WEBVTT - The ChrissieCast: Dave Thornton Gets His Mind Blown

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, Dave Thornton.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I normally don't have an order of business, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's two stories that I've really been desperate to share

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm here for up a stool. It's story team.

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<v Speaker 1>The first one is yes, I can't. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>my brain is just so full of other sheet at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment. But when this happened to me at the supermarket,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Dave's gonna love this.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't feel bad about it. Last week I was so tired.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you're doing the old I do the

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<v Speaker 2>old main click, you know, and it's something really easy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know when you're driving like a car. Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I was. That's the word. I was looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>The click click? Yes, what do I do?

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<v Speaker 2>Do?

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<v Speaker 1>I do the click? I know, I go, I do

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<v Speaker 1>the shake, get the wave.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll get there.

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<v Speaker 1>God. Anyway, I was at the IgA. Someone's doing it right,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. And let me tell you I was. I

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<v Speaker 1>never go there, very very rarely, but I was in

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<v Speaker 1>such a rush and I hadn't done dinner, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, it's there, I'm going to get some chicken

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But does it throw you off?

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<v Speaker 1>Not being specifically I needed sour dough bread. My kids

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<v Speaker 1>won't eat wonder white. It's wrong with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I love wonder Wine, it's wrong with your kids.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, when you're not on your home turf

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<v Speaker 2>for a supermarket, I get thrown off because I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at six and sevens. Where's the aisles? I need this?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Have we talked about this before? God?

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<v Speaker 2>Those Yeah, it sends me batty not having Oh there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing more stress. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I have left many supermarkets because I don't know where

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<v Speaker 1>anything is and I'm wandering the aisles, going I need

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<v Speaker 1>a paperback to breathe into because I just want some

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<v Speaker 1>sandray my egg pop there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what always does impress me though, I finally

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<v Speaker 2>bite the bullet, ask the staff, and I love it

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<v Speaker 2>when they got like they just go into their own zone.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, hey, mat, I just need you know, some paprika,

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<v Speaker 2>and they just go at aisle three down the end

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<v Speaker 2>on the left. If you're coming from the fact the

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<v Speaker 2>left hand side, and you go, oh, that's incredible, You've

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<v Speaker 2>got it in there.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's one or the other. You either get that

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<v Speaker 1>person or you get the equivalent of me or my

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<v Speaker 1>casual job going. I'm so sorry. I've got no idea,

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<v Speaker 1>no idea, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a couple of guys who I think, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in Brunswick, I think they're in bands because they've

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<v Speaker 2>got mutton chops. Yeah for days, got the growth.

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<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't know and they just go, Man, come on, man, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Really wouldn't be here. Bro, Like, I get you, man,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't help you.

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<v Speaker 1>I I think I'm about to blow your mind. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know that at the end of every aisle is

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<v Speaker 1>a little plastic clipboard with where to find everything?

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<v Speaker 2>No? What, I thought you were going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the signs hanging from the roof because there's never enough information,

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a clipboard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, day fucking water.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I don't know this. Yes, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>A cook bloket?

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<v Speaker 1>So at the end of every aisle, or sometimes every

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<v Speaker 1>alternate aisle, there is a hard like perspecs file. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know this, Marcel?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a fire come out that NOD was condescending because

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<v Speaker 2>that's like yeah, most people.

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<v Speaker 1>Because no, because I thought, I mean, this is an

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate community service announcement. If you don't know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know this is it's like on attached to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the aisle on a big metal ring, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is not comprehensive, as in, not every single item is listed.

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<v Speaker 1>But and I love playing this game too. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>I need condensed milk. You'll go to see and it

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<v Speaker 1>might not have condensed milk. Having said that it might

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<v Speaker 1>condensed milk, and then it goes six and then you

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<v Speaker 1>go straight to L six if you're looking for condensed

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<v Speaker 1>milk and it's not there. It's the funnest game because

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<v Speaker 1>you go, if I was doing the categories for this

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<v Speaker 1>supermarket and I had to put condensed milk somewhere, where

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<v Speaker 1>would I put it? What I might put it with

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<v Speaker 1>baking goods? And then you look up b baking goods five,

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<v Speaker 1>You go to five, Bang it's there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what's your food friend? Like? Who were they sitting with?

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<v Speaker 1>What generally would you vibe with? Is what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>This is freaking me out because I have proposed this

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<v Speaker 2>to mate, so I said, I wish I wish Google

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<v Speaker 2>Maps did supermarkets so that I could go, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>where is it? Where is it in this little street section?

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<v Speaker 1>I what the minute you said you have to ask someone.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, Oh my god, he doesn't know about the

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<v Speaker 1>magic called clipboard.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>When do you have to go to the supermarket again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm forty four years old and I just learned this

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>That is really amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Look it's not great, but we have a shopping center

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<v Speaker 2>that hasn't been touched I think for forty years, North

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<v Speaker 2>col Plaza. Oh no, this is Union Square in Brunswick, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And we do call we do call it bag Dad

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<v Speaker 2>Coles because you're turning up and going nos. It's martial

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<v Speaker 2>law here. And I would I now need to go

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<v Speaker 2>to find out if they have the clipboards.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh they will.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll get a text either way.

