WEBVTT - #2079 A January Pep Talk - Harps & Tiff

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get a team. It's it's the next year, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the year after the last year, it's this year, it's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six, it's Tiff, it's Jumbo, it's us, it's you,

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<v Speaker 1>It's the fucking the whole kit and kaboodle. And I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just building up to a crescendo, but I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>excited about this year. A bit of mayhem going on

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<v Speaker 1>right now, but I hope. I know this is not

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<v Speaker 1>our first showback, but I hope Chrissy was good for you,

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<v Speaker 1>or at the very least not horrible and chaotic. I

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<v Speaker 1>know for a lot of people, Christmas and New Year

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<v Speaker 1>and or New Year can be a time that isn't

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<v Speaker 1>so much fun, that isn't doesn't bring so much joy,

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<v Speaker 1>and for some people even is somewhat traumatic. So I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you got through it okay, and I hope this

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<v Speaker 1>year is amazing for you. Speaking of amazing, she is

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<v Speaker 1>she is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be presumptuous, but I don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like that was a calling.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even thinking about you, but all right, hello,

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<v Speaker 1>this is amazing. I'm miss amazing. I should say, how

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<v Speaker 1>are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Very good? Thank you very good. I'm ready for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Now have you done well? We haven't done one since

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<v Speaker 1>last year. We haven't done one for probably a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks or a week and a half at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you done one of yours? Or is this your

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<v Speaker 1>first one back?

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<v Speaker 2>This is my first one back, and I's been a

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<v Speaker 2>few at least two, if not maybe three weeks. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say. I December was a little bit not the best,

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<v Speaker 2>so I pulled up stumps earlier than what was planned

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<v Speaker 2>on recording podcasts. Yeah, wait till the joy seeped back

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<v Speaker 2>into my world.

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<v Speaker 1>And was it good to have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, time away from the microphone and the

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<v Speaker 1>studio and to regroup a little.

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<v Speaker 2>It really was, And not not that it always is.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think given what had gone on in my world,

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<v Speaker 2>it very much was because I wasn't in a great

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<v Speaker 2>space to use my mind and really engage and love

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<v Speaker 2>the process of conversation at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, but it's been nice.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was funny, like I work through Christmas. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really have an attachment to holidays or breaks or anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but something about ticking over new year's into twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six just had this freshness and excitement about it that

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have before and for no reason. So I

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<v Speaker 2>find that interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, yes, yes, I don't know. It's funny, like the

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<v Speaker 1>psychology of time and the psychology of dates and days

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<v Speaker 1>on calendars. And you know, I heard Tim Ferriss talking

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<v Speaker 1>this morning and he goes, no matter what day you start,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the start of a new year, right, And I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking, so, like today's January five, Well, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>start of a new year, because one year from now

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<v Speaker 1>to be January five, that's a whole year. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but we have all of these stories which

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<v Speaker 1>are not bad, but they're good to reflect on, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about thinking metacognition, you think, oh, why do I

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<v Speaker 1>think that? And I know of this is an old

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<v Speaker 1>chestnut I've banged on about too many times, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is an interesting reflection when you genuinely think that your

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<v Speaker 1>chances are better of succeeding if you start on a

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday rather than a Monday, because the Thursday in your

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<v Speaker 1>head on this year happens to be January one or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. And so you have a story that

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<v Speaker 1>this is the right day and the other day is

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<v Speaker 1>not the right day, when in actual fact, it's got

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<v Speaker 1>so little to do with the fucking date, like essentially nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps your belief about the date or your idea

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<v Speaker 1>about the date, or your intention around what you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do when that date, but even then, it isn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually about the date. It's about psychology. It's about your

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<v Speaker 1>preparedness and readiness to do the thing that you say

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do and haven't done for maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>last ten January ones or whatever it was, but that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just that I'm and this is how I think, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not really surprised, but part of me is

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<v Speaker 1>surprised that people don't realize what a crock of shit

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<v Speaker 1>resolutions on January one are for the majority, Like if

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<v Speaker 1>it was a drug, it would never get approved by

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<v Speaker 1>the FDA or whoever, right, because most of the time

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<v Speaker 1>when you take that drug in infurt commas, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get the result you want. You don't get better, or

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<v Speaker 1>you don't improve, or you don't get healthy or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't. And it's not that it's a bad day,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the psychology around this is so fucking silly.

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<v Speaker 1>And so irrational even when people going.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of this psychology that works for it though, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's because there's a break in routine, and the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is where routine habitual creatures. So it's really hard to

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<v Speaker 2>start something new in the middle of the sameness of

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<v Speaker 2>work and this and that, and there's no time or space.

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<v Speaker 2>So in a way, unbeknownst to us, we get out

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<v Speaker 2>of our normal operating system. And that's when those thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>come in. I'll do this differently this time, because something

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<v Speaker 2>about right now feels different, and that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good in theory, right, but if we look at

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence, it doesn't work. Like most people who start

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<v Speaker 1>about to work. No, no, it's no. You can't blame

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<v Speaker 1>work because then you're attributing your failure to something beyond

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<v Speaker 1>your control. Right, what you're saying makes sense in that Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>it's different. We're not at work. We're in a different space,

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<v Speaker 1>either geographically or mentally or emotionally. And it's a new year,

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<v Speaker 1>so mentally it's a new start. I get all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I agree with you all of those points are true.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you stand back and you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>data or the forget opinions and ideas and beliefs. Just

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<v Speaker 1>look at the evidence. The evidence is that most people

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<v Speaker 1>who say they're going to change their life beginning on

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<v Speaker 1>January one don't. That's just true. That's not an idea.

