Speaker 1: So I was a little bit unprofessional, a little bit overweight.
Speaker 1: Couple that with working so hard, you're tired all the time.
Speaker 1: All you want to do is go to sleep, and
Speaker 1: then you miss your family, you miss your friends.
Speaker 2: I did. I was in tears a few times in
Speaker 2: the first couple of months.
Speaker 1: I think I racked my dad at one stage and
Speaker 1: said that I was going to quit before the Christmas break.
Speaker 2: At the end of my first pre season.
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to separate bathrooms.
Speaker 4: We would like to acknowledge the Gadigal people of the
Speaker 4: Eur nation, the traditional custodians of this land, and pay
Speaker 4: our respects to the elders, both past and present. I'm
Speaker 4: Ali Dado, and far far away.
Speaker 5: Is my husband, Cameron. Cameron, Cameron, daddy.
Speaker 4: I'm good. Nice to see your face.
Speaker 6: Well, I can't see you at the moment because you're
Speaker 6: not on the telly where I'm looking at you through
Speaker 6: my tin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I know. Well, you can hear my boys,
Speaker 4: That's why I can hear.
Speaker 5: Your voice, and that always sounds like a lovely tickle.
Speaker 5: Oh good, Yeah, it's beautiful hearing your voice. We're in
Speaker 5: different countries.
Speaker 4: Yeah, work has taken Cam away and I've been working
Speaker 4: here so but we've come together to talk to a
Speaker 4: really beautiful couple. We actually have our first AFL player
Speaker 4: and his wife with us.
Speaker 5: Adam Cooney.
Speaker 6: Yeah, was drafted in the AFL's two thousand and three
Speaker 6: national Draft as the number one pick. There's a lot
Speaker 6: of expectations that go.
Speaker 5: With that, as you know, Hun, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Bulldogs got him and he didn't disappoint the fans,
Speaker 6: growing in confidence each year, and in the space of
Speaker 6: four seasons, he rose to the top by winning the
Speaker 6: AFL's highest individual award, the brown Low Medal.
Speaker 4: And then he would play at the top level of
Speaker 4: AFL until twenty sixteen. That's a good career, isn't it.
Speaker 4: When he retired after a couple of seasons with someone's
Speaker 4: favorite team.
Speaker 5: Might come on the mighty.
Speaker 6: Don de Sash. He finished, He finished high and mighty.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: And in the middle of his career, Adam married his
Speaker 4: gorgeous partner, Hailey McCann. They have three kids, careers, and
Speaker 4: some great stories to share.
Speaker 6: Let's get to know the Coonies Adam and Hailey. Hey,
Speaker 6: welcome Adam and Haley to the bathroom.
Speaker 5: How are you guys.
Speaker 7: So excited to be here.
Speaker 4: It's a pleasure. Where are you, guys talking to us from?
Speaker 2: We're in our daughter's bedroom, actually, in the daughters Joe.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're trying to find the quietest place at the
Speaker 7: Cooney House and unfortunately there's not many, so Evie's room.
Speaker 7: So we're in baitsvide Sauted, Geelong, in Ebe's bedroom down
Speaker 7: Geelong Way. Yeah, yes, great spot it is. It is.
Speaker 4: We have family down and down that way.
Speaker 7: Nice you have to visit here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my folks are in Queenscliff.
Speaker 7: Oh perfect, that's beautiful, beautiful, it's really nice.
Speaker 6: Well, listen, let's dive in. Let's go, let's just get
Speaker 6: to know you a bit. So how did you guys
Speaker 6: meet and maybe what were your first impressions of each other.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a bit of conjecture actually as to the
Speaker 1: first time we actually met each other.
Speaker 7: Yeah, our stories to certainly match up.
Speaker 1: I'm claiming that we first met at Haley's house. She
Speaker 1: had a house party when I was sixteen, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't invited to the party, but me and my brother
Speaker 1: crashed and we came storming through the front door, and
Speaker 1: then Haley dragged me out the front and then said
Speaker 1: who are you?
Speaker 2: And then we locked eyes and it was love at
Speaker 2: first sight.
Speaker 7: It must be someone else, you must have another. I
Speaker 7: do not remember any of these. I actually remember meeting
Speaker 7: Adam for the first time at a friend of us
Speaker 7: who passed away tragically, which was really sad.
Speaker 4: But he's great.
Speaker 7: That's when I first remember. So, yeah, it's a bit
Speaker 7: of a confusing story actually, so really interesting.
Speaker 4: How old would you have put yourselves then, Hayley that
Speaker 4: you reckon you met Adam?
Speaker 7: Well, I was nineteen and Adam was sixteen.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, gotcha, gotcha? Wow? Okay, Well, who knows
Speaker 4: who's right?
Speaker 2: I know I'm right.
Speaker 6: I did my research on the great wonderful Wikipedia. Yes,
Speaker 6: and it tells me that Adam, you used a burger
Speaker 6: ring as a wedding ring.
Speaker 5: Well, why didn't you use a cheesel.
Speaker 2: It's an infamous story now. That one actually came out
Speaker 2: on Brownlow night when I was doing my speech.
Speaker 1: Somehow, I think it was Stephen Quatermain who was hosting
Speaker 1: the Brownlow. He must have got wind that I had
Speaker 1: asked for Haley's hand with a burgering. So I was
Speaker 1: only young. I was young, and I was very immature
Speaker 1: at that stage. I think I was twenty one, twenty one.
Speaker 1: It was twenty one when we got engaged, and we
Speaker 1: were sitting on the bed, and we've been talking.
Speaker 2: About getting married for a while.
Speaker 7: No, I had you had.
Speaker 1: Haley had been it for a little while, and I
Speaker 1: sort of thought, well, I didn't want to make them
Speaker 1: And I've said this a few times. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to make the mistake of getting her a ring that
Speaker 1: she didn't like, and I know she enjoys burgering. So
Speaker 1: I basically just went to the kitchen, came back into
Speaker 1: the bedroom, threw it at her and said, all, how
Speaker 1: about it, then, darl, that's about as romantic as it gets.
