1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: APPOJA production. 2 00:00:12,201 --> 00:00:14,521 Speaker 2: Okay, this is one of those stories that it's important 3 00:00:14,561 --> 00:00:16,281 Speaker 2: to talk about, but we know he's going to be 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,801 Speaker 2: really challenging for many of you to listen to, So 5 00:00:19,001 --> 00:00:21,241 Speaker 2: just a warning. We're talking about suicide over the next 6 00:00:21,281 --> 00:00:24,841 Speaker 2: ten minutes. It's the story of Eden Westbrook, fifteen years old, 7 00:00:25,001 --> 00:00:27,841 Speaker 2: who took her own life according to investigations that were 8 00:00:27,841 --> 00:00:30,321 Speaker 2: conducted by police and the coroner. 9 00:00:32,561 --> 00:00:36,201 Speaker 3: That's Leon Compton. He hosts the morning show across Tasmania 10 00:00:36,521 --> 00:00:40,441 Speaker 3: on ABC Radio and last week he had Tasmanian Senator 11 00:00:40,521 --> 00:00:44,601 Speaker 3: Jackie Lamby on his show talking about Eden Westbrook. 12 00:00:45,081 --> 00:00:47,321 Speaker 2: Goat thoughts with Eden's family who might be listening in 13 00:00:47,361 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: this morning, Why do you want the death of Eden 14 00:00:50,521 --> 00:00:51,961 Speaker 2: Westbrook investigated again? 15 00:00:52,721 --> 00:00:56,361 Speaker 4: You know, I'm just not sure about the investigation. 16 00:00:56,401 --> 00:00:57,241 Speaker 5: It's very worrying. 17 00:00:57,321 --> 00:00:59,561 Speaker 4: I want to say. You know, the family has asked 18 00:00:59,601 --> 00:01:02,441 Speaker 4: to have the autopsy photos released. We want to have 19 00:01:02,481 --> 00:01:05,161 Speaker 4: that released. There are questions that have been unanswered. I 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,441 Speaker 4: want to know why. You know, there was no phone 21 00:01:07,481 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 4: records ever chased up, while there was no social media 22 00:01:10,241 --> 00:01:15,481 Speaker 4: looked at. There are just unexplained questions and apparently you know, 23 00:01:15,601 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 4: there are now new witness statements running around out there 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,321 Speaker 4: for people that have listened to that podcast, and quite frankly, 25 00:01:23,521 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 4: I believe there is enough. There is enough new facts 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 4: or evidence affecting the findings that have come to light 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 4: to open up a new investigation and have this relooked at. 28 00:01:33,241 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: In saying that it will need to be independently done, 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,321 Speaker 4: and it will need to be done. It will need 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,441 Speaker 4: to be someone from the mainland that is doing this, 31 00:01:40,801 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 4: because someone needs to have fresh eyes on this. If 32 00:01:43,081 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 4: this was one of my kids, and I'm just sitting 33 00:01:45,681 --> 00:01:47,721 Speaker 4: here going some of these questions haven't been answered. 34 00:01:47,721 --> 00:01:47,921 Speaker 1: Why. 35 00:01:48,001 --> 00:01:50,921 Speaker 4: It's just it's just not clean cut to me. It's 36 00:01:51,001 --> 00:01:54,161 Speaker 4: not clean cut to me, and I'm just not satisfied, 37 00:01:54,761 --> 00:01:58,041 Speaker 4: like the family is it that this is this was 38 00:01:58,081 --> 00:02:01,441 Speaker 4: a straight source side. I just please mate, We're just 39 00:02:01,721 --> 00:02:04,921 Speaker 4: asking for it to be reopened. I will apologize profuse 40 00:02:05,121 --> 00:02:09,641 Speaker 4: if I'm wrong about this in the future, but quite frankly, 41 00:02:09,681 --> 00:02:12,121 Speaker 4: I'm not going to sleep until I see this reopened 42 00:02:12,161 --> 00:02:13,521 Speaker 4: and looked at fully. 43 00:02:18,881 --> 00:02:22,281 Speaker 6: My name is Daniel Collis and I have worked in 44 00:02:22,321 --> 00:02:24,921 Speaker 6: crime for more than five years and I've covered a 45 00:02:25,041 --> 00:02:28,721 Speaker 6: range of stories from corporate scandals to your most notorious 46 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,241 Speaker 6: crime cases. Like mister Kraule, and then I've also covered 47 00:02:33,401 --> 00:02:37,961 Speaker 6: some recent crime stories like Greg Lynn, Samantha Murphy, and 48 00:02:38,081 --> 00:02:38,921 Speaker 6: Aaron Patterson. 