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<v Speaker 1>So you now, does that mean people can't change on

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<v Speaker 1>January one? No, not at all, not at all. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can change on January five. You can change on

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<v Speaker 1>December twenty five. You know. It's just that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>thought we might talk about this a little bit, like

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<v Speaker 1>without doing the whole what are we going to do

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<v Speaker 1>this year? And how are we? You know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's been well. I just think you know me, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think my audience knows me, and you of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I think kind of rah rahring people up. It doesn't work,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's good. You know. We talk about the value

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<v Speaker 1>and the lack of value of motivation. We talk about

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<v Speaker 1>discipline and self control and focus and structure and planning

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<v Speaker 1>and timeline and strategy, and we talk about all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, at some stage we have to go.

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<v Speaker 1>And this ain't a popular thing to say, but we

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<v Speaker 1>have to go. I'm the problem because I'm not doing

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<v Speaker 1>the work, Like the only one who can change my

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<v Speaker 1>life is me, you know, and if my plan is

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<v Speaker 1>that I accidentally succeed or someone's going to save me

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<v Speaker 1>or rescue me, then I'm in trouble. Now. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean people can't love you or support you or help you.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course they can. But ultimately, ultimately what's going to

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<v Speaker 1>make my life better is my choices and my behaviors,

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<v Speaker 1>and my resilience and my mental toughness, and my ability

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<v Speaker 1>to do the things that I said I would do

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<v Speaker 1>without the cheersquad, without the fans, without the clapping, without

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<v Speaker 1>the recognition, without the approval, without any attention, it still comes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And we can slice it and dice it

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand ways, and we can do all the fucking

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<v Speaker 1>self help programs and books and videos and podcasts and

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<v Speaker 1>even including this one. Right, I don't think this is

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to anything, Like I think, like what a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of self help tells you is that we have

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<v Speaker 1>the ten steps, or we have the five steps, or

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<v Speaker 1>we have the model, or we have the structure or

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<v Speaker 1>the process, and all you need to do is follow this.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that the point is to follow this is

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<v Speaker 1>the problem that the do this well, nobody can do

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<v Speaker 1>that except the human in the middle, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got fucking Tony Robbins in your corner and

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<v Speaker 1>Oprah in your corner and the Dalai Lama and Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>cheering you on, you still need to figure out what

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to eat for breakfast. You still need to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out whether or not you're going to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the gym and not fucking give up. You still need

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out whether or not you're going to make

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<v Speaker 1>smarter decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think it's missing and where do you

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<v Speaker 2>think people can look and find that? Because a protocol

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<v Speaker 2>is good because you don't have to think, you get

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<v Speaker 2>something to do, you get the thing that works. What's

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<v Speaker 2>the missing piece of the puzzle? It's because this I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously this is easily applied to fitness, but you can

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<v Speaker 2>apply it to anything in life, any behavior change.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the missing piece of the puzzle is that

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<v Speaker 1>we are not willing to do shit that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do. Yeah, like, well, the problem is it's

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<v Speaker 1>like and people can jump up and down right a

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<v Speaker 1>zen pic. So I was talking to somebody the other day. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying don't take a dude, I'm not saying anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm saying, all right, well, how does the zenpic work. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it works on a range of levels, and it mitigates

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<v Speaker 1>hunger and it reduces if you do. But ultimately, how

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<v Speaker 1>does it, like, how do people actually reduce? Like, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the mechanism. Well, the mechanism fucking sit down, batten down

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<v Speaker 1>the hatches is less calories? Fuck me drunk?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's because people eat less? Right? And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying again, but well, is it possible that people just

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<v Speaker 1>eat less? Well, yes it is, but it's uncomfortable. But

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<v Speaker 1>ozenpic makes it easier and more comfortable. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>anti or pro I'm saying it horses for courses. But

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<v Speaker 1>what I am saying is here's what I know. When

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<v Speaker 1>I do something that is hard, that is also effective

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<v Speaker 1>and also strategically intelligent, then what I like. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>let me give a so we're not talking about fat

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<v Speaker 1>and weight loss and people getting emotional, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the you project. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about your podcast. What number are you up to?

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<v Speaker 2>Nine seventy eight, maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say a thousand, So you're up to the best

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<v Speaker 1>part of a thousand podcasts. You've done years, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>you've done good shows, not so good shows. You've had

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<v Speaker 1>interviews where you went, I fucking killed it where I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, by the way, I'm just correct me if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong, where you fucked up, or you could have

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<v Speaker 1>done it better. Where you look back at things in

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<v Speaker 1>like I had no idea what I was doing and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. But I developed and I learned and

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<v Speaker 1>I evolved. And now you're a thousand shows in and

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<v Speaker 1>you did a lot of shit that was hard, and

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<v Speaker 1>you produced it, and you got guests, and you reach

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<v Speaker 1>out and you got rejected and you got accepted, and

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<v Speaker 1>you sat on the microphone and you asked dumb questions

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<v Speaker 1>and you asked good questions, and you got better and

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<v Speaker 1>you developed. You went through fucking years and a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of doing shit that now nobody can take from you.

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<v Speaker 1>You have got this intellectual property, you have got this skill,

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<v Speaker 1>You have got this knowledge and understanding and capacity that

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<v Speaker 1>you could never get through a fucking podcast version of ozepic. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you did the work. Now you know now if

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<v Speaker 1>you started another podcast tomorrow, your first podcast would be good.

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<v Speaker 1>The first one would be good, right, because you did

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<v Speaker 1>the things now, so too, with building a business or

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<v Speaker 1>building a good relationship, or losing weight or building strength.

