1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Rule. This is Life in Crimes and it's 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: a special edition of Life and Crimes because we now 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: have a result from the Greek Lynn jury. They have 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: come in and they have pronounced their verdicts. And Miles 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Prewster has covered this case for many a long day, 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: has rushed to the studio to talk about it. Miles, 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: what do you think of this? 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: Well, thanks Andrew. It was a big day in court. 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: So Greg Limb was found guilty of murdering Carol Clay, 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: but he was acquitted of murdering Russell Hill. 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: So sort of an even money bet by the jury. 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: It was a split decision in the end. The jury 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: had been deliberating for seven days. They began last Monday. 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: I think the feeling, at least among the reporters and 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure many people was it would be hung Dury. 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: We had to question earlier from the jury about what 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: happens if they can't reach the unanimous decisions. 18 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: Yep. 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: And then it was about just before twelve thirty on 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: Tuesday when we were alerted at least that the jury 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: had reached a verdicts. So the court reconvenes. It was 22 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: packed in there the upstairs public gallery was at full capacity. 23 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: Some people were forced to stand. There were at least 24 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: twenty journalists, if not more. Mister Lynn's son, Jeordie was 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: seated in the body of the court, and one of 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: mister Hill's daughters, Colleen, and then there were also detectives 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 2: and the lawyers and everyone. So the jury was brought 28 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: into the court and they were asked for their verdict 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: on the charge of murder against mister Hill, and the 30 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: four women said not guilty. And then they asked for 31 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: the verdict on the charge of murder against missus Clay 32 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: and she said guilty. So I think the court was 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: a little bit stunned for a moment. I'm not sure 34 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: anyone was really expecting a split verdict, but I mean 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: that's the result. 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: It would seem to me as just someone standing on 37 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: the sidelines to be a triumph of the jury system 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: where the jury has actually been Some would say the 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: light detective that detected the common sense flaws in this 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: whole defense. I mean, it just it doesn't really make 41 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: sense that two people were killed, stone dead accidentally thirty 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: seconds apart, and the jury in the end didn't buy that. 43 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: It's interesting the result because it's a split verdict, and 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: if you really took the prosecution or the defense case, 45 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 2: it was murder or a missap it was one or 46 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: the other. But the jury's result isn't that. It's saying 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: one was murder and the other one one wasn't murder, 48 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: or at least it wasn't proven beyond reasonable doubt, And 49 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: I think that's something you have to consider when you 50 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: look at the verdict. The difference between mister Hill and 51 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: missus Clay or their deaths at least was that Missus 52 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: Clay there was evidence about the way she was killed. 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: There were skull fragments found at Bucks Camp in place 54 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: of her death. There was a lead fragment that was 55 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: a shot from a shotgun which was mangled, and that 56 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: had her DNA on it, I believe, whereas mister Hill 57 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: there's no evidence for having except for mister lens count. 58 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 2: So that's the only difference between their two deaths legally. 59 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: Second, that's the difference, which in this case is bet enough, 60 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: but it still doesn't stack up really to the pub 61 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: taste that two people would accidentally meet instant death in 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: the same minute. 63 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: I agree, Look, we don't know how the jury right 64 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: to the decision. But you can safely say that they've 65 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: discounted mister Len's account. They don't think it's true. No, 66 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: they've rejected it. And that's shown through, you know, through 67 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: the murder conviction, at least with missus Clay. 68 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: When you say you thought the court was surprised or stunned, 69 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: the court is a phrase that takes in several people, 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: or perhaps only one. How do you feel it was 71 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: received by the bench and by the learned friends? 72 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: Not a lot of reactions, to be honest, I mean, 73 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of reaction from everyone. Courtrooms could 74 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: be places there's you know, they're very tense, they're very 75 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: you know, they places of high drama. And especially when 76 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: I heard it comes back, everyone's on the edge of 77 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: their seats. And then looking around the court, my eyes 78 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: were trained on mister Lene, who was seated than the dock, 79 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: and not a lot of reaction, to be honest. When 80 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: the first verdic came back not guilty, he didn't seem 81 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: to show any reaction, And then when the second one 82 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: was guilty again, he didn't show much for reaction. I 83 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: think he raised his eyebrows slightly again from the bar 84 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: table went on to procedural things, so the judge thanked, 85 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: the jury said they'd done a great job and it 86 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 2: was difficult task, and so on. They were the usual 87 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: routine and then it was moving on to proscedural things. 