Speaker 7: True story.
Speaker 4: Have you ever tried to redo that moment again and
Speaker 4: like doing it with a little bit more pizaz, I
Speaker 4: think you deserved that, Hale.
Speaker 2: I was that was such a failure.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I still think about myself.
Speaker 2: I was just too young, don know any better?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we were pretty young. We were pretty young.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that is young. I A lot of people
Speaker 4: know this story. But when Cam asked me, he asked
Speaker 4: me in this really odd way. He said, well, it
Speaker 4: was like what did you say? And you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: should should.
Speaker 5: We get Maybe maybe we should get married.
Speaker 4: Maybe we should get married? Then and I was like,
Speaker 4: are you I think? I said, can you ask me properly?
Speaker 2: Did you have a ring? Cam?
Speaker 4: No mate, cheese or nothing?
Speaker 6: Yeah, the cheesels would have gotten burger rings would have
Speaker 6: gotten wet, and and you know it's kind of like
Speaker 6: eating Doritos.
Speaker 5: They sort of smell on.
Speaker 2: Your fingers anyway, So we actually we.
Speaker 4: Do you do? Did you frame it? Did you put
Speaker 4: in a little clear frame?
Speaker 7: It's in a little box and it sat there for
Speaker 7: about I think about eight years untouched, and then one day,
Speaker 7: three year old Evy when the burger ring and try
Speaker 7: to bite the burger ring. So it's got a chunk
Speaker 7: out of it now, but it's really gross because it
Speaker 7: really still looks like a burger ene so seventeen years ago.
Speaker 4: So what do they put in those crazy modern day preservatives?
Speaker 2: They're delicious?
Speaker 4: What was it about Adam that you knew he was
Speaker 4: the one?
Speaker 7: It sounds sounds really corny, but I looked at him
Speaker 7: the first one I ever met him, and I just
Speaker 7: loved him the minute I just laid eyes on him.
Speaker 7: And I remember it was like a movie. I was like,
Speaker 7: who is that? It was bizarre and I don't know.
Speaker 7: I didn't even know him, but I just thought I
Speaker 7: want to get to know him, and when I was
Speaker 7: nineteen at the time, Adam was sixteen. But I just
Speaker 7: want people to know that he wasn't like a stringy
Speaker 7: little sixteen year old. He was like a bandchild. Like
Speaker 7: when we're talking to our children now because we've got
Speaker 7: a sixteen year old son and they sort of look
Speaker 7: at I was like, oh, dad, was you know Jackxie's agent, Like,
Speaker 7: but he's nothing like Jacksie was big and muscly, And yeah,
Speaker 7: really that's okay, that's true, true controversial. I think Adam's
Speaker 7: seventeenth birthday, we went out for a date at Pizza
Speaker 7: Hut all you can eat, which was very romantic at
Speaker 7: the time.
Speaker 2: I think that was our first date, but that was
Speaker 2: about thirty people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the cheesy christ for you, Adam, you're dating this
Speaker 4: older woman. You must have been like the talk of
Speaker 4: the town. What did you know also that this was
Speaker 4: someone you wanted to spend the rest of your life with.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we were always really close from the moment
Speaker 1: we met We were actually friends for a few years
Speaker 1: before we officially got together, So from sixteen to about
Speaker 1: nineteen we're probably the bestest of friends.
Speaker 2: We used to hang out every day.
Speaker 1: I used to go around to her house, yeah, just
Speaker 1: about it every day after school and she would feed
Speaker 1: me and I Also, I.
Speaker 7: Think the biggest the thing was I had a one
Speaker 7: year old when I met Adam, so obviously super controversial
Speaker 7: at the time, being a sixteen year old. And now
Speaker 7: I have a sixteen year old boy, and I'm sort
Speaker 7: of like realizing how Adam's parents would have felt. But
Speaker 7: at the time, I was just like, well, you know,
Speaker 7: by one get one Free. But I think it's huge.
Speaker 7: I think, looking back, I probably need to give my
Speaker 7: in laws a massive cuddle and say I'm so sorry,
Speaker 7: like they probably hated me. But I was really secure
Speaker 7: and knowing you know that I really liked Adam, and yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, And I still think it was by one
Speaker 7: get one free, he got me and he.
Speaker 4: Got ash too, so yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But now I have a sixteen year old I look
Speaker 7: at it a lot differently.
Speaker 1: I think, don't we Yeah, it's a bit of it's
Speaker 1: straight now, sixteen year old son who's got a girlfriend
Speaker 1: at the moment as well, who are pretty closer. It's
Speaker 1: eerily sort of similar to me and Hailey. They just
Speaker 1: are so obsessed with each other that all they want
Speaker 1: to do is spend every waking moment with each other.
Speaker 1: And we're trying to tell, you know, go out and
Speaker 1: hang out with your friends.
Speaker 2: But me and Hailey exactly the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that interesting?
Speaker 6: And do they sort of throw it back at you
Speaker 6: guys and say, yeah, yeah, but you did.
Speaker 7: It, Yeah you did. It's the same with tattoos and
Speaker 7: piercings and probably drinking. Now our kids like, but hold on.
Speaker 7: We've got really great relationships with our kids, pretty open,
Speaker 7: and we had lots of different conversations. So it probably
Speaker 7: sometimes does backfire a little bit because they're like, well, hello,
Speaker 7: what were you guys doing or mum, you had a
Speaker 7: one year old when you were sorry, you were had
Speaker 7: baby when you were eighteen, so that anything, But no,
Speaker 7: they're good kids, they're good.
Speaker 6: Adam, you were sixteen and so you would have been
Speaker 6: deep into football at that point, into AFL footy. How
Speaker 6: a were you when you got drafted?
