Speaker 1: Oh, get a team. Welcome to another installment of the
Speaker 1: new project. Tiffany and Cook and Patrick, who's sitting somewhere
Speaker 1: in perspective of the lunar landscape. He seems to be
Speaker 1: hovering somewhere in a far away galaxy. TIF. Is there
Speaker 1: any way that you can take a photo of that
Speaker 1: to put it in the group? I don't know. Is
Speaker 1: that possible a screenshot? Could you? Because it's I love
Speaker 1: I love that that's not a virtual backdrop. That's a
Speaker 1: physical backdrop that looks amazing. Hi, Patrick, Hey, crego a,
Speaker 1: how are you?
Speaker 2: I got there first.
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. I'm I'm a little bit tired.
Speaker 1: I'm good, Like tiff was saying she'd had a little
Speaker 1: nana and app earlier. I've had to meet someone this
Speaker 1: morning at six thirty. I did a workshop last night
Speaker 1: till stupid o'clock with a whole bunch of people. I
Speaker 1: did a workshop the night before online also, you know,
Speaker 1: first world problems. I'm very lucky, very blessed, fortunate all that,
Speaker 1: but a little tired. And I've got a big meeting
Speaker 1: tonight with my senior academic supervisor, who's a smarty pants,
Speaker 1: and so I always get a little bit anxious because
Speaker 1: I'm not a smarty pants, and I worry about what
Speaker 1: he's going to ask me. So I'll just do thirteen
Speaker 1: poos today and that'll happen at seven o'clock. And that's
Speaker 1: just my body getting ready. You know, you're welcome, You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Does your body really do that when you're nervous?
Speaker 1: Oh? Sometimes sometimes there might be a little bit of
Speaker 1: additional you know, bathroom work. Everybody's gone. The people who
Speaker 1: are brand new to this show are going, what the
Speaker 1: actual fuck? And all the old listeners are like, yep,
Speaker 1: that's jumbo. There you goes to do it? Talking about
Speaker 1: bodily functions.
Speaker 3: Apparently that's a thing. I think it's a boy thing,
Speaker 3: is it? It must be a boy thing. I remember
Speaker 3: years ago one of my boyfriends he raced motorbikes, and
Speaker 3: I went to that day and I remember him saying
Speaker 3: that the bathroom always stunk because of all the nerves.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean us everyone goes for
Speaker 3: a nervous.
Speaker 1: Pooh, it's it's it's real, it's real. There's a physiological
Speaker 1: consequence of anxiety, and sometimes that's to you know, release
Speaker 1: the chucky hostage. You know what? No, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Was training at your gym one day, the plainer that
Speaker 2: I would train with Andrew, he'd suddenly at nine o'clock
Speaker 2: say I'm going to take the kids to the pool.
Speaker 1: No, drop the kids off at the pool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. And it's like, for for weeks,
Speaker 2: I thought he had kids. Regular didn't say it every time,
Speaker 2: you know, to finish a training session, and I just
Speaker 2: thought he was just jumping in the car.
Speaker 1: And yeah, brings a new perspective to the term log on,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. You know, you're welcome, You're welcome. There's a
Speaker 1: computer term for you. You guys were talking when I came
Speaker 1: on late, as I always do. Well, No, I'm on time.
Speaker 1: You guys are always I feel like you guys turn
Speaker 1: up early just to talk about me, and then when
Speaker 1: I show up, it's like I've walked into a bedroom
Speaker 1: with two naughty children and everything just goes quiet and
Speaker 1: you both look at me like fucking meerkats. Then I
Speaker 1: feel very nervous and a little left out. But Patrick
Speaker 1: was talking about were you talking about something about bone earphones? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, bone conducting headphones.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Well, you don't put the headphones. I mean, Tiff got
Speaker 2: us onto this in the first place, but I forget
Speaker 2: rather than putting the headphones in your ear, they sit
Speaker 2: around your ear and they're pressed up against you, I
Speaker 2: guess your jawbone, I suppose all the back of your ear,
Speaker 2: and it's and it conducts through the bone into your
Speaker 2: inner ear rather than the headphones being inside your ear.
Speaker 2: It's really good because I mean, the quality isn't as
Speaker 2: good as really good over ear headphones, so you're not
Speaker 2: going to be listening to high fidelity music. But what
Speaker 2: it's good for is if you're walking the dog, it
Speaker 2: means you can hear traffic, you can hear other people,
Speaker 2: and it's a lot safer I think if you're riding
Speaker 2: a bike that sort of thing. So, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: what you got them for, though, Tift, didn't you for
Speaker 2: the gen.
Speaker 3: For riding a pushbike?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I really good.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've never heard of them.
Speaker 2: They're really good.
Speaker 1: Who invented that? Who figures that out? That if we
Speaker 1: stick this, we stick this on your jaw.
Speaker 2: Well, this go around your ears.
Speaker 1: They work around Patrick's demonstrating now, which is probably not
Speaker 1: great for an audio product, but.
Speaker 2: You could describe what you're seeing th right.
Speaker 1: So they go around your ear and then the actual
Speaker 1: speaker bit is like at the top of your mandible.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yeah, I don't know about I know about
Speaker 1: human anatomy. I don't know about insect anatomy and proboscis.
Speaker 1: I've got a fucking proboscos. Don't worry about that, Jesus. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: when it was raining in the Hampton, it was torrential.
Speaker 1: Four people came and stood under my nose. It was
Speaker 1: very hurtful, but I kept them all dry. So that
Speaker 1: is important. That is important. T If what are those
Speaker 1: headphones slash mandible phones called? If people want to look
Speaker 1: them up and check them out, what's what are they called?
Speaker 3: Bro? The best known brand is by a company called
Speaker 3: Shocks s h O K S.
Speaker 2: I believe shock Shocks.
Speaker 3: They're really good.
Speaker 1: How much are they couple hundred bucks?
Speaker 2: I think I got mine for less than that different Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Patrick, you probably you probably know the answer to this,
Speaker 1: but I I want a filter. Okay. So I've had
Speaker 1: to do more videos lately for a range of reasons,
Speaker 1: which is essentially that he harps just talking at his phone.
Speaker 1: Now you might not have realized this, but I'm sixty
Speaker 1: one and apparently I'm not handsome anymore. So when I
Speaker 1: see the video, do you know, you know, like when
Speaker 1: I see myself on this on Zoom, there's a bit
Speaker 1: of a Doris Day filter. I look at myself, I
Speaker 1: look not terrible, right, not terrible, not great, not terrible.
Speaker 1: But then when I look at the raw unfiltered, very
Speaker 1: very very clear iPhone fucking four D high def whatever
Speaker 1: it is, fuck, it's hideous. So Patrick, my question is,
Speaker 1: can I get an app that makes me look a
Speaker 1: little bit better when I feel like, how do I
Speaker 1: do this in my phone? What do you got your
Speaker 1: head in your hands for?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Sorry, I just want to.