88 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: So I was talking about when mister Lyne would returned 89 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: to court to set a date for a plea hearing, 90 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: which is a pre sentenced hearing, So a lot of 91 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: procedural things. There wasn't a lot of reaction. I couldn't 92 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: hear any gasps or any auditory reaction. But we stayed 93 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: in the court and when mister Lynn was led out 94 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: of the dock by the custody officers, his son Georgie, 95 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: who was seated on the side of the courtroom, he 96 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: actually walked past him and he whispered to him, don't stress. 97 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: He was the only one from the Lynn sort of 98 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: clan who was in court Tuesday. So Melanie Lynn's wife, 99 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: she's been in court again most days of the tribe, 100 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: but she wasn't his shoesday. But you're also got to 101 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: remember when it comes to a verdict. I mean we've 102 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: been waiting. This is the seventh day. Yeah, and you 103 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 2: only really get I think we had about twenty minutes. 104 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: So you've really got to be waiting around the court. 105 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: You've got to be in the court precinct. 106 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 1: To make it, to make it so everyone's talking about 107 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: this story, Miles, And one of the things they will 108 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: talk about naturally is the things that we weren't allowed 109 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: to talk about until now, and that is the existence 110 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: of mister Lynn's first wife and her death, the circumstances 111 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: of her death. It will become very interesting to a 112 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: lot of people. They are very interesting to a lot 113 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: of people who never knew it, but they're going to 114 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: read and see more about it in the very near future. 115 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 1: I think, what do you know about her and her death? 116 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: So Lisa Lynne is Greg Lynn's first wife, and she 117 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: died in October nineteen ninety nine, so she was in 118 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: her thirties yep. And she was found in the fetal 119 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: position in the front yard the couple's Mount Masden home 120 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: in October nineteen ninety nine. She was found to have 121 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: died from combined drug and alcohol toxicity yep. And family 122 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: photos was found scattered on the lounge room floor as 123 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 2: her two sons, then aged three and one, slept in 124 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: their bedrooms at the time, mister Lynn was estranged from 125 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: his wife. They had a pretty nasty breakup, and in 126 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: the six months before her death, Miss Lynn, who was 127 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: aged thirty four, alleged her ex husband was assaulting, harassing, threatening, 128 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: or intimidating her. During this time, mister Lynn broke into 129 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: his ex wife's home the form of family home, and 130 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: stole their car. And then in August nineteen ninety nine, 131 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: just two months before to her death, she was prescribed 132 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: antidepressants and there were high levels of these antidepressants found 133 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: in her system when she died. 134 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: Right was she a drinker? 135 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: Interestingly, she was not a drinker. She didn't drink at. 136 00:06:54,800 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: All except on this occasion when somehow it crept its 137 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: way into a system in large quantities, so that police 138 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: must be interested in that now. 139 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: So all of this obviously is very prejudicial and wasn't 140 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: heard during Greg Lynn's trolls. Of course, the jury didn't 141 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: know about this, yep. But this is a sort of 142 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: major story that's come out at least well, at least 143 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: something we can talk about now that a verdict has 144 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: been reached and his trial is over. So the Herald 145 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: Sun has uncovered some statements that were given to the 146 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: coroner's court. There was a coronial inquest into Lisa Lyn's death, 147 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: which is what found that she died from suicide and 148 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: also found that Missielin was very abusive to her. And 149 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: as part of the reporting the Herald's son has done 150 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: to uncover some of these things that went into this 151 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: coronial inquest. There was a statement from Lisa Lyn's father 152 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: in which he ledged that Greg had been making very 153 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: serious death threats against her and that these continued right 154 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: through to her death. 155 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: Right, that's interesting. I wonder who found her body and 156 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: in what circumstances. That is going to be very intriguing 157 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: to see that whole thing pulled apart and to see 158 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: people give sworn evidence about it. 159 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: We don't know who found her body, but we do 160 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: know that police investigating the disappearance of Russell Hill and 161 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: Carroll Clay this actually formed part of their investigation. When 162 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: they started looking into mister Lynn. They knew about his 163 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: former wife and a little bit about what had happened 164 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: to her. 165 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: So the first missus Lynn's death will probably be referred 166 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: back to the coroner. What do you know about that? 167 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: When will that happen? Who do you think might be called. 