WEBVTT - 11. Ripple Effect 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:07.281 APPOJA production. 0:00:12.201 --> 0:00:14.521 Okay, this is one of those stories that it's important 0:00:14.561 --> 0:00:16.281 to talk about, but we know he's going to be 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.801 really challenging for many of you to listen to, So 0:00:19.001 --> 0:00:21.241 just a warning. We're talking about suicide over the next 0:00:21.281 --> 0:00:24.841 ten minutes. It's the story of Eden Westbrook, fifteen years old, 0:00:25.001 --> 0:00:27.841 who took her own life according to investigations that were 0:00:27.841 --> 0:00:30.321 conducted by police and the coroner. 0:00:32.561 --> 0:00:36.201 That's Leon Compton. He hosts the morning show across Tasmania 0:00:36.521 --> 0:00:40.441 on ABC Radio and last week he had Tasmanian Senator 0:00:40.521 --> 0:00:44.601 Jackie Lamby on his show talking about Eden Westbrook. 0:00:45.081 --> 0:00:47.321 Goat thoughts with Eden's family who might be listening in 0:00:47.361 --> 0:00:50.480 this morning, Why do you want the death of Eden 0:00:50.521 --> 0:00:51.961 Westbrook investigated again? 0:00:52.721 --> 0:00:56.361 You know, I'm just not sure about the investigation. 0:00:56.401 --> 0:00:57.241 It's very worrying. 0:00:57.321 --> 0:00:59.561 I want to say. You know, the family has asked 0:00:59.601 --> 0:01:02.441 to have the autopsy photos released. We want to have 0:01:02.481 --> 0:01:05.161 that released. There are questions that have been unanswered. I 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.441 want to know why. You know, there was no phone 0:01:07.481 --> 0:01:10.200 records ever chased up, while there was no social media 0:01:10.241 --> 0:01:15.481 looked at. There are just unexplained questions and apparently you know, 0:01:15.601 --> 0:01:19.720 there are now new witness statements running around out there 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.321 for people that have listened to that podcast, and quite frankly, 0:01:23.521 --> 0:01:26.840 I believe there is enough. There is enough new facts 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.520 or evidence affecting the findings that have come to light 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.920 to open up a new investigation and have this relooked at. 0:01:33.241 --> 0:01:35.920 In saying that it will need to be independently done, 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.321 and it will need to be done. It will need 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.441 to be someone from the mainland that is doing this, 0:01:40.801 --> 0:01:43.080 because someone needs to have fresh eyes on this. If 0:01:43.081 --> 0:01:45.640 this was one of my kids, and I'm just sitting 0:01:45.681 --> 0:01:47.721 here going some of these questions haven't been answered. 0:01:47.721 --> 0:01:47.921 Why. 0:01:48.001 --> 0:01:50.921 It's just it's just not clean cut to me. It's 0:01:51.001 --> 0:01:54.161 not clean cut to me, and I'm just not satisfied, 0:01:54.761 --> 0:01:58.041 like the family is it that this is this was 0:01:58.081 --> 0:02:01.441 a straight source side. I just please mate, We're just 0:02:01.721 --> 0:02:04.921 asking for it to be reopened. I will apologize profuse 0:02:05.121 --> 0:02:09.641 if I'm wrong about this in the future, but quite frankly, 0:02:09.681 --> 0:02:12.121 I'm not going to sleep until I see this reopened 0:02:12.161 --> 0:02:13.521 and looked at fully. 0:02:18.881 --> 0:02:22.281 My name is Daniel Collis and I have worked in 0:02:22.321 --> 0:02:24.921 crime for more than five years and I've covered a 0:02:25.041 --> 0:02:28.721 range of stories from corporate scandals to your most notorious 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:33.241 crime cases. Like mister Kraule, and then I've also covered 0:02:33.401 --> 0:02:37.961 some recent crime stories like Greg Lynn, Samantha Murphy, and 0:02:38.081 --> 0:02:38.921 Aaron Patterson. 