1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Good day, Tim, it's Harps, it's Melissa, it's Samuel, and 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: what a fucking day. I'm very excited. Well, I've got 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: to say something. Is like, firstly, let's say hi to Sam. Hi, Sam, Hi? 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: What were you saying? 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to say this, Hi, melessa, Hi are 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: you good? 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: Ah? So good? 8 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: Now you know what I'm going to say because I 9 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: told you so. I'm a dumb ass. Everyone you know that. 10 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: But this is what happens. So we do a show 11 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: every day and I'm doing a PhD and I'm doing corpus, 12 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: but I do a lot of shit, right, But and 13 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I don't get the guests. Melissa and Tiff and THEA 14 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: get the guests. And I just saw Samuel's name come through, 15 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: and I went, this is what I saw Samuel's name, 16 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: which is of course Samuel Johnson, but who I pictured 17 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: in my mind was Samuel L. Jackson. I'm like, how 18 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: the fuck did they get him? And then I went, oh, no, 19 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: that's the other dude. That's oh yeah, So mate, for 20 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: a moment, you were a major world, world beating Hollywood 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: block bust a fucking superstar coming on my show. 22 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: I remember in the old days, I had a weekly 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: job at Fox FFM all of their teasers and trailers 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: for all of their radio stations all around the country 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: once a week, and wow, I just went once a 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: week to have my regular gig there. And the lift 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: opened and I walked straight into this very tall person 28 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: and I looked up and it was Samuel L. Jackson 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: and he was being looked after by a guy called Bag. 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: He was the same guy that used to look after me, 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: Like I knew Bag really well, and so Bag saw 32 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: an opportunity there, so he went, oh, oh, Samuel Old Jackson, 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: Samuel L. Johnson, and thought he was being really funny. 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: And I went, ah, hi and put my hand out 35 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: and shook Samuel L. Jackson's hand and he lent in. 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: He went yeah, keep trying, and I was like, oh man. 37 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: He was like, was he taking the piss? He must 38 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: have been taking the piss, because he guess he had 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: his whole team raiding the match and all that kind 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: of stuff, and I thought, I think he was taking 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: the piece. And I looked back to see whether he 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: was taking the piss just before the lift doors closed, 43 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: after the merchant has gotten and he looked at me 44 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: and gave me a big wink. He was clearly taking 45 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: the piss by saying, yeah, keep trying. He was saying, yeah, 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: what a wink this is. I thought for a second 47 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: he was being an asshole, but he was being totally 48 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: tank cheek. 49 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: Who's the most famous person? Most famous person that you've 50 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: had a chat with? 51 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: The royal? One of the royals. I can't remember the 52 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: name of the royal. It was like it was some 53 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: unreal someone famous and and like I went to this 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: event at Government House and the royals were meant to 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: be having like they were meant to be having an 56 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: hour off all of their official duties with young people. 57 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: And I got invited to this thing, and so I 58 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: was there with guy Sebastian and we were going, well, 59 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: what are we doing here? You know, this is kind 60 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: of weird, and that the royal person was allowed to 61 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: spend five minutes with everybody in the room and five 62 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: minutes only, and they had minders and timekeepers and all 63 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: kinds of things. That was their informal get together with 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: young people. And so I went and hid because I 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: didn't want to talk to him, because I didn't really 66 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: know what to say. And so I went and hid, 67 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: and I started looking at all the paintings around the place, 68 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: and so I was like three rooms away and security 69 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: rushed up to me, and I thought I was in 70 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: the wrong area, and they said, no, no, no, the 71 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: royal wants to speak to you. He wants to speak 72 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: to you personally about what you've done. Can you please 73 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: come with me? And so I was made to have 74 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: this conversation with this royal. And the first thing he 75 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: said to me it was I think, I don't know, 76 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: it was I think Harry or like it was. It 77 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: was a famous, like male. 78 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: Royal, You're the worst fucking monarchist in the world. It's like, yeah, 79 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: one of the royals. 80 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: And the first thing he said to me was, Jeesu, 81 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: your balls must be sore. And I thought, wow, a 82 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: royal person just said balls. Because I just finished my 83 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: unicycle right around the country. I've spent three hundred and 84 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: sixty four days at top of one wheeler and I 85 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: had to go to government House and meet this fancy 86 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: pants man who wanted to speak to me because of 87 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: what I'd done. And so we talked for about ten 88 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: minutes about house. All my balls were. 89 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: Fuck. 90 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: So maybe he was the most famous person. Maybe even 91 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: though I don't know his name. 92 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: How were your balls after three hundred and sixty four 93 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: days of smashing them on one of the one of 94 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: those tiny little seats on top of what very tender. 95 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: The first hundred and one hundred or so days we 96 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 2: it was really painful because my undercarriage broke, and so 97 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: I was putting all kinds of cream on and doing 98 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: all those kinds of things. And it wasn't until I 99 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: got to Darwin, which was after like over one hundred days, 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: and I met this guy from the army and he said, no, 101 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: you no, throw out the creams now, you're not going 102 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: to fix it that way. Every time you have a break, 103 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: take your pants off, point your ass at the sun, 104 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: dry it out. You'll be fine. So for the next 105 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: kind of two weeks, whenever I had a scheduled break, 106 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: i'd go off into a field and you know, maintain 107 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: a modicum of privacy and take my pants off and 108 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: point my bum at the sun. And after I did 109 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: that for two weeks, my undercarriage dried and it was okay. 110 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: Having said that, the pain started in that area, in 111 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: the groinal area. The pain started after about twenty seconds, 112 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 2: and I was spending about eight to ten hours a 113 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: day on the thing. So my common mancha was, well, 114 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: at least it's not cancer. I'm not dying a cancer. 