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Speaker 1: legendary Australian band Human Nature, the Tierney Brothers are joining

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Speaker 1: me Andrew and Michael, and they do so after this

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Speaker 1: week since twenty thirteen. Something you here on this show

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Speaker 1: That is what we're here to do. My name' Zoshi Ginsberg.

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Speaker 1: for getting around Story Club. Just a few tickets left

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Speaker 1: for this Sunday nights show. You can get the tickets

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Speaker 1: guests today are the brothers from Human Nature that Mike Andrew,

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Speaker 1: the perfect boy Band Radio ID and Plus if you've

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Speaker 1: first five minutes, all in a conversation about pop music.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long time.

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Speaker 1: It has been a little bit. Look, honestly, I don't

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was good. Yeah, really selective school.

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Speaker 3: And I think we always always have a respect for

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Speaker 3: You know that when Andrew was saying talking about sort

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Speaker 2: How do we continue working through this?

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Speaker 3: So it's I think we all just kind of had

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Speaker 1: Well, but the way that you've navigated to that is extraordinary.

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Speaker 4: We tried not to take it personally. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: a tour as the Titny Brothers, and we kind of

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00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,119
Speaker 4: we were looking at the Opera House and it's like, well,

443
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Speaker 4: your entry fee is this.

444
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who you are and what you're doing.

445
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,119
Speaker 4: It's like, it's a really we've got to think, Okay,

446
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,199
Speaker 4: let's be humble about this, are you know? And so

447
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 4: you're right you kind of the business side of things, well,

448
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 4: it'd be it'd look great to be playing this opera house,

449
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,160
Speaker 4: but you're going to lose money. Yeah, unless you feel

450
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 4: it you know those those kind of conversations and thoughts

451
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 4: are real.

452
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Speaker 1: The thing that I do love about you guys, which

453
00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,440
Speaker 1: one of my other one of my favorite bands the world,

454
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 1: is handsome. All Right, I really I think they are incredible.

455
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 1: They're still going mate. They were independent after their second album.

456
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: They've been independent since since two thousand and two. And

457
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,439
Speaker 1: the way that they have run that enterprise and the

458
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 1: way that they connect with their fans and the way

459
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 1: that they service their fan base is unbelievable. All Right,

460
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 1: as you've gone along, and as you guys have progressed,

461
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Speaker 1: talk to me about what it is to look after

462
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 1: the people that will buy that ticket and will come

463
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Speaker 1: and like if you're going to see the opera house

464
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Speaker 1: and we picked like tickets one hundred and eighty bucks,

465
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Speaker 1: the people that will go, No, of course I'm going

466
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Speaker 1: to spend that because I love those guys and I

467
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 1: always have a great time. Over the years, What have

468
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 1: you learned about looking after that core people who always

469
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Speaker 1: come to see you every time you come down.

470
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Speaker 3: I think that that's probably one of been one of

471
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Speaker 3: the biggest I happening things for us, kind of moving

472
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Speaker 3: into the whole, you know, the social media age, because

473
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 3: I mean when we in the nineties and in early

474
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 3: two thousands of you know, the social media wasn't a thing.

475
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 3: It was like Facebook was just starting and then so

476
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 3: just getting I guess our heads around that. I think

477
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 3: social media is just it's become that great way to

478
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 3: look after those fans that really love you and they

479
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: want to they want to find out everything about you,

480
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 3: and they particularly with what Andrew and I have been doing.

481
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 3: That's we've kind of tried to get an understanding of

482
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 3: that's how this works for us, you know, because I

483
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 3: think that for a long time it was like, oh,

484
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 3: why do we have to do this on so why

485
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 3: do we have to make these silly tiktoks?

486
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: Why do we have to talk to But it's like

487
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 2: now you kind of get it.

488
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 3: It's like it's to really service those people who've been

489
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Speaker 3: supporting you for you know, and the hardcore fans who

490
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Speaker 3: will go and buy a ticket, who'll kind of listen

491
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Speaker 3: to your song on the first day it's out, you know,

492
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 3: And it's I think we've learned that probably over the

493
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Speaker 3: last few years, that how important that is to keep

494
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Speaker 3: those people interested, you know, and keep giving them things

495
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 3: that that will keep them interested.

496
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Speaker 4: Probably in the early days we took it for granted

497
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Speaker 4: a little bit. I think in stores and stuff, are

498
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Speaker 4: five thousand people screaming and we've got to sign all

499
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Speaker 4: their CDs and it's like a few of them, and yeah,

500
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Speaker 4: you know, if only five thousand people at a shopping

501
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 4: center coming to do stuff. But we were kind of young,

502
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 4: and so much of that stuff that happened in the

503
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 4: early days we really just going. We worked hard, but

504
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 4: there was an expectation that that that's what happens. You know,

505
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 4: you get signed us any music, and you tour with

506
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson, and you put your album out and of

507
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 4: course and that's what happens. And then the second album comes

508
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 4: in at number one, and that you know.