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<v Speaker 1>We keep looking for the way to get the outcome

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<v Speaker 1>without hurting. Yep, and it's in the hurting. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about reckless you know, pain. I'm talking about strategic discomfort,

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<v Speaker 1>like progressive overload in the gym, progressive resistance training. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you go in and you do something and it's painful.

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<v Speaker 1>It hurts a bit, but in a week or two

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<v Speaker 1>it hurts less, and then it hurts less, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you lift more and it hurts again, but you adapt again,

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<v Speaker 1>and over time, the thing that used to be painful

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<v Speaker 1>now is painless. And the thing that used to create

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<v Speaker 1>a negative hormonal response or biochemical response stress response in

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<v Speaker 1>your body now gives you a dopamine response because you

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<v Speaker 1>fucking love it. Right, So you, the same human being,

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<v Speaker 1>have changed your relationship with this thing in this example

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<v Speaker 1>weight training, you in the podcast example, you've changed your relationship, knowledge, understanding,

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<v Speaker 1>skill capacity, and attitude about stuff. So now you can

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<v Speaker 1>walk into anywhere and you could teach most people on

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<v Speaker 1>the planet how to set up, how to develop, how

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<v Speaker 1>to do a podcast, how to interview all these things right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so at the same time, I'm not against shortcuts

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<v Speaker 1>or if they're healthy and not ridiculous, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>think this aversion that we have to doing the work,

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<v Speaker 1>like we want the reward without the work. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>said it, you know, we want the top of the mountain,

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't want to fucking climb. So it's it's,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I'm all for rah rah and dick

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<v Speaker 1>jokes and encouraging people and being silly and I'm all

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, having fun and taking the piss. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was up at full thirty this morning

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<v Speaker 1>and before my coffee, I walked eight kas, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not going aunt I great at all, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not great. In fact, the reason I do that

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<v Speaker 1>is because I'm not great. The reason I do that

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<v Speaker 1>is because I get fat as fuck. If I don't

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<v Speaker 1>do it, if I'm not eating well, moving well, lifting weights,

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<v Speaker 1>managing my last style well, making good decisions, doing smart things,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be a morbidly obese sixty two year old

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<v Speaker 1>or a dead sixty two year old. That's absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do I do well? Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be dead or morbidly obese or unhealthy? No? I don't, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what needs to happen. Well, create you need an operating

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<v Speaker 1>system that works for you, and you either do the

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<v Speaker 1>thing or you don't do the thing. And so often

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<v Speaker 1>it comes down to most people just won't do the

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<v Speaker 1>thing because you can always rationalize, oh yeah, but like

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<v Speaker 1>my last six years full time work, full time study,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, full time research, full time work, work, seven

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<v Speaker 1>typically seven podcasts a week, in state, travel, regularly, aging, parents,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of shit going on. And I'm not saying I'm terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I'm telling you all the time I'm far

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<v Speaker 1>less than terrific. But what I do is I go, well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the problem or challenge. How do I solve the problem?

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<v Speaker 1>How do I meet the challenge? What is the best

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<v Speaker 1>thing for me to do? What is the best question

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<v Speaker 1>for me to ask? The best question is not, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>why does all this shit happen to me? It's so unfair.

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<v Speaker 1>The best question is, all right, well this shit has happened.

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<v Speaker 1>How do I navigate this?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you reckon? We have an issue also just

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<v Speaker 2>admitting shit. It's not important to us, Like if we're

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<v Speaker 2>not doing it, it's not a priority. It's not important

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<v Speaker 2>to Why can't we just say that thing that society says,

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<v Speaker 2>is great health or whatever it is or success doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>rank for me because I'm not doing what I should

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<v Speaker 2>be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a really smart question. So you wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>asked that in the first episode. You would have gone,

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<v Speaker 1>what color is that T shirt? No? Sorry, I apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good question. I thought about that the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very insightful because I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people say, you know, when we go, oh, what a values?

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<v Speaker 1>Values are the things that are important to you? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so hey, everyone in the room, put up your hand.

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<v Speaker 1>If health is one of your top three values, all

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<v Speaker 1>the hands go up. Yeah, maybe seventy percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>people in the room are not living in a healthy manner.

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<v Speaker 1>And you go, well, why'd you put your hand up,

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<v Speaker 1>because clearly it's not important to you because you're living

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<v Speaker 1>a lifestyle which is inconsistent with, or perhaps the antithesis

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<v Speaker 1>of reducing healthy outcomes. Again, no judgment, no hate, no

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<v Speaker 1>just observation. I said, who's and you put up your hand?

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<v Speaker 1>And also, you know, so I think that we like

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<v Speaker 1>to present ourselves in a way which makes us look

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<v Speaker 1>best or better to the rest of the world, including me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying, oh, humans do this, but Craig doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>because Craig's fucking outstanding. Craig's a dickhead and insecure. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, please love me, still an only child. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's like I and I've spoken about this

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<v Speaker 1>before when I went through a stage where I owned

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<v Speaker 1>three gyms at the time, I was in my early thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>and I went through a period of about a year

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<v Speaker 1>where I was just eating like a fucking maniac, even

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<v Speaker 1>though I was educated, even though I was knowledgeable, even

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<v Speaker 1>though I was helping people get in shape, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I was working with elite teams and athletes, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I knew what to do. It was like I was

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<v Speaker 1>an alcoholic who picked up booze again and I just

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<v Speaker 1>opened the door and I just gained thirty kilos. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>think about this. This is just a little aside. So

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I've got a fair bit of muscle.