Speaker 1: Be less offensive to the people that have to look
Speaker 1: up my face a vacillated lens.
Speaker 2: Isn't that what they used to do in the old days?
Speaker 1: Well I might have to No, all right, I'm not sad.
Speaker 2: Phones do have filters on them, Like there are filters
Speaker 2: you can put on them. I mean, when you're doing
Speaker 2: zoom meeting. There are features within the Zoom settings that
Speaker 2: allow you to soften the features.
Speaker 1: Well I know that because I'm using it right now.
Speaker 1: I'm saying when I just want to record something on
Speaker 1: my iPhone. Whatever it is, is there a similar tiff?
Speaker 1: You probably know better than him. I feel like he's
Speaker 1: a dinosaur on this call.
Speaker 3: I don't use the iPhone either, but Android definitely has
Speaker 3: features where you can filter.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's already got it the features in iPhone, but
Speaker 1: I don't know how to operationalize it.
Speaker 3: He's an interesting fact someone was talking about this morning.
Speaker 3: Facebook is planning to remove certain filter features from their
Speaker 3: app because people are getting too obsessed with exactly what
Speaker 3: you're talking about. I don't know much of the details
Speaker 3: on it. Someone just mentioned it when I was training
Speaker 3: them this morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, TikTok's actually going to block teenagers from beauty filters.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to be beautiful. I just want
Speaker 1: to I don't want to look like a caricature. I
Speaker 1: just want as less red blotchy skin.
Speaker 2: Craig as your counselor, I think it's important for you
Speaker 2: to embrace aging. Is that it happens.
Speaker 3: Practice where you stand in front of a mirror and
Speaker 3: you just say I love you. Tis food off your
Speaker 3: own eyes.
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm massive. Yeah, here's my affirmation. You're a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: They're my affirmations, you know. Can I just say my
Speaker 1: affirmations are do better? That's what I tell myself.
Speaker 2: As somebody who shaves their head every second day because
Speaker 2: they've got nothing to kind of cover the old dome.
Speaker 2: I started losing my hair in my late twenties, which
Speaker 2: is a real body blow when you're a young guy, right.
Speaker 2: I went to the same hairdresser and he did stuff
Speaker 2: to kind of hide stuff, but eventually he said to
Speaker 2: me one day, why don't you just shave it all off?
Speaker 2: And I thought, oh shit. You know that's a big thing,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't at a time when footy players did
Speaker 2: it or anything like that. It's like you embrace being bored.
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I will, and luckily I have a
Speaker 2: relatively well shaped noggin, which helps, and so he shaved it.
Speaker 2: I went back to work and the first person I saw,
Speaker 2: one of the sales reps at work, she looked at
Speaker 2: me and she said, oh, you look like a criminal.
Speaker 2: It was the wor thing anybody can say. But I'm
Speaker 2: fifty seven now, and one of the things it does
Speaker 2: is it ages you prematurely when you go bald, but
Speaker 2: then you get to a point in your forties and
Speaker 2: then into your fifties where it d ages you. I think, so,
Speaker 2: I don't know. If you look you're the probably the
Speaker 2: smartest person from that perspective. You tell us what you
Speaker 2: think of blokes who shave their head? Is that? Is
Speaker 2: that anything? You know? Do you think that it doesn't
Speaker 2: aid you after a certain point?
Speaker 3: Maybe? I guess because you're not getting the gray hair.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's interesting. I've never really thought about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just guess what I'm doing after, Yes, what
Speaker 1: I'm doing next? No, it's see your locks.
Speaker 2: But I think what you need to do, Craigo is
Speaker 2: embrace craigo. You know, do some fows of yourself the mirror.
Speaker 2: You know, you kiss the mirror a bit.
Speaker 1: All right, that's enough now, I see on your list
Speaker 1: of talking points today, we actually chatted about the Granny
Speaker 1: one with David Gillespie, but I would like to hear
Speaker 1: your take on it anyway. Did you just explain it?
Speaker 2: Did I like you the Granny?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Grannie.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that anti scammer Grannie that was created to
Speaker 1: keep scammers bloody caught up online so they can't. But
Speaker 1: I'm sure not everyone heard that what was your what
Speaker 1: did you think about it? What was your or just
Speaker 1: for those who didn't hear, just explain what it was
Speaker 1: and then your take.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So obviously phone scams are a real problem and it
Speaker 2: tends to be older people who fall victim to that.
Speaker 2: And a UK based tech company or like a mobile
Speaker 2: phone company run by Virgin called Virgin Media ROH two,
Speaker 2: they've built this AI generated I guess it's called a
Speaker 2: scram Beta and what it does is it's just designed
Speaker 2: solely to stall scammers. So they pick up on numbers
Speaker 2: that the scammers must have a way to kind of
Speaker 2: call through to a chain of numbers, and then what
Speaker 2: they do is they just keep them busy talking to
Speaker 2: this AI old lady, and it tricks these crims into
Speaker 2: thinking that they are actually defrauding a real person. So
Speaker 2: it's not just engaging it hands out bank details. It
Speaker 2: really is clever at fooling them into thinking they are
Speaker 2: actually talking to a real person on the other line.
Speaker 2: And the theory being is the more time you can
Speaker 2: waste of these scammers, the less time they'll be scamming
Speaker 2: real people. So that's the gist of it. And her
Speaker 2: name is Daisy and she's been taking calls for quite
Speaker 2: a while now, and it's great. Just leverages off all
Speaker 2: the biases that those scammers have about older people and
Speaker 2: it's kind of used that to train the AI model
Speaker 2: and it's just really clever at engaging with these people
Speaker 2: and talking like an old person.
Speaker 1: I saw this on the news and what was funny
Speaker 1: to see was like footage of some of the scammers,
Speaker 1: or at least audio of some of the scammers with
Speaker 1: the Daisy talking in inverted commas, and you could hear
Speaker 1: the frustration and the anger escalating in the scammers who
Speaker 1: started to like started to attack her after like an
Speaker 1: hour on the phone and started to lose their shit.
Speaker 1: Because but I mean, what a testament to how much
Speaker 1: this stuff has evolved that an actual human can have
Speaker 1: a conversation in inverted commas for one hour with something
Speaker 1: that is not a human and not know it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is amazing. You're absolutely nailing it right on
Speaker 2: the head there. It's interesting. In a survey that was done,
Speaker 2: seventy one percent of Britons want to get revenge on SMS.
