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Speaker 1: I'll get a you, Bloody Champions, Welcome to another installment

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Speaker 1: of you project. It's me and it's you, and I'm

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Speaker 1: excited today because I was just saying a fran who

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Speaker 1: I was chatting with off air. I was saying a

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Speaker 1: fran about one or two times, maybe three times a year,

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Speaker 1: I reach out through my social media to someone else

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Speaker 1: the guy that talked to the guests, and as you

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Speaker 1: all know, Melissa and Tiff are the guest getters. And also,

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Speaker 1: I think you know I don't say shit that I

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Speaker 1: don't mean. I've been following this young lady for a

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Speaker 1: while on which that sounds creepy, doesn't it. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's let me undo that so well it is. I've

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Speaker 1: been virtually following this lady for a while. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Franz. She goes by fran the Singer. You'll find

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Speaker 1: her on Instagram. Go there right now, give her a

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Speaker 1: follow fran the Singer. And I heard her voice. I

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Speaker 1: fucking love her voice. And I'm not saying that because

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Speaker 1: she's listening to me right now. I actually just send

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Speaker 1: her a message, and your voice is amazing. Would you

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Speaker 1: like to have a chat with me on my show.

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Speaker 1: I thought she probably wouldn't respond because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people don't and and but I said, nonetheless. Either way,

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Speaker 1: if you do or you don't, your voice is great.

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Speaker 1: Congrats blah blah blah. Anyway, she got back to me

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Speaker 1: and giddy up, butter Cup, she's here. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: Hi friend, Hi Greg, thank.

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Speaker 2: You for having me. This is so exciting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Australian audience is going to heat if I start

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Speaker 3: mimicking your Australian accent.

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Speaker 2: But it's I'm not it's not my own doing. I

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, well you just let yourself go. I don't

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Speaker 1: want I don't want any barriers. I don't want any

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Speaker 1: you know. It's just a creative platform for you to

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Speaker 1: be whatever you want to be. When did you Have

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Speaker 1: you ever been on an Australian podcast before?

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Speaker 4: Never?

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Speaker 3: Never, But I have a lot of listeners. It's like

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Really what was that? What was that? What was that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I worked at a bakery for like six months

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Speaker 3: When one shift, I was like, let me just compare

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Speaker 3: That is like the novelty of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's funny is like when you when

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Speaker 3: A bunch of marbles in your mouth, is the best

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, well now that you've told us

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Speaker 3: Oh, I did not say it was good.

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Speaker 3: Saturdays and Sundays, I would do an Australian accent that

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Speaker 3: Yeah. If I don't talk a lot, I can get

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Speaker 1: I'm always amused in American shows when and we're still

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Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, well, we love having you on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this. Let's let's find

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Speaker 3: So I was born in Costa Rica. It's funny that

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Speaker 3: I came to New York for college, and I planted

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Speaker 3: I actually went to school for acting.

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Speaker 3: I actually do feel like a dinosaur. Once you leave

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Speaker 1: and so in a way you've got to be strategic,

439
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Speaker 1: but also at the same time, you don't want to

440
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: be too strategic because that kills creativity, right.

441
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: And most of the time what gets me to send

442
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: it is that if you like it, there's gotta be

443
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: someone out there who also see, like thinks that's cool, yes,

444
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 3: or else you think that you're super special, like you

445
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: wrote that and you thought, wow, that's cool, and you

446
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: think you're the only brain in the world that thinks

447
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: that that's super cool.

448
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Speaker 1: There's no way when you did that Ala Lujah Joline

449
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: kind of mash up? Do you call it that?

450
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 4: Hey?

451
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: Everyone go listen to that? And it's like, you know

452
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: what I love about that. It's not produced, it's not

453
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: it's just you sitting there with your guitar just doing.

454
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: This terrible guitar and I'm just clunking away that it's cool.

455
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: Dude. It's like, well, it's clear you can play guitar,

456
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 1: but you're not John Mayer. But you can play guitar,

457
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: but your voice is fucking outrageous. And there's just this

458
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: this intertwining of these two different beautiful kind of the experiences,

459
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: like that creates this new thing, Like you created a

460
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: new thing, like nobody's ever done that that way, that

461
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: and that that one thing that's now well over a

462
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: million views, and that's just on instag and I'm sure

463
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: it's in other places much more like.