0:02:40.001 --> 0:02:42.321 You may have seen the Channel nine program that looked 0:02:42.321 --> 0:02:44.801 into Eden's death. We've put a link in the show 0:02:44.841 --> 0:02:47.321 notes if you haven't seen it yet. Daniel is an 0:02:47.361 --> 0:02:51.240 investigative reporter that played a significant role in helping investigate 0:02:51.281 --> 0:02:55.361 this case independently of this podcast. For that program. I 0:02:55.401 --> 0:02:58.120 wanted to know why Eden's case caught their attention. 0:02:58.721 --> 0:03:02.240 I was initially sent Eden Westbrook's case from a colleague, 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.961 and that's usually how I come across different stories is 0:03:05.081 --> 0:03:09.081 through contacts relationships that I've built all through family, word 0:03:09.081 --> 0:03:11.641 of mouth. And I remember reading this story on Eden 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:15.361 Westbrook and straightaway that innate curiosity popped up and it 0:03:15.481 --> 0:03:17.881 was like, this doesn't make sense. You know, a young 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.520 fifteen year old, beautiful, highly intelligent, loving. 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.481 And you could just see the expression on Eden's face. 0:03:24.561 --> 0:03:28.321 She was such a happy young woman, and. 0:03:28.321 --> 0:03:31.201 I just thought, it doesn't make sense, you know, why 0:03:31.281 --> 0:03:35.081 would she take her life? And in such a public location. 0:03:35.361 --> 0:03:38.121 I needed to know more because there wasn't enough context 0:03:38.161 --> 0:03:40.481 for me. I didn't know where she had been, what 0:03:40.601 --> 0:03:42.641 was going on in her life. I wanted to look 0:03:42.641 --> 0:03:45.641 at the six months prior. I wanted to know whether 0:03:45.761 --> 0:03:48.841 or not she had any mental health issues. I wanted 0:03:48.881 --> 0:03:50.481 to know what was going on in her life, who 0:03:50.521 --> 0:03:53.681 she had spoken to, where she was that night, and 0:03:53.881 --> 0:03:54.641 the article I. 0:03:54.561 --> 0:03:57.001 Had been sent didn't give me enough information. 0:03:57.121 --> 0:03:59.361 So I contacted her family and I set up I 0:03:59.361 --> 0:04:02.321 think initially it was a two hour zoom call that 0:04:02.361 --> 0:04:04.041 could have been longer. And you know, I speak to 0:04:04.121 --> 0:04:07.681 the family weekly, and during the investigation, I would speak 0:04:07.681 --> 0:04:10.921 to them sometimes two three times a week. And it's 0:04:11.041 --> 0:04:15.721 my job as an investigative journalist to really know everything 0:04:15.761 --> 0:04:18.880 about Eden Westbrook and her life and what was going 0:04:18.921 --> 0:04:19.880 on with her that night. 0:04:20.281 --> 0:04:22.441 It's a funny one because in many ways you kind 0:04:22.481 --> 0:04:24.001 of feel quite invasive. 0:04:24.401 --> 0:04:28.080 But this was something that the family had allowed for 0:04:28.121 --> 0:04:30.041 me to do so, and they had. 0:04:29.961 --> 0:04:32.921 Openly shared so much information. 0:04:32.681 --> 0:04:36.681 About Eden and that night with me in order to 0:04:36.761 --> 0:04:38.881 help me get to the bottom of what was going on. 0:04:39.361 --> 0:04:42.161 Tell me, what are some of those things that you 0:04:42.281 --> 0:04:46.801 first noticed that you thought had been missed in your 0:04:46.841 --> 0:04:50.161 experience as a journal that investigates these sorts of things. 