1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the Front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, January seven, twenty twenty sixth in South Wales's 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: newest Supreme Court judge is a silk who's worked closely 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: with the Labour Friends of Palestine group. The state's opposition 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: is demanding the government review the appointment of Philip Bolton sc. 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: That's as a group of eminent legal figures demand Anthony 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: Albanezi call a Royal commission into the December fourteenth massacre 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: at Bondai. Every summer here at the Front, we try 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: to serve up some episodes that match the holiday mood, 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: a bit of a break from the grind of hardcore news, 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: but still enough to get you thinking and laughing with 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: us on your long drives, your walks on the beach, 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: all while finally cleaning out that cupboard. One of the 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: most astute podcast listeners I know is The Front's producer, 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: Kristin Amiot. So today she's going to tell us what 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: she loves and what she doesn't among the podcast options 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: out there. First up, Kristen introduces a show that's already 18 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: become one of my new favorites, with the delightfully English name. 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: Wanging on with Graham Norton and Maria mcurlain. 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: Dear Graham and Maria, I've been happily married for thirty years. 21 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 3: Done but my wife. 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: I know I'm going to failt to laugh now, but 23 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: my wife has just started to smell dead. I've been 24 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: monitoring her showers. 25 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: Who's going to tell him? I think. 26 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: It's over. 27 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: You've got that, so, Claire. Something that people may not 28 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: know about me is that I am an absolute sucker 29 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 4: for agony aunt style content. I love a letter writer column. 30 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: I love nosing in on what people's problems are or 31 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 4: what their perceived problems are, and I love to see 32 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: the responses that are given by generations of writers all 33 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: over the planet. 34 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: And so when I saw. 35 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 4: That Graham Norton and his very good friend in the industry, 36 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 4: Maria McLane had a podcast in this ilk, I was 37 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 4: absolutely thrilled and I was not disappointed. 38 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: Hi, Graham and Maria. I'm a forty year old mamma 39 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: three with a bizarre phobia of the wrinkly hands you 40 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: get when you've been in water for ages. I have 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: watered my children in the bath with yellow rubber gloves 42 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: on since they were babies. Yeah, no fetishes there when 43 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: they're grown up, right, and when I had to go 44 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: swimming with them, much to my disdain, I walk around 45 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: the pool with tea arms raised above the water for 46 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: fear of wrinkling pruning skin. 47 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: Why is that woman surrendering in the shallow end? 48 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: Someone is going to shooter? Yeah, I give up. Yeah. 49 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: The Brits do advice columns so well, and they're fantastic 50 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: columns in various British newspapers. The Americans do it well too, 51 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: but the British ones are funny as opposed to the 52 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: American ones, which tend to be very earnest. 53 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, the Americans very earnest. The Brits. That stiff 54 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 4: upper lip kind of culture definitely comes through in this 55 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: type of content, I think. But also then you layer 56 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 4: on top of that Graham Norton, who in my mind, 57 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 4: can do absolutely no wrong. He manages to be the 58 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 4: most entertaining, the most compelling person in any room that 59 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: he's in, and he is in rooms with the biggest 60 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 4: celebrities on the planet on a weekly basis on his 61 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 4: TV show, and yet he is just he has his 62 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 4: own gravitational force, and then when he brings the friendship 63 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 4: that he had with Maria McLane forged over decades in 64 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 4: the industry together, it is just podcast magic. 65 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: Have you got any problems you would like them to solve? Not? 66 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 4: I mean, sure, yes, I don't know if they've got 67 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 4: time on their podcast to solve my problems. But what 68 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 4: I wrote in my review of this podcast was that 69 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 4: as much as I love agony art style content, for me, 70 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 4: the downfall of it is that I never actually get 71 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 4: to know if these people implemented the advice that they 72 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 4: were given, if they even heard it. I want to 73 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 4: know if what these people are told maybe is the 74 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 4: best course of action, if it actually happens, and if 75 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: it works. 76 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: I sometimes wonder if the questions are real. Do you 77 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: get the sense that these questions are from real human beings? 78 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: I think it. 79 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 4: Could go either way. Some of them are so far 80 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: fetched that you have to wonder if somebody invented them. 81 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 4: But also would somebody dream up some of this kind 82 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: of stuff? I don't know, but I like to think. Again, 83 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: being nosy, I have to think, this is what's going 84 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 4: on in people's lives. 