WEBVTT - 'A horrifying new pattern': Palestinians killed as they wait for aid

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<v Speaker 1>Two days when it's day drawn twenty fifth, twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>and it's still am.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an emergency doctor living and working in central Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't tell you his name or where he works

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<v Speaker 2>because he's worried for his safety. But since last week

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<v Speaker 2>we've been gathering voice notes from people working in hospitals there.

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<v Speaker 1>Now approaching its second year, this war has drained us physically,

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally and systemically.

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<v Speaker 2>Last week, he was on night shift at the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>when he heard screams.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just past midnight when the screens began and

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of wounded flooded buddies everywhere, cries blood on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>He rushed the emergency room, where he saw ten patients

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<v Speaker 2>in a critical condition. There were four beds. The rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the people were lying bleeding on the floor. Amid

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<v Speaker 2>the chaos, someone shouted that one of the men on

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<v Speaker 2>the floor had a head injury. When the doctor came closer,

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<v Speaker 2>he recognized as the man in front of him. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a fellow doctor who he'd worked alongside.

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<v Speaker 1>I tricked his pulse.

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<v Speaker 3>He was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>A tank fired a pullet and shattered his skull. He

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<v Speaker 1>died immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>When he died, this doctor had been trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>food for his family at an AID point.

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<v Speaker 1>Even doctors here are starving. Most of us haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>paid in months. We work twenty for our shifts with

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<v Speaker 1>a single mir Doctor Rames died seeking food for himself

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<v Speaker 1>for his children. May Allah rist his sole and bees.

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<v Speaker 1>He honored his duty and died with dignity.

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<v Speaker 2>The doctor who sent this note described a horrifying new

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<v Speaker 2>pattern of casualties in Gaza's hospitals. Civilians seeking food for

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<v Speaker 2>their families are being targeted by Israeli forces. According to

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<v Speaker 2>authorities in Gaza, at least five hundred eighty three people

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<v Speaker 2>have been killed in the past month at aid distribution centers.

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<v Speaker 1>The situation here is catastrophic. Our hospitals are collapsing, our

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<v Speaker 1>lives are shattered, and the world must look away.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am today, the risk

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<v Speaker 2>of seeking aid in Gaza and the reality of providing

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<v Speaker 2>medical care as the bombardment continues. It's Tuesday, July one.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Ezizrahaman is an American doctor who's just completed a

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<v Speaker 2>two week rotation in Gaza. Like the doctor you've just

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<v Speaker 2>heard from, he spent the last few weeks treating patients

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<v Speaker 2>whose families say they were shot out while waiting.

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<v Speaker 5>For eight we were stationed at Naser Hospital, so we

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<v Speaker 5>stayed at the hospital for the full two weeks. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>the hospital itself is a green zone, but immediately around

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<v Speaker 5>it is a red zone. So red zone basically means

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<v Speaker 5>it's fair game for Israel to drop a bomb. So

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<v Speaker 5>we were told to stay at the hospital at all times,

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<v Speaker 5>not even going outside into the safe grounds, just because

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<v Speaker 5>shrapnel can be at risk at any point. Because there's

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<v Speaker 5>bombing happening two hundred meters away. Pretty much every thirty minutes,

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<v Speaker 5>we're hearing some sort of a bomb and machine gun

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<v Speaker 5>fire in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're working in a trauma base, so working with

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<v Speaker 2>the people who are directly impacted by those blasts that

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<v Speaker 2>you're hearing. So how many people are you seeing come

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<v Speaker 2>through at any given time.

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<v Speaker 5>I think one of the days was sixty dead and

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<v Speaker 5>three hundred injured. We're talking about thirty are pretty much

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<v Speaker 5>dead on arrival, thirty are pretty much headshots, so very

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<v Speaker 5>poor prognoses, you know that. Thirty or pretty much neck

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<v Speaker 5>or spine shots where they're going to be paralyzed neck down.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes just the legs, but and then everything in between,

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<v Speaker 5>whether it be the shots and the lungs, the heart

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<v Speaker 5>requiring chest tubes, pericardial drains. And when you ask these patients'

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<v Speaker 5>families like where were these patients coming from, you almost

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<v Speaker 5>always hear the same story that they were trying to

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<v Speaker 5>get food for the family at these Gods of Humanitarian

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<v Speaker 5>fun ghf AID sites. And when we're extracting the bullets

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<v Speaker 5>from these patients, we're seeing you know, rifle caliber rounds, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking about people being shot in the head

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<v Speaker 2>or the neck. So that's a very targeted shooting, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Right exactly, It's a very accurate shot. And the thing

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<v Speaker 5>is we're not just seeing it in men. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 5>it in children. We're seeing it in women. And then

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<v Speaker 5>you'll have you know, shrapnel injuries coming from different bombing sites.

