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Speaker 1: Good day Tom, it's Harps, it's Melissa, it's Samuel, and

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Speaker 1: what a fucking day. I'm very excited. Well, I've got

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Speaker 1: to say something. Is like, firstly, let's say hi to Sam. Hi, Sam, Hi?

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Speaker 2: What were you saying?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to say this, Hi, melessa, Hi are

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Speaker 3: you good?

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Speaker 2: Ah? So good?

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Speaker 3: Now you know what I'm going to say because I

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Speaker 3: told you so. I'm a dumb ass. Everyone you know that.

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Speaker 3: But this is what happens.

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Speaker 1: So we do a show every day and I'm doing

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Speaker 1: a PhD and I'm doing corpus, but I do a

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Speaker 1: lot of shit, right, But and I don't get the guests.

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Speaker 1: Melissa and Tiff and THEA get the guests. And I

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Speaker 1: just saw Samuel's name come through, and I went, this

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Speaker 1: is what I saw Samuel's name, which is of course

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Speaker 1: Samuel Johnson, but who I pictured in my mind was

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Speaker 3: Jackson. I'm like, how the fuck.

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Speaker 2: Did they get him?

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Speaker 3: And then I went, oh, no, that's the other dude.

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Speaker 1: That's oh yeah, So mate, for a moment, you were

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Speaker 1: a major world, world beating Hollywood block bust a fucking

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Speaker 2: I remember in the old days, I had a weekly

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Speaker 2: job at Fox FFM all of their teasers and trailers

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Speaker 2: once a week, and wow, I just went once a

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Speaker 2: week to have my regular gig there. And the lift

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Speaker 2: and he was being looked after by a guy called Bag.

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Speaker 2: He was the same guy that used to look after me,

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Speaker 2: Like I knew Bag really well, and so Bag saw

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Speaker 2: an opportunity there, so he went, oh, oh, Samuel Old Jackson,

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Speaker 2: And I went, ah, hi and put my hand out

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Speaker 2: and shook Samuel L. Jackson's hand and he lent in.

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Speaker 2: He went yeah, keep trying, and I was like, oh man.

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Speaker 2: He was like, was he taking the piss? He must

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Speaker 2: his whole team raiding the match and all that kind

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Speaker 2: was taking the piss just before the lift doors closed,

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Speaker 2: after the merchant has gotten and he looked at me

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Speaker 2: and gave me a big wink. He was clearly taking

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Speaker 2: he was being an asshole, but he was being totally

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Speaker 1: Who's the most famous person? Most famous person that you've

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Speaker 1: had a chat with?

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Speaker 2: The royal? One of the royals. I can't remember the

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Speaker 2: name of the royal. It was like it was some

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Speaker 2: And I got invited to this thing, and so I

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Speaker 2: was there with guy Sebastian and we were going, well,

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Speaker 2: what are we doing here? You know, this is kind

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Speaker 2: didn't want to talk to him, because I didn't really

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Speaker 2: and I started looking at all the paintings around the place,

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Speaker 2: and so I was like three rooms away and security

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Speaker 2: rushed up to me, and I thought I was in

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Speaker 2: the wrong area, and they said, no, no, no, the

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Speaker 2: come with me? And so I was made to have

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Speaker 3: Royal, You're the worst fucking monarchist in the world. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And the first thing he said to me was, Jeesu,

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Speaker 2: what I'd done. And so we talked for about ten

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Speaker 3: Fuck.

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Speaker 2: So maybe he was the most famous person. Maybe even

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Speaker 3: How were your balls after three hundred and sixty four

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Speaker 2: The first hundred and one hundred or so days it

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Speaker 2: was putting all kinds of cream on and doing all

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Speaker 2: and I met this guy from the army and he said, no,

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Speaker 2: to fix it that way. Every time you have a break,

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Speaker 2: take your pants off, point your ass at the sun,

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Speaker 2: that for two weeks, my undercarriage dried and it was okay.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, the pain started in that area, in

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Speaker 2: the groinal area. The pain started after about twenty seconds,

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Speaker 2: at least it's not cancer. I'm not dying a cancer.