115 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: My sister was dying a cancer at the time, and 116 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: so so I had that in my head just all 117 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: the time, every day, like so there was no such 118 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: thing as sortball. So it was it was kind of 119 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: half denialism, and it was it was half really good 120 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 2: reality checking that it wasn't cancer. 121 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: Now, the two words to come out of that, kids, 122 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: if you're taking notes, are groinal not a word, and 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: denihalism also not a word. But thanks to Samuel, we're 124 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: going to push them out of the literary nest and 125 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: they're going to become words out there in the world. 126 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: Hey Craig, Hey Craig, Hey Craig, Before you move on, 127 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: I've got one for you. I'm ready to shabarkle a shabarkle. 128 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: It's a chamozel and a debarcle. It's really bad. It's 129 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: a chamozel and a debarkle a shabarkle. I'm really proud 130 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: of that. 131 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: What if you integrated what if you into those two 132 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: with clusterfuck. I'll let you get back to me on that. 133 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: As sebak or fuck, oh that's funny, mate. 134 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: Who does anyone I know people call you Sam? But 135 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: does anyone in your family friends circle call you Samuel 136 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: these days or what's the. 137 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: Years? No, we live in Australia. We shorten everything and 138 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: we add o's and stuff. I'd love to be called Samuel, 139 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: and Samuel is my preference, and indeed it is my 140 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: stage name, but I get called Sam. I used to 141 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: keep the difference because if someone yelled out, hey, Samuel, 142 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: I knew that they'd seen me on the tally. But 143 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: if someone yelled out hey Sam, I knew that they 144 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: were a friend. Yeah. So that was why I initially 145 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: liked having a distinction. I now commonly so because we've 146 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: got about nine hundred thousand people in our village that 147 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 2: hate cancer. And now I commonly sign. I commonly sign 148 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: because it's very personalized. I write a lot to a 149 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: lot of people, and I commonly sign it Sam now. 150 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: So so I suppose I'm Sam now. 151 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. Well, I have not I'm definitely 152 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: not you, but I have. There's three levels. So there's 153 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: Craig Harper, right, and then there's people around about, you know, 154 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: people that know me friends, followers, listeners call me Harps, 155 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: and then my family and close friends call me Craigo. 156 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: You're exactly right when you say we shorten it. It's 157 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: like you can't shorten Craig, so you've got to whack 158 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: an o on the end of it, and you just 159 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: become greg O. And like, there are people in my 160 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: life who have never ever called me anything but Craigo, 161 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: and if those people called me Craig or Harps, it 162 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: would be completely fucking weird. 163 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: Does Melissa get called mel to call you mal? Or 164 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: is it a Melissa thing? 165 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: I'm not that fussy. Welcome to call me whatever, But yeah, 166 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: a lot of people just assume that it's a mal 167 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: So I get mail a lot. 168 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Just what do you prefer? 169 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 3: I really don't have that much. 170 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: Of a preference. 171 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: Probably Melissa, just because I'm although sometimes it depends who 172 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: it's coming from, because sometimes I feel like I'm in 173 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: trouble if I get Melissa. So, yeah, don't really have 174 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: too much of a preference. 175 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to go. 176 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: I call my partner of ten years, my greatest inconvenience, 177 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: that's my that's my way of telling her that I 178 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 2: love her, and that would not be funny unless it 179 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: was not due at all, Like if she was at 180 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: all inconvenient, it wouldn't be funny at all, and it'd 181 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: just be an awshole thing to say. But I think 182 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: it's important to have, it's important to think about. Obviously, 183 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 2: that's not all like call her like we heep adoration 184 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: on each other. I don't want you to get the 185 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: wrong idea. But it's it's funny, isn't it How we 186 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: can play with language so much and calling call people 187 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: so many different things. Like for example, when people say 188 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: how are you, there are standard replies like can't complain 189 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: or or people can say how I am, and I 190 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: can say, oh, well, there's no justifiable course for complaint, 191 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: and I'll get a laugh out of that. I get 192 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: people more involved by saying the same thing but in 193 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: a different way. And it's you know, like I already 194 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: want to call you Melbow because because I want to 195 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: be the guy that calls you Melbow. Like it's funny 196 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: this whole kind of naming and making ship up thing, 197 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: because I proved, didn't I Craig with the Shabako thing, 198 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: that you can do what you want with what you 199 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: give one. 200 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: I think you know that, especially Australians, we're a bit 201 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: loose with words. We're not we're not renowned for our grammar. 202 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: We're not renowned for much. 203 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: No we're not. We're not, you know. But but having 204 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: having that silliness too, and that cheekiness about it, you know, 205 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: like you've been through some shit, You've been through lots 206 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: of shit, and like you know, and we've never met 207 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: until today. But what I love about you. I feel 208 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: like I'm pissing in your pocket now, which is very UnAustralian, 209 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: But is that, you know, sometimes just laughing at stuff 210 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: or laughing at yourself. It doesn't mean you're not feeling, 211 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: you're not hurting, doesn't mean you're putting your head in 212 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: the sand, doesn't mean you're not acknowledging the shit that's 213 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: going on. But focusing on and dwelling in the negativity 214 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: rather than saying, all right, well, I know what's going on, 215 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: this is not good, this is bad. What can I do? 216 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: What can I do about it? Or what can I 217 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: do to help that person? Or what can I do 218 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: to help myself? Like I think Ozzie's are pretty good 219 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: at that kind of dragging others up and dragging ourselves 220 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: up when we want to or when. 221 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: We we're also very good at told Poppy, but is 222 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: important for all of us, especially during adversity. When my 223 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: sister was dying, I kept going, come on, hurry up, 224 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: that's been seven years, he said, six months, six to 225 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 2: twelve months, seven years ago. You've got like my time's important, 226 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: like like completely take the this out of her dying. 