464
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Speaker 3: Mist about that video, and speaking of self doubt, is

465
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: the morning that I recorded that. I was in a

466
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 3: hotel room filming for a show and I was just

467
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: like trying to make content and I did it a

468
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 3: bunch of versions and narrowed it down to that one.

469
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 3: I sent it to a friend and I was like,

470
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: should I post this? And they were like, ah, you've

471
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: done better, And I guess so I'll just post it

472
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: on TikTok because that's where I post like my yeah,

473
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: I just shoot it to the wind and then it

474
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: starts blowing up and I was like, wait, wait a minute,

475
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: what's going on? And I guess it just captured. It

476
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 3: was the right moment, the right like feeling that I

477
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: was in that yeah, But I definitely didn't know that

478
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 3: when I posted it.

479
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: I was kind of thinking.

480
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: I could redo it. The runs could be cleaner, there

481
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: could be more excitement, there could be a build up,

482
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 3: there's always you know what I mean, you can go

483
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Speaker 3: on forever.

484
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that one surprised me as well.

485
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Speaker 1: Do you know what I find encouraging? And this sound

486
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: both harsh for some people and positive for you, but

487
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: it's like, I look around and there are people that

488
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: are way, way, way more famous and successful in a

489
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: musical sense than you with less talent. That's what gives

490
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: me hope for you. Like I think, I mean, you're

491
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: already doing well, but you'd like to be, you know,

492
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: on a bigger stage and all of those things. I'm assuming, right,

493
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: But I look at you and I think I said

494
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: to someone else yesterday. In fact, yesterday I had coffee

495
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: with a friend of mine in the morning, a guy,

496
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: and I said, look at this. Just look at this

497
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: girl and tell me what you think. He's like, she's

498
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: fucking amazing. So he started following you his names.

499
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.

500
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: So Scott's following you right anyway, I go, So I go,

501
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: how good is this girl? He's like, she's fucking amazing?

502
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: Who is she? What did you like? Everyone that I

503
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: show the like, who's this girl? So You're going to

504
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: be the next big thing. That's my prediction. I want

505
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: you to be, I hope.

506
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: So I'm manifesting it. I'm working hard.

507
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: I still I do music Monday through Friday. I still

508
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: a bar tend on the weekends. Yeap, no shade to

509
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: the job. I love it, but.

510
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: I can't wait to just do music full time.

511
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: Tell us about just digressing. Digressing for a moment. So

512
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: you live in New York right now?

513
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

514
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 5: Yeah?

515
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: Is that a lot around the city.

516
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: And I sing at the bar that I work at

517
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: and I love it here.

518
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is it. I've been to the States a bunch,

519
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: I've never been to New York. Try and try and

520
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: capture the essence of New York for my listeners. I'm

521
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: sure most have not been. What is? What is New York?

522
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: Describe New York to us like we've all seen it

523
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, but I've never been there.

524
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: Okay. Also, one thing that you said before is that

525
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 3: you said that there's a lot of talent here than

526
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 3: a lot of people are famous. And the one thing

527
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: about that is that.

528
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: For people that are like mega pop stars. Sorry, this

529
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: is just stuck in my head.

530
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: Because yeah, yeah, a sutle.

531
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: Reason that they're there. It's like showing up to the

532
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 3: studio every day, writing every day, getting it produced every day.

533
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 3: It's like also the hard working aspect of it. So

534
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: whenever I hear that, I'm like, well, but maybe they're

535
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: just working harder.

536
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: And it's true, they are just working harder.

537
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: So there's something that I'm doing that I could be

538
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: doing that isn't just like, oh man, I just the

539
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: things aren't working out for me and I'll just sit

540
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: here and be more talented and just live with it.

541
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: I have to get there somehow because I'm there's got

542
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: to be something else that I can be doing. And

543
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: that's where you get caught in like the I'm never

544
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: doing enough.

545
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: Thing I have. That is a really good point that

546
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: you might and it's it's absolutely valid, Like like you

547
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: have a gift ride so that's just But then how

548
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: you develop that gift, how you develop that skill, what

549
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: you do with it, how you in science we call

550
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: it operationalize it, you know, put it into out into

551
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: the world. Right, Yeah, because there are some I mean,

552
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: there are how many brilliant people are there that nobody's

553
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 1: ever heard of?