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<v Speaker 1>Particularly if it hasn't been changing forty years. Absolutely they'll

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<v Speaker 1>have a clipboard. They might not even have the perspex

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<v Speaker 1>ones like they might just have the vinyl clipboards that

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<v Speaker 1>you used to have to get for school, just in

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<v Speaker 1>case you went to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Zoomah and oh this is this is going to change

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<v Speaker 2>my life.

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<v Speaker 1>You must report back. I need a photograph of you

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<v Speaker 1>with the clipboard as soon as you can.

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<v Speaker 2>And is it it attached like pens at a bank,

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<v Speaker 2>like is attached by a little Metal.

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<v Speaker 1>Metal Ring can't go anywhere. You love it so much,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't wait. Let's go back to when I

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<v Speaker 1>was at the checkout at the fair, very fancy. I

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<v Speaker 1>gae the woman that was putting through my It was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those shops where I had I'd had nothing

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<v Speaker 1>for school lunches. I had nothing, so I had to

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<v Speaker 1>pay full price for the the yo play tabs. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>very annoying. Going through. She says to me, I'm nervous

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<v Speaker 1>to do her voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck it, I'll do it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still on the telly And I said, yeah, look,

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<v Speaker 1>you know occasionally but you know, mainly radio, but yes,

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally she goes I was on the telly recently. I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>were you so exciting? What shows? She goes? So grant

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<v Speaker 1>genius deal or no deal? Oh yeah, And I went,

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<v Speaker 1>He's great, isn't he's good value? Such a pro. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got the same lines that I use about people that

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<v Speaker 1>I know in the biz, like about you, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the great assholes, isn't he? If if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>mentions you.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't explain the grand Danya story that I can never

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<v Speaker 2>get out of my mind of.

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<v Speaker 1>You and him, of him dreaming of me breastfeeding him.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, because I'm a yes and person, I said

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<v Speaker 1>on air, did I have you in the football hold

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<v Speaker 1>looking down at that big cheesy grid.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at your wheedle. You're hosting a show, won't you,

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<v Speaker 2>little fell Look at you you burping grand Danya over

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<v Speaker 2>your shoulder. We'll never leave.

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<v Speaker 1>I might have to get him on this podcast with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can just do a full deep dive on

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<v Speaker 1>that dream. I want all the details.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you and me and the scouts tea in the highchair.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to great Dania in the check out check said

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on Delonde and I said, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a pro. Was it great fun? She said, yea.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to the last round and I had a

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<v Speaker 1>because are you familiar with how deal or no deal works?

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<v Speaker 2>Not?

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<v Speaker 1>It's the one that involves the briefcases and like some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of clairvoyance, because you've got to hold the briefcase

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<v Speaker 1>and get a vibe from it and guess how much

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<v Speaker 1>money is in it. I mean, it's the hardest game ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean it won't die. It's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway. So she's made it to the last round and

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<v Speaker 1>she's holding this briefcase and it's come to the psychic

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<v Speaker 1>medium part of the show, where you've just got to

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<v Speaker 1>get a vibe from what's inside. And she says, is

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<v Speaker 1>it five dollars? And she goes to me and I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it was five dollars, but it turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be one hundred thousand, and we just looked at each

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<v Speaker 1>other and I didn't know what to say. And then

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<v Speaker 1>she filled the silence with grant gave me a nice

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<v Speaker 1>stubby holder though.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, a stubby holder.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she just kept beeping, beeped my I play six

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<v Speaker 1>pack while berry and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then moved on and did you see like the color

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<v Speaker 2>in her eyes just drop? Like did you see her thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a real fork in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think she thought it was as sad as

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<v Speaker 1>I did. But as soon as I heard it, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a tell Thorne.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. And just as you said, the silence is

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<v Speaker 2>then broken by you have fly bys.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have fly bys at THEA.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can't get out of that awkward conversation, can you,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're like, I need this food. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>stand here and sit in this awkwardness.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it was really, Oh, five dollars could have been

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, next time he's nuzzling in on me, like, grand

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<v Speaker 2>you could have done better what you're doing, and good

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<v Speaker 2>on you for like as in you're still holding on

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<v Speaker 2>to it, like you know what I mean, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't gone it sucks to be you and moved on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very sensitive to people's hopes being dashed though. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the one part of my radio job that even yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>we had a carryover champion mechanic at work on the radio,

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, someone calls up on Monday, and then

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<v Speaker 1>if they get through to Tuesday and win against someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they get through on Wednesday, they've got to

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<v Speaker 1>get through to Friday. And then this woman was set

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<v Speaker 1>to win a you know, a return flight to Hong

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<v Speaker 1>Kong to eat um. I mean, it was just such

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<v Speaker 1>a gorgeous prize and she wanted it so badly. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted her to have it so badly. But the

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<v Speaker 1>day before she's done four in a row, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the day before it was laid out miss of course

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to and someone beat her. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I just heard her little voice going, oh, well done, Nikita,

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<v Speaker 1>and to the person that one, and I just was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't like it. I don't like people. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like to see people dealing with disappointments.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, because it's in that situation they've been not

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<v Speaker 2>set up. But you know what I mean, the hopes, Well, of.