168 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: We don't have a timeline, but we do know that 169 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: the detectives or some of the police are involved in 170 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: the case are expected to refer this to the coroner 171 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: to reopen the investigation, the chronical investigation. There was the 172 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: original investigation twenty almost twenty five years ago, so it's 173 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: about reopening that investigation and seeing what else can be found. 174 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: It is a long time, but in light of mister 175 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: Lynn's conviction, it's something police obviously want to have another 176 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: look at. 177 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: So is any other intriguing information about Lynn and his 178 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: character and his habits to do with act of violence, 179 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, cruelty to animals. 180 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: That's right. So Lisa Lynn's mother actually provided a statement 181 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: to the coroner's court and she said, as far as 182 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 2: I'm concerned, Greg is responsible for my daughter's death by 183 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: mental torture inflicted by him. She spoke a little bit 184 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: about Lynn's character and some incidents that she was witnessed to. Yep, 185 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: she used to make repeated trips from Tasmania, so Lisa's 186 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: and Lynn's mother lived in Tasmania up to Victoria to 187 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: come visit her daughter and see the kids. And she 188 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: described an incident at the Mount Massodon Hotel where mister 189 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: Lynn flew into a fit of rage after a man 190 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 2: spoke to her daughter. She also said miss Lynn killed 191 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 2: animals and the neighbor's pets, and had refused to feed 192 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: their two sons, Charming Bug and another person who knew 193 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: the Lynz also told the heral son of how a 194 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: pig went strayed into the couple's Mount Massod and property 195 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 2: and Greg bludgeoned it to death with a spade. 196 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: Right now, the police worked on this case for a 197 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: long time, more than a year, and in that process, 198 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: I think they had a lot of intercepts, you know, 199 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: telephone intercepts, also bugs in cars and all the rest 200 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: of it. What sort of material was harvested from that 201 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: that we can now talk about. 202 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: So the police investigation into the missing campus disappearance is 203 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: one of the most fascinating parts about this case. They 204 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: were on to Lin pretty quickly. Within about July twenty twenty, 205 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: they visited his home and that's when they saw the 206 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: car was repainted. And later that year, towards the end 207 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: of the year, they got warrants to bug his car 208 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: his home. So this is putting listening devices inside the 209 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: home that records, conversations, put a tracker on his car, 210 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: tapped his phones, and eventually put surveillance devices or set 211 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: them up around the home. So nearly every word or 212 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: everything miss DeLine was doing around this time was tracked 213 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: and surveilled right. One of the interesting things these devices 214 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: picked up, especially in his car his missing patrol, was 215 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: some of the things Miss Lynn said to himself. So 216 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: he was a person who spoke to himself about different things, 217 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: and he actually spoke a little bit about Russell Hill 218 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: and Carol Clay. One example is in May twenty twenty one, 219 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: he turned up the volume on his stereo after a 220 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: news story about the couple's disappearance came on, and he said, 221 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: I put an effing trigger lock on it. You've got 222 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: to get a second set of trigger lock effing keys 223 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: and stick them in there. They've just got to keep 224 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: pushing all the time, don't they. Later that day, he 225 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: muttered to himself after another story about the missing campus 226 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: came on, They're sitting on a beach in effing Queensland, 227 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: nudice beach, butt naked, playing on his effing drone, running 228 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: up and down the beach, taking pictures of the young 229 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: people who's got the biggest dick. He said that he 230 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: said that to himself when a story about the missing 231 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: campus came on, and this obviously wasn't heard by the jury, 232 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: and the reason for that is the judge just decided 233 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: they just have to speculate about what it means. They 234 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: might think he's insane. That was part of his reasoning 235 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: for excluding these things, because what he said doesn't really 236 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: make sense if anything goes against the prosecution case. Is 237 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: talking about them being in Queensland, and there was more 238 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 2: examples of this as well, where he would speak about 239 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: he's worried about ballistics and if police came to his 240 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: house they would want samples of his ammunition. So it 241 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: was just a very interesting thing that was picked up 242 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: by these intercepts and one of the detectives who was 243 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: part of the missing person squad, his job, it seems, 244 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: was more more or less just to listen in on 245 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: what Lynn was saying. He listened to I think it 246 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: was more than three thy one hundred individual recordings of 247 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: mister Lynn talking to himself from these bugs that were 248 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: set up in his home and his car for about 249 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: almost a year from the end of twenty twenty up 250 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: until his arrest in November twenty one. 251 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: Not totally normal behavior, definitely. Not. 252 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: One other thing that was interesting about that is he's 253 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: also a lover of Nick Cave and recited his songs 254 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: with other dark lyrics. 