Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Rule. This is Life in Crimes and it's
Speaker 1: a special edition of Life and Crimes because we now
Speaker 1: have a result from the Greek Lynn jury. They have
Speaker 1: come in and they have pronounced their verdicts. And Miles
Speaker 1: Prewster has covered this case for many a long day,
Speaker 1: has rushed to the studio to talk about it. Miles,
Speaker 1: what do you think of this?
Speaker 2: Well, thanks Andrew. It was a big day in court.
Speaker 2: So Greg Limb was found guilty of murdering Carol Clay,
Speaker 2: but he was acquitted of murdering Russell Hill.
Speaker 1: So sort of an even money bet by the jury.
Speaker 2: It was a split decision in the end. The jury
Speaker 2: had been deliberating for seven days. They began last Monday.
Speaker 2: I think the feeling, at least among the reporters and
Speaker 2: I'm sure many people was it would be hung Dury.
Speaker 2: We had to question earlier from the jury about what
Speaker 2: happens if they can't reach the unanimous decisions.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And then it was about just before twelve thirty on
Speaker 2: Tuesday when we were alerted at least that the jury
Speaker 2: had reached a verdicts. So the court reconvenes. It was
Speaker 2: packed in there the upstairs public gallery was at full capacity.
Speaker 2: Some people were forced to stand. There were at least
Speaker 2: twenty journalists, if not more. Mister Lynn's son, Jeordie was
Speaker 2: seated in the body of the court, and one of
Speaker 2: mister Hill's daughters, Colleen, and then there were also detectives
Speaker 2: and the lawyers and everyone. So the jury was brought
Speaker 2: into the court and they were asked for their verdict
Speaker 2: on the charge of murder against mister Hill, and the
Speaker 2: four women said not guilty. And then they asked for
Speaker 2: the verdict on the charge of murder against missus Clay
Speaker 2: and she said guilty. So I think the court was
Speaker 2: a little bit stunned for a moment. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: anyone was really expecting a split verdict, but I mean
Speaker 2: that's the result.
Speaker 1: It would seem to me as just someone standing on
Speaker 1: the sidelines to be a triumph of the jury system
Speaker 1: where the jury has actually been Some would say the
Speaker 1: light detective that detected the common sense flaws in this
Speaker 1: whole defense. I mean, it just it doesn't really make
Speaker 1: sense that two people were killed, stone dead accidentally thirty
Speaker 1: seconds apart, and the jury in the end didn't buy that.
Speaker 2: It's interesting the result because it's a split verdict, and
Speaker 2: if you really took the prosecution or the defense case,
Speaker 2: it was murder or a missap it was one or
Speaker 2: the other. But the jury's result isn't that. It's saying
Speaker 2: one was murder and the other one one wasn't murder,
Speaker 2: or at least it wasn't proven beyond reasonable doubt, And
Speaker 2: I think that's something you have to consider when you
Speaker 2: look at the verdict. The difference between mister Hill and
Speaker 2: missus Clay or their deaths at least was that Missus
Speaker 2: Clay there was evidence about the way she was killed.
Speaker 2: There were skull fragments found at Bucks Camp in place
Speaker 2: of her death. There was a lead fragment that was
Speaker 2: a shot from a shotgun which was mangled, and that
Speaker 2: had her DNA on it, I believe, whereas mister Hill
Speaker 2: there's no evidence for having except for mister lens count.
Speaker 2: So that's the only difference between their two deaths legally.
Speaker 1: Second, that's the difference, which in this case is bet enough,
Speaker 1: but it still doesn't stack up really to the pub
Speaker 1: taste that two people would accidentally meet instant death in
Speaker 1: the same minute.
Speaker 2: I agree, Look, we don't know how the jury right
Speaker 2: to the decision. But you can safely say that they've
Speaker 2: discounted mister Len's account. They don't think it's true. No,
Speaker 2: they've rejected it. And that's shown through, you know, through
Speaker 2: the murder conviction, at least with missus Clay.
Speaker 1: When you say you thought the court was surprised or stunned,
Speaker 1: the court is a phrase that takes in several people,
Speaker 1: or perhaps only one. How do you feel it was
Speaker 1: received by the bench and by the learned friends?
