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Speaker 1: Approach production.

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Speaker 2: For the record. I'm done trying to make y'all comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Right for the record. You ain't trying to grow down

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Speaker 2: the stuff for you ride for the record, laugh on

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Speaker 2: me going all the way way for the record. Ain't

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Speaker 2: trying to link, No, trying to waste stop.

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Speaker 3: For the record, for the record, for the for the record,

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Speaker 3: for the right, for the record, for the record, your

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Speaker 3: tell for the record. I'm don't trying to make y'all comfortable.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Season nineteen.

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Speaker 4: We are here, we are loud, and we are here

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Speaker 4: to deliver the best stories of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: I believe you are going to absolutely enjoy this one.

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Speaker 4: This man has had a lot in his life of

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Speaker 4: highs and lows. He's seen both side of the fences,

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Speaker 4: and what he is doing today is phenomenal from where

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Speaker 4: he was.

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Speaker 1: It's actually an honor to have this gentleman on today.

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Speaker 4: I had a pleasure of bumping into him at an

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Speaker 4: event just recently. We have only spoken briefly on Instagram,

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Speaker 4: but I have followed his journey now for some time,

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Speaker 4: and I must say that I have a lot of

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Speaker 4: appreciation for his hard work and respect for everything he's

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Speaker 4: doing within the community.

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Speaker 1: His name is de Marx.

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Speaker 4: He's a man up here on the Gold Coast and

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Speaker 4: welcome to the clink.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Brett, thanks for having me. Mate.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, it's actually an eye.

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Speaker 4: I do get quite excited with a lot of my

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Speaker 4: guests because each of you come with your own journey

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Speaker 4: and within that some amazing stories. You yourself are built strongly

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Speaker 4: abround resilient strength. You've taken so many negatives that have

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Speaker 4: been thrown at you, took ownership of situations many many

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Speaker 4: years ago that led you down certain paths. And while

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Speaker 4: I'm saying this is because they obviously are the things

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Speaker 4: that you talk highly about on your Instagram page, which

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Speaker 4: you like to inspire others, but most of all, you

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Speaker 4: take action.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a big believer around that.

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Speaker 4: Rather than speaking words, as we both know, words can

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Speaker 4: be very cheap. Let's take the audience back to a

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Speaker 4: young Dean, because Mate, life wasn't always squeaky clean and

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Speaker 4: good for you, was it, Mate?

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Speaker 6: No? Definitely not, mate, like you said, going right back

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Speaker 6: to when I was like a kid. I look at

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Speaker 6: kids these days and I remember what I was like

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Speaker 6: when I was a buddy kid, mate, And yeah, it's

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Speaker 6: a totally different setup these days. From the age of four,

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Speaker 6: Like my mum used to tell me stories and you know,

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Speaker 6: I must have been uncontrollable. That must have been something

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Speaker 6: wrong with me, you know, Like I was going down

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Speaker 6: full of water, chucking a hose in there, buddy windows.

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Speaker 6: I was only four years old doing this. When I

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Speaker 6: let out of your parents' sight? Little am making anything else?

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Speaker 6: And here I am, buddy, I.

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Speaker 5: Got to rest.

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Speaker 4: How does a four year old actually process the thought

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Speaker 4: that accent? Like, it's not just an hon the spot moment,

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Speaker 4: it's an actual thought process that goes into that.

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Speaker 6: And I remember doing this too, but I didn't realize

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Speaker 6: that I was only four years old. And my Mom's like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: you're only four years old when you've done that. I

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Speaker 6: used to go, buddy raid their mailboxes and try and

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Speaker 6: I think I was a bad eat from the start.

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Speaker 6: I think, mate, and where did you actually grow up?

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Speaker 5: I grew up in Melbourne, Victoria.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, we were there.

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Speaker 5: It's all about I think I was eight. Mom took off.

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Speaker 6: and he was just always with the fucking knuckle ed

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: Back then when she took off, I was pretty pretty

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Speaker 6: bitter really, you know, like your mum just left us

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Speaker 1: You know how many siblings in the house.

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Speaker 6: I got a half brother, the same dad, different mum,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, it definitely would have been a

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Speaker 4: and I'm fifty this year, so it was very much

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Speaker 1: I used to always say, oh, you know, family first, bullshit.

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Speaker 4: It was always club first and the old happy wife,

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Speaker 4: happy club life.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: We were the young kids running around at the clubhouse,

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Speaker 6: He was sort of just having a joke with us.

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Speaker 6: But my dad was a pretty serious man. He didn't

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Speaker 6: I sort of didn't think that much of it. But

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Speaker 6: when I think back at it now, they were some crazy,

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Speaker 4: And I think too, you know, club life was very different,

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Speaker 4: nothing like it is today. You know, even at stages

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Speaker 4: there where like you say, members lived at clubhouses or

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Speaker 4: you know, nouns or prospects would have to live and man,

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Speaker 4: the clubhouses always sort of be there clean and picking

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Speaker 6: Oh definitely, mate. And like I was saying before, like

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Speaker 6: It didn't take him long to find her, you know.

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Speaker 6: So I think it was like a fifth go at

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Speaker 6: we're at home and Mom just took off. Why we

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Speaker 6: my younger brother were just there. When he got home,

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Speaker 6: you know, before we come back home, and that side

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Speaker 6: of gave Mum a bit of time to fucking get away,

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Speaker 4: So did you guys move with mum or Mum just

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Speaker 6: I I never heard from her again until I was twenty.

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Speaker 6: I was locked up in Rockampton. I was going up

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Speaker 6: used to like check the papers and all that, because

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Speaker 6: she was, you know, And she used to look in

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Speaker 6: the papers all the time, and that and seeing that

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Speaker 6: She's seen I had a court date coming up or something,

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Speaker 5: It was like fucking meeting the stranger again.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can relate so much to that.

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Speaker 4: My mother basically just put a bag of clothes in

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Speaker 1: Never spoken or s took off with my two siblings,

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Speaker 4: And it set the path for many, many many years

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Speaker 1: I don't turn around today.

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Speaker 4: So I blame everything on that because obviously, as a man,

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Speaker 4: you make your own choices as time goes on. But initially,

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Speaker 4: that age. And obviously you yourself were in a very

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Speaker 4: similar position to fend for yourself and Mum's gone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. Obviously.

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Speaker 6: You know, Dad didn't know the first thing about being

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Speaker 6: and you know, Mum was just surviving with us bloody

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Speaker 6: like Dad had to make the big decision of what

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Speaker 6: he was going to do. He tried to juggle with

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Speaker 6: and it just obviously wasn't working. Then he made the

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Speaker 6: and all that back and stuff, and they all respected

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Speaker 6: him for it, and just you know, it is what

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Speaker 6: it is sort of thing. Back in them days, it

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Speaker 6: but he had that good rep mutation and the only

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Speaker 6: reason he was going is because I could. He had

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Speaker 6: to be a father to his two kids. No one

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Speaker 6: else was going to do it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: He sold everything, He gave everything back to everyone and

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Speaker 6: everything that and then we just packed up and we

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Speaker 6: went out to Phillip Island for a couple of years.

