Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
Speaker 3: Good Evening Tonight, A top newspaper editor accuses Anthony Alberzi
Speaker 3: of running a shameless, deceitful campaign to his face. That
Speaker 3: explosive accusation.
Speaker 1: In a moment. Plus, Albanzi under fire again, this time.
Speaker 3: For backing a candidate who shared Nazi imagery of Peter
Speaker 3: Dutton and called him a monster. His praise raising serious questions,
Speaker 3: and he still can't get his story straight. Albanezi drags
Speaker 3: up his own stage stumble yet again. It's an own goal,
Speaker 3: yet he can't get his story straight.
Speaker 1: It's clearly keeping him up at night.
Speaker 3: And when young Australians fight to defend our nation, I'll
Speaker 3: bring you research into this with Liberal MP and former
Speaker 3: soldier Keith Wallahan.
Speaker 1: This on the eve of Anzac Day. Also tonight, the
Speaker 1: cost of Living laid bare.
Speaker 3: Oz Harvest founder Ronny Kahn joins me live with a
Speaker 3: powerful message to both major parties. And it's another night
Speaker 3: of great guests with Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplis, Sophie Elsworth
Speaker 3: at Vatican City and Warren Hogan. But first tonight, Albinizi
Speaker 3: is lifting in the polls, but he's doing so through
Speaker 3: untruthful scare campaigns. If the same tactics were used against him,
Speaker 3: he'd call it misinformation. Donald Trump would call it fake news.
Speaker 3: Albanezi stands in front of the Medicare backdrop, day after day,
Speaker 3: the implication that Peter Dutton would slash Medicare. It's not true,
Speaker 3: but that doesn't matter to this Prime minister. As Cameron
Speaker 3: Milner wrote this week, Albanezi is like the used car
Speaker 3: salesman father in Roll Doll's book Matilda, making big promises,
Speaker 3: then whine back the eudometer and stuffing sawdust in the gearbox,
Speaker 3: and when he's caught out, no apologies, only excuses. He
Speaker 3: can't even admit he's misled Australians on power prices. He
Speaker 3: promised they'd fall two hundred and seventy five dollars ninety
Speaker 3: seven times before the last election.
Speaker 1: Now obfuscation and deflection.
Speaker 4: When will we see our power bills come down?
Speaker 2: They are?
Speaker 5: Well, what we know is that renewables are the cheapest
Speaker 5: form of power, not because of what we say, but
Speaker 5: because of what the Australian Energy market operator says. When
Speaker 5: do the bills come down and what the market is delivering?
Speaker 6: Just stick me with your plan, mister Albinezy, when will
Speaker 6: the bills come.
Speaker 5: Down under our plan? We know that renewables are the
Speaker 5: cheapest form of power. Gas is now thirteen dollars. It
Speaker 5: was thirty dollars, and when we came cheap, when we
Speaker 5: kind off, thirteen cheaper than thirty.
Speaker 3: Yet, if the national polls are correct, Albinizi is set
Speaker 3: to win again, and history also tells us this is
Speaker 3: the most likely outcome. No first term government has been
Speaker 3: defeated since the Great Depression. Even after Kevin Rudd's chaotic
Speaker 3: first term when he was unceremoniously rolled as Prime Minister
Speaker 3: by his own colleagues, the Coalition couldn't win. In twenty
Speaker 3: ten there was a hung Parliament, as you'll recall, and
Speaker 3: it was the election after when Tony Abbott won in
Speaker 3: a landslide, only of course, to then be toppled by
Speaker 3: Malcolm Turnbull.
Speaker 1: Who wrongly thought he could do it better.
Speaker 3: So for Dudden to win next Saturday, it would go
Speaker 3: against the grain of history. The fact he's even in
Speaker 3: contention reflects just how poor Albanese's record.
Speaker 1: As PM really is.
Speaker 3: Think of the Voice referendum failure, releasing hundreds of criminal
Speaker 3: date detainees, and some went on to reoffend, issuing nearly
Speaker 3: three thousand visas to Gazans from a terror controlled warzone,
Speaker 3: abandoning America at the United Nations, refusing to stand up
Speaker 3: to China after Australian defense personnel were injured or threatened.
Speaker 3: The Big Australia agenda, with one million new immigrants, crashing
Speaker 3: housing supply, the conflicts of interest in the Made in
Speaker 3: Australia deals, the misinformation legislation that was thankfully scuttled. Electricity
Speaker 3: prices up thirty two percent despite promising the two to
Speaker 3: seventy five cut, twelve interest rate hikes just to top
Speaker 3: it all off, no signature reform, there, no legacy, just damage.
Speaker 3: Dutton has put forward major reform his nuclear policy, gas
Speaker 3: expansion and greater defense spending. He also wants to embark
Speaker 3: on major tax reform if he wins government.
Speaker 1: I mentioned this last night.
Speaker 3: Dudden wants to index personal income tax brackets so they're
Speaker 3: in line with inflation. He made the case for this
Speaker 3: in an interview with the Australians Editor at large Paul
Speaker 3: Kelly and Dennis Shanahan.
Speaker 7: I want to see us move as quickly as we
Speaker 7: can as a country to changes around personal income tax,
Speaker 7: including indexation, because bracket creep, as we know, is a
Speaker 7: killer in the economy and it stifles productivity and entrepreneurialism
Speaker 7: and hard work, etc. But we need to do it
Speaker 7: at a time where the budget can afford to do so.
Speaker 3: This is brilliant policy, much needed reform, because the issue
Speaker 3: is that even if wages are growing slightly, bracket creep
Speaker 3: is pushing workers into higher tax brackets. At the same time,
Speaker 3: inflation means you're purchasing power is shrinking.
Speaker 1: So look at it this way.
Speaker 3: Without adjusting the tax thresholds to account for the historic
Speaker 3: inflation we've experienced, this government has presided over, in effect,
Speaker 3: a massive tax increase, and it's a tax increase by stealth.
Speaker 3: Chief economist at the IPA, Adam Crichton calls this immoral.
Speaker 4: The lack of indexation is basically a totally unlegislated tax
Speaker 4: increase every year. It's completely immoral and just as the
Speaker 4: opposition letters said, you know, it kills entrepreneurialism, it kills productivity.
Speaker 4: Most serious countries in the world already do this, the
Speaker 4: United States, France, Canada, Germany. I mean, you know, we
Speaker 4: index our pensions. We index our family benefits every year,
Speaker 4: but poor old taxpayer doesn't get any indexation, and that
Speaker 4: effectively means a tax increase every year, and that is
Speaker 4: the only way the governments of both persuasions can just
Speaker 4: keep increasing their spending every year.