0:04:50.361 --> 0:04:52.961 So when I first looked at Eden's case, I was 0:04:53.241 --> 0:04:58.681 baffled by how she even came to be like this. She's, 0:04:58.841 --> 0:05:01.801 you know, one hundred and fifty six centimeters forty five kilos. 0:05:02.081 --> 0:05:05.761 Now I know that I am ten cent taller. 0:05:05.521 --> 0:05:08.961 Than her, and I weigh a little bit more than her, 0:05:09.961 --> 0:05:12.520 and that would be such a challenge and feat And 0:05:12.561 --> 0:05:17.280 she was also carrying with her quite a heavy tool 0:05:17.561 --> 0:05:20.921 to conduct this, so that to me was also a standout. 0:05:20.961 --> 0:05:23.521 Where did this come from, how did she even get there? 0:05:23.521 --> 0:05:25.561 What route did she take? Who did she speak to 0:05:25.641 --> 0:05:28.080 that night? These are the questions that were coming into 0:05:28.081 --> 0:05:29.761 my mind that I wanted to find out. 0:05:30.041 --> 0:05:31.640 And as time went on. 0:05:31.561 --> 0:05:34.801 We realized that there were a few things that had missed, 0:05:35.081 --> 0:05:38.001 like key people hadn't been spoken to, and that's really 0:05:38.041 --> 0:05:42.681 important in a police investigation because those twenty four hours 0:05:42.761 --> 0:05:45.521 prior to their heath are important in understanding how that 0:05:45.561 --> 0:05:48.081 person came to die. So if they haven't spoken to 0:05:48.161 --> 0:05:52.201 a critical key witness, then why not and what did 0:05:52.201 --> 0:05:56.121 that witness see? So we now know, and we'll get 0:05:56.161 --> 0:06:00.400 into this soon that apparently the police did speak to 0:06:00.561 --> 0:06:03.041 a key witness, but the family have never had the 0:06:03.081 --> 0:06:07.280 opportunity to view that statement. So there's still question marks 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.401 around what happened that night. So there's just a few 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.760 things that caught my attention. As we went on, we 0:06:12.801 --> 0:06:14.761 discovered quite a bit more about Eden's case. 0:06:15.161 --> 0:06:17.320 What for you, what were some of the more challenging 0:06:17.401 --> 0:06:19.441 things about investigating a. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:19.960 Case like this. 0:06:20.161 --> 0:06:22.601 I think with every case it varies. Sometimes it might 0:06:22.641 --> 0:06:24.561 be time, sometimes it might be memory. 0:06:24.761 --> 0:06:26.841 So for instance, with mister Kruel, one of the hardest 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.640 things with that case is you're dealing with memories from 0:06:29.641 --> 0:06:32.921 thirty or forty years ago, and memories aren't always that 0:06:33.081 --> 0:06:37.561 factual with time because they do fade, so it's hard 0:06:37.601 --> 0:06:42.441 to rely on witness accounts or victim accounts in this situation. 0:06:43.041 --> 0:06:45.361 The hardest thing in the court was the cooperation with 0:06:45.401 --> 0:06:51.001 Tasmania Police and the Tasmania's Coroner's Court, because like any case, 0:06:51.041 --> 0:06:52.041 you have to help the. 0:06:52.001 --> 0:06:54.241 Family to retrieve the files. 0:06:54.481 --> 0:06:56.760 And I was actually really surprised when I spoke to 0:06:56.761 --> 0:07:01.681 Amanda Westbrook that she hadn't had any copies of the files. 0:07:01.721 --> 0:07:02.840 She hadn't received anything. 0:07:03.001 --> 0:07:05.241 She had seen them, but she hadn't received any and 0:07:05.281 --> 0:07:06.801 I thought that was really unusual because a lot of 0:07:06.841 --> 0:07:10.161 the families I had worked with previously have the opportunity 0:07:10.201 --> 0:07:13.121 to have copies of the files. So I said to Amanda, 0:07:13.201 --> 0:07:15.481 you know it is your right, you can apply for copies, 0:07:15.481 --> 0:07:17.161 and she didn't even know that was a thing. And 0:07:17.201 --> 0:07:20.001 this is a bigger broader issue here that you see 0:07:20.001 --> 0:07:21.881 across a lot of cases with families. 