Speaker 1: So I was eighteen, the draft was in I think
Speaker 1: it might have been in November, and I turned eighteen
Speaker 1: in the September, so eighteen and a couple of months,
Speaker 1: and I had an inklet well, I had a fair
Speaker 1: idea that I was going to get drafted to the
Speaker 1: Western Bulldogs and have to move over to Victoria, probably
Speaker 1: about six or eight months before the draft, so I
Speaker 1: had a little bit of time to get my head
Speaker 1: around moving away from family and friends and leaving everyone
Speaker 1: behind to go and play footy. So but you're not
Speaker 1: you can't really prepare yourself for something like that. And
Speaker 1: I was really close with I had a really close
Speaker 1: group of friends as how. They mentioned I lost a
Speaker 1: couple of friends that were in my football team the
Speaker 1: year prior to that, so we're all really close, and
Speaker 1: it was it was really hard to leave them and
Speaker 1: go to Melbourne and leave family for that reason. So
Speaker 1: it took me a little while to set lind to
Speaker 1: Melbourne life.
Speaker 6: Straight into the cauldron off on that spotlight where it's
Speaker 6: cuckoo yeah.
Speaker 7: And being the number ones aft because well, there was
Speaker 7: lots of media attention around that. And Adam was so homesick,
Speaker 7: like he used to call me every night and he'd
Speaker 7: be in tears sometimes just almost wanting to come home,
Speaker 7: like ready to give it up. Yeah, so yeah, it
Speaker 7: was really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the intensity must have been huge because you're still
Speaker 4: only I mean you're eighteen, you're a little bit still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, look back on it now, and very immature.
Speaker 1: I wasn't professional enough to which to end I suppose
Speaker 1: the riggers of afling.
Speaker 2: At that stage. I was a little bit overweight.
Speaker 1: I probably didn't train hard enough leading in even though
Speaker 1: I knew I was to get drafted. So I was
Speaker 1: a little bit unprofessional, a little bit overweight. And then
Speaker 1: couple that with working so hard, you're tired all the time.
Speaker 1: All you want to do is go to sleep, and
Speaker 1: then you miss your family, you miss your friends.
Speaker 2: I did. I was in tears a few times in
Speaker 2: the first couple of months.
Speaker 1: I think I racked my dad at one stage and
Speaker 1: said that I was going to quit before the Christmas
Speaker 1: break at the end of my first pre season, and
Speaker 1: he just got rid of me.
Speaker 2: So he was pretty keen, I'm not having me back
Speaker 2: in the house.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Was pretty keen for me to stay over there in Melbourne,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: But yeah, once I got into playing, so I came
Speaker 1: back after Christmas obviously, and did some more training and
Speaker 1: then I was lucky enough to get picked for the
Speaker 1: first game in my first year. And once I played
Speaker 1: ten or eleven games in my first year, I sort
Speaker 1: of started to feel a little bit more at home
Speaker 1: and started to make some friends. And you get a
Speaker 1: bit more respect too once you start playing AFL football.
Speaker 1: So once I yeah, once I settled in and started
Speaker 1: playing games, yeah, I felt a little bit more at home.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't until what Haley moved over two I
Speaker 1: think was at the end of my second year. Was okay,
Speaker 1: when Haley moved over, So even that was tough, like
Speaker 1: flying her and Ash over on the weekends and not
Speaker 1: having him there during the week It was pretty hard
Speaker 1: for the first couple of years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how was that for you then, Haley when you
Speaker 4: moved here and your little one to Melbourne because you're
Speaker 4: you've left everyone behind and now you're the girlfriend of
Speaker 4: the hot footy player.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we're very close to it family. I've only
Speaker 7: got my mum and dad and my sister in Australia.
Speaker 7: We're from England originally, so right, Okay, I really broke
Speaker 7: my parents heart by moving, but I did it just
Speaker 7: I sort of had to. I think Adam would have
Speaker 7: wanted to come home otherwise and I didn't want that
Speaker 7: to happen. So yeah, I made the decision to take
Speaker 7: Ash and you know, move over, and I left obviously
Speaker 7: all of my friends and but we came to the
Speaker 7: Western Bulldogs and they were amazing. They really were right
Speaker 7: they you know, and we met some friends in the
Speaker 7: in the playing group and their wives and yeah, it
Speaker 7: was really good. They were awesome that the welfare that
Speaker 7: they get offered was really good. We had obviously, we
Speaker 7: had Ash, and there wasn't many other uh well, there
Speaker 7: was no one really your age with kids as so
Speaker 7: that was tough.
Speaker 2: There were only twenty at that stage. Most of them
Speaker 2: were still going out partying on the weekend. I didn't
Speaker 2: understand why I wasn't joining them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 7: That was hard. I remember saying to Adam, I'm not
Speaker 7: moving and coming here and sitting here on the weekends
Speaker 7: by myself. It's just not happening. I'm not going to
Speaker 7: I'm not going to be there for you during the
Speaker 7: week and give you all this support and then you
Speaker 7: leave me on the weekends. It's just not happening. I'll believe.
Speaker 7: I actually think I packed up the maybe twice. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I was ready to drive home really because you were out.
Speaker 2: I probably got home a bit late, maybe from the
Speaker 2: public after a game and the car was backed. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I had no babysitters here. I had no one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear you. It was that was us in LA.
Speaker 4: It was just like no one else except me and Cam.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I get it. Yeah, Adam, you've you've spoken
Speaker 4: really openly and beautifully about you know, meeting Haley and
Speaker 4: of course beautiful Ash and basically becoming a dad. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean, because you were immediately in the
Speaker 4: dad role, you know, when you were with when you
Speaker 4: were with Hailey. How was that for you? I mean,
Speaker 4: what was that like for you?
Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't really think it was a
Speaker 1: big deal. I didn't think much of it. As Haley said,
Speaker 1: it was a package deal. I always knew that. But
Speaker 1: I guess when they moved over, I had a lot
Speaker 1: of my friends and a lot of advice coming.
Speaker 2: You know, do you think you're ready for this?
Speaker 1: Your only most people did say, what the hell are
Speaker 1: you doing? I just I didn't ever really think that
Speaker 1: it was a massive responsibility and Ash has a few
Speaker 1: challenges as well, and I sort of when Haley moved over,
Speaker 1: I worked with her on a number of things and
Speaker 1: that sort of kept me busy and we grew a
Speaker 1: bond from that. So yeah, and I look back on
Speaker 1: it now and it was actually huge. It's probably it
Speaker 1: was a deal, but I just didn't think of it
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Now we have a sixteen year old. I think if
Speaker 7: he came home I was like, hey, I've met this girl.
