Speaker 1: Appoche production.
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, thanks for tuning back into Tennis for Nurses.
Speaker 2: This week is Part B of our Gambling Conversation with
Speaker 2: turning point to Australia and where I had the absolute
Speaker 2: privilege of talking to Zen who's a social worker, and Kate,
Speaker 2: who has live life experience and is an advocate around
Speaker 2: gambling harm in Australia. The conversation was too big just
Speaker 2: to put in one episode, so I hope you get
Speaker 2: something out of Part B. I know I learned so
Speaker 2: much listening and talking to these amazing women, so enjoy
Speaker 2: just a little reminder that there may be some triggering
Speaker 2: conversations during this podcast, but honestly it's absolutely worth listening to.
Speaker 2: And guys, if you haven't listened to Part A of
Speaker 2: this conversation, it was last week's episode, so check out
Speaker 2: Tennis for Nurses and just make sure you listen to
Speaker 2: Part A of our Conversation around gambling.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 2: Hi, my name's Beck Goodbine, and welcome to Tenderness for Nurses.
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for the person that I have the opportunity
Speaker 3: to be, so I hit it and parked it for
Speaker 3: nearly four years. We always have free will, we always
Speaker 3: get to choose.
Speaker 1: We are autonomous.
Speaker 2: I am in complete and utter or of you, Kate,
Speaker 2: and hand on heart from someone who's had addiction issues,
Speaker 2: I truly mean that I am very aware with my
Speaker 2: personality of pokey machines. I don't have any apps on
Speaker 2: my phone, but I am very particular about those venues,
Speaker 2: mainly because I know how easy it is to get
Speaker 2: sucked into things and I don't want to go down
Speaker 2: that pathway. And a really interesting thing last year, I
Speaker 2: had to go to a conference and the only accommodation
Speaker 2: I could get in this down the Gold Coast was
Speaker 2: actually at the casino. It was a three day conference.
Speaker 2: I was there for three nights or two nights, and
Speaker 2: I ended up leaving the conference early because my anxiety
Speaker 2: and I couldn't work out why I was so anxious,
Speaker 2: you know, because I was with people. I knew it
Speaker 2: was a great conference. And then the penny dropped. It
Speaker 2: was staying at the casino. It was the energy that
Speaker 2: was in the casino. It was walking past all the
Speaker 2: noises and the and I don't have an issue with
Speaker 2: gambling per se, but I just think it was the
Speaker 2: energy of the place. It was so low and there
Speaker 2: were people there that just couldn't afford to be there,
Speaker 2: and there they were. And in the end, I was like,
Speaker 2: the conference is again this year, and it's like, there's
Speaker 2: no way on earth I am staying at that casino again.
Speaker 2: And I thought, isn't it interesting that I was so
Speaker 2: aware of it and could recognize the sensation of staying
Speaker 2: there and what it did to me. And I'm assuming, Kate,
Speaker 2: you would never go into a casino. I've had to
Speaker 2: give trainings to staff and things like that in venues
Speaker 2: with the work that I do as an advocate. It
Speaker 2: doesn't hold power over me now because I've liberated myself
Speaker 2: from the shame that was never mine to bear.
Speaker 1: This shame belongs on this industry.
Speaker 4: This shame belongs on governments and regulatory bodies that have
Speaker 4: failed to put consumer protections front and center.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 4: We shouldn't have thirty two billion dollars being lost out
Speaker 4: of our nation. It's a disgrace that that is happening
Speaker 4: under any prime minister's watch. And to point fingers and
Speaker 4: blame Albany, sorry, You've got to point the fingers all
Speaker 4: the way back to the fifties where this started and
Speaker 4: has never been rained in I just.
Speaker 2: Can't even comprehend thirty two billion.
Speaker 1: It's next level.
Speaker 3: It is for twenty seven million people, twenty seven million Australia,
Speaker 3: twenty seven million people, but thirty two billion dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 3: holy shit.
Speaker 2: When you put it that way, that blows my mind away.
Speaker 3: And though the types of statistics and facts which it
Speaker 3: is really important, like through turning point, We've got the
Speaker 3: Gambling Help Online website which has forums, and they are
Speaker 3: anonymous forums where people can connect with others, both loved
Speaker 3: ones and people who are gambling, who are wanting to
Speaker 3: make a change, like and a lot of it is
Speaker 3: just them learning these facts and going, oh my god. One,
Speaker 3: I'm not the only person going through this, or I'm
Speaker 3: not the only affected family member or loved one, and
Speaker 3: two I'm caught up in all of this with other people.