509
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: What happened.

510
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Speaker 2: That's what happens. So now, like.

511
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Speaker 4: You know, thirty six years later, we're kind of thinking

512
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 4: that some of those fans are still there and were

513
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 4: so appreciative of them, and whatever we can do to

514
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Speaker 4: kind of like give them more information about what we're

515
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Speaker 4: doing or kind of feel that they're appreciated is we'll

516
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Speaker 4: do it.

517
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Speaker 1: And that's but that's where any product, any great business

518
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: will do. They will look after their loyal customers. True

519
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: and the trick there is to never give them a

520
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: reason to lose that. Yeah, you've seen this industry change

521
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: like so much. When did you first notice that things

522
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Speaker 1: were shifting?

523
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Speaker 4: When we came back and started to want to do

524
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Speaker 4: a reach No music again, it was a really big

525
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 4: change because we've done all these covers albums with Human

526
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Speaker 4: Nature and there was a real acceptance of that, and

527
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 4: you know, people are still buying CDs and so you

528
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 4: could still get that. But then I think our audience

529
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 4: had changed and they weren't kind of the people that

530
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Speaker 4: were doing original pop music. It was a whole different

531
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Speaker 4: demographic that were kind of on streaming and we really

532
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 4: hadn't focused on that.

533
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Speaker 3: It's kind of changed in a in a head spinning

534
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 3: kind of way. You know, it's literally nothing like it was.

535
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 3: Kind of feels a little bit like you you're just

536
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 3: giving it away a little bit, you know, I mean,

537
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Speaker 3: it just feels like you make the music and it's.

538
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Speaker 1: Like here everyone.

539
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Speaker 3: It's kind of a strange thing to get your head around,

540
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 3: particularly when you've come from where we where we were,

541
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Speaker 3: you know, when you go out and sell CDs and.

542
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Speaker 1: Like the bass player from Australian Crawl lives in a

543
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Speaker 1: nice house. Yeah, you know, he probably didn't write any

544
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: of the songs, but like, hey, he got performance mechanical

545
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: performance royalties every time that song played, and radio every time,

546
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: the license whatever. Those guys made money and they never

547
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: really made it big outside Australia, but they made money.

548
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: They enough made enough money to be shipped and but

549
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: they did band made enough money to be shit enough

550
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: to go and play and be oh, now we're better

551
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: and now we're even better better second album, you know,

552
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: but that doesn't exist now, which I feel.

553
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: For new artists now. It's it's a tough world to

554
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 3: break into. And I think because because of the streaming

555
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 3: well too, you get so much more from music all

556
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: over the world, you know, and then the US you know,

557
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: takes over the streaming charts and spondu. So it's just

558
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 3: to try and break through that as a local artist.

559
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: It's a it's a tough.

560
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: I know the answer this question, you might, but do

561
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Speaker 1: you know the last time an Australian band was number

562
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: one in Australia single?

563
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 4: No, I mean an advanced joy with rip tight is

564
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 4: still banned.

565
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: No band, I don't know.

566
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: I got your clue. One of them. One of them

567
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: now makes money with the largest musical franchise Exportersustralia's ever made.

568
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: Not five sous is it.

569
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Speaker 1: It was Justice Crewe in twenty fourteen. That was the

570
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: last time an Australian band had a number one.

571
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: Wow.

572
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: And now Big Strong John is making money with Wiggles. Yeah,

573
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: I've seen him in the week, but that's the that's

574
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: the only guy still like, isn't that fucking nss like?

575
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: Only because I heard you talk about it does get

576
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with the American thing and this does kind of

577
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: freak me out a bit, going, Yeah, but we sing

578
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: our own songs about our own life and what our

579
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: own culture is like, and what it is to be

580
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: an Australian and be an Australian parent, or be an

581
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Speaker 1: Australian in love, or be an Australian going for a

582
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: drive in the car with your friends. But now all these,

583
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, those songs we've heard from other kind of

584
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: cultural center points and it's odd.

585
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 2: And the other thing is like the entry level for

586
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: music is so low.

587
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: Now you can release you know, we could record a

588
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 4: song right now and release it and be on Spotify

589
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 4: tomorrow through distroc cute or whatever. But then you look

590
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 4: at the world, there's there's probably ten big songs in

591
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 4: the whole world. Everyone's listening to the same songs, and

592
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 4: it's kind of so there's millions and millions of songs

593
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: being released, but then because of streaming, there's actually only

594
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 4: ten big ones in the whole world, you know, whether

595
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 4: it's Benson Boone and Teddy Swims and Sabrina Carpenter, but

596
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 4: that's they're big everywhere, all right, man, So.

597
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: Why are we making music, guys?

