Speaker 1: I got a team. It's the Bloody Youth Project. What
Speaker 1: else would it be, because that's what it says on
Speaker 1: the label. Tiffany and Cook. The boss of me is
Speaker 1: over there at typ Central with her big, weepy, horrible
Speaker 1: thing on her right shoulder. It's still no, it's not now,
Speaker 1: it's vanishing. You're probably not going to get a root
Speaker 1: anytime off your new bloke. But maybe if you keep
Speaker 1: that covered up. Dr Jeff's like, what's a root sex
Speaker 1: stoc over here? If you're rooting your fucking but in
Speaker 1: the States, you're cheering someone on. But tiff and her
Speaker 1: bloke they do both. They root and cheer each other on.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of mutual gratitude, well done, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm trying my best. So you know, it's a linguistic thing,
Speaker 1: it's a cultural thing, it's an international thing. But nonetheless,
Speaker 1: how is your leprosy tip? Is it clearing up?
Speaker 2: It's just kind of lingering, It's just there. It's a
Speaker 2: little bit painful.
Speaker 1: Well, if the good doc didn't live on the other
Speaker 1: side of the world, I'm sure it could give you
Speaker 1: something that might, you know, accelerate the healing. Tis Shawsha tips,
Speaker 1: Doc I was going to start a website called Shawosha
Speaker 1: Tips where people from all over the world just and
Speaker 1: now that I've said that, that's going to be live
Speaker 1: tomorrow with somebody else doing it. But anyway, right, doctor
Speaker 1: Jeff officially, Happy New Year, Happy post Christmas. How are you, buddy?
Speaker 3: I'm well, happy, happy to you and Tiff as well
Speaker 3: and yours. I'm good. I missed you, guys. I'm happy
Speaker 3: to talk to you and catch up and talk about
Speaker 3: all the exciting developments here. I think we should start
Speaker 3: out with our pyramids are upside down. Our food pyramid
Speaker 3: got flipped and we're changing everything. We had to empty
Speaker 3: my refrigerator and start over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or at least standing on your head. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's got to be some kind of compromise. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: let's open In Australia they say open the batting, which
Speaker 1: is like a cricket analogy. Let's open the batting with that.
Speaker 1: So what we your thoughts? Is it good? Is in
Speaker 1: your eyes? Is it good? Is it bad? Is it
Speaker 1: I know that it's created a massive polarizing interest on
Speaker 1: both sides over there. How did you read it?
Speaker 3: I don't think it's polarizing much. I think it's necessary.
Speaker 3: I think it's the knowledge has been here and healthy
Speaker 3: people have already flipped their own pyramid. I think it
Speaker 3: drives government payments for people who are less fortunate and
Speaker 3: need help with getting food, school lunches, things that are
Speaker 3: sort of scripted from a big brother. Yeah, and uncle Sam. Yes, so,
Speaker 3: and I understand how we got here, right. You know,
Speaker 3: after World War One and worse after World War Two,
Speaker 3: you know, there were people that in the planet, particularly
Speaker 3: our corner of it, that needed access to food source
Speaker 3: that could be shelf stable for a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and during the Cold War, you know, people
Speaker 3: were fixing their shelters, you know, stocking food that could
Speaker 3: last for years and years, so you canned foods, you
Speaker 3: have preservatives. And then so the carbohydrates were big and bold,
Speaker 3: and real whole foods weren't there. These were all sort
Speaker 3: of the dog foods, dog foods for human right, packaged
Speaker 3: foods that could last. And then it became well, what
Speaker 3: can we sell to kids? More colorful things, more sugar,
Speaker 3: you know, lace things. Sugar is the cocaine for kids, right,
Speaker 3: So we did this to ourselves, and so it's about
Speaker 3: time we flipped it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting. It's interesting the origin story of
Speaker 1: the food pyramid as it was, and the whole ansel
Speaker 1: Keys research fiasco and who funded the research. But there's
Speaker 1: quite a few parallel graphs on the interwebs about the
Speaker 1: introduction of low fat eating or the food pyramid and
Speaker 1: the increase in obesity. Like their theory was essentially low
Speaker 1: fat eating equals low fat population, you know, and yet
Speaker 1: the irony is, well, the opposite happened. The minute that
Speaker 1: we introduced low fat eating, we also introduced high sugar eating,
Speaker 1: high processed food eating, carbohydrate eating, and essentially from the
Speaker 1: day that started, obese levels started to increase. So do
Speaker 1: you think that's political and commercial?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 1: Un till fifty years?
Speaker 3: Oh? Oh, for sure. It's a lot cheaper for companies
Speaker 3: to produce preserve foods that don't expire, right, so they
Speaker 3: have a longer chance to sell them, and you know,
Speaker 3: they put they make them so amazingly tasting that everyone
Speaker 3: wants them, right instead of having real, real nutrient dense foods. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: that the cost is in the healthcare system. The foods
Speaker 3: are cheaper, the healthcare is way more yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it's effectively more expensive anyway, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And how has the general reaction been.
Speaker 3: I think it's actually been good. I haven't heard negative,
Speaker 3: and we hear plenty of negative over here. I haven't
Speaker 3: heard anything really negative about that except the people with
Speaker 3: you know, we call Trump rangent syndrome. Had anything Trump
Speaker 3: or his people say must be wrong. So therefore we
Speaker 3: go the opposite way. And there's a lot of that
Speaker 3: out there. And you know, you s see pictures of
Speaker 3: these people on the internet. They usually have multicolored and
Speaker 3: strange piercings and tattoos in places that you just wouldn't
Speaker 3: even consider.
Speaker 1: And also it seems like any kind of new health
Speaker 1: directive or finding or you know, kind of suggestion, all
Speaker 1: of these people come out of the woodwork and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: but RFK is not a doctor or it's like whoa, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not based on what he thinks, it's research based.
Speaker 1: It's and also he's seventy one and does twenty chin ups.
Speaker 3: So I.
Speaker 1: At the very least like the fact that the Director
Speaker 1: of National Health or whatever he's called is actually fit
Speaker 1: and strong and healthy. Like, I think that's not a
Speaker 1: bad it's not the worst starting point. I know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot more required. But the fact that he's in
Speaker 1: such phenomenal shape, atypical shape for somebody his age, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you and his philosophy is on how to
Speaker 1: eat and how to supplement and how to optimize health
Speaker 1: is probably not that far apart, right.