Speaker 3: I'm not on my own. I can break these things down.
Speaker 3: But being empowered with the knowledge, like the amount of
Speaker 3: just articles and information we're constantly putting onto the Gambling
Speaker 3: Help Online website, which is like kind of really basic,
Speaker 3: like these are the statistics. This is not on you,
Speaker 3: this is not about you, this is what is happening,
Speaker 3: this is the reality. Here are the pragmatic changes you
Speaker 3: can make. Here are the services you can access, but
Speaker 3: it is important that you have that bigger picture so
Speaker 3: you can feel, as you said, Kate, empowered, So the
Speaker 3: individuals can shed this shame, which yeah, it's not theirs
Speaker 3: to have. They are people who have been caught up
Speaker 3: in something which is insidious and so much bigger than
Speaker 3: we ever properly give credence to.
Speaker 2: So then if someone rings you up and they're at
Speaker 2: the end of their tether, like it sounded like Kate was,
Speaker 2: what are the steps you advise?
Speaker 3: I think as a counselor the first thing is actually
Speaker 3: sitting with someone in that space and acknowledging that just
Speaker 3: the level of stress, that sense of powerlessness, and then
Speaker 3: trying to work out what for them they can tangibly
Speaker 3: put in place and what do they need in that moment,
Speaker 3: and then moving forward. Depending on the state someone lives in,
Speaker 3: each state has different services and different things that can
Speaker 3: be put in place. Every state and territory, individuals and
Speaker 3: affected loved ones can all access gambling counseling and financial counseling.
Speaker 3: So if we're talking to someone on the Gambler's Helpline
Speaker 3: for Victoria, or Tasmania, we can do a facilitated referral
Speaker 3: through to their local gambling counseling service and also get
Speaker 3: them linked with a financial counselor that way we can
Speaker 3: assist them with getting to betstop or getting in contact
Speaker 3: with the state's relevant self exclusion services for the actual venues.
Speaker 3: When people come through on web chats, so that's anyone
Speaker 3: from the entire country, we can do those facilitated referrals
Speaker 3: again through to their local services so that the owners
Speaker 3: is on the service to contact the person, which takes
Speaker 3: a bit of the pressure off that person going, oh,
Speaker 3: I have to wait until nine am so I can
Speaker 3: call this service. No, the service has my information, they
Speaker 3: can reach out to me. I can get this support
Speaker 3: and really just talking people through what's available and also
Speaker 3: if someone's on the gambling help online website, what kind
Speaker 3: of resources can be useful for managing urgers, Linking in
Speaker 3: with the forum, getting connected with other people so they're
Speaker 3: feeling a bit less alone, and also at times having
Speaker 3: conversations with them about like who knows what's going on?
Speaker 3: Who do you feel comfortable having this conversation within your
Speaker 3: day to day life, and how can we help you
Speaker 3: get there. Do you need to write a little script
Speaker 3: about how you're going to tell a partner or a child.
Speaker 3: You know, let's workshop some of those things. Just getting
Speaker 3: the support, but the pragmatic, real life things that people
Speaker 3: have to do just as important.
Speaker 2: I know it was very important, and Kate, it resounded
Speaker 2: with me when you spoke with your twelve year old.
Speaker 2: I have spoken to both my kids and I wasn't
Speaker 2: a fall down drunk or any of that sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: but I did ask my kids if my drinking impact
Speaker 2: to them in some way. I think my words have
Speaker 2: I stuffed you up? And you know what that's going
Speaker 2: to know? We are really proud of you. And there's
Speaker 2: something I love with this younger generation and people who
Speaker 2: pooh or whatever, but this younger generation are all over
Speaker 2: empathy and caring, acceptance, and you know, you guys have
Speaker 2: got it nailed. It's my generation that are the ones
Speaker 2: that blame, shame, embarrassed, whereas this younger generation are so
Speaker 2: wonderful at being that little bit insightful and going, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're okay.
Speaker 1: I think I'm.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about it. And I think it's lovely
Speaker 2: what your son said. Kate and I have to also acknowledge,
Speaker 2: you must have a really beautiful husband.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just had twenty five years married and look, it's
Speaker 4: a miracle that we survived in and many marriages don't.
Speaker 4: And that's often because people are just operating out of
Speaker 4: their own sense of pain and aren't able to see
Speaker 4: the pain of the other person clearly enough. And that's
Speaker 4: completely valid, you know, because you don't know what you
Speaker 4: don't know. And it's not about assigning blame. It's about going, Okay,
Speaker 4: I did things that I wish I could have changed.