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Speaker 2: the time, every day, like so, there was no such

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Speaker 2: half denialism, and it was it was half really good

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Speaker 1: Now, the two words to come out of that, kids,

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Speaker 1: if you're taking notes, are groinal not a word, and

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Speaker 1: denihalism also not a word. But thanks to Samuel, we're

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Speaker 2: Hey Craig, Hey Craig, Hey Craig, Before you move on,

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Speaker 2: I've got one for you. I'm ready to shabarkle a shabarkle.

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Speaker 2: It's a chamozel and a debarcle. It's really bad. It's

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Speaker 2: a chamozel and a debarkle a shabarkle. I'm really proud

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Speaker 1: What if you integrated what if you into those two

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Speaker 3: I'll let you get back to me on that.

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Speaker 2: As Sambak or fuck, oh that's funny, mate.

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Speaker 1: Who does anyone I know people call you Sam? But

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Speaker 2: Years? No, we live in Australia. We shorten everything and

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Speaker 2: we add o's and stuff. I'd love to be called Samuel,

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Speaker 2: and Samuel is my preference, and indeed it is my

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Speaker 2: stage name, but I get called Sam. I used to

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Speaker 2: keep the difference because if someone yelled out, hey, Samuel,

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Speaker 2: I knew that they'd seen me on the tally. But

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Speaker 2: if someone yelled out hey Sam, I knew that they

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So that was why I initially liked having a distinction.

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Speaker 2: I now commonly because we've got about nine hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: commonly sign. I commonly sign because it's very personalized. I

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Speaker 2: commonly sign it Sam now. So so I suppose I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I like it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have not I'm definitely not you, but I have.

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Speaker 1: There's three levels. So there's Craig Harper, right, and then

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Speaker 1: there's people around about, you know, people that know me, friends, followers,

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Speaker 1: listeners call me Harps, and then my family and close

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Speaker 1: friends call me Craigo. You're exactly right when you say

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Speaker 1: we shorten it. It's like you can't shorten Craig, so

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Speaker 1: you've got to whack an o on the end of it,

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Speaker 1: and you just become greg O. And like, there are

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Speaker 2: Does Melissa get called mel to call you mal? Or

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Speaker 2: is it a Melissa thing?

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Speaker 4: I'm not that fussy. Welcome to call me whatever, But yeah,

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Speaker 4: a lot of people just assume that it's a mal

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Speaker 4: So I get mail a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Just what do you prefer?

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Speaker 4: I really don't have that much.

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Speaker 4: Probably Melissa, just because I'm although sometimes it depends who

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go.

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Speaker 2: I call my partner of ten years, my greatest inconvenience,

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Speaker 2: that's my that's my way of telling her that I

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Speaker 2: that's not all like call her like we heep adoration

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Speaker 2: wrong idea. But it's it's funny, isn't it How we

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Speaker 2: can play with language so much and calling call people

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Speaker 2: so many different things. Like for example, when people say

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Speaker 2: and I'll get a laugh out of that. I get

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Speaker 2: a different way. And it's you know, like I already

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Speaker 2: want to call you Melbow because because I want to

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Speaker 2: this whole kind of naming and making ship up thing,

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Speaker 2: because I proved, didn't I Craig with the Shabako thing,

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Speaker 2: give one.

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Speaker 1: I think you know that, especially Australians, we're a bit

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Speaker 1: loose with words. We're not we're not renowned for our grammar.

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Speaker 2: We're not renowned for much.

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Speaker 3: No we're not. We're not, you know.

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Speaker 1: But but having having that silliness too, and that cheekiness

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Speaker 1: You've been through lots of shit, and like you know,

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Speaker 1: and we've never met until today.

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Speaker 3: But what I love about you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pissing in your pocket now, which

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Speaker 1: is very UnAustralian, but is that, you know, sometimes just

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Speaker 3: But literally.

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Speaker 2: But then, Craig, you've got humor that you think is

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Speaker 2: about a purple penis in a Russian accent for like

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00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: six months when we were like nineteen. I could totally

436
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 2: remember when I had this heavy Russian accent for six months.