Speaker 2: So you either have been scammed or you know somebody
Speaker 2: who's been scammed, and you really would love to get
Speaker 2: revenge on those people. So this aiitil plays right into
Speaker 2: the hands of what the majority of people in the
Speaker 2: UK what I reckon that to be pretty similar in Australia,
Speaker 2: how many people would love to get revenge. There are
Speaker 2: videos where these really clever people go onto YouTube and
Speaker 2: they managed to turn the scammers against them. And what
Speaker 2: they do is they jump on and they use security
Speaker 2: cameras or they use the webcams built into the scammer's
Speaker 2: own devices, and then they pinpoint. They say we know
Speaker 2: where are, we know where you live, and it's just
Speaker 2: great to watch them. They're pretty pretty full on when
Speaker 2: the scammers realize that they've been caught out. But not
Speaker 2: only did they get caught out, people know where they live,
Speaker 2: they know where they're working, they have footage of them,
Speaker 2: and in some cases has even resulted in some of
Speaker 2: those big I guess effectively from criminal syndicate having to
Speaker 2: shut down that operation.
Speaker 1: M M. You can I ask this is related but
Speaker 1: not specific to what we're talking about. But related? Are
Speaker 1: you on LinkedIn? Patrick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bit of a bugbear in my office
Speaker 2: because I am but I have an.
Speaker 1: Updated long long I t if you're on LinkedIn, right, yep?
Speaker 1: What do you think of LinkedIn? In?
Speaker 3: What respect?
Speaker 1: Like? Do you like it? Do you think it's I
Speaker 1: don't mind it, I use it. I'm on it. One
Speaker 1: of the one of the things I find annoying is
Speaker 1: and I understand that, I mean maybe I think maybe
Speaker 1: I didn't really understand is is it just meant to
Speaker 1: be kind of almost like an online networking thing? TIF like,
Speaker 1: is that it's kind of mean business?
Speaker 3: Facebook?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right? Because it's like, you know what I hate
Speaker 1: is when someone goes hikrage, just wondering if you need
Speaker 1: a little help promoting this or that, and dad da
Speaker 1: da da da, and I you know, I don't ask
Speaker 1: them to send me something, and so I just ignore
Speaker 1: it because I don't want to engage in a conversation
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 2: Right, And then a.
Speaker 1: Week later they're like, hey, buddy, just reaching out again,
Speaker 1: just circling back, just just opening the door again. Haha,
Speaker 1: I hope you haven't a great week all this shit,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, nah, Like sometimes I feel like going,
Speaker 1: if I don't answer you three times in a row,
Speaker 1: how fucking dumb are you that you keep reaching out?
Speaker 1: Like if I was interested, I would have said, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: let's have a chat. But and I don't mind people
Speaker 1: trying to build business or all of that. I'm cool,
Speaker 1: but they right like they're your buddy. And some of
Speaker 1: the people that send me stuff, they're like, hey, I
Speaker 1: can help you build your audience. And I'm a podcast
Speaker 1: this or that, and I look at what they do
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, you've got seven fucking files like you.
Speaker 1: I can help you with your speaking career. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't, you absolutely can't. Oh anyway, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: Me and me and LinkedIn are a little bit up
Speaker 1: in the air at the moment. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: that love affair is going to continue.
Speaker 2: I've got to tell you something really funny. You know how,
Speaker 2: there's been all this legislation to try to stop young
Speaker 2: kids getting onto social media. So there's a social media
Speaker 2: band that they're trying to put into place via legislation.
Speaker 2: And you know what the LinkedIn people said when they
Speaker 2: were asked about this social media ban on young kids.
Speaker 2: Their response was, we're too boring for kids to be
Speaker 2: part of a social media band. This thought was a
Speaker 2: crack up, They admitted, you know what, kids don't want
Speaker 2: to be anywhere near us.
Speaker 1: It's kind of true. I mean, well it's not. It's
Speaker 1: definitely not a platform that's saying at kids or so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess if they're going to ban
Speaker 1: social media platforms, they have to ban them all. I guess.
Speaker 1: Is that, by the way, is that actually happening or
Speaker 1: is that still just an idea? No?
Speaker 2: No, I think the legislation went through. They pushed it
Speaker 2: through in a very short amount of time, and that's
Speaker 2: caused lots of angst. In fact, because now a lot
Speaker 2: of people are coming out of the woodwork and saying, well,
Speaker 2: you know, this may hinder certain groups, it may cause problems.
Speaker 2: There was a chap who I was reading an article
Speaker 2: about who has an intellectual disability and was saying that
Speaker 2: there are young people who use social media in different
Speaker 2: ways than what we traditionally see social media being used,
Speaker 2: and you could actually shut the door on ways they
Speaker 2: can interact with people and other people who have similar problems.
Speaker 2: So it's a tough one. But I think the legislation
Speaker 2: went through. I hadn't been following it as closely as
Speaker 2: I probably should have. I know that they wanted to
Speaker 2: try to get it in for closer business, so to speak.
Speaker 2: And now they've basically taken you know, what do they
Speaker 2: call it when they finish up for the year? What
Speaker 2: they finish up for the year.
Speaker 1: Wow, I think they've gone on holiday as Patrick. But
Speaker 1: they put the sign on the door back in January
Speaker 1: or probably.
Speaker 2: March mates January. It's way too soon.
Speaker 1: But it does raise an interesting point, and is is
Speaker 1: social media the problem underlined? Or is the way that
Speaker 1: some people use social media the problem. I use social media.
Speaker 1: You two both use social media. Most of our listeners
Speaker 1: use social media, I would think, and again, of course
Speaker 1: we're not children, but it's I don't know. Is the
Speaker 1: answer just to take it away or is the answer
Speaker 1: to help kids understand what is healthy what is unhealthy?
Speaker 1: Because it's not you know, there's a million you know,
Speaker 1: there's vapes, there's cigarettes, there's there's a million things that
Speaker 1: kids can and do access. There's pawn there's all of
Speaker 1: the social media platforms. It's what rather than just taking
Speaker 1: shit away from them, by the way, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the answer is. Maybe that is the answer, but
Speaker 1: I feel like helping kids to make better decisions and
Speaker 1: be more aware and more responsible, to be able to
Speaker 1: you know, make what are decisions around you know, the
Speaker 1: way that their life goes. I mean, you know what's
Speaker 1: funny is, oh, should I say this? No, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say. But we let children make them think
Speaker 1: about the world right now. We let children make some
Speaker 1: very very big decisions now which are going to change
Speaker 1: their life forever. Right But we're going to say, nah,
Speaker 1: but you can't look at Instagram. You're fifteen. You can't
Speaker 1: look at Instagram. You know. It's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: that that's fixing a problem, and I'm not. It has
Speaker 1: no impact on me. So I don't care either way.
Speaker 1: But I just don't know that that's the solution.
Speaker 2: Look under sixteen year olds. I look again, I'm no expert.