Speaker 2: Not a lot of reactions, to be honest, I mean,
Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of reaction from everyone. Courtrooms could
Speaker 2: be places there's you know, they're very tense, they're very
Speaker 2: you know, they places of high drama. And especially when
Speaker 2: I heard it comes back, everyone's on the edge of
Speaker 2: their seats. And then looking around the court, my eyes
Speaker 2: were trained on mister Lene, who was seated than the dock,
Speaker 2: and not a lot of reaction, to be honest. When
Speaker 2: the first verdic came back not guilty, he didn't seem
Speaker 2: to show any reaction, And then when the second one
Speaker 2: was guilty again, he didn't show much for reaction. I
Speaker 2: think he raised his eyebrows slightly again from the bar
Speaker 2: table went on to procedural things, so the judge thanked,
Speaker 2: the jury said they'd done a great job and it
Speaker 2: was difficult task, and so on. They were the usual
Speaker 2: routine and then it was moving on to proscedural things.
Speaker 2: So I was talking about when mister Lyne would returned
Speaker 2: to court to set a date for a plea hearing,
Speaker 2: which is a pre sentenced hearing, So a lot of
Speaker 2: procedural things. There wasn't a lot of reaction. I couldn't
Speaker 2: hear any gasps or any auditory reaction. But we stayed
Speaker 2: in the court and when mister Lynn was led out
Speaker 2: of the dock by the custody officers, his son Georgie,
Speaker 2: who was seated on the side of the courtroom, he
Speaker 2: actually walked past him and he whispered to him, don't stress.
Speaker 2: He was the only one from the Lynn sort of
Speaker 2: clan who was in court Tuesday. So Melanie Lynn's wife,
Speaker 2: she's been in court again most days of the tribe,
Speaker 2: but she wasn't his shoesday. But you're also got to
Speaker 2: remember when it comes to a verdict. I mean we've
Speaker 2: been waiting. This is the seventh day. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: only really get I think we had about twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: So you've really got to be waiting around the court.
Speaker 2: You've got to be in the court precinct.
Speaker 1: To make it, to make it so everyone's talking about
Speaker 1: this story, Miles, And one of the things they will
Speaker 1: talk about naturally is the things that we weren't allowed
Speaker 1: to talk about until now, and that is the existence
Speaker 1: of mister Lynn's first wife and her death, the circumstances
Speaker 1: of her death. It will become very interesting to a
Speaker 1: lot of people. They are very interesting to a lot
Speaker 1: of people who never knew it, but they're going to
Speaker 1: read and see more about it in the very near future.
Speaker 1: I think, what do you know about her and her death?
Speaker 2: So Lisa Lynne is Greg Lynn's first wife, and she
Speaker 2: died in October nineteen ninety nine, so she was in
Speaker 2: her thirties yep. And she was found in the fetal
Speaker 2: position in the front yard the couple's Mount Masden home
Speaker 2: in October nineteen ninety nine. She was found to have
Speaker 2: died from combined drug and alcohol toxicity yep. And family
Speaker 2: photos was found scattered on the lounge room floor as
Speaker 2: her two sons, then aged three and one, slept in
Speaker 2: their bedrooms at the time, mister Lynn was estranged from
Speaker 2: his wife. They had a pretty nasty breakup, and in
Speaker 2: the six months before her death, Miss Lynn, who was
Speaker 2: aged thirty four, alleged her ex husband was assaulting, harassing, threatening,
Speaker 2: or intimidating her. During this time, mister Lynn broke into
Speaker 2: his ex wife's home the form of family home, and
Speaker 2: stole their car. And then in August nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: just two months before to her death, she was prescribed
Speaker 2: antidepressants and there were high levels of these antidepressants found
Speaker 2: in her system when she died.
Speaker 1: Right was she a drinker?
Speaker 2: Interestingly, she was not a drinker. She didn't drink at.
Speaker 1: All except on this occasion when somehow it crept its
Speaker 1: way into a system in large quantities, so that police
Speaker 1: must be interested in that now.