437
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: When I was eleven, I went to Japan as part

438
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: of the Asian Pacific Children's Peace Convention. In my brain injury,

439
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: I was an eleven year old Japanese girl and Now,

440
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: admittedly I was an eleven year old Australian boy who

441
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: visited Japan when I was eleven, but I could reverse

442
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: engineer everything so that all of the loopiness kind of

443
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: made sense. It was just obviously my brain was still

444
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: working everything out.

445
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 3: And apparently your family greatly enjoyed that period of time

446
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: and still reflect on it. The amnesia days.

447
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: I got away with it because my partner, my missus,

448
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: she was there the whole time, so she's traumatized by

449
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: but she can't talk to me about it because I

450
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: can't remember it. And so there's what the medical world

451
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: says is the golden hour, the hour after your injury.

452
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: To get good treatment at a hospital within an hour

453
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: of having a serious injury is really important. They call

454
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: it the golden hour. I'll never know what my missus did,

455
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: but she got praised for making that golden hour truly golden.

456
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: She answered every question very clearly. She didn't cost the

457
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: medics any time, she didn't let anxieties or fears or

458
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: emotions affect anything. She was very calm in a crisis,

459
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 2: whereas I, you know that fight or freeze or thing like,

460
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: I'll run, it's really scary like and I won't understand

461
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: what question they asked me, like, I will just fall

462
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: to pieces in a similar crisis. So there's an eleven

463
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 2: day period that I'm sad that my partner had to

464
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 2: go through, and that I'm glad that I didn't have

465
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: to go through.

466
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 3: What did they do? You remember what?

467
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if they gave odds, but I'm in

468
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: bottom line it Did they think you would live or

469
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: not live?

470
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: No? No, they thought I was I was going to die.

471
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: So my family got put into the dying room. So

472
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: there's they give more privacy to families that are probably

473
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: going to get the bad news. So because we've been

474
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: in the dying room before with my sister's cancer, my

475
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 2: sister and my partner knew what the dying room was.

476
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: So they got taken to a private room with a

477
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: fridge and a television and a sofa to sit on.

478
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: And that was when they told that that They were

479
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: told that I was tanking in emergency, that I arrived

480
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: quite well and was going downhill fast. And it was

481
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: a classic near death experience because many of the medics

482
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: didn't think I'd make it through the night. I was

483
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: touch and go. So it was a true near death.

484
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: Experience, and your brain would correct me if I'm wrong,

485
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: But your brain was somewhat protected because you shielded your

486
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: brain with your face. So your face took Yeah, so

487
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: your face took the brunt, and you broke your skull.

488
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: You broke your face, and you've got fractures in your.

489
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: Neck right right. And they found like the ground, glass

490
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: in my lungs, which is how I knew my face

491
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: must have protected my head somewhat because obviously a face

492
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: planted a windscreen if they found glass inside my lungs. So,

493
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: and my right side was pretty cactus so i'd clearly,

494
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, I'd clearly borne the brunt.

495
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: So now, so that's the accident side, and this side's

496
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: pretty okay.

497
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: So philosophical question, mate, how, if any like, how has it?

498
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure it has, But how has it changed the

499
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: way that you think or the way that you express

500
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: or love or connect with others or your like your worldview?

501
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 3: How has it changed you?

502
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: It's changed me in a number of ways. I'm going

503
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: to keep it really sure. It's made me more grateful

504
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: for today. And I was grateful for today before the accident,

505
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: and I didn't think that that could be bettered. It was.

506
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: It made me calm. I was less anxious, less worried

507
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: about being late, less concerned over trivialities or small things,

508
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: stopped fighting with my partner, entirely, changed enough to the

509
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: point where people who are close to me have said

510
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: to me, what the fuck happened to you? Like like

511
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 2: a lot of so I was really highly strungt now

512
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: I'm just energetic. Like it's pressure and stress and anxiety

513
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: and depression and drug use. And you know, this diagnosis

514
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: of bipolar because my mum committed suicide, so that thought

515
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: I might have that it all kind of built up,

516
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: and this showbiz thing and then having heaps of money,

517
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: it all kind of contributed towards making me pretty fucked up.

518
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: And then I slowly started to address everything. I went

519
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: and saw a dragon alcohol counselor, I went and saw

520
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: a psych. I went and did a couple of different

521
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: charity things. Before love Sis, I was a volunteer on

522
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: the Open Family Youth bus every second Friday. So I

523
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: started doing things that I knew would be good for

524
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: me because it was a constant fight with the devil

525
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: of base hedonism. And then gradually gradually over the course

526
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: of two two and a half decades. I managed to

527
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: get to this point, but the accident accelerated my progress.