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<v Speaker 1>I weighed seventy nine. I weighed myself this morning, seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I was in that phase there, I weighed

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<v Speaker 1>one one seven tiff thirty eight kilos. Well, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how big Brad is, you know, six foot four fucking

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than me, bigger than He's about that, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>I was, yeah, and I just my solution was done,

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<v Speaker 1>change the way you eat. Get a bigger tracksuit, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get some, get them, get some. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't wear a singlet because you look like a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>potato in a training out. So just get yourself some big, baggy,

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<v Speaker 1>pucking hoodies. And yeah, it's but I think that, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that, and this is hard to do. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>over time, when we just really own up to our bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>and it takes a while to get ready, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because sometimes it's you know, you don't want to be embarrassed,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to be humiliated. I get it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, but is it true though, Craig did you?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you telling people to do one thing and behind

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<v Speaker 1>closed doors doing another? Yeah? I was, I was right.

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<v Speaker 1>But what makes me more comfortable to say this is one,

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<v Speaker 1>it's true, and it aligns with one of my values

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<v Speaker 1>to be as authentic as I can without being inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>And two, I've worked with tens of thousands of people

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<v Speaker 1>one on one in this process of physical, emotional, psychological change,

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<v Speaker 1>and virtually everyone lies about something at some stage. The

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<v Speaker 1>amount of people who for my at least the first

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years of my pteen career, all of my clients

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<v Speaker 1>would fill out diaries in the old days before apps,

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<v Speaker 1>so either like a spiral bound book, like a page

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<v Speaker 1>by page diary which would have food, exercise, sleep, you know, coffee, tea, booze, water, supplements,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, medication, blah blah blah. So they'd record everything

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<v Speaker 1>that would have some kind of impact on the outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say ninety percent of my clients lied. Not

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, but I would look at what was

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<v Speaker 1>in that fucking book and I'd look at them. I'm like, hey, Pinocchio,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck is this? This is not what you're eating?

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<v Speaker 1>I go, are you promising me? And they'd look at me.

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<v Speaker 1>I go, look in my fucking eyes and promise me

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<v Speaker 1>that this is what you are eating and there's nothing else.

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<v Speaker 1>And they couldn't because they knew that, because they would

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<v Speaker 1>write what they thought I wanted to hear or read.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what I want is the truth, because when

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<v Speaker 1>we deal with the truth, then we can create a

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<v Speaker 1>real plan and a real strategy. But when I'm training

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<v Speaker 1>you and I'm doing everything that I can do for you,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're not losing weight or fat and you're

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<v Speaker 1>shrugging your shoulders and saying, but I'm eating perfectly when

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<v Speaker 1>you're not, Then what you're trying to do is make

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<v Speaker 1>it my fault, not yours.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very funny process, isn't it like that when

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<v Speaker 2>you think about that process. I remember my nutritionists. She's

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<v Speaker 2>one of my best mates. I literally just went and

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<v Speaker 2>had coffee with her, and years ago I got her

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<v Speaker 2>I did a food diary I wanted to gain weight

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<v Speaker 2>for boxing, and I showed her the diary and she goes, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this is very very detailed. I'm like, do not. She goes, no,

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<v Speaker 2>people lie. I'm like, who pays for a nutritionist and

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<v Speaker 2>then tells lies? You don't? How do you get there?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you get the information you need if you're

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<v Speaker 2>lying about what's happening? This is a funny process to go. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously already in then in your mind you have to

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<v Speaker 2>go to yourself, well, don't you already have some answers

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<v Speaker 2>if you address those first and then just showed up

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<v Speaker 2>with what you say you're already doing, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>might already have a result happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember my story about the doctor that I

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<v Speaker 1>used to train in the ice cream No, no, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is a true story, and nobody knows who

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<v Speaker 1>this person is, right, so it doesn't matter. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure this person is not a doctor anymore. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was about twenty eight, so i'd been working in

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<v Speaker 1>gyms for ten years. So I didn't know everything, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but I knew a fair bit. I trained a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people, maybe I was thirty and so I used

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<v Speaker 1>to train this GP a lady, and she was quite

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<v Speaker 1>what's the word at the start. We ended up with

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<v Speaker 1>a really good relationship, but at the start quite challenging

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<v Speaker 1>and quite By the time she got to me, she'd

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<v Speaker 1>tried a bunch of thems, she'd had a dietitian, and

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<v Speaker 1>she'd had another trainer before me, even though there weren't

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<v Speaker 1>many trainers around then, and she'd I don't know, she'd

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<v Speaker 1>done all this stuff, and I'm like, well, what happened

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<v Speaker 1>with all that? And she goes, none of it worked.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, none of it worked? Like it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's interesting. So anyway, she didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>fill out a diary because I think she thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way. She just saw me as a glorified

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<v Speaker 1>gym instructor, which was fair, and she was a medical

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<v Speaker 1>doctor with a six year degree, so what the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>would the buff ed with the big arms? No, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I'm like, okay, So I convinced her to well,

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<v Speaker 1>I made that a condition because I was already busy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, I'm not going to train you if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't fill it out, because you know all the shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I you say, you see me three times a week,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're not with me for one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five of the one sixty eight so most of the

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<v Speaker 1>time you're not with me. And all of the things

0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 1>that you do when you're not here, you know, incidental

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<v Speaker 1>occupational activity, supplements, food, sleep, booze, socializing, all of those

0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 1>things have an influence on the outcome, not just three

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<v Speaker 1>workouts with me, so just to give me insights, so

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<v Speaker 1>that blah blah blah, all the shit, right. So I

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<v Speaker 1>started training her, and I was training her well. I

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<v Speaker 1>was training her as well as I could with my resources,

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<v Speaker 1>skill knowledge. I was training and I really fucking tried

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<v Speaker 1>hard because she was a doctor and I was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit intimidated. And six months in six weeks into it,

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<v Speaker 1>she had put on a kilo and I kept looking

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<v Speaker 1>at he a diary, which, by the way, you know

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<v Speaker 1>when people you can tell they sat in the car, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell they sat in the car sixty seconds

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<v Speaker 1>before they walked in the door, and just scribbled some

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in the book like it's not real. And I

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<v Speaker 1>used to look at it. I'm like, I know she's lying.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is not real. And then I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm to give it a few weeks. And then over

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<v Speaker 1>six weeks she got fitter and she got stronger. But

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe the one kilo was maybe it was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of muscle, or maybe it was a bit of fluid.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, the bottom line was there was very little progress,

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<v Speaker 1>next to no progress other than the strength and fitness.

