WEBVTT - Sharri | 24 April 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.159 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:05.519 This is Sharry. 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:11.120 Good Evening Tonight, A top newspaper editor accuses Anthony Alberzi 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.800 of running a shameless, deceitful campaign to his face. That 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:17.600 explosive accusation. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:21.960 In a moment. Plus, Albanzi under fire again, this time. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.520 For backing a candidate who shared Nazi imagery of Peter 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:31.200 Dutton and called him a monster. His praise raising serious questions, 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.600 and he still can't get his story straight. Albanezi drags 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:40.520 up his own stage stumble yet again. It's an own goal, 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:42.760 yet he can't get his story straight. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.240 It's clearly keeping him up at night. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:50.560 And when young Australians fight to defend our nation, I'll 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.880 bring you research into this with Liberal MP and former 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.600 soldier Keith Wallahan. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.320 This on the eve of Anzac Day. Also tonight, the 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:00.920 cost of Living laid bare. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.920 Oz Harvest founder Ronny Kahn joins me live with a 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.959 powerful message to both major parties. And it's another night 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.560 of great guests with Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplis, Sophie Elsworth 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:17.920 at Vatican City and Warren Hogan. But first tonight, Albinizi 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.160 is lifting in the polls, but he's doing so through 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:26.360 untruthful scare campaigns. If the same tactics were used against him, 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:32.000 he'd call it misinformation. Donald Trump would call it fake news. 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:37.480 Albanezi stands in front of the Medicare backdrop, day after day, 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:43.759 the implication that Peter Dutton would slash Medicare. It's not true, 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:48.480 but that doesn't matter to this Prime minister. As Cameron 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:52.760 Milner wrote this week, Albanezi is like the used car 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:58.640 salesman father in Roll Doll's book Matilda, making big promises, 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.080 then whine back the eudometer and stuffing sawdust in the gearbox, 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:10.000 and when he's caught out, no apologies, only excuses. He 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:15.359 can't even admit he's misled Australians on power prices. He 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.800 promised they'd fall two hundred and seventy five dollars ninety 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.960 seven times before the last election. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.080 Now obfuscation and deflection. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.760 When will we see our power bills come down? 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:31.160 They are? 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.760 Well, what we know is that renewables are the cheapest 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.480 form of power, not because of what we say, but 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.880 because of what the Australian Energy market operator says. When 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:45.560 do the bills come down and what the market is delivering? 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.160 Just stick me with your plan, mister Albinezy, when will 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:48.880 the bills come. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.520 Down under our plan? We know that renewables are the 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.600 cheapest form of power. Gas is now thirteen dollars. It 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.520 was thirty dollars, and when we came cheap, when we 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.080 kind off, thirteen cheaper than thirty. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:07.040 Yet, if the national polls are correct, Albinizi is set 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.360 to win again, and history also tells us this is 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:14.520 the most likely outcome. No first term government has been 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:19.560 defeated since the Great Depression. Even after Kevin Rudd's chaotic 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:23.600 first term when he was unceremoniously rolled as Prime Minister 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:28.160 by his own colleagues, the Coalition couldn't win. In twenty 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.200 ten there was a hung Parliament, as you'll recall, and 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.200 it was the election after when Tony Abbott won in 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.760 a landslide, only of course, to then be toppled by 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.160 Malcolm Turnbull. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.720 Who wrongly thought he could do it better. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.200 So for Dudden to win next Saturday, it would go 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.360 against the grain of history. The fact he's even in 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:55.360 contention reflects just how poor Albanese's record. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:56.600 As PM really is. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:02.280 Think of the Voice referendum failure, releasing hundreds of criminal 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.920 date detainees, and some went on to reoffend, issuing nearly 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.200 three thousand visas to Gazans from a terror controlled warzone, 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:16.240 abandoning America at the United Nations, refusing to stand up 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.680 to China after Australian defense personnel were injured or threatened. 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:26.279 The Big Australia agenda, with one million new immigrants, crashing 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.839 housing supply, the conflicts of interest in the Made in 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:35.720 Australia deals, the misinformation legislation that was thankfully scuttled. Electricity 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.880 prices up thirty two percent despite promising the two to 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:43.320 seventy five cut, twelve interest rate hikes just to top 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:51.200 it all off, no signature reform, there, no legacy, just damage. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:57.000 Dutton has put forward major reform his nuclear policy, gas 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:01.560 expansion and greater defense spending. He also wants to embark 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.000 on major tax reform if he wins government. 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:06.680 I mentioned this last night. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.400 Dudden wants to index personal income tax brackets so they're 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.400 in line with inflation. He made the case for this 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.080 in an interview with the Australians Editor at large Paul 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.159 Kelly and Dennis Shanahan. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.040 I want to see us move as quickly as we 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:26.760 can as a country to changes around personal income tax, 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:31.240 including indexation, because bracket creep, as we know, is a 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:36.800 killer in the economy and it stifles productivity and entrepreneurialism 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.160 and hard work, etc. But we need to do it 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.200 at a time where the budget can afford to do so. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:48.320 This is brilliant policy, much needed reform, because the issue 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.760 is that even if wages are growing slightly, bracket creep 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:57.080 is pushing workers into higher tax brackets. At the same time, 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:01.320 inflation means you're purchasing power is shrinking. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:03.560 So look at it this way. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.039 Without adjusting the tax thresholds to account for the historic 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:12.120 inflation we've experienced, this government has presided over, in effect, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:17.760 a massive tax increase, and it's a tax increase by stealth. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:23.200 Chief economist at the IPA, Adam Crichton calls this immoral. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.560 The lack of indexation is basically a totally unlegislated tax 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.000 increase every year. It's completely immoral and just as the 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:35.320 opposition letters said, you know, it kills entrepreneurialism, it kills productivity. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.680 Most serious countries in the world already do this, the 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.200 United States, France, Canada, Germany. I mean, you know, we 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.960 index our pensions. We index our family benefits every year, 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.839 but poor old taxpayer doesn't get any indexation, and that 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.279 effectively means a tax increase every year, and that is 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.159 the only way the governments of both persuasions can just 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.120 keep increasing their spending every year. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.920 Reform in this area is supported by the former head 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.960 of the Productivity Commission, Michael Brennan, who says it's possible 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.120 that the ability to raise revenue through bracket creep is 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.120 on balance making it easier for the size of government 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.080 to just grow and for income tax to bear the 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:19.240 burden without requiring legislative scrutiny. And highly respected economist Chris 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.040 Richardson says that the average full time worker in just 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.200 six years time will move from the thirty percent to 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.840 the thirty seven percent tax bracket. He says this wouldn't 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.840 happen with indexation. He says, Australia may be a first 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:39.880 world nation, but we increasingly have a third rate tax system. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.480 It last got a spit and polish a quarter of 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.280 a century ago, with the subsequent neglect leaving it ever 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:51.720 more reliant on a handful of increasingly damaging taxes. Now, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.120 I asked Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor about this idea of 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.160 indexing tax thresholds recently, and he didn't rule it out 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.360 in the future, but said that spending levels and debt 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.400 were too high to implement right now. But I think 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.680 most people don't realize that Australia has one of the 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.960 highest personal income tax rates in the world. The government 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:18.240 is just collecting more and more personal income tax to 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.640 fund their big spending agenda. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.760 So reform here is urgent. 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.360 And I think it's a pity that Dutton didn't announce 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.360 this policy in his Budget reply speech and. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.360 Then campaign hard on it. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:38.360 The coalition campaign should have been bolder and embraced Dutton's 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:43.079 own instincts on policy, like on this one. Unfortunately, other 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.360 members of his team argued against it. So it's not 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.320 that the Coalition doesn't have the ideas, it's that they 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.600 thought they could win without putting the policy reform on 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.600 the table. As economics editor at The finn Review, John 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.360 Ko wrote, if Dutton had campaigned on this from the start, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.640 he would have given himself a better shot at winning 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:11.160 the election, and I agree, especially when you consider Alban 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.000 Eze's record. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott used to think 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.839 nineteen seventy five was the most consequential election in our 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:23.160 history because GoF Whitlam's government was our worst ever and 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.360 because voters had to ratify his dismissal. But Abbott says 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.760 that he believes that this election is now more consequential. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.800 He writes because the Albaneze government has a worse record 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:40.280 of economic vandalism, not just massively expanding the size of 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:45.200 government but also helping to create an unprecedented. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.240 Fall in living standards. 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:51.320 What's more, Whitlam seemed like an aberration, whereas the alban 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:55.600 Ezy government is making green left politics the new normal 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:00.600 and is basically indifferent to the point of contemptuous of 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:05.439 the Anglo Celtic culture and Judeo Christian ethic that has made. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.040 Modern Australia so great. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:09.480 Now. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.880 In my view, it wouldn't have been the West idea 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:16.320 to draft Abbot into the coalition campaign as a high 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:21.319 level advisor because the case against the Albanezy government is strong, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:26.959 but the messaging needed to be sharper, tougher. And look 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:31.240 at these succinct and brutal lines from Abbot in that 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:36.320 article in The Australian. He said the fundamental distinction between 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.400 the Government and the opposition's housing policies is that Labour 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:44.920 wants to create more renters while the Coalition wants to 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:51.280 create more owners. And on immigration, Labour's okay with migrants 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.960 living in Hotel Australia, but the Coalition wants everyone to 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:59.360 join Team Australia. And he writes that the armed forces 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.880 are for to tring our potential. 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.480 Enemies, not just disaster relief. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.959 There's plenty of material for the Coalition to work with 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:14.320 and Darton is on a daily basis highlighting the lines 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.240 of the Labor campaign and even the media can see it. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.920 The country's most experienced a newspaper editor, Christopher Dare said 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:29.000 today that Albanezy had run a shameless, outrageous and deceitful campaign. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.120 He made the comments right to his face at the 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.800 West Australian Leadership Breakfast. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.239 On that day. I pointed out that you are conducting 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:43.679 a masterful campaign, a masterclass really built on the maybe 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.320 Graham richardson whatever it takes approach to victory, dabbling in 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.199 a little bit of deceit, cycling through the spin, unrelenting, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:56.120 uncompromising at times, a little bit outrageous, but a brilliant campaign. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.520 So far you are prepared. You never leave without your 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.960 Medicare card. You are confident, so much so you let 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:10.439 Chris Bowen speak publicly, and you are shameless. 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.679 If Albanezey wasn't too sure about those lines, well, his 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.520 smile got tighter and tighter, and the next made him 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.000 visibly squirm. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:24.880 While you don't even know the name of the Greens 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.920 candidate in your seat this time around. It wasn't always 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.319 the way. If it were not for the Save our 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.679 Elbow campaign we ran in twenty sixteen while I was 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.640 editing the Daily Telegraph in your hometown, you would have 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.200 most likely lost your seat in Parliament to a Green opponent. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.640 To this day, Bill Shorten and Tanya Plivsek have never 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:44.160 forgiven me. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.760 Bill Shorton and Tania pliver Sk have never forgiven him. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.439 That's what Christopherdoor said. Well, in my view, neither will 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:55.920 the rest of Australia forgive him, because there is virtually 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.480 no case for the re election of the Albanese government 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.800 if the criteria is whether Australians are better off than 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:09.079 before they came to office. In fact, the only people 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:13.319 better off under the Albanezy government are the Palestinians given 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.480 visas to settle here from Hamas controlled Gaza. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.160 Okay, a lot coming up tonight. 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.400 But let's get into that now with Coalition Senator Matt 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.840 Canavan and WA Liberal leader Basil Zamplis. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.200 Welcome to you both. 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.120 Basil, do you think what we've seen, I mean, what 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.640 we've seen from this campaign so far. You've got to 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.840 say it's more egregious than the usual spin. This is 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.920 getting to the point of enormous untruths about Coalition policy. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.559 There have been moments in this campaign which have underwhelmed people. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.079 I accept that, but they have you're quiet, Rd Cherry. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.920 There have been moments when the script hasn't gone through 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.200 any prof for fact checking unless it has just been delivered. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.840 And I guess it says a little bit about people's 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.880 awareness of Australian politics and their ability to actually prosecute 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.320 what is right and what is not right, because there 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.120 is no doubt there have been and we heard Chris Dare, 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.040 who's now the editor in chief of the West Australian 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.320 here in Perth, say there have been elements of deceit. 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.440 There's a newspaper editor calling it out, and yet it 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.720 continues to happen. So what does it say? Does tell 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:30.920 us a lot about Anthony Albanezi, does it tell us 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:32.720 a lot about the state of politics at the moment 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.320 in Australia, or does it tell us something of the 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.160 levels of apathy of the voting public. There's a few 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:38.880 questions there. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.160 I know, Matt Canavan, you know, what do you think 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.240 about what I said just there in those opening remarks 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:49.120 that the coalition's lines and slogans should have been sharper 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.200 and tougher, you know a bit of the twenty thirteen 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:54.320 Tony Abbott campaign. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.800 Look, I'll let you chart you make those judgments. You're 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.440 the umpire in that respect. I'm on the field. I'm 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:05.880 on the paddocker trying to win votes. So now it's 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.840 not the time to assess that, but it is absolutely 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.440 the case. I'll take this opportunity to point out the 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.560 truth of what the Labor Party are running on in 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.200 this campaign. They will, if they get back in power, 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.520 try to tax unrealized gains. So that means if every year, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.560 not only we have to fill out an income tax reform, 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.800 you have to fill out a capital gains tax form 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:26.800 as well every year because if your shares have gone 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.280 up a little bit, you'll be presented with a tax 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.360 bill without the sale of those shares. Necessarily. It can 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.320 even affect farmers who have their farm in superannuation. How 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:37.800 are you going to sell off part of your farm 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.440 to fund a capital gains tax bill? It is absolutely 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.320 ludicrous and that's what this mob is putting forward. This 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.400 mob is putting forward a plan that will cost six 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.520 hundred billion dollars through wind and solar and transmission lines 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.280 which will destroy our environment and are clearly pushing up 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.120 power prices. And that's flowing through to the cost of everything. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:57.880 The other day, I did a shop. I shopped like 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.760 it was twenty twenty two. I got old twenty two 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.160 two twenty two catalogs. Did a shop that would have 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.200 cost one hundred and thirty two dollars then today cost 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.360 two hundred and fifteen dollars, up sixty three percent in 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.760 just three years. I don't know how families are suffering. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.560 That's why this government deserves to go, because they've lost 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.480 control of ranji system, lost control of prices in our shops, 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.600 and they have these radical plans to put more taxes 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:20.920 on struggling Australians. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.960 Yeah, and we've got someone and Ronni Kahan coming up 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.080 in the show later to speak about just how tough 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.200 families are doing it, and you know what she's going 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.880 to tell us is truly alarming, you know, families who've 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.400 never had any sort of distress before turning to charities. Now, 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.800 one of the weirdest aspects of this campaign, though, was 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.080 and at the time it didn't seem like a big deal. Okay, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.200 the Prime Minister fell off the stage. But this has 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.840 become an ongoing political problem for him because he then 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:51.720 lied about it. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.520 He said he didn't fall off the stage. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.960 And this is one of those, I suppose moments that 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:01.080 have really resonated and cut through with voters. He finally 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.920 today at this same West Australian Leadership breakfast, he finally 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.760 today seemed to admit that, Yep, he did fall off 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:09.159 the stage. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.400 Have a look, what's the worst moment of this campaign 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:12.960 so far? 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:15.679 Probably falling off the stage. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.160 Now you said that was not a fall, You said 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.919 I didn't involuntary losses. 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:24.800 I sort of stepped up there. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.400 See here this is called good occupational health and safety. 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.359 There's white there that wasn't there. Good on w A 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.280 heavily unionized. 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:35.320 All right. 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.000 So he brought that up himself and he described it 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.720 as a fall. But then he had the audacity to 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.400 tell the media later that they shouldn't even be asking 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:45.000 him about it. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.400 Have a look, it was a joke. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.720 It was a joke. Chill out. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:55.159 At the time. I stumbled, that's what happened. I laughed 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.119 about it at the time. I laughed about it. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.800 Since it's no big deal. Well, I fell for Newcastle 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:02.760 a long time ago. 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.080 I mean, for a man who's meant to be good 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.520 at politics, it's extraordinary that he brought this topic up 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.119 a game today of his own volition. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.000 He put it back on the agenda. Massive own goal. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:15.119 A Bazil. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.679 A friend of mine saw the headlines today in passing 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.399 when she was at work and I was on the 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.359 phone tour, and she said to me, why does hal 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.320 Ben Easy keep falling off the stage? You know, she 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:25.760 thought it had happened again. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.040 This is an own goal. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.359 What's wrong with him that he brought it up again 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.440 and he still can't get his story straight about whether 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:32.960 he fell. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:33.679 Or didn't fall. 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.000 It's a very strange thing to have happened, the whole 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.879 lot of it. I mean, he clearly he stumbled or 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.280 tumbled whatever it was. Now, we don't like highlighting those things. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.520 They happen, we get it. I'm not sure why he 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.720 didn't own it at the time, and then I'm not 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.679 sure why in the days that followed, when it continued 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.080 to be an issue, he didn't go, look, you know, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.520 yes I did fall as we have seen and know, 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.359 if you own it, if you own a mistake, own 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.560 a poor choice of words, people get on with it. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.159 And now here it is again bubbling away. So he 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.639 has not handled this well. And the misstep is not 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.840 a big deal, we get it. But the way he's 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.800 misspoken about it so many times that doesn't make sense. 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:15.679 It defires logic. 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.040 And that's why I think this moment is cut through. 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.280 I mean, on the day that it happened, we barely 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.840 covered it. We just covered it in passing on this program. 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.080 But it ended up being one of those moments Matt 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:31.160 that resonated with viewers, with Australians because how he kept 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:32.960 lying about it, And you think, well, if you can't 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.720 tell the truth about falling off the stage, then what 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:37.040 else is he lying about? 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.199 Well, exactly right, Shari, it is a bit of trivia 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.280 if you like, and I'm sure the Prime Minister he 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.679 seems to want to dismiss it as trivial. The problem is, 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.680 if I can paraphrase Paul Kelly, from little lies, big 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.800 lies grow and if someone's going to lie about small 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.560 things like this, it then does grow into a lie 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:59.800 about cutting your power bills by children. So if I've 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:01.919 do and how else can you trust this guy what 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.720 he's saying this time? So I think there is a 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.640 lot of question about the Prime Minister's trust at this election. 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.240 It's white people are ready to consider a change. And 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.680 I've been on the pre polsy for three days now 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.000 and there's a lot of people struggling this country, a 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.520 lot of people who want change, and I think some 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:18.920 of these polls might be a bit off. 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.479 Yeah, well, that's interesting that you say that. I've been 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.680 talking about that on the show this week. So whether 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.880 the national polls, you know, one thousand or so voters 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.359 nationally are not reflecting what people are seeing on the ground. So, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.640 just to pick you up on that a bit further, Matt, 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.320 So you think what you're seeing on the ground points 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.000 to a stronger result for the coalition. 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.600 Look, I've never had a more positive vibe on booth. 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:48.680 So obviously you don't win them all, but I've started 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.680 in Rocky Yupoon, maybe Wappa Mackay, I'm here in air 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.040 right now, is in Townsville today, And yeah, it's just 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:57.840 there's for our side. There's a real mood for that 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:59.920 change and shift. I mean, the problem for this gup 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.720 and is the current conditions in this country are not good. 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:06.480 Everything nothing seems to be working anymore in our country. 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.639 Our roads aren't working, at hospitals aren't working. Lots of 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:13.159 people complaining about that. Obviously. I've mentioned the ridiculous prices. 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.119 Every time you could go to the grocery store and 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.560 you see that little counter on the checkout, run up 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.520 the score. Everything seems to be broken this country. So 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.080 you've only got a choice that this election to have 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:24.640 more of the same, because that's what the Labor Party 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.480 are offering. They're not saying they're going to do anything different. 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.679 They're going to keep going. I think everything's great, So 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:30.960 that's more of the same. The other choices are change, 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.119 and I think people are voting for that change of 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:33.600 this election. 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.840 It's interesting because I think there is very different sentiments 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.800 in different parts of the country and in many areas 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:45.520 of Australia, people are worried about their safety. They've seen 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:50.600 crime waves in Queensland, in Northern Territory, parts of Victoria 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.440 as well. And then today we have this terrible story 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.119 the alleged murder of a supermarket owner, Linford Feek in 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:58.160 the Northern Territory. 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:02.840 I mean he's seventy one. Man was seventy one. And 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:05.080 Leah Mendes in The. 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:09.520 Australian has revealed exclusively today that the Darwin teenager who 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:14.119 allegedly stabbed him was on bail after being charged for 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:18.040 multiple violent offenses, including aggravated assault and even rape. 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:19.720 So on bail for rape and. 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:23.880 Then allegedly murdered a beloved seventy one year old Basil. 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:28.480 This speaks to the physical insecurity that many Australians are 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:30.360 experiencing around the country. 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.840 Yeah, and an absolutely tragic set of circumstances. And we 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:39.040 appreciate it is alleged at the moment what is said 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:43.680 to have taken place, but Australians right around the country, 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.600 wherever they live, expect that the judiciary will keep violent 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:51.600