Speaker 3: Reform in this area is supported by the former head
Speaker 3: of the Productivity Commission, Michael Brennan, who says it's possible
Speaker 3: that the ability to raise revenue through bracket creep is
Speaker 3: on balance making it easier for the size of government
Speaker 3: to just grow and for income tax to bear the
Speaker 3: burden without requiring legislative scrutiny. And highly respected economist Chris
Speaker 3: Richardson says that the average full time worker in just
Speaker 3: six years time will move from the thirty percent to
Speaker 3: the thirty seven percent tax bracket. He says this wouldn't
Speaker 3: happen with indexation. He says, Australia may be a first
Speaker 3: world nation, but we increasingly have a third rate tax system.
Speaker 3: It last got a spit and polish a quarter of
Speaker 3: a century ago, with the subsequent neglect leaving it ever
Speaker 3: more reliant on a handful of increasingly damaging taxes. Now,
Speaker 3: I asked Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor about this idea of
Speaker 3: indexing tax thresholds recently, and he didn't rule it out
Speaker 3: in the future, but said that spending levels and debt
Speaker 3: were too high to implement right now. But I think
Speaker 3: most people don't realize that Australia has one of the
Speaker 3: highest personal income tax rates in the world. The government
Speaker 3: is just collecting more and more personal income tax to
Speaker 3: fund their big spending agenda.
Speaker 1: So reform here is urgent.
Speaker 3: And I think it's a pity that Dutton didn't announce
Speaker 3: this policy in his Budget reply speech and.
Speaker 1: Then campaign hard on it.
Speaker 3: The coalition campaign should have been bolder and embraced Dutton's
Speaker 3: own instincts on policy, like on this one. Unfortunately, other
Speaker 3: members of his team argued against it. So it's not
Speaker 3: that the Coalition doesn't have the ideas, it's that they
Speaker 3: thought they could win without putting the policy reform on
Speaker 3: the table. As economics editor at The finn Review, John
Speaker 3: Ko wrote, if Dutton had campaigned on this from the start,
Speaker 3: he would have given himself a better shot at winning
Speaker 3: the election, and I agree, especially when you consider Alban
Speaker 3: Eze's record. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott used to think
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five was the most consequential election in our
Speaker 3: history because GoF Whitlam's government was our worst ever and
Speaker 3: because voters had to ratify his dismissal. But Abbott says
Speaker 3: that he believes that this election is now more consequential.
Speaker 3: He writes because the Albaneze government has a worse record
Speaker 3: of economic vandalism, not just massively expanding the size of
Speaker 3: government but also helping to create an unprecedented.
Speaker 1: Fall in living standards.
Speaker 3: What's more, Whitlam seemed like an aberration, whereas the alban
Speaker 3: Ezy government is making green left politics the new normal
Speaker 3: and is basically indifferent to the point of contemptuous of
Speaker 3: the Anglo Celtic culture and Judeo Christian ethic that has made.
Speaker 1: Modern Australia so great.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: In my view, it wouldn't have been the West idea
Speaker 3: to draft Abbot into the coalition campaign as a high
Speaker 3: level advisor because the case against the Albanezy government is strong,
Speaker 3: but the messaging needed to be sharper, tougher. And look
Speaker 3: at these succinct and brutal lines from Abbot in that
Speaker 3: article in The Australian. He said the fundamental distinction between
Speaker 3: the Government and the opposition's housing policies is that Labour
Speaker 3: wants to create more renters while the Coalition wants to
Speaker 3: create more owners. And on immigration, Labour's okay with migrants
Speaker 3: living in Hotel Australia, but the Coalition wants everyone to
Speaker 3: join Team Australia. And he writes that the armed forces
Speaker 3: are for to tring our potential.
Speaker 1: Enemies, not just disaster relief.
Speaker 3: There's plenty of material for the Coalition to work with
Speaker 3: and Darton is on a daily basis highlighting the lines
Speaker 3: of the Labor campaign and even the media can see it.
Speaker 3: The country's most experienced a newspaper editor, Christopher Dare said
Speaker 3: today that Albanezy had run a shameless, outrageous and deceitful campaign.
Speaker 3: He made the comments right to his face at the
Speaker 3: West Australian Leadership Breakfast.
Speaker 8: On that day. I pointed out that you are conducting
Speaker 8: a masterful campaign, a masterclass really built on the maybe
Speaker 8: Graham richardson whatever it takes approach to victory, dabbling in
Speaker 8: a little bit of deceit, cycling through the spin, unrelenting,
Speaker 8: uncompromising at times, a little bit outrageous, but a brilliant campaign.
Speaker 8: So far you are prepared. You never leave without your
Speaker 8: Medicare card. You are confident, so much so you let
Speaker 8: Chris Bowen speak publicly, and you are shameless.
Speaker 3: If Albanezey wasn't too sure about those lines, well, his
Speaker 3: smile got tighter and tighter, and the next made him
Speaker 3: visibly squirm.
Speaker 8: While you don't even know the name of the Greens
Speaker 8: candidate in your seat this time around. It wasn't always
Speaker 8: the way. If it were not for the Save our
Speaker 8: Elbow campaign we ran in twenty sixteen while I was
Speaker 8: editing the Daily Telegraph in your hometown, you would have
Speaker 8: most likely lost your seat in Parliament to a Green opponent.
Speaker 8: To this day, Bill Shorten and Tanya Plivsek have never
Speaker 8: forgiven me.
Speaker 3: Bill Shorton and Tania pliver Sk have never forgiven him.
Speaker 3: That's what Christopherdoor said. Well, in my view, neither will
Speaker 3: the rest of Australia forgive him, because there is virtually
Speaker 3: no case for the re election of the Albanese government
Speaker 3: if the criteria is whether Australians are better off than
Speaker 3: before they came to office. In fact, the only people
Speaker 3: better off under the Albanezy government are the Palestinians given
Speaker 3: visas to settle here from Hamas controlled Gaza.
Speaker 1: Okay, a lot coming up tonight.
Speaker 3: But let's get into that now with Coalition Senator Matt
Speaker 3: Canavan and WA Liberal leader Basil Zamplis.
Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3: Basil, do you think what we've seen, I mean, what
Speaker 3: we've seen from this campaign so far. You've got to
Speaker 3: say it's more egregious than the usual spin. This is
Speaker 3: getting to the point of enormous untruths about Coalition policy.