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<v Speaker 1>But her main reason she was there in her words.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't say what her words were because someone will

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<v Speaker 1>find a reason to get mad at me, but it

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<v Speaker 1>had you know, she didn't want to be an fat doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what she said to me, right, And I'm like, okay, cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And then so we're going back. I'm like, are you

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>sure and she's like, yep, don't question me. And Aaron

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:43.680
<v Speaker 1>may are you I'm like, all right, anyway, one day,

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is bullshit and this is going backwards.

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 1>And so she gave me a diary and I got it.

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, I just want to have a chat with you.

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 1>And she was really straight away on the defense and

0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:58.719
<v Speaker 1>she's like, what about. I'm like, well, I don't want

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to have the chat here. Well we can have it here.

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:02.880
<v Speaker 1>What about? And I'm like, oh god. You know when

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 1>people are like that, You're like, I'm on your I'm

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:09.359
<v Speaker 1>on your side. Do you know what I want? I

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 1>want you to get in shape, you know what I

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 1>want to help you, you know what I want to

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>understand you. So anyway, I go in in a rare

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:22.400
<v Speaker 1>moment of fucking courage, I said to her, I said,

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>this might be the start of something great, or this

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 1>might be our last session. I said, And you can

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 1>get mad at me, and you can whatever you want.

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:32.639
<v Speaker 1>I said, but I know that what you're putting in

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>this diary is not what you're eating. I said, I know,

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:38.880
<v Speaker 1>absolutely no. And I said I know because even by then,

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:42.760
<v Speaker 1>i'd work with over a thousand people. And I said,

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I've worked with whatever a thousand people. And I go,

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, because you're the one doing it, and I

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 1>know the only thing that's not happening is you won't

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>tell me the truth. Now, I'm not mad at you.

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not disappointed in you. I'm not judging you. I

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>just want to fucking help you. But I can't help

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 1>you really on this psychological, emotional and physiological journey if

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 1>you can't acknowledge what you actually do. And then there

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 1>was a bit of defiance, and anyway, the flood of

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 1>tears came, this flood of tears, and I said, just

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 1>tell me what you do and then I can work

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 1>with you. And I said, by the way, I've got

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>all the fucking food issues and all of this and

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>the body image and body dysmorphia and shit self. I go,

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:34.359
<v Speaker 1>I get it. I get it academically and scientifically, and

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>I get it experientially. I just want to help, right Anyway,

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that she and she would eat

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>nothing all day, which is quite very little all day,

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.199
<v Speaker 1>and that would be true. You know, she'd get up

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 1>and have a coffee and she's like, I'm going to

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 1>be so good today. Then she would get home after

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>work stressed and neat a lot of food. And then

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:57.440
<v Speaker 1>when her kids and husband would go to bed. She

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>would often drive to the supermarket at like nine or

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 1>nine point thirty and get two Leaders of ice cream

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 1>and sit in the car. She'd take a spoon and

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 1>she'd sit in the car and eat two Leaders of

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:17.159
<v Speaker 1>ice cream and then drive home crying. And I'm like, okay,

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.200
<v Speaker 1>like there's no like, I'm like, thank you, thank you

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.400
<v Speaker 1>for being honest. I go, now that we know what's

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>going on, I go, No one else's you know, and

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 1>no one knows who she is. But I go, we

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>can deal with it. And I said, that's all I want.

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>That's all I want because now I know and I

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>can talk to you about that. And by the way,

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>have I made one thousand million stupid choices around food? Yes,

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>I have the way. I understand that emotional and psychological

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>urge to numb out with food. Fuck. Yes, I'm the

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>chairman of the club, right. But that's one of those things, Tiff,

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 1>is where somebody's got to go, Okay, I'm part of

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>the problem.

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 2>And well, also I think, why do we carry so

0:28:58.400 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 2>much shame?

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:00.080
<v Speaker 1>And and.

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I would say ownership, but I know we have ownership.

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 2>But also we've got these biological bodies that respond to things.

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>We've got this layer of unconscious psychology that's running running programs,

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 2>and then we have behaviors that happen, and then from

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 2>the outside we look in at ourselves and we hold

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>shame and we hate on ourselves and doing that when

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>we can't fix anything, if we can't be a little

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>bit compassionate about you know what, I've got this ship behavior.

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I have it a lot all of the time. I

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 2>eat too much junk at times, and sometimes I'm really

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>impulsive with it, and I go, fuck, that's a that's frustrating.

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I wish I wouldn't do that. But also, ah, there's

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I have to find the reason I do. That's the

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 2>what's that behavior? About? What triggers? That's it? That's just

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>a curious thing to ask. And I don't have to

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 2>hate me about it. I can hate me a little

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>bit sometimes because fucking I do you know? I do

0:29:56.560 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 2>ride that bus every now and then. But just think

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 2>we have so much, so much unnecessary shame around the

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>stuff we haven't explored in our own mind and body.