528
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: So I had already done the work. I didn't have

529
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: an accident, and then I was magically different. But there

530
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: are a lot of things that are at different levels

531
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: since the accident that markedly like I've been stressed out

532
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: twice since the accident seventeen months ago, once about being

533
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: late for an appointment I didn't realize I had, and

534
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: once about being in the wrong lane and worrying about

535
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: oncoming traffic. And I checked that anger or that frustration

536
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: or that exasperation. That was a real spike in everything.

537
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: I dealt with that really well. So normally, historically that

538
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: would have been enough to send me on a spiral downward.

539
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: Now it's a rare occurrence and I deal with it

540
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: quickly and I'll move on.

541
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: Is it when you're like you said, you.

542
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: Like all your TV stuff, movies, stage stuff, your broad

543
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: massive profile around, doing all the great charity fundraising stuff,

544
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: philanthropic stuff, like you know most Australians know you like

545
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: you live in a country of twenty five million people,

546
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: and probably twenty million.

547
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: People know who you are. They might not know you well,

548
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: but they know your name. They know you right. And

549
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: like you.

550
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: Said, high profile, lots of dough, lots of good shit

551
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: going on, lots of people love you, lots of people

552
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: want to talk to you, hang around you, stroke your ego,

553
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: tell you fucking.

554
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: Awesome and all of that. Is it hard in the

555
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: middle of all of that to not be a dickhead?

556
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: No, because people who get swept up in that kind

557
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: of stuff tend not to survive in that industry. So

558
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: in twenty five years in showbiz, I only really met

559
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: two cockheads, and apart from that they are a really,

560
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: really good people. So the use of drugs and alcohol

561
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: in showbiz is much much lower than the use of

562
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: drugs and alcohol are in trades, for example. So if

563
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: you want to talk about dysfunction and drugs and alcohol

564
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: and that kind of scene, you'd probably be more interested

565
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: in having a conversation with someone that's on a work site.

566
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: It's a very professional environment and kids on home and

567
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: away might do a bit of blowing the toilets at

568
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: the logis, but it's not a good look. It's it's

569
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: really not a good look. I'm not saying that it

570
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. But I don't think it's particularly rampant compared

571
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: to some other industries, and I think it suffers a

572
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: little reputationally because the people that do have a slide

573
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: or a slip like. For example, I'll use myself as

574
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: an example. I was a thug for many years because

575
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: at a casino a guy had done something to my girlfriend.

576
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: I told him he couldn't do it. He put me

577
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: down three times. I ended up going right, I've been

578
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: put down three times. I've got to do something. I

579
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: got the guy down. I stomped him in the head.

580
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: You do not stomp people in the head. You do

581
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: not hit a person when they are down. You do

582
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: I was a thug for ten years because of that.

583
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: You know, you are nothing but a measure of how

584
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: you respond to the mistakes that you make. And I'm

585
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: in a constant battle, as I said before, with the

586
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: base hedonism to try not to become that person. So

587
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: a lot of what I've done in terms of my

588
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: community work is so that I'm not an asshole. Because

589
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: if I didn't concentrate and work really hard on the

590
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: community stuff, I don't trust that i'd make the right

591
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: decisions and I don't trust that i'd be the kind

592
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: of citizen that you'd be happy to have on your podcast.

593
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that, mate.

594
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: I mean for me, that's kind of having That's part

595
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: of the having a purpose bigger than yourself and a

596
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: focus bigger than yourself, you know, which is what you've

597
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: done for very long. We did have We have had

598
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: a We have had a man on a couple of

599
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: times whose first name is Axel and second seconds and

600
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: the second name is Whitehead, who did make a public

601
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: mistake and it's well known and we spoke about him

602
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: getting his wizzer out at the ARIA Awards or something.

603
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: Well that didn't that didn't give his career any kind

604
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: of positive boost. But you know, he said, I grew

605
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: up in the country and I was pissed, and I'm like, Yep,

606
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have done it.