227 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: And then when the Governor General comes to her to 228 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: her palliative care center posthumously, and my sister wasn't going 229 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: to make it to Australia days. So the Governor General 230 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: drove himself to my sister's palliative care place and gave 231 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: her a medal of the Order of Australia and get 232 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 2: this for her services to research, which is fine, but 233 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: wait this at the end and humanity. So as soon 234 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: as the Honorable Sir Peter Cosgrove left us, we cracked 235 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: up and we thought, oh geez, hasn't she got up 236 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 2: in the world. Oh humanity, not just cancer research, but humanity. 237 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: And then my sister kind of leaned back her head 238 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: as much as she could and she said for services 239 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: to research and humanity this royal wave and we laughed 240 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: and we made jokes about humanitan and how grand it 241 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: all was, and then she closed her eyes and she died, 242 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: and we had an absolute rainbow there towards the end. 243 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 2: I suppose. I think humor plays a valuable role no 244 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: matter where we at in life. And it's great if 245 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: you feel naturally light and funny and you're having a 246 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: good day, that's great. But learning how to laugh when 247 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: someone's dying, I've heard, you know. I remember when my 248 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: girlfriend committed suicide. I remember, I remember her mum got 249 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: really paranoid about her other two kids. I was going 250 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: to take them swimming in a lake, and commonly one 251 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: CHILDI year dies at that lake. There are mindshafts at 252 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: the bottom of it. It gets very cold. Professional swimmers 253 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: have been taken by this lake. This is a real danger. 254 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: And so mum was really really anxious that she'd loosen 255 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: another child because she just lost her daughter. I was 256 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 2: the daughter's boyfriend, and she kept carrying on about how 257 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: I can't even blink, like I can't even turn my back. 258 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 2: Got to watch them the whole and after about ten minutes, 259 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 2: I said, don't worry, Kim, I won't kill anymore of 260 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: your kids, and she just and she went, you didn't 261 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: just say that, I said, I went, I fucking did. 262 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: I just said that, Oh my god, And we had 263 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: a big laugh about it. Now, obviously it's something you 264 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: can't say, and she chose to laugh about it, thankfully. 265 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: And humor can be misused, and someone like me then 266 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: could try to be funny at a time where humor 267 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: is not acceptable. But I have heard lots of stories 268 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: from lots of people. Because I've personally digested over one 269 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: hundred thousand cancer stories, I've heard a lot of stories 270 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: about people that rely very heavily on their sense of 271 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: humor during dark times. 272 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: And that's the thing, mate, There's see. The thing is 273 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: that what one person will find funny, someone else will 274 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: find curious, someone else will find offensive someone else you know. 275 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: But there's that, there's this thing that you have. Like 276 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: I've watched a fair bit of you and heard a 277 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: fair bit of you, and I watched today, which is silly, 278 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: but I watched today that interview that you did with 279 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: Pete Hellier last year on the project, and I watched 280 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: it about three or four times in a row, and 281 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: I just thought, like, you are, You've got this high 282 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: level of social and emotional intelligence and situational awareness. You've 283 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: got this fucking brilliant timing, Like you said things to 284 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: Pete Hellier that if it was another interviewer talking about 285 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: the same stuff for the same show, but another person, 286 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have said those things. Now, clearly he's a 287 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: dick ed like you, So it's okay you can say 288 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: dick ed things right, And I mean that in a 289 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: loving way, but. 290 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: I chose very carefully. That was my first media chat 291 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: after a serious brain injury, and so the last thing 292 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: that all the doctors and experts wanted was for me 293 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: to seem like I hadn't recovered when I went public. 294 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: So it was very careful, very carefully managed appearance, and 295 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: I chose Pete Hallier to talk to, even though Carrie 296 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: big Moore was much closer to our charity and much 297 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: closer to me and my sister. I needed the right 298 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: person to talk to at that time because Carrie would 299 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: have been earnest and worried about her friend that had 300 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: an injury, whereas Pete can be curious about it and 301 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: pull out a gag. And as my sister always said, 302 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: we vanquished cancer with joy, so we're kind of we're 303 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: serially positive, but that doesn't mean that we don't take 304 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: the piece pretty hard. And it is very important in 305 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: moments like that because there was a lot of paranoia 306 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: about going public to early, which Molly Meldrim did with 307 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: his brain injury. He did interviews well before he was 308 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: able to do them, and it was very important that 309 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: people still wanted to hire me for work after I 310 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: talked about it. So I had a conversation with Pete 311 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: for a number of specific reasons, but I ended up 312 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: doing his family Feud podcasts and lost my shit completely. 