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Speaker 4: Well, Philip Island, that's supposed to be a beautiful place

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Speaker 4: down there. I've not personally got there. I've only been

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Speaker 4: as far as we've I been. Bell's Rosebud gonna matter,

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Speaker 4: I think further down then you've got Phillip Island, don't you.

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Speaker 5: Philip Island's a beautiful place.

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Speaker 1: Mate, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Have heard that somewhere I'd like to go and have

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Speaker 4: a little bit of time out, I think at some stage.

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Speaker 1: And from there, where did you go to end up

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Speaker 5: I was sick of driving.

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Speaker 6: We could have fucking stopped anywhere else, mate, But yeah,

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Speaker 4: The difference is huge once you're stuck in out those

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Speaker 4: So you know, like coming into an environment where you're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, mate.

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Speaker 6: So I just remember, like every school I went to,

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Speaker 5: It's all a part of ground up there, you know.

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Speaker 5: I like that sort of shit.

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Speaker 1: Obviously.

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Speaker 4: I see you train daily, and as I said, we

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Speaker 6: The first IBC? Yeah, bloody did me Munichal route off

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Speaker 6: I was fucking giving it everything I had, you know,

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Speaker 4: I did watch your training well, that part of your

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Speaker 1: And it actually it grabbed me.

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Speaker 4: You know, you both know size ain't shit, but the

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Speaker 4: it was just like, well, somebody's going to.

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Speaker 4: So credit to you, mate, I know, and I be honest,

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Speaker 5: It was a hard pal to swallow Brat, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: And you know, like in the movie, you're a fighter.

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Speaker 4: You know, like I'm not talking or promoting aggression and violence,

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Speaker 4: It's the whole trip has just been about fighting, hasn't

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Speaker 6: Yeah, in every aspect, mate, that's for sure, you know,

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Speaker 6: and I'll look back at it too, mate, And I

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Speaker 6: So I wouldn't change a thing.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you being the

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Speaker 4: People don't know how to take us and generally don't

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Speaker 4: And as you said just before we jumped on air,

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Speaker 1: Make credit to you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks mate. I'll tell you what, I've turned such

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Speaker 1: That'll tell just tell on you because you raise your voice.

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Speaker 6: This is just a walk in the park, prepared to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh look, I'm going to be really honest with you.

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Speaker 4: You've come up in quite a lot of conversation with

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Speaker 1: And I was actually happy hearing that.

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Speaker 4: Not that I go doing too much background or research,

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Speaker 1: I know you've been.

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Speaker 4: On quite a few podcasts, but credit to them as well,

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Speaker 5: Well, me and my mates, right, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'll give my dad this for sure, Like he used

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Speaker 6: never went down the road of that sort of stuff.

444
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,041
Speaker 6: The first time I touched any amphetamines was on my

445
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 6: twenty first birthday and that was just a couple of

446
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,921
Speaker 6: pills down in Melbourne when we're going to a fucking technojor.

447
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:56,321
Speaker 6: So I did all that growing up, just smoking a

448
00:20:56,321 --> 00:20:58,161
Speaker 6: few billies and drinking some piss.

449
00:20:58,481 --> 00:21:00,961
Speaker 1: That's a big credit to you. How old are you now?

450
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,681
Speaker 5: I'm forty three this year, right.

451
00:21:05,561 --> 00:21:07,481
Speaker 4: So you would have come in the back era where

452
00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 4: the gas was the gas, you know, it was starting

453
00:21:10,001 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 4: to come across to a bit of a crystal, these

454
00:21:12,321 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 4: sort of myth and that sort of scene, and then

455
00:21:14,761 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 4: obviously the ice come later on. I mean for me,

456
00:21:17,561 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 4: it was, you know, the gear was the thing. I

457
00:21:19,681 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 4: had a lot of mates that were chasing the drag.

458
00:21:21,961 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 4: The next minute I was sticking needles in their arm

459
00:21:24,281 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 4: using heroin. And I know Melbourne had a massive influx

460
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 4: of heroin, as did Sydney where I grew up. You

461
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 4: know that it was just horrific to watch what it

462
00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 4: did to people. And I'm kind of as much as

463
00:21:35,961 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 4: it hurt to lose what you called mates back then,

464
00:21:40,921 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 4: it made you as far as I was concerned. You know,

465
00:21:43,681 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 4: I never ever wanted to be tempted, never needed to be.

466
00:21:47,241 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 4: I've seen it with my own eyes of what it

467
00:21:48,921 --> 00:21:51,761
Speaker 4: did to people, and it was just like not for me. Yeah,

468
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 4: as you said, the old truckies, the gurgle or the

469
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,681
Speaker 4: gack or you know, the gas or whatever you want

470
00:21:56,681 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 4: to call it, the glucose, it got mixed seven to one.

471
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,681
Speaker 4: Need to have a line of the next minute.

472
00:22:00,721 --> 00:22:04,721
Speaker 1: If I can think you're flying now, it was that.

473
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: That was pretty much it.

474
00:22:06,281 --> 00:22:09,161
Speaker 4: And you know, the occasional good ECHI would come along

475
00:22:09,241 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 4: the old imports and that was the scene. But you know,

476
00:22:13,201 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 4: when we look at today and we look at even

477
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,161
Speaker 4: you know, your time in Jal, I mean I've done

478
00:22:18,761 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 4: just under fourteen years in total.

479
00:22:20,441 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: I know that you've done pretty well around the same amount.

480
00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,561
Speaker 4: The system itself and the style of man that comes

481
00:22:25,561 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 4: through the doors or the gates, it's just a whole

482
00:22:29,921 --> 00:22:33,881
Speaker 4: different thing, isn't it to what actually drugs have done

483
00:22:34,481 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 4: to the community, to young people and also old that

484
00:22:38,921 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 4: has now led so many down terrible paths and even

485
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,041
Speaker 4: to death.

486
00:22:43,721 --> 00:22:47,801
Speaker 6: Definitely, mate, I I don't know what they fucking put

487
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,921
Speaker 6: in that stuff these days. Mate, but fucking now, it's

488
00:22:51,041 --> 00:22:53,561
Speaker 6: really wiping a lot of people out. It's wrecking a

489
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,961
Speaker 6: lot of bloody families, and it goes down the chain,

490
00:22:57,241 --> 00:23:00,041
Speaker 6: you know, Like I lost my best mate to that shit,

491
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,001
Speaker 6: and that sort of hits pretty fucking close to home

492
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 6: for me, you know that ice. So I tried to

493
00:23:07,321 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 6: help my mate as much as I can. I was

494
00:23:09,241 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 6: obviously in prison for a lot of years, but I'd

495
00:23:12,761 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 6: talk to him, I'd bring him every day, you know,

496
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 6: and he was always the one who was beside me

497
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,441
Speaker 6: the most out of anyone, and he just got sick

498
00:23:23,481 --> 00:23:25,521
Speaker 6: and tired of being sick and tired. I think he

499
00:23:25,721 --> 00:23:29,601
Speaker 6: fought that battle for like nine years or something, and yeah,

500
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,521
Speaker 6: he finally sort of how to put himself in a position,

501
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 6: and yeah, I believe that that little devil in his

502
00:23:38,561 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 6: fucking head convinced him the fucking top himself, and you know,

503
00:23:42,281 --> 00:23:44,721
Speaker 6: he went on with it.