Speaker 2: There have been moments in this campaign which have underwhelmed people.
Speaker 2: I accept that, but they have you're quiet, Rd Cherry.
Speaker 2: There have been moments when the script hasn't gone through
Speaker 2: any prof for fact checking unless it has just been delivered.
Speaker 2: And I guess it says a little bit about people's
Speaker 2: awareness of Australian politics and their ability to actually prosecute
Speaker 2: what is right and what is not right, because there
Speaker 2: is no doubt there have been and we heard Chris Dare,
Speaker 2: who's now the editor in chief of the West Australian
Speaker 2: here in Perth, say there have been elements of deceit.
Speaker 2: There's a newspaper editor calling it out, and yet it
Speaker 2: continues to happen. So what does it say? Does tell
Speaker 2: us a lot about Anthony Albanezi, does it tell us
Speaker 2: a lot about the state of politics at the moment
Speaker 2: in Australia, or does it tell us something of the
Speaker 2: levels of apathy of the voting public. There's a few
Speaker 2: questions there.
Speaker 3: I know, Matt Canavan, you know, what do you think
Speaker 3: about what I said just there in those opening remarks
Speaker 3: that the coalition's lines and slogans should have been sharper
Speaker 3: and tougher, you know a bit of the twenty thirteen
Speaker 3: Tony Abbott campaign.
Speaker 6: Look, I'll let you chart you make those judgments. You're
Speaker 6: the umpire in that respect. I'm on the field. I'm
Speaker 6: on the paddocker trying to win votes. So now it's
Speaker 6: not the time to assess that, but it is absolutely
Speaker 6: the case. I'll take this opportunity to point out the
Speaker 6: truth of what the Labor Party are running on in
Speaker 6: this campaign. They will, if they get back in power,
Speaker 6: try to tax unrealized gains. So that means if every year,
Speaker 6: not only we have to fill out an income tax reform,
Speaker 6: you have to fill out a capital gains tax form
Speaker 6: as well every year because if your shares have gone
Speaker 6: up a little bit, you'll be presented with a tax
Speaker 6: bill without the sale of those shares. Necessarily. It can
Speaker 6: even affect farmers who have their farm in superannuation. How
Speaker 6: are you going to sell off part of your farm
Speaker 6: to fund a capital gains tax bill? It is absolutely
Speaker 6: ludicrous and that's what this mob is putting forward. This
Speaker 6: mob is putting forward a plan that will cost six
Speaker 6: hundred billion dollars through wind and solar and transmission lines
Speaker 6: which will destroy our environment and are clearly pushing up
Speaker 6: power prices. And that's flowing through to the cost of everything.
Speaker 6: The other day, I did a shop. I shopped like
Speaker 6: it was twenty twenty two. I got old twenty two
Speaker 6: two twenty two catalogs. Did a shop that would have
Speaker 6: cost one hundred and thirty two dollars then today cost
Speaker 6: two hundred and fifteen dollars, up sixty three percent in
Speaker 6: just three years. I don't know how families are suffering.
Speaker 6: That's why this government deserves to go, because they've lost
Speaker 6: control of ranji system, lost control of prices in our shops,
Speaker 6: and they have these radical plans to put more taxes
Speaker 6: on struggling Australians.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've got someone and Ronni Kahan coming up
Speaker 3: in the show later to speak about just how tough
Speaker 3: families are doing it, and you know what she's going
Speaker 3: to tell us is truly alarming, you know, families who've
Speaker 3: never had any sort of distress before turning to charities. Now,
Speaker 3: one of the weirdest aspects of this campaign, though, was
Speaker 3: and at the time it didn't seem like a big deal. Okay,
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister fell off the stage. But this has
Speaker 3: become an ongoing political problem for him because he then
Speaker 3: lied about it.
Speaker 1: He said he didn't fall off the stage.
Speaker 3: And this is one of those, I suppose moments that
Speaker 3: have really resonated and cut through with voters. He finally
Speaker 3: today at this same West Australian Leadership breakfast, he finally
Speaker 3: today seemed to admit that, Yep, he did fall off
Speaker 3: the stage.
Speaker 6: Have a look, what's the worst moment of this campaign
Speaker 6: so far?
Speaker 5: Probably falling off the stage.
Speaker 7: Now you said that was not a fall, You said
Speaker 7: I didn't involuntary losses.
Speaker 1: I sort of stepped up there.
Speaker 5: See here this is called good occupational health and safety.
Speaker 5: There's white there that wasn't there. Good on w A
Speaker 5: heavily unionized.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: So he brought that up himself and he described it
Speaker 3: as a fall. But then he had the audacity to
Speaker 3: tell the media later that they shouldn't even be asking
Speaker 3: him about it.
Speaker 1: Have a look, it was a joke.
Speaker 5: It was a joke. Chill out.
Speaker 1: At the time. I stumbled, that's what happened. I laughed
Speaker 1: about it at the time. I laughed about it.
Speaker 5: Since it's no big deal. Well, I fell for Newcastle
Speaker 5: a long time ago.
Speaker 3: I mean, for a man who's meant to be good
Speaker 3: at politics, it's extraordinary that he brought this topic up
Speaker 3: a game today of his own volition.
Speaker 1: He put it back on the agenda. Massive own goal.
Speaker 1: A Bazil.
Speaker 3: A friend of mine saw the headlines today in passing
Speaker 3: when she was at work and I was on the
Speaker 3: phone tour, and she said to me, why does hal
Speaker 3: Ben Easy keep falling off the stage? You know, she
Speaker 3: thought it had happened again.
Speaker 1: This is an own goal.
Speaker 3: What's wrong with him that he brought it up again
Speaker 3: and he still can't get his story straight about whether
Speaker 3: he fell.
Speaker 1: Or didn't fall.
Speaker 2: It's a very strange thing to have happened, the whole
Speaker 2: lot of it. I mean, he clearly he stumbled or
Speaker 2: tumbled whatever it was. Now, we don't like highlighting those things.
Speaker 2: They happen, we get it. I'm not sure why he
Speaker 2: didn't own it at the time, and then I'm not
Speaker 2: sure why in the days that followed, when it continued
Speaker 2: to be an issue, he didn't go, look, you know,
Speaker 2: yes I did fall as we have seen and know,
Speaker 2: if you own it, if you own a mistake, own
Speaker 2: a poor choice of words, people get on with it.