554
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I'm just lucky enough to be on your

555
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: podcast now and get my audience a little bit bigger

556
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: and have people hear about it and then hopefully make

557
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: things that speaks to their emotions and keep building on that.

558
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I'm just lucky, and then I

559
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: just have to put the more hard work behind it.

560
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: But anyways, to describe New York, I mostly really like

561
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: it because there's less of a barrier between strangers. We

562
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: moved a lot, so the barrier between strangers was kind

563
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: of gone. Anyway, in my upbringing, there wasn't a lot

564
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: of time to get to know people in my grade,

565
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: I have a year to be your best friend. So

566
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 3: here's everything about me, and then tell me everything about you.

567
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: So that helps you a lot when you move a lot,

568
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: because there's just you don't waste a lot of time

569
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: getting to know people. You kind of present yourself as

570
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: you are faster, yeah, which has its pros and its cons.

571
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, in New York, I just like how many

572
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: people there are here. I like that I get to

573
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: walk everywhere. I haven't driven since high school, so that's great. Yeah,

574
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: And you just get to feel the effects of your

575
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: energy faster because you're around more people. So if you're

576
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: putting out great energy, you just get rewarded for it

577
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: faster because there's so many things that could happen, you

578
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

579
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel that way. I think that you

580
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: ever sorry, Do you ever feel like I grew up

581
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: in the country, right, So I grew up in a

582
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: kind of rural quad and I live in what's nothing

583
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: like New York, that's for sure, but I live now closer.

584
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: I live in a suburb out of Melbourne, bottom of Australia,

585
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: and I live on a main street, and you know,

586
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: it's pretty busy. It's pretty like I'm surrounded by cafes

587
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: and bars and retail stores and restaurants and gyms and

588
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: all the normal nail shops and massage shops and bullshit

589
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: that's in any city, right, But sometimes I've just got

590
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: to go somewhere where there's none of that. I just

591
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: need space and quiet. And I'm also lucky because I

592
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: live eight hundred meters from the beach, so I can

593
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: just go there and it's pretty quiet. Do you feel

594
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: like you need to get away from the busyness and

595
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: the noise and all bit good mayhem? But like, there's

596
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: a lot of mayhem, there's a lot of nonstopness. Do

597
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: you just need to get away from that ever?

598
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

599
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: Nothing beats to the beach like I could stare out

600
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: at the ocean for hours whenever we go, because I

601
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: don't get to see it as often anymore. I just

602
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: got back from LA for a show, and I went

603
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: with my best friend and we went to Santa Monica

604
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: and just stared at the water for what seemed like

605
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: two hours, because it is the most.

606
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: Peaceful, calming thing, especially compared to the city.

607
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: Usually, when I crash out and just have worked really hard,

608
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: the closest I get to quiet is just isolating in

609
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: my room for two days and just really which isn't ideal.

610
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: I would love to just pack up and go to

611
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 3: the mountains for a week and probably write a whole

612
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: other album over there that that's coming. It was really good.

613
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: It was really good. I met with an agency that

614
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make some connections with. I had my

615
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: first headlining little showcase beautiful. Yeah. I had some cool

616
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: people come out and see it. I put into practice

617
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 3: some mindfulness things that could get me more out of

618
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: my head and in flow, which had a lot to

619
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: do with remembering that I deserve it and I'm not

620
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: tricking anybody into being here. Sometimes I feel like it's

621
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: crazy and I'm in a dream and there's no way

622
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: that I could do this and it'll go really well.

623
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: And so, yeah, my best friend is kind of in

624
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: that whole field of adjusting how you think about things

625
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: and really having an impact on how things go.

626
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: So we did a lot of.

627
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: Quote unquote manifestation type of stuff where you just picture

628
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: yourself doing well or change and not self sabotaging by

629
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: you know how, when you have things memorized, sometimes the

630
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: thought will pop in your head that's like, oh, you're

631
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: gonna mess up the next word. You're going to mess

632
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: it up. I don't know what that is, but I'll

633
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: do that to myself sometimes and I mess it up

634
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: and it's just confirming that I'm right and it's weird.