313 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: Had a giggle fit that lasted maybe five minutes. Like 314 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, life's too short not 315 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: to take the pisce and we've got to like it's 316 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: not deliberate, but every day, like is there to be 317 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: filled with laughter if we know how to find it, 318 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: and if we don't get bogged down by detail, and 319 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: if we don't take everything really personally, and if we 320 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: control our emotions, and if we do a number of 321 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: things and to manage ourselves properly, we can we can 322 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: end up at the point where we can take the 323 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: pierce and have a laugh. Because I'm not stressed about 324 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: my marriage at home because it's not stressful, and we 325 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 2: can take the piece and have a laugh. Because that 326 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: mistake that I made earlier today I have forgiven myself, 327 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: for I no longer carry around a basket full of 328 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: whips and self flagellate whenever I make a mistake. Now 329 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: I make a mistake, I learned from it and I 330 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 2: move on. So that's why I think a bit more 331 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 2: keen on laughter. As you get older is as you 332 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: get better at stuff, at that life stuff. It leaves 333 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 2: you more room to take the piss. It also helps 334 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: when you get older. Have you noticed this? People don't 335 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: give a buck, mate. They don't care. They don't care 336 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: at all. So you go from being really earnest in 337 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: your twenties and you care about everything, and you think 338 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: you matter, and there's some kind of status system and 339 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 2: you belong somewhere and you're looking for fucking some kind 340 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 2: of fairy tale romance and you're traveling the way you've 341 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: got no and then by the time you're my age 342 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: on forty five, you kind of don't care anymore. I'm 343 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: not saying I don't care anymore, but you know what 344 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: I mean. 345 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: But I think you know going through the shit that 346 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: you've been through it. Before I say that, I want 347 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: to say one other thing that I was thinking about 348 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: from a neuroscience point of view, Like you're saying on 349 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: laughter is therapeutic, and it's but it literally is. Though 350 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: that's not even a figure of speech or an idea 351 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: like laughter, fun joy, Happiness changes the biochemistry of your brain, 352 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: changes your immune system, changes your emotions, like changes the 353 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: way that you think and socialize and process the world. 354 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: And you know, so like some silliness and some laughter 355 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: and some bullshit and some irreverence you know obviously right 356 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: place person time, all of that, but it is it's 357 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: not metaphorically good for you. It's fucking literally good for 358 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: your body and your recovery. But literally. 359 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: But then, Craig, you've got humor that you think is 360 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: funny that actually just demotes and denigrates people, And you 361 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: think you're just having a laugh and you think you're 362 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 2: just being light and but you're in fact burying someone 363 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: else in the process. So you've got to be careful 364 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: because humor, just like everything else, can be a weapon. 365 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: So so like there are things that I find funny 366 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: that were funny in my generation when I was growing 367 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: up that are completely not allowed to be funny. 368 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, true, completely true. 369 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: So your sense of humor has to grow with the 370 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: times so that I don't end up with my nephews 371 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: who are in their twenties, so that they can still 372 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: relate to me and I can still relate to them, 373 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: because I don't want to end up that old person 374 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 2: that is stuck fifty years ago that still thinks it's 375 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: okay to pinchy secretary on the bum or whatever. 376 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Good, no, good point, valid point, you're honor. Yeah, 377 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: but it is it's context dependent too, and it is 378 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, you're right, the stuff that we used to 379 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: laugh at, some stuff can't. Now some stuff is funny 380 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: when you're in a certain situation, but not in others. 381 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: But but being able to create joy, you know, consciously, 382 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: but realize that there's actually a therapeutic benefit to that, 383 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: not just a feel good momentary thing. All right, So, 384 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: speaking of your brain and your accident, how's your brain? 385 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: My brain's fully recovered. So seventeen months ago, I was 386 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 2: a pedestrian. There was a car didn't go very well 387 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: at all, hit my head. There's eleven days I'll never 388 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: remember because I got pta post traumatic amnesia. It didn't 389 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: get the banks, never got banked. I don't know what happened, 390 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: but I do remember coming out of PTA, which is 391 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: a very loopy time. I think they should set a 392 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: TV show or something in a PTA ward. The nurses say, 393 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: what happens in PTA stays in PTA. You commonly get 394 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: your phone confiscated because you call the police because you 395 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: think you've been kidnapped and you require immediate rescue. The 396 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: lights and everything's dimmed because you're very sensitive to everything. 397 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: Wasn't alone. Apparently this is really common. I thought I 398 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: was in a donut factory and they were all donut tears, 399 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 2: and they were trying to turn me into a donut. 400 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: Because the MRI machine is circular, and it's quite common 401 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 2: for brain injury patients to go into the mr I 402 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 2: room and think they're being turned into a donut. It's 403 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 2: really common. The nurses were like, ah, it's another donut guy. 404 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: My MRI I said limited study due to patient aggression. 405 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: It took three days to get an MRI from me 406 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 2: because I was convinced they were turning me into a donut, 407 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: so it kind of I had a heavy Russian accent 408 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 2: for a day and a half. I was a small 409 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: Japanese child aged eleven for about two and a half days. 410 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: I'm trying to condense it all into one so basically, 411 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: really quickly. So basically, you go through this really loopy 412 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: period and then you make a long recovery with a 413 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: lot of rehab and a lot of doctors. I spent 414 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: seven weeks seven and a half weeks inside hospital. Then 415 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: I spent three months at my sister's house because she 416 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: was central enough to the hospital, and I finally got 417 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: home after like four or five months. I finally got 418 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: home and I had my last medical appointment about a 419 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: month ago. 420 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: Wow do you have Firstly, how are the Russian days? 421 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: Did you enjoy those? 