0:07:21.961 --> 0:07:24.921 They don't understand what their rights may be. So that 0:07:25.041 --> 0:07:25.801 was the next step. 0:07:25.961 --> 0:07:29.041 It took us nearly a year to get the files, 0:07:29.121 --> 0:07:31.841 and eventually when we did get the files, again, I 0:07:31.881 --> 0:07:35.201 can't go into too much surrounding what was in the files, 0:07:35.241 --> 0:07:38.481 but we were a little bit disappointed in what we received. 0:07:39.001 --> 0:07:44.041 And we now know that the autopsy photographs were not there, 0:07:44.201 --> 0:07:46.521 and the family are fighting. 0:07:46.161 --> 0:07:47.961 To get copies of those photographs. 0:07:48.041 --> 0:07:50.081 So that was one of the biggest challenges because without 0:07:50.121 --> 0:07:52.801 having access to all those files, how are we meant 0:07:52.841 --> 0:07:54.681 to conduct a thorough investigation. 0:07:55.161 --> 0:07:58.321 Why won't they release those autopsy photos to the family. 0:07:58.841 --> 0:08:01.961 Why won't they And that is the crucial question. What 0:08:02.041 --> 0:08:04.681 are you scared of if you can't release those photos? 0:08:08.161 --> 0:08:13.201 Is that unusual for in your experience, things like autopsy 0:08:13.201 --> 0:08:17.361 photos not to be included in a file that allegedly 0:08:17.521 --> 0:08:20.441 has all of the information that was given to the coroner. 0:08:20.801 --> 0:08:23.721 That's another really great question, and it really depends on 0:08:24.321 --> 0:08:26.881 the state, and it depends on the case. You know, 0:08:27.001 --> 0:08:28.921 is it open, is it closed, where's it at? Is 0:08:28.961 --> 0:08:32.561 it going through a coronial inquest? In this situation, it 0:08:32.641 --> 0:08:36.241 is quite unusual the family do have the right to 0:08:36.361 --> 0:08:39.241 have access to these files or to even view them. 0:08:39.601 --> 0:08:43.481 This is where doubt creeps in, and this is why 0:08:43.481 --> 0:08:47.121 there are so many unanswered questions. If the family had access, 0:08:47.201 --> 0:08:49.441 or if the family had the opportunity to have an 0:08:49.481 --> 0:08:52.761 inquest where the evidence can be presented and witnesses can 0:08:52.801 --> 0:08:56.521 be called examined and cross examined, then perhaps they wouldn't 0:08:56.601 --> 0:09:00.001 have all these unanswered questions and maybe they would have 0:09:00.081 --> 0:09:02.521 some closure. So, yes, I think it is quite unusual 0:09:02.521 --> 0:09:03.601 in this situation. 0:09:04.561 --> 0:09:08.801 So the autopsy photos we know from Jason and Amanda 0:09:09.361 --> 0:09:12.481 weren't included in the file that was delivered. Were there 0:09:12.561 --> 0:09:17.241 questions to the authorities around where those photos might be 0:09:17.441 --> 0:09:18.681 and did they give a response? 0:09:21.001 --> 0:09:24.961 Yes, there were certainly questions regarding the location of those 0:09:25.001 --> 0:09:29.481 autopsy photographs. We were met with a lot of hesitation, 0:09:29.721 --> 0:09:32.921 let's put it that way. They were very hesitant to 0:09:33.121 --> 0:09:40.841 cooperate and I was surprised by this. We had consulted 0:09:41.041 --> 0:09:45.881 doctor Byron Collins, who is a renowned forensic pathologist, to 0:09:45.961 --> 0:09:51.481 conduct an examination of Eden's autopsy. He could not do 0:09:51.601 --> 0:09:55.241 that without the autopsy photographs, which is extremely disappointing and 0:09:55.361 --> 0:09:59.481 upsetting for this family when doctor Collins was really their 0:09:59.601 --> 0:10:02.801 last hope because at the moment we don't have these photographs. 