Speaker 3: Right, right, So I would agree with that. I think
Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of the things he espouses and
Speaker 3: is trying to bring to the forefront in a transparent
Speaker 3: way and create liberties and freedoms makes sense. I just
Speaker 3: wish the bureaucrats levels below him would would follow his lead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, all right, So I thought we
Speaker 1: might do something different today. I was literally talking to
Speaker 1: I've been talking to him, made of mind. His name's
Speaker 1: Jimmy Gwilt. Shout out to Jimmy. I see him in
Speaker 1: the morning at the cafes. He's so. You know, you've
Speaker 1: heard of AFL, right doc, AFL A A for Amanda
Speaker 1: or Apple AFL. So that's basically the NFL in Australia.
Speaker 1: So that's Australian Football League. So over here that's the
Speaker 1: biggest sport they get on a pretty regular basis. You know,
Speaker 1: sixty two one hundred thousand people at a game. So
Speaker 1: it's a big deal here. It's the national sport cricket
Speaker 1: of course, rugby of course, but AFL is very very
Speaker 1: popular anyway, So Jimmy was an AFL player for a
Speaker 1: long time where friends and now I was talking to
Speaker 1: him and he's got he's got tendnightis, he's got basically
Speaker 1: lateral epicond the lightis or tennis elbow or whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it. And he was asking me what
Speaker 1: do you think of peptides? And I'm like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I think they can be helpful, but I'm not a
Speaker 1: guru at all. He goes, are there any peptides I
Speaker 1: can take? Or is they're a peptide? And in Australia
Speaker 1: it's a slippery slope of fockery because you know, it's
Speaker 1: still not it's not really legal. It's it's a bit messy,
Speaker 1: it's a bit unregulated, it's a bit everything. But let's
Speaker 1: put that aside for the moment. So, are there any
Speaker 1: peptides that you would recommend for like muscular injuries like
Speaker 1: that or inflammation or it's almost like where that what
Speaker 1: is it? Brachio radialis inserts into the elbow, But yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, what's something that would work for that, or
Speaker 1: maybe treat that we.
Speaker 3: Would start Jimmy on a wolverine protocol, and that the
Speaker 3: protocol would include a number of peptides blended together. The
Speaker 3: first one is called BPC one five seven or Body
Speaker 3: Protection Compound one five to seven, naturally occurring in gastric juice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting he vomited up some gastric juice and
Speaker 3: injected into his elbow, but this is isolated from gastric juice.
Speaker 3: So it's we make it and it's naturally occurring. You
Speaker 3: just need to concentrate it in certain areas. It's heavily
Speaker 3: anti inflammatory and supports muscular skeletal healing regeneration. Typically combined
Speaker 3: with it is another one called TB five hundred thymysy
Speaker 3: data five hundred thymusin means that it was identified from
Speaker 3: the famous gland you don't hear much about since they
Speaker 3: kind of shrivel up and die, but they support our
Speaker 3: immune system. And this is an extract therefrom and them,
Speaker 3: and that can be angiogenic new blood vessels healing. The
Speaker 3: two of them together are synergistically regenerative. Commonly, the two
Speaker 3: of them with another one are referred to, you know
Speaker 3: as the Wolverine protocol. So Wolverine the character who can
Speaker 3: heal himself. Right. So the third element might be the
Speaker 3: copper peptide might be one called KPV. We both have
Speaker 3: anti inflammatory and restorative properties. So the two main ones
Speaker 3: plus remindus the third one can be quite useful. Now
Speaker 3: by itself, you know, we don't like to do that.
Speaker 3: We do like to look at the lifestyle, the diet,
Speaker 3: everything related to inflammation to see what else we can
Speaker 3: clean up. You know, if Jimmy is at the cafe
Speaker 3: and for breakfast, having you know, a Foster's, then it's
Speaker 3: probably we probably need to have a different discussion first.
Speaker 3: And a croissant, right, a croissant, yeah, yes, And and
Speaker 3: here here you know, croissants are very delicious, but they
Speaker 3: they're very high in calories. You know, they've got layers
Speaker 3: and layers of of butter. Not the butter is bad necessarily,
Speaker 3: but they could be high in calories. And they're all
Speaker 3: carbs really except for the butter.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so there are peptides. That's a it's a
Speaker 3: low hanging fruit application.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So what I did was I put
Speaker 1: on one of my pages that I'm chatting with you. Now,
Speaker 1: just remember everybody, none of this is we're just talking.
Speaker 1: So let's call these hypothetical people. But and so doctor
Speaker 1: Jef's not recommending you do anything. But if these were
Speaker 1: patients of yours, which they're not, but if they were,
Speaker 1: so I got I actually had. I thought I might
Speaker 1: get five or ten. I actually had like fucking fifty
Speaker 1: or something. People, I'm like, wow, so I've got twenty
Speaker 1: in front of me. I'm going to see how we go.
Speaker 1: So talk as long as you want, but if you
Speaker 1: could keep each answer to one or two minutes, that's
Speaker 1: probably good because it will help us get through a bunch. Okay,
Speaker 1: hypothetical mark from Perth mark.
Speaker 3: Which is the hypothetical part mark or Perth.
Speaker 1: Fifty two also hypothetically fifty two. I've got ni osteoarthritis
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to avoid a replacement. Do stem cell
Speaker 1: or PRP injections actually rebuild cartilage or do they just
Speaker 1: reduce pain? And then he's got all questions my question
Speaker 1: mark question mark.
Speaker 3: From an educational perspective, PRP is not strong enough to
Speaker 3: really regenerate cartilage, but it will suppress inflammation related to pain.
Speaker 3: It won't suppress the mechanical loss of cartilage pain, so
Speaker 3: the dull achy pain, but some of the more acute
Speaker 3: inflammatory pain. It can suppress the stem cells or the
Speaker 3: stem cell exosomes, which is the signaling from stem cells.
Speaker 3: We have demonstrated to regenerate cartilage. It's it's demonstrated in
Speaker 3: the literature. We have it anecdotally. We have before and
Speaker 3: after r people. It takes about a year.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: It has to be targeted just right. It's more effective
Speaker 3: if you're not completely lost, you haven't completely lost all
Speaker 3: your cartilage. It's a lot easier to do if you
Speaker 3: have some cartilage left. Of course, we again with those people,
Speaker 3: we do stack peptides, wolverine protocol, We do look at
Speaker 3: their lifestyle, their diet, their supplements, their everything. We want
Speaker 3: to stack the deck in your favor. And that's one
Speaker 3: of the most frequent things we do here is take
Speaker 3: people facing a joint replacement and turn them around.