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<v Speaker 5>We actually saw a pregnant woman with a fetus that

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<v Speaker 5>we had to abort and the bullet went right through

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<v Speaker 5>the fetus intrauterine. And she's thirty years old and we

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<v Speaker 5>had to do a hysterectomy, so she's never gonna have

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<v Speaker 5>a a child ever again. So you know, you hear

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<v Speaker 5>it on the news but seeing with your own eyes,

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't make much rational sense, it doesn't make any

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<v Speaker 5>moral sense, and you see the pain that it caused

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<v Speaker 5>to the family.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a doctor in this hospital, tell me more

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<v Speaker 2>about the challenges in terms of having to make decisions

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<v Speaker 2>about how you treat people, how serious someone's injuries might be,

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<v Speaker 2>and who gets trianged first.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's a great question. So it was very disheartening

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<v Speaker 5>to see how they have to do it. But if

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<v Speaker 5>a patient has a bulletshot to the head, even if

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<v Speaker 5>it's potentially survivable, they may forego that patient for someone

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<v Speaker 5>who has less injury, and they basically just put that

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<v Speaker 5>patient from what they call the red zone in the

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<v Speaker 5>trauma bay to the black zone in the trauma bay

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<v Speaker 5>where that patient kind of just dies off and there's

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<v Speaker 5>just no time or resources to let the physicians and

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<v Speaker 5>nurses and texts take care of that patient. The National

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<v Speaker 5>House for those twelve ICU beds, at one point there

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<v Speaker 5>had eighty ICU patients eight and zero to the point

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<v Speaker 5>that we're putting ICO patients on wards. And the words

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<v Speaker 5>obviously just don't have the supplies and the specialized nurses

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<v Speaker 5>and specialized care that it takes for an ICU, so

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<v Speaker 5>you can imagine not enough ventilators, is not enough oxygen tanks,

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<v Speaker 5>and every single medical supply in between was a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what is it like for you treating these injuries?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, as physicians, we like to compartmentalize our emotions.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the first time we saw it, it was

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<v Speaker 5>quite overwhelming to see brain matter on the floor literally,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, intestines what we call extravagating outside of the

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<v Speaker 5>abdomen and just trying to tape it back in, and

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<v Speaker 5>the extent of human beings injured into a small trauma bay.

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<v Speaker 5>Noster Hospital was not made for this, so this trauma

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<v Speaker 5>bay is not massive by any means. And to the point,

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<v Speaker 5>there's not enough beds, so families are just putting the

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<v Speaker 5>patient on the floor, which is extremely dirty. It's blood everywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>You're trying to step between patients and you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>bottom of your shoe has blood all over it. We

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<v Speaker 5>actually had to move a patient and you know that

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<v Speaker 5>we didn't evaluate the back of the head yet and

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<v Speaker 5>there was brain just being you know, slid all over

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<v Speaker 5>the ground. So, I mean it was terrible, but we

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<v Speaker 5>didn't have time to process it. I found myself not

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<v Speaker 5>crying in Gaza. But when I got back to the States,

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<v Speaker 5>I found myself, you know, randomly just crying and randomly

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<v Speaker 5>staring into space. Just I think this is how I'm

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<v Speaker 5>processing it. But when I was there, there was just

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<v Speaker 5>no time to process it. It was just constant every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, doctor Brahman, thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate you talking with me today.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby off to the brain A deadly game of red

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<v Speaker 2>light green light for Gazans seeking food. Earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 2>on March TI, the Israeli government imposed a total blockade

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<v Speaker 2>on aid like food and medicine entering Gaza. When the

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<v Speaker 2>blockade was finally lifted, Israel didn't let the UN and

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<v Speaker 2>regular aid agencies go back to work. Instead, Israel took control,

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<v Speaker 2>creating aid distribution sites run by a private American company.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Gazans must go to highly militarized zones to collect food.

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<v Speaker 2>In reporting this story, our team reached out to around

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<v Speaker 2>a dozen people living in Gaza. Many of them are

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<v Speaker 2>too physically and emotionally exhausted to speak publicly about their experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>but they told us some version of the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The aid system in Gaza is deliberately broken. Another doctor

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<v Speaker 2>who sent us voice notes described his relative good fortune.