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<v Speaker 1>Course, you know, when she's driving along, she'd be thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get a new pair of walking shoes

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<v Speaker 1>because it was just so much walking in Hong Kong,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, all I better shait my passport, God

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<v Speaker 1>haven't oh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then done, And then just like that, I remembered

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<v Speaker 2>the situation where when I was younger, I was a

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<v Speaker 2>single man and met someone. Things went okay to the point,

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<v Speaker 2>went back to her place, and then there was a

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<v Speaker 2>grand piano just in the in the apartment. Because it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't stand out. I was like, that's a big piano,

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<v Speaker 2>and how did you get it up here? And then

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<v Speaker 2>she was she just said, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, we're gonna we're gonna relive the scene from

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<v Speaker 1>Fabulous Baker Boys. But if I've arrives all over the.

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<v Speaker 2>Gold while I played chopsticks, then the one with the knuckles,

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<v Speaker 2>how about it? That got you in the mood. But

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<v Speaker 2>she but she said that. She said, ah, I was

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<v Speaker 2>a classical pianist, and I said, okay, I've got a classical,

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<v Speaker 2>but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Member check out this concerto.

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<v Speaker 2>But honestly, she said, oh yeah, I spent like when

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<v Speaker 2>I was young, from when I was eight, becoming a

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<v Speaker 2>classical pianist. And I remember I got to an age

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<v Speaker 2>in my late teens and they said your fingers aren't

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<v Speaker 2>long enough and I said, no, no, I will make

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<v Speaker 2>this happen. And she said she kept pushing till she

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<v Speaker 2>was like twenty eight, but it didn't happen. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, yeah, it was always my dream and now

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<v Speaker 2>it sits there and I can't play it because it's

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<v Speaker 2>just represented for my broken dreams. Sick.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't sleep with her. Then it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost like she, you know, was willing to press on

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I don't think I kid really,

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<v Speaker 2>I just felt really, I was like, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. It was just an absolute mood killing.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you just organized for that piano to be removed.

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<v Speaker 2>Either the piano goes or I do. This is how

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<v Speaker 2>it works.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not if there was something that reminded me

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<v Speaker 1>of something sad, I get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was this like we were just having a really fun,

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<v Speaker 2>just night and then it was like it sucked the

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<v Speaker 2>oxygen out of the room moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm so did you ever see her again? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was yeah, no we weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>So she missed out on a career as a concert pianist,

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<v Speaker 1>and she missed out on a relationship with you Dodge

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<v Speaker 1>two bullets. That is a sad story.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I mean, yeah, it was. It was, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was. It wasn't an elephant in the room,

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<v Speaker 2>was it. It was the ivory in the room that

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<v Speaker 2>was just like why is it here? You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean? Yes, I was like that. I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is You've got this huge reminder of all your broken dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>I no, no, no, it killed me. Did you have

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<v Speaker 1>a dream of anything growing up? Did you did you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be something and then you didn't get there?

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<v Speaker 1>Or have you ever dealt with a massive disappointment? Have

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<v Speaker 1>you loved someone that hasn't loved you back?

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<v Speaker 2>Or oh yeah, plenty of that? Oh yeah yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>would four for people real quick. And then and but

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<v Speaker 2>the funny thing is when I was a young teenager

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<v Speaker 2>and like, what do you want to be I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be a stand up comedian or a professional basketball player, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, then you would have understood the fingers girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean yeah, because you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Not tall enough to be a basketball player.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and so like I'm pretty lucky like that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>That felt quite insulting to say, but it's a fact.

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<v Speaker 1>When I said you're not tall enough to be a

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<v Speaker 1>basketball player, it came out. It sounded mean coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of my mouth. And when it was coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>my mouth and I was looking at your beautiful face,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I'd never say these sorts of things. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not tall enough. I'm about six two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half or so. My voice broke. Then was I confident

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<v Speaker 2>in that? Ah? And I haven't hit puberty evidently, hah.