Speaker 2: I don't have kids. However, one of the big concerns
Speaker 2: is that you can go into a rabbit hole. We've
Speaker 2: all done that with social media. I do it on
Speaker 2: YouTube all the time. But you know that social media
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. And I think kids are more vulnerable at
Speaker 2: the age being under sixteen. They're not mature, but they're
Speaker 2: exploring their world. They're exploring the world around them. They
Speaker 2: need more affirmations and social media can be so unrealistic
Speaker 2: in that sense. So the ex and I'm not an expert,
Speaker 2: but you know, we keep hearing that the experts are
Speaker 2: saying that social media is detrimental to mental health for
Speaker 2: young people, for young kids particularly, And I mean I
Speaker 2: know older people. I know adults who have problems with
Speaker 2: social media, have problems spending too much time on social media.
Speaker 2: Who you know whose whole day can be ruined because
Speaker 2: they didn't get enough likes on their instapost. You know,
Speaker 2: that's the type of thing that's detrimental. Now you look
Speaker 2: at a kid, you look at a young person who
Speaker 2: doesn't have the coping mechanisms, who doesn't have the maturity
Speaker 2: level to be able to make or realize that what
Speaker 2: has been said about them online just one person, you know,
Speaker 2: they don't have the resources psychologically to be able to
Speaker 2: cope with those sorts of things. There's got to be
Speaker 2: something to it. You know, we're talking world leading legislation
Speaker 2: stopping children from accessing social media. I mean, you don't
Speaker 2: just throw that together unless there's a lot of experts
Speaker 2: out there saying that something needs to be done to
Speaker 2: protect kids online.
Speaker 1: But what about the kids who are not those kids?
Speaker 1: I get it, what you're saying is true, right, some
Speaker 1: kids can't self regulate. Some kids they can't, but not
Speaker 1: all the kids. It's like, you know, it's like there
Speaker 1: are lots of guys, lots of guys who have porn addiction.
Speaker 1: Not you, not me? Why maybe you? I don't think so,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It's like screens going at the time, just would have
Speaker 2: let you know, what.
Speaker 1: Is that grunting in the background.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I mean, I've got access to cigarettes
Speaker 1: and booze and drugs if I want. I guess. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm great. I'm just saying when.
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And why why sixteen? Why not eighteen? Why? I just
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I don't think it's that cut and
Speaker 1: dry or that arbitrary. And I think to say that
Speaker 1: all fourteen year olds can't self manage or regulate, can't
Speaker 1: make good decisions, therefore we need to take it away
Speaker 1: from them. I don't know that this is a good
Speaker 1: way for kids to learn. I mean, there are parts
Speaker 1: of the world where kids are working at fourteen and
Speaker 1: earning an income and supporting their family. Not saying that
Speaker 1: should be a thing, but that is a thing. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know anyway, that's a philosophical
Speaker 1: discussion for another day.
Speaker 2: Complicated, complicated argument. And you're right because you know it
Speaker 2: first came to mind to me, is what happens to
Speaker 2: some kid who's living out in the country, who might
Speaker 2: be on a closed Facebook support group and that might
Speaker 2: have autism, or they could be part of the LGBT community,
Speaker 2: and they find a perent and alone and this is
Speaker 2: their one way to interact with people in a private
Speaker 2: way that they feel like they've got a sense of
Speaker 2: community online. And that is the sense for people, you know.
Speaker 1: If you're perfect example, perfect example, I mean that's where
Speaker 1: for some people, depending on And yes, it's like I
Speaker 1: always say, with most things, it's not the thing that's
Speaker 1: the problem. It's the dose. Yeah, it's the dose. You know,
Speaker 1: like as bro clear maybe good one or two, but
Speaker 1: thirty five not good. You know, a bit of cake fine,
Speaker 1: seven cakes not fine? You know, two leaders of water good,
Speaker 1: thirteen leaders of water bad. You know, like training in
Speaker 1: the gym an hour a day good, training nine hours
Speaker 1: a day bad. You know, it's like it depends on
Speaker 1: the way that that whatever it is, that resource like
Speaker 1: a gym's a resource, food is a resource. The internet
Speaker 1: is a resource. It depends how we use it. And
Speaker 1: I just feel like we're not teaching kids to navigate
Speaker 1: the messiness of life. Hey, kids, life's unfair. There's going
Speaker 1: to be there are things out there that are going
Speaker 1: to try and fuck you over because it's in people's
Speaker 1: commercial interest to get you addicted. So let's just teach
Speaker 1: you about the dangers of technology addiction. Let's talk to
Speaker 1: you about I don't know, it's just seems like there's
Speaker 1: an opportunity there to help kids become I don't know,
Speaker 1: more mature and more And I know there's a genetic
Speaker 1: and a physiological component and brain development component, but you know,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of kids in the world that
Speaker 1: are navigating a lot, a lot harder shit than bloody
Speaker 1: This stuff steps down our soapbox.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, there you go, And all right, when's the sermon. No,
Speaker 2: you're right, and we're not going to solve it in
Speaker 2: forty five minutes. It's very detailed, long complicated, and parents
Speaker 2: need to be a part of the process as well.
Speaker 2: Responsible adults around kids who are using social media, because
Speaker 2: when you go to the supermarket and you see a
Speaker 2: three year old with an iPhone because it's a way
Speaker 2: to distract them while mum's doing the shopping. You know,
Speaker 2: that's the beginning of that connection with the screen.
Speaker 1: Isn't it cheapest babysitter in the world, One of my
Speaker 1: friends says, cheapest babysitter ever. I'll tell us about it.
Speaker 2: Let's tell you one more little thing. I was reading
Speaker 2: an article recently talking about breastfeeding mothers who are on
Speaker 2: their phones can actually cause problems for toddlers because they're
Speaker 2: not looking at the kid while they're breastfeeding. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: that so not making eye contact, not having that direct
Speaker 2: maternal connection with the child because there's a phone in
Speaker 2: the way away. I thought i'd throw that went in. Sorry,
Speaker 2: you're going to ask me something else.
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask about the sad announcement
Speaker 1: email that implies your friend has done that SAPs dodgy. Ah.
Speaker 2: There's so many scams going around at the moment, and
Speaker 2: they're getting so easy to be fooled. You know, the
Speaker 2: reality of it is what they're doing now is you
Speaker 2: get an email and titled a sad announcement, so it's
Speaker 2: inferring that someone close to you has passed away, and
Speaker 2: they're trying to use triggers that will get people to click.
Speaker 2: You know, you might like to see the last photo
Speaker 2: that was taken of and they name the person, so
Speaker 2: you get an email from TIFF's email. It's like, I
Speaker 2: can't this is terrible to tell you that something's happened
Speaker 2: to Tiff. This is the last photo we took of her.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the you know what I mean like this?