422 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: I reversed, engineered everything. It made sense. There was a 423 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: mate I had called Juzzy, and we used to joke 424 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: about a purple penis in a Russian accent for like 425 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: six months when we were like nineteen. I could totally 426 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: remember when I had this heavy Russian accent for six months. 427 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: When I was eleven, I went to Japan as part 428 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 2: of the Asian Pacific Children's Peace Convention. In my brain injury, 429 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: I was an eleven year old Japanese girl and now, 430 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: admittedly I was an eleven year old Australian boy who 431 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: visited Japan when I was eleven, but I could reverse 432 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: engineer everything so that all of the loopiness kind of 433 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: made sense. It was just obviously my brain was still 434 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: working everything out. 435 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: And apparently your family greatly enjoyed that period of time 436 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: and still reflect on it. The amnesia days. 437 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 2: I got away with it because my partner, my missus, 438 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: she was there the whole time, so she's traumatized by 439 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: but she can't talk to me about it because I 440 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: can't remember it. And so there's what the medical world 441 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: says is the golden hour, the hour after your injury. 442 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: To get good treatment at a hospital within an hour 443 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: of having a serious injury is really important. They call 444 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 2: it the golden hour. I'll never know what my missus did, 445 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 2: but she got praised for making that golden hour truly golden. 446 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: She answered every question very clearly. She didn't cost the 447 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: medics any time, she didn't let anxieties or fears or 448 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 2: emotions affect anything. She was very calm in at crisis, 449 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 2: whereas I, you know that fight or freeze or thing 450 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: like I'll run. It's really scary, like and I won't 451 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: understand what question they asked me, like, I will just 452 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 2: fall to pieces in a similar crisis. So there's an 453 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: eleven day period that I'm sad that my partner had 454 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: to go through, and that I'm glad that I didn't 455 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: have to go through. 456 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: What did they do? You remember what? I don't know 457 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: if they gave odds, but I'm in bottom line it 458 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: Did they think you would live or not live? 459 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: No? No, they thought I was I was going to die. 460 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: So my family got put into the dying room. So 461 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: there's they give more privacy to families that are probably 462 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: going to get the bad news. So because we've been 463 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 2: in the dying room before with my sister's cancer, my 464 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 2: sister and my partner knew what the dying room was. 465 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: So they got taken to a private room with a 466 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: fridge and a television and a sofa to sit on. 467 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: And that was when they told that that they were 468 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: told that I was tanking in emergency, that I arrived 469 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: quite well and was going downhill fast. And it was 470 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: a classic near death experience because many of the medics 471 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: didn't think I'd make it through the night. I was 472 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: touch and go. So it was a true near death. 473 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: Experience, and your brain would correct me if I'm wrong. 474 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 1: But your brain was somewhat protected because you shielded your 475 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: brain with your face, So your face took Yeah, so 476 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: your face took the brunt, and you broke your skull. 477 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: You broke your face, and you've got fractures in your. 478 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: Neck right right. And they found like the ground, glass 479 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: in my lungs, which is how I knew my face 480 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: must have protected my head somewhat because obviously a face 481 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: planted a windscreen if they found glass inside my lungs. So, 482 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: and my right side was pretty cactus so i'd clearly, 483 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, I'd clearly borne the brunt. 484 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 2: So now, so that's the accident side, and this side's 485 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: pretty okay. 486 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: So philosophical question, mate, how, if any like, how has 487 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: it I'm sure it has, But how has it changed 488 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: the way that you think or the way that you 489 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: express or love or connect with others or your like 490 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: your worldview? How has it changed you? 491 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: It's changed me in a number of ways. I'm going 492 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: to keep it really sure. It's made me more grateful 493 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: for today. And I was grateful for today before the accident, 494 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: and I didn't think that that could be bettered. It was. 495 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: It made me calm. I was less anxious, less worried 496 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 2: about being late, less concerned over trivialities or small things, 497 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: stopped fighting with my partner, entirely, changed enough to the 498 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 2: point where people who are close to me have said 499 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: to me, what the fuck happened to you? Like like 500 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 2: a lot of so I was really highly strungt now 501 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: I'm just energetic. Like it's pressure and stress and anxiety 502 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: and depression and drug use. And you know, this diagnosis 503 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 2: of bipolar because my mum committed suicide, so that thought 504 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: I might have that it all kind of built up, 505 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: and this showbiz thing and then having heaps of money, 506 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: it all kind of contributed towards making me pretty fucked up. 507 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 2: And then I slowly started to address everything. I went 508 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: and saw a dragon alcohol counselor, I went and saw 509 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: a psych. I went and did a couple of different 510 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: charity things. Before love Sis, I was a volunteer on 511 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: the Open Family Youth bus every second Friday. So I 512 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: started doing things that I knew would be good for 513 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: me because it was a constant fight with the devil 514 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: of base hedonism. And then gradually gradually over the course 515 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: of two two and a half decades. I managed to 516 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: get to this point, but the accident accelerated my progress. 517 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: So I had already done the work. I didn't have 518 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: an accident, and then I was magically different. But there 519 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: are a lot of things that are at different levels 520 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: since the accident that markedly like I've been stressed out 521 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: twice since the accident seventeen months ago, once about being 522 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 2: late for an appointment I didn't realize I had, and 523 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: once about being in the wrong lane and worrying about 524 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: oncoming traffic. And I checked that anger or that frustration 525 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: or that exasperation. That was a real spike in everything. 