598
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: Well, because I mean, why am I not in a

599
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: corporate job? Because I don't know how to do anything else,

600
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: and I can't do anything else. And I'm sure it's

601
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: crossed your mind that there's probably an opportunity somewhere in

602
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: one of your mates on LinkedIn's gone, you know what,

603
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: you'd be really good for this? You want to try

604
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: those out? Like, yeah, but I can't do anything else.

605
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, and I don't want to with Mike

606
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 4: and I doing this record, and it's kind of, you know,

607
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 4: what are our hopes and realities for this record? It's

608
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 4: kind of it's a big music world out there, and

609
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 4: hopefully all the human nature fans will love what we're doing.

610
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 4: Hopefully we'll discover a new fan base, but the reality

611
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 4: is maybe not. You know, I don't know. But we're

612
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 4: still doing it because we just love it. Yeah, you know,

613
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 4: we want to do it and it makes my daughter smile.

614
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: You know. The dad's a singer, you know. And I

615
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: did this, We do this stupid.

616
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 4: TikTok the other day where we're seeing Peace Pony Club

617
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 4: in a in a stairwell and I showed it to

618
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 4: Vile and said that that's what daddy did today for work.

619
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Speaker 2: She thought, that's cool, Dad. I love it.

620
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: Well, I love it.

621
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

622
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: I did think about you a lot when I did

623
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: when I watched that Loup Hellman doc. I think it

624
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: was such a bold thing that as an Australian you went,

625
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: you know what, we're going to do that too. I mean,

626
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: because what you were putting out was you yeah, you

627
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: were doing a world class product, comparable to someone who

628
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: had literally zeros on the budget of the marketing and development.

629
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: You're right, and you were doing it and you were

630
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: going note for note in the in the charts with

631
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: these guys, and I thought, that's, like, that's a bold

632
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: thing to go and march out the front door and.

633
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 4: Do Actually, when we first came out, we didn't know

634
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 4: the Backstreet Boys were out.

635
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: It's so bizarrely.

636
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 4: We'd put out a song called got It Going On

637
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 4: and they had a song called You've Got It Going On.

638
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 2: It was like, why we got the same song time.

639
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 4: I mean, that was a song market I'd written and

640
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: wasn't even because we'd heard the Backstorpt Boys song.

641
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: Just we're on the same page. The mid was the nineties.

642
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: That was this thing. You'd say, hey, you got it going.

643
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: On and that's how Dad met Mum. Just a quick

644
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: break to say that if you're listening to this on

645
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: the day, the Teeny Brothers, I believe they're playing gigs

646
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: tonight in Brisbane and they've got gig in Sydney by

647
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: the end of this week. You can find the you

648
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: know those tickets where you find those tickets. But we'll

649
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: be right back after this break. Let's just say, for example,

650
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: just out of nowhere, there's people watching this, and you

651
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: know what, I want to start a boy band. What

652
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: are the five things people need to know about doing

653
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: the perfect boy band?

654
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 4: Id idd well, it's kind of cool if you can.

655
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 4: You got to go name Jack, Hey, I'm Andrew Phil

656
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 4: and all together. And if you really want to tickle

657
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 4: the producers, you'll put a song at the end of

658
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 4: it and you're listening to ninety six y.

659
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Speaker 3: Five Oh wow, harmonize it and then they'll.

660
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: Play it all the time. That's the play that you're

661
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: hope they'll play it all the time.

662
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: Is there any physicality with this if, like if you're

663
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: being filmed?

664
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: Funny story talking about that whole But when we went

665
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: to when we did the over to Germany, because that

666
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: Germany was where that all the loved it music.

667
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: Kind of out.

668
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: The phenomenon exploded from there. But when we went over there,

669
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: we didn't realize that we we weren't as boy band

670
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: as the other boy bands, like we were a bit

671
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: more kind of reserved, I guess, because everywhere every photo

672
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: we did that was.

673
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Oh point finger point finger.

674
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't know Japanese photographers in Germany, but.

675
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: That was my German accent. Sorry it kind of sounds,

676
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: and we.

677
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: Were in Japan it was the same photography geographers, but.

678
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: It's like all the actions that you had to do

679
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: in the in your photos, it was like we would

680
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: just stand there and it was like, no, that's not

681
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but everyone had.

682
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: We make action you make at the camera, right, but everyone.

683
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: Then you'd go and look at a magazine and every

684
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: boy band would do these same boses in metal.

685
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: In heavy metal, it's holding the bag of oranges, holding

686
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: the bag of oranges, and in the kind of mid

687
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: nineties it was holding invisible watermelon.

688
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, all right, straight out.

689
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: The lens with two hands like that. Yeah, that was.

690
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 5: A boy band just it was just the cameras And

691
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 5: if I really cared, I would put some muscularity into

692
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 5: my arm, but I don't that much because I'm bad.

