WEBVTT - Donald Trump’s massive MAGA break-up

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<v Speaker 1>From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>dot com AU wacky, a lunatic, a traitor and worst

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<v Speaker 1>of all, a Republican in name only rhino. These are

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<v Speaker 1>insults Donald Trump has thrown at his rivals for years,

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<v Speaker 1>but now well his target is a woman pivotal to

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's Make America Great Again movement, Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>Green and Trump have fallen out big time over his

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<v Speaker 1>new role as international peacemaker, his concessions on tariffs and jobs, and,

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<v Speaker 1>most importantly, the swirling Jeffrey Epstein drama today, who really

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<v Speaker 1>owns MAGA and why is Donald Trump so very angry?

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<v Speaker 2>I am withdrawing my support an endorsement of Congresswoman Marjorie

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Green of the Great State of Georgia. All I

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<v Speaker 2>see wacky Marjorie do is complain? Complain, complain?

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<v Speaker 1>Guess who? Donald Trump's been busy on truth social and

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<v Speaker 1>we couldn't resist bringing this post to life with our

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<v Speaker 1>favorite AI generator, Donald Voice.

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<v Speaker 2>She has told many people that she is upset that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't return her phone calls anymore. But with two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and nineteen congressmen and women, fifty three US Senators,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four Cabinet members, almost two hundred countries, and an

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise normal life to lead, I can't take a ranting

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<v Speaker 2>lunatics call every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Kelly is The Australian's correspondent in Washington, DC. Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a massive political breakup going on in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Green. She's a Republican

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<v Speaker 1>congresswoman from Georgia. She's a central figure in the Make

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<v Speaker 1>America Great Again movement? Why are they breaking up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Look, it's a fascinating question. Do you ask Claire.

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<v Speaker 3>The first thing is Marjorie Taylor Green is very much

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<v Speaker 3>a staunch defender of this make America Great Again, America

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<v Speaker 3>First agenda that was championed by Donald Trump. She is

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<v Speaker 3>a hard right conservative populist. She really got into politics

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<v Speaker 3>because of Donald Trump. But they've had a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>recent disagreements, and essentially it boils down to Marjorie Taylor

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<v Speaker 3>Green thinking that Donald Trump has taken his eye off

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<v Speaker 3>the ball and he's not prosecuting his America First agenda

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<v Speaker 3>or implementing it, at least not to the satisfaction of

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<v Speaker 3>Marjorie Taylor Green.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, Donald Trumps. He usually yells at everybody, so

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<v Speaker 4>we're all used to it. But he's the president of

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<v Speaker 4>the United States. And here's something you all may not

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<v Speaker 4>know about me. I think a lot of people on

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<v Speaker 4>the left are learning that. When I ran for Congress

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty, I ran criticizing Republicans and Democrats equally

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<v Speaker 4>because I come from a working class family, ran a

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<v Speaker 4>construction company for over twenty years, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>the government has failed all of us, and it purely

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<v Speaker 4>discussed me. It really does.

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<v Speaker 3>She thinks he's spending too much time on his foreign agenda,

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<v Speaker 3>so she's been critical of his initiatives in the foreign arena,

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<v Speaker 3>including his handling of the Middle East conflict. She's been

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<v Speaker 3>very critical of Israel. She said that Israel is committing

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<v Speaker 3>a genocide in Gaza. She's been critical really of the

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<v Speaker 3>influence that Israel has over the US political system. She

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<v Speaker 3>opposed the bombing in Iran. She wants to see America

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<v Speaker 3>avoid foreign entanglements and wants to ensure Donald Trump upholds

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<v Speaker 3>that principle. So she was very disappointed recently when President

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<v Speaker 3>Trump met with the leader of Syria, Ahmad al Shara.

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<v Speaker 3>She said that that would have been a very disappointing

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<v Speaker 3>event for people who had served in the US military,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly given his former terrorist links. On the domestic agenda,

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<v Speaker 3>she thinks Donald Trump is making missteps as well. She

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<v Speaker 3>is concerned about the cost of living crunch, the affordability crisis,

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<v Speaker 3>which is still ongoing here in America. Inflation is still elevated,

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<v Speaker 3>running about three percent in the year to September. She

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<v Speaker 3>was concerned about health insurance premiums going up. She actually

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<v Speaker 3>supported the extension of those enhanced Obamacare subsidies which were

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<v Speaker 3>unveiled back in twenty twenty one, so that was a

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<v Speaker 3>very obvious disagreement between her and the president. She's also

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<v Speaker 3>critical of Trump defending the large numbers of foreign students,

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<v Speaker 3>Chinese students attending American universities. So there's a diverse range

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<v Speaker 3>of issues, but the big one is the Epstein files,

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<v Speaker 3>and Marjorie Taylor Green has really championed the release of

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<v Speaker 3>the Epstein files and has supported trying to compel the

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<v Speaker 3>Department of Justice to release all the details that it

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<v Speaker 3>possibly can.