255 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: Now, Myles, one of the big things about this case 256 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: is that the police viewed Greg Lynn at Sale Police 257 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: station for days. I think he was asked what fifteen 258 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: hundred questions or whatever. And much was made by the 259 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: defense of this process of him being interviewed over a 260 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: long time, saying that he was oppressed by this process. 261 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: What do we now hear about any of that? Is 262 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,359 Speaker 1: there been any backwash about that since. 263 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: The So the record of interview was a crucial piece 264 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: of evidence in his trial. So Lynn was arrested in 265 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 2: November twenty twenty one, he was transferred to Sale Police station, 266 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: and he did he undertook what's called a record of interview, 267 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: which is where you're seated at a table when you're 268 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: questioned by police and the things recorded and can be 269 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: used in court at a later date. So three and 270 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: a half hours of this was played to the Supreme Court, 271 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 2: shown to the jury, but it just showed Lynn giving 272 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: his account the same account you know, we've heard and 273 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: we've reported on the fact that they were accidentally killed 274 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: and so on. But what the jury didn't know and 275 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: is that it took quite a while for police to 276 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: get that account from mister Lynn. Right he was arrested, 277 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: transferred to the police station, and he spoke to a 278 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: lawyer on the phone legally and they told him, don't 279 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: say anything. It's just usually pretty good advice. And the 280 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: police started questioning him and he was just saying, no comment, 281 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: no comment, no comment. And this went on for hours 282 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: and hours and hours. 283 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: So that the actual stuff that ended up being played 284 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: in court was you know, day two, day three, or whatever. 285 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: It was well down the track. 286 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: It was well down the track. It was about six 287 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: hours or nearly six hours of questioning, over a thousand questions, 288 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: forty five hours in custody before miss ln finally gave 289 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: his account. And what's interesting about that is that the 290 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: defense painted mister Lynn as being honest and coming forward 291 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: and telling police, you know, once he was caught, it 292 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: was sort of you got me, and this is what's happened. 293 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: And the truth is, perhaps otherwise. 294 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: The truth of it is he was actually in custody 295 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: quite a long time and he only gave this account 296 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: after he was pressured by police. And this is the 297 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: other interesting thing about this. The reason that's how the 298 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: jury were told it is because the police, when they 299 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: did this interview, didn't do it. 300 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: By the book in the sense that they didn't have 301 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: his own lawyer present. But they kept offering him a 302 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: chance to bring a lawyer, did they not. 303 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: So he spoke to a lawyer on the phone and 304 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: the lawyer gave him that advice. But what they actually 305 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: did is they were so desperate for answers, or at 306 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: least this is how the police explained it, that they 307 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: pressured Lynn into giving an account. They undermine his legal advice. 308 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: Like when you're an accused person sitting in a police 309 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: station getting questioned by police, you do have rights. You 310 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: don't have to say anything, and if you say no comment, 311 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: the police generally should take that. As you know, this 312 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: is no comment. But what they didn't do that they 313 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: pushed and pushed and pushed and call it on the 314 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: pressure until they cracked. And Justice Michael Crouch of the 315 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: judge in this case ruled because of this conduct by 316 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: the police, which you know was pretty full on. He 317 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: ruled this interview out and all the evidence that was 318 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: found in it out of the trial, so that means 319 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: inadmissible to the trial, and its defense chose to reintroduce 320 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: it and use it part as part of their case, 321 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: but again they only reintroduced the parts they liked. So 322 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: his account, while admitting the fact that it took him 323 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: six hours, on nearly six hours to give an account. 324 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: Did he not this very honest man that told an 325 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: honest account eventually? Did he not tell some pooky buys earlier? 