504
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 4: Was that while you're in jog you did say that

505
00:23:47,001 --> 00:23:49,001
Speaker 4: he was there and he was just sort of you're

506
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:49,801
Speaker 4: rotten basically.

507
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got out and I spent about eighteen months

508
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 6: with him before he left, and man, like you were saying,

509
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 6: before I spent like fourteen and a half years in

510
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 6: my life in prison, and he was beside me the

511
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,721
Speaker 6: whole time, Like he would go out of his way

512
00:24:08,761 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 6: to do anything for me the whole time I was

513
00:24:10,961 --> 00:24:14,001
Speaker 6: locked up, and like he used to take my dad

514
00:24:14,041 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 6: around buddy Christmas lunch every Christmas, my missus at the time.

515
00:24:18,241 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 6: Any things you ever needed, he'd always be there and

516
00:24:21,481 --> 00:24:24,521
Speaker 6: going to fix her fringe for her or fucking you

517
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 6: name it, whatever it was, he'd be doing it. You know.

518
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 6: And as you know, mate, you spend that amount of

519
00:24:30,241 --> 00:24:33,241
Speaker 6: time in there, you start to fucking learn who the

520
00:24:33,681 --> 00:24:37,041
Speaker 6: real ones are, who your mates really are, And you

521
00:24:37,041 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 6: know he was there the whole time, and he was

522
00:24:39,961 --> 00:24:43,281
Speaker 6: there when I got out, and if he helped me

523
00:24:43,321 --> 00:24:47,161
Speaker 6: out when I got out. If it wasn't for him,

524
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be in this position that I'm in today.

525
00:24:49,481 --> 00:24:50,441
Speaker 5: I know that for sure.

526
00:24:52,281 --> 00:24:54,121
Speaker 4: I can see it in your face when you speak

527
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: of him, that it still hurts, but I can obviously

528
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,921
Speaker 4: see that you know how proud you must feel being

529
00:24:59,961 --> 00:25:03,681
Speaker 4: the man you are today, I guess in honor of him.

530
00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:08,281
Speaker 4: Like you're say, you wouldn't be where you are without him.

531
00:25:09,201 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 4: You do see so many just drop off for me.

532
00:25:12,721 --> 00:25:15,201
Speaker 4: I remember when I first got, you know, my big whack,

533
00:25:15,281 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 4: and it was just you went from a week before

534
00:25:18,241 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 4: you're getting pinched that you know, everybody was around it.

535
00:25:21,241 --> 00:25:23,161
Speaker 1: Back then you'd have two or three phones, they'd.

536
00:25:23,001 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 4: Be always ringing there, you're here, there, everywhere, whatever you're

537
00:25:25,521 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 4: in the mix, to just dead silence, you know. And

538
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 4: then obviously there's money's outstanding here and things need to

539
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,361
Speaker 4: be done there, and you know, people just disappear. Then

540
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,321
Speaker 4: all of a sudden it's just you and your missus,

541
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,081
Speaker 4: you know. And at that stage, for me, I had

542
00:25:39,561 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 4: three year old daughter. Missus was five months pregnant with

543
00:25:42,241 --> 00:25:46,241
Speaker 4: my son. Nara was looking at ten. So you're fucking

544
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:48,761
Speaker 4: so right about that to have that one five eight.

545
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 4: And my guy that you know, like you had, he

546
00:25:51,561 --> 00:25:54,321
Speaker 4: passed away on the nineteenth of August last year. You

547
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,241
Speaker 4: may have even come across him. He was in the

548
00:25:56,321 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 4: Queensend system.

549
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gordon white House, God bless him, Old Buller.

550
00:26:01,521 --> 00:26:04,801
Speaker 4: He spent a lot of time, sadly in the system,

551
00:26:04,801 --> 00:26:07,761
Speaker 4: and yeah, he just you know, you get to the

552
00:26:07,801 --> 00:26:10,761
Speaker 4: point where, in a similar way, he was just doing

553
00:26:10,801 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 4: what he was doing in life, and he just pushed

554
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,641
Speaker 4: the limits and it was just too far.

555
00:26:17,481 --> 00:26:20,001
Speaker 1: And passed away one morning, and that was it at

556
00:26:20,001 --> 00:26:23,481
Speaker 1: a very young age. So it happens, and they're few

557
00:26:23,521 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: and far between.

558
00:26:24,481 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 4: So Mate, to have that one person in your life

559
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,001
Speaker 4: that you are can seeking right now and still speak

560
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,321
Speaker 4: highly of is just a beautiful thing because reality is

561
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: most of us won't be able to have those conversations

562
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 4: and speak of that one or two person.

563
00:26:38,801 --> 00:26:42,761
Speaker 6: Definitely, Mate. And he passed away on the twentieth of August.

564
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,561
Speaker 4: Wow, that's my wife's birthdays, and that's it was at

565
00:26:46,561 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 4: eleven thirty on the nineteenth. And we found out on

566
00:26:49,721 --> 00:26:51,841
Speaker 4: the morning, three thirty in the morning on the twentieth.

567
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,801
Speaker 4: And I actually believed at that time that he passed

568
00:26:56,041 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 4: early that morning on the twentieth, but it wasn't. It

569
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:04,161
Speaker 4: officially passed Yeah, late night on the nineteenth.

570
00:27:04,201 --> 00:27:04,361
Speaker 5: Wow.

571
00:27:04,441 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: There, how's the irony of that?

572
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 6: As soon as you said that day a, I was like,

573
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 6: shoe was up his spine.

574
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,041
Speaker 1: It does, don't it, brother? It really sort of hair

575
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,481
Speaker 1: on my arms are sticking up.

576
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, let's take a breath and let let's just

577
00:27:20,801 --> 00:27:22,041
Speaker 4: change that a little bit from that.

578
00:27:22,921 --> 00:27:26,001
Speaker 1: You started a journey of jail at quite a young age.

579
00:27:26,001 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: Obviously, what was that sort of like for you going

580
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 4: in for the first time and what was your first whack.

581
00:27:31,721 --> 00:27:33,801
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you don't have to discuss what it

582
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,201
Speaker 4: was for. That's your business. But time wise, what we're

583
00:27:37,241 --> 00:27:37,921
Speaker 4: looking at.

584
00:27:38,001 --> 00:27:40,961
Speaker 6: That home invasion that I talked about, that was when

585
00:27:41,001 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 6: I was nineteen, I got locked up in Capricorn Correctional

586
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,961
Speaker 6: Center up in Rockampton. Yeah, that was a bit of

587
00:27:49,041 --> 00:27:51,441
Speaker 6: an eye opener, you know, Like I had a bit

588
00:27:51,441 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 6: of a name in the town by then before I

589
00:27:53,721 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 6: went to jar because from a young age I was

590
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 6: in amongst everything, mate, so we already had a bit

591
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,441
Speaker 6: of a reputation in the town. And then I finally

592
00:28:04,481 --> 00:28:07,401
Speaker 6: got locked up when I was nineteen.