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<v Speaker 2>But did you because you've got a like you've got

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<v Speaker 2>an awesome career, and I'm sure yeah, it was always

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<v Speaker 2>an accident, No, but it was just always something that

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Really Nope, No, never crossed my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very good at this. I always feel like like

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<v Speaker 2>you've obviously dedicated hours and do you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you're an extremely good broadcaster. I would think that that

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<v Speaker 2>only comes from someone doing something that they love.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think, I mean, thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 1>saying so, But I think for me, this whole career

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<v Speaker 1>was a complete surprise, and there is no way I

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<v Speaker 1>have known that I could do it, no way. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I was a sort of kid at school that in

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<v Speaker 1>the school arts festivals when my how my whole house,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they have colors and whatever, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>have their turn in the big performance the concerts. I

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<v Speaker 1>would not only never put my hand up to be

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<v Speaker 1>on stage doing anything, I would sit in an opposing

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<v Speaker 1>house when they were performing. I would hide in playing

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<v Speaker 1>sight to avoid being part of anything performance related. I

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<v Speaker 1>never like, I would never accept awards. I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>all of that stuff, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>So then what flicked the switch?

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed radio? That was it? So are you

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<v Speaker 1>talking about why did I give radio a go in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place?

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<v Speaker 2>So memory serves because it was Big Brother? Was it not?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Twenty one years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>What year was that?

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand and three?

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<v Speaker 2>See, because I've heard this before. You know, early in

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<v Speaker 2>your career it was quite often you know, Chrissy from

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<v Speaker 2>Big Brother. But I was I was a dirty backpacker.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I was away, right, so I never saw I

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<v Speaker 2>remember seeing the first season of Big Brother and then

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<v Speaker 2>I missed.

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<v Speaker 1>It was massive in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven or something. So you did that, But did you

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<v Speaker 2>do that on a whim?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? I did that because at that time there was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing else on Australian television. Was the biggest show. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got no concept of it now, Like I try and

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<v Speaker 1>explain it to my kids, It's like, can you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>everybody you know watching one show and then talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it, talking about it was massive.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it was a completely different experience watching something. Last

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<v Speaker 2>time I ever felt it was Game of Thrones. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the last I agree show where people are like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for next week, what's going on? But

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<v Speaker 2>that was every show, every primetime show. It was very

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<v Speaker 2>much like, oh, what's happening next week?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's right. And I was thirty at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was old and old, but do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? I wasn't nineteen, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>me and my griovy friends, I was a copywriter advertising

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Me my grivy friends would watch it religiously,

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<v Speaker 1>religiously and back before WhatsApp or whatever. There were text

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<v Speaker 1>messages and phone calls and I would have viewing parties

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<v Speaker 1>at my house where I would make you know, vegan

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<v Speaker 1>dull and we would drink red wine, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we just loved it, absolutely loved it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that thirty year old creatives that live

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<v Speaker 1>in South Aera I love.

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<v Speaker 2>Something working advertise it's not a big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We were addicted, and I thought so that the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>event on our calendar for the viewing party was opening night.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you cast your mind back to be brother

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<v Speaker 1>opening Night, it was on a Sunday night at dream

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<v Speaker 1>World Live, and it was the first time we got

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<v Speaker 1>to see the housemates that were going in. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there would have been teasers in the newspapers, leaks apparently

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<v Speaker 1>there's a twenty one year old from dalrymple wway and

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<v Speaker 1>a shadowed out photograph of their silhouette. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>was just massive, you can't believe it. Anyway, we would

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<v Speaker 1>have a viewing party and we would eagerly be watching

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<v Speaker 1>on my little tiny television in my apartment and chowing

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<v Speaker 1>down on the aforementioned vegan curry. Anyway, I hatched an idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't it be funny if everyone was watching it at

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<v Speaker 1>the viewing party and they were like, who's that in

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<v Speaker 1>the open top audi arriving at Dreamworld on opening night?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it looks like Chrissy. Fucking hell, it's Crissy.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that would be an amazing moment. So I

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<v Speaker 1>sort of applied, and then, you know, got on with

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<v Speaker 1>my life, and I just kept on getting to the

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<v Speaker 1>next stage. And it got to the stage where it

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<v Speaker 1>was back before the casting call one where everybody would

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<v Speaker 1>turn up to the showgrounds and you know, put on

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<v Speaker 1>lipstick with their boobs or whatever. You know. It was

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<v Speaker 1>before that. It was you had to send in an application. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>that was it. If it was a casting call, I

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<v Speaker 1>never would have done it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So you weren't doing because a friend of mine did

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<v Speaker 2>do that casting call and said I couldn't. He was

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<v Speaker 2>in line going what is with these people? Because people

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<v Speaker 2>are just going bananas to try and get the.