Speaker 2: So all of this obviously is very prejudicial and wasn't
Speaker 2: heard during Greg Lynn's trolls. Of course, the jury didn't
Speaker 2: know about this, yep. But this is a sort of
Speaker 2: major story that's come out at least well, at least
Speaker 2: something we can talk about now that a verdict has
Speaker 2: been reached and his trial is over. So the Herald
Speaker 2: Sun has uncovered some statements that were given to the
Speaker 2: coroner's court. There was a coronial inquest into Lisa Lyn's death,
Speaker 2: which is what found that she died from suicide and
Speaker 2: also found that Missielin was very abusive to her. And
Speaker 2: as part of the reporting the Herald's son has done
Speaker 2: to uncover some of these things that went into this
Speaker 2: coronial inquest. There was a statement from Lisa Lyn's father
Speaker 2: in which he ledged that Greg had been making very
Speaker 2: serious death threats against her and that these continued right
Speaker 2: through to her death.
Speaker 1: Right, that's interesting. I wonder who found her body and
Speaker 1: in what circumstances. That is going to be very intriguing
Speaker 1: to see that whole thing pulled apart and to see
Speaker 1: people give sworn evidence about it.
Speaker 2: We don't know who found her body, but we do
Speaker 2: know that police investigating the disappearance of Russell Hill and
Speaker 2: Carroll Clay this actually formed part of their investigation. When
Speaker 2: they started looking into mister Lynn. They knew about his
Speaker 2: former wife and a little bit about what had happened
Speaker 2: to her.
Speaker 1: So the first missus Lynn's death will probably be referred
Speaker 1: back to the coroner. What do you know about that?
Speaker 1: When will that happen? Who do you think might be called.
Speaker 2: We don't have a timeline, but we do know that
Speaker 2: the detectives or some of the police are involved in
Speaker 2: the case are expected to refer this to the coroner
Speaker 2: to reopen the investigation, the chronical investigation. There was the
Speaker 2: original investigation twenty almost twenty five years ago, so it's
Speaker 2: about reopening that investigation and seeing what else can be found.
Speaker 2: It is a long time, but in light of mister
Speaker 2: Lynn's conviction, it's something police obviously want to have another
Speaker 2: look at.
Speaker 1: So is any other intriguing information about Lynn and his
Speaker 1: character and his habits to do with act of violence,
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, cruelty to animals.
Speaker 2: That's right. So Lisa Lynn's mother actually provided a statement
Speaker 2: to the coroner's court and she said, as far as
Speaker 2: I'm concerned, Greg is responsible for my daughter's death by
Speaker 2: mental torture inflicted by him. She spoke a little bit
Speaker 2: about Lynn's character and some incidents that she was witnessed to. Yep,
Speaker 2: she used to make repeated trips from Tasmania, so Lisa's
Speaker 2: and Lynn's mother lived in Tasmania up to Victoria to
Speaker 2: come visit her daughter and see the kids. And she
Speaker 2: described an incident at the Mount Massodon Hotel where mister
Speaker 2: Lynn flew into a fit of rage after a man
Speaker 2: spoke to her daughter. She also said miss Lynn killed
Speaker 2: animals and the neighbor's pets, and had refused to feed
Speaker 2: their two sons, Charming Bug and another person who knew
Speaker 2: the Lynz also told the heral son of how a
Speaker 2: pig went strayed into the couple's Mount Massod and property
Speaker 2: and Greg bludgeoned it to death with a spade.
Speaker 1: Right now, the police worked on this case for a
Speaker 1: long time, more than a year, and in that process,
Speaker 1: I think they had a lot of intercepts, you know,
Speaker 1: telephone intercepts, also bugs in cars and all the rest
Speaker 1: of it. What sort of material was harvested from that
Speaker 1: that we can now talk about.