607
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: Though he's like, Yep, definitely should have. But he's going

608
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: all right now. But I think it took him a

609
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: good ten years to turn that around.

610
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: I got filmed on a balcony having sex with a

611
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: stripper Tuesday Times. Inside, I was rather flash that it

612
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: wasn't the greatest moment, and it was about dawn. I've

613
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: been up all night. I've been on a lot of

614
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: stuff too. It was New Year's Eve and I got

615
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: filmed on the balcony in a very compromising position, not

616
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: flattering at all, and that got put on the internet

617
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: in the early days of the internet, and I rang

618
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: up my best friend. My best friend rang up me

619
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: and said, oh, I've seen this video. I was young,

620
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: I had a girlfriend at home, and I obviously made

621
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: a huge error. And my best friend said she had

622
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: handled everything up until that point. She said, yeah, even

623
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: I couldn't watch it like it was that bad. It

624
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: was that bad. So you know, like I've just talked

625
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 2: about two moments that are completely bad. There was the

626
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: fight that I got into at the casino with that guy.

627
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 2: There was that stripper on that balcony. In the early

628
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: days and for years, when I did an interview on radio,

629
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: the computer would light up and they'd read what the

630
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: listeners said to me, and it was, come and get

631
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: this thug off air. Why have you got him on

632
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: our radio station? You know? Like, and now I'm a

633
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: popular cancer boy like it, just like I don't really

634
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: care what anyone thinks of me. I'm just doing my

635
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: best and I make a lot of mistakes and I

636
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: try and learn from them. And if people are going

637
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: to call me a thug because I kicked a guy

638
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: in the head in the casino once, well they weren't

639
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: there and they don't know what he did. So really,

640
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: and if people want to think that I'm a really

641
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: good brother of the year fucking cancer Vanquisher, then that's

642
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: simplistic too, because they're ignoring the mistakes and the shitty

643
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: things that I've done as well. And that's why I

644
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: think it's important to have role models, not idols.

645
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: Definitely, can I ask when when did you stop? I

646
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: don't like this term, but clean and cyber like, when

647
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: was the last time you.

648
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: Used or boozed?

649
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: So so my dragon alcohol counselor called me a poly user,

650
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: so as we know, that means I used everything, So

651
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: I wasn't addicted to one thing. I just used everything.

652
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: So I've been dealing with that my whole life. I'm

653
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: not going to I'm not going to peddle some redemptive narrative.

654
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: I don't think life is that simple, and I don't

655
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: think there are neat little bows to these things, and

656
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't believe in closure, and I

657
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think you went from one to

658
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: the other. And I know people that would say that

659
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: your storyline isn't redemptive at all, so who have had

660
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: firsthand experience with said problem. So you know how alcoholics say,

661
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: you know, I haven't had a drink for two hundred days,

662
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: but I'm an apology. It's like I'm I started with

663
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: harmonimization and a lot of therapy, and I'm very pleased

664
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: with my usage now. It's very, very occasional and very

665
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: social and not even a blip on the radar. I'm

666
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: not worried about it at all. It took me a

667
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: long time to do that, a lot of efforts. I

668
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: remember my girlfriend fifteen years ago. Her name was Sarah.

669
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: You know, every time I went past a BWS, it

670
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: stood for be with Sarah, be with Sarah, be with Sarah.

671
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: If I went in there and I grabbed a fucking

672
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: roll out of Jim beamcans, I couldn't be with Sarah.

673
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: Her parents were alcoholic. She didn't need another alcoholic in

674
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: the house. She had a child in that house. I

675
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: had to behave. So, you know, it's something that I

676
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: used to focus on very intently and something that I

677
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: fortunately I don't have to focus on. Now.

678
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, good for you man. Well, if you're in control,

679
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: it's not in control. That's a good thing.

680
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us give us some an insight into the

681
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: lovely Uh look at you niggering.

682
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: She's automatically going to be really pissed off because she's

683
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: lived in the shadow. It's quite happily for ten years.

684
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: In fact, she hasn't allowed me to talk about her

685
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: at all. So it's not that I'm hiding the fact

686
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: that I've had a girlfriend. It's just that she doesn't

687
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: like it at all. So she takes when we do fundraisers,

688
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: she's behind the camera and she takes photos of us

689
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: out of respect. I'm going to say very little about

690
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: her because that is what I believe she would prefer.