635
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: So I tried not to do that and the show

636
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: was great. It was a good test that your mind

637
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: does a lot of power.

638
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because you want to be awesome, but

639
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: you don't want to try too hard because when you

640
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: try too hard then there's anxiety and anxiety and anxiety

641
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: kind of kind of inversely correlates with performance.

642
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I had to see it as not

643
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: I have to do well to impress the people that

644
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 3: are important that are in this room. But of course

645
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 3: this is what I have to this is what I do.

646
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm a singer.

647
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 3: It's gonna go great because I sing. And then, yes,

648
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 3: that was really surprising that at twenty seven that was

649
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: late for me to learn. Yeah.

650
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean even though you're a dinosaur and

651
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: clearly you're on the home straight, but as a singer,

652
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: you're young, right, like it's four years, Like you've been

653
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: singing for four years? Really? Am I right in that?

654
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 3: Yeah?

655
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

656
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 3: It started really slow, just making little videos at home,

657
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: posting them on a private account. Then I was working

658
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: at a coffee shop and I would sing on their

659
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 3: little open mike nights, and it's slowly.

660
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: Do you have a you know, one of the things

661
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: that we talk about on the show a lot is

662
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: getting better whatever that means, you know, whether or not

663
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: that's changing your body or changing your business or your career,

664
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: or you know, being less stressed, more calm, more productive,

665
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: more efficient, producing better outcomes. Do you have like any

666
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: strategy for just forget the career stuff and the brand

667
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: and the exposure. But as a singer, is it just organic?

668
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: Do you have lessons? Do you have a coach? Do

669
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: you how do you get better as a singer and

670
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: a writer. Mmm?

671
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: I just started going to a coach regularly, just because

672
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: I think I need to have better technique that I

673
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: can rely on.

674
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: Other than just this feels good and this feels good.

675
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: That's not always the best for your vocal health. But

676
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: that's very recent. I really only notice the difference over time.

677
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: There's a video on my Instagram where I show a

678
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 3: video from four years ago where I first started doing

679
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: a cover and the like the tone and the ease

680
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: of the runs and everything is so different now just

681
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: because of practice, you can let go more once that's

682
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: just in your base of knowledge now. Yeah, but I

683
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: don't know that I'm I've just been doing it so

684
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: much because I love to do it, and so you

685
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: just get better the more you do something, like with anything. Yeah, writing,

686
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I'm getting better. I'm just

687
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: getting better at not overthinking. I'm getting I'm expanding my vocabulary.

688
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: That's really what it is.

689
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: Over the years, you expend.

690
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 3: Your vocabulary based on your taste and what you listen to,

691
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: your options to choose from get wider. Yeah, so it

692
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: just seems like you're better, but you just have learned more.

693
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 3: And now instead of these three notes that you usually

694
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 3: go to, now you have seven that you think of faster.

695
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, same with writing, So then you can let

696
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: go more and it feels actually less like work. Yeah,

697
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: because you know you just got this treasure trove of options.

698
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: I had to ask a cheesy, predictable question, but I

699
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: am genuinely interested. So you're on the voice, Uh, how

700
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: is that? How is that?

701
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: It was good? Uh? Hold on, let me try to

702
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: answer honestly and not script.

703
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

704
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I didn't even want to ask that question,

705
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: but I think it's a significant thing, and I thought,

706
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: how actually, how was I.

707
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: Tell you how it was?

708
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: Let me get in comfortable position. First off, did not

709
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 3: expect to go on it. I that was the biggest surprise,

710
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: and that was probably what led to my downfall, is

711
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: that during no part of it did I think, oh, yeah,

712
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: I deserve this.

713
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

714
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: I was terrified to lose it the whole time. So

715
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: if I did anything like that ever again, I would

716
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: completely change that mindset. And you could tell too, And

717
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 3: how I was singing just blacked out.

718
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: Nothing.

719
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: Just remember the words, remember the words, hit the right note.

720
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: Things were forced. I wasn't breathing right. My heart rate

721
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: so fast, and that affects your breathing. That affects everything.

722
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: You can't sing right if your heart's rates like going

723
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 3: like that.

724
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: But I did learn a lot through that experience.

725
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: I learned like that I can perform under a lot

726
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: of pressure. Yeah, I I was angry upon leaving, and

727
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: I learned that.