Speaker 1: That's an amazing capacity to be able to do that,
Speaker 1: all right. Hypothetical Sophie from Hypothetical Sydney. I've had Charlton
Speaker 1: Pine for three years after I don't want to say CrossFit,
Speaker 1: but that's what she wrote. Sorry, CrossFit. CrossFit is pretty
Speaker 1: good for a lot of people, but everything can injure.
Speaker 1: You keep that in mind, kids. Charlote Pine three year
Speaker 1: is my scans say, tend anopathy, what camera regenitor regenerative
Speaker 1: medicine do for tendon damage if anything?
Speaker 3: Yeah, tendinopathy has an inflammatory component. We approach it, you know,
Speaker 3: the same way we would. We would consider some peptides.
Speaker 3: The regenerative biologics from prp UP through stem cells and
Speaker 3: exosomes can have a role in helping that. We want
Speaker 3: to reduce the inflammation and then return some flexibility to
Speaker 3: the tendons. So we might recommend some flexibility work, some yoga,
Speaker 3: some really good stretches, and then we would talk. We
Speaker 3: would look at some labs and you know, see, you know,
Speaker 3: the body tends to dry out, the structures dry, they're
Speaker 3: more likely to crack, break achilles tendons, rupture, things like that.
Speaker 3: So we would look at the hormone profile. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: often that is the thing. I realized that might be
Speaker 3: difficult where you are to get but it is one
Speaker 3: of the keys to longevity. Medicine is maintaining a youthful
Speaker 3: hormone profile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, Greg Melbourne. I've been told my spinal discs degenerating,
Speaker 1: is that just aging or camera generative therapies actually reverse it.
Speaker 3: We have seen some cases where we have some improvements
Speaker 3: in disc. Disc is sort of the holy grail. The
Speaker 3: they're not as easy to see benefits as regular joints are.
Speaker 3: But we have something on a coming that we're working
Speaker 3: on here called the disk sandwich therapy that I coined,
Speaker 3: where we we will do typical regenerative biologics derived from
Speaker 3: stem cells in the bone above and below the disc,
Speaker 3: and then the disc we're going to be inserting something
Speaker 3: called meuse. And this is a subset of stem cells
Speaker 3: that are becoming more popular. About one percent of our
Speaker 3: stem cells are muse. They're smaller, they're more powerful, they're
Speaker 3: hard to collect because they they're such a small proponent
Speaker 3: of or component of stem cells in general. But they
Speaker 3: are now becoming more available. And there was a study
Speaker 3: out of China, I think a year or two ago,
Speaker 3: using muse cells in a hydrogel to regenerate disks. So
Speaker 3: we are seeking to improve upon that and then and
Speaker 3: then we can re answer that question with more robust positivity.
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Uh Lillam, I tored my ICL two years
Speaker 1: ago and it never felt right again. Could stem cell
Speaker 1: stem cells help avoid another surgery? Uh?
Speaker 3: The ACL? So potentially was the ACL repaired? Is you
Speaker 3: know the only time we've had stem cells help repair
Speaker 3: and a S was when it's not fully torn and
Speaker 3: it's really acute. We have some examples of that. But
Speaker 3: if it's if it's an old tear and the sides
Speaker 3: have pulled away, it's not repaired. Putting stem cells in
Speaker 3: there are not going to regenerate that. You still have
Speaker 3: to have that repaired. But yes, it can help the
Speaker 3: rest of the knee. It can help the muscles strengthen,
Speaker 3: and if you have to do the work still right,
Speaker 3: you have to rebuild rehability and build the muscles, strengthen
Speaker 3: the surrounding structures including the other leg including the hips
Speaker 3: and the ankles, and mechanics mechanics, mechanics, right, So the
Speaker 3: answer is most probably yes.
Speaker 1: I think you had a surgery. Could stem cells help
Speaker 1: me avoid another surgery? So yeah, Helen seventy gold lucky
Speaker 1: you Hell, I've got arthritis in my hands and hips.
Speaker 1: Oh not so lucky at my age is regenerative medicine
Speaker 1: is still worth considering.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, she's seven. Absolutely. I have this sweet eighty one
Speaker 3: year old that comes in every other year for stem
Speaker 3: cell access m IV. And she's got osteoarthritic aches and
Speaker 3: pains and many joints throughout her body, and she gets
Speaker 3: so bad she can't paint her her crafting her she
Speaker 3: gets these large river rocks and she eats colorful things
Speaker 3: and gives them out as paperweight gifts. I've got one
Speaker 3: in my other room. She she gets an IV and
Speaker 3: she feels amazing for up to two years at a time.
Speaker 3: And she said, when do I come back? I said,
Speaker 3: you let me know when you're ready. We see her
Speaker 3: about every two years.
Speaker 1: That's bad for business. You need to get one that
Speaker 1: I'm in the last two weeks.
Speaker 3: You're right, I'm not thinking this through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stop being so fucking NRS Jack forty four. I
Speaker 1: have a chronic law back pain with no clear cause.
Speaker 1: Would stem cell therapy help nerve related pain or only
Speaker 1: joint damage?
Speaker 3: So I would seek to find that cause. To me,
Speaker 3: that's just an incomplete diagnostic. We just need to work
Speaker 3: that out. But separate from that, there are approaches for
Speaker 3: nerve pain with regenerative medicine. There are approaches for joint
Speaker 3: related inflammatory pain, and sometimes it's some of both. But
Speaker 3: it's about the targeting. It's not just you know what
Speaker 3: the cause is, but exactly where it is so we
Speaker 3: can put it in the right place. So this is
Speaker 3: where high quality MRIs with all the bells and whistles
Speaker 3: are done. Three tesla MRI with all kinds of sequences
Speaker 3: we ask for. It's like a secret menu you have
Speaker 3: to know about. You can't just check a box as
Speaker 3: MRI lower spine. Yeah. And then it's about correlating the
Speaker 3: findings on the MRI with someone who knows what they're
Speaker 3: looking at to the actual symptoms. You need to be
Speaker 3: asked a hundred questions. Where does it hurt, what sets
Speaker 3: it off? What makes it better? Does it radiate? Show
Speaker 3: me how big the spot is where it hurts, how
Speaker 3: deep is it? You know? And there's an art to this,
Speaker 3: and it has to be it takes time.