691
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: But what I will say is that is that I

692
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: don't think that I've met a bigger EmPATH. Oh wow, wow,

693
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I know who comes second, and

694
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: there's there's a big margin between them. I mean, some

695
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: people are compassionate and caring and some people are very

696
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: I don't know whether to say empathetic or empathic. I

697
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: don't know what's correct, But she cares for people. She

698
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: taught me so much about how to care properly, and

699
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: I call it in my head, I call it practical

700
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: caring because because you can, you can think someone's a

701
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 2: legend and they cannot know that. You have to learn

702
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: how to demonstrate your care as well, and she has

703
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: that down to a fine art. And her heart gets

704
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: broken at the smallest of things, and I think that's

705
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: that's part of the price that a true EmPATH pays.

706
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: Did she without a stop talking about her after this?

707
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: But just one curiosity after your accident, did she have

708
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: PTSD or.

709
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: A version of it? You know that must have been

710
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: bloody because she saw what you didn't see.

711
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, I've given her numbers of counselors to speak

712
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: to that are separate to me, because it's recommended that

713
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: she doesn't talk to me about it, because I'm not

714
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: the best person for her to talk about it, and

715
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: this whole hat before she calls that number. So she

716
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: she carries around a lot of her demons privately, and

717
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: she's not interested in sharing her trauma because she doesn't

718
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 2: want to make anything harder for other people, because she's

719
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: truly empathic. So I don't think she's doing herself the

720
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: world of good, because you know how Atlas carries the

721
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: whole world on his shoulder, like it's I think. I

722
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: think some empaths end up doing that, and they end

723
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: up they end up tired and sore and broken because

724
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: they forgot to care for themselves. But they refuse to

725
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: care for themselves because other people are so much more

726
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: important to them. So it's it's so all you can

727
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: do is is admire and love people like that, because

728
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: they're always going to carry kilograms differently to the way

729
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: that you carry them. I'm quite good at carrying Makilo's

730
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: i've got fuck or baggage. It's great, But I imagine

731
00:40:59,200 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: that she's the up.

732
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, God bless her. Hey, just before we let

733
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: you go, mate, so what are you doing now?

734
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: What are you up to? What's on the work schedule?

735
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: What's what's exciting you? What's lighting you up? What are

736
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: we going to see?

737
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: You do?

738
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: Be creating the future?

739
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to keep this real quick A promise.

740
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: No, I may take your time. We fucking love you.

741
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: I've already taken too much of your time. Okay, So

742
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 2: when my sister got sick ten years ago. We put

743
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: her on the traditional treatment. It's the way we treat cancer.

744
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: We put them on the drug most likely to work.

745
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: But it takes three months of administering that drug before

746
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: we can see how effective it is, before we can

747
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: see whether it's having any demonstrable effect on the size

748
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: of the tumor. If it's not working, we call it

749
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: a false line of treatment after three months, and we

750
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: move on to the drug next most likely to succeed.

751
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: In my sister's case, the first line of treatment failed,

752
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: the second line of treatment failed, the third line of

753
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: treatment failed, and on her fourth line of treatment we

754
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: found the right drug, but it was too late by then.

755
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: Now I rend Treasury, Do you think they could tell

756
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: me how much we spend on false lines of medicine?

757
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: No?

758
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: No, they couldn't tell me. So precision medicine and the

759
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: whole world's moving towards this, not just for cancer. The

760
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: proof of concept is well and truly past us. Precision medicine.

761
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: It's a genomic thing. We start treating the cancer instead

762
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: of the patient. I don't care whether your cancers in

763
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 2: your breast or your testicles, I really don't care where

764
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: it is it's no longer specific, so the nature of

765
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: research now is non specific. So all of those colored

766
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: ribbons don't mean much to scientists and researchers now. Now,

767
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: if we had taken a tissue sample of my sister's

768
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: cancer when she was diagnosed and tested it in a

769
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: petri dish with all the drugs that we have for it,

770
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: we could have put her on the right drug first

771
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: time every time, saving US squillions of dollars on money

772
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: on medicines that don't work, and saving lives like my sisters.