Speaker 7: She got a kid, I'd be like what. But we
Speaker 7: just took it. We were just like, well, yeah, what's
Speaker 7: the big deal sort of thing, like yeah, sure, it's
Speaker 7: just it's just, yeah, going to happen.
Speaker 4: Love does that, doesn't it When when you're that much
Speaker 4: in love, it's like, well, we'll figure everything else out
Speaker 4: because we're together.
Speaker 7: We did that, didn't. We sort of just went, let's
Speaker 7: take it on. We're just going to make it happen. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it was going to work. So and yeah, we have
Speaker 7: people now that say wow, like we didn't think it
Speaker 7: was going to last or you know, and here we
Speaker 7: are now. I think this year, we've been married for
Speaker 7: sixteen years, and it feels like yesterday. It feels like
Speaker 7: forever ago, but it feels like yesterday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 5: I can relate to that.
Speaker 6: What do you think has been the biggest challenge in
Speaker 6: your relationship and how how did you overcome it?
Speaker 2: Do you know what?
Speaker 1: We haven't really had too many challenging situations.
Speaker 2: We've to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: We still spend and most of my work is on
Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday and sometimes Sundays, and how it does
Speaker 1: a bit of work during the week now, but for
Speaker 1: the last probably or since I finished playing footy, we've
Speaker 1: spent We spend every day together. We get our jobs done,
Speaker 1: We take the kids to school in the morning together.
Speaker 2: Then we come home.
Speaker 1: We do our jobs together, the gym to the gym together,
Speaker 1: we go to the pub together.
Speaker 7: We shower together.
Speaker 2: To pretty much we're pretty much in severable.
Speaker 1: So in terms of the usual challenges of so I
Speaker 1: take care of finances, bills, all those sorts of things,
Speaker 1: and Hailey does the house and it sort of just works.
Speaker 2: We obviously we bicker.
Speaker 1: And Hailey's into this stage now where the perimenopausal stage,
Speaker 1: which I think she must be.
Speaker 2: She must mention it, you know, ten to fifteen.
Speaker 7: I can see that I'm happy. Can I tell you something?
Speaker 7: Adam thinks it is made up? Yes, you do. Look
Speaker 7: at I can feel a hot flush. Now it's actually.
Speaker 6: Embarrassing, Adam, Adam, I've got a book you need to read.
Speaker 6: I've got a book you need to read. It's called
Speaker 6: Queen Menopause. And you're talking to the author, the pretty
Speaker 6: late in front of the pink sign. She's written a
Speaker 6: book and there's a chapter in there for us fellows.
Speaker 5: Its helpful.
Speaker 1: I have noticed recently, in the last couple of months
Speaker 1: that she's getting just a little bit irritated by really
Speaker 1: minor things.
Speaker 7: And it's not one of things.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 7: It's so important.
Speaker 2: He's an example.
Speaker 1: Just just this morning, our son, Jack's our sixteen year
Speaker 1: old who's recently been diagnosed with ADHD, so he can't
Speaker 1: remember or do anything, so he leaves his towel on
Speaker 1: the floor every single morning.
Speaker 2: Which.
Speaker 1: But there was there was water on the bathroom floor
Speaker 1: this morning, and you would have thought that the house
Speaker 1: was burning down.
Speaker 2: I just flipped. I just bathrooms. I meant to have
Speaker 2: water on the floor. It's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And maybe a couple of years ago, she wouldn't,
Speaker 1: she would have let that slide but I think she's
Speaker 1: in a stage in her life now where I think
Speaker 1: she's getting a little bit racky with of those things.
Speaker 4: It's it's because it's the twenty five thousandth time that
Speaker 4: the water has been on the floor, thank you. That's
Speaker 4: what it is. If it was the first time, yeah,
Speaker 4: she'd be fine.
Speaker 7: But there's also ash Jack's eavy plus Adam that I'm
Speaker 7: telling these things every day that they're not doing, and
Speaker 7: it just builds.
Speaker 4: And absolutely it bells, and it may not get any
Speaker 4: better for a little while.
Speaker 2: That's the.
Speaker 4: You've just got to take long, deep breaths at him.
Speaker 4: I think long, deepst and do a lot of flowers, chocolates, hoppy,
Speaker 4: I bought you, yeah, date nights. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I told her this morning that he's in charge of
Speaker 7: the kids bathroom now for one week. Just you just
Speaker 7: go in the bathroom and just pick the towels up,
Speaker 7: so I don't have to do it. Just give me
Speaker 7: one week break.
Speaker 4: Separate bathrooms, separate it's all.
Speaker 6: About But honey, they they bathe together, they shower together.
Speaker 5: Don't ruin that.
Speaker 2: We don't even have separate towns. We just rug ourselves
Speaker 2: up in the same one. Getting question, we don't.
Speaker 7: We've we've got things figured now where we don't have
Speaker 7: a lot to argue. We're in a pretty lucky situation financially,
Speaker 7: I would say, I mean, we're not the richest people
Speaker 7: in the world, but we're pretty comfortable. I would say
Speaker 7: so that. I think that's a huge part of it.
Speaker 7: I think the mentional thing, we're so lucky. Adam was
Speaker 7: really clever in his football years in making sure that
Speaker 7: we were going to be set up so we could
Speaker 7: live comfortably after, which was good. We're not very materialistic people.
Speaker 7: You often see us a Kmart or cotton on or Audi.
Speaker 7: I remember going to albi Ones and a school mum
Speaker 7: saw me and she was like, what are you shopping
Speaker 7: here for?
Speaker 4: Do you know?
Speaker 5: Aldi?
Speaker 6: Let me tell you something. We we love the frozen
Speaker 6: Barrel Monday from.
Speaker 4: It's Aldi does it go. Is there a memorable moment
Speaker 4: that you feel might have really strengthened your relationship.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think we when we before we had Bax,
Speaker 7: we miscarried a couple of times and I think I'm sorry, yeah,
Speaker 7: thank you know. That was a really hard time. I
Speaker 7: was here without my mum and my sister, who were
Speaker 7: huge more than my bestest friends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was.