693
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

694
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: We really rebelled against the whole boy band thing. At

695
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 4: the time, we didn't realize we would. We're kind of

696
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: pushing against what we probably needed to do to be bigger.

697
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we just resisted.

698
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: For a while and then the sleeves came off.

699
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: Well, you had that song hit I Love You, which

700
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 4: was massive, and it was like it was like our

701
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 4: viral moment. I think it took us. We were in

702
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 4: the UK at the time we released the song. We

703
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 4: had no idea how big that song was becoming. It

704
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 4: was kind of cool.

705
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: As parents and you know, you start having kids and

706
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: stuff like that, life can change fairly quickly. I mean,

707
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: is your daughter the eldest in the band, or is.

708
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: There Phil's got an older, just slightly older daughter as well.

709
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: But how did that change for you the way that

710
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: you related to you know, this thing you dedicated your

711
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: life to and this thing that you've got these other

712
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: three people in your life, these are the men that

713
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: you've kind of on the same journey has How did

714
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: that start to you know, I'm interested to hear as

715
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: a dad, you know, how did that maybe change the

716
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: way you looked at things?

717
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: At the time that you know, I started a family,

718
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: we were actually very having that regular Vegas gig, which

719
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: was a really good thing because we get to we

720
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: weren't having to go out on tour constantly. We were

721
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: able to do what we did at night and come

722
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: home and you know, pretty much have a regular life,

723
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: you know, which was I feel pretty blessed that we

724
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: was able to do that and be there for such

725
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: a all my daughters, you know, growing up. I was

726
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: there for for so much of it. So and I

727
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: don't know his stories of bands that you know, basically

728
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: they were never home when the kids were growing up.

729
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: For me, I had to think about it a lot

730
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: when the TV stuff went away, Like what is it

731
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: that I do? I connect with people through performance? Through

732
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: this through like that's whether it's mask batch, you know,

733
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: doing a keynote. That's what I enjoyed doing and that's

734
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: what I think I'm quite good at and I'm better

735
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: than other people because people pay me to do it

736
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: than other people. That I have to take there that

737
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: as evidence against the imposter thing that does shop with

738
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: me as well. What is the thing that is at

739
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: the core of what it is that you you do?

740
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean, is it different? Do you think it's the

741
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: same thing people?

742
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 4: I actually think about that a lot, you know, because

743
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 4: I think about the gifts that I've been given and

744
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: you know, am I using them the right way? And

745
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: is there some gift I haven't been tapped into yet?

746
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: But no, I really think it is for me. It's

747
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 4: my ability to make music and just see people be

748
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 4: happy when when I do it, you know, whether it's

749
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: with Mike and I with this new album, it's been

750
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 4: able to do that and people saying I love this song,

751
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 4: I love that It's like wow, that's cool, or with

752
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 4: human nature they love watching us perform, so I feel

753
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 4: it is that's that's why I do what I do.

754
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: And what about you.

755
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: Mike, Yeah, I guess it's that that ability to be

756
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: able to make people feel something. We've written songs, we've

757
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: interpreted songs, and I guess it's it's the way that

758
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: we've been able to reach people with the way we

759
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: sing and the way we perform that it's really kind

760
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: of I guess that's I feel like that's probably the

761
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: gift that's been able to continue giving. Performing live is

762
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: just yeah, I get a buzz out of it.

763
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: Still, the business has changed so much, so I was

764
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: trying to think about, you know, as we're getting ready

765
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: to do for this today, I was thinking a lot

766
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: about what is the business of music? What are you

767
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: actually selling? You're selling symmetrical vibrations of air, particular combination

768
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: of them, the last for three minutes and thirty seconds.

769
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: But what is the result of those symmetrical vibrations of air.

770
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: It's an emotional response in the person that listens to it,

771
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: all right, and you buy it, you are, I guess

772
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: you're buying an injection of that emotion, the feeling of

773
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: when I listened to that Angel song for example. That's

774
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: the feeling I get, and it can change gears for me.

775
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: Whether you're having a good day and it gets better

776
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: when you play your favorite song, or you're having a

777
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, a bad day and you put that song

778
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh yeah, that's that's what I needed.

779
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: Or you're having a sad day and you play a

780
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: sad song and you're like, this is good. Someone else feels.

781
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: That's what the money's for, you know, to quite don draper.

782
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: You know, that's what people pay for.

783
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 2: It's funny.

784
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: I've watched back because you know, we do what we

785
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: do and just get it done. And sometimes I watch

786
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 4: back a video, like someone said the show is really

787
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: good tonight or something, and so I watched back a

788
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: video of us performing and try and look at it objectively,

789
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: and sometimes I think, wow, we're really good. I get

790
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 4: I understand why people cheer at that point in the

791
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: show because I was like, oh shit, that's really good.

792
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 4: Like I would probably cheer at that point even if

793
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 4: I didn't like those guys.