85 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: We're here to talk about your summer listening recommendations as 86 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: are in house podcast expert, and I love the fact 87 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: that one of them has got a water slide in it. 88 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 4: I was so pleasantly surprised by this podcast. It's called 89 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 4: Slippery Slope. 90 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 5: Mount iSER one of the most remote places in Australia, 91 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 5: nay the world, smack bang in the middle of Queensland. 92 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 5: They had it all pub Cowboys Rodeo twenty four hour 93 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 5: machas a massive mine, but something was missing. 94 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: It's hosted by Australian comedians Brad Oaks and Dave O'Neill 95 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 4: and they first heard about this story on a work trip. 96 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 4: They were doing gigs in the Queensland mining town of 97 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 4: Mount iSER. They heard about Mount Isa's missing water slide. 98 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: And the podcast starts in this format of a kind 99 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 4: of satirical true crime investigation about what happened to this 100 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: water slide. And I don't want to spoil for anybody 101 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: what that was, but it involves pirates, it involves the 102 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 4: Sewers Canal, and it involves COVID. There's a small town 103 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: rivalry with one of the other towns up the road 104 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 4: who already has a water slide. It has everything and 105 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 4: it actually evolves into this really nice look at Australian culture, 106 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 4: at small communities, regional towns. And the really nice thing 107 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: about it is that the comedians who host it are 108 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 4: at pains to say through the course of these episodes 109 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: that they are not journalists. But these are really great scripts. 110 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 4: They've actually done some really good, interesting interviews. They're funny, 111 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: but they're also not poking fun at people who live 112 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 4: in small towns. So it's really fun to listen to 113 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 4: over a summer, I think with your family in the 114 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 4: car if you're driving somewhere. 115 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: You grew up in the New South Wales central West 116 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: Country town of Kunabara, brand was there a waterslide? 117 00:06:59,400 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: There was. 118 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 4: There's a water slide at a little theme park that 119 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 4: we had called Miniland, which was dinosaur themed. There was 120 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: one and the pool was the main event. It was 121 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 4: always my great dream to purchase Miniland and run it 122 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 4: as an adult, but unfortunately it is no longer there. 123 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 4: Maybe one day. 124 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: I grew up in Canberra, where there was no water 125 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,559 Speaker 1: slide at all, but there was a tower to jump 126 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: off or be pushed off, which felt to me like 127 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: it was three hundred meters high. I'm sure it was 128 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: at a height that would no longer be approved by 129 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: any council, and it has now been taken down after 130 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: various broke ankles and necks and whatever falling off it 131 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: or jumping off it. I remember vividly getting halfway up 132 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: the stairs and then having to go back down in 133 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: shame while my brother and his friends tormented me. It's 134 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: in towns like that. Inland town's the pool and water 135 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: are so important in summer, aren't they. 136 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 4: Oh so important? That's where everybody congregates. And that has 137 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: just reminded me about another feature of Miniland, which was 138 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 4: one of those really big slides. Again absolutely would not 139 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: get anywhere you're an approval in this day and age, 140 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: because it was just metal about ten to fifteen meters high, 141 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: sitting in the baking hot sun for hours on end, 142 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 4: and all you got was this heitsian sack to sit 143 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 4: on and slide down, and you'd come out the other 144 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 4: end with third degree burns and go great, let's go again. 145 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: That was Mom' say, stop complaining exactly. I love the 146 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: fact that you honored the writing in that podcast. We 147 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: work a lot on long form narrative podcasts and it's broader, 148 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: kind of journalistic writing to audiences that perhaps would never 149 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: click on a feature article or go on by a 150 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: magazine with really long, multi thousand word pieces of writing. 151 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: And these long form podcasts are really long. They're like 152 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: multiple books, aren't they? 153 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 6: They are. 154 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: And what I wrote in my review of Slippery Slope 155 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: was that the best podcast like this I like Keyhole Surgery. 156 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 4: All the work, the intricate, detailed work, happens on the inside. 