WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 10 December 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.680 Lateens General, welcome the Late Bay. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:09.360 Well, good evening, it's great to have your company. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.640 I'm James Macpherson with Joe Hildebrand and Liz Storer. A 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.960 lot coming up tonight, including the top ten things that 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.279 Australians googled in twenty twenty four. Will give you the 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.240 list and you can see how you compared to your neighbors. Plus, 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:24.960 when we look at what's making news tomorrow, the federal 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.280 government to introduce a flat fee for childcare. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.760 We'll talk about whether or not that's a good idea. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:34.600 And the rest of a Tasmanian man on child exploitation 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:40.080 charges leads to the freeing of six children in the Philippines. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.360 All of that when we get to tomorrow's news. But 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:44.360 you remember back. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.440 In twenty twenty two when six women working together but 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:52.640 claiming to be independent one formerly safe liberal seats calling 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.960 themselves the Teals. Now, of course Teal is you know, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.320 liberal blue with just a tinge of green because we're 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.640 worried about the climate. Well, by now everybody knows that 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.920 the Teals are absolute greens all the way through. 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.039 In fact, they're greens in all but name. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.280 Recent analysis published today in the Daily Telegraph shows the 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.880 Teals voted so often with the Greens as to be 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:17.560 barely indistinguishable. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:19.880 I have a look at these voting patterns. 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.679 Minick Ryan, for instance, from Kuyong, she voted seventy seven 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.840 percent of the time in alignment with the Greens. Or 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.640 what about Zali Stegel from worringa seventy five percent of 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.320 the time that she voted she was aligned with the 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.160 Greens party. But Zoe Daniel and Sophie Scamps, well it 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.440 was eighty one percent of the time for them, and 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.160 the winner coming in at ninety four percent is North 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.679 Sydney MP Kylie Tink. Now, Kylie Tink did amuse me 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.640 when confronted with these voting patterns. She said, on one 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.400 hundred percent of occasions. Now, remember ninety four percent of 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.320 the time she voted with the Greens. But on one 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.120 hundred percent of occasions, I've voted in a way that 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.320 is consistent with my community's expectations and ambitions. Which makes 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.160 you wonder why didn't her community just elect the Green 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:12.080 I suspect they did. Actually, just on that she's voted 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:13.560 ninety four percent of. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.280 The time with the Greens. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.800 You want to know what percentage of votes the Greens 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.720 got in her seat back in twenty twenty two eight 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.519 point five percent. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:24.440 Absolutely incredible. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.720 The people of North Sydney did not get what they 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.799 were voting for. If the Body Snatches replaced Kylie Think 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:31.880 with Adam bad I'm. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.000 Not sure anybody would know the difference. 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:38.840 The Teals lives are basically Greens but with more expensive lipstick. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:41.239 One hundred percent. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.320 And I love that these guys still call themselves independent. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.160 Where they're voting record shows well, at least according to 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.280 these numbers. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:49.919 They're voting as a block. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.000 Seventy five percent of the time at lease, So are 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:57.000 you really independent? And of course siding with the Greens, 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.639 which comes as no surprise because while they were quite 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.200 an e known quantity at the last election, which was 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.920 their first election, we all knew that a large chunk 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:11.240 of their funding was coming from Simon Holmes a courts 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:15.920 Climate two hundreds. So these guys almost solely no other issue. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.880 They were like single issue candidates. It was all about 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.280 the climate. And it's going to be incredibly interesting to 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:28.040 see how they go now that the climate politically has 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.200 changed a lot and people are far more concerned about 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.720 cost of living crisis, the cost of energy, things going forward, 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.160 including education, you name it. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:39.760 The climate has taken. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.040 A back seat as people have realized more and more 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.120 of these last few years of the Albanese government just 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.080 how much their attention to climate is hitting their hip pocket. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.880 And I feel that they're going. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.840 To have just different priorities heading in to the election 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:56.520 next year. 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.680 I've got a feeling that you might be right, Liz, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.240 And there is some interesting. 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.120 This is a red day, ladies and gentlemen, I'm riding, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.320 I'm no hill agree to. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.040 Sheer visceral loathing of both the Greens and the Teals. 