526 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: I dealt with that really well. So normally, historically that 527 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: would have been enough to send me on a spiral downward. 528 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: Now it's a rare occurrence and I deal with it 529 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: quickly and I'll move on. 530 00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: Is it when you're like you said, you like all 531 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: your TV stuff, movies, stage stuff, your broad massive profile around, 532 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 1: doing all the great charity fundraising stuff, philanthropic stuff, like 533 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: you know most Australians know you like you live in 534 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: a country of twenty five million people, and probably twenty 535 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: million people know who you are. They might not know 536 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: you well, but they know your name. They know you right. 537 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: And like you said, high profile, lots of dough, lots 538 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: of good shit going on, lots of people love you, 539 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: lots of people want to talk to you, hang around you, 540 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: stroke your ego, tell you fucking awesome and all of that. 541 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: Is it hard in the middle of all of that 542 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: to not be a dickhead? 543 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 2: No, because people who get swept up in that kind 544 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: of stuff tend not to survive in that industry. So 545 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: in twenty five years in showbiz, I only really met 546 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: two cockheads, and apart from that they are a really, 547 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: really good people. So the use of drugs and alcohol 548 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: in showbiz is much much lower than the use of 549 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: drugs and alcohol are in trades, for example. So if 550 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: you want to talk about dysfunction and drugs and alcohol 551 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: and that kind of scene, you'd probably be more interested 552 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: in having a conversation with someone that's on a work site. 553 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: It's a very professional environment and kids on home and 554 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: away might do a bit of blowing the toilets at 555 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: the logis, but it's not a good look. It's it's 556 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: really not a good look. I'm not saying that it 557 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: doesn't happen. But I don't think it's particularly rampant compared 558 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: to some other industries, And I think it suffers a 559 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: little reputationally because the people that do have a slide 560 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 2: or a slip like For example, I'll use myself as 561 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: an example. I was a thug for many years because 562 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: at a casino a guy had done something to my girlfriend. 563 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: I told him he couldn't do it. He put me 564 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: down three times. I ended up going right, I've been 565 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: put down three times. I've got to do something. I 566 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: got the guy down. I stumped him in the head. 567 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: You do not stomp people in the head. You do 568 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: not hit a person when they are down. You do 569 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: I was a thug for ten years because of that. 570 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: You know, you are nothing but a measure of how 571 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: you respond to the mistakes that you make. And I'm 572 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: in a constant battle, as I said before, with the 573 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: base hedonism, to try not to become that person. So 574 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: a lot of what I've done in terms of my 575 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: community work is so that I'm not an asshole. Because 576 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 2: if I didn't concentrate and work really hard on the 577 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: community stuff, I don't trust that i'd make the right decisions. 578 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: And I don't trust that I'd be the kind of 579 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: citizen that you'd be happy to have on your podcast. 580 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, mate. I mean for me, that's 581 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: kind of having that's part of the having a purpose 582 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: bigger than yourself and a focus bigger than yourself, you know, 583 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: which is what you've done for very long. We did 584 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: have We have had a We have had a man 585 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: on a couple of times whose first name is Axel 586 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: and second seconds and the second name is Whitehead, who 587 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: did make a public mistake and it's well known, and 588 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: we spoke about him getting his wizzer out at the 589 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: ARIA Awards or something. Well that didn't that didn't give 590 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: his career any kind of positive boost. But you know, 591 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: he said, I grew up in the country and I 592 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: was pissed, and I'm like, Yep, probably shouldn't have done it. 593 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: Though he's like, Yep, definitely should have. But he's going 594 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: all right now. But I think it took him a 595 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: good ten years to turn that around. 596 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: I got filmed on a balcony having sex with a 597 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 2: stripper Tuesday Times. Inside, I was rather flash that it 598 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: wasn't the greatest moment, and it was about Dawn I've 599 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: been up all night. I've been on a lot of 600 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 2: stuff too. It was New Year's Eve and I got 601 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: filmed on the balcony in a very compromising position, not 602 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: flattering at all, and that got put on the internet 603 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 2: in the early days of the internet, and I rang 604 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 2: up my best friend. My best friend rang up me 605 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: and said, oh, I've seen this video. I was young, 606 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 2: I had a girlfriend at home, and I obviously made 607 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 2: a huge error. And my best friend said she had 608 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 2: handled everything up until that point. She said, yeah, even 609 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 2: I couldn't watch it like it was that bad. It 610 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: was that bad. So you know, like I've just talked 611 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 2: about two moments that are completely bad. There was the 612 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 2: fight that I got into at the casino with that guy. 613 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 2: There was that stripper on that balcony. In the early 614 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 2: days and for years, when I did an interview on radio, 615 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: the computer would light up and they'd read what the 616 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 2: listeners said to me, and it was, come and get 617 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: this thug off air. Why have you got him on 618 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: our radio station? You know? Like, and now I'm a 619 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 2: popular cancer boy like it, just like, I don't really 620 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 2: care what anyone thinks of me. I'm just doing my best. 621 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 2: And I make a lot of mistakes, and I try 622 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: and learn from them. And if people are going to 623 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 2: call me a thug because I kicked a guy in 624 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 2: the head in the casino once, well they weren't there 625 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: and they don't know what he did. So really, and 626 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 2: if people want to think that I'm a really good 627 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 2: brother of the year fucking cancer Vanquisher, then that's simplistic too, 628 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 2: because they're ignoring the mistakes and the shitty things that 629 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: I've done as well. And that's why I think it's 630 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 2: important to have role models, not idols. 