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Correct, great, great, beautiful summary. And one the shame is

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>understandable because we live in a culture that lends itself

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>to that, you know, fat shaming, et cetera. Right, and

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>you know I was the kid who got called jumbo.

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I basically my name was my fat body, right, So

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 1>I get it. But you know, but also we can

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>have that awareness of I'm making bad decisions and doing

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>things which are at odds with my own health. That's

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 1>we can have that awareness without having without having the

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>self loathing. It's like I do do this, not like

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm a useless fuck with I'm no good, I'm this

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 1>no one can ever love me, you know all that,

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>but just being able to acknowledge, like you can't change

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>what you can't acknowledge, you know, like whether or not

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I had to realize I had to

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>learn like, for example, when I started my PhD. Oh,

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't sit like say Melissa, unlessa can sit for

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>an hour looking at something that's not that fucking interesting

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and stay captivated and look because she I'm like a

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>dog with three dicks. I'm eight minutes in, I'm thinking

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>about lunch. I'm like no especially, so I needed to

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 1>figure out, all right, how do I read academic journals

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and papers in a way that works for me, and

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the way that worked for me Initially, and this sounds

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 1>fucking hilarious, is five minutes five minutes I just started,

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I go five minutes. I literally put my clock down.

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I'd set a five minute alarm and then I'd read

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>and go off. Then I'd fuck around five minutes. Then

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I'd come back and sometimes fuck around fifteen minutes, come back, right.

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>But eventually I got to the point where like, now

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I can I think also because I understand what I'm

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>reading better and my language is better, and my my

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've evolved somewhat, and my academic I guess

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>resilience has evolved, but you know it's still for me.

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Half hour is like I'm tapping out, you know. But

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>then if it's something creative and something fun and something

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>that I'm just fucking making up and writing and conceptualizing,

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 1>and I could go down a rabbit hole for four

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 1>hours and it feels like twenty minutes. But either way,

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you need to realize, Okay, well I need to get

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>this research done or this study done or this so

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>how do I do it? Like how Melissa does it

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>or how Tiff does it? That doesn't work for me,

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>And like even you and I have spoken because you're

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 1>more a pro academic than an academic, which is not

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>to say you're not intelligent. You're intelligent, but your intelligence

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and your curiosity and your learn happens in a different

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>way to most of the people that I'm doing my

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>PhD with, Like they're more what you would call typical academics,

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, which is not good or bad, if there

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>is such a thing as a typical, But at that level,

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>at that PhD level, there's a fair bit of similarity.

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Like they're really fucking good and they're really like in

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>that little world of research and stuff. Oh my god,

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 1>it's like their natural habitat. I feel like I'm still

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the fucking the outlier. Six years later.

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Was talking about this just this week, that idea around

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 2>what like this we think that knowledge, stuff we know

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 2>is our intellect. And there were subjects at school that

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I just downright fucked around in and maybe because of

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 2>the classroom I was in and the people or the

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 2>teacher I didn't resonate with. And so I as an

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>adult when I moved to Melbourne. If you have passed

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>me in the street said is Europe and America? Are

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 2>they the same place? I couldn't have answered you because

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I paid no attention to any geography or any of

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>that line of study. And then then, even though I

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>knew that was a choice, eventually that I figured it

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, well, you just chose not to

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 2>pay attention. That doesn't mean you're dumb. You just didn't

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 2>You didn't pay attention and learn it. But now when

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>someone breaches that conversation, broaches that conversation, you feel dumb,

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 2>like I thought I was. I was like, you're so dumb.

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 2>You don't even know the capital cities of places that

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 2>everybody knows.

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>It's funny, yes, Well, intelligence is one fluid, it's two dynamic,

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's three. It's a spectrum. So somebody like the

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 1>crab that you know everyone. One of my best mates,

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 1>my training partner, is at least as intelligent as me,

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe I would guess, depending well, maybe more intelligent. And

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I'm a genius anyway, so that's not

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>a big compliment for him. But he's a guy who

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 1>finished school at year nine. Who you know. But depending

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 1>on the context or the challenge or the problem to

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>be solved, or the room that we're in, I can

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 1>be a fucking idiot, And he's a genius, and there

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>are many times where I've had to default to his brain,

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 1>like his brain works better with this kind of problem.

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 1>So there are some people who quizzically are very knowledgeable

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>but not very intelligent. And there are other people who

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>don't have vast acquired kind of pigeonholed knowledge that they've done,

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:34.399
<v Speaker 1>that they've acquired over any academic formal process, but rather

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>they've got a lot of experience and a lot of

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>innate wisdom and intellect that can help them navigate life

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 1>better than the dude or the dude at with nine PhDs.

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or like the ability to problem solve and understand

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>or sense make something new. I think about me in maths.

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I was a weapon in maths, but I paid no attention.

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:58.240
<v Speaker 2>So I got excellent marks, but I retained no knowledge.

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't tell you now what half mathematical equations are

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 2>because it was I'd look at it, get taught that

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 2>makes sense, tick tick tick, disrupt the class, and then

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, a year down the track, I don't know.

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that is. I can't remember. So

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 2>there's people that can retain knowledge really well, but maybe

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.799
<v Speaker 2>it took them a very long time to go over

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 2>it and over and over and a lot of hard

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>work to just ingrain it and get it in, but

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:24.439
<v Speaker 2>it never made sense the same way.