157 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: You can't really see it, and that is what this 158 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 4: podcast is. Despite the fact that these comedians don't want 159 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 4: anybody to think that they are journalists, they've actually done 160 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 4: a better job, in my opinion, than some journalists have 161 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 4: done in pulling an expansive story together an informative story 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 4: at the end of the day in a really entertaining way. 163 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 4: And so what I said is that maybe the better 164 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 4: way to explain it is to say that it is 165 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 4: all killer, no filler. They've taken out the ums and 166 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 4: the ars, they've taken out the long rambling conversations, and 167 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 4: what's left is a really entertaining informative show. 168 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: A lot of these long form podcasts are of course, 169 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: based around much more serious topics like murder. We've produced 170 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: several of them ourselves. Your podcast of the Year recommendation 171 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: is a little bit like this, and it comes from 172 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: Canada's public broadcaster Tell me about that. 173 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 4: That series is called Sea of Lies, and I'm not 174 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: unique in recommending it as the podcast of the year. 175 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: It has appeared on I think every best podcast list 176 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 4: that I've seen published to date, and absolutely justifiably so. 177 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 4: It is a true crime investigation. It's hosted by a writer, 178 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 4: journalist podcaster named Sam Mullins. He's Canadian and there's research 179 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 4: and reporting done by Alex Gatonbe. It tells the story 180 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 4: of a nineteen nineties Canadian swindler who at one point 181 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 4: was one of the most wanted people in Canada or 182 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: on the planet. He was involved in identity theft, fraud, 183 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 4: and even murder, we learn at the outset of this series. 184 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: But what was really amazing and compelling about this series 185 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 4: is that as much as it is a serious, heartbreaking story, 186 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 4: it doesn't feel exploitative of the subjects, and there are 187 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 4: even moments of humor that are definitely woven in there 188 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 4: by Sam Mullins and by his colleagues. 189 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I would say he looked like a good 190 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: looking Cliff Richard. Cliff Richard is good looking, but he 191 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: reminded me of Cliff Richard. 192 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 5: Hold up. 193 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: This references a little before my Time Cliff Richard images 194 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 3: search oh Elaine. 195 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: One of the challenges with telling stories about murdering this 196 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: format is that you have to walk a very fine 197 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: line between journalism and entertainment. We know that people consume 198 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: long form podcasts as a form of entertainment. It's like 199 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: reading a book or watching a movie, but they have 200 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: high expectations of the gravitas and seriousness with which you're 201 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: going to treat the subject matter. A lot of people 202 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: don't get that right. How did you feel that manage that? 203 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 4: I thought it was really sensitively done. I think in 204 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 4: the bad old days, at the outset of podcasting, when 205 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 4: people realized that there was such a hunger for these 206 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 4: types of stories, victims were not generally the center of 207 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 4: those stories. This story, See of Lies starts with an 208 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 4: unknown person being pulled from the water off the coast 209 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 4: of the UK, and what it does over the course 210 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 4: of that series is to give this person his identity back. 211 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: It finds out the kind of life that he lived, 212 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 4: It determines how he came to die in this quite sad, 213 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 4: lonely manner, and so I think bringing victims back to 214 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 4: the center of these stories and teaching us something about 215 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 4: ourselves in the process is how the medium has evolved 216 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 4: over a couple of decades. 217 00:12:51,800 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: Now coming up, Kristen finally sees the light on Megan Michael. Chrissy, 218 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: you and I work together on our daily podcast, The Front, 219 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: and on lots of our long form podcasts, including one 220 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: that is definitely my podcast of the year, It's Sick 221 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: to Death by Headley Thomas. I had to put a 222 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: plug in for that, oh, I saidly we cross, so 223 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: we talk about everything all day every day. We're often 224 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: debating ideas and stories, and something that we have never 225 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: quite agreed on, and you've been very diplomatic about this, 226 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: is that I can't stand Meghan Michael, and I think 227 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: you were much more generous towards Meghan and I had 228 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: a moment of just exquisite triumph this year when you 229 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: listen to her podcast, I think against your will and 230 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: decided that you do also think she's a bit of 231 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: a pain. 232 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I look, I don't have strong feelings either way. 233 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 4: I am Meghan Markel agnostic. I think you could say. 234 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 4: But I listened to her podcast, which is to the 235 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 4: launch of her business as ever. 236 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: I'm Megan, and this is Confessions of a Female Founder, 237 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: a show where a chat with female entrepreneurs and friends 238 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: about the sleepless nights, the lessons learned, and the laser 239 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: focus that got them to where they are today. 