794
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: I think, okay, you got me. So it's kind of cool.

795
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: It's the thousands and thousands of hours of doing it

796
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: that you understand what are the bits that get those responses,

797
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: getting that instant feedback, putting it together, and subconsciously that

798
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: all kind of comes together. And that's why that's what

799
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: it is, you know, when you have an experienced performer

800
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: on stage. Which the other you real sad part about

801
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: venues going away is that bands get huge with no

802
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: live experience and then you go buy a ticket to

803
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: the show and then ship mate, this is not this

804
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: is not fun. I'm not having a good time.

805
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I mean, I don't think people

806
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 3: really fully appreciate that in a live show that there's

807
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: a there is a craft to putting something together that

808
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: that really is entertaining. And it's you know, when you

809
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: go and see these seasoned acts have been touring for

810
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: years and you kind of you get it. You know,

811
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, you go and see Bruce Bringsteen or

812
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: you go and see and it's like the way he

813
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: makes you feel, the way he turns you what, you know,

814
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: all those great acts, the way you know, I mean,

815
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: remember I went to see Prince probably one of the

816
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: best concerts I ever saw, you know, in the nineties,

817
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 3: and and just you know.

818
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: He was funny, he was kind of.

819
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: And don't understand how hilarious he was. And that's a

820
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: big hard of making people. Drawing people in is just

821
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: you know, have a laugh with someone, you know, say

822
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: something funny that's cool and oh my god, just those

823
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: little things, or do it just do a song at

824
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: a piano, just break it right down and do something

825
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: really cool like that. So, you know, I think that's

826
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: something we've learned over the years, is that craft of

827
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: you how to really draw people in and entertain them

828
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 3: and make them have a really great night. And I

829
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: think that's yeah, I think that's something that we've we've

830
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: got better and better at over the years.

831
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: I love it.

832
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: Man will Edison told a story about going to see

833
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: Prince at the LA Forum when he did thirty nights there,

834
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: and he was the obvious the only white guy in

835
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: the room himself, because over here Princess a pop pact.

836
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: Over there, he's a black act. As we went and

837
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 1: he watched Prince with the piano part of that particular tour,

838
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: and he sat down he played the open in chords

839
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: of Raspberry bereng went, oh.

840
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: Not enough time.

841
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I had not enough time, And he

842
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: sat and played dun dun d d d d don't

843
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: the opening riff of Manic Monday, which he wrote and

844
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: too many hits like you fucker the balls.

845
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: It was.

846
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: There's something about that because then you get the moment

847
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: of like, ah, that's a moment that only happened here,

848
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: and happened because I got this ticket, and happened because

849
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm here with this person in the same room, bring

850
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: in the same air. It's it's it's a lovely thing.

851
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: Over the years when and there's always friction between brothers,

852
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: what have you found that is the thing that you

853
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: want people to know about friction between siblings and what

854
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: works and what doesn't work. What have you discovered because

855
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: there's a lot riding on your relationship work.

856
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike and I get on amazingly well, I don't know,

857
00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: I mean, we like Mike's he's got this passive aggressive nature,

858
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: like you'll kind of say things to me and kind

859
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: of think there'll be moments where we kind of have

860
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 4: this tension, but then I think we shake it off

861
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: pretty easily.

862
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is good.

863
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: I think grace it's a big, big thing just you know,

864
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: giving someone that the time to you know, if you

865
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: if there's some something you're uncomfortable about with each other.

866
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: You just give each other time and just kind of

867
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: understand that. You know, we're different people and the way

868
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: we deal with we deal with things is different, you know.

869
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: But then at the end of the day, we just

870
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: there's a lot of love there. So it's kind of,

871
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 3: you know, no matter what happens, it's kind of that.

872
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: That's the overwhelming, I guess sense between us.

873
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: I think as weird.

874
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 4: We like, without even knowing it, like so much of

875
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 4: the same things, Like you know, everyone, I didn't realize it,

876
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 4: but apparently all we'll always order the same kind of

877
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: meals and same drinks and stuff like that.

878
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: It's like people know that, but I didn't.

879
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 4: Mike and Edward they'll always have the fried rice and okay,

880
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 4: oh they'll always have a diet coke or something.

881
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: So and we like the same movies. We're like the

882
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: same music.

883
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 4: So that's kind of a we're probably more similar than

884
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 4: we are dissimilar, which has been a good thing.

885
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: Will you ordered the same drinks until a couple of

886
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: years back, we talk about that. We speak today. I

887
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: mean today is the fifteenth sober Birthday. Today when people

888
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: get sober. In the community that I'm in, they count that.

889
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: They call it a birthday in that like, because the

890
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: way that it works is that, because the way your

891
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: memories work, you don't really do any learning when you're drinking.