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think that, you know, even as grown ups,

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>we think we're dumb or we think where I think

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>very few people are stupid, very few. Everybody just has

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 1>different kinds of intelligence. And yeah, Like I've been in

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.800
<v Speaker 1>some weird environments like prisons and stuff where I've worked,

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, you would think, oh, they're just going

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to be buffheads and bogans, and you know, and you're like,

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I know, these these motherfuckers are super smart. They have

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>figured so many things out, you know, and they're not

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:05.720
<v Speaker 1>necessarily smart in the way that we think it, although

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>some of them are, but they've just learned how to

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:12.759
<v Speaker 1>not just survive but thrive in this horrible environment and

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>how to you know, socially and financially and practically navigate

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>this system and this culture and this And you're like, Wow,

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:25.319
<v Speaker 1>if you put me in that environment and just threw

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>away the keys, I'd be fucked in a day and

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 1>a half, right, I'll be fucking wearing a dress and

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:36.320
<v Speaker 1>being spooned by some big motherfucker. So you know, that

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>could be all right, I'm not sure, but you know,

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, it's it's it's a it's a kind

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:50.800
<v Speaker 1>of like Chris, who's my senior supervisor, who you know,

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:53.839
<v Speaker 1>you know he's got he's a professor. He's a full

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>blown professor at Monash. He's only forty one or two.

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 1>He speaks seven languages, he's got two PA and he

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:07.439
<v Speaker 1>is real deal intelligent as well as knowledgeable. But he's

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>come to a few my gigs where I'm speaking and

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>he shakes his head and he's like, I could never

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:15.360
<v Speaker 1>do that. He's like, how on earth do you do that?

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 1>How do you stand up there for three hours with

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>no notes? You know? How do you read the room?

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 1>How do you build rapport? How do you make people laugh?

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>How do you know what say and what not say?

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>And obviously you don't get it all perfect, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh, yeah, it's it's like i have

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of intelligence and skill and knowledge and aptitude

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 1>that I've developed over thirty five years of doing the

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>same thing or a version of the same thing. So

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>then you build on your innate ability and capacity, and

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 1>you develop lots of knowledge and skill over time, and

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<v Speaker 1>then hopefully you get somewhere close to what we colloquially

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 1>call mastery, you know, but I would you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>not many things that I'm very good at. You know,

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty good at a few things. Okay at some stuff,

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and shit ouse at most, you know, so, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just that thinking about, like, in terms of what I

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>want to achieve, even back to the new year, this year,

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>what do I need to get better at this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what what if I could just pick one thing

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>that I need to do better and maybe conversely, one

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.960
<v Speaker 1>thing that I should stop doing. What would those two

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>things be?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what would they be?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? For me? One hundred percent And this is so cliche,

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>but one hundred percent social media, Like I waste so

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>much time and I don't even mean scrolling, I mean conceptualizing.

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I might spend an hour and a half conceptualizing one post,

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and I'll write and rewrite and rewrite because I realized

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I've got a lot of well it depends on what

0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.839
<v Speaker 1>a lot is, but for me, I've got a lot

0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:02.400
<v Speaker 1>of followers on Instagram, where I'm mainly you know, sixty

0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 1>two and a half thousand or something, and so you

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 1>know that if fair people are going to fait. Few

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 1>people are going to look at it. And but I'll

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<v Speaker 1>write and rewrite and sometimes I'll send it to you

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 1>and I'll go any good. You might go yeah, it's

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>shit or it's great, or it's because I want to

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>try and get and I send it to Melissa. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to try and get someone else's perspective. But I

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<v Speaker 1>just spend way too much time on that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the nature of that, so you can

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:28.359
<v Speaker 2>look at it that and go, yeah, that's a lot

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.800
<v Speaker 2>of time for a bloody social media post, bro, But

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:34.320
<v Speaker 2>the nature of how you are doing that is a

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<v Speaker 2>part of you developing your mind and your understanding of

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 2>the content you deliver. Overall, You've evolved so much and

0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 2>so differently, and that's what I see when I see

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.840
<v Speaker 2>how you develop your online presence. Now it has changed

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 2>how you communicate and how you share messages. So that's

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:57.840
<v Speaker 2>that's productive.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah. Look, I think

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:07.719
<v Speaker 1>as a as a podcaster, as an educator, as a

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 1>professional speaker, as whatever else I am, Like, my my

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>main skill is communication, and then under communication is you know,

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:24.720
<v Speaker 1>building trust and respect and rapport and understanding how people

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 1>perceive and experience me, which is my PhD, and then

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:32.800
<v Speaker 1>understanding this moment in time for them right now, is

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:35.760
<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about to this group of people making

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:40.879
<v Speaker 1>sense or is it confusing? What level are they at intellectually, academically,

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 1>sociologically so that I can share the message in a

0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:47.720
<v Speaker 1>way which is optimal for them in terms of value.

0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>You know. So if I talk to a bunch of

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, blokes on a construction site, or blokes and

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 1>women on a construction site, and I talk to them

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>like their PhD students, that won't work. And again it's

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>not that they're dumb, it's that they're different. They're smart

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.480
<v Speaker 1>in a different kind of way. Conversely, if I talk

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>to at Brain Park, Monash, where I'm studying, if I

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 1>go into the boardroom and I talk to them like

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 1>they're all fucking builders laborers, that won't work either, especially

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>when I say count the first three times, so you know,

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>like it's like, but the funny thing is you can

0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 1>be sharing essentially the same message. Like I've told this

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 1>story probably ten times, but literally ten years ago now

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>it would have been I spoke in two days in

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 1>a row. I spoke at Port Phillip Prison on one

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.719
<v Speaker 1>day and the next day I spoke at the Royal

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Australian College of Surgeons. So I spoke to three hundred

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 1>surgeons in a room at Lawn at the Cumberland in Lawn,

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and the day before I was talking to violent criminals.

0:42:55.440 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 1>And but on both occasions I was trying to help

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 1>them to help themselves. How do we think better, do better?