Speaker 2: And now here it is again bubbling away. So he
Speaker 2: has not handled this well. And the misstep is not
Speaker 2: a big deal, we get it. But the way he's
Speaker 2: misspoken about it so many times that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: It defires logic.
Speaker 3: And that's why I think this moment is cut through.
Speaker 3: I mean, on the day that it happened, we barely
Speaker 3: covered it. We just covered it in passing on this program.
Speaker 3: But it ended up being one of those moments Matt
Speaker 3: that resonated with viewers, with Australians because how he kept
Speaker 3: lying about it, And you think, well, if you can't
Speaker 3: tell the truth about falling off the stage, then what
Speaker 3: else is he lying about?
Speaker 6: Well, exactly right, Shari, it is a bit of trivia
Speaker 6: if you like, and I'm sure the Prime Minister he
Speaker 6: seems to want to dismiss it as trivial. The problem is,
Speaker 6: if I can paraphrase Paul Kelly, from little lies, big
Speaker 6: lies grow and if someone's going to lie about small
Speaker 6: things like this, it then does grow into a lie
Speaker 6: about cutting your power bills by children. So if I've
Speaker 6: do and how else can you trust this guy what
Speaker 6: he's saying this time? So I think there is a
Speaker 6: lot of question about the Prime Minister's trust at this election.
Speaker 6: It's white people are ready to consider a change. And
Speaker 6: I've been on the pre polsy for three days now
Speaker 6: and there's a lot of people struggling this country, a
Speaker 6: lot of people who want change, and I think some
Speaker 6: of these polls might be a bit off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's interesting that you say that. I've been
Speaker 3: talking about that on the show this week. So whether
Speaker 3: the national polls, you know, one thousand or so voters
Speaker 3: nationally are not reflecting what people are seeing on the ground. So,
Speaker 3: just to pick you up on that a bit further, Matt,
Speaker 3: So you think what you're seeing on the ground points
Speaker 3: to a stronger result for the coalition.
Speaker 6: Look, I've never had a more positive vibe on booth.
Speaker 6: So obviously you don't win them all, but I've started
Speaker 6: in Rocky Yupoon, maybe Wappa Mackay, I'm here in air
Speaker 6: right now, is in Townsville today, And yeah, it's just
Speaker 6: there's for our side. There's a real mood for that
Speaker 6: change and shift. I mean, the problem for this gup
Speaker 6: and is the current conditions in this country are not good.
Speaker 6: Everything nothing seems to be working anymore in our country.
Speaker 6: Our roads aren't working, at hospitals aren't working. Lots of
Speaker 6: people complaining about that. Obviously. I've mentioned the ridiculous prices.
Speaker 6: Every time you could go to the grocery store and
Speaker 6: you see that little counter on the checkout, run up
Speaker 6: the score. Everything seems to be broken this country. So
Speaker 6: you've only got a choice that this election to have
Speaker 6: more of the same, because that's what the Labor Party
Speaker 6: are offering. They're not saying they're going to do anything different.
Speaker 6: They're going to keep going. I think everything's great, So
Speaker 6: that's more of the same. The other choices are change,
Speaker 6: and I think people are voting for that change of
Speaker 6: this election.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I think there is very different sentiments
Speaker 3: in different parts of the country and in many areas
Speaker 3: of Australia, people are worried about their safety. They've seen
Speaker 3: crime waves in Queensland, in Northern Territory, parts of Victoria
Speaker 3: as well. And then today we have this terrible story
Speaker 3: the alleged murder of a supermarket owner, Linford Feek in
Speaker 3: the Northern Territory.
Speaker 1: I mean he's seventy one. Man was seventy one. And
Speaker 1: Leah Mendes in The.
Speaker 3: Australian has revealed exclusively today that the Darwin teenager who
Speaker 3: allegedly stabbed him was on bail after being charged for
Speaker 3: multiple violent offenses, including aggravated assault and even rape.
Speaker 1: So on bail for rape and.
Speaker 3: Then allegedly murdered a beloved seventy one year old Basil.
Speaker 3: This speaks to the physical insecurity that many Australians are
Speaker 3: experiencing around the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and an absolutely tragic set of circumstances. And we
Speaker 2: appreciate it is alleged at the moment what is said
Speaker 2: to have taken place, but Australians right around the country,
Speaker 2: wherever they live, expect that the judiciary will keep violent
Speaker 2: offenders locked up and not let them out on the streets.
Speaker 2: There is an expectation around Australia, wherever you live, and
Speaker 2: whatever political persuasion, by the way you might follow or
Speaker 2: might support, that we will be safe in our streets,
Speaker 2: in our neighborhoods and in our homes. And if that's
Speaker 2: not happening, When that is not happening, there is a
Speaker 2: breakdown that no Australian feels comfortable about.
Speaker 1: And again deeper sympathies to the.
Speaker 2: Family of the deceased and a strong condemnation of that
Speaker 2: sort of thing being able to happen.
Speaker 3: No exactly, just so so sad, such a devastating thing.
Speaker 3: I mean it was just standing there in his own shop.
Speaker 3: Now he lives no longer.
Speaker 1: Madam.
Speaker 3: Want to ask you about Labour's candidate in Peter Dutton's
Speaker 3: Seed of Dixon. This was an exclusive by Sam Maiden.
Speaker 3: Today she revealed that Ali France, the Labor candidate, has
Speaker 3: said that Israel is an openly racist Apartheit regime, and
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen she posted on social media a picture
Speaker 3: where Peter Dutton appears as a Nazi. You can see
Speaker 3: that right there. Yet Alban Easy backed her nities press
Speaker 3: conference today, we do have the comments I'm not going
Speaker 3: to play them now. But Albanez, he backed her in,
Speaker 3: praised her, not one mentioned, not one condemnation, what not
Speaker 3: one harsh word about what she'd posted. I mean, Matt,
Speaker 3: you think how hard Labor went over liberal candidates like
Speaker 3: Catherine Deeves.
Speaker 1: He said controversial things online.
Speaker 3: At the last election. He claims character matters. He's trying
Speaker 3: to re He's trying to frame this election as a
Speaker 3: referendum on Dunn's character like he did with Morrison. But
Speaker 3: now character is irrelevant when it's his own female candidate.
Speaker 6: Well, Shari, the last few days you've seen controversy over
Speaker 6: the Prime minister preference put his second preference indeed to
Speaker 6: a Green's care that's saying the most horrific radical things online,
Speaker 6: and the defense there was all we have to preference
Speaker 6: some people. It's the best of a bad bunch. But
Speaker 6: this this, these posts come from an endorsed Labor candidate,
Speaker 6: someone that they are backing that. As you said today,
Speaker 6: the prime ministers doubled down on This is the kind
Speaker 6: of radical views that occur in the modern Labor Party.