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<v Speaker 1>Taller That's right. Yeah, So I wouldn't have done that anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Keme on getting too the next stages, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>got a phone call saying you're in. We want you

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the house, and I remember where I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was visiting my mum and I was in her

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<v Speaker 1>son room at the back of the house, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I wasn't expecting this. I was running

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<v Speaker 1>my own business and like, I can't. At that stage

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<v Speaker 1>it was three months. I lived in a dream world

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<v Speaker 1>for three months, I know anyway, So I wasn't expecting this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to get back to you because I've

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<v Speaker 1>got like a cat and rent to pay and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to get out of my life for

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<v Speaker 1>three months and who's going to run my business? And

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<v Speaker 1>ah anyway, so I was sort of like, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do it. I can't. I can't be out of

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<v Speaker 1>my life that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a few like you need to leave in a

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<v Speaker 2>week's time, Yes, in a week's time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. So I sort of went between I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't and then I was like, oh, but it'd

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<v Speaker 1>be so funny imagine the moment that you know. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, if I don't at least try to get

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<v Speaker 1>my affairs in order, I'll regret this because it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be an amazing experience. And it turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be an amazing experience. But the way that I organized

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<v Speaker 1>it was I had someone write all my copy for

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<v Speaker 1>my clients while I was gone. I had my friend

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<v Speaker 1>move into my house and pay my rent, and I

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<v Speaker 1>said to them both, I am not a normal Big

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<v Speaker 1>Brother house mate. This will be about two or three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can just do it for two or three weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's how long it is before the first

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<v Speaker 1>person's voted out. See you back in our respective lives. Then. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I was not getting voted out, and I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>staying there till the last day, and it changed my

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<v Speaker 1>life forever.

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<v Speaker 2>At what staged you? Is it a very short period

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<v Speaker 2>of time relatively until you forget about the cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it was to you know, my brain two

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<v Speaker 1>seconds because I didn't realize then, but I realize now.

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<v Speaker 1>The advantage for me was that if I can't see something,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't exist. Okay, if I can't see it, it doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I don't really miss people or whatever, because

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<v Speaker 1>if I don't, if you're not looking at me, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So because they're so well hidden and they're dark. In

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<v Speaker 1>those camera runs, occasionally one of the cameramen would, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, bump into the wall and I would quite

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<v Speaker 1>seriously go what's that and one of the other housemates

0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 1>have to go, it's a fucking cameraman. They're everywhere, you

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<v Speaker 1>know this, And I go, oh, yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, half goldfish, and you just went yeah, yeah, because

0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 2>it was initially such an interesting social experiment of thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>these people are being watched twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Four yeah, oh, it's fascinating. Yeah, And then they've messed

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<v Speaker 1>it up now I think by putting in too many

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<v Speaker 1>bells and whistles. The original concept is enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you, because remember in France it was

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<v Speaker 2>the most French thing where the initial housemates they went

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<v Speaker 2>on strike to say they deserve an hour just for

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<v Speaker 2>their own like just to bathe and do these things

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 2>know that they and so on France. I remembered this story.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to stop because they were so French, like

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.480
<v Speaker 2>our personal liberty has been deckoned away, just give me

0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 2>an hour, contract the contract. Yeah, but they just went no,

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 2>it's not happening, and knew the power of the people.

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.160
<v Speaker 2>And it was so fascinating to think. Because reality TV

0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 2>now it's so ubiquitous that we all just think, oh,

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:53.480
<v Speaker 2>so and so is in it, and probably people go

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.800
<v Speaker 2>in thinking too like you know, well, they'll get a

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:57.159
<v Speaker 2>book dealer out of this, or I can do this,

0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and you know what I mean. Sometimes I'm not saying

0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 2>all of them, but back then it was like this

0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.440
<v Speaker 2>is crazy, this is unprecedented areas who knows, And yeah,

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.159
<v Speaker 2>for that, I think if you, I think there was

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:09.360
<v Speaker 2>more interesting people in there.

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so to your point.

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:12.879
<v Speaker 2>You were like, oh, do this for a laugh or

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>do whatever, not knowing what you're getting into.

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that came later. That that sort of that mindset

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:25.439
<v Speaker 1>came later when you know, people saw people with no

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 1>skills having these fun jobs. So I do understand why

0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:33.560
<v Speaker 1>people would look at, you know, someone like me or

0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Fitzgerald or you know, anyone that got their start

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:40.639
<v Speaker 1>on Bie Brother or similar and go, I want to

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:42.240
<v Speaker 1>have a crack at that. I can do that. I

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:48.880
<v Speaker 1>think I was just supremely lucky in my timing that

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 1>that hadn't fully started, you know, in full swing. It

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:57.399
<v Speaker 1>was very very, very very new, and I had the

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.439
<v Speaker 1>So Mike Purso, who you would know or you'd know

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 1>his name at least, old radio dog, still doing breakfast

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:10.160
<v Speaker 1>on Smooth at the time. He was the group PD

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>for Nova stations regionally and I told one story about

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 1>falling over at Campbell Market and showing my vagina Mayo. Man.

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 1>I remember I told one story. It went to air

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and Mike Perso was casting the breakfast show for a

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:34.680
<v Speaker 1>new station that they were opening on the Sunshine Coast,

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:38.239
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, bitch, can tell a story. And

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that was it. It just had me in my sights.

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>And I've never been pursued by a man more than

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Mike Perso for that job. Would not hear of it.

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>I knocked him back so many times because I was like, no,

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I've never done radio. You just for me.