Speaker 1: Well, you would know you're a spinal surgeon among other things.
Speaker 3: You know, I got to tell you that you see
Speaker 3: one hundred patients, there's going to be one of them
Speaker 3: who you keep looking and looking and looking and it's
Speaker 3: not clear that there is an anatomic source and that
Speaker 3: does happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so what are you doing that?
Speaker 3: Cause you keep looking, you might try some nerve blocks
Speaker 3: or numbing blocks of joints and things to Sometimes it's
Speaker 3: like going to the fuse box. You have that you
Speaker 3: call the fuse boxes down there. Okay, so you go
Speaker 3: to the fuse box outside the house because you want
Speaker 3: to change a light fixture in the bathroom and you
Speaker 3: don't know which you know, no one labeled the fuses,
Speaker 3: so you've got to figure out which one shuts off
Speaker 3: the bathroom because you want to turn off the power
Speaker 3: so you won't electrocute yourself during the during the changing
Speaker 3: the thick of the light fixture, so you know, you
Speaker 3: start throwing one switch at a time. And that's sometimes
Speaker 3: what these numbing blocks do. We turn off the sensation
Speaker 3: of a joint or of a nerve area or something
Speaker 3: to see if we can make that pain temporarily go away.
Speaker 3: Because if you can make it temporarily go away, then
Speaker 3: there's likely a solution that can make it go away
Speaker 3: well for longer periods of time, maybe forever.
Speaker 1: Yes, this next one, I've just read her right she's
Speaker 1: thirty four. Its could be premature this question, but anyway,
Speaker 1: maybe it's the perfect time. I'm trying to optimize longevity.
Speaker 1: Stem cells just for injuries or can they be used
Speaker 1: preventatively for aging? Some pretty good question here.
Speaker 3: Great, these questions are fantastic. You couldn't have done a
Speaker 3: better job getting it. They were long.
Speaker 1: They were all longer, like some of them were a paragraph.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not reading a paragraph, but I just
Speaker 1: like all of the stuff that I'm reading was within
Speaker 1: the thing. Some of them were this short and this specific.
Speaker 1: But I just took the main question and because otherwise
Speaker 1: we'd be twenty minutes on each person. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: trying to optimize longevity. Ask themselves just for injuries or
Speaker 1: can they be used preventatively for aging?
Speaker 3: No, it's a great question. And I love that we're
Speaker 3: hearing from a younger person about this because the earlier
Speaker 3: you start taking action and the more you do over
Speaker 3: your life span, the better the result, the longer you
Speaker 3: will live. And if I could script out the perfect
Speaker 3: storm of a longevity plan, it would be starting in
Speaker 3: your twenties and thirties. So, and I have people younger
Speaker 3: people who are enthusiastic about this in the biohacking crowd,
Speaker 3: and they do come for ivs once every six months,
Speaker 3: once every twelve months. And yes, anything you do that
Speaker 3: suppresses inflammation, including stem cells, regenerative medicine and other things
Speaker 3: will slow the aging of your cells. And you've just
Speaker 3: slow the aging of yourselves. You're slowing the aging of yourselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh, I see what you did there. I
Speaker 1: see that.
Speaker 3: It's just a slight little okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Steve Corell, you're on fire today. Ah. Nina.
Speaker 1: By the way, nanas from Barron Bay. I'm also jealous.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Barron Bay? Doc? No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: very nice place. It's on the coast. It's at the
Speaker 1: top of New South Wales Tiff, isn't it. It's not
Speaker 1: quite in Queensland, I think, so, yeah, just find that
Speaker 1: out and if I'm wrong, correct me. Tom forty nine camera.
Speaker 1: I had a cuff surgery five years ago and it
Speaker 1: never fully healed. Can regenerative treatments fix old surgical damage?
Speaker 1: That's kind of lot when we had a few guide ye,
Speaker 1: So you know.
Speaker 3: Two things my two antennae go up. Antenna one is
Speaker 3: did the surgery not fully repair things. You know, has
Speaker 3: there been an MRI to take a deeper look and
Speaker 3: see what's still going on? Or number or number two,
Speaker 3: is it's still just you know, leftover damage from the
Speaker 3: underlying injury that caused the problem in the first place.
Speaker 3: The answer is there may be an approach for regenerative
Speaker 3: medicine to both of those, and again it would be
Speaker 3: targeted off. We have a really well done MRI three
Speaker 3: Tesla with inversion recovery sequences, thin slices. I mean you
Speaker 3: this is like you know, you've got to be really
Speaker 3: detailed and and the the issues will likely show themselves.
Speaker 3: Of course, we match that with where the pain is
Speaker 3: and what movements make it worse, and what functions you
Speaker 3: struggle with, you know, is it overhead lifting? Is it rotation?
Speaker 3: Is you know what? And then from there we can
Speaker 3: build a plan and give it a try.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if it's like me, it's putting on your
Speaker 1: seat belt, external rotation, it's like my left shoulders ratshet clinically,
Speaker 1: I think that's the diagnosis. And also through TESLA, not
Speaker 1: to be confused with the TESLA three.
Speaker 3: Correct, well done, well done, You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Who is that? Tom Maria fifty six Melbourne, him, Maria,
Speaker 1: I have early hip pathritis. What does that even mean?
Speaker 1: I have early hip pathritis and I'm terrified of a replacement?
Speaker 1: You and me both, Maria. How effective our regenerative injections
Speaker 1: at delaying surgery. I'm not sure exactly what she's asking, but.
Speaker 3: I have this. This is a great question, and it's
Speaker 3: great that you caught it early. And let's talk about
Speaker 3: the word arthritis, because a lot of physicians throw that
Speaker 3: word out there, and it's kind of unfair. It's a
Speaker 3: little too broad. So when a joint wears down, whether
Speaker 3: it's from repetitive use, maybe a focal injury at one
Speaker 3: time that's catching up with you later, or just hard living,
Speaker 3: it gives you inflammation. It affects a joint. It's called osteoarthritis.