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Be better? What's working, what's not. There's similar themes, but

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the style and the language and the energy and the

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 1>delivery were nothing alike because the group was nothing alike.

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:20.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, even just preparing for that, like the energy

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 2>you bring into that space dictates how they respond. So

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.919
<v Speaker 2>having an awareness on even just that component, I think

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 2>is I feel like that the time I'm at now

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to speaking is going on now when

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I speak, it's not it's not familiar rooms or familiar environments.

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 2>And that is a really new variable because in the

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 2>past everything's come from networking or relationships that I already

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 2>had so comfortable, and now I'm like, oh, there's I

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 2>don't get that luxury anymore. And then there's a there's

0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:00.320
<v Speaker 2>no expectation that I'm familiar with that they might have

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 2>of me. And who I am and how I am.

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 1>That's hard, yes, yeah, but imagine this. I said to you, Haytiv,

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 1>can you do me a favor. My friend's kid is

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 1>in grade six down the road. It's thirty grade six.

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Is they just want someone to talk to them for

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:22.879
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes about health and fitness, just whatever you want.

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:26.880
<v Speaker 1>They're all eleven and twelve. Health fitness like a bit

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 1>of fun, a bit of whatever. You would go in there,

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.359
<v Speaker 1>you would crush it. You'd talk for thirty minutes. You'd

0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:33.239
<v Speaker 1>think about who they are and how they are and

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 1>the right language and the right level of messaging, and

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you do it. Now, I could give you the same directive,

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:44.359
<v Speaker 1>but say it's to a bunch of eighty year olds

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 1>in a nursing home. But I want you to talk

0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 1>about essentially the same stuff. So immediately you're going to

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 1>communicate differently, plan differently, and the examples or stories or

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>language or cadence all going to vary. And you will

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>do that without thinking, like you won't go, oh, I

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>bet make sure I don't talk to them like they're

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 1>twelve year olds. You just get in and you do it.

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>So this is you know, it's like when you talk

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:16.759
<v Speaker 1>to a three year old who runs up to you

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and you go, oh, hello, what's your Oh what's that?

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:23.839
<v Speaker 1>That's a big boat? Oh my wow? Kind of boat

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.839
<v Speaker 1>is that? But imagine saying that to a twenty four

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:28.719
<v Speaker 1>year old. It's like, what the fuck are you doing?

0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:33.880
<v Speaker 1>You know? Imagine if I went up to a blokeout

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:35.880
<v Speaker 1>in the front of the Hampton's who was on a motorbike,

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 1>and I went, oh, hello, what's your name. That's a

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 1>big motorbike. That's a big throubber between your legs. Look

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 1>at you. Oh sure, name Barry. Hello Barry, what a

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:47.399
<v Speaker 1>big motorbike you've got.

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, I just had the You just reminded me

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 2>when I went for coffee with my friend was up

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 2>with Mara and Beane, and I was walking up the

0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 2>roads of the Sunshine. It's beautiful, the sky is blue,

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:01.880
<v Speaker 2>it's amazing. And then this old man was walking towards

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 2>me and he stopped and he goes, I just want

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 2>to say to you. So I stopped and listened.

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 1>He's yes, yes, I want.

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 2>You to have a beautiful day. And I was like, oh, thanks,

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 2>And then I spent five minutes or so. He goes,

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:21.279
<v Speaker 2>I just love talking to strangers and I love making

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 2>people laugh. And he told me some jokes and then

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.560
<v Speaker 2>I gave him a hug, and I like, I was

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 2>so lovely. I don't know what made me think of that.

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I should have done you should have got his number

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 1>and taken him out to a movie. I'm kidding about that.

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say something much more hilarious, but when.

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 2>It was so nice, right, like he goes, there's so

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 2>much bad news and there's never good news, and there's

0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of good people around, and I was like,

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 2>you what fucking lovely dude.

0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Bless that old dude. Well, it's been a fun chat

0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Tiffany and Cooks, followers, friends, typ family. I hope you

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:08.759
<v Speaker 1>have a great year. Reach out to us if there's

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 1>something that We've got a whole bunch of guests. This

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 1>year is going to be I would like to say

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.239
<v Speaker 1>an improvement on last year. I don't think last year

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 1>was terrible, but last year, twenty twenty five was a very,

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:25.360
<v Speaker 1>very busy year for me, and I don't think I

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:28.800
<v Speaker 1>did my best work. I think I did some okay

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 1>work regarding the podcast. My intention this year is I'm

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 1>not sure how many we're going to do per week

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 1>just FYI. Some weeks it'll be seven, some weeks it'll

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 1>be four or five. But I really want to get

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 1>some great people, some new people, have some great interviews,

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 1>have some different conversations. I know we're always circling around

0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:52.280
<v Speaker 1>personal growth and development and self help and human behavior

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and self optimization. I get that. But if you've got

0:47:56.560 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 1>any suggestions, and not your brother in law who's a

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>fucking trainer in Epping, we don't want him. But if

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 1>you've got any suggestions for guests or shout out to

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>all our trainers in all topics or conversations you would

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 1>like us to have, just hit us up on the

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Facebook page. If you're not a member of that, come on, bro, Sophine,

0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 1>get the fuck on do You Project Podcast Facebook page.

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:29.319
<v Speaker 1>It's been real Tiff, good to see you again. Oh

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>just a quickie. Are we still in love? Or have

0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:35.760
<v Speaker 1>you ditched him? Sorry? I almost got through the whole party.

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>You can cut this out though.

0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Still going strong, has still going strong? Thank you very much?

0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, have no, I'll leave it at that. That's that's

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 1>what I won't even know. So many funny things I

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 1>could say for the benefits of the listeners, I'll refrain.

0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk off here, but thanks. It's been real