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.680 You and I are on a unity ticket. And there 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.920 are a couple of funny things about this story, and 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.160 and lots of fun little rabbit holes. You can of 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.000 course get all the insights down brand every Day podcast. 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.200 But firstly, there is no seat of North Sydney anymore. 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:31.680 There is no Sydney MB distribution Kyllia Tink anymore, because 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:36.040 of course the Australian Electoral Commission has redistributed the boundaries 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.160 and the seat disappears, and so that's all fine, that's 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:39.800 all well and good. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.000 So so she's not going to run against whatever. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:46.400 That's right, So whatever outrageous sort of twist of fate 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.760 was forced upon the good, peaceful Burghers of North Sydney, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:52.640 that is going to be removed. So the Green they 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.640 accidentally elected is no more now. A lot of people said, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.599 Kylie a teak, you should go and run in the 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.160 seat of Bradfield, which is just next to North Sydney 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.800 and where most of that electorate has gone to, and 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.880 she has said no. She is said instead that she's 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:12.440 going to back the candidate who lost in Bradfield last time, who. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.160 Is Daniella Boina I think is her name. 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:21.000 Who set up a shadow electorate office with Simon Holmes 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:26.600 and Courts backing. So she actually has effectively refused to 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:27.440 concede the electure. 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.560 She's got a bit Donald Trumps. I'm not going anywhere. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:31.640 I'm not going anywhere lost. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.200 But she said up on an election, but she set 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.400 up an electric office anyway, as if she was the 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.960 man bab. We've got stupid shadow on the front of 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.359 it as well. And so Kylieting has now said she's 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.560 not going to run in the city. She's going to 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.839 fall back, fall on her sword and support Daniel Boanna's campaign, 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:53.479 which means that the teals are punishing the person who 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.880 won and rewarding the person who lost, which is strange. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.120 But things are only in getting better because the five 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.320 MPs mentioned in this story, the five tier MPs are 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.640 only five of the seven tier MPs, who of course 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.640 occupy the House of Representatives. The other two Legraspender and 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:14.479 the seat of Wentworth and Kate Cheney a s in 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:20.800 wa thin it's called curtain and those and Paul Fletcher, 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.680 the Member for Bradfield, just announce is going to resign, 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.680 which could pose a headache for Peter Dutton because they 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:32.240 no longer have the incumbent advantage. But Paul Fletcher in 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.560 September put out the same research of how these guys 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:40.800 voted right and again a Legraspender and Kate Cheney were 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.200 on the bottom still the overwhelming majority of the time, 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.280 but in the sort of mid to low seventies. Now, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.240 if you think about the things that Liz is talking about, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.080 how the world's kind of changed a little bit since 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.320 twenty twenty two. The number one economic issue cost of living, 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:58.560 and the number one social issue community disintegration and. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.040 Conflict over the war in the Middle East. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.840 So you have a Legraspender, who lives is the teal 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:10.000 with probably the highest proportion of Jewish voters in her electorate. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.800 And then you have Kate Cheney, who is the only 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:18.120 teal in the most resource dependent state in Australia. And 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.280 what happens to all these high ideals, what happens to 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.880 climate change being the most catastrophic cataclysmic. 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:25.280 World ending event. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.400 Well, it seems just by a few percentage points to 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.120 have dissipated because they don't seem to be finding as 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:32.600 much common ground with the Greens. 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:33.960 A Legraspender, I'm pretty sure it. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.080 Is smart enough to know that any association that she 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.400 has with the Greens, given their outrageous anti Israel center, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.600 and given the fact that they have refused to condemn 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.920 active vandalism at Australian War Memorial things like that, have 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:52.000 been equivocating on Israel. They have provided false equivalents between 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.320 Israel and Hamas. We all know they're crazy candidates. A 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.560 local said the IDEF was worse than ISO. Worst IDF 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.320 Israel defense pots is worse than isis Let's do some 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.080 focus groups on how that goes down in Double Bay. 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:07.920 Probably not too good, I would have. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.640 Thought, and again, Kate Channey knows that in the middle 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:12.160 of the cost of Of course he comes from one 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.320 of the leafier, nice little seats, I mean, wa But 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:21.360 this is a state whose entire fortunes basically rest on 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.520 the mining industry. And suddenly, when everything's going fine and 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.520 everyone's rolling along, you can kind of sort of think, oh, well, 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.040 maybe we should think about the climate, but. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.079 That some of them things get tough. Maybe my constituents 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:34.160 wouldn't be too happy if. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.240 The other thing I don't understand about the Teals and 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.080 Liz you alluded to this is you know, they came 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:43.480 in twenty twenty two promising transparency and honesty and integrity 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:44.160 in politics. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.040 Oh, they were going to be the bat They were 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.080 going to be the light on the hill, the light 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:49.920 on the hill of Australian politics. 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.600 Everything that was wrong with the Australian government. They were 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:53.800 going to be the opposite. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.440 But here's the problem with their transparency and integrity. They 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.440 claim to be independents, but they vote together, they hold 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.280 press comfferences together, they have one common source of funding, 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.920 their advertising is all identical under the same banner, and 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.680 yet they keep insisting, no, no, we're not a political 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.160 party and therefore are exempt from the restrictions that normally 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.480 associated with a party. They operate as independence when it's 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:20.439 clear to everybody they're not, while comforting integrity and transparency. 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.480 I don't know how they have gotten away with that. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.719 Well, look, people elected them not knowing what they were 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:26.160 in for. 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.400 Four years later, people know what they're in for, and 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.800 I dare say they aren't going to do as well 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.560 at the next election. Probably many people can see that themselves, 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.920 in particular in the tea leaves coming up to the 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.320 next election, either in April or May of next year. 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.680 I imagine they're getting quite nervous to the States. Now, we're 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:51.320 a Jewish company by the name of Simon Weissenthal Center 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:57.120 has released advisory for Australia following last week's incident of 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:02.120 that terrible terrorist attack or should I say alleged terrorist 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.600 attack at this point, although I mean, who among us 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.560 isn't pretty confident this was a terrorist attack on the 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:15.320 synagogue in Melbourne. They've released advice telling Jewish people worldwide 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:21.480 to give Australia a wide birth. Here is Rabbi Abraham Cooper, 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:26.520 who's from the Simon Westenthal Center giving this travel rawning. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:27.840 He says in the letter to Kevin Rudd. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.480 Rabbi Cooper said the Center was outraged that its fellow 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.520 Jews in Australia were being targeted by hate crimes. Quote, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.040 we are not convinced that Jews are safe as the 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.480 authorities have failed to take necessary measures to protect Jewish 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:47.360 communities from increasingly belligerent and violent targeting by Islamists and 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:53.960 other extremists. Well, this is very intense. I would have 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.360 thought that he would at least just call out Sydney 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.679 and Melbourne and say don't go there. Those are the 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:03.440 hot spots of the pro Palestinian protesters of these increased 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:08.480 amounts of anti Semitic acts. However, he's saying Australia, why 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.120 like the entire nation avoid it. 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:11.960 I've got to. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.400 Say I do think that's a bit dramatic. I do 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.320 think that's a bit over the top. Jewish people are 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:22.600 safe in Australia, the vast amounts of Australia. But what 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.920 I think he's doing here is drawing attention to what 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.400 we draw attention to every single night, and that is 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.360 this government's utter failure to make Jewish people living in 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:37.240 Australia feel safe and it's worked because here we are 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.440 on the other side of the world talking about it, 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.960 and he's written this letter to Rudd, who we know 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.320 is the ambassador in America, the country in which he's living, 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.640 to try and get the ball rolling get some action 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.640 here in Australia. I don't like his chances though, Joe 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:59.160 Given Rudd and Albanizi are two peas in a pod. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.920 They've done anything but support each other. Do you think 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.319 that this, this attempt to get this. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:07.840 Kind of attention, get. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.840 Rudd's ear, who in turn will get alban Easy's ear, 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.120 will work and we'll finally seem so. 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.360 I think they say they say in politics are always 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.400 back self interest. It's the only horse you know that's 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.520 really trying. And I think Anthie Albanezi is getting the message. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.040 I think he understands now how serious he certainly would 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.480 have after his visit to the synagogue earlier today. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.839 Five days later, better late than ever, and I. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:37.400 Think he understands how seriously threatened and genuinely scared Jews 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.200 in Australia feel. This is something they have been shouting 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.000 from the rooftops and I've been trying to convey as well. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:47.680 But that I think there is some advice and center 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.520 is obviously a center that is completely notly focused on 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.880 anti Semitism found in the wake of the horrors of 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.520 the Holocaust, Nazi Jurnemy. And I think when people say, oh, 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:03.599 we condemn all forms of you know, racism, anti Semitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.960 and conflate all these things into the one basket, there 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.360 was only one of those groups. Where there have been 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:16.160 throughout human history by Christians, by Nazis, by people basically 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.720 right across the globe, and especially in Western Europe and 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.839 Asia and North and Africa. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:23.800 And the Middle East. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.559 There is only one group of people who fought thousands 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:31.640 and thousands of years, has been deliberately targeted, purged from countries, 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.400 from nation states time and time again, whether it be Morocco, 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.200 whether it be Elizabethan England, whether it be Nazi Germany 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:40.920 and the Eastern European countries that. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:42.480 Colonized and conquered. 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:48.680 And I don't think you can understand what is going 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.640 through the heads of the Jewish community without understanding that 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.000 less than a century ago, in living memory for some people, 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.280 eighty years ago, there were. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.800 Millions and millions and millions. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:06.000 Of people who were dedicated just to wiping them out, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.520 just to wiping them from the face of the planet. Now, 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.439 there are plenty of other people who have experienced oppression. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.280 There have been other genocides elsewhere in the world, but 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.480 we have never ever seen anything of that scale in 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.280 all of human history. And I dare say there has 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:24.640 never been a more continuous push, a more continuous. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:25.360 Pattern of pograms. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.600 Be it from Stalin's Russia, be it from the Tsars Russia, 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.160 be it from the Nazis, be it from medieval states 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.800 and early modern states in Western Europe. 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:41.040 These people have been genocided for one of a better words. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.920 People have been trying to wipe this people out, Jews 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.680 out for thousands and thousands of years, and the Nazis 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.560 came incredibly close. I think it was something close to 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.680 a third of all the Jews on the planet. And 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.680 so when you're talking about Israel just having one place 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.200 where they can actually feel safe, or whether you're talking 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:03.280 about not being able to leave their homes, not being 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.360 able to go to the opera house, to their own 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:11.800 memorial service, their own day morning, that plays pretty that 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.880 sets off some pretty major red flags. And I think 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.040 you cannot understand what is happening in Australia and fully 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.600 appreciate what it means, not just for the Jewish community 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:22.400 but for all of. 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.760 Us without understanding that we're. 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:29.320 About to embark on a road that starts with a 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:34.880 Roman rebelization of Israel two thousand years ago, continues with 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:39.680 medieval practices of killing Jews if they didn't convert, expelling 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.000 them from entire countries. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.400 And there is a thread that goes right up. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:50.480 To Nazi Germany and the industrial scale extermination of six 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.640 million souls, menenm and children as though they were animals, 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.280 and that happened in the middle of the twentieth century, 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.080 and we've got to get our heads around that. We 0:15:58.120 --> 0:15:59.480 will not understand what is happening. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.320 A few years ago and I went to the Holocaust Museum. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.360 I mean, you can spend hours there, but I really 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.400 didn't get past the first exhibit, which was a series 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.400 of videos from people who had lived through the Holocaust, 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.640 and what struck me was so many of them talked 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.840 about how they remember sitting at the family dining room 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.440 table and Mum would be saying we need to get 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:19.800 out of here, we need to get out of here, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:20.640 and Dad would. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:21.800 Be saying, no, no, no, it's not going to be 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.200 that bad. It's just a few little things, but it's 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:24.840 going to be okay. 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.360 Sure they closed our business, Sure they've got us to 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.440 wear the yellow star or whatever. And many of them 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.960 talked about the fact that they wish they'd listened to 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.400 their instinct and gotten out, the families would have survived. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.960 Others said they were glad that they had listened and 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.160 got out. And so I think what you're saying is 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.120 very true. And I've spoken to Jewish families here in 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:48.320 Sydney who are having those exact same discussions now, saying 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.760 it's in the living memory that we were talking about, 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:51.920 it's not that bad. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:53.280 Surely it won't get worse. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.840 And yet we're watching over fourteen months things get worse 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:01.040 and worse for this Jewish human rightsation, which is very 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.040 well respected for the first. 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:03.680 Time in their history. 