Speaker 6: They're not the Labor party that your father or grandfather supported.
Speaker 6: They're no longer that interested in workers' rights, in protecting
Speaker 6: the jobs of workers up here in Central and North Queensland.
Speaker 6: They're more interested in these radical fringe university agendas like
Speaker 6: freeing Palestine, which have very little relevance to the real
Speaker 6: lives that people are struggling with right now in this country.
Speaker 6: This is just a small tip of the iceberg that
Speaker 6: we're seeing with these posts. But underneath the water these
Speaker 6: views are rampant. These radical left wing views a rampant
Speaker 6: within the modern Labor Party. That's why they so often
Speaker 6: are disconnected to the struggles that average in real world
Speaker 6: Australian space.
Speaker 3: Indeed, I just want to end on a lighter note.
Speaker 3: I mean, we know Daniel Andrews is now very unpopular
Speaker 3: in Victoria. He's been desperate to join a golf club
Speaker 3: since he quit politics, and the Herald Sun reports that
Speaker 3: he was accepted as a member of the Mornington Pinionsilla
Speaker 3: Club golf club last week, but now after an uproar
Speaker 3: from members, he's been dumped. Bazzword seems no one wants
Speaker 3: to play golf on the same course as Daniel Andrews.
Speaker 2: I remain eternally confused about the goings on in Victoria,
Speaker 2: and I think many people outside of Victoria do as well.
Speaker 2: How he was able after those unbelievable periods of lockdowns
Speaker 2: to not only retain the premiership, to win government back,
Speaker 2: but to increase his margin confuses everyone, I think, other
Speaker 2: than those in Victoria. It seems now that even Victorians
Speaker 2: are confused about what happened in Victoria during that period.
Speaker 3: No, indeed, and it's affecting how this is all playing
Speaker 3: out at different golf clubs. I mean, remember Steve Price
Speaker 3: said he'd quit his golf club a different one if
Speaker 3: Daniel Andrews joined when he wanted to join. So there
Speaker 3: you go, all right, Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplus, we'll see
Speaker 3: you next Thursday. Now, let's return to Peter Dutton's tax
Speaker 3: policy on indexation that I spoke about earlier in the show,
Speaker 3: and Judobank chief economist Warren Hogan joins me. Now, Warren,
Speaker 3: thanks for your time. What's your view on this policy
Speaker 3: that Dutton's put forward? And do you think, as I
Speaker 3: spoke about, that Labor has presided over an enormous tax
Speaker 3: increase based effectively on bracket creep.
Speaker 9: Yeah, good eventhing Sherry. Now, this is excellent policy, particularly
Speaker 9: given that we're in a more inflationary world than we've
Speaker 9: seen for at least thirty or forty years, because essentially,
Speaker 9: what this bracket creep is is your pay might go
Speaker 9: up from say forty thousand dollars to fifty thousand, if
Speaker 9: inflation goes up by twenty five percent the same amount.
Speaker 9: You're no better off because your pay is going to
Speaker 9: have to go to spend the same the amount money
Speaker 9: on the same goods and services, but you go up
Speaker 9: into a higher tax bracket, so you're paying more tax.
Speaker 9: And that's what this bracket creep is. It's it's a
Speaker 9: hidden increase in taxes what economists call an increase in
Speaker 9: the real tax burden. And of course when inflation's high,
Speaker 9: it happens at a much faster rate. So this is
Speaker 9: important policy because I think one of the big challenges
Speaker 9: for our nation right now is the controlling the size
Speaker 9: of government and controlling the size of government spent, the
Speaker 9: amount of government spending, and of course bracket creep just
Speaker 9: hands the government money quite easily. So this is an
Speaker 9: important guard rail against sort of continued growth in government spending,
Speaker 9: which is putting pressure on the rest of the community.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's interesting that, as Adam Crichton told us
Speaker 3: last night that many are though even most are. The
Speaker 3: developed countries around the world do index their tax brackets
Speaker 3: to CPI, but Australia.
Speaker 1: Doesn't do this.
Speaker 3: In a way, it's almost cheating workers who are paying
Speaker 3: personal income tax. And also just how the bulk of
Speaker 3: government spends deck disproportionately is shouldered by effectively middle income Australians.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think you've just summarized it perfectly there.
Speaker 9: Not only do we not index tax brackets, and what
Speaker 9: that simply means that if inflation or more particularly your
Speaker 9: wages go up by four percent, the bracket should go
Speaker 9: up by four percent, so that the tax burden stays
Speaker 9: the same. But not only do we not do that,
Speaker 9: when half the world's advanced economies do. We are more
Speaker 9: reliant on income taxes than most other countries, just about
Speaker 9: all countries. And of course this is a tax on
Speaker 9: incentive to work, and that's also a problem in a
Speaker 9: world where now're in where there is labor shortages and
Speaker 9: we want to encourage people to work. So we really
Speaker 9: have the tax mix wrong. We have the tax system
Speaker 9: getting more and more skewed. And another issue I think
Speaker 9: which is going to be increasingly problematic in our community.
Speaker 9: Is there's going to be this tax burden on your
Speaker 9: younger Australians or working age Australians having the fund the
Speaker 9: government spending for a growing proportion of people in retirement.
Speaker 9: So there's a lot of reasons why this needs to
Speaker 9: be looked at and this is an important first step,
Speaker 9: but it's a vast issue that we are going to
Speaker 9: have to address our tech system in the next five
Speaker 9: years or we're going to have real problems before.
Speaker 3: Long Warren, you know, the Coalition put forward quite modest
Speaker 3: attempts to just get the public service back to work
Speaker 3: in Canberra right more than anyone, I support flexible working arrangements.
Speaker 1: I'm a mother.
Speaker 3: I work flexibly, but although I'm here every night, so
Speaker 3: do turn up. But Darton try to make modest efficiency
Speaker 3: savings and the Albanezy government turned this into a scare campaign.
Speaker 3: Do you think Australia is reaching the point where we're
Speaker 3: just becoming a welfare state where you know, Australians expect
Speaker 3: the government to fund every thing. The NDIS is blowing out,
Speaker 3: so many different areas are just getting larger and larger,
Speaker 3: and there is no appetite for getting the budget back
Speaker 3: in shape.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and the picture you paint there, I think is
Speaker 9: something that concerns me, and that is that an increasingly
Speaker 9: larger share of Australians and economic activity that people do
Speaker 9: is being funded by the government. And that's problematic in
Speaker 9: two respects. One is that it's costing the rest of us,
Speaker 9: or it's costing tax payers in general more and more.