49 00:02:40,001 --> 00:02:42,321 Speaker 3: You may have seen the Channel nine program that looked 50 00:02:42,321 --> 00:02:44,801 Speaker 3: into Eden's death. We've put a link in the show 51 00:02:44,841 --> 00:02:47,321 Speaker 3: notes if you haven't seen it yet. Daniel is an 52 00:02:47,361 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: investigative reporter that played a significant role in helping investigate 53 00:02:51,281 --> 00:02:55,361 Speaker 3: this case independently of this podcast. For that program. I 54 00:02:55,401 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: wanted to know why Eden's case caught their attention. 55 00:02:58,721 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 6: I was initially sent Eden Westbrook's case from a colleague, 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,961 Speaker 6: and that's usually how I come across different stories is 57 00:03:05,081 --> 00:03:09,081 Speaker 6: through contacts relationships that I've built all through family, word 58 00:03:09,081 --> 00:03:11,641 Speaker 6: of mouth. And I remember reading this story on Eden 59 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,361 Speaker 6: Westbrook and straightaway that innate curiosity popped up and it 60 00:03:15,481 --> 00:03:17,881 Speaker 6: was like, this doesn't make sense. You know, a young 61 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 6: fifteen year old, beautiful, highly intelligent, loving. 62 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,481 Speaker 1: And you could just see the expression on Eden's face. 63 00:03:24,561 --> 00:03:28,321 Speaker 1: She was such a happy young woman, and. 64 00:03:28,321 --> 00:03:31,201 Speaker 6: I just thought, it doesn't make sense, you know, why 65 00:03:31,281 --> 00:03:35,081 Speaker 6: would she take her life? And in such a public location. 66 00:03:35,361 --> 00:03:38,121 Speaker 6: I needed to know more because there wasn't enough context 67 00:03:38,161 --> 00:03:40,481 Speaker 6: for me. I didn't know where she had been, what 68 00:03:40,601 --> 00:03:42,641 Speaker 6: was going on in her life. I wanted to look 69 00:03:42,641 --> 00:03:45,641 Speaker 6: at the six months prior. I wanted to know whether 70 00:03:45,761 --> 00:03:48,841 Speaker 6: or not she had any mental health issues. I wanted 71 00:03:48,881 --> 00:03:50,481 Speaker 6: to know what was going on in her life, who 72 00:03:50,521 --> 00:03:53,681 Speaker 6: she had spoken to, where she was that night, and 73 00:03:53,881 --> 00:03:54,641 Speaker 6: the article I. 74 00:03:54,561 --> 00:03:57,001 Speaker 1: Had been sent didn't give me enough information. 75 00:03:57,121 --> 00:03:59,361 Speaker 6: So I contacted her family and I set up I 76 00:03:59,361 --> 00:04:02,321 Speaker 6: think initially it was a two hour zoom call that 77 00:04:02,361 --> 00:04:04,041 Speaker 6: could have been longer. And you know, I speak to 78 00:04:04,121 --> 00:04:07,681 Speaker 6: the family weekly, and during the investigation, I would speak 79 00:04:07,681 --> 00:04:10,921 Speaker 6: to them sometimes two three times a week. And it's 80 00:04:11,041 --> 00:04:15,721 Speaker 6: my job as an investigative journalist to really know everything 81 00:04:15,761 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 6: about Eden Westbrook and her life and what was going 82 00:04:18,921 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 6: on with her that night. 83 00:04:20,281 --> 00:04:22,441 Speaker 1: It's a funny one because in many ways you kind 84 00:04:22,481 --> 00:04:24,001 Speaker 1: of feel quite invasive. 85 00:04:24,401 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 6: But this was something that the family had allowed for 86 00:04:28,121 --> 00:04:30,041 Speaker 6: me to do so, and they had. 87 00:04:29,961 --> 00:04:32,921 Speaker 1: Openly shared so much information. 88 00:04:32,681 --> 00:04:36,681 Speaker 6: About Eden and that night with me in order to 89 00:04:36,761 --> 00:04:38,881 Speaker 6: help me get to the bottom of what was going on. 90 00:04:39,361 --> 00:04:42,161 Speaker 3: Tell me, what are some of those things that you 91 00:04:42,281 --> 00:04:46,801 Speaker 3: first noticed that you thought had been missed in your 92 00:04:46,841 --> 00:04:50,161 Speaker 3: experience as a journal that investigates these sorts of things. 93 00:04:50,361 --> 00:04:52,961 Speaker 6: So when I first looked at Eden's case, I was 94 00:04:53,241 --> 00:04:58,681 Speaker 6: baffled by how she even came to be like this. She's, 95 00:04:58,841 --> 00:05:01,801 Speaker 6: you know, one hundred and fifty six centimeters forty five kilos. 