593
00:28:07,801 --> 00:28:10,721
Speaker 5: It was for a home invasion, and I don't believe it.

594
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,281
Speaker 5: I'm right.

595
00:28:11,521 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 6: I know you've probably heard plenty of people say this,

596
00:28:14,281 --> 00:28:15,761
Speaker 6: but this one wasn't even mate.

597
00:28:17,801 --> 00:28:20,321
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, let's just put that in perspective.

598
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: You've done the whack for it, and you know, like

599
00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: I get it. If you're kicking it off and you

600
00:28:24,721 --> 00:28:27,441
Speaker 4: go on to court and you're putting it, I'm not guilty.

601
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 4: You're not guilty, you know what I mean. But to

602
00:28:29,201 --> 00:28:31,321
Speaker 4: have gone through the system copped the whack and done

603
00:28:31,321 --> 00:28:34,281
Speaker 4: it and come out and still held strongly it wasn't.

604
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: You that was there. That's solid, you know.

605
00:28:35,681 --> 00:28:38,001
Speaker 4: I like to the point where I believe one million

606
00:28:38,041 --> 00:28:39,281
Speaker 4: percent that it wasn't you.

607
00:28:40,801 --> 00:28:44,281
Speaker 6: Yeah, like cut a long story short without that obviously

608
00:28:44,601 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 6: saying too much. But a couple of me, mates, I

609
00:28:47,281 --> 00:28:50,881
Speaker 6: can they went and did this blake over fucking rolled

610
00:28:50,921 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 6: in for a couple of pounds a pot, and the

611
00:28:54,281 --> 00:28:57,521
Speaker 6: witness and the victims at the time when the coppers

612
00:28:57,521 --> 00:29:00,601
Speaker 6: got there, they said, oh, there was four masks men

613
00:29:00,841 --> 00:29:03,881
Speaker 6: and one of them was tall. I was found on

614
00:29:03,921 --> 00:29:07,481
Speaker 6: the street that night going to pick up me missus

615
00:29:07,481 --> 00:29:11,521
Speaker 6: from the fucking strip club, and they just steamrolled me

616
00:29:11,601 --> 00:29:14,041
Speaker 6: and fucking locked me up, and I went to court

617
00:29:14,121 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 6: the next morning. They reminded me in custody, and because

618
00:29:17,521 --> 00:29:19,801
Speaker 6: I was a bit of alaric and in the town already,

619
00:29:20,481 --> 00:29:23,601
Speaker 6: it didn't take a much to bloody pulled some strings

620
00:29:23,601 --> 00:29:25,921
Speaker 6: to get me back and reminded in custody.

621
00:29:26,321 --> 00:29:28,841
Speaker 5: So yeah, then I went out there, mate.

622
00:29:28,841 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 6: I was out at Capricorn Correctional Center as a nineteen

623
00:29:31,561 --> 00:29:35,001
Speaker 6: year old kid, and I got locked up with Danny Williams.

624
00:29:35,081 --> 00:29:38,281
Speaker 6: He was a pretty well respected Aboriginal follow up there,

625
00:29:38,321 --> 00:29:40,721
Speaker 6: and he pretty much had run of the bloody place

626
00:29:40,801 --> 00:29:41,161
Speaker 6: up there.

627
00:29:41,201 --> 00:29:42,401
Speaker 5: So I was probably.

628
00:29:42,321 --> 00:29:47,081
Speaker 6: Lucky being a young white kid going into an environment

629
00:29:47,201 --> 00:29:51,601
Speaker 6: like that. But I had a cowie who everyone sort

630
00:29:51,641 --> 00:29:54,801
Speaker 6: of respected. I sort of looked back at them days

631
00:29:54,841 --> 00:29:58,161
Speaker 6: and thought, well, you know, I had a pretty pretty

632
00:29:58,161 --> 00:30:00,441
Speaker 6: smooth run as a young kid, even though I got

633
00:30:00,441 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 6: into a couple of knuckles and all that sort of stuff. Like,

634
00:30:03,841 --> 00:30:06,121
Speaker 6: I think I earned a little bit the respects from

635
00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:09,641
Speaker 6: just the men in there already because I was Danny

636
00:30:09,681 --> 00:30:10,801
Speaker 6: Williams Gowey, you know.

637
00:30:11,001 --> 00:30:14,561
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's just how old were you doing? No,

638
00:30:14,641 --> 00:30:18,281
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, right, so technically a young offenders still.

639
00:30:18,681 --> 00:30:21,321
Speaker 6: Yeah, but we're just chuck straight into the general, mate,

640
00:30:21,401 --> 00:30:24,081
Speaker 6: in a popular operation with all of them, mate, didn't

641
00:30:24,121 --> 00:30:26,521
Speaker 6: matter of fact who you were up there.

642
00:30:26,761 --> 00:30:27,281
Speaker 1: Yeah.

643
00:30:27,401 --> 00:30:29,601
Speaker 4: You know, I've heard that it's a bit of a

644
00:30:29,681 --> 00:30:31,881
Speaker 4: rough place up there, especially you know from the out

645
00:30:31,921 --> 00:30:34,561
Speaker 4: of town is the locals have got it fairly locked

646
00:30:34,601 --> 00:30:37,281
Speaker 4: down and sort of their way or the highway.

647
00:30:38,201 --> 00:30:42,001
Speaker 6: Yeah, even just growing up going to school too, mate,

648
00:30:42,041 --> 00:30:43,921
Speaker 6: you know all that sort of stuff. I didn't last

649
00:30:43,921 --> 00:30:47,801
Speaker 6: too long at school really, But there's definitely a lot

650
00:30:47,801 --> 00:30:50,681
Speaker 6: of racial tension up there. And one thing I know,

651
00:30:50,921 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 6: like you, you'd notice this as well too, mate, in

652
00:30:53,481 --> 00:30:56,081
Speaker 6: the jars like all the Murray's and all that, they

653
00:30:56,161 --> 00:30:59,321
Speaker 6: all stick together, but the white fellows they don't stick together, mate,

654
00:30:59,361 --> 00:31:03,601
Speaker 6: you know. And yeah, fucking you're sitting duck half the time.

655
00:31:03,681 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 6: You know, like even if you stay up for yourself,

656
00:31:05,801 --> 00:31:07,281
Speaker 6: now what else is going to back you up? You

657
00:31:07,401 --> 00:31:08,761
Speaker 6: just got to do it on your own, you.

658
00:31:08,721 --> 00:31:10,401
Speaker 1: Know, one hundred percent.