631 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: Definitely, can I ask when when did you stop? I 632 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: don't like this term, but clean and cyber like, when 633 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: was the last time you used or boozed? 634 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 2: So so my dragon alcohol counselor called me a poly user, 635 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 2: so as we know, that means I used everything, So 636 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 2: I wasn't addicted to one thing. I just used everything. 637 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 2: So I've been dealing with that my whole life. I'm 638 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 2: not going to I'm not going to peddle some redemptive narrative. 639 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: I don't think life is that simple, and I don't 640 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: think there are neat little bows to these things, and 641 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 2: I don't think I don't believe in closure, and I 642 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think you went from one to 643 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 2: the other. And I know people that would say that 644 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 2: your storyline isn't redemptive at all, so who have had 645 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 2: firsthand experience with said problem. So you know how alcoholics say, 646 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 2: you know, I haven't had a drink for two hundred days, 647 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 2: but I'm an apology. It's like I'm I started with 648 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: harmonimization and a lot of therapy, and I'm very pleased 649 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 2: with my usage now. It's very very occasional, and very 650 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 2: social and not even a blip on the radar. I'm 651 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 2: not worried about it at all. It took me a 652 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 2: long time to do that, a lot of efforts. I 653 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 2: remember my girlfriend fifteen years ago. Her name was Sarah. 654 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 2: You know, every time I went past a BWS, it 655 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 2: stood for be with Sarah. Be with Sarah, be with Sarah. 656 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 2: If I went in there and I grabbed a fucking 657 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 2: roll out of Jim beamcans, I couldn't be with Sarah. 658 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 2: Her parents were alcoholic. She didn't need another alcoholic in 659 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 2: the house. She had a child in that house. I 660 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: had to behave. So, you know, it's something that I 661 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: used to focus on very intently and something that I 662 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 2: fortunately I don't have to focus on now. 663 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you man. Well, if you're in control, 664 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: it's not in control. That's a good thing. Yeah, tell 665 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: us give us some an insight into the lovely Uh 666 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: look at you niggering. 667 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 2: She's automatically going to be really pissed off because she's 668 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 2: lived in the shadow. It's quite happily for ten years. 669 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 2: In fact, she hasn't allowed me to talk about her 670 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 2: at all. So it's not that I'm hiding the fact 671 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,240 Speaker 2: that I've had a girlfriend. It's just that she doesn't 672 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 2: like it at all. So she takes when we do fundraisers, 673 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 2: she's behind the camera and she takes photos of us 674 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: out of respect. I'm going to say very little about 675 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 2: her because that is what I believe she would prefer. 676 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: But what I will say is that is that I 677 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 2: don't think that I've met a bigger EmPATH. Oh wow, wow, 678 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I know who comes second, and 679 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 2: there's there's a big margin between them. I mean, some 680 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 2: people are compassionate and caring and some people are very 681 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 2: I don't know whether to say empathetic or empathic. I 682 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: don't know what's correct, but she cares for people. She 683 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 2: taught me so much about how to care properly, and 684 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 2: I call it in my head, I call it practical 685 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 2: caring because because you can, you can think someone's a 686 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 2: legend and they cannot know that. You have to learn 687 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 2: how to demonstrate your care as well, and she has 688 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 2: that down to a fine art. And her heart gets 689 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 2: broken at the smallest of things, and I think that's 690 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: that's part of the price that a true EmPATH pays. 691 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: Did she without a stop talking about her after this? 692 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: But just one curiosity after your accident, did she have 693 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: PTSD or a version of it? You know that must 694 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: have been bloody because she saw what you didn't see. 695 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, I've given her numbers of counselors to speak 696 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 2: to that are separate to me, because it's recommended that 697 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 2: she doesn't talk to me about it because I'm not 698 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 2: the best person for her to talk about it, and 699 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 2: this whole hat before she calls that number. So she 700 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 2: she carries around a lot of her demons privately, and 701 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 2: she's not interested in sharing her trauma because she doesn't 702 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 2: want to make anything harder for other people, because she's 703 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 2: truly empathic. So I don't think she's doing herself the 704 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 2: world of good because you know how Atlas carries the 705 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 2: whole world on his shoulder, like it's I think I 706 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 2: think some empaths end up doing that, and they end 707 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 2: up they end up tired and sore and broken because 708 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 2: they forgot to care for themselves. But they refuse to 709 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 2: care for themselves because other people are so much more 710 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 2: important to them. So it's it's so all you can 711 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 2: do is is admire and love people like that, because 712 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 2: they're always going to carry kilograms differently to the way 713 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 2: that you carry them. I'm quite good at carrying Makilo's 714 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 2: i've got fuck or baggage. It's great. But I imagine 715 00:40:59,200 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 2: that she's the up. 716 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, well God bless her. Hey, just before we let 717 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: you go, mate, so what are you doing now? What 718 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,919 Speaker 1: are you up to? What's on the work schedule? What's 719 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: what's exciting you? What's lighting you up? What are we 720 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: going to see? 721 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 2: You do? 722 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: Be creating the future? 723 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to keep this real quick A promise. 724 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: No, I may take your time. We fucking love you. 725 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 2: I've already taken too much of your time. Okay. So 726 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 2: when my sister got sick ten years ago. We put 727 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 2: her on the traditional treatment. It's the way we treat cancer. 728 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 2: We put them on the drug most likely to work. 729 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 2: But it takes three months of administering that drug before 730 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 2: we can see how effective it is, before we can 731 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 2: see whether it's having any demonstrable effect on the size 732 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 2: of the tumor. If it's not working, we call it 733 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 2: a false line of treatment after three months, and we 734 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 2: move on to the drug next most likely to succeed. 