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<v Speaker 2>His stockpiled enough food to avoid the aid points where

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<v Speaker 2>billions are being attacked, and he won't let any of

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<v Speaker 2>his family go near them either.

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<v Speaker 3>We have this concert here in Guz that if you

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<v Speaker 3>have enough money, you can buy your safety by not

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<v Speaker 3>going there to the getge of center and instend spend

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<v Speaker 3>your money on those overly briced goods.

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<v Speaker 2>As he tells us about the inflated prices of basic goods,

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<v Speaker 2>you can hear explosions in the background.

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<v Speaker 3>A kilogram of sugar used to cost one dollar before

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<v Speaker 3>the war and even during the seas fire, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>now almost one hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>He says. For those who can't pay and have no

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<v Speaker 2>choice but to go to these aid points, it's chaotic.

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<v Speaker 2>Drones fill the air and soldiers surround the eight points.

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<v Speaker 2>People are only allowed to go there when the IDF

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<v Speaker 2>says so, but there is no set schedule and little

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<v Speaker 2>warning about when they'll get the green light.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a few drones that when the center or

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<v Speaker 3>door it turns on a green light indicating that it's

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<v Speaker 3>urban and start broadcasting. A voice by Eida christa rooms,

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<v Speaker 3>telling them that it is urban and you can claim

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<v Speaker 3>your head within, for example, twenty minutes and leave as

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<v Speaker 3>soon as boshof.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Israeli newspaper Herets late last week, Israeli soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>admitted to deliberately firing at unarmed people waiting for aid

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<v Speaker 2>as a form of crowd control. The soldier told haretes

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<v Speaker 2>that once the center opens, the shooting stops, and they

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<v Speaker 2>know they can approach. Our only form of communication is gunfire,

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<v Speaker 2>the soldier said. The Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Etnahu and

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<v Speaker 2>Defense Minister Israel Katz rejected the testimony as malicious falsehoods.

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<v Speaker 3>One of our neighbors who was killed there was shot

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<v Speaker 3>in his abdomen. He's a guy in his thirties. He's

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<v Speaker 3>a father for three kids. Last rewards that those who

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<v Speaker 3>brought him to the hospital have mentioned, and I quote

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<v Speaker 3>here a man at susa Ula the car home sectem

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<v Speaker 3>Johnny in which translated for I beg you must to

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<v Speaker 3>let go of my kids, Please careful them. I left

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<v Speaker 3>them Hungary.

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<v Speaker 2>On Friday, the United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterrez called

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<v Speaker 2>these aid centers inherently unsafe, saying the search for food

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<v Speaker 2>must never be a death sentence. Olga trev Co works

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<v Speaker 2>for the UN in humanitarian affairs. She's currently in Gaza City.

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<v Speaker 2>So Olga, welcome to seven AM. Thank you for coming

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. Thanks for having me, Olga. The Haretz

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<v Speaker 2>report quoted an Israeli soldier describing what is happening at

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<v Speaker 2>eight Points as a version of the children's game red

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<v Speaker 2>Light Green Light. When you read that report, what did

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<v Speaker 2>you think.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we're clearly seeing that they are extremely dangerous. These

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't call them aid sites. I would say these

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<v Speaker 4>are militarized areas that put people at risk and force

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<v Speaker 4>people to choose between an impossible choice.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's being distributed by a new organization, a group

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<v Speaker 2>back by the US and Israeli governments. What do you

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<v Speaker 2>know about the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're not part of this scheme in any way,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've made our position quite clear that we cannot

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<v Speaker 4>participate in a scheme that is not in line with

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<v Speaker 4>humanitarian principles that have been globally established. And we have

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<v Speaker 4>also repeatedly emphasized that we had a system in place

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<v Speaker 4>and we continue to have a system in place that

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<v Speaker 4>has been tested over many years, and we have decades

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<v Speaker 4>of experience in delivering aid and making sure that it

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<v Speaker 4>actually reaches the people in need and does not force

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<v Speaker 4>them to walk long distances or in anyway puts them

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<v Speaker 4>that additional risk that they may face at these locations,

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<v Speaker 4>and our position hasn't changed on that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you mentioned this a little bit. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>more about what impact all of this is having on

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<v Speaker 2>the people who do still need aid in Gaza. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>how are they now approaching this?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, it's really difficult to go out

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<v Speaker 4>anywhere in Gaza and see the faces of the people