Speaker 9: And the other one is this funding is not in
Speaker 9: contested markets. The idea of a market economy is there
Speaker 9: is this idea of competition where the most efficient uses
Speaker 9: for our scarce resources are found and we can see
Speaker 9: the benefits in the last thirty years. So you're exactly right.
Speaker 9: And of course there is also this issue that eventually,
Speaker 9: if you don't have a healthy private sector, that tax
Speaker 9: base is going to shrink and people, you know, there
Speaker 9: won't be the taxes to fund all these commitments the
Speaker 9: government's doing. So what you're pointing out there is exactly
Speaker 9: part of this problem. We're on an unsustainable path and
Speaker 9: it's just how we address it. And of course a
Speaker 9: smart country, just like a smart business or a smart household,
Speaker 9: when they realize something's unsustainable, they make the changes necessary,
Speaker 9: But we are und too because our politicians are unwilling
Speaker 9: to go to elections with difficult policies, which is what
Speaker 9: reform is all about.
Speaker 3: Very depressing outlook when we put it like that, Warren Hogan,
Speaker 3: always love your insights.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Thanks er now still.
Speaker 3: To come, charities are turning away families struggling with the
Speaker 3: cost of living crisis. Plus how many young Australians would
Speaker 3: actually fight to defend our nation. I'll discuss this new
Speaker 3: research with a war veteran after this quick break.
Speaker 1: Welcome back well.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow is Anzac Day, one of the most sacred days
Speaker 3: in the Australian calendar. It's a time for all of
Speaker 3: us to come together and remember those who gave their
Speaker 3: lives for our country and those who still today risk
Speaker 3: their own every single.
Speaker 1: Day to keep us safe.
Speaker 3: But this Anzac Day, we also need to think about
Speaker 3: our future. And it seems that only sixteen percent of
Speaker 3: Generation Z would sign up to defend our country. And
Speaker 3: that's according to new research from Newscorps Growth Intelligence Center.
Speaker 1: It also found that less than one.
Speaker 3: In four Australians age thirteen to twenty eight feel a
Speaker 3: strong connection to Anzac Day. Now this is extraordinary, particularly
Speaker 3: the fact that only sixteen people would sign up to
Speaker 3: defend our nation.
Speaker 1: And perhaps this is a damning indictment on the.
Speaker 3: Selfishness of the younger generation. Am I being too harshier
Speaker 3: that they aren't willing to fight for our country that
Speaker 3: is given them so much?
Speaker 1: Maybe there's just not enough gratitude today. Maybe I'm mean
Speaker 1: too harsh.
Speaker 3: Or joining me now to discuss as Liberal member for
Speaker 3: Menzies and former ad F veteran Keith Wallerhan Keith, thank
Speaker 3: you very much for your time. Does that finding depress
Speaker 3: you that only sixteen percent of Generation Z would sign
Speaker 3: up to defend our nation if we needed to do so,
Speaker 3: if we needed to send troops to war?
Speaker 10: It does, and it doesn't. On the one hand, it
Speaker 10: doesn't because if you go back through surveys in previous generations,
Speaker 10: young people have always hesitated because they don't like the
Speaker 10: idea of war. And you go back to people often
Speaker 10: quote the nineteen thirty three Oxford Union debate. We're on
Speaker 10: a two to one vote. They voted that under no
Speaker 10: circumstances would they fight for king and country. Yet six
Speaker 10: years later they did in their thousands. They didn't hesitate
Speaker 10: and behind me is a picture of those who I
Speaker 10: served within my second tour of Afghanistan in my commando company.
Speaker 10: Many of them in that photo were children when September
Speaker 10: eleven happened. They didn't turn their mind to war. When
Speaker 10: the time came to serve, they did. But on the
Speaker 10: other hand, what disturbs me is the trend. When this
Speaker 10: survey was last done, the numbers that were willing to
Speaker 10: serve were higher, So the trend is down. And I
Speaker 10: think at the heart of that is a confusion, a
Speaker 10: confusion and institutions about ugly nationalism, which no one likes.
Speaker 10: Millions of people have died from that, but healthy patriotism,
Speaker 10: and we need to lean into healthy patriotism.
Speaker 3: I mean, we owe everything to those who fought for
Speaker 3: our country and also fought for our allies in past wars.
Speaker 3: But do you think this is partly now about education,
Speaker 3: that the younger generations need to be educated about our
Speaker 3: history and what was at stake, or do you think
Speaker 3: this is also about the woke ideology where you know,
Speaker 3: people don't literally have an appetite for war anymore. I mean,
Speaker 3: we kind of saw that in a sense when Hermas
Speaker 3: massacred thousands of innocent Israelis, including killing babies, and then
Speaker 3: Israel was expected to oh, no, not go and defend,
Speaker 3: not go, and defeat Harmas you know, there was this
Speaker 3: international attitude immediately against Israel.
Speaker 10: I think we don't ask these questions enough, which is
Speaker 10: what are we fighting for and who are we fighting for?
Speaker 10: And those questions were alive in Israel from the seventh
Speaker 10: of October onwards. And it wasn't just what Israel stands
Speaker 10: for as a nation state, but it was the hostages
Speaker 10: who were kept in awful conditions and many of whom
Speaker 10: didn't make it. They were fighting for a what and
Speaker 10: a who. So we're in Australia. We have to ask
Speaker 10: ourselves who are we? Who are we? And we have
Speaker 10: this beautiful environment. We are open and free, one of
Speaker 10: the oldest continuous democracies on earth. We have amazing institutions
Speaker 10: that secure our prosperity, and people recognize that they fight
Speaker 10: to get here as migrants. I did. I wasn't born here.
Speaker 10: But more than that, they fight for it. It's a
Speaker 10: country worth fighting for and we don't celebrate that enough.
Speaker 10: We don't ask those questions, what is it that makes
Speaker 10: this a wonderful country? Because it is Keith.
Speaker 3: I think that's amazing that you weren't born in Australia,
Speaker 3: but that you chose to defend Australia, to go to
Speaker 3: war alongside Australians and risk your own life.
Speaker 10: Well behind me is a commander company. There was two
Speaker 10: platoons in that. The other platoon commander are a very
Speaker 10: good friend of mine. He also wasn't born in Australia.