Speaker 2: So the police investigation into the missing campus disappearance is
Speaker 2: one of the most fascinating parts about this case. They
Speaker 2: were on to Lin pretty quickly. Within about July twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: they visited his home and that's when they saw the
Speaker 2: car was repainted. And later that year, towards the end
Speaker 2: of the year, they got warrants to bug his car
Speaker 2: his home. So this is putting listening devices inside the
Speaker 2: home that records, conversations, put a tracker on his car,
Speaker 2: tapped his phones, and eventually put surveillance devices or set
Speaker 2: them up around the home. So nearly every word or
Speaker 2: everything miss DeLine was doing around this time was tracked
Speaker 2: and surveilled right. One of the interesting things these devices
Speaker 2: picked up, especially in his car his missing patrol, was
Speaker 2: some of the things Miss Lynn said to himself. So
Speaker 2: he was a person who spoke to himself about different things,
Speaker 2: and he actually spoke a little bit about Russell Hill
Speaker 2: and Carol Clay. One example is in May twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: he turned up the volume on his stereo after a
Speaker 2: news story about the couple's disappearance came on, and he said,
Speaker 2: I put an effing trigger lock on it. You've got
Speaker 2: to get a second set of trigger lock effing keys
Speaker 2: and stick them in there. They've just got to keep
Speaker 2: pushing all the time, don't they. Later that day, he
Speaker 2: muttered to himself after another story about the missing campus
Speaker 2: came on, They're sitting on a beach in effing Queensland,
Speaker 2: nudice beach, butt naked, playing on his effing drone, running
Speaker 2: up and down the beach, taking pictures of the young
Speaker 2: people who's got the biggest dick. He said that he
Speaker 2: said that to himself when a story about the missing
Speaker 2: campus came on, and this obviously wasn't heard by the jury,
Speaker 2: and the reason for that is the judge just decided
Speaker 2: they just have to speculate about what it means. They
Speaker 2: might think he's insane. That was part of his reasoning
Speaker 2: for excluding these things, because what he said doesn't really
Speaker 2: make sense if anything goes against the prosecution case. Is
Speaker 2: talking about them being in Queensland, and there was more
Speaker 2: examples of this as well, where he would speak about
Speaker 2: he's worried about ballistics and if police came to his
Speaker 2: house they would want samples of his ammunition. So it
Speaker 2: was just a very interesting thing that was picked up
Speaker 2: by these intercepts and one of the detectives who was
Speaker 2: part of the missing person squad, his job, it seems,
Speaker 2: was more more or less just to listen in on
Speaker 2: what Lynn was saying. He listened to I think it
Speaker 2: was more than three thy one hundred individual recordings of
Speaker 2: mister Lynn talking to himself from these bugs that were
Speaker 2: set up in his home and his car for about
Speaker 2: almost a year from the end of twenty twenty up
Speaker 2: until his arrest in November twenty one.
Speaker 1: Not totally normal behavior, definitely. Not.
Speaker 2: One other thing that was interesting about that is he's
Speaker 2: also a lover of Nick Cave and recited his songs
Speaker 2: with other dark lyrics.
Speaker 1: Now, Myles, one of the big things about this case
Speaker 1: is that the police viewed Greg Lynn at Sale Police
Speaker 1: station for days. I think he was asked what fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred questions or whatever. And much was made by the
Speaker 1: defense of this process of him being interviewed over a
Speaker 1: long time, saying that he was oppressed by this process.
Speaker 1: What do we now hear about any of that? Is
Speaker 1: there been any backwash about that since.
Speaker 2: The So the record of interview was a crucial piece
Speaker 2: of evidence in his trial. So Lynn was arrested in
Speaker 2: November twenty twenty one, he was transferred to Sale Police station,
Speaker 2: and he did he undertook what's called a record of interview,
Speaker 2: which is where you're seated at a table when you're
Speaker 2: questioned by police and the things recorded and can be
Speaker 2: used in court at a later date. So three and
Speaker 2: a half hours of this was played to the Supreme Court,
Speaker 2: shown to the jury, but it just showed Lynn giving
Speaker 2: his account the same account you know, we've heard and
Speaker 2: we've reported on the fact that they were accidentally killed
Speaker 2: and so on. But what the jury didn't know and
Speaker 2: is that it took quite a while for police to
Speaker 2: get that account from mister Lynn. Right he was arrested,
Speaker 2: transferred to the police station, and he spoke to a
Speaker 2: lawyer on the phone legally and they told him, don't
Speaker 2: say anything. It's just usually pretty good advice. And the
Speaker 2: police started questioning him and he was just saying, no comment,
Speaker 2: no comment, no comment. And this went on for hours
Speaker 2: and hours and hours.