Speaker 2: This is awful that you know, people are looking to
Speaker 2: scam in the every possible trigger that can be used,
Speaker 2: and this is just another one. You know, little things
Speaker 2: like I'm presuming you should remember these two ladies in
Speaker 2: that photo. You know, when I was looking through some
Speaker 2: old fold as I found these picks. You know, it
Speaker 2: wasn't initially my plan, but I had to change my
Speaker 2: mind about it. Just little clever mechanisms try to get
Speaker 2: you to do that fatal click that then leads you
Speaker 2: down that hacking rabbit hole. It's it's so distressing that
Speaker 2: people are using this sort of leverage.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the one that's doing the rounds of
Speaker 1: Simon cow You know that America's got talent. Dude, the
Speaker 1: judge he owns I think he actually owns the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So there's this picture of Simon Cow and it's like
Speaker 1: got candles around us, and it's in loving memory, and
Speaker 1: it's like he's died, and it's like there's a picture
Speaker 1: of him and his birth date to his death date
Speaker 1: in vert commas. I'm like, and it just came up
Speaker 1: on my phone. I'm like, Simon Cow's did, how the
Speaker 1: fuck is what? And I very nearly clicked on it
Speaker 1: to open it up to read the story, and then
Speaker 1: I went, pretty sure it's not dead, and then this
Speaker 1: kind of looks real, but I doubt it. And then
Speaker 1: so I just went in and I went, is there
Speaker 1: a Simon Cow scam? And it's like, yes, don't open this,
Speaker 1: don't you know. That's the good thing, I guess, or
Speaker 1: one of the good things about the Internet is that
Speaker 1: people are going to go and tell the world when
Speaker 1: they get scammed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, if you've got an iPhone, a mac,
Speaker 2: an iPad, you happen to be an Apple user. One
Speaker 2: of the other recent things is that your Apple ID
Speaker 2: has been suspended. Now, this is a tough one for
Speaker 2: people because if you were to make purchases online, you
Speaker 2: need your Apple ID quite often to log into the
Speaker 2: device if you're using your iPhone to make a purchase
Speaker 2: or whatever it happens to be. So again another trigger
Speaker 2: point and they're over to hang on, hang.
Speaker 1: On, are you saying the scam is they're telling you
Speaker 1: it's been suspended or no? No, no, that's when you said that.
Speaker 1: You just said the bad news is You're I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: has it exactly? You nearly scammed me? So right, so right,
Speaker 1: so it hasn't really been. But that's the story. Chick
Speaker 1: your email, Craig, your account.
Speaker 2: Might have been suspended. Let me just get that email
Speaker 2: out natif that was an easy con.
Speaker 1: If I click on that, and that's you want a
Speaker 1: fucking bare skin rug, I'm out.
Speaker 2: Dear hey, yeah, so what they're doing so it's it's
Speaker 2: an ID, the Apple I D suspension thing. It's one
Speaker 2: thing that Apple people are in fear of because you
Speaker 2: can't do a lot without logging into your Apple I D.
Speaker 2: So particularly now we've got all those big sales on
Speaker 2: at the moment, you know, the Black Friday stuff, and
Speaker 2: two billion people are active Apple users. So whether as
Speaker 2: you know an iPad, you know an iPhone, So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people in that ecosystem. It's really funny
Speaker 2: that I'm going to tell you this little side story.
Speaker 2: Apple used to have this great ad and it said
Speaker 2: Apple computers don't get PC viruses. It's like, of course
Speaker 2: they don't get PC viruses, they get Apple viruses. I mean,
Speaker 2: because it makes sense. If you're going to put a
Speaker 2: virus out there, you're going to send it to the
Speaker 2: majority of people who happened to be on PC. But
Speaker 2: it was a really clever marketing trick to infer that
Speaker 2: you wouldn't get a virus if you had an Apple device.
Speaker 2: But with two billion users out there, yes, you now
Speaker 2: are ripe as a target four scammers, and this just
Speaker 2: happens to be one of the latest scams that's hitting
Speaker 2: the Apple ecosystem specifically.
Speaker 1: Excuse my aggnorance, but an Apple laptop is still a PC.
Speaker 2: Right, No, No, it's a Mac. It runs Mac operating.
Speaker 1: Doesn't PC stand for personal computer?
Speaker 2: It does? But Apples aren't personal computers?
Speaker 1: Well what are they? Impersonal max? That's bullshit, that's fucking bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's a computer and it's yours. It's you fucking Apple tops.
Speaker 1: It's so fucking up yourselves. It's like a cult. Apple's
Speaker 1: a cult. Fuck your cult?
Speaker 2: Can you say? I just asked Gemini the Google AI. Yes,
Speaker 2: technically Apple is a personal computer.
Speaker 1: Thank you, the end, the end, the end.
Speaker 2: Yes, a PC is a general term for a personal computer,
Speaker 2: and MAC is a specific brand of a PC made
Speaker 2: by exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: That's why all kleenex are still tissues but not moving
Speaker 1: the deck chairs.
Speaker 2: PC's typically run Windows, whereas max run on the mac os.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but to my question, is it still a personal computer? Yes,
Speaker 1: well that's a PC in a technical term. Stop trying
Speaker 1: to be right? Will you just swallow your big Apple
Speaker 1: ego and just fucking move on?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Dear, tell us a house. Tell us. By the way,
Speaker 1: everyone who's like, is that real? Do they really? No?
Speaker 1: We don't hate each other. This is how we talk.
Speaker 1: I love him. He's wrong, but I love him. Tell
Speaker 1: me about I've always wondered about this virtual like VR
Speaker 1: headsets for people who are using them for fitness purposes,
Speaker 1: so for workouts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you saw this story. It's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: I do use my VR headset for lots of stuff.
Speaker 2: And there's a game that I really love to play
Speaker 2: called Beat Saber and by the end of the game,
Speaker 2: you've built up quite a sweat. Now that's a problem
Speaker 2: because they've picked up an issue with the Metaquest three,
Speaker 2: which is the top of the range meta headset, and
Speaker 2: it's causing problems because when people get super sweaty, the
Speaker 2: sweat is seeping into the electronics and so Meta actually
Speaker 2: replacing the devices, which is great. They're actually allowing that
Speaker 2: people can send them in and get them replaced, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like there's a permanent solution for them yet.
Speaker 2: So it just seems like for those extra sweaty people,
Speaker 2: this can be a problem. So you know, take the
Speaker 2: headset off, get your tissues out.
Speaker 1: What's the game that you play? What's it called again?
Speaker 2: I beat Saber?
Speaker 1: Okay, Shocker Shocker? Tell our listeners what that is.
Speaker 2: If you imagine you're standing in a day.
Speaker 1: Before you tell us, can you just remind us how
Speaker 1: old you are again.