0:10:02.801 --> 0:10:04.321 We only have a report to go off. 0:10:04.321 --> 0:10:07.121 But if we had the photographs, perhaps he can review 0:10:07.641 --> 0:10:08.841 the original autopsy. 0:10:09.201 --> 0:10:12.881 You would have seen Jackie Lambee last weekend put a 0:10:13.001 --> 0:10:17.041 large ad in the Sunday Tasmanian, which is the local 0:10:17.201 --> 0:10:22.641 newspaper on Sunday. That ad basically asks two questions. The 0:10:22.641 --> 0:10:27.521 first is why count the family have a copy of 0:10:27.561 --> 0:10:30.641 the autopsy photos for their expert and in this case 0:10:30.681 --> 0:10:33.361 we're talking about doctor Byron Collins, who's been on the 0:10:33.401 --> 0:10:40.041 podcast previously. And the second question they have is do 0:10:40.081 --> 0:10:44.441 you think that Paul Reynolds, who was the pedofil cop 0:10:45.081 --> 0:10:48.641 who it has now been proven that was quite lax 0:10:48.721 --> 0:10:52.361 in his work over a number of years, whether he 0:10:52.481 --> 0:10:55.721 delivered all of the information that he needed to to 0:10:55.761 --> 0:10:59.921 the coroner. On those two grounds, you would think there 0:10:59.961 --> 0:11:03.921 are still more questions to be answered, leaving everything else aside. 0:11:04.481 --> 0:11:09.641 Oh, certainly, and I completely agree. The situation is the 0:11:09.681 --> 0:11:11.601 family aren't even saying that they want. 0:11:11.481 --> 0:11:13.041 To see the autopsy photographs. 0:11:14.161 --> 0:11:19.241 They are asking for an independent forensic pathologist who is 0:11:19.321 --> 0:11:22.961 highly qualified to view them on their behalf to make 0:11:23.041 --> 0:11:23.761 his assessment. 0:11:24.081 --> 0:11:26.441 So I don't understand the reasoning. 0:11:26.241 --> 0:11:30.081 Behind why they have not released the autopsy photographs because 0:11:30.081 --> 0:11:33.241 it has nothing to do with the psychological impact this 0:11:33.321 --> 0:11:35.361 could have on the family, because the family aren't. 0:11:35.121 --> 0:11:36.721 Requesting them for themselves. 0:11:37.681 --> 0:11:41.001 The second point she raised about Reynolds, when I first 0:11:41.041 --> 0:11:45.961 found out about Paul Reynolds, that does call into question 0:11:46.281 --> 0:11:51.081 because he was the officer at the coroner's court overseeing 0:11:51.201 --> 0:11:52.321 Eden Westbrook's case. 0:11:53.041 --> 0:11:53.881 It calls into. 0:11:53.721 --> 0:11:57.161 Question his integrity as a police officer and any of 0:11:57.201 --> 0:12:00.521 the cases that he has worked on should be reviewed. 0:12:01.521 --> 0:12:04.921 What is going on because it it does not make sense. 0:12:05.361 --> 0:12:08.841 There is too many questions that are unanswered, and quite frankly, 0:12:08.881 --> 0:12:11.001 I think puts Tasmania in a great spot to have 0:12:11.041 --> 0:12:14.041 the courage to say, you know what, maybe there is 0:12:14.081 --> 0:12:16.361 a problem here and to really have a look at this. 0:12:17.201 --> 0:12:19.681 When I hear stories like this, I just sit there 0:12:19.681 --> 0:12:20.041 and go. 0:12:20.681 --> 0:12:27.841 It doesn't surprise me because Australia's coronial system is so broken. 0:12:27.921 --> 0:12:31.281 There's been mistakes may belong along the way, so be here, 0:12:31.321 --> 0:12:34.681 but let's correct them now. I mean this Eden was 0:12:34.721 --> 0:12:38.241 twenty would have been twenty five years today, you know. 0:12:38.361 --> 0:12:40.761 I just we need to know. But leaving this, we're 0:12:40.801 --> 0:12:43.681 all sitting here wondering if there was any doubts whatsoever, 0:12:44.041 --> 0:12:46.361 and whether you're child committed suicide or not. You'd want 0:12:46.401 --> 0:12:48.481 to know the truth and we need to know the truth. 