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<v Speaker 4>and the kind of the carrying the weight of the

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<v Speaker 4>world's in difference on their shoulders. Some of them, I feel,

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<v Speaker 4>are really losing hope at this stage. Others are just

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<v Speaker 4>basically living from hour to hour, from day to day,

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<v Speaker 4>and they really don't know where their next meal is

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<v Speaker 4>going to come from. Of course, they cut corners everywhere,

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<v Speaker 4>and they prioritize their children over themselves. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't recognize some of my friends when I don't see

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<v Speaker 4>them for a few days, and then they come and

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<v Speaker 4>see me and they will have gotten so much dinner

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<v Speaker 4>and really unrecognizable at this point, So I think the

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<v Speaker 4>situation that we have now is the worst that we've

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<v Speaker 4>ever seen. I mean, all indicators are pointing to the

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<v Speaker 4>negative direction, including malnutrition of course continues to increase, and

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<v Speaker 4>the types of aight they're allowed to enter are not

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<v Speaker 4>everything that is needed. So shelter, for example, hasn't entered

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<v Speaker 4>for over four months. Same with fuel. It's been about

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<v Speaker 4>four months since any fuel has entered Gaza at all,

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<v Speaker 4>and the severity of it now really cannot be overstated.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, if no fuel enters within immediate really within

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<v Speaker 4>the immediate term, we will face immediate loss of life

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<v Speaker 4>because more vital life saving equipment will have to shut down.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, what in your view needs to happen to

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<v Speaker 2>ensure the safe district aid now in Gaza, Well, it's

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<v Speaker 2>very simple.

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<v Speaker 4>What needs to happen is a consistent and unrestricted flow

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<v Speaker 4>of aid into Gaza through the various corridors that we have,

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<v Speaker 4>through the multiple crossings that are available. So they need

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<v Speaker 4>to open more crossings. They need to allow us to

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<v Speaker 4>bring aid and supplies into Gaza through these multiple corridors,

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<v Speaker 4>and our work needs to be enabled. I mean some

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<v Speaker 4>of our missions take days to complete and even then,

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<v Speaker 4>some of them, you know, may have waited for forty

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<v Speaker 4>plus hours and didn't actually come out with anything because

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<v Speaker 4>it was too dangerous, or you know, there was fighting

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<v Speaker 4>taking place and we have to maneuver our movements in

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<v Speaker 4>between the offensive that is ongoing. But beyond that, I

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<v Speaker 4>want to note that it's not just about aid. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't put a number on the dignity. They need

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<v Speaker 4>much more than food, and they need much more than

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<v Speaker 4>just humanitarian assistance. They need life to have some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of semblance here, because I don't think that people have

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<v Speaker 4>felt like they've had any sort of life. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>these conditions that were called living, they're not living conditions

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<v Speaker 4>in any way.

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<v Speaker 2>And why do you think it is that Israel is

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<v Speaker 2>not allowing that unrestricted aid?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think that would be a question for them.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have an answer for that. We obviously have

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<v Speaker 4>done everything that we possibly could, and we continue to

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<v Speaker 4>do everything in our power to appeal to anyone who

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<v Speaker 4>is listening to highlight the extent of the needs and

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<v Speaker 4>that the only way to address them is by allowing

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<v Speaker 4>everything that is needed here to enter.

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<v Speaker 2>Olga, thank you so much for your time today. I

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's Mac Sacsua.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode of seven Am was produced by Haidi pet

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<v Speaker 2>after a nine week trial, the jury in the triple

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<v Speaker 2>murder trial of Mushroom cook Erin Patterson are finally deliberating

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<v Speaker 2>their verdict. Patterson has fleeted not guilty to all charges

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<v Speaker 2>and even took the stand to argue the deaths were

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<v Speaker 2>a tragic accident. Meanwhile, the prosecution called more than fifty

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<v Speaker 2>witnesses to give evidence over the course of the trial.

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<v Speaker 2>The verdict will be delivered once the twelve members of

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<v Speaker 2>the jury unanimously agree and from today. Minimum wages across

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<v Speaker 2>the country are increasing three point five percent. It's expected

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<v Speaker 2>that two point six million Australians will get a pay rise,

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<v Speaker 2>bringing the minimum wage to twenty four four dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five cents an hour, or nine hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight dollars per week. The new financial year also brings

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<v Speaker 2>an increase in employer contributions to superannuation, up from eleven

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<v Speaker 2>point five percent to twelve percent. I'm Ruby Jones. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for listening.