Speaker 2: I'm fifty seven years old.
Speaker 1: That I never sorry, go on answer the question.
Speaker 2: Thank you call me Peter. Yeah, and I do believe
Speaker 2: in fairies. So anyway, what you're doing is you're standing
Speaker 2: on a platform with two effectively light sabers and two
Speaker 2: different colors. So you can imagine you got a blue
Speaker 2: lightsaber and a red.
Speaker 1: Lights and TIFF's losing her ship.
Speaker 2: And when she comes over, I'm going to make her
Speaker 2: play this and use a song, and you choose a
Speaker 2: level of difficulty and these cubes come flying at you
Speaker 2: and listen to the beat of the music. It shouldn't YouTube,
Speaker 2: but it's great to the beat of the music. And
Speaker 2: what you've got to do is you've got to swipe
Speaker 2: down and slice the cube by swiping down or up
Speaker 2: into the side, and you do it all in time
Speaker 2: to music. So it's very much based on coordination and
Speaker 2: movement to be able to continue to get through the song,
Speaker 2: and as you get better at it, it's really quite
Speaker 2: interesting the way your brain is able.
Speaker 1: What you know, Can I just say, oh God, there's
Speaker 1: something so funny I want to say, but I can't
Speaker 1: because I can't, But I can I just point out
Speaker 1: that no I can't. I'll get in trouble. Fuck who
Speaker 1: knew I had a filter. Everyone's going to send me
Speaker 1: an e mail now going what were you going to say?
Speaker 2: What were you going to say?
Speaker 1: We want to know It's it just seems like the
Speaker 1: gayest game I've ever heard of. And that's because you're gay.
Speaker 1: And it's okay. I love you and I love all
Speaker 1: my gay friends, but I can't what really, all.
Speaker 2: The Beat Saber people out there, it's okay. You don't
Speaker 2: have to be part of the Rainbow Flag generation to
Speaker 2: play Beat Saber. Really, it's good.
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to come up and fucking love it.
Speaker 1: You will love it, I guarantee, and then and then
Speaker 1: I'll be out loud and proud, just on's my saber.
Speaker 2: You will now. Look, you know, the other fascinating thing
Speaker 2: is and I know I'm going down a rabbit hole here.
Speaker 2: When you get to a certain level of difficulty, when
Speaker 2: you first play it, you're really unco you know.
Speaker 1: Look at Tiff Space. Can I just interrupt TIF? What
Speaker 1: are you looking at?
Speaker 3: I'm watching Beat Saber on YouTube as we speak.
Speaker 2: What do you think? Tip doesn't look cool?
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to visualize how this has become a thing.
Speaker 3: That is.
Speaker 2: But if you think of fun for you playing this
Speaker 2: to your or Queen song or something new Lady Gaga,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what song you're listening to.
Speaker 1: Again, rest my case, Queen and Lady Gaga. Is there
Speaker 1: any midnight.
Speaker 2: Oil floating around Jim Lincoln Park, Imagine the Wons. There
Speaker 2: are two of my other albums that I've got on there,
Speaker 2: but you know what, here's one that you might be
Speaker 2: able to put some insight into. When I first started playing,
Speaker 2: it was hard to play. But as you get better
Speaker 2: and better, you go to a high level of skill.
Speaker 2: But I got to a point where I couldn't concentrate
Speaker 2: on both hands at the same time because the blocks
Speaker 2: were moving toward me so quickly, So I only focus
Speaker 2: on one hand by say my right hand. Now my
Speaker 2: brain is still taking care of the left hand side.
Speaker 2: So when you think about playing a game, say you
Speaker 2: were playing a sport where you're using both arms at
Speaker 2: the same time, you need to be cognitively aware of
Speaker 2: what both arms are doing. But I've got to a
Speaker 2: point in the game where I only concentrate on one
Speaker 2: side and the other side of my brain or the
Speaker 2: other side of my brain that's controlling my other hand
Speaker 2: is just doing it without me thinking about it. So
Speaker 2: visually I'm seeing it. I know that I have to
Speaker 2: swipe And am I even making sense to you?
Speaker 1: So you're telling me.
Speaker 3: Jim in wherever that place you live is the land? Yeah,
Speaker 3: just go to the land boxing gym and now up
Speaker 3: a new sport.
Speaker 1: Yeah something where yeah, something where you're hitting actual things.
Speaker 2: If no one needs me back when I played beats saber,
Speaker 2: that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Tell us about gadgets that only millennials will remember. Look
Speaker 1: when you think from the nineties, is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll think about the stuff that we I mean,
Speaker 2: did you ever have a disc man or a walkman?
Speaker 1: Sure? Did?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Kids have no idea what they are.
Speaker 1: That's because that's because they've got one million songs at
Speaker 1: their fingertip.
Speaker 2: But it's making a revival. The thing is cassettes. They're
Speaker 2: making cassette players again. They're making the d players again
Speaker 2: because kids want analog media, they want vinyl, they want CDs,
Speaker 2: and now they want cassettes.
Speaker 1: What do you think is like, what is the catalyst
Speaker 1: for that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Why would you want something that's not as good as
Speaker 1: what they're currently is? Like from a use point, like
Speaker 1: you what can you have ten songs on a cassette
Speaker 1: and then you've got to record them? Then you've got
Speaker 1: to stick it in and press play and put batteries
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 2: The mixtape? Remember the mixtape? Now, I wonder if it's
Speaker 2: pushback against technology. I wonder if if they're I mean,
Speaker 2: I we know young Chris who did the show for
Speaker 2: me a little while ago. He he's into kiss and
Speaker 2: he he's got vinyl. I brought him a record player
Speaker 2: for his birthday. So he's fifteen and he's obsessed with
Speaker 2: VINYLNT And that's great. The kids are doing that and
Speaker 2: getting an interest. I mean, it's bloody expensive to go.
Speaker 2: Have a look at what it costs for an album,
Speaker 2: and they're not cheap. But I just thought that was
Speaker 2: really interesting that that there is a pushback against tech
Speaker 2: and there are kids who aren't. I mean, I've got
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old who works for me and he's
Speaker 2: not on social media. It's like they don't want to
Speaker 2: be on They certainly don't want to be on Facebook.
Speaker 2: You know, don't get a young people that was so
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. You know, young people now they want
Speaker 2: to be seen. They're not places where their grandparents hang out.
Speaker 1: I've got something that I want to show you. It's
Speaker 1: going to take me thirty seconds to get so I
Speaker 1: want speaking of this. I'm going to go get it.
Speaker 1: You two keep talking. I don't say anything bad because
Speaker 1: I'll listen back timmy second.
Speaker 2: It occurred to me, Tiff, did you hear the grandma
Speaker 2: like AI grandma? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And we played a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was really good, wasn't it. Yeah, because I
Speaker 2: had it all cued up ready to play. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: just want.