728
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 2: Everyone has their.

729
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 3: Time and nobody knows the reason why. I didn't understand

730
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: why I was leaving. At the time that I left,

731
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: I didn't understand some decisions that were made, and it

732
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: kind of doesn't matter. And I came to realize that

733
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 3: because for some reason, and I have understood the reasons now,

734
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: my partner had to keep going. He needed more exposure,

735
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: he needed to be in front of more people for

736
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: more time. And I was kind of good. I had

737
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: like a good following, I had a good basis and

738
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: I had to leave the contract at that exact time

739
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: to be able to do the EP and sign with

740
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: the people that I'm signed with now and carry on

741
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: and put out my original music. But in that moment,

742
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: I just couldn't understand what I did wrong, and I

743
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 3: was just I beat myself up so bad. So yeah,

744
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: it's kind of brutal to have a moment like that's

745
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: so public, but then everyone forgets about everything two days later,

746
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: like everything else.

747
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so it's.

748
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: Just self involved to think, oh no, everyone's gonna no,

749
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: everyone's gonna forget. Yeah.

750
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we didn't say it, so you're okay.

751
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 3: It was fine, Like it was good. I'm not it

752
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: was great. It was just what was going on mentally.

753
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 3: I know that it could have been better. I could

754
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: have done more mentally to propel myself, but I didn't

755
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 3: have the tools at the time. I was so new

756
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 3: to it. I felt like a baby.

757
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. How much writing do you do?

758
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 5: Well?

759
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: Now I'm writing every day just because I'm working on

760
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: my new EP. But before I wrote musically, I did

761
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: a lot of free writing, which I don't know if

762
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: you're familiar with free writing.

763
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like have you read.

764
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: The Artist's Way.

765
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 3: No, it's this book by Julia Cameron, and she wrote

766
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: it basically to help artists.

767
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: It applies to writers, any type of artist, just tap.

768
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: Into creativity, and she readed this thing called morning pages.

769
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,240
Speaker 3: Will you write three type whatever, three stream of consciousness,

770
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: just whatever it could be. I woke up today and

771
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: I'm feeling bad and I have to do laundry, and

772
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: it could be just bullshit. Whatever is circling around your brain.

773
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: Realistically that day that if you don't get it out

774
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: on paper, is going to be swirling around and then

775
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: you just never get to the end point. Yeah, So

776
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: by spewing all this bullshit for three pages or however

777
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: much it takes every morning, you start to open up

778
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: the vessel to the ether to receive ether, but you

779
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: get it receiving more ideas and you just empty the

780
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: junk out. So I would either do that a lot,

781
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 3: or I would just if I'm going through something stressful,

782
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 3: I would find that you have a lot of the answers.

783
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: You have more answers than you think. You just haven't

784
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: gotten to the end.

785
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: When you are forced to reach the end of the sentence,

786
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: you find you know exactly what you need to do

787
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: to get yourself out of the rut. It's just so

788
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: annoying to get there. Yes, and there's so many thoughts

789
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: that get in the way. I'll be thinking I'm sad

790
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: today because someone and so said this, But.

791
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to think about that.

792
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 3: I need to do my laundry and how many loads

793
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: do I need to do before my friends come over?

794
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: You just you jump away from that finishing the freaking

795
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: point and then if you're just like shit the rest

796
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: of the day, and then I don't make music. So

797
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: sometimes that helps either get the musical idea out or

798
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: just clear the bullshit that's not letting me.

799
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: You know. One of the interesting things I'm thinking about

800
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: as you're talking is like, simultaneously we don't want to

801
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: look for people's approval because that kind of compromises like

802
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: who we are and how we present ourselves. But at

803
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: the same time, for both of us, for your career

804
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: to work, you need people's approval, do you know what

805
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean? Because you want them to buy your music,

806
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: you want them to come here, you sing, you want

807
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: them to do what we're doing now, which is to

808
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: you want raving fans. You need it.

809
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

810
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: So I think in the middle of that practical reality

811
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: of well, I want people to listen to my podcast,

812
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: I want people to talk about it, I want people

813
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: to buy my books. I want people to you know,

814
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: whatever it is. But at the same time, I almost

815
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: need to forget about that in order for it to work.