Speaker 3: Now that's separate from a disease called rheumatoid arthritis. That's
Speaker 3: a genetic disease, and although both can lead to inflammation,
Speaker 3: and that inflammation causes degeneration of joints. First, usually the
Speaker 3: cartilage layer. And as you lose that cartilage layer, and
Speaker 3: the word for that is chondro Malaysia, you lose the
Speaker 3: cartilage layer, and then you lose the cushion and things
Speaker 3: start to hurt because bone is rubbing on bone at
Speaker 3: some point, which is sort of the ends age of that.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about cartilage production when you are a
Speaker 3: fetus in Craig, you remember being a fetus of course.
Speaker 1: Nine months off. I fucking loved it. I was so comfy.
Speaker 3: The the you're you're producing cartilage, you're making the joints,
Speaker 3: and you're doing it from a set of cells that
Speaker 3: live in what are called the growth plates of the bone.
Speaker 3: So that that concept is the bone makes the cartilage.
Speaker 3: So when you're getting injections, the best injections to restimulate
Speaker 3: that factory is a bone injection, not a cartilage injection.
Speaker 3: Cartilage is barely cellular. It's it's basically biological rubber. So Tiff,
Speaker 3: just like hair grows from the follicles in your scalp,
Speaker 3: I excluded you, Craig. The follicle grows, the fall produces
Speaker 3: the protein of hair. Yeah, he's never gonna let me
Speaker 3: on the show again, is he? Oh?
Speaker 1: I will die back. In therapy for Johmbar.
Speaker 3: The bone produces the protein of cartilage. So if you're
Speaker 3: getting injections of regenerative injections into the cartilage space that
Speaker 3: has the lesser outcome than injecting the bone. So the
Speaker 3: French literature has proven this, and a lot of what
Speaker 3: we do follows some of that literature. They have over
Speaker 3: fifteen year follow up comparing bone injections to cartlage injections
Speaker 3: in the same patient. One knee gets the bone, one
Speaker 3: knee gets the cartilage. Over eighty two percent at fifteen
Speaker 3: years having had the bone injection are still able. They're
Speaker 3: doing well enough to avoid a surgery, whereas the cartilage injected.
Speaker 3: The joint injected group what we call intra articular group
Speaker 3: now only twenty percent of fifteen years. So we know
Speaker 3: that the party is in the bone edge, in the
Speaker 3: growth plate, and that's why we inject the bone. Now
Speaker 3: that sounds painful, but we do sedate people for that procedure.
Speaker 3: So back to the underlying question, Yes, there there are
Speaker 3: approaches we do. I could do quite a bit of
Speaker 3: hip and join injections to help people avoid surgery. But
Speaker 3: when we say joint, I'm talking about the bone above
Speaker 3: and below the joint.
Speaker 1: I want to say the needle that gets injected into
Speaker 1: a bone that must be imagine it's.
Speaker 3: A little old. I don't have one here, handy, but
Speaker 3: it's a little drill, little.
Speaker 1: Plastic that might so much bitter. She's out, she's like,
Speaker 1: fuck you drill. Wow. So it's a little drill. So
Speaker 1: you drill it in and then you put the drug
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the drill inserts a needle and bone needle. It's
Speaker 3: a fifteen engaged needle. And then I do it under fluoroscopy,
Speaker 3: which is X ray guidance. Target it on what I've
Speaker 3: seen on the MRI. So I match up the entry point,
Speaker 3: the depths, the angles. I know exactly where to go.
Speaker 3: Then I deliver the the you know biologics. Usually a
Speaker 3: stem cell derived exosome amniotic fluid has growth factors that
Speaker 3: has stem cell signaling, and and that's when we see
Speaker 3: really wonderful things start to happen on the In the
Speaker 3: vast majority of the cases, improve cartilage, improve, reduced pain,
Speaker 3: reduced inflammation, bigger smiles, more activity.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you and I should book in a week
Speaker 1: either with the good doc, it might be bringing your
Speaker 1: bloke along. He's pretty fucked and old as well. He's like,
Speaker 1: he's not the poster boy for broken Uh, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know we could just book him up for a week.
Speaker 1: We'd have to you'd have to sell a kidney and
Speaker 1: not have to sell I don't know something, wouldn't you
Speaker 1: could sell that? We could go what do he said?
Speaker 1: We could go and get an assessment and then get
Speaker 1: a pro and then just pop back once a year
Speaker 1: for a fucking top up for it might be cheaper
Speaker 1: just to fly him. Oh no, we can't do it
Speaker 1: in Australia. Everything's illegal. This podcast probably illegal. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Ben. Oh we've got a dude and
Speaker 1: he's thirty one. Hey Ben, thanks for being part of
Speaker 1: my very old listening group. No, not that ot Ben
Speaker 1: thirty one, Sydney. I am a competitive runner, of course
Speaker 1: you are. With recurring hamstring tears can stem cells, strengthen
Speaker 1: tissue so it stops reinjuring.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a role there. It would suppress the inflammation.
Speaker 3: We would probably stack some peptides to help the courtlage
Speaker 3: structures the muscles in that area. You know, some really
Speaker 3: good rehabilitative activities you could learn to do for hamstring stretching,
Speaker 3: because we want to have more range. You know, runners
Speaker 3: get tight, they get tight hamstrings, and it's it's there,
Speaker 3: it's their albatross. In fact, I would say their hamstring
Speaker 3: could be their achilles.
Speaker 1: Heel, oh look at what you did there? Yeah wow,
Speaker 1: he truly is Steve Carrell tonight. Okay, so this is
Speaker 1: from Diane who's in Hobart. Do you know where Hobart is, Docicer,
Speaker 1: Hobart is the capital of Tasmania, down the bottom of Aussie,
Speaker 1: down the bottom of us. Got it's not lon Sston,
Speaker 1: is it? It is Hobart. Yeah. I just had a
Speaker 1: moment there where I was guessing myself that's where Tiff
Speaker 1: was born.
Speaker 2: That's why she's got that Tazzy is, but not Hobart.
Speaker 1: Or well Tazzy. I mean it's only about fucking three
Speaker 1: miles long, so that's not I mean, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like a town. No, it's beautiful. I love Tazzy. Diane
Speaker 1: sixty three Hobart. I've got spinal canals. Well she doesn't
Speaker 1: say canal. I chuck that in there. I've got spinal
Speaker 1: stenosis and numbness in my legs. Is that something we're
Speaker 1: generative medicine can help? Or is surgery the only option? So?