Speaker 10: And many of those in that picture were migrants. The
Speaker 10: war memorial is full of people who weren't born here
Speaker 10: from every nation on Earth. I think, because when you
Speaker 10: speak to migrants we go to a citizenship ceremony, there's
Speaker 10: an extra love for this country that is maybe taken
Speaker 10: for granted if you're born here, which is you get
Speaker 10: to compare it to other places on Earth. There's nothing
Speaker 10: like this country on Earth. We don't talk about that enough,
Speaker 10: and migrants have experienced that and they're quite grateful for it,
Speaker 10: and they're always looking for a way to give back.
Speaker 10: I certainly was, and it was one of the ways
Speaker 10: that I thought that I could, But there's many other
Speaker 10: ways to give back in this country.
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful message, an incredible contribution that you personally
Speaker 3: have made Keith Wallahan thank you for joining us tonight. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: I really love that interview. All right, still to come,
Speaker 3: we'll cross live to the Vatican as world leaders land
Speaker 3: in Rome ahead of the Pope's funeral, and Ronnie Kahn
Speaker 3: will join me live as it's revealed charities are turning
Speaker 3: away desperate families. This cost of living crisis is far
Speaker 3: from over. That's coming up after.
Speaker 1: This quick break.
Speaker 3: Well, we know this is the cost of living election,
Speaker 3: but the scale of suffering in Australia right now can't
Speaker 3: be taken for granted. There are so many families battling
Speaker 3: just to put food on the table, and now we're
Speaker 3: learning that charities are struggling to keep up with the demand.
Speaker 3: OZ Harvest today released their twenty twenty five Community Needs
Speaker 3: Survey and the results are terrible. There's been a fifty
Speaker 3: four percent rise in people being turned away from charities.
Speaker 3: The charities just start unable to help those who need it.
Speaker 1: This is devastating.
Speaker 3: I mean you think of the courage that it would
Speaker 3: take parents to turn up to a charity asking for
Speaker 3: help and then to be told that they just can't
Speaker 3: do anything to help them.
Speaker 1: It's so sad and.
Speaker 3: Joining me now to discuss is OZ Harvest founder Ronnie Kahan.
Speaker 1: Ronnie, thank you very much for being here.
Speaker 3: Why our charities unable to help those who are asking
Speaker 3: for it?
Speaker 11: So Firstly, the charities hate having to say to somebody
Speaker 11: we don't have enough to help you. The challenge is
Speaker 11: the demand is huge and the resources are not meeting
Speaker 11: that demand. The gap between the need and resources has
Speaker 11: just shrunk significantly.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the really brutal end of the
Speaker 3: cost of living crisis.
Speaker 1: What is it that people most need help with?
Speaker 3: Is it food and groceries? Is it assistance to you know,
Speaker 3: keep paying their mortgage or their rent to Sherry.
Speaker 11: The challenge for a much larger demographic right now is
Speaker 11: that with housing affordability being so challenged, with fuel, with health,
Speaker 11: with energy, all of these costs are things that people
Speaker 11: can't control. The one thing they can control is how
Speaker 11: they spend their money at the supermarket, and unfortunately it's
Speaker 11: the first thing to make decisions around buying less. And
Speaker 11: that's where this challenge comes from. That allows us right
Speaker 11: now in this country to know that three point four
Speaker 11: million households are struggling at some point in the year
Speaker 11: to make ends meet. It's a whole new demographic and
Speaker 11: it's working families and single parent families that have Now
Speaker 11: a third of the new people coming to charities are
Speaker 11: from that demographic.
Speaker 3: So you're saying a third of the people coming to
Speaker 3: charges have never asked charities for help.
Speaker 11: Before, didn't even know how or where to go to
Speaker 11: for food until they've now found themselves in this position.
Speaker 3: And you're another start from your survey is that thirty
Speaker 3: one percent of people seeking food relief, that's a thirty
Speaker 3: one percent of doing it for the first time.
Speaker 1: So what are you asking the political parties.
Speaker 3: To do where obviously in the middle of an election
Speaker 3: campaign right now.
Speaker 11: So one of the things we're asking for, of course,
Speaker 11: is sustainable funding to keep us going and to allow
Speaker 11: us to deliver more food. US Harves delivers food to
Speaker 11: more than fifteen hundred charities and we have twelve hundred
Speaker 11: on a waiting list, so those are people that we
Speaker 11: can't get to. So we're looking for more funding for
Speaker 11: the sector and sustainable funding for the sector. We're also
Speaker 11: asking for a Minister for food because currently there's no
Speaker 11: one who holistically is looking after food relief food rescue
Speaker 11: currently we fall under health, agriculture, Environments, social services, so
Speaker 11: there's no one whose attention is directly on this category
Speaker 11: of need which is affecting well.
Speaker 3: Maybe it should be broader than that, Maybe it should
Speaker 3: be a cost of living minister or a poverty minister.
Speaker 1: So it's not just.
Speaker 3: Looking at food, it's looking at emergency housing and helping
Speaker 3: with clothing. I mean, if this is the state that
Speaker 3: we're in right now in Australia, where we have so
Speaker 3: many families who are desperate.
Speaker 11: Well you would think because there is a Minister for
Speaker 11: Social services, but somehow food falls under many different categories.
Speaker 11: If you don't eat well then your nutrition and health
Speaker 11: is affected. You know, it does affect so many so
Speaker 11: perhaps we need more specific ministers, but initially we think
Speaker 11: that a Minister for food would make a huge difference.
Speaker 1: Right Ronnie Kahnt.
Speaker 3: Amazing work that you do and incredible contribute to Australian society.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here.
Speaker 11: Thank you so much for the opportunity to share all.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Coming up next, we cross live to Sophiellesworth in the
Speaker 3: Vatican as world leaders arrive ahead of Saturday's funeral. She'll
Speaker 3: have the latest details on the extraordinary scenes from a
Speaker 3: city in mourning.
Speaker 1: That's next, and.
Speaker 3: Let's cross now to the Vatican as the city prepares
Speaker 3: for the Pope's funeral. Mourners are flying in from around
Speaker 3: the world to be in Rome for such an historic
Speaker 3: and moving day. News Corp Europe correspondent Sophiealesworth is there, Sophie,
Speaker 3: great to speak to you again. Tell us how the
Speaker 3: Vatican and Rome is preparing for the funeral and.
Speaker 1: Which world leaders are arriving.