Speaker 7: A really tough time and for Adam to ride that
Speaker 7: emotion with me, because it's hard for men, even though
Speaker 7: it's their loss too, really hard, I think for some
Speaker 7: men to understand the actual feeling of that loss. And
Speaker 7: Adam at what twenty one, I think else twenty twenty,
Speaker 7: he was amazing and I was a nightmare. I was
Speaker 7: beside myself and obviously I didn't have anyone here. And
Speaker 7: I thought afterwards, I thought, if we can get through
Speaker 7: the is like boring it on, we can get through anything.
Speaker 7: And yeah, that's for me. I don't know about you,
Speaker 7: but that for me was huge.
Speaker 1: Well and again it was well, we're both young and
Speaker 1: and it happened a couple of times and it was
Speaker 1: just a Hailey had sort of just moved over from Adelaide,
Speaker 1: so you mentioned she didn't have that support there, and
Speaker 1: she was just so sad for months until and then
Speaker 1: we were obviously trying, and then each month it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Then there's that sadness again, and then another miscarriage. So
Speaker 1: it was probably it was probably a year and a half.
Speaker 7: Before we felt pregnant. And I think being a part
Speaker 7: of a food club as well. There's a lot of
Speaker 7: other pregnancies around you.
Speaker 2: At the time.
Speaker 4: Sure it makes it so much more pain.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: You see pregnant people wherever you go. So yeah, for
Speaker 7: Adam to really stand up at such a young age
Speaker 7: and yeah, that that's a pretty that was pretty a
Speaker 7: standout for me. I knew it was a keeper them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Adam, was that Was that a nate for you
Speaker 6: or were you getting some help through the footy club
Speaker 6: or through parents or helping you.
Speaker 2: I was just focusing on helping Haley, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: And some of the advice that I got after we
Speaker 1: miscarried the first time was from football club people some
Speaker 1: other people that were close to me, was well, don't
Speaker 1: do that again.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you judged all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was and that was sort of
Speaker 1: confronting at the time, some of the some of the
Speaker 1: advice that I got, considering that I actually wanted to
Speaker 1: have a baby myself, it probably wasn't a lot of
Speaker 1: trust in you a young relationship with two people from
Speaker 1: a football club side of things, and and some other
Speaker 1: people that were close to us. So but yeah, my
Speaker 1: focus on was trying to get Hailey happy really and
Speaker 1: that when I was. It was a confusing time when
Speaker 1: obviously you miscarry and trying to support but not really
Speaker 1: quite understanding what she was going through. And it was well, thanks, thanks,
Speaker 1: but we got there in the end. And then Jax
Speaker 1: came along and then we were done. Beautiful all one girl,
Speaker 1: one boy, perfect, shut up shop And then of course
Speaker 1: say changes her mind.
Speaker 2: A couple of years later and along came.
Speaker 4: We had to go again, Carrot Super Carrot Top one.
Speaker 7: She came out with red hair, a wiring from day one.
Speaker 4: I think the third one often are actually our third
Speaker 4: was just the same thing. Came out with the loudest voice, screaming.
Speaker 4: She's never stopped being the loudest and the sassiest and
Speaker 4: oh boy, yeah.
Speaker 7: She's organizer, isn't she. Evie likes to know where everyone is,
Speaker 7: what time everyone's getting home, who's you know, who's there,
Speaker 7: and who's where? And yeah, she's still of the glue
Speaker 7: at the moment. She's keeping us all together.
Speaker 1: She gives us a hard time if we want to
Speaker 1: go out for dinner, she tells us what times we
Speaker 1: have to be home.
Speaker 2: We have curfews.
Speaker 4: And I know that you've that Ash said before and said,
Speaker 4: you know obviously publicly she's she's had she's got her challenges,
Speaker 4: some disabilities. How have your other two kids benefited from
Speaker 4: having Ash in their lives? Do you see them as
Speaker 4: more empathetic kids.
Speaker 1: Especially Jackson, especially jack Sie's with other kids who have
Speaker 1: challenges and disabilities.
Speaker 7: He always has been, hasn't he. I think he's prep teacher.
Speaker 7: In a parent teaching interview, she said to me, you
Speaker 7: can tell that he's got a sister with a disability,
Speaker 7: and that he's got a younger baby sister. She's like
Speaker 7: from six, she said, he's always the one if there's
Speaker 7: an underdog in the class, or if there's someone getting believed,
Speaker 7: he's right over there making sure that they you know,
Speaker 7: he lifts them. And even now we had an incident yesterday.
Speaker 7: A teacher sent me a message there's a little boy
Speaker 7: at Jacksie school that has down syndrome and they couldn't
Speaker 7: get him into assembly. So they're like, where's Jack's cooney?
Speaker 7: Where is he? And so Jacksie goes out brings him
Speaker 7: in and I've got a beautiful photo of them sitting
Speaker 7: side by side in an assembly. So he's yeah, he's
Speaker 7: really great, and I'm really hoping that he and getting
Speaker 7: to the disability industry, whether it's a special ed teacher
Speaker 7: or using that that beautiful soul that he has to
Speaker 7: empoyer people with the disability, because he really is a
Speaker 7: beautiful boy. But she's Jackson's just a bit nice.
Speaker 1: Jax's a bit more. He has that empathy inside to him.
Speaker 1: Where's a bit more like me? Yeah, she's a bit
Speaker 1: cold hearted.
Speaker 7: She's a cold vision to you warm up, whereas Jaxson's
Speaker 7: like me, He's.
Speaker 4: Nice, beautiful.
Speaker 5: I love just thinking about the way you propose throwing
Speaker 5: a burger, right Cam.
Speaker 6: So I mean having having kids is it does take
Speaker 6: a lot of time, and they they need time, But
Speaker 6: so do you guys as a couple, how do you
Speaker 6: how do you balance your time with the kids, for
Speaker 6: yourselves and obviously through work commitments.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I spend a lot of time.