96 00:05:02,081 --> 00:05:05,761 Speaker 1: Now I know that I am ten cent taller. 97 00:05:05,521 --> 00:05:08,961 Speaker 6: Than her, and I weigh a little bit more than her, 98 00:05:09,961 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 6: and that would be such a challenge and feat And 99 00:05:12,561 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 6: she was also carrying with her quite a heavy tool 100 00:05:17,561 --> 00:05:20,921 Speaker 6: to conduct this, so that to me was also a standout. 101 00:05:20,961 --> 00:05:23,521 Speaker 6: Where did this come from, how did she even get there? 102 00:05:23,521 --> 00:05:25,561 Speaker 6: What route did she take? Who did she speak to 103 00:05:25,641 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 6: that night? These are the questions that were coming into 104 00:05:28,081 --> 00:05:29,761 Speaker 6: my mind that I wanted to find out. 105 00:05:30,041 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: And as time went on. 106 00:05:31,561 --> 00:05:34,801 Speaker 6: We realized that there were a few things that had missed, 107 00:05:35,081 --> 00:05:38,001 Speaker 6: like key people hadn't been spoken to, and that's really 108 00:05:38,041 --> 00:05:42,681 Speaker 6: important in a police investigation because those twenty four hours 109 00:05:42,761 --> 00:05:45,521 Speaker 6: prior to their heath are important in understanding how that 110 00:05:45,561 --> 00:05:48,081 Speaker 6: person came to die. So if they haven't spoken to 111 00:05:48,161 --> 00:05:52,201 Speaker 6: a critical key witness, then why not and what did 112 00:05:52,201 --> 00:05:56,121 Speaker 6: that witness see? So we now know, and we'll get 113 00:05:56,161 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 6: into this soon that apparently the police did speak to 114 00:06:00,561 --> 00:06:03,041 Speaker 6: a key witness, but the family have never had the 115 00:06:03,081 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 6: opportunity to view that statement. So there's still question marks 116 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,401 Speaker 6: around what happened that night. So there's just a few 117 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 6: things that caught my attention. As we went on, we 118 00:06:12,801 --> 00:06:14,761 Speaker 6: discovered quite a bit more about Eden's case. 119 00:06:15,161 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: What for you, what were some of the more challenging 120 00:06:17,401 --> 00:06:19,441 Speaker 3: things about investigating a. 121 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 7: Case like this. 122 00:06:20,161 --> 00:06:22,601 Speaker 1: I think with every case it varies. Sometimes it might 123 00:06:22,641 --> 00:06:24,561 Speaker 1: be time, sometimes it might be memory. 124 00:06:24,761 --> 00:06:26,841 Speaker 6: So for instance, with mister Kruel, one of the hardest 125 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 6: things with that case is you're dealing with memories from 126 00:06:29,641 --> 00:06:32,921 Speaker 6: thirty or forty years ago, and memories aren't always that 127 00:06:33,081 --> 00:06:37,561 Speaker 6: factual with time because they do fade, so it's hard 128 00:06:37,601 --> 00:06:42,441 Speaker 6: to rely on witness accounts or victim accounts in this situation. 129 00:06:43,041 --> 00:06:45,361 Speaker 6: The hardest thing in the court was the cooperation with 130 00:06:45,401 --> 00:06:51,001 Speaker 6: Tasmania Police and the Tasmania's Coroner's Court, because like any case, 131 00:06:51,041 --> 00:06:52,041 Speaker 6: you have to help the. 132 00:06:52,001 --> 00:06:54,241 Speaker 1: Family to retrieve the files. 133 00:06:54,481 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 6: And I was actually really surprised when I spoke to 134 00:06:56,761 --> 00:07:01,681 Speaker 6: Amanda Westbrook that she hadn't had any copies of the files. 135 00:07:01,721 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: She hadn't received anything. 136 00:07:03,001 --> 00:07:05,241 Speaker 6: She had seen them, but she hadn't received any and 137 00:07:05,281 --> 00:07:06,801 Speaker 6: I thought that was really unusual because a lot of 138 00:07:06,841 --> 00:07:10,161 Speaker 6: the families I had worked with previously have the opportunity 139 00:07:10,201 --> 00:07:13,121 Speaker 6: to have copies of the files. So I said to Amanda, 140 00:07:13,201 --> 00:07:15,481 Speaker 6: you know it is your right, you can apply for copies, 141 00:07:15,481 --> 00:07:17,161 Speaker 6: and she didn't even know that was a thing. And 142 00:07:17,201 --> 00:07:20,001 Speaker 6: this is a bigger broader issue here that you see 143 00:07:20,001 --> 00:07:21,881 Speaker 6: across a lot of cases with families. 