Speaker 4: He did things he wished he could have changed, and
Speaker 4: we both decided let's move forward together and not keep
Speaker 4: throwing our past in each other's faces. And as far
Speaker 4: as total transparency with the children, having that open dialogue
Speaker 4: always available if there's anything that they want to talk
Speaker 4: to me about or feel an impact from. But the
Speaker 4: proud of the work that I've done in this space,
Speaker 4: and it's given them a knowledge base in which to
Speaker 4: operate in the world with clear understanding of the way
Speaker 4: that it's designed to entrap people. So they not only
Speaker 4: know it for themselves, but they're looking out for their
Speaker 4: mates and making sure that none of their friends full
Speaker 4: victim to this industry because it's just waiting.
Speaker 1: Kate.
Speaker 2: I bet you've got really kind, insightful kids. They're pretty
Speaker 2: great because you've been honest with them. And I think
Speaker 2: that in itself is a gift you've given your.
Speaker 3: Kids, absolutely, and to the people they know. I mean,
Speaker 3: it makes such a big difference to their friends knowing
Speaker 3: that they have people they can be open with and
Speaker 3: they use that empathy and support and understanding. So it's
Speaker 3: a gift not just to your children, but to the
Speaker 3: people in their lives as well. There are so many
Speaker 3: ripple effects.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's so true. Hum what is the work you're doing.
Speaker 1: Now, Kate.
Speaker 4: Well, I've been a national advocate for gambling reform for
Speaker 4: the last day. I can't believe how long it is
Speaker 4: taking to get traction, to get movement, to get all
Speaker 4: this done. It's absolutely despicable. But I am not allowing
Speaker 4: this to keep going without a fight. And I think
Speaker 4: never in this country has there been a greater community
Speaker 4: sense of we've had enough, we've had enough, and it's
Speaker 4: up to the politicians now to listen to their communities
Speaker 4: and actually take action on this industry. Whereas I think
Speaker 4: in previous decades there just wasn't that community knowledge and
Speaker 4: understanding or pressure to create reform, so politicians felt like
Speaker 4: too vulnerable to put in place what needed to be
Speaker 4: put in place. So I think we're approaching a time
Speaker 4: where we hopefully will see all this hard work of
Speaker 4: educating the community. You know, I've spoken in schools, workplaces, universities,
Speaker 4: and it's so quick to be able to open people's
Speaker 4: eyes up to the reality of the environment that they're
Speaker 4: living in. But if you don't shine that light on
Speaker 4: it in a way that's helping them to feel empowered
Speaker 4: to create change, then we just accept the status quo.
Speaker 4: It's amazing how quickly people become advocates if they receive
Speaker 4: the right information.
Speaker 2: I mean, those numbers speak volumes, but how many people
Speaker 2: do they think are impacted by gambling harm?
Speaker 1: Firsthand?
Speaker 2: I'm not talking families or are there any statistics around
Speaker 2: the number of people that actually believe do have concerns
Speaker 2: around gambling.
Speaker 1: Gambling harm is a spectrum.
Speaker 4: Now, we don't talk about it like there's just people
Speaker 4: you know at this point end because it's all a
Speaker 4: grooming process of normalizing it and accessing it, so accessibility.
Speaker 4: Time spent engaging with the products equals harm, either in
Speaker 4: the short term or the long term, because it's still
Speaker 4: training your brain even if you don't engage with it
Speaker 4: for another decade. Then you lose a loved one and
Speaker 4: you go, oh, I'm going to find myself in this
Speaker 4: safe environment and get exploited down the track.
Speaker 1: Would you agree, Zent?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And I also think we have your emerging concerns
Speaker 3: now of younger people and in our purchases or like
Speaker 3: loot boxes in games, which are conditioning those neural pathways
Speaker 3: from such a young age and really priming very young
Speaker 3: children's brains.
Speaker 1: What's a loot box?
Speaker 3: A loot box in games? You can win a loot
Speaker 3: box which is basically just.
Speaker 1: A kind of a randomized prize.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a randomized prize in a game. And it's that
Speaker 3: same pattern of winning and the endorphin rush and the
Speaker 3: expectation that's been created for children and young people that
Speaker 3: primes their brains for gambling as they grow up. And
Speaker 3: we're seeing those emergent concerns now, and we hold the
Speaker 3: gambler's youth line here. We do get young people who
Speaker 3: are calling through with these concerns, and it's this I
Speaker 3: was playing video games as a kid and it went
Speaker 3: like this, and it's like, okay, well where do we
Speaker 3: start from. How young are people being targeted?