0:12:48.881 --> 0:12:49.721 Thank you so much. 0:12:50.001 --> 0:12:53.081 While all this is going on in Tasmania, Jason and 0:12:53.081 --> 0:12:55.681 Amanda reached out via a signal to me to talk 0:12:55.681 --> 0:12:58.761 about some hopeful news in their search for answers. 0:12:59.241 --> 0:13:05.881 Well, Jackie's been dynamic as per usual. She's put in 0:13:05.921 --> 0:13:08.721 another RTI, which that means three. 0:13:09.041 --> 0:13:11.921 Amanda is a mum. How does it feel to sit 0:13:12.481 --> 0:13:14.721 with someone like Jackie so who's also he mum? And 0:13:14.761 --> 0:13:18.681 she was really vocal about talking. If this was her child, 0:13:19.241 --> 0:13:21.481 she would not stop and she's not going to stop 0:13:21.601 --> 0:13:24.241 until she gets the answers she needs about Eden. How 0:13:24.281 --> 0:13:25.201 does that make you feel? 0:13:25.441 --> 0:13:27.601 I am not quietly confident anymore. 0:13:27.641 --> 0:13:28.681 I'm super confident. 0:13:30.161 --> 0:13:34.921 Jackie is very, very fierce. She walks the walk and 0:13:34.961 --> 0:13:38.081 talks to talk. She believes in what she stands for. 0:13:38.641 --> 0:13:43.761 She believes in a decent society. Her morals are very 0:13:43.881 --> 0:13:48.601 much aligned with mine, just about across the board. Yeah, Jackie, 0:13:48.601 --> 0:13:51.961 I'm just super proud, super proud to be sitting. 0:13:51.801 --> 0:13:54.961 Sid Jason and Amanda. You had to go to Hobart 0:13:55.041 --> 0:13:58.041 last week and you were going for a meeting that 0:13:58.081 --> 0:14:01.001 you've been waiting for for a long time. Tell me 0:14:01.041 --> 0:14:01.801 who you met with. 0:14:02.161 --> 0:14:05.681 God by it Mate in his office standing home, and 0:14:05.801 --> 0:14:08.481 his assistant, senior assistant Amber. 0:14:08.761 --> 0:14:12.481 So for those that are listening at home, Guy Barnett 0:14:12.721 --> 0:14:15.561 is the current Attorney General of Tasmania. 0:14:15.881 --> 0:14:19.121 A Guy gave Amanda a hug and he shook my hand, 0:14:19.321 --> 0:14:22.801 and Amber gave us both a hug and immediately said 0:14:22.841 --> 0:14:26.321 that they're deeply sorry for what's happened to our family 0:14:26.401 --> 0:14:29.681 and to our daughter, and they wanted us. They reassured 0:14:29.761 --> 0:14:32.921 us that they are here to listen and to go 0:14:33.001 --> 0:14:36.121 through it with us today and to see where what 0:14:36.161 --> 0:14:40.281 they can do to help. And I again, Jay felt 0:14:40.921 --> 0:14:43.241 he was sincere. I felt Amber was very I sat 0:14:43.281 --> 0:14:45.521 beside Amber and Guy sat at the head of the table. 0:14:45.561 --> 0:14:46.761 Amanda sat opposite me. 0:14:47.681 --> 0:14:50.161 The rest of the seats were empty, obviously, and. 0:14:50.241 --> 0:14:53.241 At different times Amanda was with Guy having a conversation 0:14:53.521 --> 0:14:56.201 and I was talking to Amber and I don't want 0:14:56.201 --> 0:14:58.401 to get too personal, Jay, but you could see there 0:14:58.441 --> 0:15:02.281 was an emotion in Guy that was sad, and Amber 0:15:02.721 --> 0:15:05.041 she was quite upset when she was talking to me 0:15:05.121 --> 0:15:08.161 about certain parts of what we've experienced as a family, 0:15:09.081 --> 0:15:10.601 especially when Eden was left. 0:15:10.641 --> 0:15:12.481 Why she was that attected her. 0:15:12.961 --> 0:15:16.321 There was a lot of respect in the room, thinking 0:15:17.601 --> 0:15:21.401 I as soon as Guy embraced me, I'm afraid. 0:15:21.241 --> 0:15:24.401 I was useless from that point. I was in tears 0:15:25.001 --> 0:15:28.681 and sobbing somewhat throughout it, and gathered myself for a 0:15:28.721 --> 0:15:32.721 short time. But Jason really delivered. We went in with 0:15:32.841 --> 0:15:37.001 some speaking points, and we went in with not only 0:15:37.001 --> 0:15:42.521 the problem, but a solution, a strategy that we emailed 0:15:42.641 --> 0:15:45.561 to Ambers straight away so she could peruse through that 0:15:45.641 --> 0:15:49.121 as we were having our meeting, and Jason just went 0:15:49.161 --> 0:15:50.561 through our speaking points of. 0:15:50.601 --> 0:15:51.721 The last nine years. 