144 00:07:21,961 --> 00:07:24,921 Speaker 1: They don't understand what their rights may be. So that 145 00:07:25,041 --> 00:07:25,801 Speaker 1: was the next step. 146 00:07:25,961 --> 00:07:29,041 Speaker 6: It took us nearly a year to get the files, 147 00:07:29,121 --> 00:07:31,841 Speaker 6: and eventually when we did get the files, again, I 148 00:07:31,881 --> 00:07:35,201 Speaker 6: can't go into too much surrounding what was in the files, 149 00:07:35,241 --> 00:07:38,481 Speaker 6: but we were a little bit disappointed in what we received. 150 00:07:39,001 --> 00:07:44,041 Speaker 6: And we now know that the autopsy photographs were not there, 151 00:07:44,201 --> 00:07:46,521 Speaker 6: and the family are fighting. 152 00:07:46,161 --> 00:07:47,961 Speaker 1: To get copies of those photographs. 153 00:07:48,041 --> 00:07:50,081 Speaker 6: So that was one of the biggest challenges because without 154 00:07:50,121 --> 00:07:52,801 Speaker 6: having access to all those files, how are we meant 155 00:07:52,841 --> 00:07:54,681 Speaker 6: to conduct a thorough investigation. 156 00:07:55,161 --> 00:07:58,321 Speaker 4: Why won't they release those autopsy photos to the family. 157 00:07:58,841 --> 00:08:01,961 Speaker 4: Why won't they And that is the crucial question. What 158 00:08:02,041 --> 00:08:04,681 Speaker 4: are you scared of if you can't release those photos? 159 00:08:08,161 --> 00:08:13,201 Speaker 3: Is that unusual for in your experience, things like autopsy 160 00:08:13,201 --> 00:08:17,361 Speaker 3: photos not to be included in a file that allegedly 161 00:08:17,521 --> 00:08:20,441 Speaker 3: has all of the information that was given to the coroner. 162 00:08:20,801 --> 00:08:23,721 Speaker 6: That's another really great question, and it really depends on 163 00:08:24,321 --> 00:08:26,881 Speaker 6: the state, and it depends on the case. You know, 164 00:08:27,001 --> 00:08:28,921 Speaker 6: is it open, is it closed, where's it at? Is 165 00:08:28,961 --> 00:08:32,561 Speaker 6: it going through a coronial inquest? In this situation, it 166 00:08:32,641 --> 00:08:36,241 Speaker 6: is quite unusual the family do have the right to 167 00:08:36,361 --> 00:08:39,241 Speaker 6: have access to these files or to even view them. 168 00:08:39,601 --> 00:08:43,481 Speaker 6: This is where doubt creeps in, and this is why 169 00:08:43,481 --> 00:08:47,121 Speaker 6: there are so many unanswered questions. If the family had access, 170 00:08:47,201 --> 00:08:49,441 Speaker 6: or if the family had the opportunity to have an 171 00:08:49,481 --> 00:08:52,761 Speaker 6: inquest where the evidence can be presented and witnesses can 172 00:08:52,801 --> 00:08:56,521 Speaker 6: be called examined and cross examined, then perhaps they wouldn't 173 00:08:56,601 --> 00:09:00,001 Speaker 6: have all these unanswered questions and maybe they would have 174 00:09:00,081 --> 00:09:02,521 Speaker 6: some closure. So, yes, I think it is quite unusual 175 00:09:02,521 --> 00:09:03,601 Speaker 6: in this situation. 176 00:09:04,561 --> 00:09:08,801 Speaker 3: So the autopsy photos we know from Jason and Amanda 177 00:09:09,361 --> 00:09:12,481 Speaker 3: weren't included in the file that was delivered. Were there 178 00:09:12,561 --> 00:09:17,241 Speaker 3: questions to the authorities around where those photos might be 179 00:09:17,441 --> 00:09:18,681 Speaker 3: and did they give a response? 180 00:09:21,001 --> 00:09:24,961 Speaker 6: Yes, there were certainly questions regarding the location of those 181 00:09:25,001 --> 00:09:29,481 Speaker 6: autopsy photographs. We were met with a lot of hesitation, 182 00:09:29,721 --> 00:09:32,921 Speaker 6: let's put it that way. They were very hesitant to 183 00:09:33,121 --> 00:09:40,841 Speaker 6: cooperate and I was surprised by this. We had consulted 184 00:09:41,041 --> 00:09:45,881 Speaker 6: doctor Byron Collins, who is a renowned forensic pathologist, to 185 00:09:45,961 --> 00:09:51,481 Speaker 6: conduct an examination of Eden's autopsy. He could not do 186 00:09:51,601 --> 00:09:55,241 Speaker 6: that without the autopsy photographs, which is extremely disappointing and 187 00:09:55,361 --> 00:09:59,481 Speaker 6: upsetting for this family when doctor Collins was really their 188 00:09:59,601 --> 00:10:02,801 Speaker 6: last hope because at the moment we don't have these photographs. 