773
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: It's called precision medicine. The whole world's moving towards it,

774
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: not just for cancer. Our rollout for it in Australia

775
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: is painfully slow. The government suggests that by twenty thirty

776
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: they might have thirty thousand people to get this. I

777
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: was told by someone in the know recently we've got

778
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: a different kind of belief system that we would not

779
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: get all of our cancer patients genetically mapped in my lifetime. No,

780
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: I say bullshit, I say bullocks, and I say bulld us.

781
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: You watch us. So rather than wait another ten years

782
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: for precision medicine, because my sister should have received it

783
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: ten years ago and didn't and if you get it now,

784
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: you're still still not going to get off of it.

785
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: So if you're rich and you know the right people,

786
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: you'll probably get it. But I've decided that I'm not

787
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: going to wait another ten years for it, and that

788
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: I'm just going to roll it out myself. So I'm

789
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: no longer a compliant little cancer funder. I'm the first

790
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: ten towns have been decided. I've teamed up with a

791
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: really really smart guy called David, I'mic Garvin, etc. That

792
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: they know exactly how to roll this out. There's much

793
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: smarter than me, But I dug a huge ole. I've

794
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: dug them before too, but maybe none of this. I

795
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: need to take Love his Sister from one point five

796
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: million a year to a million a month yesterday. So

797
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 2: to play my part in this roleout, so I've abandoned

798
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: my touring model completely. I no longer visit, you know,

799
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: hundreds of schools and hundreds of towns, and I focus

800
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 2: specifically on getting businesses to hold hands with the thousands

801
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: and thousands of individuals that I've got that support this

802
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: right now and to help us at this very time

803
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: with this very rollout. And it's early days the campaign

804
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: officially launches him much, but I've already got a bunch

805
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: of signups, a lot of interest from businesses. Businesses are

806
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: very happy to step in and help at this point.

807
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: So it's a long answer to a short question. I'm

808
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: abandoning my model of the last ten years entirely because

809
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: I need to get to a million a month, not

810
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: one point five million a year. I'm relying on businesses

811
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: to help me get there. If there's anyone listening that

812
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: thinks their business can contribute, I suggest that they email

813
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: me personally, Samuel at Love your Sister dot org. Samuel

814
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: with an E at Love your Sister dot Org. Email

815
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: me your phone number. I'll call you. We'll sort it out.

816
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: So it's called Sam's one thousand, and it's it's not Maybe.

817
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: I'll try to make this work next year. This will

818
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: work next year. It has to work. It will happen,

819
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: and you'll see me go public, go sixty minutes on

820
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: it once. Once I know it's real. I need to

821
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: have a lot more of this pyramid belt before I

822
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: go public. Public within in terms of the sixty minute public.

823
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: So if there are anyone listening that thinks their business

824
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: can help, email me your phone number and I'll call

825
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 2: you back.

826
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: You're the best.

827
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: You make me feel like a fucking lazy, fraudulent, underachieving,

828
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: fucking want to be.

829
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: You know great, You forget You forgot that I just

830
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: do this shit because if I didn't it would be

831
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: worth Come.

832
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: On you all right, Hey, you're the best. We appreciate you.

833
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: Will say goodbye a fair mate, but thank you for

834
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: taking an hour out of your day. You're a superstar.

835
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: Congratulations on all the work you did. You've raised over

836
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars so far for research. Congrats on your

837
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: recovery and your mindset and everything like you. I know

838
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: you don't like people pissing in your pocket, but you're

839
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: an inspiration.

840
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: You're a good dude.

841
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: You're a fucking knock about bloke and you know people,

842
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: you're the bloke that everyone would want. Everybody wishes you

843
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: were their mate because you're just a good dude.

844
00:46:59,320 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 3: Yourself aware.

845
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got friends, so that's funny.

846
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: You know, you're aware of your faults and flaws. You

847
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: know what you do well, you know what you do bad.

848
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: You're practical, you're realistic.

849
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: But we'll say bye, are fair butt. Thank you mate,

850
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: Samuel thank you, Samuel L. Jackson, Samuel L. Jackson, thanks

851
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: for being on the show.

852
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll keep trying, right so yah