Speaker 1: So stenosis is basically the narrowing of the like the
Speaker 1: passage where the nerves go through. As I understand it, Doc,
Speaker 1: and so ergo, numbness in her legs. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Well, we will speak generally here because she didn't specify
Speaker 3: if the numbness, sorry, if the stenesis is in the
Speaker 3: lower spine, lumber spine or the knight because you can
Speaker 3: have stenosis in the neck affecting the fibers all the
Speaker 3: way down. But let's assume it is a lower back
Speaker 3: issue with next next question is what's causing a stenosis?
Speaker 3: Is she born with it? Some people are born with
Speaker 3: the narrow canal to begin with, and then or is
Speaker 3: it acquired? Did she develop her neiated discs that are
Speaker 3: that have slid into to that area, or accumulation of
Speaker 3: degenerative you know, build up which we see as well.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a combination of those things. We don't yet
Speaker 3: have a regenerative option to open up the canal. We
Speaker 3: have an option regenerative options, do you know, reduce the
Speaker 3: inflammation if there are symptoms. But at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, sometimes you just need more space, you need
Speaker 3: you need to add an addition to your house. Yeah,
Speaker 3: surgically perfect.
Speaker 1: I get it. What are we up to? Josh? Have
Speaker 1: we got Josh? I'm just looking at it. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find them all. Let's go with Rebecca. I think
Speaker 1: this is maybe a bit different for Rebecca forty seven, Melbourne.
Speaker 1: I'm perimenopausal and everything feels inflamed and ikey, tif just
Speaker 1: put up a hand. Is that your sister from another? Mister? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so TIFF's sister from an other the mister Rebecca says
Speaker 1: on perimenopausal and everything basically feels shit. Does regenerative medicine
Speaker 1: interact with hormonologing?
Speaker 3: Good question, It can somewhat. But what we really need
Speaker 3: here is to pull you back from perimenopause with optimal
Speaker 3: youthful hormone restoration bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. The longer you
Speaker 3: have cycles, the longer you will live. Period. If you
Speaker 3: have a.
Speaker 1: Child, no pun intended? Yeah right, yeah, so what you
Speaker 1: did they you didn't even know it?
Speaker 3: I did it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, period, no pun intended.
Speaker 3: No pun intended. So having recovered from that, the you.
Speaker 1: To a slow Seriously, you might be need to get
Speaker 1: on some kind of some new tropic both. You mightbe
Speaker 1: hit the ratan before you jump on close.
Speaker 3: I've got some creatin gummies that we're sampling right here.
Speaker 1: I could Yeah, sure they sure, they cretan absolutely cree
Speaker 1: and that's what calls them too.
Speaker 3: I probably need one of those. Okay, So, hormone replacements
Speaker 3: the key to staying young, delaying perimenopause, to delaying menopause
Speaker 3: because the long term anti inflammatory and cellular health benefits
Speaker 3: will reduce the inflammation will slowly be eight of the cells,
Speaker 3: will promote better tissues. You know, we're seeing all these
Speaker 3: peri and innermenopausal women with hip pain. They get these
Speaker 3: tennopathies and glue deal teninopthies, and they call it. They
Speaker 3: go in thinking they have a degenerated hip, but it's
Speaker 3: really just their tenons are drying out. Their skin is
Speaker 3: drying out, their eyes are drying out, their lips are
Speaker 3: drying out. Everything's drying out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just having a scroll. So let's do three more.
Speaker 1: Does that work for you? Doc? Have you got the time?
Speaker 3: I could do thirty more?
Speaker 1: Oh? Give you up? All right, So let's go. Josh
Speaker 1: and I we just did Oh oh no, that was Ben.
Speaker 1: That was Oh another dude. Welcome Josh, I've got elbow
Speaker 1: and wrist pine from years of desk work and lifting.
Speaker 1: Would PRP or stem cells or something else help for
Speaker 1: overuse injuries?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we take a good look at you particularly,
Speaker 3: but yeah, we would start out with, you know, peptides.
Speaker 3: Potentially PRP is a great option all the way up
Speaker 3: through something in the stem cell realm because you think
Speaker 3: about PRP is a low grade regenerative stem cells and
Speaker 3: exersons being higher in potency. Yeah, there's be great options
Speaker 3: for inflammatory based pain, particularly if we have a target
Speaker 3: on MRI.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, it really helps us put it in the right place,
Speaker 3: you know, but that doesn't replace a good rehab program, stretching, strengthening, amtory,
Speaker 3: lifestyle behaving.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I get it. Steve fifty five Newcastle? Do
Speaker 1: you say Newcastle? Tiff on? Newcastle?
Speaker 2: Newcastle?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's very posh Newcastle. Hello Steve fifty five from
Speaker 1: Newcastle and welcome back, Welcome back to the you project.
Speaker 1: That sounded creepy as fuck. Don't do that, I'll get
Speaker 1: a tiff. Do you like games? It's not as bad
Speaker 1: as that, though, is it?
Speaker 2: Hey, not bring that one out? How are you often? Milita?
Speaker 2: And I had to deal with that voice.
Speaker 1: They would, how are you tiff? All right, let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's go with Steve fifty five Newcastle. Come on down,
Speaker 1: hey guys, thanks, I have had I had a maniscus
Speaker 1: tare and now my nae cape swelling. Can stem cells
Speaker 1: repair that maniscus.
Speaker 3: Potentially? Yes, we've we've seen that, and the tear itself
Speaker 3: may not be the issue. The underlying issue may be
Speaker 3: the supporting cellular activity that produce, maintain, and assist the cartilage.
Speaker 3: Because you can have a small tear if you have
Speaker 3: plenty of cartilage. Yeah, So it just depends. If the
Speaker 3: tear is getting caught and your knee is buckling, there
Speaker 3: may be a piece that needs to get trimmed out,
Speaker 3: cleaned up. That may be true as well.
Speaker 1: Well you know what, that was number fourteen, So we've
Speaker 1: got six to go. Let's bang through them if you've
Speaker 1: got time. Yeah, let me join this, all right, Alana
Speaker 1: twenty nine Sydney. Is there a risk of cancer or
Speaker 1: immune reactions from stem cell therapy?
Speaker 3: So we don't really see immune reactions. They are hypothetical.
Speaker 3: Stem cells and particularly stem cell drive signaling like exosomes,
Speaker 3: are immunoprivileged they're sort of neutral to the immune system,
Speaker 3: you know, you think about it. Otherwise, mothers would reject
Speaker 3: babies if they if they weren't because the babies are
Speaker 3: made all of stem cells most of their nine months.