189 00:10:02,801 --> 00:10:04,321 Speaker 1: We only have a report to go off. 190 00:10:04,321 --> 00:10:07,121 Speaker 6: But if we had the photographs, perhaps he can review 191 00:10:07,641 --> 00:10:08,841 Speaker 6: the original autopsy. 192 00:10:09,201 --> 00:10:12,881 Speaker 3: You would have seen Jackie Lambee last weekend put a 193 00:10:13,001 --> 00:10:17,041 Speaker 3: large ad in the Sunday Tasmanian, which is the local 194 00:10:17,201 --> 00:10:22,641 Speaker 3: newspaper on Sunday. That ad basically asks two questions. The 195 00:10:22,641 --> 00:10:27,521 Speaker 3: first is why count the family have a copy of 196 00:10:27,561 --> 00:10:30,641 Speaker 3: the autopsy photos for their expert and in this case 197 00:10:30,681 --> 00:10:33,361 Speaker 3: we're talking about doctor Byron Collins, who's been on the 198 00:10:33,401 --> 00:10:40,041 Speaker 3: podcast previously. And the second question they have is do 199 00:10:40,081 --> 00:10:44,441 Speaker 3: you think that Paul Reynolds, who was the pedofil cop 200 00:10:45,081 --> 00:10:48,641 Speaker 3: who it has now been proven that was quite lax 201 00:10:48,721 --> 00:10:52,361 Speaker 3: in his work over a number of years, whether he 202 00:10:52,481 --> 00:10:55,721 Speaker 3: delivered all of the information that he needed to to 203 00:10:55,761 --> 00:10:59,921 Speaker 3: the coroner. On those two grounds, you would think there 204 00:10:59,961 --> 00:11:03,921 Speaker 3: are still more questions to be answered, leaving everything else aside. 205 00:11:04,481 --> 00:11:09,641 Speaker 6: Oh, certainly, and I completely agree. The situation is the 206 00:11:09,681 --> 00:11:11,601 Speaker 6: family aren't even saying that they want. 207 00:11:11,481 --> 00:11:13,041 Speaker 1: To see the autopsy photographs. 208 00:11:14,161 --> 00:11:19,241 Speaker 6: They are asking for an independent forensic pathologist who is 209 00:11:19,321 --> 00:11:22,961 Speaker 6: highly qualified to view them on their behalf to make 210 00:11:23,041 --> 00:11:23,761 Speaker 6: his assessment. 211 00:11:24,081 --> 00:11:26,441 Speaker 1: So I don't understand the reasoning. 212 00:11:26,241 --> 00:11:30,081 Speaker 6: Behind why they have not released the autopsy photographs because 213 00:11:30,081 --> 00:11:33,241 Speaker 6: it has nothing to do with the psychological impact this 214 00:11:33,321 --> 00:11:35,361 Speaker 6: could have on the family, because the family aren't. 215 00:11:35,121 --> 00:11:36,721 Speaker 1: Requesting them for themselves. 216 00:11:37,681 --> 00:11:41,001 Speaker 6: The second point she raised about Reynolds, when I first 217 00:11:41,041 --> 00:11:45,961 Speaker 6: found out about Paul Reynolds, that does call into question 218 00:11:46,281 --> 00:11:51,081 Speaker 6: because he was the officer at the coroner's court overseeing 219 00:11:51,201 --> 00:11:52,321 Speaker 6: Eden Westbrook's case. 220 00:11:53,041 --> 00:11:53,881 Speaker 1: It calls into. 221 00:11:53,721 --> 00:11:57,161 Speaker 6: Question his integrity as a police officer and any of 222 00:11:57,201 --> 00:12:00,521 Speaker 6: the cases that he has worked on should be reviewed. 223 00:12:01,521 --> 00:12:04,921 Speaker 4: What is going on because it it does not make sense. 224 00:12:05,361 --> 00:12:08,841 Speaker 4: There is too many questions that are unanswered, and quite frankly, 225 00:12:08,881 --> 00:12:11,001 Speaker 4: I think puts Tasmania in a great spot to have 226 00:12:11,041 --> 00:12:14,041 Speaker 4: the courage to say, you know what, maybe there is 227 00:12:14,081 --> 00:12:16,361 Speaker 4: a problem here and to really have a look at this. 228 00:12:17,201 --> 00:12:19,681 Speaker 1: When I hear stories like this, I just sit there 229 00:12:19,681 --> 00:12:20,041 Speaker 1: and go. 230 00:12:20,681 --> 00:12:27,841 Speaker 6: It doesn't surprise me because Australia's coronial system is so broken. 231 00:12:27,921 --> 00:12:31,281 Speaker 4: There's been mistakes may belong along the way, so be here, 232 00:12:31,321 --> 00:12:34,681 Speaker 4: but let's correct them now. I mean this Eden was 233 00:12:34,721 --> 00:12:38,241 Speaker 4: twenty would have been twenty five years today, you know. 234 00:12:38,361 --> 00:12:40,761 Speaker 4: I just we need to know. But leaving this, we're 235 00:12:40,801 --> 00:12:43,681 Speaker 4: all sitting here wondering if there was any doubts whatsoever, 236 00:12:44,041 --> 00:12:46,361 Speaker 4: and whether you're child committed suicide or not. You'd want 237 00:12:46,401 --> 00:12:48,481 Speaker 4: to know the truth and we need to know the truth. 238 00:12:48,881 --> 00:12:49,721 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 239 00:12:50,001 --> 00:12:53,081 Speaker 3: While all this is going on in Tasmania, Jason and 240 00:12:53,081 --> 00:12:55,681 Speaker 3: Amanda reached out via a signal to me to talk 241 00:12:55,681 --> 00:12:58,761 Speaker 3: about some hopeful news in their search for answers. 