Speaker 1: I'll probably spend eighty percent of my time with Jacks
Speaker 1: in terms of like, I've coached his footy team. He
Speaker 1: wants to play lucky, so I spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time with him giving him advice. You know, gym staff
Speaker 1: working on his foot he working on the mental side
Speaker 1: of the game. So he takes up he takes up
Speaker 1: a lot of my time. Thankfully, next I don't have
Speaker 1: to coach him. I can pass him on to someone
Speaker 1: else because I've just I'm just about at that stage
Speaker 1: where I've given him all I can.
Speaker 2: Now I've got to hand him over to someone else,
Speaker 2: So coaching coaching him.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, when I was his coach last year, he dislocated
Speaker 1: his shoulder before round one and didn't play a game
Speaker 1: of footy for the whole season. So I coached his
Speaker 1: team and he didn't even play, which was a little
Speaker 1: bit disappointing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot of time, a lot of time
Speaker 2: he spent with him.
Speaker 1: And then because it's Saturday mornings as well, and Eve
Speaker 1: he plays netball at the same time, so I don't
Speaker 1: get to watch her play a lot on the Saturday mornings,
Speaker 1: which is disap But I suppose next year will open
Speaker 1: up I.
Speaker 2: Can spend a bit more time with her there.
Speaker 1: But balancing our time together and the kids is good
Speaker 1: because it's it is easy because we have so much
Speaker 1: time during the day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Nice is Jack's going to play for the Bombers or
Speaker 5: the Bulldogs.
Speaker 1: Well, he's a father son academy to the Western Bulldogs,
Speaker 1: so I actually qualify. You have to play one hundred
Speaker 1: games for a club to qualify as a father's son.
Speaker 2: So he's qualified.
Speaker 1: So that I didn't play thankfully a lot of depending
Speaker 1: which way you want to look at, I didn't play
Speaker 1: enough games for the Bombers unfortunately.
Speaker 2: So he's been in the Bulldog's Academy, which is great.
Speaker 1: They get all sort of father son picks in potentially
Speaker 1: you know, four or five years before they actually get drafted,
Speaker 1: and they sort of start to coach them and do
Speaker 1: some academy stuff, training and school holidays and things with them.
Speaker 2: So he's been in the.
Speaker 1: Academy there for a number of years now and he
Speaker 1: loves I think he's just about got me and now
Speaker 1: in terms of heights, so he's grown a bit over
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, which is which is really
Speaker 1: sad that he's taller about me now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's got he's got a bit of potential.
Speaker 1: He's he's athletic, but he's got a lot of hard
Speaker 1: work to do if he thinks that he's going to
Speaker 1: play it.
Speaker 6: Especially these days. It's a bit of a different game
Speaker 6: to when you were playing, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just have to be so fit.
Speaker 4: Yeah. True. Is there any lessons that you learned from
Speaker 4: playing AFL that you now apply to your just everyday life.
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, I try and pass those lessons onto to
Speaker 2: Jack's at the moment.
Speaker 1: More you know, nutrition, learning about nutrition, diet, what you
Speaker 1: have to put put into your body to get yourself
Speaker 1: healthy and fit and strong, and you know protein and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. But so I've learned so
Speaker 1: much as a as a player in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: what you have to put into your body to become
Speaker 1: a good player. And also the mental side of the
Speaker 1: game now so important that I didn't have anything to
Speaker 1: do with you know, sports sykes or even like mental
Speaker 1: coaches or things like that when I played football, And
Speaker 1: that sort of started to come in a little bit
Speaker 1: towards the end of my career, which was in sixteen.
Speaker 1: But it's so popular now just about every player has
Speaker 1: a sports site that they speak to regularly, and they
Speaker 1: have techniques on how to train your mind. And I
Speaker 1: sort of wish that I did a lot more of that,
Speaker 1: So I try and steer Jackson in that direction now.
Speaker 1: But in terms of life lessons and things you've done,
Speaker 1: the opposite I've done.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what does that mean, Hailey.
Speaker 7: Everything that he got taught about healthy eating and not drinking,
Speaker 7: keeping himself fitting, strong and healthy, that's a lot of
Speaker 7: the window. Now he's living his best life. But said that,
Speaker 7: we always said that it was going to be, you know,
Speaker 7: give it everything in Adam's years, and then I promised
Speaker 7: him as soon as you're done, you can drink beer
Speaker 7: on a Friday night, you can eat hungry jacks whenever
Speaker 7: you want. So definitely living his best life now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and as many burger rings as you want.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, Hayley, Can I ask you a question, yes,
Speaker 6: when Adam was playing footy, what was it like for you?
Speaker 6: Because it feels like it was a different time than
Speaker 6: what it is now. People are being thrown out for
Speaker 6: saying racist comments from football stadiums, as they should be.
Speaker 5: I mean crowds.
Speaker 6: I think back in that day when you were playing Adam,
Speaker 6: and certainly in the seventies and eighties were pretty rough,
Speaker 6: you know, And how was that for you as Adam's
Speaker 6: partner hearing, you know, fifty year old man screaming abuse
Speaker 6: at your husband and his mates playing footy.
Speaker 7: I would many times have the girls dragging you back
Speaker 7: because I'm like especially having the kids next to me.
Speaker 7: You're like, on these people, their families are year like,
Speaker 7: this is my you know, it's my five year old
Speaker 7: son hearing that his dad's the biggest beat beat Bee
Speaker 7: Pepper and you know Cooney bbe like just huge, huge abuse.
Speaker 7: It doesn't happen so much now. I'm still lucky enough
Speaker 7: to go to games. Ash is a huge Western war
Speaker 7: Dog supporter, so we often, Adam and I will take
Speaker 7: the kids to the foot and it's a lot more
Speaker 7: chilled now. Like you said, you just can't.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 7: People don't put up with that anymore, which is fantastic.