892
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: And so all the growing up I've done, have done

893
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: since I was thirty six, you know, can you talk

894
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: about that? Can you talk about that? You know, when

895
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: you realized I'm going to have to make a change here,

896
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: when you realized it was something that you couldn't really

897
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: keep keep a handle on it anymore.

898
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 4: I still feel like I'm dealing with it, you know,

899
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 4: just just because it's like, you know, a few years ago,

900
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 4: I had a bit of a relapse and happened started

901
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: drinking again, and Mike, you know, caught me doing it.

902
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 4: Ah and so and I yeah, I don't know. I

903
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: don't know if I may drink again, I don't know.

904
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: It's still weird. It's weird to me. So I don't

905
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 4: want to be this postaboy of like sobriety or stuff,

906
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: because I don't feel like a.

907
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm not out of the woods, I know, but I

908
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: don't think And that's a big part of why, you know,

909
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: some people remain anonymous. I'll squirt around that because the

910
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: idea is that, oh, that person said they were sober

911
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: and then they fell off the wagon and they started

912
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: drinking using again, so therefore that thing doesn't work. Well,

913
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: look it does, but it's everyone's own journey. Then let

914
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: me ask you this question. So you and I both sober,

915
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: what is it that your life has without drinking that

916
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: wasn't there when you were.

917
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 4: I'm much more humble. I think I was pretty arrogant.

918
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 4: I used to think I was incredibly funny when I

919
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: was a drinker. I thought I was like the life

920
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 4: of the party, and I wanted to be that. I

921
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: thought it was like a just really good and I

922
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: can think of some of the things I used to

923
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 4: say to people, and I thought that I was a

924
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 4: genius and I was like there, it was like Winston

925
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 4: Churchill when I was drunk, so and I missed that

926
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 4: a little bit, like because I thought I was a genius,

927
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 4: but I'm not that person, Like I'm actually not that smart,

928
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 4: I'm not that wise.

929
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: So it was just the drinkers gave me.

930
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 4: This confidence to be yeah, arrogant, I think, and I

931
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: don't have that anymore. I've got more grace, I think,

932
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't have been nearly as good as dad

933
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: as I am if if I was drinking.

934
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: Now, I can't imagine. This is the thing.

935
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 4: I waking up and not being able to deal with

936
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 4: my daughter because I had to hangover. Yeah, I think

937
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 4: that would be really, really tough, and I I guess

938
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 4: I would have, you know, I would have had to

939
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 4: deal with her.

940
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 2: And why is dadda?

941
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: I remember Isabelle after Halloween and I wrote myself off

942
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: for Halloween and I was on the lounge. I couldn't

943
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: clean up the house and stuff, and Isabelle and Mike's

944
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 4: girl said why is uncle?

945
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: What's wrong with uncle?

946
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: And my wife just said, oh, he's just sick. But

947
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 4: I will never forget that was like she saw me,

948
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: like it was like just this disgrace, right, And I'm

949
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 4: just so thankful via let's not see me be that disgrace.

950
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, So I'm grateful for that.

951
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: And when you spend so much time in a city

952
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: like Las Vegas, where some people get off the plane

953
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: and you know it's on. Oh yeah, there's a poker

954
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: machine outside the fucking gate. There's someone there with the

955
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: tequila shot.

956
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: If you want.

957
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: Obviously, that is incredibly valuable to you, because like that

958
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: relationship with your daughter and that kind of person that

959
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: you want to stay being is way more valuable than

960
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: anything of that city could have to offer.

961
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

962
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I remember there was a time because we

963
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 4: used to do shots before the shows, and we do

964
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 4: shows every night, and I remember someone saying, someone's going

965
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: to have.

966
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: A problem at some point.

967
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna have a problem.

968
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: Right.

969
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 4: We had this sign up, we christened out dressing room Shotsville,

970
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 4: and then here I am this guy that's you know,

971
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 4: he's dressing with Shotsville, and I'm still kind of feeling

972
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 4: like I haven't i haven't beaten it. Yeah, you know,

973
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: I got checked into my hotel and I've got to

974
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 4: look at the bottle of wine they put on my table.

975
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: No, that's rookie move.

976
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 4: And sometimes it's like it's a test, but it's there,

977
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: and it's like I'm not going to drink it, but

978
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 4: it's there, and it's still talking to me.

979
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: Years and I still get to take them. I still

980
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: them anywhere. It's just I'm never going to do it

981
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: because I'm not willing to lose the life that I've built.

982
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: But it does take up a lot of ram I

983
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: get the spinny beach. I'd rather just you know, relax

984
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: and not have that.

985
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that there and.

986
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: It isn't How do I put this to you to

987
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, I I'm not as far as I'm aware,

988
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: Like today, I'm not going to drink and that's it.

989
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: I just have to get to bed tonight. It's not

990
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. But that's all I've done everything.