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats released a bunch of Epstein emails last week, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Trump indicated that he's supportive now of release of more.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are those files at now, Joe, I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Epstein files, God knows how many of

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<v Speaker 1>them there are. Are we actually now talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>release of the kind of documents that Marjorie Taylor Green

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<v Speaker 1>and her supporters want to see.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there's an Epstein Act now which is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be voted on in the House setting out exactly

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<v Speaker 3>all the sorts of documents that they want to see released.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is what Marjorie Taylor Green wants. She supports

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<v Speaker 3>this particular piece of legislation. Donald Trump, of course, tried

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<v Speaker 3>really hard to prevent this bell from going to a vote.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump, at the last minute, despite trying to prevent

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<v Speaker 3>the vote, has felt that he's needed to backflip, and

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<v Speaker 3>he is now encouraged Republicans in the House to support

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<v Speaker 3>this act. So this is an eleventh hour reversal designed

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<v Speaker 3>to ensure that the Republicans who were likely to support

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<v Speaker 3>this bill en mass would not be seeing as a

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<v Speaker 3>defying him. That was the outcome that Trump desperately wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to avoid. And clearly, I think Marjorie Taylor Green had

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<v Speaker 3>become a symbol of this defiance from Republicans, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think probably what made it all the more galling for

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump is that Marjorie Taylor Green has been such

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<v Speaker 3>a strong champion of America first, and I think he

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<v Speaker 3>probably didn't want to see someone else laying claim to

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<v Speaker 3>a portion of his Maga constituency.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he says, in fact, that Maga is him. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that he created it.

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<v Speaker 2>And forget Mago was my idea. Mega was nobody else's idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what Maga wants better than anybody else, and

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<v Speaker 2>Maga wants to see our country thrive.

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<v Speaker 1>This has gotten Napoleonic vibes about it, I think, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the truth? Now? Do you think about the

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<v Speaker 1>making America Great Again idea and movement? Is it still

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<v Speaker 1>closely associated with Donald Trump? Is it right for him

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<v Speaker 1>to say that this is his or has it now

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<v Speaker 1>grown beyond him into a political movement that he can't control?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think two things can be true at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time. Clear, So I think Donald Trump is instrumental

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<v Speaker 3>in developing this really influential political movement in America, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's really proud of this. He've viewsed this as one

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<v Speaker 3>of his great achievements, and you've seen that in his

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<v Speaker 3>comments recently where he said it was his idea. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>he honestly feels that he can dictate the passions of

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<v Speaker 3>this movement and then harness that movement to really advance

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<v Speaker 3>his own political interests. So he is concerned that he

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<v Speaker 3>retains that ability, retains control over that movement. So this

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<v Speaker 3>is a new and powerful coalition he's managed to pull together.

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<v Speaker 3>But Trump won't be around forever, and so there is

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<v Speaker 3>an issue now about what happens to this political constituency

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<v Speaker 3>after Trump. You know, what does the magabase look like

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<v Speaker 3>in a post Trump world? And this happens more quickly

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<v Speaker 3>than you might think. So, we have the midterms next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Things aren't looking that good for Donald Trump. It's usual

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<v Speaker 3>that the administration loses the House. In fact, in recent memory,

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<v Speaker 3>it's only been George W. Bush in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 3>two that managed to hold the House in the midterms.

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<v Speaker 3>So if things don't go well for Trump, we really

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<v Speaker 3>are talking about this new phase of politics coming, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>by the end of next year. Claire, So, I think

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump has this at the back of his mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I also think it's probably why he continually flirts with

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<v Speaker 3>this idea of a third term, to keep people guessing

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<v Speaker 3>and ensure that he's seen to have potency and currency.

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<v Speaker 3>But at some point, I think Donald Trump will address

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<v Speaker 3>this idea of a succession plan for his movement and

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<v Speaker 3>who is best to carry the torch of trump Ism

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<v Speaker 3>into the future. Now what that looks like at the moment,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but I think Donald Trump will be

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<v Speaker 3>very protective of his legacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up the Big temptation. Donald Trump has fallen victim

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<v Speaker 1>to one of the insults he's thrown at Marjorie Taylor Green.