Speaker 7: And I'm also super grateful that Adam, we missed the
Speaker 7: social media stuff, didn't we most Yeah, that I can't
Speaker 7: even imagine now. I'm oh, I just can't imagine what
Speaker 7: the people what they have to read about themselves and
Speaker 7: their families, and a lot of them it's shocking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after every game you and I had, I think
Speaker 1: on Twitter at the sort of back end of my career,
Speaker 1: and if you had a game, you wouldn't you wouldn't
Speaker 1: check your social media for forty eight seventy two hours
Speaker 1: after it, and you you get abused sort.
Speaker 2: Of weekly, no matter you know, win, lose, or draw.
Speaker 1: But I just can't imagine now with TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook,
Speaker 1: players would check their social media after a game and
Speaker 1: even if you might have had a great game, but
Speaker 1: you might have had twenty nine disposals and someone has
Speaker 1: had a multi bet for you to get thirty plus,
Speaker 1: and that will just that'll abuse at you and death
Speaker 1: threats and all sorts of abuse these days. So I'm
Speaker 1: glad that I sort of missed out in those times,
Speaker 1: and even younger years.
Speaker 2: My first year was two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: We would sort of go out, maybe if we had
Speaker 1: an eight day break with some of the players and
Speaker 1: enjoy a few drinks at a pub and there's no
Speaker 1: mobile phones, no one's.
Speaker 2: Recording you know, anything they're doing.
Speaker 1: Now the players are just in the spotlight twenty four
Speaker 1: hours a day.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I was pretty I was a bit
Speaker 7: of a cipho when when phones and cameras and Adam
Speaker 7: don't have a photo at a nightclub, when you're holding
Speaker 7: a beer and you've got your arm around a girl,
Speaker 7: just don't do it. And I think he used to
Speaker 7: be like, oh, you're so jealous, You're such a psycho,
Speaker 7: But I was jealous and psycho.
Speaker 8: But I used to say it besides that, besides that,
Speaker 8: I was so I used to think, we've got children
Speaker 8: that go to school and also takes this for one
Speaker 8: girl or you know, someone's boyfriend to see her girlfriend
Speaker 8: with Adam and start this.
Speaker 7: You know he touched me or he did this, and
Speaker 7: and yeah, it's the same. You know, even even drinking.
Speaker 7: I'm like, you're not just it's not just you. You know,
Speaker 7: you have to go pick up Ash from school on Monday,
Speaker 7: and so it was always about our family. So I
Speaker 7: wasn't that much of a psycho. I was clever.
Speaker 4: Yes, you was thinking ahead, you're a picture. Yeah that's you.
Speaker 4: That's you, Hailey. Tell us a bit about I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: Are you still working in the disability district's best job? Yeah?
Speaker 4: So you obviously was that inspired by Ash or you
Speaker 4: just this is where you wanted to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 7: I worked as an education support officer in the school
Speaker 7: for a few years and I really enjoyed that, but
Speaker 7: there were so many rules and this is how we
Speaker 7: do it and this is how we've always done it,
Speaker 7: and I knew that it could be better, but I
Speaker 7: wasn't in a position as an ESO to make this call.
Speaker 7: So I left too much politics and yeah, too many rules,
Speaker 7: and then Ash. I think at about the same time,
Speaker 7: Ash was eighteen, so she had finished school, and so
Speaker 7: she had these support workers that were coming into her life,
Speaker 7: and she was just blossoming. She was going out and
Speaker 7: getting a tattoo or coming over their nose pierced, or
Speaker 7: going to these music concerts. And I thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 7: these people are just empowering her, and that's what I
Speaker 7: want to do. And I have patients when I'm not perimenopausal.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 4: When it's not your family.
Speaker 7: He actually wanted to engine that. In the questionaire that
Speaker 7: we did for you guys, you said one of your
Speaker 7: worst traits, Hailey, is that you're nice to everyone else
Speaker 7: about your family. I can't write that. No, I do
Speaker 7: have patience, and I just love my job. I work
Speaker 7: with three different participants. I work Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and
Speaker 7: I'm just empowering people, these people to live their best life. Like,
Speaker 7: just because you have a disability doesn't mean you can't
Speaker 7: go and get your nose pierced, or you can't yeah,
Speaker 7: you can't get a tattoo. Or you can do anything.
Speaker 7: You can do anything, and I will make sure that
Speaker 7: that happens. Whatever they want to do, I'm like, let's
Speaker 7: do it. That's great.
Speaker 4: Ah, it's fantastic. Good for you.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Adam.
Speaker 6: You're still working in sports, aren't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I worked for seven We do a show on
Speaker 1: Friday night after the footy and I work for SCN
Speaker 1: radio station over.
Speaker 2: Here in Melbourne. Right.
Speaker 6: I actually listened to you do you Go? Yeah in
Speaker 6: the afternoon with Gayzy. You guys you get on show everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'd usually do a Friday slot there and do some
Speaker 1: summer stuff and then I'll do a game on commentary.
Speaker 2: For in on the weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now, okay, So, so as we acknowledged that the game
Speaker 6: has changed, what was what was your approach to managing
Speaker 6: the mental side of the game, Like you said you
Speaker 6: didn't you didn't have that, You didn't have doctors and
Speaker 6: psych's working with you at the time. So how are
Speaker 6: you dealing.
Speaker 5: With performance anxiety and scrutiny of the media.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wasn't a warrior.
Speaker 1: I wasn't one to overthink a game coming in and
Speaker 1: I was great at switching off.
Speaker 7: Can I just interrupt you, I think as well, having kids.
Speaker 7: Young Adam would walk out of the change rooms and
Speaker 7: straight away it was not about football anymore. It was
Speaker 7: about being dads. The kids didn't care whether they won, lose, draw,
Speaker 7: So I think that kept you really grounded.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, and I was always and there's no bigger critic
Speaker 1: than yourself when you were an athlete.
Speaker 2: So if I would have a poor game, I would
Speaker 2: be really sort of angry and down. But that's not
Speaker 2: once you walk out, Well, it's not the kid's fault
Speaker 2: and it's not Hailey's fault that you've had a bad game.