242 00:12:59,241 --> 00:13:05,881 Speaker 5: Well, Jackie's been dynamic as per usual. She's put in 243 00:13:05,921 --> 00:13:08,721 Speaker 5: another RTI, which that means three. 244 00:13:09,041 --> 00:13:11,921 Speaker 3: Amanda is a mum. How does it feel to sit 245 00:13:12,481 --> 00:13:14,721 Speaker 3: with someone like Jackie so who's also he mum? And 246 00:13:14,761 --> 00:13:18,681 Speaker 3: she was really vocal about talking. If this was her child, 247 00:13:19,241 --> 00:13:21,481 Speaker 3: she would not stop and she's not going to stop 248 00:13:21,601 --> 00:13:24,241 Speaker 3: until she gets the answers she needs about Eden. How 249 00:13:24,281 --> 00:13:25,201 Speaker 3: does that make you feel? 250 00:13:25,441 --> 00:13:27,601 Speaker 5: I am not quietly confident anymore. 251 00:13:27,641 --> 00:13:28,681 Speaker 8: I'm super confident. 252 00:13:30,161 --> 00:13:34,921 Speaker 5: Jackie is very, very fierce. She walks the walk and 253 00:13:34,961 --> 00:13:38,081 Speaker 5: talks to talk. She believes in what she stands for. 254 00:13:38,641 --> 00:13:43,761 Speaker 5: She believes in a decent society. Her morals are very 255 00:13:43,881 --> 00:13:48,601 Speaker 5: much aligned with mine, just about across the board. Yeah, Jackie, 256 00:13:48,601 --> 00:13:51,961 Speaker 5: I'm just super proud, super proud to be sitting. 257 00:13:51,801 --> 00:13:54,961 Speaker 3: Sid Jason and Amanda. You had to go to Hobart 258 00:13:55,041 --> 00:13:58,041 Speaker 3: last week and you were going for a meeting that 259 00:13:58,081 --> 00:14:01,001 Speaker 3: you've been waiting for for a long time. Tell me 260 00:14:01,041 --> 00:14:01,801 Speaker 3: who you met with. 261 00:14:02,161 --> 00:14:05,681 Speaker 7: God by it Mate in his office standing home, and 262 00:14:05,801 --> 00:14:08,481 Speaker 7: his assistant, senior assistant Amber. 263 00:14:08,761 --> 00:14:12,481 Speaker 3: So for those that are listening at home, Guy Barnett 264 00:14:12,721 --> 00:14:15,561 Speaker 3: is the current Attorney General of Tasmania. 265 00:14:15,881 --> 00:14:19,121 Speaker 9: A Guy gave Amanda a hug and he shook my hand, 266 00:14:19,321 --> 00:14:22,801 Speaker 9: and Amber gave us both a hug and immediately said 267 00:14:22,841 --> 00:14:26,321 Speaker 9: that they're deeply sorry for what's happened to our family 268 00:14:26,401 --> 00:14:29,681 Speaker 9: and to our daughter, and they wanted us. They reassured 269 00:14:29,761 --> 00:14:32,921 Speaker 9: us that they are here to listen and to go 270 00:14:33,001 --> 00:14:36,121 Speaker 9: through it with us today and to see where what 271 00:14:36,161 --> 00:14:40,281 Speaker 9: they can do to help. And I again, Jay felt 272 00:14:40,921 --> 00:14:43,241 Speaker 9: he was sincere. I felt Amber was very I sat 273 00:14:43,281 --> 00:14:45,521 Speaker 9: beside Amber and Guy sat at the head of the table. 274 00:14:45,561 --> 00:14:46,761 Speaker 9: Amanda sat opposite me. 275 00:14:47,681 --> 00:14:50,161 Speaker 7: The rest of the seats were empty, obviously, and. 276 00:14:50,241 --> 00:14:53,241 Speaker 10: At different times Amanda was with Guy having a conversation 277 00:14:53,521 --> 00:14:56,201 Speaker 10: and I was talking to Amber and I don't want 278 00:14:56,201 --> 00:14:58,401 Speaker 10: to get too personal, Jay, but you could see there 279 00:14:58,441 --> 00:15:02,281 Speaker 10: was an emotion in Guy that was sad, and Amber 280 00:15:02,721 --> 00:15:05,041 Speaker 10: she was quite upset when she was talking to me 281 00:15:05,121 --> 00:15:08,161 Speaker 10: about certain parts of what we've experienced as a family, 282 00:15:09,081 --> 00:15:10,601 Speaker 10: especially when Eden was left. 283 00:15:10,641 --> 00:15:12,481 Speaker 7: Why she was that attected her. 284 00:15:12,961 --> 00:15:16,321 Speaker 8: There was a lot of respect in the room, thinking 285 00:15:17,601 --> 00:15:21,401 Speaker 8: I as soon as Guy embraced me, I'm afraid. 286 00:15:21,241 --> 00:15:24,401 Speaker 5: I was useless from that point. I was in tears 287 00:15:25,001 --> 00:15:28,681 Speaker 5: and sobbing somewhat throughout it, and gathered myself for a 288 00:15:28,721 --> 00:15:32,721 Speaker 5: short time. But Jason really delivered. We went in with 289 00:15:32,841 --> 00:15:37,001 Speaker 5: some speaking points, and we went in with not only 290 00:15:37,001 --> 00:15:42,521 Speaker 5: the problem, but a solution, a strategy that we emailed 291 00:15:42,641 --> 00:15:45,561 Speaker 5: to Ambers straight away so she could peruse through that 292 00:15:45,641 --> 00:15:49,121 Speaker 5: as we were having our meeting, and Jason just went 293 00:15:49,161 --> 00:15:50,561 Speaker 5: through our speaking points of. 294 00:15:50,601 --> 00:15:51,721 Speaker 8: The last nine years. 