Speaker 2: So these apps that are on phones and me iPads whatever,
Speaker 2: they're playing a game and then they win a prize
Speaker 2: that might not be monetry, but they might get five
Speaker 2: more gos or something like that that's.
Speaker 1: A loop box.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or the win a skin for a game or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That then starts altering their brain, priming them, grooming them
Speaker 2: for gambling down the track.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, because it's eliciting the same neurological response
Speaker 3: that winning a free spin on the pokies or having
Speaker 3: a jackpot on the pokies does. It's the same neural
Speaker 3: pathways that are being targeted through these things, and it
Speaker 3: is damaging. It is problematic, and it's becoming more common.
Speaker 3: More research is being done into it. Now we have
Speaker 3: more of an understanding that there are these risks and
Speaker 3: exposures from a very young age for young people.
Speaker 4: The gambling companies have very much got children and women
Speaker 4: in their sites. So the merging of gambling and gaming
Speaker 4: has happened.
Speaker 1: It's here.
Speaker 4: So part of the talks I give each year is
Speaker 4: to occupational therapists in university, one of the lecturers gets
Speaker 4: me to come in to help them to understand how
Speaker 4: to advocate for their clients, especially neurodiverse children who once
Speaker 4: accessed gaming their social connection or they're safe place. They're
Speaker 4: now screaming at their parents to put more money on
Speaker 4: their steam to keep playing games, and it's just horrific.
Speaker 4: So if they're not prepared to know that that's gambling harm,
Speaker 4: just because it's in a game, it doesn't mean it's
Speaker 4: not gambling harm. It's the same companies are targeting an
Speaker 4: already addicted cohort for want of a better term, in
Speaker 4: the exact same way and financially exploiting them.
Speaker 1: Knock me over with a feather.
Speaker 2: I had no idea, and I'm pretty up to date
Speaker 2: with things, so therefore, if I have no idea, I
Speaker 2: can tell you the majority of Australians would have no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The co design of the program that's going into schools
Speaker 4: in the Act this year, it's called Getting Played. And
Speaker 4: when I was approached to help them with that, I said,
Speaker 4: I'm not interested in something that's just going to feel.
Speaker 1: The place of an education program.
Speaker 4: If this education program doesn't in fact inform children about
Speaker 4: what they're engaging with, because it's not about making people
Speaker 4: who do gamble feel dumb or stupid about being exploited.
Speaker 4: It's about highlighting the industry and how it is training
Speaker 4: them and grooming them for addiction so that they can
Speaker 4: then make empowered choices about their environment.
Speaker 3: That sounds really, really interesting, Kate. It's so important that
Speaker 3: we have these conversations with younger people, and we are
Speaker 3: treating younger people as intelligent individuals in their own right
Speaker 3: who need to be aware and fully understand what is
Speaker 3: happening and the realities of these situations.
Speaker 4: It's just not okay that they're expected to know how
Speaker 4: to navigate that. I mean, I thought I was an
Speaker 4: adult at eighteen and had no idea.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't discriminate.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if you are a child, it doesn't
Speaker 4: matter if you're in your eighties. You are still equally
Speaker 4: as vulnerable to being preyed upon.
Speaker 3: It. That's the reality we think about some of that
Speaker 3: language people use where they're like, I never thought this
Speaker 3: could happen to me because of X, and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: and again it comes back to kind of unpacking and
Speaker 3: shedding that shame. It's like it's not a reflection on you.
Speaker 3: You actually could not have done anything differently right now,
Speaker 3: this is the industry, this is how it works. You
Speaker 3: are still an intelligent, important individual. Now it's about moving
Speaker 3: forward and out of this. But it's not a reflection
Speaker 3: on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think it's everywhere? Everywhere? What hope do
Speaker 2: some people have?
Speaker 3: People can make changes, Yeah.
Speaker 4: But when you start looking at it through the correct lens,
Speaker 4: when you start to see it like the gross toxic
Speaker 4: space that it is, you know, changing your relationship with alcohol,
Speaker 4: when you go, okay, this is a toxic that I'm
Speaker 4: trying to ingest and pretend and that my body's okay
Speaker 4: with it. You know, if somebody finds out in their
Speaker 4: thirties that they're gluten intolerant, no one walks around going,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I can't believe. I can't you know,
Speaker 4: I'm such a bad human that I can't have gluten anymore.