991
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 4: I guess that's coming back to this winen and how

992
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 4: many days you sober? And I don't want to count them.

993
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: Because it's just today's today, that's it.

994
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not saying that people when they

995
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: say they haven't drunk for two hundred days, I can't say.

996
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: Sometimes I want to call bull shit, right because I

997
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 4: don't know. I thought if I was counting days, if

998
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 4: I counted days from when I was sober to now,

999
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 4: I don't know when I'd have to start and stop, right.

1000
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: I haven't had this constant journey, uh huh.

1001
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, but if I get through today and you know,

1002
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 4: get three years today, get through the other.

1003
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: Days, and we get gone.

1004
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's you know, to a bedtime. Sometimes it's I

1005
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: reckon I can do till I know there's a part

1006
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: of my brain that's still screaming for this every now

1007
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: and again. But I can do the next five minutes

1008
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: without that, all right, I reckon, I can get till

1009
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: eleven oh six, yep, And then at eleven o six,

1010
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: I'll see if that thought's still there. Sometimes it's that

1011
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: and still, you know, fifteen years later, still it's like that.

1012
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: But it's what you were talking about before, the person

1013
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: that I get to be for these kids once twenty

1014
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: one one's five. I'm so lucky that I was told

1015
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: her is like you wouldn't not wan have wanted to

1016
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: be anywhere near me when I was drinky, Like they

1017
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: wouldn't even looked at me twice, you know. And I'm

1018
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: so grateful that Gee's never seen that in me, and

1019
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: he's never seen.

1020
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: I think one of the good things now today, I think,

1021
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 3: particularly now, it's so much more acceptable now, and it's

1022
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: kind of you can be cool with it now. It's

1023
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: just interesting seeing even in just in the culture and

1024
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: people bringing out these you know, alcohol free beers.

1025
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: And bad man I can't even ten years ago, whatever

1026
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: it would have been, I can't touch it.

1027
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: But it's like but that's that's a cool thing now,

1028
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: like it's a it's a and people are kind of

1029
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: where that lifestyle as a badge and of.

1030
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: Honor twenty four dollars for a basic spirit. You know.

1031
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: So g when she goes out with their mates, like

1032
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: they don't really drink because they can't too expense.

1033
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 4: No, I do when we go out because Mike and

1034
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 4: you know, regard as a family a lot. And Mike

1035
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 4: and Andrew have cocktail and I wish Heather and I

1036
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 4: could too, But you know, I just know it's not

1037
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 4: that easy.

1038
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 2: Well, I just don't know I could have one.

1039
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: I thought there was a time when, but no, I

1040
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 4: just wish I could be that person because it was

1041
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: fun and it's a nice social thing, but it's just

1042
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: not for me.

1043
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's tricky to understand that for people

1044
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: who don't have that, But yeah, I coming to understand.

1045
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, but I'm glad you did.

1046
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: But I'm glad. It's just interesting.

1047
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 4: Mike sets everywhere, whether Tom Holland or it's been atle Cor,

1048
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 4: it's all these people, Robbie Williams, like it's just like

1049
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 4: does everyone have a problem, you know what I mean? Like, no,

1050
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 4: they don't because I you know, I can see Mike doesn't.

1051
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's a lot of people and particularly in

1052
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 4: our industry too, whether there's Liam Payne from one direction,

1053
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 4: I'm just so glad that my life didn't go or

1054
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 4: I had people around me to to kind of steer

1055
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: me in the right direction that they can't go that way,

1056
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 4: you know.

1057
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: But it's like it's everywhere.

1058
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: It is, and yet here you are. You've you've got

1059
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: to hear and you've got a record out, and your

1060
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: brother together, and you're hanging out with your kids and

1061
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: it's lovely.

1062
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1063
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: But I'm glad you guys are still making music, you know,

1064
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: because it's it's just you've got to do it. You

1065
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: got to you got to put it out there because

1066
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, I really hope it works. If it doesn't,

1067
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm just glad that you did it as a thing,

1068
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: you know.

1069
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 4: I don't think our wives are huge, huge believers in us,

1070
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: and I think they're the reason we can still do

1071
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 4: what we do because they they'd be the first to

1072
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 4: say stop it.

1073
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: You know, what are you doing? You idiots?

1074
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're they're just they're coming out to on

1075
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: this tour and they love us and for what we do,

1076
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 4: and so I think that's the that's one of the

1077
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 4: major reasons, if not the reason we keep doing it.

1078
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: It's I would not be anywhere without the fact how

1079
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: much my wife orders backed me on some of the speculation.

1080
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: Like this live show that I put together for the

1081
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: Comedy Festival. I had to build a microphone rig to

1082
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: get everyone and it's like ten grand of wireless mics,

1083
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: and she just like, do it, Absolutely, do it. This

1084
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: is a good show.

1085
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: You should do it.

1086
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: Okay, honey.