295 00:15:51,721 --> 00:15:55,481 Speaker 5: We got halfway through, and as I said, there was 296 00:15:55,521 --> 00:15:56,721 Speaker 5: a lot of respect in the room. 297 00:15:56,761 --> 00:15:57,761 Speaker 8: There was empathy there. 298 00:15:59,121 --> 00:16:02,761 Speaker 5: There was probably a little shock about what we were presenting, 299 00:16:03,641 --> 00:16:08,401 Speaker 5: I almost felt like, yeah, this was definitely the first 300 00:16:08,921 --> 00:16:11,641 Speaker 5: in some cases of what they'd heard and seen. 301 00:16:12,561 --> 00:16:13,281 Speaker 8: I felt like. 302 00:16:14,841 --> 00:16:18,721 Speaker 5: Guy was prepared to talk about not being able to 303 00:16:18,761 --> 00:16:23,201 Speaker 5: help us get the inquest opened the same path as 304 00:16:23,201 --> 00:16:27,921 Speaker 5: we traveled with they did with Jari, And when we 305 00:16:28,001 --> 00:16:31,761 Speaker 5: first started speaking, we thanked them for their time and 306 00:16:31,801 --> 00:16:34,081 Speaker 5: then we said, we also understand that you can't help 307 00:16:34,161 --> 00:16:37,401 Speaker 5: us with that. So I was just so upset when 308 00:16:37,481 --> 00:16:42,921 Speaker 5: some people's names were mentioned throughout the speaking points, and 309 00:16:44,441 --> 00:16:47,481 Speaker 5: everything for me has been right on the surface in 310 00:16:47,601 --> 00:16:53,401 Speaker 5: terms of I'm feeling a little upset, as I said 311 00:16:53,481 --> 00:16:57,081 Speaker 5: last time I spoke to you, and yeah, the lead 312 00:16:57,161 --> 00:17:01,401 Speaker 5: up to Edie's birthday, the birthday and the after her 313 00:17:01,401 --> 00:17:04,561 Speaker 5: birthday has been a different experience this time around for me, 314 00:17:05,801 --> 00:17:08,481 Speaker 5: I've got to say. And I feel like it's almost 315 00:17:08,681 --> 00:17:14,001 Speaker 5: that the support is so strong and the people are 316 00:17:14,761 --> 00:17:18,161 Speaker 5: truly genuine and it's not just their words. When I'm 317 00:17:18,201 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 5: talking about people like Jackie Lamby and the Torpedo and 318 00:17:21,761 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 5: the Golden Thread, they've proven that they're in this for 319 00:17:26,921 --> 00:17:29,761 Speaker 5: truth and justice and sincerely truth and justice. And as 320 00:17:29,801 --> 00:17:32,801 Speaker 5: I said, Jackie's been in the picture for since twenty 321 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 5: seventeen under the radar, not getting any publicity throughout that 322 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,681 Speaker 5: time from me, and now she's put it out there 323 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 5: in full swim that she's one hundred percent behind this 324 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 5: and has no intention in the backing down until we 325 00:17:48,001 --> 00:17:51,241 Speaker 5: get solid answers and some. 326 00:17:53,241 --> 00:17:54,321 Speaker 8: Real results. 327 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: Just for clarity that mister Barnett, Guy Barnett, as the 328 00:17:57,921 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 3: Attorney General can't do what he did or what was 329 00:18:00,921 --> 00:18:03,561 Speaker 3: done by the Attorney General a lase archer at the 330 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 3: time in the Weiss's case. He can't instruct the coroner 331 00:18:09,721 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 3: to investigate Eden's death because the case is closed and 332 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 3: the legislation doesn't allow for that to happen. As the 333 00:18:18,481 --> 00:18:19,321 Speaker 3: attorney General. 