Speaker 1: You accept it.
Speaker 4: You realize that that's a choice you are making for
Speaker 4: your own well being. If you choose to eat it,
Speaker 4: you're going to feel the effects of it, and it's
Speaker 4: not going to be okay. So why is there this
Speaker 4: difference between making an empowered choice about alcohol consumption or
Speaker 4: making an empowered choice about using gambling or not. You know,
Speaker 4: it's all about perspective and empowerment rather than saying you
Speaker 4: can't do this anymore, like no one can get shamed
Speaker 4: into changing, no period.
Speaker 2: But it's just so insidious from what you got, like
Speaker 2: how you're describing it's so insidious.
Speaker 3: It is insidious. And that's why we're a twenty four
Speaker 3: hour service. And I've spoken to people quite late into
Speaker 3: the evening and they've been like, ohla, glad you were there.
Speaker 3: I'm glad someone was there because for a lot of people,
Speaker 3: particularly early doors, when they're trying to readjust and they're
Speaker 3: trying to work through and begin to understand what they're
Speaker 3: doing in terms of their gambling, just having someone there
Speaker 3: they can talk to in those moments. And we have
Speaker 3: conversations with people where it's like, Okay, you're driving home,
Speaker 3: you can't avoid the Pokey's call us call us when
Speaker 3: you get into the car. Or do you have a
Speaker 3: friend that you can organize to speak to on these
Speaker 3: days so that gradually the mindset can shift and the
Speaker 3: focus can shift. And but there's work early doors in
Speaker 3: making these changes. I just wish that people gave themselves
Speaker 3: the grace to do that. And that's one of the
Speaker 3: big things I always talk about with people, is like,
Speaker 3: give yourself the grace to do this and to call
Speaker 3: us to reach out, to do whatever you need to
Speaker 3: do in these moments. Whatever you have to do to
Speaker 3: get through this is fine. It's for you. It's for
Speaker 3: your benefit.
Speaker 1: Not having an expectation of perfection.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, just allow yourself to be human and
Speaker 4: realize it took twenty years to condition you into a state.
Speaker 4: You have to give your time, your body time to
Speaker 4: adjust and don't let you know one day spo you know,
Speaker 4: spiral or have more power than it should. Just refocus
Speaker 4: and go, okay, what are my goals moving forward?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, And there are those days that are just
Speaker 3: more difficult. You know, we have people who are still
Speaker 3: getting in contact with us, either on the online forums
Speaker 3: on gambling help on the web, chats on the phone lines,
Speaker 3: and they'll be like, I haven't gambled in ten years,
Speaker 3: but today I just need to check in. And it's like, great,
Speaker 3: good on you. That is amazing. And sometimes those conversations
Speaker 3: and conversations I end up just going somewhere completely tangential
Speaker 3: because they really just needed a distraction and the support
Speaker 3: in that moment. And it's like, but this is still
Speaker 3: one because all how insideful, some days I'm more difficult.
Speaker 2: You're acknowledging that and the fact that you guys are
Speaker 2: there for them to turn to someone that isn't going
Speaker 2: to shame them, is open to the conversation, understands that,
Speaker 2: you know, they just need to chat.
Speaker 1: How good's that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It is. I think it's got Every state and
Speaker 3: territory has their services, and the various states and territories
Speaker 3: have the various services for affected loved ones as well.
Speaker 3: And it's always just particularly with those online spaces we
Speaker 3: have because they are anonymous, is just making sure people
Speaker 3: can break down the earlier barriers and really forge that
Speaker 3: connection early on. And sometimes people need to have those
Speaker 3: conversations like on the forum or viral web chat first
Speaker 3: where they're saying everything but there's no name or anything
Speaker 3: to it. They can be really anonymous and having that
Speaker 3: space allows them to build up to speak to someone
Speaker 3: on the phone, and then they speak to someone on
Speaker 3: a phone a few times, and then they can see
Speaker 3: the counselor and they may not have stopped gambling yet,
Speaker 3: but they just needed to go through those little steps
Speaker 3: and feel comfortable having those conversations and feel held and
Speaker 3: feel heard and supported, and then they can see someone
Speaker 3: face to face and they can start to work through
Speaker 3: how do I acknowledge this my family? What does that
Speaker 3: look like? But again giving themselves the grace to go
Speaker 3: through that process and recognize it's not always linear. And
Speaker 3: I wish as a society we were more patient with
Speaker 3: people in that way.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Then if someone is struggling with gambling harm, how do
Speaker 2: they get in touch with turning point?