Speaker 3: To go with the phone numbers that ring you and
Speaker 3: then hang up if you answer.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I think they just want to check to see if
Speaker 2: there's actually a person who's going to answer the phone.
Speaker 3: I get those from the same but a variation of
Speaker 3: the same number. The last three yeah, zero, yeah, zero,
Speaker 3: And I've blocked them all the time, and if I
Speaker 3: ever accidentally answer, they hang up.
Speaker 2: Well, what I tend to do now is unless the
Speaker 2: number is in my list in my phone list, I
Speaker 2: just let it go to a message bank, and if
Speaker 2: they leave a message, I'll call them back. If they don't,
Speaker 2: I won't. No, it is problematic, and I tend to
Speaker 2: get them later in the afternoon. Do you get those No?
Speaker 3: No, I don't pay attention.
Speaker 1: So I'm back.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well you should have heard.
Speaker 1: So I was cleaning out a draw. I'm going to
Speaker 1: just bring it up just the top of it and
Speaker 1: see if you can guess game Boy.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, oh my god, it is too. It's a green,
Speaker 2: a bright green game Boy, isn't it?
Speaker 1: And can you see what's in?
Speaker 2: No? I can't see what game have you got on it?
Speaker 2: I can't believe he's taking the piss out of me
Speaker 2: for playing Beats Saber and he's got his green fluorescent
Speaker 2: game Boy. Dude, that's pretty excellent. I can't quite see it.
Speaker 2: It's too small. What game are you played?
Speaker 1: So Tetris so I got, I've got my I've got
Speaker 1: my game Boy color with Tetris so fucking good. And
Speaker 1: I think this I think this bad boy is about
Speaker 1: thirty years old.
Speaker 2: Oh they're great. Game boys are fantastic.
Speaker 1: And how game Boy? I don't know how much this
Speaker 1: is worth? But no one's buying it. No, yeah, I
Speaker 1: found it. I didn't. I was going to say the
Speaker 1: other day. I found it a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1: I was cleaning stuff up, and I'm like, I wonder
Speaker 1: if this still works. I turned it on because the
Speaker 1: batteries has got to be thirty years old. Bing wow, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See that's so, I'll.
Speaker 1: Let you have a go of it. You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Awesome, that'd be great Tetris is a laser discs? Did
Speaker 2: you ever remember we had friends of ours that had
Speaker 2: laser discs. Now, I'm not talking about CDs or Dvds're
Speaker 2: talking about like laser dicks discs. Keeping cut that one out.
Speaker 1: Laser dicks. Wow, that's going to be painful all round.
Speaker 1: Laser discs for music.
Speaker 2: No movies. They were big, yeah, yeah, not blu ray no, no, no, no, no, giant, big,
Speaker 2: twelve inch enormous like a record like it was like
Speaker 2: a vinyl, but it was a laser disc.
Speaker 1: I remember ones that were size of a CD where
Speaker 1: you could play movies.
Speaker 2: Now, these these were these came out before the traditional
Speaker 2: CDs and DVDs came out. The only problem was they
Speaker 2: cost so much more than VHS tapes to make. They
Speaker 2: were five times more expensive. I knew someone who had
Speaker 2: like a whole collection of them, and they just didn't
Speaker 2: take off so much. What did and it was more
Speaker 2: than I was thinking of other gadgets that took off. PDAs.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what a PDA was?
Speaker 1: No, people?
Speaker 2: Was it like a like a recorder or something that
Speaker 2: was a personal digital assistant. So it had a calendar
Speaker 2: in it and it had a pen. I think Hewlett
Speaker 2: Packard made them, so it was green on it with
Speaker 2: a little pen. Do you remember business people used to
Speaker 2: have them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember, and they were like the size
Speaker 1: of a pager, but a bit bigger or something.
Speaker 2: Oh they were kind of like the size of a
Speaker 2: more standard mobile phone, is now right right?
Speaker 1: Did you ever have a pager? Oh? Yeah I did.
Speaker 2: I did. I had one as a journalist, I had yep, yep,
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 1: I had a pager before I got my motor rolla brick.
Speaker 1: I thought I was the ship, you know, and like
Speaker 1: were like, people like, what's that. I'm like, that's my pager.
Speaker 1: A pager, it's a pager. Is that funny? Hell, there
Speaker 1: was a point time we're the most embarrassing bullshit. Now.
Speaker 1: Back then was like social status points. It's like you've
Speaker 1: got a pager. Oh yeah, yeah, I need to be reachable.
Speaker 1: And then I had my motor roll of brick, which
Speaker 1: was about as big as a bloody VHS player that
Speaker 1: I carried around like some kind of status symbol.
Speaker 2: No wonder, you've got such big guns. Those things were heavy.
Speaker 1: Well, I remember when they I think I was one
Speaker 1: of the well, I was one of the first people
Speaker 1: that I knew of anyway like that when that just
Speaker 1: come out, and I was training lots of people and
Speaker 1: had making lots of cash, remember cash, So I just
Speaker 1: went and bought one and it was I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but it was ridiculous. I think it was like four grand.
Speaker 1: It was so expensive, and it had a big rubber
Speaker 1: aerial yep and it was literally about, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: twenty I've like eight nine inches long, and it was
Speaker 1: big and gray, and it was two dollars thirty a
Speaker 1: minute or something to talk. It was fucking outrageous.
Speaker 2: And you know what, you know what one of the
Speaker 2: telcoasts was doing. I won't mention which one, but what
Speaker 2: they used to do. No, no, no, the telco provided
Speaker 2: Telstra at Wellster Telecom. At the time, they were charging
Speaker 2: people who to receive the call.
Speaker 1: Do you remember, yes, yes, yes, I remember.
Speaker 2: So if Craig called you, it's like, fuck off, don't
Speaker 2: call me, it's costing.
Speaker 1: Me exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Can you believe they did that? See if when someone
Speaker 2: called you can not only were you paying per minute,
Speaker 2: they were paying for the benefit of hearing from you.
Speaker 1: I remember when I went, I actually feel like I've
Speaker 1: said this once on this show. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: I went to the States in nine. The first time
Speaker 1: I went to the States was with my friend Greg,
Speaker 1: and I was going out with a girl at the
Speaker 1: time that one time, and I rang her about I
Speaker 1: don't know, not many times, about five times over two
Speaker 1: weeks for about three or four minutes a call, and
Speaker 1: then we left the hotel we're at and I think
Speaker 1: the bill was something like five hundred and thirty dollars,
Speaker 1: it was like, and then I got it was like
Speaker 1: twenty one dollars a minute or something doing an international
Speaker 1: call through a hotel room phone by the US like
Speaker 1: and for me, I did not have any dough Then
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, oh my god. Yeah. Crazy.