659
00:31:10,521 --> 00:31:13,361
Speaker 4: Like I remember going, you know, my first couple of years,

660
00:31:13,641 --> 00:31:16,721
Speaker 4: I'd constantly get tipped because I just wouldn't settle. And

661
00:31:16,801 --> 00:31:18,761
Speaker 4: you know, as you know, they ain't tolerated after a

662
00:31:18,801 --> 00:31:21,721
Speaker 4: minute next minute. I only let you have said Gray

663
00:31:21,801 --> 00:31:23,361
Speaker 4: so many times, why they've just put you on a

664
00:31:23,361 --> 00:31:25,721
Speaker 4: truck without any knowledge and they sending it a timbuck too,

665
00:31:26,361 --> 00:31:28,121
Speaker 4: on the milk runner as they call it. But you

666
00:31:28,161 --> 00:31:31,321
Speaker 4: know where they would predominantly send someone, and I say,

667
00:31:31,401 --> 00:31:34,641
Speaker 4: like us, with all due respect us white fellows would

668
00:31:34,641 --> 00:31:38,401
Speaker 4: be predominantly somewhere where we wouldn't be comfortable, and generally

669
00:31:38,721 --> 00:31:41,921
Speaker 4: was you know, a brother's jail that was run down

670
00:31:41,961 --> 00:31:45,321
Speaker 4: in New South Wales, generally by the quaries, and if

671
00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:50,601
Speaker 4: you didn't know, or you weren't affiliated or somehow had

672
00:31:50,641 --> 00:31:55,241
Speaker 4: a relation with them, you were guaranteed because obviously back

673
00:31:55,281 --> 00:31:58,601
Speaker 4: then you came in and most people didn't know that,

674
00:31:58,681 --> 00:32:01,041
Speaker 4: they would say yes, whether they smoked or not.

675
00:32:01,081 --> 00:32:01,801
Speaker 1: They'd take their.

676
00:32:01,721 --> 00:32:05,561
Speaker 4: Pouch that was your reception pouch and a couple of

677
00:32:05,641 --> 00:32:10,001
Speaker 4: envelopes and a notepad in a pen. If you didn't

678
00:32:10,001 --> 00:32:11,961
Speaker 4: know how to hold yourself or no someone, you'd lose

679
00:32:11,961 --> 00:32:13,321
Speaker 4: them to suit before you even got to the wing,

680
00:32:13,641 --> 00:32:15,921
Speaker 4: you know, like you'd have somebody walking you down through

681
00:32:15,961 --> 00:32:18,801
Speaker 4: the shoot. Next minute that'd be you'd best be whacking

682
00:32:18,841 --> 00:32:22,481
Speaker 4: that up. But obviously these days that's just not how

683
00:32:22,521 --> 00:32:26,041
Speaker 4: it is. But you do see that there are so

684
00:32:26,241 --> 00:32:31,361
Speaker 4: many young non indigenous or non Polynesian white fellows out

685
00:32:31,401 --> 00:32:34,921
Speaker 4: there that they are they're a minority in the system,

686
00:32:35,441 --> 00:32:38,681
Speaker 4: and unless you've got the respect of the other cultures,

687
00:32:39,001 --> 00:32:41,321
Speaker 4: the only way to gain that is to find some

688
00:32:41,361 --> 00:32:43,921
Speaker 4: sort of authority within you. Not everybody wants to go

689
00:32:43,961 --> 00:32:47,001
Speaker 4: down those roads, especially if they're doing twelve months or

690
00:32:47,001 --> 00:32:49,361
Speaker 4: two years, you know, as they call it, a drunk

691
00:32:49,361 --> 00:32:51,561
Speaker 4: slag and they just want to get through their time

692
00:32:51,561 --> 00:32:53,001
Speaker 4: and get home. But you get caught up in the

693
00:32:53,001 --> 00:32:55,801
Speaker 4: politics and it can turn into many, many, many many years.

694
00:32:55,841 --> 00:32:59,361
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, I've seen it plenty of times.

695
00:32:59,401 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 4: Man.

696
00:32:59,601 --> 00:33:02,121
Speaker 6: I've seen some lads come in as young men and

697
00:33:03,041 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 6: end up getting a murd of blue and buddies been

698
00:33:05,281 --> 00:33:07,361
Speaker 6: in twenty six fucking years and there, mate, you know,

699
00:33:07,521 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 6: it does happen. So you know, that's one thing I

700
00:33:11,241 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 6: think I did pretty well. When I was doing my

701
00:33:13,561 --> 00:33:17,281
Speaker 6: jail sentences. My dad was always on to me as well,

702
00:33:17,401 --> 00:33:19,921
Speaker 6: because I've had a lot of experience and this sort

703
00:33:19,921 --> 00:33:23,081
Speaker 6: of stuff as well, and he always just said to me,

704
00:33:23,121 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 6: he goes, listen, don't go getting caught up in the

705
00:33:26,041 --> 00:33:28,001
Speaker 6: fucking drug game and shitit in jail.

706
00:33:28,481 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 5: It only leads to fucking one way, you know. And

707
00:33:31,041 --> 00:33:31,361
Speaker 5: I did.

708
00:33:31,401 --> 00:33:33,801
Speaker 6: I listened to him because I remember all them times

709
00:33:33,841 --> 00:33:36,561
Speaker 6: and banging on about me not taking needles and all that.

710
00:33:36,641 --> 00:33:38,561
Speaker 6: So he did the same thing to me when I

711
00:33:38,641 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 6: was going to jail, and he just said, just fucking

712
00:33:43,841 --> 00:33:45,921
Speaker 6: train your ass, so I fucking try and get to

713
00:33:46,001 --> 00:33:47,921
Speaker 6: sleep as early as you can. You don't want to

714
00:33:47,921 --> 00:33:50,441
Speaker 6: stay out late because you add them two or three

715
00:33:50,521 --> 00:33:53,401
Speaker 6: hours every fucking day over a ten year lag and mate,

716
00:33:53,441 --> 00:33:55,361
Speaker 6: you've been in there twelve months more than you need

717
00:33:55,401 --> 00:33:58,321
Speaker 6: to be, you know, so all the little things that

718
00:33:58,361 --> 00:34:00,761
Speaker 6: he used to drug it in my head. I listened

719
00:34:00,801 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 6: to him because he was right about everything else. So

720
00:34:03,921 --> 00:34:06,521
Speaker 6: I just did what he said. And I never got

721
00:34:06,521 --> 00:34:09,241
Speaker 6: involved in any of the drug game or anything in jail.

722
00:34:09,281 --> 00:34:11,641
Speaker 6: I just did me push ups, mate, and made me broccoli,

723
00:34:11,721 --> 00:34:13,561
Speaker 6: and I was fucking on my way.

724
00:34:14,961 --> 00:34:17,321
Speaker 4: Funny you say that, because as soon as you go

725
00:34:17,361 --> 00:34:19,441
Speaker 4: to the yard. I remember being at Long Bay, and

726
00:34:19,561 --> 00:34:22,841
Speaker 4: it was an era where a lot of the heavyweights

727
00:34:22,881 --> 00:34:25,761
Speaker 4: like Lenny McPherson and Co Contraanarcus and you know, the

728
00:34:25,841 --> 00:34:29,561
Speaker 4: King's Cross Crew, the old old heads that had.

729
00:34:29,401 --> 00:34:31,401
Speaker 1: Been and done a lot of jail. And I won't go.