326 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: Did he tell lies to the police at some point, 327 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: which also, of course is seen admissible, But so he 328 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: wasn't actually just the fellow says, who says, you've got 329 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: me and now I'm going to tell you everything that's 330 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: not true? Is it? 331 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's how this events like to paint him. They 332 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: I think that's how events him completely accurate and completely honest, 333 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: and that's not quite true. It's also in July twenty twenty, 334 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: the police visited lenn at his home, and this was 335 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: also excluded from the trial, or at least the contents 336 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: of the conversation. Then police asked him about his movements 337 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: and the want to get a valley four months earlier, 338 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: Misscellyn lied said he hadn't seen the missing campers, and 339 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: he lied to them. He said he wasn't he didn't 340 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: see that. Obviously wasn't true. Jury wasn't told that. The 341 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 2: jury was told police visit in him at his home 342 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: in July twenty twenty and they noticed his car was repainted, 343 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: but they didn't know what police actually spoke about with 344 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: Miss Delenn. The reason that was left out essentially comes 345 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 2: down to the fact that police, again this just came 346 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: out in pre trial. Police denied this, but they were 347 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: they were treating him as a suspect at that stage 348 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: of the investigation. When you're a suspect, you to be cautioned, 349 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 2: you have to be cautioned. You have to be given 350 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: a legal caution. 351 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: It's a very fine line here. It really comes down 352 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: to sort of word definition. What's the suspect. 353 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is the interesting thing, the difference between 354 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: a person of interest and a suspect. And they denied it. 355 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: They said he was just a person of interest, but 356 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: the judge found against them said no, it was obviously 357 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: he was a suspect. At this point you didn't caution him, 358 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: and therefore this conversation you had is inadmissible at trial 359 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: because you didn't do the right thing. 360 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: No comment issues interesting. I presume that if I ask 361 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: you what your name is and you say no comment, 362 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: I come back and say, second question, how old are you? 363 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: And you may well tell me. You know that you can. 364 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: You can choose whether to say no comment to two 365 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: hundred questions or pick the ones you want to answer. 366 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: That's right. I mean, it's up to you how you 367 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: answer those questions. I think the police what they were 368 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: doing in that interview is they were taking him through 369 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: what they had, yeah, and asking him for a you 370 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 2: know what his answer was to each different thing they 371 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 2: were putting to. 372 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: Him, exposing him to the story they'd built. 373 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: At the same time, they were piling the pressure on 374 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: and the judge found they used oppressive conduct impressive yeah, 375 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: and they were using things like inducements, which is where 376 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: you sort of make a false offer which you know 377 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: you're not going to follow through if you've give an account, 378 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: and that sort of worked through things like I think 379 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: that was one point where they made some weird comparison 380 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 2: about greg Lynn being a pilot. Greg Lyn would say, 381 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: you know my lawyer, I've spoken to my lawyer. They 382 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: say I should say no comment, and the police then 383 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 2: make this weird comparison about how it's a bit like 384 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: a flight attendant telling a pilot how to fly a 385 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: plan in saying you wouldn't let your flight attendant tell 386 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: you how to fly plan. You're the pilot, you're in charge. 387 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: And so that's just one example of some of the 388 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 2: conduct they were doing. 389 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: Also pandering to his ego. It's hardly yeah, exactly. 390 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 2: And an inducement, for example, was they kind of said, 391 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: you haven't given us an account. You know, if you're 392 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: charged with murder, like that's it, you're going to be 393 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: in jail, you're going to be on remand. But if 394 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: you give us an account, maybe you get charged with manslaughter, 395 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: maybe you get bail. So that's kind of an example 396 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: of the misconduct by police because after he gave his account, 397 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: of course, the police just charged them with murder and 398 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: that was that. 399 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: And is that misconduct or is that an allowable device 400 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: or tactic? 401 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: So during pre trial them to two detectives who were 402 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: in that interview room it's our police station November twenty 403 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 2: twenty one, they were grilled about why they treated instantly 404 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 2: in this way by the defense and they spoke a 405 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: bit about the pressure they were under from the public, 406 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: from the families, from their command, about getting answers from 407 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: miss DeLine about what had happened. Probably you're going to 408 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: remember at this stage of the investigation they didn't have 409 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: a lot on him. They may not have had enough 410 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: to charge him, and they may have seen this as 411 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: their one opportunity to get answers from mister Lynn, because 412 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: if he talks to a lawyer, he might clam up 413 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: and that's it. And they also said, at that stage, 414 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: remember they'd been missing for about twenty months, they wanted 415 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: to find the remains of the missing campus. And eventually 416 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: Linn did give his account, and he did tell them 417 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: where the campus were. It allowed their remains to be 418 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: repatriated with the families, and the judge actually made a 419 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 2: comment on this. He said he had no doubt the 420 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: detectives were decent, capable, hard working members of Victoria Police 421 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: who were under great pressure to provide answers to the families. 