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Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, November nineteen, twenty twenty five. We can lift

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Speaker 1: a million Australians out of the welfare trap. That's the

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Speaker 1: vision from Noel Pearson's Cape York Partnership, which is celebrating

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Speaker 1: its twentieth anniversary with a new vision that says finishing

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Speaker 1: year twelve should be the goal for the most disadvantaged

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Speaker 1: Indigenous Australians, new migrants and kids from poor communities. Part

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Speaker 1: of the solution boarding school scholarships to keep vulnerable children

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Speaker 1: away from trouble. That stories live now at the Australian

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Speaker 1: dot com AU wacky, a lunatic, a traitor and worst

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Speaker 1: of all, a Republican in name only rhino. These are

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Speaker 1: insults Donald Trump has thrown at his rivals for years,

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Speaker 1: but now well his target is a woman pivotal to

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Speaker 1: Trump's Make America Great Again movement, Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 1: Green and Trump have fallen out big time over his

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Speaker 1: new role as international peacemaker, his concessions on tariffs and jobs, and,

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Speaker 1: most importantly, the swirling Jeffrey Epstein drama today, who really

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Speaker 1: owns MAGA and why is Donald Trump so very angry?

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Speaker 2: I am withdrawing my support an endorsement of Congresswoman Marjorie

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Speaker 2: Taylor Green of the Great State of Georgia. All I

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Speaker 2: see wacky Marjorie do is complain? Complain, complain?

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Speaker 1: Guess who? Donald Trump's been busy on truth social and

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Speaker 1: we couldn't resist bringing this post to life with our

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Speaker 1: favorite AI generator, Donald Voice.

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Speaker 2: She has told many people that she is upset that

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Speaker 2: I don't return her phone calls anymore. But with two

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Speaker 2: hundred and nineteen congressmen and women, fifty three US Senators,

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Speaker 2: twenty four Cabinet members, almost two hundred countries, and an

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Speaker 2: otherwise normal life to lead, I can't take a ranting

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Speaker 2: lunatics call every day.

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Speaker 1: Joe Kelly is The Australian's correspondent in Washington, DC. Joe,

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Speaker 1: there's a massive political breakup going on in the United States.

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Speaker 1: It's Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Green. She's a Republican

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Speaker 1: congresswoman from Georgia. She's a central figure in the Make

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Speaker 1: America Great Again movement? Why are they breaking up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, it's a fascinating question. Do you ask Claire.

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Speaker 3: The first thing is Marjorie Taylor Green is very much

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Speaker 3: a staunch defender of this make America Great Again, America

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Speaker 3: First agenda that was championed by Donald Trump. She is

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Speaker 3: a hard right conservative populist. She really got into politics

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Speaker 3: because of Donald Trump. But they've had a lot of

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Speaker 3: recent disagreements, and essentially it boils down to Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 3: Green thinking that Donald Trump has taken his eye off

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Speaker 3: the ball and he's not prosecuting his America First agenda

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Speaker 3: or implementing it, at least not to the satisfaction of

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Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Donald Trumps. He usually yells at everybody, so

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Speaker 4: we're all used to it. But he's the president of

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Speaker 4: the United States. And here's something you all may not

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Speaker 4: know about me. I think a lot of people on

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Speaker 4: the left are learning that. When I ran for Congress

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, I ran criticizing Republicans and Democrats equally

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Speaker 4: because I come from a working class family, ran a

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Speaker 4: construction company for over twenty years, and I feel like

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Speaker 4: the government has failed all of us, and it purely

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Speaker 4: discussed me. It really does.

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Speaker 3: She thinks he's spending too much time on his foreign agenda,

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Speaker 3: so she's been critical of his initiatives in the foreign arena,

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Speaker 3: including his handling of the Middle East conflict. She's been

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Speaker 3: very critical of Israel. She said that Israel is committing

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Speaker 3: a genocide in Gaza. She's been critical really of the

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Speaker 3: influence that Israel has over the US political system. She

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Speaker 3: opposed the bombing in Iran. She wants to see America

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Speaker 3: avoid foreign entanglements and wants to ensure Donald Trump upholds

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Speaker 3: that principle. So she was very disappointed recently when President

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Speaker 3: Trump met with the leader of Syria, Ahmad al Shara.