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll just go back to my Yeah.

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I did. I did go back to my

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>copy running job. But it was too weird by that state.

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 2>What was that like? As you said, it was three

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:06.919
<v Speaker 2>months and then you come out. You wouldn't know the

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 2>magnitude of the popularity of the show. I think you've

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 2>seen it. You don't know personally yourself, whether what people

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 2>think of that season. Yeah, people in the house.

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I'll never forget getting out of the

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 1>car after being you know, after ending and walking down

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>that gangplank towards Gretel and seeing people dressed as me,

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:38.640
<v Speaker 1>my face on signs, people screaming my name. I never

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:44.920
<v Speaker 1>forget it. The weirdest, most like new sign apps, bursting

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>experience of my life. It was like a dream.

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Were you because I remember those interviews. Again, I don't

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:53.640
<v Speaker 2>remember your season, but I do remember all those interviews

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and people coming out. Are you just dumb struck?

0:26:56.200 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Your eyes can't take it in enough. Yeah.

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 2>But they also lived in a house. Yeah, just a

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 2>couple of people who were slowly leaving.

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Utterly isolated. Yeah. It was the most interesting experience really,

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I've ever had. Was so incredible. Never forget it. And

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>to your point about anxiety, I guess about what do

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 1>people think of me? Now? After this? You know I'm

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 1>not I don't care and I didn't then either. But

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:32.399
<v Speaker 1>in terms of how you know what you're coming out to,

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>whether you're facing fire or love. Literally, I got into

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a car and was driven to that throng of people

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and the colosseum essentially, and a psychologist was already in

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>the car when I got in, and she said, they

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>love you, don't worry five words.

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Yeah, Because I mean that is a crazy experiment.

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 2>And if you think about it's like the TV version

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of castaway with Tom Hanks. You've been left there and

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden found and thrown back.

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Into Would you does that sort of thing appeal to

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>your senses? Like, how would you? You know, let's assume

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 1>that kind of format exists now it doesn't, but would

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you do that or what feelings come up at the

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>idea of literally unplugging Dave Thornton from his entire life

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and putting him in a situation where there are no preconceptions,

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 1>you don't know anyone, no one knows you, and living

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.959
<v Speaker 1>in those circumstances for three months. That means you have

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 1>to describe your family, no one knows, no one even

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>knows your name when you arrive. It's extraordinary.

0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I initially would balk at the idea, and this

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 2>the fact that I do like being like alone and

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 2>away from people a lot, like I can't be around

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 2>people all the time. Yeah, me too, I get very yeah,

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>but then I don't know. So it's funny how you

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>said you don't think about people if they're not in

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>front of you. I'm quite the opposite, Like I ruminate

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 2>about not paranoid thoughts. Just so, what's going on there?

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 2>What's going on? There, my brain will just run off

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 2>into all different directions. So I don't know if it'll

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>do my head in thinking there is a guy behind

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that wall and he's filming me like that would kind

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 2>of wreck my head a bit, right, Yeah, so i'd

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>be the opposite, I think, But I don't know. But again,

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 2>it could be a couple of days in and I

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 2>did forget because that's their intention for you to drop.

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was just lucky that that's how I'm wired,

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I think.

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 2>But then enormously to get me out of here. Yeah,

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 2>by then you were obviously you guys are all there

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 2>because you have profile.

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Did you find it was a similar run or was it?

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Was it anything from Big Brother that you thought translated

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>to that or was it just felt.

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, I like in terms of my experience or

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 1>the format of the show both. Well, Yeah, I forgot

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>about the camera straight away, and that wasn't as good

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>of an experience for me. No. Yeah, I just I'd

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>come off a very sad experience. I've just been fired

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>from my radio show that I thought was going to

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 1>go forever, and I had three babies under four or five.

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I was completely financially responsible for I.

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Remember seeing that when they brought your kids. Oh god,

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 2>And I think about that now, like when you ask

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that question for me, I'll be like, I couldn't take

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>three months away from the kids.

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well Big Brother was. I mean, I'm a celebrity.

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Was six weeks and I didn't want to go. I

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 1>had to go because I had to keep my kids

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>in clothes and roof over their head. I had no choice.

0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I had no choice. So it came at the experience

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>very very differently. A. I had children and I didn't

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>on Big Brother, and I didn't have a choice but

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to do it. I had to do it because I

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>just lo was my job.

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that funny? They feel diametrically opposed, don't they? Like

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 2>you went in the first one thinking this will be

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 2>a laugh. Your responsibilities were rent and I've got to

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 2>write some copy. Yeah, And the other one is which absolutely.

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 1>And again I stayed till the last day. That one

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>that devastated me. I would go in and beg the

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>producers tell me how to get out of here, please,

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>because if you say, obviously, to get me out of here,

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you don't get the money. I needed the money, ah god,

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>because I was unemployed. Yeah, I had to move out

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 1>of my house to go like it was just the

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>worst time.