730
00:34:31,441 --> 00:34:33,801
Speaker 4: Into too many more names, but you know, they'd have

731
00:34:33,881 --> 00:34:36,001
Speaker 4: their tables and they'd be all sitting around playing Manila,

732
00:34:36,121 --> 00:34:38,521
Speaker 4: and you know, as a blake that just coming off

733
00:34:38,521 --> 00:34:40,801
Speaker 4: the streets, you just sort of obviously you're back to

734
00:34:40,841 --> 00:34:43,041
Speaker 4: the corner, so to speak, mind your business, you know,

735
00:34:43,201 --> 00:34:44,801
Speaker 4: or you'd be cutting the laps when you knew you

736
00:34:44,801 --> 00:34:47,361
Speaker 4: could sort of cut the laps, but see everything in

737
00:34:47,401 --> 00:34:50,361
Speaker 4: the yard, and then you'd see, you know, someone coming

738
00:34:50,401 --> 00:34:52,321
Speaker 4: in hanging out with a pair of nikes on turned

739
00:34:52,361 --> 00:34:55,001
Speaker 4: upside down. Mate left with no shoes on their fucking feet,

740
00:34:55,121 --> 00:34:56,881
Speaker 4: just curled up in the ball like.

741
00:34:57,001 --> 00:34:59,561
Speaker 1: It was actually very very very bad back in the day.

742
00:35:00,041 --> 00:35:02,081
Speaker 4: You know, to be eighteen and sent straight into Long

743
00:35:02,161 --> 00:35:06,241
Speaker 4: Bay into the sip was a very scary thing for me.

744
00:35:06,281 --> 00:35:07,841
Speaker 1: I'd open my lap for three nights.

745
00:35:07,881 --> 00:35:09,761
Speaker 4: As my first cell mate, I didn't even know who

746
00:35:09,761 --> 00:35:12,441
Speaker 4: he was, and one of the sweepers came in. He said, mat,

747
00:35:12,441 --> 00:35:14,921
Speaker 4: we're getting you out of here. I'm like, well, what's wrong?

748
00:35:15,201 --> 00:35:16,721
Speaker 4: He goes, do you know who you too out with?

749
00:35:17,321 --> 00:35:19,561
Speaker 4: I don't know, but he's quiet, doesn't say anything. He goes,

750
00:35:20,361 --> 00:35:22,761
Speaker 4: we're getting you out of here. Wasn't until they moved

751
00:35:22,761 --> 00:35:25,441
Speaker 4: me into another cell in the same wing with a

752
00:35:25,481 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 4: good gentleman that you know, obviously I learned a lot

753
00:35:28,481 --> 00:35:31,281
Speaker 4: from as a young kid that I knew that that stage,

754
00:35:31,441 --> 00:35:32,721
Speaker 4: Holy fuck, that.

755
00:35:33,201 --> 00:35:36,241
Speaker 1: Could have gone real bad. You know, who knows, But

756
00:35:37,241 --> 00:35:38,881
Speaker 1: it was definitely an eye opener.

757
00:35:38,961 --> 00:35:42,361
Speaker 4: And you know, those days, blakes were just getting popped left,

758
00:35:42,401 --> 00:35:45,161
Speaker 4: right and center in the yard into the circle every day.

759
00:35:45,721 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 4: They had a major transit wing, so it didn't matter

760
00:35:48,001 --> 00:35:50,401
Speaker 4: if you had dramas with like you said, drugs or gambling,

761
00:35:50,561 --> 00:35:53,521
Speaker 4: old debts and other jarls. Messages had come through people

762
00:35:53,561 --> 00:35:56,041
Speaker 4: knowing that you're coming in a nine wing or something. Mate,

763
00:35:56,081 --> 00:35:58,201
Speaker 4: there'd be people there waiting for you. You'd be going

764
00:35:58,241 --> 00:36:00,881
Speaker 4: out on a stretcher. And that's as simple as it was.

765
00:36:01,401 --> 00:36:03,761
Speaker 1: No one was going to save you. And it's a

766
00:36:03,801 --> 00:36:05,041
Speaker 1: really harsh reality.

767
00:36:05,241 --> 00:36:07,281
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, if we look at the

768
00:36:07,321 --> 00:36:10,361
Speaker 4: way that the system is today, I had to go

769
00:36:10,401 --> 00:36:12,361
Speaker 4: back and do three months on raman there a few

770
00:36:12,481 --> 00:36:14,601
Speaker 4: years back over a murder blue that I just beat

771
00:36:15,321 --> 00:36:18,121
Speaker 4: that's sixteen years old and I'm being acquitted of it

772
00:36:18,161 --> 00:36:20,761
Speaker 4: three weeks ago, which is something I'm really really grateful

773
00:36:20,801 --> 00:36:24,241
Speaker 4: and happy for. But you know, just the way that

774
00:36:24,321 --> 00:36:27,601
Speaker 4: the system is now is just ugly. I wouldn't wish

775
00:36:27,641 --> 00:36:31,201
Speaker 4: it upon anyone, you know, Like if you're not somehow

776
00:36:31,241 --> 00:36:34,521
Speaker 4: affiliated or connected, to walk in there, one out and

777
00:36:34,561 --> 00:36:37,841
Speaker 4: just mind your own business, do your own jail for

778
00:36:37,921 --> 00:36:41,441
Speaker 4: somebody that doesn't understand the system, I think is very hard.

779
00:36:41,841 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 4: For someone like us, We could and can still walk

780
00:36:45,521 --> 00:36:47,801
Speaker 4: in there, one out and do our own jail and

781
00:36:47,841 --> 00:36:49,561
Speaker 4: not get involved, knowing damn well.

782
00:36:49,361 --> 00:36:50,881
Speaker 1: What the politics and how it works.

783
00:36:51,521 --> 00:36:54,681
Speaker 4: But there is so many young people that go in

784
00:36:54,721 --> 00:36:57,321
Speaker 4: their first whack next minute bank drawn straight into it,

785
00:36:57,321 --> 00:37:00,681
Speaker 4: straight into the straight into this, straight into that, and

786
00:37:01,241 --> 00:37:04,281
Speaker 4: it's the start of a very very long, ugly road.

787
00:37:05,601 --> 00:37:05,801
Speaker 5: Yeah.

788
00:37:05,801 --> 00:37:08,481
Speaker 6: I've still got a few mates that are locked up

789
00:37:08,561 --> 00:37:11,921
Speaker 6: still today, and you know, I talk to them sometimes

790
00:37:11,961 --> 00:37:14,561
Speaker 6: and you know they're like, mate, she's not fun anymore.

791
00:37:14,881 --> 00:37:18,201
Speaker 6: Like you know, they're twenty hours a day, they're locked down.

792
00:37:18,641 --> 00:37:20,001
Speaker 6: Everyone's got to Sally.

793
00:37:19,801 --> 00:37:20,401
Speaker 1: Twenty and four.

794
00:37:20,801 --> 00:37:22,881
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what it was for us twenty and

795
00:37:22,881 --> 00:37:26,481
Speaker 4: four and then they'd split it each week. And it's hard, mate,

796
00:37:26,521 --> 00:37:28,481
Speaker 4: because and I don't know if you've been to the

797
00:37:28,521 --> 00:37:30,921
Speaker 4: New South Wales system, but at least in New South

798
00:37:30,961 --> 00:37:33,281
Speaker 4: Wales they've got big yards like you get out you

799
00:37:33,321 --> 00:37:36,521
Speaker 4: can move. In the Queensland system, especially at R and R,

800
00:37:37,041 --> 00:37:39,121
Speaker 4: I freaked out. I've come out from the first sort

801
00:37:39,161 --> 00:37:41,841
Speaker 4: of yard time and I'm expecting this big sort of

802
00:37:42,041 --> 00:37:45,481
Speaker 4: diamond or triangle style baseball, you know that the yards

803
00:37:45,481 --> 00:37:47,121
Speaker 4: off the back of each wing, and I'm thinking, yeah,

804
00:37:47,121 --> 00:37:50,001
Speaker 4: a cool bit of grass, a bit of training, ere mate.