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.439 To say to Jews around the world, don't go to 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.959 Australia unless its essential travel is just astonishing. I mean, 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.120 who amongst us ever thought that such a warning would 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.879 be issued for Australia. I was reading in the Times 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.280 of Israel that the number of apartments being purchased this 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.440 was just for the month of September by people outside 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.919 of Israel wanting to move back. There was up one 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:29.520 hundred and nineteen percent on September in the previous year. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.320 And these were Jews from around the world who figured, 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.560 you know what, it's actually safer to live in Israel, 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.560 where we're surrounded by armies committed to our destruction than 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.480 it is for us to live in many places around 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.680 the West, where we're not sure if we can even 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.719 trust our neighbors or supposedly democratic elected governments who are 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.720 supposed to keep us safe. Speaking of which, Anthony Albanesi's 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:56.280 job is to keep all Australians safe. His election campaign 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:00.400 catchphrases I've got your back. I'm not sure many would 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.040 be feeling elbows got their back when he waited, as 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.919 Liz said, almost five days before showing up at the 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.919 ripping Lee Synagogue in Melbourne. And you know, the fire 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.280 lasted longer than Albanzy's visit. In fact, his tennis game 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:15.960 lasted longer as well. 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:16.960 But show up he did. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:25.160 He didn't exactly get a warm reception. 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:38.720 Are you worried about? 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:40.880 Yes, they was a free. 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.960 You can hear their people saying you're late. He certainly was, 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.240 and of course have a look at this. People had 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:58.359 not forgotten his tennis match. Guy put back a guy 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.640 now Albany's. He did a quick tour of the synagogue, 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.160 then he made a short statement to the press, took 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.800 no questions and then disappeared for a I think he 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.399 had a private meeting with some of the leaders there. 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.880 One of the things he said in his brief statement 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.200 to the media, he said, we're a country that needs 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:21.360 to come together and unite. But it's funny Joe with Labor. 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.840 You know, they've got the PM right at the synagogue. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.840 This is the biggest thing in the country right now. 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.320 We've got to come together and unite, he says. At 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:32.000 that very moment, you've got Ed Husak, one of his 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:37.320 senior MPs, on Sky News saying, what about Islamophobia. I mean, now, 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.520 I'm not saying Islamophobia shouldn't be something that's abhorred as 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.959 much as anything else. But you're not talking about Islamophobia 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:45.920 when you've got your Prime Minister on his. 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.480 Much delayed visit to the synagogue. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.280 At the same time, you've got Penny Wong in South 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:56.960 Australia comparing Israel with China and with Russia. At the 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:01.560 same time, you've got Murray wat testing that Josh Friedenberg 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.800 was only really upset about the fire bombing at the 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:09.560 synagogue for rank political purposes. If Anthony alban Easy is serious, 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.840 we've got to come together and unite as a country. 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.560 Maybe talk to your senior team about coming together and 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.399 uniting and deciding this is the key issue in the 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.439 country right now without having the more free lancing with 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.320 one eye on votes in Western Sydney trying to walk 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:24.439 both sides of the street. 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:26.640 Look, I think it is a problem. I think as 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.520 there's a couple of things. I think Murray Watt, who 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.200 I like, but they were pretty silly comments. Josh Josh 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:32.359 Ryden was silly. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:33.040 I was disgraced. 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.760 Josh Fridenberg's parents were Holocaust survivors from Hungary. 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.840 The reason why he couldn't they couldn't find. 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.800 His previous citizenship is because his parents had fled for 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:43.240 their lives. 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.600 And as Murray What apologized for that comment, I think not. 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:47.320 I think, well, I think you know, we don't. 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:49.800 We don't nearly get into who has to walk the 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:51.000 walk of shame and stuff. 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.480 But again it's pretty shame. I think it's pretty silly. 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.679 Penny Wong's statements were obviously clearly unhelpful, and I think 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.360 it's it's pretty clear that Penny Wong has a conventional left. 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.320 Wing view of the Israel Palestine debate. 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.199 I think that is part of the problem in the 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:09.600 Labor Party that you have people and I think, honestly, 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.080 I genuinely believe that the scales are falling from Albow's 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.000 eyes and he's starting to realize just how much of 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:17.920 a white hot issue this is. 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:18.280 And how. 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.640 Well he's meeting with the Jewish leaders. Now he's appointed 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:26.639