334 00:18:19,721 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 5: Well, that's what we know is fact. So we didn't 335 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,001 Speaker 5: want to go down that path with him to get 336 00:18:25,041 --> 00:18:27,281 Speaker 5: a know and waste the time that we may have 337 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 5: had with a meeting to share some of the content 338 00:18:31,441 --> 00:18:35,241 Speaker 5: of our correspondence back and forth. And he was quite 339 00:18:35,321 --> 00:18:39,441 Speaker 5: shocked at what was written to us some very high 340 00:18:39,521 --> 00:18:43,041 Speaker 5: up people and really disappointed the. 341 00:18:43,201 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 7: Questions that we wanted to speak to Guy about. I 342 00:18:47,241 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 7: just was fortunate enough to have him in front of me, 343 00:18:49,681 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 7: Jay and I was able to go through each bullet point, 344 00:18:52,801 --> 00:18:57,521 Speaker 7: and as I did, I was asking Guy and Amber 345 00:18:57,521 --> 00:19:00,081 Speaker 7: if there's any questions they needed to me to clarify 346 00:19:00,201 --> 00:19:04,001 Speaker 7: on those bullet points or go into detail. Unfortunately, with 347 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:08,321 Speaker 7: Guy Jay, he only had one hour and I, as 348 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 7: you know, I can talk pretty quick, mate, and I 349 00:19:11,201 --> 00:19:15,001 Speaker 7: only got halfway through what we needed to discuss in 350 00:19:15,041 --> 00:19:19,521 Speaker 7: that meeting. Guy explained and apologized he had to go 351 00:19:19,561 --> 00:19:22,041 Speaker 7: to another meeting, and I could see on his rostered 352 00:19:22,041 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 7: board he was in four meetings that day and he apologized. 353 00:19:25,921 --> 00:19:28,281 Speaker 7: He said this, in no way this meeting is over. 354 00:19:29,521 --> 00:19:33,561 Speaker 7: He said that whether it's another face to face sit 355 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,601 Speaker 7: down meeting with us, or whether this is a a correspondence, 356 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 7: continual correspondence, we're going to get to the bottom of this, 357 00:19:41,321 --> 00:19:43,041 Speaker 7: and we're going to be working with you guys to 358 00:19:43,761 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 7: We need some correspondence from you guys, and we'll be 359 00:19:47,001 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 7: in touch. And as we walked out at his office, 360 00:19:50,041 --> 00:19:53,281 Speaker 7: there was probably twelve people waiting. 361 00:19:53,321 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 5: For him to his wife and family. Yeah, and the 362 00:19:59,521 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 5: wall to storm the way down and then you know, 363 00:20:02,241 --> 00:20:02,961 Speaker 5: make sure. 364 00:20:02,761 --> 00:20:07,441 Speaker 8: That we were assured that this very much the beginning 365 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 8: of what we're embarking on for with Guy. 366 00:20:12,801 --> 00:20:16,481 Speaker 10: So yeah, look he's asked for specific documentation. He asked 367 00:20:16,521 --> 00:20:19,401 Speaker 10: us specific questions on a couple of subjects which. 368 00:20:19,241 --> 00:20:23,561 Speaker 9: He was concerned with. Yeah, I'm happy to talk to 369 00:20:23,561 --> 00:20:26,041 Speaker 9: you Jay about this off air because I just don't. 370 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,521 Speaker 7: Feel it's something I want to Yeah, and he would. 371 00:20:30,281 --> 00:20:33,561 Speaker 8: Like to see what we have, and I've actually. 372 00:20:34,001 --> 00:20:36,561 Speaker 3: We also reached out to Guy Barnett's office to see 373 00:20:36,561 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 3: if he'd be willing to give an update on the podcast. 374 00:20:39,561 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 3: It may be a little early for that, but we 375 00:20:42,481 --> 00:20:45,321 Speaker 3: thought we'd try anyway. We're hoping to get a response 376 00:20:45,521 --> 00:20:49,361 Speaker 3: next time on our Little LEADYE Don't Forget. You can 377 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,241 Speaker 3: sign the petition for an Independent Inquiry into Eden's death 378 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,041 Speaker 3: at change dot org. We've put the link in the 379 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,121 Speaker 3: show notes, and if you'd like, you can also join 380 00:21:00,241 --> 00:21:03,761 Speaker 3: us for a special live recording of the podcast. Numbers 381 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,921 Speaker 3: are really limited and we're almost full, so if you'd 382 00:21:06,921 --> 00:21:09,241 Speaker 3: like to join the waiting list, that link is also 383 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: in the show notes.