Speaker 3: So now the cells don't across the placenta, but the
Speaker 3: exosomes do, So the exisomes are really not having any reactions.
Speaker 3: Every now and then we see someone that has a
Speaker 3: low grade fever the first day after a stem cell
Speaker 3: procedure or injection or IV and that that might be
Speaker 3: a small reaction, but nothing appreciably. Now on the cancer side,
Speaker 3: I'm not using generic stem cells or exisomes and people
Speaker 3: with cancer because we just don't know what it'll do.
Speaker 3: It's controversial. Some people say, well, it helps the immune
Speaker 3: system fight the cancer. Some say, well, we don't want
Speaker 3: to take any chances, so of course we don't want
Speaker 3: to take chances. But we have a solution, and then
Speaker 3: we have access to something called natural killer cell exosomes,
Speaker 3: which are from the immune system to help we use
Speaker 3: those with people who have cancer who want to add
Speaker 3: something natural to their regimen or instead of something that's
Speaker 3: harsher like chemotherapy or radiation.
Speaker 1: Perfect there you go. Alana, Rob sixty six, too long
Speaker 1: I've been I think I can answer this, Rob. I
Speaker 1: think the answer is no. But anyway, I've been told
Speaker 1: I'm too old for certain perceidurees. Does IgE affect how
Speaker 1: well stem cells work? I guess it has an impact,
Speaker 1: but probably not too old.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean listen, when we if we were taking
Speaker 3: your own stem cells from your body. Yeah, yes, the
Speaker 3: older ones are less likely to do much, but we're
Speaker 3: using these you know, donated perinatal you know, womb leftovers
Speaker 3: once the baby's born, and they're super youthful. Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: more effective in people with less inflammation, meaning younger people.
Speaker 3: But you know, at in this man said he's in
Speaker 3: the sixties, right, So.
Speaker 1: Rob sixty six, Yeah, sixty six.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't see a sixty six year
Speaker 3: old man being too old for surgery or too old
Speaker 3: for regenerate medicine. It's you know, were we do surgeries
Speaker 3: and people up into their eighties, which in terms of
Speaker 3: muscular skeletal surgeries. So yeah, so I don't know, I
Speaker 3: don't know why you were disqualified. Maybe that's an Australian thing,
Speaker 3: but you know you wouldn't be disqualified here unless you
Speaker 3: had specific medical reasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty six, Tim is way too young to be
Speaker 1: excluded from most surgeries that I can think of. Patrick
Speaker 1: thirty seven, Melbourne, I do Brazilian jiu jitsu. Well, good
Speaker 1: for you. I love jiu jitsu. Please don't her hurt
Speaker 1: me my joints? Well, he right fucked? Hey Patrick, this
Speaker 1: is a non swearing program. My joints feel fucked. He
Speaker 1: sounds like a man after my own heart. Can regenerative
Speaker 1: medicine help with long term wear and tear?
Speaker 3: Let me grapple with this one.
Speaker 1: Ye, Hey, bring me a needle and thread for my sides?
Speaker 3: They just split again? The answer would be yes again.
Speaker 3: These are these are accumulations of inflammatory degeneration and damage.
Speaker 3: That that's the sweet spot for regenerative medicine. It's you know,
Speaker 3: the most powerful natural anti inflammatory you could think of
Speaker 3: is the womb. Yeah, putting you back in the womb,
Speaker 3: that's what this is. So yes, absolutely yes, even people
Speaker 3: who have beat themselves up with jiu jitsu, I can
Speaker 3: say it.
Speaker 1: Yes, men angry, what in pajamas trying to strangle each other? Well,
Speaker 1: all men in pajamas and women, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: There's this lady, young lady. I think her name's Helena something.
Speaker 1: She's like the best female jiu jitsu practitioner whatever you
Speaker 1: call them in the world. She's eighteen. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: google her. Everyone have a look at her. She's Helena.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Helena a weapon. All right, We've got three
Speaker 1: to go, and these are all a little bit different,
Speaker 1: thank god, because I thought we were getting a bit repetitious.
Speaker 1: Luisa fifty eight nousa also jealous of where you live? Louisa,
Speaker 1: how do I know if a clinic offerings stem cells
Speaker 1: is legitimate and not just selling snake oil?
Speaker 3: Great question, Love the question. So first have a talk
Speaker 3: with the practitioner. Do you feel that you're in front
Speaker 3: of someone with experience who's educated. Number two? Did they overpromise?
Speaker 3: Did they say they could cure a treat, a disease
Speaker 3: or condition? Really, what you want to say, here's an option,
Speaker 3: here's the literature on it. I would hope that you
Speaker 3: get a similar or better response. Would you like to
Speaker 3: try it? Here are the other options to compare to
Speaker 3: You know, you also want to know the source of
Speaker 3: the biologics, the biologics being the stem cells or exosomes.
Speaker 3: Or PRP or whatever you're getting, where did it come from?
Speaker 3: Tell me about the population the donations. Tell me about
Speaker 3: the certification. Show me a certificate of analysis. I want
Speaker 3: to see the testing on it. So for example, when
Speaker 3: we use you know, amniotic fluid, which is rich in
Speaker 3: exosomes and growth factors, we have a four page testing.
Speaker 3: We show each patient every virus you know, etc. Tested.
Speaker 3: We draw from a pool of donors that have not
Speaker 3: been vaccinated for COVID. We have these are screened and
Speaker 3: the first trimester for their health. We want healthy donors,
Speaker 3: non smokers, non drinkers, yeah, during the seet. So we
Speaker 3: really are improving the quality of the biologic. So ask
Speaker 3: all these questions. If they won't show you or they
Speaker 3: can't show you where they got them from, then then
Speaker 3: there's a quality issue you have to be concerned about.
Speaker 3: And the number number of cells you know, you want
Speaker 3: fifty or one hundred million cells and xisomes we talk
Speaker 3: in hundreds of billions to trillions. So if someone offers you,
Speaker 3: you know, fifty billion xisomes, you know I could sneeze
Speaker 3: one hundred billion, So that's nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right. Second last one, Athan, who is
Speaker 1: from I almost can't pronounce it. I'm just going to
Speaker 1: go South Australia shout out to you, Ethan. What's the
Speaker 1: difference between pay I pay stem cells and exercimes? And
Speaker 1: how do I I don't know if this is a
Speaker 1: good quest, but anyway, how do I know which one
Speaker 1: I need?