422 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: But without mister Line's account, which the police got, they 423 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: would have never have found these remains. I mean, that's 424 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: the simple fact of it. The Wannagata Valley is a 425 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 2: huge fast mountainous area, and he said, without miss Line's account, 426 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: finding that evidence would have not been just like finding 427 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: a needle in a haystack, but more like finding a 428 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: speck in a dust storm, which. 429 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: Is I'm sure everyone agrees with the police would agree 430 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: with that. I'm sure the dury and the public would 431 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: agree with that. Without him revealing where he put the 432 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: remains that he burnt, no one would know. That's right, 433 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: miles where too from here. 434 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: So mister Lynn, who's been in custody since November twenty 435 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: twenty one, he was reminded in his stays in custody. 436 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: Next thing he'll face is a mentioned hearing next month, 437 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: July nineteen, and that's going to be a sort of 438 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: timetabling for what's called a plea hearing or a pre 439 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: sentenced hearing that'll be held you know, the half of 440 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: the mansion, and then they all to side on a 441 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: date for that. At a plea hearing, this is the 442 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: opportunity of the victim's families to have their say. They 443 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: contend the victim impact statements excellent. They can either have 444 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: them read privately by the judge, or they can read 445 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: them out and court themselves and they're quiet, emotional, they 446 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 2: can be fulln it's it's someone speaking about you know, 447 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: their murdered loved ones, So that will probably be the 448 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 2: main thing from the pre sentence hearing. But it's also 449 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: you gets submissions from the prosecution the defense who are 450 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: pushing for a particular things, so aggravating and mitigating factors, right, 451 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: goes on, Yeah, yeah, exactly, So it's the different submissions 452 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: from the two. Then the judge will arrive in a 453 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: sentence write up his sentence remarks and miss Alene will 454 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: be senslater this year. 455 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: Was the marathon running prosecutor. 456 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: That he was so Daniel Porchdu, one of the Crown prosecutors, 457 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: was there. That's correct. That's good for our listeners who 458 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 2: were not he'd not quiet, so this was something funny 459 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: that happened. Mister Portugeu was away for a couple of 460 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 2: days in the trial. Took a Friday and a Monday off, 461 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 2: so he had four days well, he had the weekend 462 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 2: plus two days off. Jury wasn't told why its just 463 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: wasn't there. The other prosecutor was up. He was actually 464 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: running an ultra marathon in the outback good lok yep. 465 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: So he had this pre booked. He also was parachuted in. 466 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: He wasn't the original prosecutor, but he took over the 467 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: case in April, only about a month or two before 468 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: the trial began. He had this pre booked. He told 469 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: the court about it at the start of the trial 470 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: and said, look, you know the juror wasn't in, but 471 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 2: I've got this holiday booked all this well some really 472 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: holiday but this ultra marathon booked in. 473 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: And you know so he had a good run out 474 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: somewhere near Wolf Creek. 475 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. I looked at it. We actually found it and 476 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 2: we found his results. He did did pretty good. 477 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: He did it. 478 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: It's twelve and a half hours, it's sixty five k 479 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: I think it was a it was a runner on 480 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: the Larapinta trail in Territory, beautiful part of Australia, and 481 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: it was yeah, twelve and a half hours. It's a 482 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: long run. 483 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: Good god. And was the defense council mister Dermott Dan 484 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: in court for the verdict. 485 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: No, Dermot Dan. We've heard he's on holiday in Africa, 486 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: but mister Dan was not in court. Dermot Dan main 487 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: defense barrister, but he's junior. Michael McGrath, also a barrister, 488 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: was in court for the verdict, So mister dan On 489 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: I believe it was Friday or Thursday. He said his 490 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: farewells to the court. The jury again weren't told this. 491 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: He thanks the custody staff for how they treated his client, 492 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: and he also, I think, thank the judge. 493 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: And that was it, and we look forward to hearing 494 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: more about all of this later on, and I'm sure 495 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: it's not over yet. 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