0:15:51.721 --> 0:15:55.481 We got halfway through, and as I said, there was 0:15:55.521 --> 0:15:56.721 a lot of respect in the room. 0:15:56.761 --> 0:15:57.761 There was empathy there. 0:15:59.121 --> 0:16:02.761 There was probably a little shock about what we were presenting, 0:16:03.641 --> 0:16:08.401 I almost felt like, yeah, this was definitely the first 0:16:08.921 --> 0:16:11.641 in some cases of what they'd heard and seen. 0:16:12.561 --> 0:16:13.281 I felt like. 0:16:14.841 --> 0:16:18.721 Guy was prepared to talk about not being able to 0:16:18.761 --> 0:16:23.201 help us get the inquest opened the same path as 0:16:23.201 --> 0:16:27.921 we traveled with they did with Jari, And when we 0:16:28.001 --> 0:16:31.761 first started speaking, we thanked them for their time and 0:16:31.801 --> 0:16:34.081 then we said, we also understand that you can't help 0:16:34.161 --> 0:16:37.401 us with that. So I was just so upset when 0:16:37.481 --> 0:16:42.921 some people's names were mentioned throughout the speaking points, and 0:16:44.441 --> 0:16:47.481 everything for me has been right on the surface in 0:16:47.601 --> 0:16:53.401 terms of I'm feeling a little upset, as I said 0:16:53.481 --> 0:16:57.081 last time I spoke to you, and yeah, the lead 0:16:57.161 --> 0:17:01.401 up to Edie's birthday, the birthday and the after her 0:17:01.401 --> 0:17:04.561 birthday has been a different experience this time around for me, 0:17:05.801 --> 0:17:08.481 I've got to say. And I feel like it's almost 0:17:08.681 --> 0:17:14.001 that the support is so strong and the people are 0:17:14.761 --> 0:17:18.161 truly genuine and it's not just their words. When I'm 0:17:18.201 --> 0:17:21.720 talking about people like Jackie Lamby and the Torpedo and 0:17:21.761 --> 0:17:26.840 the Golden Thread, they've proven that they're in this for 0:17:26.921 --> 0:17:29.761 truth and justice and sincerely truth and justice. And as 0:17:29.801 --> 0:17:32.801 I said, Jackie's been in the picture for since twenty 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:38.240 seventeen under the radar, not getting any publicity throughout that 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.681 time from me, and now she's put it out there 0:17:42.120 --> 0:17:45.400 in full swim that she's one hundred percent behind this 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.960 and has no intention in the backing down until we 0:17:48.001 --> 0:17:51.241 get solid answers and some. 0:17:53.241 --> 0:17:54.321 Real results. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.880 Just for clarity that mister Barnett, Guy Barnett, as the 0:17:57.921 --> 0:18:00.880 Attorney General can't do what he did or what was 0:18:00.921 --> 0:18:03.561 done by the Attorney General a lase archer at the 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:08.840 time in the Weiss's case. He can't instruct the coroner 0:18:09.721 --> 0:18:14.880 to investigate Eden's death because the case is closed and 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.440 the legislation doesn't allow for that to happen. As the 0:18:18.481 --> 0:18:19.321 attorney General. 