Speaker 3: Well? The comparison analysis starts at the very bottom of
Speaker 3: the lowest potential. Lowest efficacy is PRP. That doesn't mean
Speaker 3: it can't work. You had like just a minor tennis
Speaker 3: elbow ten to nins or something that might be perfect.
Speaker 3: Typically PRPCES comes from your own blood. It's platelet rich plasma,
Speaker 3: and so it's less expensive because you bring your own supplies,
Speaker 3: so to speak. But you usually have to do it
Speaker 3: two or three times, and you have that hassle of
Speaker 3: drawing the blood from yourself and being reinjected. There's nothing
Speaker 3: wrong with it. And then moving up from there would
Speaker 3: be something on a stem cell level. So stem cells
Speaker 3: and stem cell derived exosomes are in the same genre.
Speaker 3: You know, stem cells don't do the work, they deliver
Speaker 3: the exosomes. I like to go right to the exosomes
Speaker 3: because you get at least the same benefit from the
Speaker 3: stem cells, but you don't have other people's DNA. The
Speaker 3: exostomes travel better through tissue because are much smaller, they
Speaker 3: cross the blood brain barrier, et cetera. The cost of
Speaker 3: exisomes that was less than stem cells because amniotic fluid
Speaker 3: is so much more abundant than in the midical cord
Speaker 3: source of stem cells. So I'm a big fan of exosomes.
Speaker 3: I think a single exosome treatment is superior to three
Speaker 3: PRP treatments generally speaking.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So if you're comparing the cost and the efficacy, relative
Speaker 3: efficacy and things, you know, I'm an exosome fan, So
Speaker 3: what's right for you might be a discussion with your
Speaker 3: clinician and what they have access to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, Oh this is funny. Last one is from Karen,
Speaker 1: who's sixty two and is from Ballarat. Well, Karen, I'm
Speaker 1: sixty two and I was born in Ballarat. Maybe we
Speaker 1: went to daycare together or I don't know, maybe kindergarten.
Speaker 1: If for generative medicine really works, why isn't it standardized
Speaker 1: in hospitals?
Speaker 3: That seems like answer that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, may either that seems like a whole episode.
Speaker 3: Well, here in America, you'd be crushing big pharma. You'd
Speaker 3: be crushing big implant. You'd be crushing regulations set up
Speaker 3: to support those money making ventures.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I guess commercially and financially and for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, not us three, but practically it's
Speaker 1: it's not a regenerative medicine would be a problem. It
Speaker 1: would be a problem for a lot of people if
Speaker 1: it if one it worked, which it does, and two
Speaker 1: if it got any more kind of momentum that it
Speaker 1: currently has, it's probably already a pain in the ass
Speaker 1: for some people, so to speak.
Speaker 3: We're already seeing that in the peptad realm, the big
Speaker 3: goliath Eli Lilly is giving us trouble with use of retitrutade,
Speaker 3: which is a GP agonist, a peptide. So because of
Speaker 3: course they have like they must have invented all molecules
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, how did they even do that? Uh,
Speaker 1: you're the best. How do people find you, doc? How
Speaker 1: do they connect with you? And uh, maybe learn more
Speaker 1: about what you do.
Speaker 3: I'm exclusively on the U project. Yes, so that's where
Speaker 3: you find me. But thank you for that, thank you
Speaker 3: for having me, and thank you everybody for the questions.
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Speaker 1: are together. Awesome, Well say goodbye off here, but always
Speaker 1: good to catch up with you. Appreciate you. I hope
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is an amazing year for you. Personally
Speaker 1: and professionally, and that great things happen.
Speaker 3: And to you both and all your listeners, it's always
Speaker 3: great talking to you. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Can I ask a closing question on createam just because
Speaker 2: you popped a little gummy earlier, yep, so f now
Speaker 2: my gap does not tolerate creatine in larger dose, not
Speaker 2: even in standard doses the way it used to. What
Speaker 2: would cause that change?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure it caused the change. You know, the
Speaker 3: gut biome changes, and you know, you may want to
Speaker 3: add some probiotics, see if you can reset some of
Speaker 3: the biome. Maybe eat some fermented foods, and you know,
Speaker 3: space your creatine out throughout the day in one gram
Speaker 3: gummies like looks like I'm doing on my desk, but
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I got listen. Creatine's tough, but we need
Speaker 3: to have to try all kinds of different gummies. I've
Speaker 3: got these candies now I'm trying, and.
Speaker 2: No good for me. I've got no portion control when
Speaker 2: it comes to gummies and candies or anything sweet. I
Speaker 2: will eat the whole bucket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the powder's rough, you know, I put it in
Speaker 3: my coffee, but it's it's not tasty.
Speaker 1: So just have it with.
Speaker 2: Four think, yeah, I just have the plane. It's got
Speaker 2: no taste. I've got a really plain powder. It's great.
Speaker 1: If you know what you need. When someone when doctor
Speaker 1: Jeffin invents creating cookies, your fucking you're at the front
Speaker 1: of the line, like what chocolate creatine cookies you welcome world,
Speaker 1: or dark chocolate and raspberry creating cookies? Oh far? Come on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: look at you both pathic.
Speaker 3: So if your listeners can all rite in now and
Speaker 3: help us name that, yeah, we'll brand. We'll brand it
Speaker 3: next week.
Speaker 1: And that could be our first commercial end forever.
Speaker 3: Try some Try some different probiotics, you know, change up
Speaker 3: your biome a little bit, you know, and and see
Speaker 3: if that's something, and then spread it out, spread it
Speaker 3: out throughout the day. If you're taking all of it
Speaker 3: at once, that's probably too much for your gut.
Speaker 1: Or just drink a cup of cement and harden the
Speaker 1: fuck up. We'll go to the room mirrors and have
Speaker 1: a good look at yourself. All right.
Speaker 2: You wank you for your input.
Speaker 1: Halts always always supportive, always loving, you know. It's it's
Speaker 1: like I used to say to my clients at the
Speaker 1: gym doc when they'd complain, I'd say, if you don't
Speaker 1: want me to tell you what to do, don't fucking
Speaker 1: come here, because this is how it works. They're like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I'm like, don't come
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. Thanks Doc, see you next time.
Speaker 3: Thank you.