240 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 4: And almost from the outset, I just I couldn't figure 241 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 4: out the point of it. It was somehow all about 242 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 4: her and yet nothing to do with her. And I 243 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 4: didn't ever buy that she is having the same experience 244 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 4: as a multi multimillionaire who is quite literally royalty, as 245 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 4: somebody who's sitting in their garage selling things on Etsy. 246 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: I just couldn't buy it. As much as I was 247 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 4: prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt, it 248 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 4: just didn't come across as authentic to me. But what 249 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 4: I did enjoy was hearing those stories, was learning about 250 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: some of these founders, some more than others, and I 251 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 4: definitely we believe that those women deserve that platform. 252 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: That's one of the issues that I have with Meghan 253 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: Markeal look at I don't actually dislike her. I think 254 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: she's probably a very nice person, but her I think 255 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: content is absolutely insufferable. And one of the problems I 256 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: have with it is that she attracts because she's a duchess. 257 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: Just ask her pretty great guests, you know, really impressive people. 258 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: In her cooking show with Love Megan on Netflix, which 259 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: is now being canceled, she is able to get celebrity 260 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: chefs and very inspiring, really impressive people, and then she 261 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: shows them how to make croissants or something. You know, 262 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: it's like, learn from these people, let them tell their stories. 263 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: Why are you showing them how to decant pinut butter 264 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: pretzels into a plastic bag. And I haven't listened to 265 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: the podcast mainly because I just don't have time. But 266 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: that's the same thing. You've got people on there, like 267 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: Whitney wolf Heard, impressive business women. Listen to them. 268 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 4: Listen to them, Yes, listen to them. And she is 269 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 4: an extremely fascinating character. 270 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: Whitney wolf Heard. 271 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: I did find some of the points that she made 272 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 4: again a little bit difficult, and I thought it was 273 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 4: an interesting choice to have that be the first episode 274 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: of this new podcast series, because Whitney wolf Heard famously 275 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 4: one of the founders of Tinder then left that company 276 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 4: and started Bumble which is another dating app that was 277 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 4: predicated on the idea that women should be able to 278 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 4: make the first move because men had buy and large 279 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 4: shown that they could not be trusted on dating apps 280 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 4: to be normal, and that was a revolutionary idea at 281 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 4: the time. She was also only in her twenties, I 282 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 4: think when she did that, but she got onto this 283 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: podcast with Megan Markl and then kind of insinuated in 284 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 4: my interpretation of the conversation that actually, women are being 285 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 4: treated badly in dating because they don't love themselves enough. 286 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 6: Down too, as I had to learn how to like 287 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 6: myself over the years, and when I look back on 288 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 6: these relationships, I'm like, oh, I must have really hated 289 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 6: myself because they tolerated that and I put up with that. 290 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, look, I think you and I have really connected 291 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 7: on that in a huge way. 292 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: But I remember a quote from years ago. 293 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 7: I can't remember who said it, but it's something to 294 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 7: the effect of it's not verbatim. In a world that 295 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 7: capitalizes on your self doubt, loving yourself is a revolutionary act. 296 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 6: I love that quote. It's some version of that, You're 297 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 6: right or. 298 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 3: Even liking yourself is a revolutionary act. 299 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 7: Yes, yes, you know you create a space with the intention, 300 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 7: even if it morphed into something that ended up dating 301 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 7: aligned the root, the origin was still about autonomy, self love, 302 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 7: making sure that you could really advocate for yourself and 303 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 7: be in a relationship or even the possibility of a 304 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 7: relationship that's rooted in something that's healthy. 305 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: So it's our fault exactly. 306 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 4: It is the fault of the women who have been 307 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 4: put through the ringer by the dating apps that she 308 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 4: and people around her created. So that was a little 309 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 4: bit hard to buy and that's probably where I went, oh, 310 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 4: this is not what I thought it was going to be, 311 00:17:58,880 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 4: and it's also not for. 312 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: Me, Kristen. I'll be listening to those over summer and 313 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: I'll look forward to us getting back together after our. 314 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: Holidays, getting the band back together. 315 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, but really the best podcast of the year 316 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: is Sick to Death, created by our team here at 317 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: The Australian, written and hosted by Headley Thomas and edited 318 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: by Jasper League. It's available right now at Sick todeth 319 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: podcast dot com.