0:18:19.721 --> 0:18:22.840 Well, that's what we know is fact. So we didn't 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.001 want to go down that path with him to get 0:18:25.041 --> 0:18:27.281 a know and waste the time that we may have 0:18:27.360 --> 0:18:31.360 had with a meeting to share some of the content 0:18:31.441 --> 0:18:35.241 of our correspondence back and forth. And he was quite 0:18:35.321 --> 0:18:39.441 shocked at what was written to us some very high 0:18:39.521 --> 0:18:43.041 up people and really disappointed the. 0:18:43.201 --> 0:18:47.080 Questions that we wanted to speak to Guy about. I 0:18:47.241 --> 0:18:49.600 just was fortunate enough to have him in front of me, 0:18:49.681 --> 0:18:52.680 Jay and I was able to go through each bullet point, 0:18:52.801 --> 0:18:57.521 and as I did, I was asking Guy and Amber 0:18:57.521 --> 0:19:00.081 if there's any questions they needed to me to clarify 0:19:00.201 --> 0:19:04.001 on those bullet points or go into detail. Unfortunately, with 0:19:04.120 --> 0:19:08.321 Guy Jay, he only had one hour and I, as 0:19:08.360 --> 0:19:11.200 you know, I can talk pretty quick, mate, and I 0:19:11.201 --> 0:19:15.001 only got halfway through what we needed to discuss in 0:19:15.041 --> 0:19:19.521 that meeting. Guy explained and apologized he had to go 0:19:19.561 --> 0:19:22.041 to another meeting, and I could see on his rostered 0:19:22.041 --> 0:19:25.880 board he was in four meetings that day and he apologized. 0:19:25.921 --> 0:19:28.281 He said this, in no way this meeting is over. 0:19:29.521 --> 0:19:33.561 He said that whether it's another face to face sit 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.601 down meeting with us, or whether this is a a correspondence, 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.240 continual correspondence, we're going to get to the bottom of this, 0:19:41.321 --> 0:19:43.041 and we're going to be working with you guys to 0:19:43.761 --> 0:19:46.960 We need some correspondence from you guys, and we'll be 0:19:47.001 --> 0:19:49.880 in touch. And as we walked out at his office, 0:19:50.041 --> 0:19:53.281 there was probably twelve people waiting. 0:19:53.321 --> 0:19:59.440 For him to his wife and family. Yeah, and the 0:19:59.521 --> 0:20:02.120 wall to storm the way down and then you know, 0:20:02.241 --> 0:20:02.961 make sure. 0:20:02.761 --> 0:20:07.441 That we were assured that this very much the beginning 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:12.640 of what we're embarking on for with Guy. 0:20:12.801 --> 0:20:16.481 So yeah, look he's asked for specific documentation. He asked 0:20:16.521 --> 0:20:19.401 us specific questions on a couple of subjects which. 0:20:19.241 --> 0:20:23.561 He was concerned with. Yeah, I'm happy to talk to 0:20:23.561 --> 0:20:26.041 you Jay about this off air because I just don't. 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:30.521 Feel it's something I want to Yeah, and he would. 0:20:30.281 --> 0:20:33.561 Like to see what we have, and I've actually. 0:20:34.001 --> 0:20:36.561 We also reached out to Guy Barnett's office to see 0:20:36.561 --> 0:20:39.120 if he'd be willing to give an update on the podcast. 0:20:39.561 --> 0:20:42.440 It may be a little early for that, but we 0:20:42.481 --> 0:20:45.321 thought we'd try anyway. We're hoping to get a response 0:20:45.521 --> 0:20:49.361 next time on our Little LEADYE Don't Forget. You can 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:53.241 sign the petition for an Independent Inquiry into Eden's death 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.041 at change dot org. We've put the link in the 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.121 show notes, and if you'd like, you can also join 0:21:00.241 --> 0:21:03.761 us for a special live recording of the podcast. Numbers 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.921 are really limited and we're almost full, so if you'd 0:21:06.921 --> 0:21:09.241 like to join the waiting list, that link is also 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:10.200 in the show notes.