Speaker 3: So for every state and territory, if they are wanting
Speaker 3: to speak to someone over the phone, so a gambling
Speaker 3: councilor twenty four hours a day for themselves or for
Speaker 3: someone else one eight hundred eight five eight eight five
Speaker 3: eight that's Gambler's Help line and that's every state of territory,
Speaker 3: twenty four hours for everyone. If you know someone's maybe
Speaker 3: not ready to speak to someone over the phone, or
Speaker 3: having a phone calls not con convenient at that time,
Speaker 3: they can speak to us via web chat through Gambling
Speaker 3: Help Online, and they can speak to your council twenty
Speaker 3: four to seven via web chat anonymously. Through there, they
Speaker 3: can access our online forums, so have that peer connection,
Speaker 3: and they can also access all of the information we
Speaker 3: have so psychoeducation around how to recognize gambling harm, what
Speaker 3: it means for them, how to manage urgers to gamble,
Speaker 3: things like that.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, and Kate, if we as a community want
Speaker 2: to see change in this space, what can we do?
Speaker 4: Book a room and get me to come and speak
Speaker 4: to your community. It's so important to educate your workplaces,
Speaker 4: your schools, your universities, your community groups so that they can,
Speaker 4: as I said, make empowered choices around this and start
Speaker 4: pushing back on environments. So lots of people will go
Speaker 4: to clubs hubs that have poke machines because they might
Speaker 4: have a cheap schnitzel. Well, guess what, Go support your
Speaker 4: local restaurant instead and make an empowered choice not to
Speaker 4: support an industry that is harming your community. Knowingly harming
Speaker 4: your community. There is a massive push of pokey free
Speaker 4: pubs and clubs that have had a look at the
Speaker 4: gambling environment. They're not waiting for it to be properly
Speaker 4: regulated and they've gone, you know what, I'm not okay
Speaker 4: with harming my community anymore. And they make an active
Speaker 4: choice to get out of gambling products. And I think
Speaker 4: that those venues need our support and encouragement because they
Speaker 4: are putting the community's needs first. And you know, if
Speaker 4: you're a business that can support a local soccer team
Speaker 4: or something, step up and be a sponsor so that
Speaker 4: your local club doesn't fill in that gap and then
Speaker 4: get to claim all this glory of shelling out one
Speaker 4: percent of the profits that they're making and threaten that,
Speaker 4: you know, kids' sports will go under it if anyone
Speaker 4: touches their poke machine revenue.
Speaker 3: Put pressure on your local member that we always say that,
Speaker 3: always put pressure on your local members. We have a
Speaker 3: lot of people coming through who are just generally concerned
Speaker 3: about gambling in the community. Put pressure on your local member.
Speaker 3: This is something that needs there need to be voices
Speaker 3: behind it, and we want those voices heard absolutely.
Speaker 1: And we need it.
Speaker 2: We need more voices in this area because there's support
Speaker 2: around alcohol, there's support around drugs, there's minimal support around gambling.
Speaker 2: And I think the conversation needs to be had. Ladies,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. We've gone way over time, but
Speaker 2: it has been enlightening and I've written things down and
Speaker 2: the statistics are mind boggling. Then, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for what you do for our community. You are a
Speaker 2: remarkable young woman and just keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2: And Kate, I feel like you're a sister from a
Speaker 2: different mister. It's just delighted you took the time to
Speaker 2: chat and just thank you for sharing. Your vulnerability was
Speaker 2: very appreciated. I can't help but have a cry these days,
Speaker 2: so that's just the menopause hidden me. But you're a
Speaker 2: remarkable woman and you know, thank you for sharing. But ladies,
Speaker 2: you guys are the bomb. And I have learned so
Speaker 2: much today on this podcast. So if I've learned heaps,
Speaker 2: I can tell you my listeners are going to too.
Speaker 2: And I just think it's something very valuable that we've
Speaker 2: shared today and that you guys have shared.
Speaker 3: So thank you, Thank you so much this opportunity, and
Speaker 3: it's been lovely meeting both you and again Kate, Yes,
Speaker 3: thank you for all of the work you've done and
Speaker 3: just the whole time i've been a social worker, you're
Speaker 3: working advocates. Has been so fantastic to see, So thank you, thank.
Speaker 2: You so wonderful. Thanks Kate.
Speaker 1: Thanks Then