Speaker 1: So that the actual stuff that ended up being played
Speaker 1: in court was you know, day two, day three, or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was well down the track.
Speaker 2: It was well down the track. It was about six
Speaker 2: hours or nearly six hours of questioning, over a thousand questions,
Speaker 2: forty five hours in custody before miss ln finally gave
Speaker 2: his account. And what's interesting about that is that the
Speaker 2: defense painted mister Lynn as being honest and coming forward
Speaker 2: and telling police, you know, once he was caught, it
Speaker 2: was sort of you got me, and this is what's happened.
Speaker 1: And the truth is, perhaps otherwise.
Speaker 2: The truth of it is he was actually in custody
Speaker 2: quite a long time and he only gave this account
Speaker 2: after he was pressured by police. And this is the
Speaker 2: other interesting thing about this. The reason that's how the
Speaker 2: jury were told it is because the police, when they
Speaker 2: did this interview, didn't do it.
Speaker 1: By the book in the sense that they didn't have
Speaker 1: his own lawyer present. But they kept offering him a
Speaker 1: chance to bring a lawyer, did they not.
Speaker 2: So he spoke to a lawyer on the phone and
Speaker 2: the lawyer gave him that advice. But what they actually
Speaker 2: did is they were so desperate for answers, or at
Speaker 2: least this is how the police explained it, that they
Speaker 2: pressured Lynn into giving an account. They undermine his legal advice.
Speaker 2: Like when you're an accused person sitting in a police
Speaker 2: station getting questioned by police, you do have rights. You
Speaker 2: don't have to say anything, and if you say no comment,
Speaker 2: the police generally should take that. As you know, this
Speaker 2: is no comment. But what they didn't do that they
Speaker 2: pushed and pushed and pushed and call it on the
Speaker 2: pressure until they cracked. And Justice Michael Crouch of the
Speaker 2: judge in this case ruled because of this conduct by
Speaker 2: the police, which you know was pretty full on. He
Speaker 2: ruled this interview out and all the evidence that was
Speaker 2: found in it out of the trial, so that means
Speaker 2: inadmissible to the trial, and its defense chose to reintroduce
Speaker 2: it and use it part as part of their case,
Speaker 2: but again they only reintroduced the parts they liked. So
Speaker 2: his account, while admitting the fact that it took him
Speaker 2: six hours, on nearly six hours to give an account.
Speaker 1: Did he not this very honest man that told an
Speaker 1: honest account eventually? Did he not tell some pooky buys earlier?
Speaker 1: Did he tell lies to the police at some point,
Speaker 1: which also, of course is seen admissible, But so he
Speaker 1: wasn't actually just the fellow says, who says, you've got
Speaker 1: me and now I'm going to tell you everything that's
Speaker 1: not true? Is it?
Speaker 2: Well, that's how this events like to paint him. They
Speaker 2: I think that's how events him completely accurate and completely honest,
Speaker 2: and that's not quite true. It's also in July twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: the police visited lenn at his home, and this was
Speaker 2: also excluded from the trial, or at least the contents
Speaker 2: of the conversation. Then police asked him about his movements
Speaker 2: and the want to get a valley four months earlier,
Speaker 2: Misscellyn lied said he hadn't seen the missing campers, and
Speaker 2: he lied to them. He said he wasn't he didn't
Speaker 2: see that. Obviously wasn't true. Jury wasn't told that. The
Speaker 2: jury was told police visit in him at his home
Speaker 2: in July twenty twenty and they noticed his car was repainted,
Speaker 2: but they didn't know what police actually spoke about with
Speaker 2: Miss Delenn. The reason that was left out essentially comes
Speaker 2: down to the fact that police, again this just came
Speaker 2: out in pre trial. Police denied this, but they were
Speaker 2: they were treating him as a suspect at that stage
Speaker 2: of the investigation. When you're a suspect, you to be cautioned,
Speaker 2: you have to be cautioned. You have to be given
Speaker 2: a legal caution.
Speaker 1: It's a very fine line here. It really comes down
Speaker 1: to sort of word definition. What's the suspect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is the interesting thing, the difference between
Speaker 2: a person of interest and a suspect. And they denied it.