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<v Speaker 1>Apart from traitor and wacky and lunatic, is rhino publican

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<v Speaker 1>in name only. That kind of made me smile, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>because that was one of the insults that Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>his supporters throughout the old school Republicans, the people who

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<v Speaker 1>they would have characterized as inside the Beltway, the establishment,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the swamp. They talked about draining the swamp.

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<v Speaker 1>She was elected to Congress in twenty twenty on this

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<v Speaker 1>wave of trump Ism, But she's different to Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, is it going to be true that the

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<v Speaker 4>child pedophilia and the elites and the Washington DC, is

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<v Speaker 4>that what we're really going to see come out?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it true?

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<v Speaker 4>Is the type of corruption we're going to see come out?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it going to be Satanic worship that possibly all

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<v Speaker 4>these people are involved in.

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<v Speaker 1>Marjorie Taylor Grain is a loud and proud anti Semite.

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<v Speaker 1>She believes in QAnon, you know, conspiracy theories about pedophiles.

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<v Speaker 1>That obviously feeds her views about Epstein.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, I would like to say, humbly, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>sorry for taking part and the toxic politics. It's very

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<v Speaker 4>bad for our country.

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<v Speaker 1>But what does it tell us about the mood that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump exploited or created to get himself elected? And this

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<v Speaker 1>new Donald Trump that we're seeing in his second too,

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<v Speaker 1>where he is the international peacemaker, he's a statesman. He's

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledging that Americans can't do all the highly skilled jobs

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<v Speaker 1>that are needed for sophisticated manufacturing, for example.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's right, Claire. So Donald Trump took

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<v Speaker 3>over the Republican Party and he's reshaped it. He's purged

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<v Speaker 3>the party, and he's managed to do that incredibly effectively,

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<v Speaker 3>and effectively rule over the Republicans in Congress with a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of an iron fist. And actually he's been very

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<v Speaker 3>critical of the old establishment of Republicans. I was at

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<v Speaker 3>an event only a few months ago, a National Conservative conference,

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<v Speaker 3>where the United States Trade Representative Jamison Greer really unleashed

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<v Speaker 3>on the George W. Bush era, saying that families in

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<v Speaker 3>America got left behind, they misjudged the China trade relationship

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<v Speaker 3>and the China threat. And I was struck by how

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<v Speaker 3>ferocious that criticism was. So this was really an internal

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<v Speaker 3>revolution of the Republican Party on the conservative side of politics.

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<v Speaker 3>I think what makes Marjorie Taylor Green so interesting is

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<v Speaker 3>that she is part of that movement. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>a rift within, really within that new remaking of the

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<v Speaker 3>Republican Party that Donald Trump has overseen, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's why he's been clearly so engaged and singling her

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<v Speaker 3>out by name and numerous posts on his truth social platform.

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<v Speaker 3>He wants to ensure that he is the one who

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<v Speaker 3>has seen to be the true representative of the movement.

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<v Speaker 3>But you made this point about some of the decisions

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<v Speaker 3>that Trump has made. Now, I think it's a case

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<v Speaker 3>of him getting mugged by reality a little bit. We

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<v Speaker 3>are seeing him recalibrate his political strategy now, Claire. So

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<v Speaker 3>he's back down on some of his reciprocal tariffs because

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<v Speaker 3>they were increasing prices for everyday Americans. So he's tried

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<v Speaker 3>to seize control over the political agenda. The Epstein reversal

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<v Speaker 3>is an example of that. His decision on tariffs is

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<v Speaker 3>an example of that, and his public criticism of Marjorie

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor Green is also another criticism of that. I'd add

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<v Speaker 3>one final comment, which is Trump's interest in hosting foreign leaders.

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<v Speaker 3>I think is very much in keeping with his view

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<v Speaker 3>of the role of the United States president, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's one of the things that he very much

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<v Speaker 3>likes about the job. All the foreign leaders coming to

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<v Speaker 3>pay tribute and kiss the ring and unveil their various

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<v Speaker 3>offerings to him on an effort to try and ensure

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<v Speaker 3>that relations remain as steady as they possibly can so

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<v Speaker 3>while he had the American First agenda, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>this is always one of the perks, or rather, I

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<v Speaker 3>should say challenges, of the job that he's always been

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<v Speaker 3>attracted to.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Kelly is The Australian's Washington DC correspondent. You can

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