0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 2>It's funny because as we were recording this, the Olympics

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 2>are on and that's trying to highlight and it is

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 2>for athletes. It's to think of like, this is your

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 2>moment of glory, and then after that, what do you

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 2>do when you're scratching yourself and you've got to find

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 2>ways and means.

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 1>To speaking of disappointments? That's hard.

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 2>But then I often think there's I mean, in essence,

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 2>sporting people are entertainers. We're watching it for entertainment. That's

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 2>how the money is made. And so I always think

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 2>the insecurity of what we do. It's not I'm not

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 2>crying poor, but it's such a big factor in what

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>we do because you're going, I don't know, mate, Look

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I might know a couple of months down the track.

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 2>But as you said, contracts disappear, things go, and we've

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 2>been we're both.

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>The addisions they do. Like I have had that open

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's have you ever had that happen that your

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 1>entire livelihood has just disappeared in one second.

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 2>It's happened a fair few times. I think of myself

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>as lucky in this and that. I started stand up

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four and the GFC hit two thousand

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 2>and eight, and I went from think I was earning,

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, starting to realize I could stand on mine

0:32:57.760 --> 0:32:59.959
<v Speaker 2>and two feet with pardon the pun, we stand up.

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 2>But then GFC hit. Now I didn't pay any tax

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>that year.

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>No tax, that's.

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 2>How little I earned in that year, Like the taxman

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to look at me, and it was I

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>just realized. Then I was like, oh, we're the last out,

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 2>like they should say the first out of the boat

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 2>as the Titanic is sinking. In that analogy, the band

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 2>is playing as the water is coming up, but in reality,

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 2>no lifeboats are thrown at the enter.

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Tame the band or at the bottom of the ocean already.

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Totally and then just enjoying the cold plunge before it taxes.

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh god.

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>But I realized to live behind my money, which is,

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've never been too risky because I'm like, oh, okay,

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 2>this can go like that. So I have had constant

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>situations where you know your thought to pay you come in,

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't. You're kind of wondering if this and to

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 2>live through that yoyo. I found it easier to live

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 2>behind my money and just go this is like I

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 2>don't bite off a lot. So I don't like being

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 2>in debt and things like that because I don't like

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 2>that feeling. Yeah, often there's times you can't dodge it.

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh, of course, most of the time you can't dodge

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 1>it because you know, in my experience, those sorts of

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:11.799
<v Speaker 1>situations have nothing to do with you. You would never

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>choose it, but somebody has chosen it and you've got

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:18.240
<v Speaker 1>to wear it. But the biggest lesson I was so devastated,

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>like flat, I've never been flatter after I'd lost my job,

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, there's got to be a lesson

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>in this, Like once you threw the deep sadness, sure

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 1>and panic of being responsible for so many people that

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>you love with no means to do anything, after you've

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of had out that feeling of desperation, see if

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>there's something in it. And it turned out there was,

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:54.919
<v Speaker 1>and I've kept that. So that would have been Leo.

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I was fifteen. He was maybe four or five when

0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>he came into the jungle, so ten years ago more.

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>And the biggest lesson I've taken I took from that

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 1>was I don't get my self esteem from my work

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 1>anymore because it's I was I was. I thought I

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 1>thought it mattered more than it did, and so when

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>it went, I took it so personally like, I was

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 1>so mean to myself about it, and then I, yeah,

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I just realized there's no win there. You can't put

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 1>all your self esteem eggs in the work basket, because

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the work basket can just be Q gone.

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And it is for me personally, I understand exactly

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 2>what you're speaking about because it's your egos also because

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:54.720
<v Speaker 2>you're self worth quite often in people's eyes, come.

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>From Yeah, I think that I was so hurt.

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 2>I remember I left radio. That was the biggest gig

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 2>that I'd had to that point and the biggest money maker,

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 2>and I was just I was not having a good

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 2>time and it was eating me up inside. And it

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 2>was more of a moral decision than a financial decision.

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 2>But I remember after that and if we're being honest now,

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 2>and if anyone's listening to this, I'm not complaining about it.

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:19.759
<v Speaker 2>This is just was the lay of the land. I

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 2>also left at a time when I think we've done

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 2>an amazing job of bringing diversity into especially on TV

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<v Speaker 2>and intermedia. I did time when the world thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was a good idea, and I think it is a

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<v Speaker 2>good idea. However, when you're a straight white man, and

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<v Speaker 2>again I'm not complaining, but it was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>things where we're like, we don't need you, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>people a bigger profile that I understand. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of straight white guys out there, so I get it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so again, if anyone listening to this, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying it's a complaint. I'm just saying as a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of fact, But to your point was that I realized

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing we like, this isn't if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to hang off the opinions, the thoughts of other people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just going to put should do a point that

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to recover from. So there's something nice

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<v Speaker 2>about it when you place your importance in other areas

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<v Speaker 2>and areas that because I often think about this, think