Speaker 2: They said he was just a person of interest, but
Speaker 2: the judge found against them said no, it was obviously
Speaker 2: he was a suspect. At this point you didn't caution him,
Speaker 2: and therefore this conversation you had is inadmissible at trial
Speaker 2: because you didn't do the right thing.
Speaker 1: No comment issues interesting. I presume that if I ask
Speaker 1: you what your name is and you say no comment,
Speaker 1: I come back and say, second question, how old are you?
Speaker 1: And you may well tell me. You know that you can.
Speaker 1: You can choose whether to say no comment to two
Speaker 1: hundred questions or pick the ones you want to answer.
Speaker 2: That's right. I mean, it's up to you how you
Speaker 2: answer those questions. I think the police what they were
Speaker 2: doing in that interview is they were taking him through
Speaker 2: what they had, yeah, and asking him for a you
Speaker 2: know what his answer was to each different thing they
Speaker 2: were putting to.
Speaker 1: Him, exposing him to the story they'd built.
Speaker 2: At the same time, they were piling the pressure on
Speaker 2: and the judge found they used oppressive conduct impressive yeah,
Speaker 2: and they were using things like inducements, which is where
Speaker 2: you sort of make a false offer which you know
Speaker 2: you're not going to follow through if you've give an account,
Speaker 2: and that sort of worked through things like I think
Speaker 2: that was one point where they made some weird comparison
Speaker 2: about greg Lynn being a pilot. Greg Lyn would say,
Speaker 2: you know my lawyer, I've spoken to my lawyer. They
Speaker 2: say I should say no comment, and the police then
Speaker 2: make this weird comparison about how it's a bit like
Speaker 2: a flight attendant telling a pilot how to fly a
Speaker 2: plan in saying you wouldn't let your flight attendant tell
Speaker 2: you how to fly plan. You're the pilot, you're in charge.
Speaker 2: And so that's just one example of some of the
Speaker 2: conduct they were doing.
Speaker 1: Also pandering to his ego. It's hardly yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And an inducement, for example, was they kind of said,
Speaker 2: you haven't given us an account. You know, if you're
Speaker 2: charged with murder, like that's it, you're going to be
Speaker 2: in jail, you're going to be on remand. But if
Speaker 2: you give us an account, maybe you get charged with manslaughter,
Speaker 2: maybe you get bail. So that's kind of an example
Speaker 2: of the misconduct by police because after he gave his account,
Speaker 2: of course, the police just charged them with murder and
Speaker 2: that was that.
Speaker 1: And is that misconduct or is that an allowable device
Speaker 1: or tactic?
Speaker 2: So during pre trial them to two detectives who were
Speaker 2: in that interview room it's our police station November twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, they were grilled about why they treated instantly
Speaker 2: in this way by the defense and they spoke a
Speaker 2: bit about the pressure they were under from the public,
Speaker 2: from the families, from their command, about getting answers from
Speaker 2: miss DeLine about what had happened. Probably you're going to
Speaker 2: remember at this stage of the investigation they didn't have
Speaker 2: a lot on him. They may not have had enough
Speaker 2: to charge him, and they may have seen this as
Speaker 2: their one opportunity to get answers from mister Lynn, because
Speaker 2: if he talks to a lawyer, he might clam up
Speaker 2: and that's it. And they also said, at that stage,
Speaker 2: remember they'd been missing for about twenty months, they wanted
Speaker 2: to find the remains of the missing campus. And eventually
Speaker 2: Linn did give his account, and he did tell them
Speaker 2: where the campus were. It allowed their remains to be
Speaker 2: repatriated with the families, and the judge actually made a
Speaker 2: comment on this. He said he had no doubt the
Speaker 2: detectives were decent, capable, hard working members of Victoria Police
Speaker 2: who were under great pressure to provide answers to the families.
Speaker 2: But without mister Line's account, which the police got, they
Speaker 2: would have never have found these remains. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: the simple fact of it. The Wannagata Valley is a
Speaker 2: huge fast mountainous area, and he said, without miss Line's account,
Speaker 2: finding that evidence would have not been just like finding
Speaker 2: a needle in a haystack, but more like finding a
Speaker 2: speck in a dust storm, which.