735 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 2: In my sister's case, the first line of treatment failed, 736 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 2: the second line of treatment failed, the third line of 737 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 2: treatment failed, and on her fourth line of treatment we 738 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 2: found the right drug, but it was too late by then. 739 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 2: Now I rend Treasury. Do you think they could tell 740 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 2: me how much we spend on false lines of medicine? No, no, 741 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 2: they couldn't tell me. So precision medicine and the whole 742 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,760 Speaker 2: world's moving towards this, not just for cancer. The proof 743 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 2: of concept is well and truly past us. Precision medicine. 744 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 2: It's a genomic thing. We start treating the cancer instead 745 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 2: of the patient. I don't care whether your cancers in 746 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,439 Speaker 2: your breast or your testicles. I really don't care where 747 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 2: it is. It's no longer specific, So the nature of 748 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 2: research now is non specific, so all of those colored 749 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 2: ribbons don't mean much to scientists and researchers now. Now, 750 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 2: if we had taken a tissue sample of my sister's 751 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 2: cancer when she was diagnosed and tested it in a 752 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 2: petri dish with all the drugs that we have for it, 753 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,720 Speaker 2: we could have put her on the right drug first time, 754 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 2: every time, saving US squillions of dollars on money on 755 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 2: medicines that don't work, and saving lives like my sisters. 756 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 2: It's called precision medicine. The whole world's moving towards it, 757 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 2: not just for cancer. Our rollout for it in Australia 758 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 2: is painfully slow. The government suggests that by twenty thirty 759 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 2: they might have thirty thousand people to get this. I 760 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 2: was told by someone in the know recently we've got 761 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 2: a different kind of belief system that we would not 762 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 2: get all of our cancer patients genetically mapped in my lifetime. No, 763 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 2: I say bullshit, I say bullocks, and I say bulld us. 764 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 2: You watch us. So rather than wait another ten years 765 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 2: for precision medicine, because my sister should have received it 766 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 2: ten years ago and didn't. And if you get it now, 767 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 2: you're still still not going to get off of it. 768 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 2: So if you're rich and you know the right people, 769 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 2: you'll probably get it. But I've decided that I'm not 770 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 2: going to wait another ten years for it, and that 771 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 2: I'm just going to roll it out myself. So I'm 772 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 2: no longer a compliant little cancer funder. I'm the first 773 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 2: ten towns have been decided. I've teamed up with a 774 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 2: really really smart guy called David, I'mic Garvin, etc. That 775 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 2: they know exactly how to roll this out. There's much 776 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 2: smarter than me, But I dug a huge ole. I've 777 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 2: dug them before too, but maybe none of this. I 778 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 2: need to take Love His Sister from one point five 779 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 2: million a year to a million a month yesterday. So 780 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 2: to play my part in this roleout, so I've abandoned 781 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 2: my touring model completely. I no longer visit, you know, 782 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 2: hundreds of schools and hundreds of towns, and I focus 783 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:44,879 Speaker 2: specifically on getting businesses to hold hands with the thousands 784 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 2: and thousands of individuals that I've got that support this 785 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 2: right now and to help us at this very time 786 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 2: with this very rollout. And it's early days. The campaign 787 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 2: officially launches him much. But I've already got a bunch 788 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 2: of signups, a lot of interest from businesses. Businesses are 789 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 2: very happy to step in and help at this point. 790 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 2: So it's a long answer to a short question. I'm 791 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 2: abandoning my model of the last ten years entirely because 792 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 2: I need to get to a million a month, not 793 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 2: one point five million a year. I'm relying on businesses 794 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 2: to help me get there. If there's anyone listening that 795 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 2: thinks their business can contribute, I suggest that they email 796 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 2: me personally, Samuel at Love your Sister dot org. Samuel 797 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 2: with an E at Love your Sister dot org. Email 798 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 2: me your phone number. I'll call you. We'll sort it out. 799 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 2: So it's called Sam's one thousand and it's it's not 800 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll try to make this work next year. This 801 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 2: will work next year. It has to work. It will happen, 802 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 2: and you'll see me go public, go sixty minutes on 803 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 2: it once. Once I know it's real. I need to 804 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 2: have a lot more of this pyramid belt before I 805 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,720 Speaker 2: go public public within in terms of the sixty minute public. 806 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 2: So if there are anyone listening that thinks their business 807 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 2: can help, email me your phone number and I'll call 808 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:09,439 Speaker 2: you back. 809 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: You're the best. You make me feel like a fucking lazy, fraudulent, underachieving, 810 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: fucking want to be. 811 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 2: You know great, you forget you forgot that I just 812 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 2: do this shit because if I didn't it would be 813 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,320 Speaker 2: worth Come. 814 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: On you all right, Hey, you're the best. We appreciate you. 815 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: Will say goodbye a fair mate, but thank you for 816 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,280 Speaker 1: taking an hour out of your day. You're a superstar. 817 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: Congratulations on all the work you did You've raised over 818 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars so far for research. Congrats on your 819 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: recovery and your mindset and everything like you. I know 820 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: you don't like people pissing in your pocket, but you're 821 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 1: an inspiration. You're a good dude. You're a fucking knock 822 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: about bloke and you know people. You're the bloke that 823 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: everyone would want. Everybody wishes you were their mate because 824 00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,959 Speaker 1: you're just a good dude. Yourself aware. 825 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got friends, so that's funny. 826 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: You know, you're aware of your faults and flaws. You 827 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: know what you do well, you know what you do bad. 828 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,439 Speaker 1: You're practical, you're realistic. But we'll say bye, are fair butt. 829 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: Thank you mate, Samuel, Thank you Samuel L. Jackson, Samuel L. Jackson, 830 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: thanks for being on the show. 831 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll keep trying right so yah