816
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: Because people are drawn to authenticity.

817
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: It's like a weird code. The more yourself you are,

818
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: the less you care about it, the more they like

819
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: you because they see you don't care about it.

820
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's an irony. And it's

821
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: like you like.

822
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: A sixth sense. They can tell when you're faking it.

823
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: You can tell when you're faking it, you can tell

824
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: when other people are faking it or performing. There's just

825
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: like something there that you're like, no, I'm you're not

826
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: talking to me.

827
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: I think that's the gap between persona and person Yeah,

828
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, this is not friend, this

829
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: is the Fran Show totally.

830
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: You know. Maybe I just feel like when I bartend,

831
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 3: I get to see that a lot and when people's

832
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: personas drop, whether because they're drinking or they get comfortable.

833
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: So I guess I observe that a lot, and I

834
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: see when people are being authentic and how that draws

835
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: people into whether it's a story or them talking about

836
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: themselves or whatever it is. But I love to observe

837
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 3: that at work. It's really interesting.

838
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: H And another irony is like the more people try

839
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: and be likable, the less likable they are, like dude,

840
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: don't don't or you know, like I don't even how

841
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: fuck it I'll say. You know, guys trying to impress women,

842
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god stop, because trying to be impressive

843
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: is the opposite, Like it creates the opposite outcome of

844
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: what you think, because we all know what's going on, like, and.

845
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: Some women can spot that intention and see that they're

846
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 3: trying so hard and they feel bad and it it's sweet,

847
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: but yeah, you know what I mean. Like, sometimes you

848
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: see a guy trying so hard and you're like, oh,

849
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: you're really showing, like you're showing everything, like you're really trying.

850
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: And that's endearing because in a way that's being authentic

851
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: because they're showing they really want it. Yeah, but it's

852
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: more like off putting when they're putting on a front

853
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: like their big shit and they're not and that's yeah,

854
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 3: there's nothing to work with there, all.

855
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: Right, everyone, So we just took him any break because

856
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: I chicily asked Frand if she would sing a song,

857
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: and I probably should have checked with her before we

858
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: went live. But she said, yes, I'm very excited, So

859
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: tell us what you're gonna sing.

860
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sing your favorite Craig. I'm gonna do Joline

861
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: over Hallelujah. I'll just do a verse and a little chorus.

862
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, ladies and gentlemen. Friend the singer.

863
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: H your beauty is beyond compare with flaming lock of

864
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: auburn hair, with ivory skin and eyes of amalpleans.

865
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: Your smile is like a.

866
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 4: Breath of spring, your voices soft like samoan, and I

867
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: cannot compete with you.

868
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 5: Jolie Joly, Joly Jly Joly, Jolie, happen.

869
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: He talks about in his sleep. There's nothing that I

870
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 4: can do to keep from crying when he calls you

871
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 4: the Jolie.

872
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: And I can eas understand how you get easy.

873
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 4: Take my man, but you don't know what he means

874
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: me Jolie, Joe.

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Speaker 5: Joely Joely Joy Joe.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, very unprepared, a little rough, but you get it.

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Speaker 4: Dude.

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Speaker 1: You are a gift from God.

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Speaker 3: You can have the part that was smoothest, cut out

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Speaker 3: the parts where I went it was.

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Speaker 1: All phenomenal, like shut up, amazing amazing. Hey, well, I

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Speaker 1: think we need.

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Speaker 3: To get decided if you want to put it in or.

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Speaker 1: No, we're definitely going We're definitely putting that in. And Melissa,

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Speaker 1: leave all this conversation into because.

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Speaker 4: This is.

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Speaker 1: So What I'm going to say is, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for coming to chat with me. I want to

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Speaker 1: chat with you again, maybe in a few months, because

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Speaker 1: there's a few doors I'd like to open, and we

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Speaker 1: want to keep I want to keep supporting you and

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Speaker 1: keep promoting you and putting out the frand love to

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Speaker 1: the world. We'll say goodbye, affair butt friend. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for chatting with me, Thanks for being real

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Speaker 1: and raw and vulnerable, and thanks for being part of

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Speaker 1: the you project.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Greg, I'll see you in Australia sometime.

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Speaker 1: Come on, dude, Mom