takes away the power of the interviewer, 260 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: like having that over you, having that power over you. Yeah, 261 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: And so if I'm going in there thinking I'm about 262 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: to perform for these guys, then it completely switches that 263 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: your energy shifted for me. 264 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: I love that, and I would say take your time 265 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: when you're in an interview as well. I think there 266 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: is a lot of pressure when someone is in an 267 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: interview that they get asked a question and they've got 268 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: to blurt out the answer straight away. And we found 269 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: that when people do that, sometimes they can say something 270 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: that is just like the question hasn't even processed with them, 271 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: and then they'll ramble on, but they've gone on a 272 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: completely different tangent kind of thing. And then you can, 273 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: like you can sense when people are getting nervous and 274 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: then they start word vomiting in an interview. My advice 275 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: would be, when you are in an interview someone asks 276 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: you a question, just take two seconds to like have 277 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: a little breath. I take ten, Yeah, like take five 278 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: to ten seconds. It doesn't matter at all. You don't 279 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: have to. You know, what are your strengths and weaknesses? 280 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah broa, Like there's your answer straight away, 281 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: like sport, you know, take a second, go yep, what 282 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: are my strengths and weaknesses? Like take that moment before 283 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: you then come out with your answer. I feel like 284 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people always rush in interviews to just 285 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: spit out the first thing that comes to their mind. 286 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: But my advice from an employer an interviewer side is 287 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: take your time, think about what you're going to say, 288 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: and then give that answer. 289 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: And remember you are also interviewing the employer. Don't think 290 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: this is just the employer making sure you're right for 291 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: the job. You need to make sure they're right for you. 292 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's another great tips and always come prepared 293 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: with some questions. At the end of every single one 294 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: of our interviews, we will always say at the end, 295 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: now do you have any questions for us? And look, 296 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: it's fine if you don't have any questions for us, 297 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: Like a lot of people might be caught off guard 298 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: and go, oh no, like everything seems really straightforward kind 299 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: of thing. But take the time before your interview prepare 300 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: a couple of questions. They can be as simple as 301 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: what does your ideal candidate for this role look like? 302 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: How do you manage your staff's work life balance, what 303 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: are the most important things to you within your workplace culture? 304 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: It can be anything, and I think it does show 305 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: another level of initiative if you have taken the time 306 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: to prepare a couple of questions for the employer. And 307 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: it also puts us on our toes a little bit too. 308 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: Rather than us talking at the person that's you know, 309 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: in the interview, they can also talk back to us 310 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: and make us think for a second, or they can 311 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: challenge us in a way. Don't make the questions too hard, please, 312 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: But I absolutely love that tip. Ask some questions back 313 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: as well. 314 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: Watch out Xander's new podcast called Bigger business. 315 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: Bigger business. Can you imagine if you came out. 316 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: With the podcast to Arrival network and came up with 317 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: bigger business. Don't even own a business myself, just doing 318 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: the podcast, just. 319 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: Giving your input on business even though you're not in it. Oh, 320 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: there are so many hacks and tips that I could 321 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: share when it comes to nailing a job interview, but 322 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: I feel like these ones that I've covered today are key. 323 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: Write the fucking cover letter, don't listen to Xander. But again, 324 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: it depends where you're applying. Look if it's write the 325 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: couple out, That's all I'm saying. Are the companies I 326 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: can't speak on their behalf, I can't be confident and 327 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: be yourself. Don't try to be someone else in an interview, 328 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: don't try to be a million times more professional than 329 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: you normally would be. Just be yourself because at the 330 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: end of the day, that's what we're looking for. I 331 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: don't know about every other business, but we're just looking 332 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: for people who are authentically themselves. So those are my 333 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: little tips.