Speaker 12: We'll share a lot of the streets here around Rome
Speaker 12: and leading into Vatican City are now cordered off. There's
Speaker 12: lots of security checkpoints, massive police presence everywhere you go.
Speaker 12: A lot of people are being stopped and checked asked
Speaker 12: where they're going. A lot of heavy police presents all
Speaker 12: around the city. But there's many leaders still yet to
Speaker 12: arrive here at Vatican City, Sharry, We've got many leaders
Speaker 12: from all around the world. Obviously, Donald Trump's coming in
Speaker 12: lot of Mizelinski, the Italian Prime Minister, Georgia Maloney, Emmanuel
Speaker 12: mat Cron. Of course Prince William is coming on behalf
Speaker 12: of King Charles. So there's many world leaders, dozens in fact,
Speaker 12: that will be here and that will also ramp up
Speaker 12: the security procedures that are in place for this worldwide event,
Speaker 12: which will be watched from all around the globe. Millions
Speaker 12: of people will be tuning in.
Speaker 3: I understound that the cardinals met last night and again
Speaker 3: this morning. So can you tell us who are some
Speaker 3: of the leading contenders to become the next Pope?
Speaker 12: Shaw's Sharry, So there's quite a few names being bandied
Speaker 12: around the Vatican. Secretary Petro paralon is one of the names.
Speaker 12: He's deemed is really a safe set of hands and
Speaker 12: one that could be tipped to take over from Pope Francis.
Speaker 12: And also Filipino Cardinal Tagli, his name is being suggested
Speaker 12: many times. He's obviously from the Asian region where there's
Speaker 12: massive growth for the Catholic Church. So there're two of
Speaker 12: the strong contenders. But look the city, Vatican City, the
Speaker 12: Catholic mourners are all obviously just going through the process
Speaker 12: of mourning the late Pope frances preparing for the funeral,
Speaker 12: and then of course conclave begins where they will thrash
Speaker 12: out who will be the next pontiff.
Speaker 3: When you joined us last night, very briefly, you spoke
Speaker 3: about how the lines to view the Pope's body were
Speaker 3: just so extraordinarily long that you were only given a
Speaker 3: few seconds to view the body before you were moved on.
Speaker 3: We're hearing reports that fifty thousand people, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just unbelievable. Fifty thousand people have already been to view
Speaker 3: the Pope's body.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a bit more, in.
Speaker 3: More detail, what that experience was like for you, was
Speaker 3: it moving?
Speaker 1: And also what have the lines been like today?
Speaker 12: We'll show you the lines are still enormous.
Speaker 1: This morning.
Speaker 12: I was down here very early and there were hundreds
Speaker 12: of meters of people, you know, ten twenty wide queuing
Speaker 12: to see the late Pontiff inside Saint Peter's Basilica. The
Speaker 12: crowds are not dying down. Last night, the basilica was
Speaker 12: set to close at midnight, there was such huge crowds
Speaker 12: still pouring in that it remained open through until about
Speaker 12: five or six am. Was closed for an hour and
Speaker 12: then reopened again this morning. Look, Sharry, this surreal experience.
Speaker 12: I mean I queued for three hours. I didn't use
Speaker 12: my media accreditation. I went in with the rest of
Speaker 12: the public. It was great talking to all the mourners
Speaker 12: here and all the worshipers supporters of Pope Francis who
Speaker 12: had come here to see him. But when you walk
Speaker 12: into the basilica, it is a bit of an eerie feeling.
Speaker 12: It's incredibly quiet when people get in there. I was surprised, though, Sharry.
Speaker 12: We only had about five seconds to glance at the
Speaker 12: late Pope and then we're told by security, do not stop,
Speaker 12: move on and no selfies.
Speaker 1: I mean, really.
Speaker 12: Bizarre that some people think it would be appropriate to
Speaker 12: take selfies with the Late Pont of Lyne there. He
Speaker 12: really just looks like he's sleeping.
Speaker 1: Looks very peaceful.
Speaker 12: But everyone had their arms up doing videos and photos.
Speaker 12: That's the new age, obviously, Sharry. Everyone wants to get
Speaker 12: that photo. But it was a remarkable experience and one
Speaker 12: that old cherish and certainly won't forget.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's history in the making that you're a
Speaker 3: witnessing live as a journalist covering this for us for
Speaker 3: news Corps, SOPHIEA. And it's why we've had you one
Speaker 3: every night this week since the Pope passed away, because
Speaker 3: you know, this is just such an extraordinary state of events.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us a bit more about what the
Speaker 3: atmospheres like in Vatican City at the moment, you know,
Speaker 3: it is grief the overwhelming emotion, or is there this
Speaker 3: sense of history and anticipation about who the next pope
Speaker 3: will be?
Speaker 1: Well, all of the above, Shary.
Speaker 12: I mean, there's a lot of people who were already
Speaker 12: here on holidays that happened to time their holidays with
Speaker 12: the death of Pope Francis, so their whole holidays have
Speaker 12: been completely overhauled, you know, many of them queuing to
Speaker 12: see the late pontiff. And then there's also obviously many
Speaker 12: people very sad and by his death. Others here you know,
Speaker 12: celebrating his life and saying what a great legacy he
Speaker 12: left behind twelve years as leader of the church. But
Speaker 12: on the ground, Sharry, it's chaos. The hotels are booked out,
Speaker 12: streets are busy, cars can't get through. You really have
Speaker 12: to take time to get through the crowds.
Speaker 1: It's hectic.
Speaker 12: Thankfully today it's a little bit cooler. It was very
Speaker 12: hot here yesterday, but there's a real buzz here. Many
Speaker 12: people looking forward to the funeral proceedings, a historic event
Speaker 12: that that will be, and many people will be hoping
Speaker 12: that they can catch a glimpse of the proceedings when
Speaker 12: they do start here at Vatican City ten am on Saturday.
Speaker 3: Ten am on Saturday yet which I know, we have
Speaker 3: got live coverage on Sky News from five pm on Saturday,
Speaker 3: so make sure you tune into Sky News five pm Saturday,
Speaker 3: live on the ground from Vattican City. Sophie Elsworth really
Speaker 3: appreciate your time. Thank you very much for your reporting
Speaker 3: as well, and thanks everyone for your company this week.
Speaker 3: It's been a big week, a lot of people on
Speaker 3: school holidays of course, but next week it's the final
Speaker 3: week of the election, so make sure you tune in
Speaker 3: every night at eight pm.
Speaker 1: Will have big interviews.
Speaker 3: We will not let either side, particularly the Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: Off the hook. But right now, here's Paul Murray