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Speaker 3: She said that that would have been a very disappointing

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Speaker 3: particularly given his former terrorist links. On the domestic agenda,

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Speaker 3: she thinks Donald Trump is making missteps as well. She

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Speaker 3: is concerned about the cost of living crunch, the affordability crisis,

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Speaker 3: which is still ongoing here in America. Inflation is still elevated,

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Speaker 3: was concerned about health insurance premiums going up. She actually

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Speaker 3: very obvious disagreement between her and the president. She's also

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Speaker 3: Chinese students attending American universities. So there's a diverse range

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Speaker 3: of issues, but the big one is the Epstein files,

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Speaker 3: and Marjorie Taylor Green has really championed the release of

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Speaker 1: Democrats released a bunch of Epstein emails last week, and

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Speaker 1: then Trump indicated that he's supportive now of release of more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's an Epstein Act now which is going

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Speaker 3: So this is what Marjorie Taylor Green wants. She supports

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Speaker 3: this particular piece of legislation. Donald Trump, of course, tried

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, at the last minute, despite trying to prevent

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Speaker 3: to avoid. And clearly, I think Marjorie Taylor Green had

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Speaker 3: become a symbol of this defiance from Republicans, and I

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is that Marjorie Taylor Green has been such

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Speaker 3: probably didn't want to see someone else laying claim to

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Speaker 3: a portion of his Maga constituency.

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Speaker 1: Well, he says, in fact, that Maga is him. You

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Speaker 1: know that he created it.

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Speaker 2: And forget Mago was my idea. Mega was nobody else's idea.

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Speaker 2: I know what Maga wants better than anybody else, and

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Speaker 2: Maga wants to see our country thrive.

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Speaker 1: This has gotten Napoleonic vibes about it, I think, Joe,

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Speaker 1: what is the truth? Now? Do you think about the

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Speaker 1: closely associated with Donald Trump? Is it right for him

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Speaker 1: to say that this is his or has it now

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Speaker 3: Well, I think two things can be true at the

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Speaker 3: he's really proud of this. He've viewsed this as one

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Speaker 3: But Trump won't be around forever, and so there is

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Speaker 3: than you might think. So, we have the midterms next year.

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Speaker 3: Things aren't looking that good for Donald Trump. It's usual

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Speaker 3: So if things don't go well for Trump, we really

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Speaker 3: by the end of next year. Claire, So, I think

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has this at the back of his mind.

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Speaker 3: I also think it's probably why he continually flirts with

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Speaker 3: But at some point, I think Donald Trump will address

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think Donald Trump will be

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Speaker 3: very protective of his legacy.

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Speaker 1: Coming up the Big temptation. Donald Trump has fallen victim

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Speaker 1: to one of the insults he's thrown at Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 1: Apart from traitor and wacky and lunatic, is rhino publican

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Speaker 1: his supporters throughout the old school Republicans, the people who

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Speaker 1: She was elected to Congress in twenty twenty on this

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Speaker 4: I mean, is it going to be true that the

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Speaker 3: Is it true?

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Speaker 4: Is the type of corruption we're going to see come out?

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Speaker 4: Is it going to be Satanic worship that possibly all

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Grain is a loud and proud anti Semite.

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Speaker 1: She believes in QAnon, you know, conspiracy theories about pedophiles.

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Speaker 1: That obviously feeds her views about Epstein.

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Speaker 4: I would say, I would like to say, humbly, I'm

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Speaker 4: sorry for taking part and the toxic politics. It's very

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Speaker 1: where he is the international peacemaker, he's a statesman. He's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right, Claire. So Donald Trump took

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Speaker 3: where the United States Trade Representative Jamison Greer really unleashed

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Speaker 3: that's why he's been clearly so engaged and singling her

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Speaker 3: But you made this point about some of the decisions

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Speaker 3: are seeing him recalibrate his political strategy now, Claire. So

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Speaker 3: he's back down on some of his reciprocal tariffs because

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Speaker 3: one final comment, which is Trump's interest in hosting foreign leaders.

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Speaker 3: I think is very much in keeping with his view

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