805
00:37:50,641 --> 00:37:54,001
Speaker 4: I'm training literally watching feet come past me as I'm

806
00:37:54,001 --> 00:37:56,001
Speaker 4: doing my push ups and sit ups and crunches and

807
00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:58,481
Speaker 4: trying to stay out of everyone's way. That's cut in

808
00:37:58,481 --> 00:38:00,881
Speaker 4: the lapse. You've got nowhere to move, you know, like

809
00:38:00,961 --> 00:38:04,721
Speaker 4: you've got eighty blokes, seventy blokes shoulder to shoulder, just

810
00:38:05,641 --> 00:38:07,681
Speaker 4: and most of them are in there for DV.

811
00:38:08,601 --> 00:38:11,641
Speaker 6: Especially some of them old blocks and R and I

812
00:38:11,841 --> 00:38:14,201
Speaker 6: like Sea Wing and all that. Like fuck man, there's.

813
00:38:14,041 --> 00:38:16,721
Speaker 1: Some small yeah bruh.

814
00:38:16,841 --> 00:38:19,241
Speaker 4: It was pure true And when it kicks off in there,

815
00:38:20,281 --> 00:38:22,521
Speaker 4: whether you're involved or not, you just got to hope

816
00:38:22,561 --> 00:38:25,281
Speaker 4: to God that it doesn't come to wherever you are

817
00:38:25,321 --> 00:38:27,161
Speaker 4: in that tiny little yard because you just got no

818
00:38:27,281 --> 00:38:30,041
Speaker 4: choice but to kick off with it before the squad

819
00:38:30,121 --> 00:38:32,401
Speaker 4: runs in and just sprays it down.

820
00:38:32,441 --> 00:38:34,921
Speaker 1: I mean, when I was there, I won't go into

821
00:38:34,921 --> 00:38:35,281
Speaker 1: who it.

822
00:38:35,361 --> 00:38:38,881
Speaker 4: Was, but two separate groups which were on split landings

823
00:38:39,321 --> 00:38:42,401
Speaker 4: kicked off two of the trumps and mate, they cracked

824
00:38:42,401 --> 00:38:45,321
Speaker 4: their doors one morning and the screws fucked right up.

825
00:38:45,561 --> 00:38:47,481
Speaker 1: It was just an all and all out and there

826
00:38:47,521 --> 00:38:49,241
Speaker 1: was nothing anyone could do about it. They just had

827
00:38:49,241 --> 00:38:51,761
Speaker 1: to let them all go. Squad came in, sprayed everyone and.

828
00:38:51,681 --> 00:38:54,601
Speaker 4: The blokes that you've seen that you know, damn well,

829
00:38:55,121 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: very timid, very quiet, just trying to get through their day.

830
00:38:58,601 --> 00:39:00,521
Speaker 4: Next minute, mate, there's just in the thick of this

831
00:39:00,681 --> 00:39:04,401
Speaker 4: terror and it is. It's a very traumatic experience for

832
00:39:04,441 --> 00:39:05,641
Speaker 4: anybody it's not used to it.

833
00:39:06,201 --> 00:39:09,201
Speaker 6: Sometimes you can't avoid it either. People say, oh, just

834
00:39:09,321 --> 00:39:11,081
Speaker 6: you know it, make sure you stay out of trouble.

835
00:39:12,201 --> 00:39:15,761
Speaker 6: Trouble's fucking all around you.

836
00:39:16,201 --> 00:39:18,121
Speaker 4: It's only got to be somebody that doesn't like the

837
00:39:18,161 --> 00:39:20,081
Speaker 4: look at your head or the fucking color of your hair.

838
00:39:20,121 --> 00:39:23,561
Speaker 4: And next minute, rumor mill starts or table fucking somebody

839
00:39:23,601 --> 00:39:25,921
Speaker 4: not whacking something up that they think you owed and

840
00:39:26,281 --> 00:39:26,721
Speaker 4: you had.

841
00:39:26,601 --> 00:39:27,201
Speaker 1: Nothing to do.

842
00:39:27,521 --> 00:39:30,681
Speaker 4: It's huge red I want to just get into just

843
00:39:30,681 --> 00:39:32,881
Speaker 4: for context, and you know, because there's so much more

844
00:39:32,881 --> 00:39:35,401
Speaker 4: positive that I want to talk about with yourself. And

845
00:39:35,521 --> 00:39:37,601
Speaker 4: that's the purpose of having you on here, because I

846
00:39:37,641 --> 00:39:39,641
Speaker 4: feel that you know what you're offering and what you give.

847
00:39:40,401 --> 00:39:42,761
Speaker 4: So just let's let's just touch on the whack, the

848
00:39:42,761 --> 00:39:45,241
Speaker 4: big whack, and just you know, because that was the

849
00:39:45,321 --> 00:39:48,441
Speaker 4: massive change in you, wasn't it really that sort of

850
00:39:48,481 --> 00:39:49,441
Speaker 4: turned your life around?

851
00:39:49,481 --> 00:39:50,401
Speaker 1: Wasn't it the last one?

852
00:39:51,761 --> 00:39:54,841
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's like you said, that was a decent one.

853
00:39:54,921 --> 00:39:58,881
Speaker 6: That one I sat down for eleven on that one,

854
00:39:59,321 --> 00:40:02,481
Speaker 6: and that was a big turning point for me, mate,

855
00:40:02,561 --> 00:40:06,561
Speaker 6: Like it was one of them, one of them things

856
00:40:06,601 --> 00:40:10,441
Speaker 6: where I'd been a rap bag all my life. I

857
00:40:10,521 --> 00:40:13,361
Speaker 6: probably got away with a few little fucking close calls

858
00:40:13,401 --> 00:40:15,841
Speaker 6: and all that, and I'd done pretty good on a

859
00:40:15,881 --> 00:40:18,401
Speaker 6: few sentences back in the day and all that. But

860
00:40:19,201 --> 00:40:22,041
Speaker 6: then the last one cut a long story short of

861
00:40:22,081 --> 00:40:25,881
Speaker 6: blokes buddy attacked my father with a knife, kicked him

862
00:40:25,921 --> 00:40:28,321
Speaker 6: off his walking stick and held a knife till his

863
00:40:28,361 --> 00:40:32,001
Speaker 6: straight and threatened his life. And I was locked up

864
00:40:32,041 --> 00:40:36,561
Speaker 6: at the time when that happened. And I got out

865
00:40:36,641 --> 00:40:41,001
Speaker 6: eighteen months later, and Dad made me promise him that

866
00:40:41,001 --> 00:40:44,081
Speaker 6: I wouldn't go looking for old mate, and because he

867
00:40:44,161 --> 00:40:46,961
Speaker 6: wanted his son outside with him, you know, like he

868
00:40:48,121 --> 00:40:49,401
Speaker 6: didn't want me to going to.