Speaker 1: Is I'm sure everyone agrees with the police would agree
Speaker 1: with that. I'm sure the dury and the public would
Speaker 1: agree with that. Without him revealing where he put the
Speaker 1: remains that he burnt, no one would know. That's right,
Speaker 1: miles where too from here.
Speaker 2: So mister Lynn, who's been in custody since November twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, he was reminded in his stays in custody.
Speaker 2: Next thing he'll face is a mentioned hearing next month,
Speaker 2: July nineteen, and that's going to be a sort of
Speaker 2: timetabling for what's called a plea hearing or a pre
Speaker 2: sentenced hearing that'll be held you know, the half of
Speaker 2: the mansion, and then they all to side on a
Speaker 2: date for that. At a plea hearing, this is the
Speaker 2: opportunity of the victim's families to have their say. They
Speaker 2: contend the victim impact statements excellent. They can either have
Speaker 2: them read privately by the judge, or they can read
Speaker 2: them out and court themselves and they're quiet, emotional, they
Speaker 2: can be fulln it's it's someone speaking about you know,
Speaker 2: their murdered loved ones, So that will probably be the
Speaker 2: main thing from the pre sentence hearing. But it's also
Speaker 2: you gets submissions from the prosecution the defense who are
Speaker 2: pushing for a particular things, so aggravating and mitigating factors, right,
Speaker 2: goes on, Yeah, yeah, exactly, So it's the different submissions
Speaker 2: from the two. Then the judge will arrive in a
Speaker 2: sentence write up his sentence remarks and miss Alene will
Speaker 2: be senslater this year.
Speaker 1: Was the marathon running prosecutor.
Speaker 2: That he was so Daniel Porchdu, one of the Crown prosecutors,
Speaker 2: was there. That's correct. That's good for our listeners who
Speaker 2: were not he'd not quiet, so this was something funny
Speaker 2: that happened. Mister Portugeu was away for a couple of
Speaker 2: days in the trial. Took a Friday and a Monday off,
Speaker 2: so he had four days well, he had the weekend
Speaker 2: plus two days off. Jury wasn't told why its just
Speaker 2: wasn't there. The other prosecutor was up. He was actually
Speaker 2: running an ultra marathon in the outback good lok yep.
Speaker 2: So he had this pre booked. He also was parachuted in.
Speaker 2: He wasn't the original prosecutor, but he took over the
Speaker 2: case in April, only about a month or two before
Speaker 2: the trial began. He had this pre booked. He told
Speaker 2: the court about it at the start of the trial
Speaker 2: and said, look, you know the juror wasn't in, but
Speaker 2: I've got this holiday booked all this well some really
Speaker 2: holiday but this ultra marathon booked in.
Speaker 1: And you know so he had a good run out
Speaker 1: somewhere near Wolf Creek.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I looked at it. We actually found it and
Speaker 2: we found his results. He did did pretty good.
Speaker 1: He did it.
Speaker 2: It's twelve and a half hours, it's sixty five k
Speaker 2: I think it was a it was a runner on
Speaker 2: the Larapinta trail in Territory, beautiful part of Australia, and
Speaker 2: it was yeah, twelve and a half hours. It's a
Speaker 2: long run.
Speaker 1: Good god. And was the defense council mister Dermott Dan
Speaker 1: in court for the verdict.
Speaker 2: No, Dermot Dan. We've heard he's on holiday in Africa,
Speaker 2: but mister Dan was not in court. Dermot Dan main
Speaker 2: defense barrister, but he's junior. Michael McGrath, also a barrister,
Speaker 2: was in court for the verdict, So mister dan On
Speaker 2: I believe it was Friday or Thursday. He said his
Speaker 2: farewells to the court. The jury again weren't told this.
Speaker 2: He thanks the custody staff for how they treated his client,
Speaker 2: and he also, I think, thank the judge.
Speaker 1: And that was it, and we look forward to hearing
Speaker 1: more about all of this later on, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's not over yet. We will hear interesting stories about
Speaker 1: the life and times of Quiglin.
Speaker 2: That's all right, looking forward to it.
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