Speaker 1: So there's no point in being grumpy or going home
Speaker 1: and being down for two days about it. Deal with
Speaker 1: that yourself. You know, the kids don't really at that age,
Speaker 1: didn't really care if you had one disposal. They would
Speaker 1: just happen to see you after the game.
Speaker 7: I used to have to go home in separate cars
Speaker 7: from them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a few of my teammates that would
Speaker 1: sleep in separate beds you can talk about separate bathrooms'd
Speaker 1: sleep in separate bedrooms a night before a game, and
Speaker 1: then if they had a bad game, they'd be grumpy
Speaker 1: for two or three days at home, and I just
Speaker 1: didn't want to be like that. I mean, deal with
Speaker 1: it yourself, and then once you get to the football club,
Speaker 1: watch your video, have your meeting with your coaches, and
Speaker 1: then they can tell you what you've what you've done wrong,
Speaker 1: and what you need to work on, and then.
Speaker 2: Get rid of there.
Speaker 1: But well, yeah, I was really good at switching off
Speaker 1: when it wasn't football time. So as soon as I
Speaker 1: left the football club after training or after a game,
Speaker 1: then I just wouldn't think about it anymore. I had
Speaker 1: other things to deal with in my life. Sit there
Speaker 1: and steal on football all the time.
Speaker 4: What a great approach, That's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't work for some though, So sometime people,
Speaker 1: or had some of my teammates, if they had the
Speaker 1: same attitude as me, they wouldn't have lasted two or
Speaker 1: three years. Some people have to be like all encompassing seven.
Speaker 1: Ye have to live their life twenty four to seven
Speaker 1: to get the best out of themselves. And I was
Speaker 1: the complete opposite. If I did that, I would have
Speaker 1: been burnt out and the tide by the time I
Speaker 1: was twenty.
Speaker 4: I think, right, we do something called the two minute shower,
Speaker 4: So we'll ask both of you the same questions. We're
Speaker 4: conserving waters, so just keep your answers as sure as possible.
Speaker 4: Do you want to ask the first one?
Speaker 1: Hun?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just going to dive in with this one.
Speaker 6: Who's got the best tattoos.
Speaker 2: Has got the best tattoos. I have the worst tattoos.
Speaker 1: I've got some home jobs on my back that my
Speaker 1: kids have actually done with the tattoo gun and all
Speaker 1: sorts of things.
Speaker 2: So Ailey's a much more finer than mine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they both agree on that one. Is there one
Speaker 4: experience with each other? You would love to relive.
Speaker 2: The proposal in my head? Love this.
Speaker 4: Living in Mark too in a better way? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time we go on a holiday with just
Speaker 1: the two of us, I think we live that as
Speaker 1: soon as we get home.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, all right.
Speaker 5: What the world needs now is more Haley's.
Speaker 7: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 2: I think when she mentioned that, you know, the disability stuff.
Speaker 1: She has an amazing heart and wants to help every
Speaker 1: single person that she bumps into and takes a lot
Speaker 1: on more than what she should, which you.
Speaker 7: Can cross me about that.
Speaker 2: She just just tries to do too much. But if
Speaker 2: the world had more Haley's would be a much better place.
Speaker 4: That's that's gorgeous.
Speaker 7: That's nice.
Speaker 5: What so you, Hailey, What does the world need now?
Speaker 7: The world needs a bit of love and peace, I think,
Speaker 7: so maybe they do need more met horn.
Speaker 4: There is there a favorite weird habit that you love
Speaker 4: about each other?
Speaker 1: I think our favorite weird habit is that we love
Speaker 1: playing the pokes together.
Speaker 7: We love going on for a little poke together. That's
Speaker 7: so fun. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4: That's brilliant and I love it all right.
Speaker 5: Last question, one word to describe each other.
Speaker 2: Very menopausal. We love each other.
Speaker 7: I would describe Adam as my soulmate. And that's so
Speaker 7: corny and I feel like I slap myself, but it's true.
Speaker 7: My best friend, that's that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I would describe myself as lucky and you two
Speaker 1: words too, caring. Wow.
Speaker 4: We've had a lot of couples that we've spoken to
Speaker 4: over the years, and your story to me, like, that's
Speaker 4: the whole, the whole thing that was coming through with soulmates,
Speaker 4: soul mate, so and and and I'm with you, you know.
Speaker 4: It's like it's such a cliche, mat but the way
Speaker 4: you've been together and still together and still clearly in
Speaker 4: love and everything's just you've just handled this world of
Speaker 4: you know, professional sports and ash and you you know,
Speaker 4: your other two kids, and yeah, you you've got something
Speaker 4: really special.
Speaker 7: Thank you, lovely.
Speaker 4: And love it through that, Peri Menopo. Yeah, thanks for
Speaker 4: your time, Thank you for having us.
Speaker 5: That was an excellent chat, Honey.
Speaker 4: They were just so I know, we know we say
Speaker 4: that with so many of our guests, but boy, didn't
Speaker 4: I mean to have met that young and to have
Speaker 4: just to still be sort of kind of gooey eyed
Speaker 4: over each other. That's that's that really is amazing. I
Speaker 4: think that's beautiful. I have to I have to ask you,
Speaker 4: were you slightly fan boying a little bit, Adam?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 6: Look, I could I know, I know it's a serious
Speaker 6: serious yeah, and look, we could have gone way I
Speaker 6: know you could have i know, into into the psychology
Speaker 6: of football. Yeah, I mean professional sports. But we're a
Speaker 6: relationship show. And when I do my Man podcast, I'll
Speaker 6: get him back on a great chat.
Speaker 5: I found them.
Speaker 6: The word that I was going to say was refreshing,
Speaker 6: you know, like you said, I didn't worry about stuff,
Speaker 6: and what's that quote? Worry? Paul's tomorrow's clouds over today.
Speaker 6: It just seems like it was just such an ease
Speaker 6: about them. I just don't sweat the small stuff.
Speaker 4: It's just why are we here?
Speaker 5: What's the big picture? And I loved that.
Speaker 4: I loved it. No, it was really really beautiful. Well
Speaker 4: we hope you loved it too. Thank you so much
Speaker 4: for listening, and catch us next time on separate bathrooms.