1087
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1088
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing confidence when your wife says do it?

1089
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 4: It's amazing. It's like you think, Okay, I'm going to

1090
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 4: do it. Yeah, let's go, let's really do it.

1091
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: Then this is not like the thing that it wasn't

1092
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: on the list that I brought home from Bunnings because.

1093
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: One of them.

1094
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: It's not that it's the other thing.

1095
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 4: It was like these shows, like these shows we put

1096
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 4: on in August, and I said to you know, we're

1097
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 4: not we're not big venues. And I said to Heather,

1098
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: you know, we hope we will break even. We might

1099
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 4: make a little bit of money. Okay, Well, isn't this

1100
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 4: the reason you did this album to do those shows. Yeah,

1101
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,959
Speaker 4: you're right, okay, yeah, because you know, our management everyone

1102
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 4: was saying you shouldn't do it, don't do it yet,

1103
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 4: we don't have the demands there.

1104
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: It's like but our wife said, well, isn't this the

1105
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: reason you made the record? Yeah? Yeah, you're right, Okay, Yeah,

1106
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: let's do it. Then?

1107
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: Is there Corey? Like are we going to a little

1108
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: bit of Corey?

1109
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 4: We Well, like Mike said with Showman, so like it's

1110
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 4: even though we play and stuff, it's like, what's what

1111
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 4: about we do a bit of Corey here?

1112
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: Because then you know how the audience is going to react.

1113
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 4: You know, it's all a bit of Corey but a

1114
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 4: shoulder work.

1115
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: The tour, are you where are you going you go

1116
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: around there doing the lab.

1117
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: Well, no, we're just at the moment.

1118
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 4: We're doing three that we're doing two in Sydney, we're

1119
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 4: going one in the Heartland at and reesby Real Workers,

1120
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 4: and we're doing.

1121
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: This June Bistro Workers in case you're wondering, really.

1122
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: And we're doing the Palm in Melbourne, and we're also

1123
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: doing show in Vegas at our casino.

1124
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: We're doing our casino.

1125
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the Brothers casino.

1126
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: It's our casina.

1127
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: So it's just four but we'll see how we go.

1128
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So Risby workers here in CNE.

1129
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: In August in August and the King at South Juniors is.

1130
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: It's a big room. The South Juniors room is a

1131
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: big room's pack it out.

1132
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 4: But the tiny brothers from human Nature, it'll be a

1133
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 4: freaking good night. Well we do We'll do our album.

1134
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 4: We'll do some songs because as we've been doing this record,

1135
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 4: we you know, sibling harmony is like the core of

1136
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 4: so much great music. You know, it's a Beg's beach boys,

1137
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 4: you know, even you know when you see Phineas do

1138
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: stuff together, like the stuff the music they're making because

1139
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 4: their family is really special.

1140
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: So I think that's that's at the core of what

1141
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 2: we do. So it'll be fun.

1142
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: That's that that old country thing. Only Ken can hormonize. Yeah,

1143
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: I like Ken, only Kin can hormonize. Thanks so much

1144
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: for teaching me how to do a great idea.

1145
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: And I'm Asha, I'm Andrew, I'm Mike, And this is

1146
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 3: better than yesterday.

1147
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 5: Better than yesterday, better than yesterday.

1148
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: Today, we need to practice that. We should try and

1149
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: get in the same key.

1150
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was the Teerny brothers, Michael and Andrew Tierney.

1151
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: What delightful men they are. And I'm just so happy

1152
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: that they took the time to come and chat and

1153
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: they were so open and so generous, as lovely as

1154
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: I've always known them to be. And boy gosh, do

1155
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: those boys work hard. You don't accidentally have a career

1156
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: like that. They work really really hard, and they've stayed

1157
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: working hard to stay who they are. A delight to

1158
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: catch up with them, an absolute delight. Like I said before,

1159
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: there's gigs you know, if you want to go check

1160
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: them out. They you know, they deliver, Do not get

1161
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: me wrong. Human nature of playing shows tonight and I

1162
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: think in Brisbane and before the end of the week

1163
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: they're playing in Sydney. Those guys have got a tool

1164
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: coming up as well. You can find that wherever you

1165
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: find details about such tours. If you do want to

1166
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: come along and be a part of Story Club. This

1167
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: Sunday night, Factory Theater at Marrickville Doors at six shows

1168
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: at six point thirty. Duncan Fellows, Lindsay McDougall, an Alice Constable,

1169
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: Alex Lee, zoing Onton Lodge and myself We are having

1170
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: such a fun time doing story Club. I'm really enjoying it.

1171
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: The tickets are going great. This one's probably going to

1172
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: sell out, so don't faff about. I mean a couple

1173
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: of days left. Thanks for listening to the show, Thanks

1174
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: aving a bunch of for producing it, and I'll see

1175
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: you back here on Monday.