869
00:40:49,321 --> 00:40:51,521
Speaker 5: Fucking jail, and I did.

870
00:40:51,841 --> 00:40:54,161
Speaker 6: I promised him that I took a bit of a

871
00:40:55,361 --> 00:40:57,681
Speaker 6: I had whatever his however he'd say it like I

872
00:40:57,721 --> 00:41:00,001
Speaker 6: took a bit of fucking talking to to get me

873
00:41:00,081 --> 00:41:03,721
Speaker 6: to agree to that. But I ended up saying there,

874
00:41:04,401 --> 00:41:07,081
Speaker 6: I won't go looking for him. And I was out

875
00:41:07,081 --> 00:41:10,721
Speaker 6: for seven months. Then this one night, I just I

876
00:41:10,761 --> 00:41:14,721
Speaker 6: was a in a house with a few people having

877
00:41:14,801 --> 00:41:17,521
Speaker 6: drinks and all that, and this one blake he'd done

878
00:41:17,561 --> 00:41:19,881
Speaker 6: the wrong thing by me, and I sort of had

879
00:41:19,881 --> 00:41:22,001
Speaker 6: a go at him about it, and I don't know,

880
00:41:22,121 --> 00:41:24,841
Speaker 6: he must have just sort of, I don't know, he

881
00:41:24,921 --> 00:41:26,881
Speaker 6: must have got a bit scared or whatever. And then

882
00:41:26,921 --> 00:41:28,721
Speaker 6: he just was trying to make it up to me

883
00:41:28,841 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 6: and said, I know where old mate is, the one

884
00:41:31,961 --> 00:41:34,441
Speaker 6: that got your dad. I'm like, well, I do you

885
00:41:34,561 --> 00:41:36,881
Speaker 6: really you know? And I was already in a bad mood.

886
00:41:36,921 --> 00:41:39,041
Speaker 6: I had a couple of drinks under my belt as well,

887
00:41:39,121 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 6: and that was it. It was just like it got

888
00:41:42,481 --> 00:41:46,441
Speaker 6: presented to me at the wrong time. And then I said, well,

889
00:41:46,921 --> 00:41:49,561
Speaker 6: let's jump in the car, let's go around and see

890
00:41:49,561 --> 00:41:53,241
Speaker 6: where this bloke is. And sure enough I found him,

891
00:41:53,281 --> 00:41:57,921
Speaker 6: and yeah, I sort of he was asleep at his

892
00:41:58,121 --> 00:42:00,281
Speaker 6: cousin's place. The lad who took me around there, it

893
00:42:00,321 --> 00:42:03,921
Speaker 6: was his cousin's place, and this blake was there, and

894
00:42:04,281 --> 00:42:07,801
Speaker 6: he was asleep in his cousin's room. And this is

895
00:42:07,881 --> 00:42:10,481
Speaker 6: like three point thirty four o'clock in the morning or something,

896
00:42:10,681 --> 00:42:12,801
Speaker 6: and he took me around there and I just sort

897
00:42:12,801 --> 00:42:15,721
Speaker 6: of whilst into this fucking room and there he was

898
00:42:15,801 --> 00:42:19,321
Speaker 6: just laying there, So I punched him to wake him up,

899
00:42:19,361 --> 00:42:21,161
Speaker 6: and then punched him and fucking put him back to

900
00:42:21,201 --> 00:42:24,041
Speaker 6: bed again. And I punched him until I couldn't left

901
00:42:24,041 --> 00:42:28,801
Speaker 6: my arms anymore, you know, Like I had to roll

902
00:42:28,881 --> 00:42:31,801
Speaker 6: off him and then sit back up to get back

903
00:42:31,841 --> 00:42:34,801
Speaker 6: to my feet because I couldn't push with my arms

904
00:42:34,841 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 6: to stand back up again.

905
00:42:36,081 --> 00:42:38,041
Speaker 5: I just had nothing left in my arms.

906
00:42:38,961 --> 00:42:42,601
Speaker 6: Imagine, like he probably wouldn't have been looking the best

907
00:42:42,601 --> 00:42:46,641
Speaker 6: by the fucking end of that. Yeah, And that's that's

908
00:42:46,681 --> 00:42:48,401
Speaker 6: when they got me for that, mate. They let me

909
00:42:48,441 --> 00:42:51,081
Speaker 6: go for about a month. I was ducking and weaving

910
00:42:51,161 --> 00:42:54,361
Speaker 6: for a bit, but then I don't know, after about

911
00:42:54,401 --> 00:42:58,001
Speaker 6: a month, like they weren't they could have come and

912
00:42:58,041 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 6: got me. I was on parole at the time as well,

913
00:43:00,561 --> 00:43:02,481
Speaker 6: and I had to sign in once a month, and

914
00:43:03,761 --> 00:43:07,041
Speaker 6: I ended up going to sign in and I had

915
00:43:07,081 --> 00:43:10,641
Speaker 6: to signing weekly. Sorry, And I went and signed in.

916
00:43:11,441 --> 00:43:14,241
Speaker 6: They didn't grab me, and I'm like all right, And

917
00:43:14,281 --> 00:43:18,041
Speaker 6: then next week I went sign I did that three

918
00:43:18,121 --> 00:43:21,881
Speaker 6: weeks in a row, mate, and then on the fourth week, Yeah,

919
00:43:21,441 --> 00:43:23,481
Speaker 6: they are waiting for me then.

920
00:43:23,441 --> 00:43:23,521
Speaker 4: So.

921
00:43:25,001 --> 00:43:27,681
Speaker 6: And that's when I that was the last time I

922
00:43:27,761 --> 00:43:30,961
Speaker 6: seen the fucking the light mate for eleven.

923
00:43:31,001 --> 00:43:35,761
Speaker 4: After that, that is where we'll wrap part one next time.

924
00:43:35,841 --> 00:43:38,601
Speaker 4: On the Clink, Dean walks out of prison into a

925
00:43:38,601 --> 00:43:42,001
Speaker 4: world that's completely changed and discovers that getting out was

926
00:43:42,041 --> 00:43:44,801
Speaker 4: only half the battle that's coming up next week.

927
00:43:44,961 --> 00:43:48,601
Speaker 2: On the Clink, Photo Record, I don't try and make

928
00:43:48,641 --> 00:43:51,161
Speaker 2: you uncomfortable, Photo Record.

929
00:43:51,241 --> 00:43:52,681
Speaker 5: You ain't trying world and stuff.

930
00:43:52,401 --> 00:43:55,761
Speaker 2: For your photo record. Lab on me going hard the

931
00:43:55,801 --> 00:43:59,561
Speaker 2: way photo record. Ain't trying to link, No, trying to wish.

932
00:44:00,641 --> 00:44:02,041
Speaker 5: Record for.

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00:44:05,241 --> 00:44:09,161
Speaker 3: Forto reckon, Yeah for the right, Yeah for the record

934
00:44:10,121 --> 00:44:10,761
Speaker 3: for the reckon

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Speaker 4: H