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<v Speaker 2>about it when you're young, they go, if someone jumped

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<v Speaker 2>off a cliff, would you like, it's something you teach

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<v Speaker 2>your child. But when you're in the performance space, you're

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<v Speaker 2>quite off and everyone's like they're doing that. Yes, yes,

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like things you tell a child not to do

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<v Speaker 2>is what we're working. Yes, but that's fashionable. Do the

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<v Speaker 2>fashionable thing, and that's not what we tell people growing up. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you be you and you do what you do and

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 2>you know you have security and knowing that you're making

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<v Speaker 2>the right decision yourself. Yeah, but the industry you're in

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:40.839
<v Speaker 2>constantly tells you no, no, do this, and then do that,

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>and why don't you're copying them and do this, and

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.760
<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh god.

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 1>What happens if you do that? It feels like amaze.

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:50.879
<v Speaker 1>You've gone left because everyone's gone left, and then you've

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 1>gone right because everyone's gone right, and then you've gone

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<v Speaker 1>straight ahead, so oh, yes, everyone's going there. Eventually everyone

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 1>else fucks off and you're left going how do I

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<v Speaker 1>get back to where I was? I can't remember how

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<v Speaker 1>to undo all the shit that I've done. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in that situation where I was so devastated,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, let's unpack why I am even doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>And it came back to my family and I realized

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<v Speaker 1>that my kids are never going to fire me. You're

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>never going to fire me, and I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to focus on that I'm going to I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to get my self esteem and how I feel about

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<v Speaker 1>myself from how they look at me and how we

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<v Speaker 1>talk to each other and how much they share with me,

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<v Speaker 1>not from work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well also, it sounds like you may have done the same,

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<v Speaker 2>but I know I hand it over way too much

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<v Speaker 2>to my job. Like it's almost like, I'll do it,

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll do whatever, I'll do this.

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>You know that my saying one of my mantras is

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<v Speaker 1>something's up for sale, and you've got to be real

0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 1>firm with that totally. You're not to start with oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>And quite often that early energy and the way that

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.320
<v Speaker 2>you do it, I'm like, yeah, of course you would.

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Of course you've got energy to burn, You've got time

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:12.720
<v Speaker 2>to burn. You're only responsible for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, have at it, have had it. That's another one

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 1>of my face it says, have at it.

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Like I remember talking to you know, I've learned to

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 2>you just meet people in sport and especially AFL players,

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 2>and I remember them saying a couple of them saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>once you get kids, it's kind of nice because you

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.479
<v Speaker 2>can have the most heartbreaking loss and your kids just like, hey,

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 2>you were out in the field, how good was that?

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 2>And then you go, yeah, you don't give a shit.

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:40.879
<v Speaker 2>Now you can't even read the score.

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't care about it, absolutely not.

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 2>And there's something nice about that when you do come

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<v Speaker 2>home and they could not care less, like they might

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 2>tell them some stories about something cool that happened, you know,

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 2>at whatever, at your job. And this happened.

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<v Speaker 1>A pert example of it. I came home from winning

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<v Speaker 1>the logi, Yeah, and Leo was with a babysitter and

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 1>he was up, he was about four and he was

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 1>up doing a pooh like one in the morning. How

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 1>much do you hate in the middle of the night pooh? Anyway,

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I walked in, you know, the frock the logi, you know, amazing,

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 1>and the first words I heard screaming from the toilet

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 1>were mom. I went, yeah, he goes, will you wipe

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:31.920
<v Speaker 1>my bobbin? I had to put down the clutch, take

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 1>of the vip necklace, go and wipe his ass, perfect picture, take.

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Off the satin glove. Yes, I don't want to ruin

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:41.800
<v Speaker 2>the pearls.

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 1>That is exactly what it's like. And that is, you

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<v Speaker 1>know a perfect example of don't get yourself astone from work.

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there has to be some kind of almost

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 2>a stoic not detachment, but you're like, yeah, and there's

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 2>been some really great things that have happened and you

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 2>try and soak it up. Yeah, and then some really

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:01.720
<v Speaker 2>bad things that you're like, could have better. But then

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 2>I've tried to teach myself because it will still take

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 2>it on a roller coaster ride. You know, you take

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>a breath and go, no, it happened, and whatever happened,

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 2>and we'll move through it. And there's something kind of

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 2>nice about that. But yeah, Jesus can put you through

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:14.280
<v Speaker 2>the ringers.

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<v Speaker 1>See, well, there's something nice about this podcast, talk about

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 1>a roller coaster. We started at the supermarket with handy

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 1>hints on how to find condensed milk, and we've ended

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 1>up with self esteem shortcuts.

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Like this is like Andrew Parkinson, do you know what?

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I did? If I can understand you,

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:31.799
<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. I can't wait for next time.

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to re listen to this. That was. That

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<v Speaker 1>was good. That was You are a very interesting person,

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<v Speaker 1>even more so than I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Very low initially.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about that inside by