Speaker 2: The other thing that were doing I going to tell
Speaker 2: you this last one was texting. Because texts used to
Speaker 2: be expensive. They would charge say twelve cents a text.
Speaker 2: But the reality of it is they when there was
Speaker 2: a I don't know if was you know, a study
Speaker 2: or not even a study, like the government looked at
Speaker 2: what telcos were charging and it ended up they were
Speaker 2: only it only cost them point zero something since per text,
Speaker 2: but they were charging twelve cents a text it was
Speaker 2: the biggest scam ever. People were just being absolutely you know,
Speaker 2: whipped with all these bills for making calls, sending texts,
Speaker 2: and the reality was that they just didn't cost that much.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this one. Let's make this the home
Speaker 1: straight give yourself the silent treatment, Patrick, What is that about?
Speaker 2: This has got to be one of the most interesting
Speaker 2: gadgets that I've heard of. And initially I thought of
Speaker 2: the Cone of Silence from Get Smart, which maybe a
Speaker 2: lot of our listeners will remember. Do you remember the
Speaker 2: cone of Silence?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love the kind of silence, that plastic thing
Speaker 1: that came like bumpily down from the roof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one. Now, this is some research that's
Speaker 2: been done. This is really really clever stuff because I
Speaker 2: know you are a big fan of your noise canceling headphones.
Speaker 2: And the good thing about noise canceling what it can
Speaker 2: do is it allows you to get rid of repetitive
Speaker 2: noise in the area. So it might be if you're
Speaker 2: on a train, you don't hear the engine noise, if
Speaker 2: you happen to be on a plane, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: But one of the challenges for people as they get
Speaker 2: older is your hearing not only gets reduced, but certain
Speaker 2: frequencies also are cut out as well. And if you
Speaker 2: think of going to a cafe with a group of people,
Speaker 2: it can be really problematic to try to hear with
Speaker 2: all the background noise going on. So this silent treatment,
Speaker 2: basically it's using noise canceling technology. But what they're trying
Speaker 2: to do, and what they've managed to try, is to
Speaker 2: create a basic sound bubble around you of say two meters.
Speaker 2: So what it is is you put these little ear
Speaker 2: park plugs in with the people who are sitting there
Speaker 2: around you, and everything that happens within that two meter
Speaker 2: bubble you can hear clearly. Everything outside of the two
Speaker 2: met bubble is noise canceled.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw a video on this with exactly what
Speaker 1: you're talking about, people at a table chatting yep. That
Speaker 1: I'm I think is that real or is that just conceptual?
Speaker 2: It's concept, but it's it's functional concept. So they've main
Speaker 2: managed to make it happen. It's just a way of
Speaker 2: now being able to implement it. But you know, this
Speaker 2: noise canceling technology has been around for a long time.
Speaker 2: I mean I remember seeing it on the Curiosity show
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, the whole idea of negative soundweight.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that show, The Curiosity?
Speaker 1: I remember that, I remember that show. What was that show?
Speaker 1: With all our older listeners that are Oh fuck, that
Speaker 1: was the day of the Curiosity Show? Do you remember that? Brian? Oh,
Speaker 1: what a great show. What about Professor Julius sum Namilla
Speaker 1: Do you remember him? Oh?
Speaker 2: He did the Cadbury Ads. Didn't he a glass and
Speaker 2: a half? A full tream dairy mount?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he used to have I forget the name of
Speaker 1: his show, but he also had There used to be
Speaker 1: a lot of shows for kids that were kind of
Speaker 1: remember that show It's academic?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it rings a bell yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There was a bunch of shows which is about,
Speaker 1: you know, kids using their brain to solve problems. Essentially,
Speaker 1: we need we need those back.
Speaker 2: What are you're not a fan of reality TV?
Speaker 1: It depends what it is in general terms, Not really,
Speaker 1: that depends what it is. What's your favorite all time
Speaker 1: reality show? Patrick? And you tif too, what it like?
Speaker 1: Do you watch any of it?
Speaker 2: No? I haven't watched television for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Craig go, Oh that's right, that's right. I've never I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever watched. I don't think I've ever watched.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's something I have, but all those things, like
Speaker 1: the closest thing I've watched, like in the irony is
Speaker 1: that reality TV is completely scriptured and manufactured most of it, right,
Speaker 1: Probably the one that's the least scripted is that show
Speaker 1: Alone where they just chuck people in the wilderness. Right,
Speaker 1: and you probably have seen that. Well you haven't seen that, Patrick,
Speaker 1: but even my friend who films it. No, they do.
Speaker 2: Oh they film themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, so they are a lot No,
Speaker 1: there's no no, there's no camera crew. They have to
Speaker 1: film themselves. So they have multiple cameras, they wear a
Speaker 1: camera on their head, they talk all the time. They
Speaker 1: get they get kind of equipped and they'll have like
Speaker 1: a outside the shelter that they build, they'll put a
Speaker 1: camera on a tree that has a wide lens that
Speaker 1: will catch a lot of there's yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's true. They're in the middle of nowhere, and it's
Speaker 1: it's I mean, these people lose like some of them
Speaker 1: lose like fifty pounds in six weeks and near death
Speaker 1: and they have to get medically extracted from wherever, like
Speaker 1: they just they pull the pin on them. Some of
Speaker 1: them nearly kill themselves to because it's a million dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see, that's the reason they do it, Because
Speaker 2: I think it's just voyeurism to the extreme. Isn't it
Speaker 2: like we've like curiously living through their lives?
Speaker 1: I guess so. I mean I find people who really,
Speaker 1: I mean, genuinely explore the outer limits of their potential.
Speaker 1: But there's a fine line between, you know, toughness and craziness,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's intertwined. But even things like The Block.
Speaker 1: I mean Bianca Chapfield, who's a friend of a friend
Speaker 1: of mine and a friend of the show she's she
Speaker 1: was on The Block, and I watched a little bit
Speaker 1: of that, but I'm like, I can't.
Speaker 3: Fuck.
Speaker 1: It does my head in. It's because it ends up
Speaker 1: not being about the building, but the bitching, you know,
Speaker 1: the relationships and the you know, Donna and Brian are
Speaker 1: not on talking terms anymore, and you know whatever, I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: and how can we look at the houses that they're building?
Speaker 1: But TIV, do you have a favorite one?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I don't watch any of them, but isn't what about
Speaker 3: that one that I also haven't really watched like goggle Box,
Speaker 3: where you watch people watching people on TV. You're watching
Speaker 3: people watch TV.
Speaker 1: When I first saw that, I'm like, this is the
Speaker 1: dumbest shit of all time. There's people like there's a
Speaker 1: TV show of people watching TV shows. This is never
Speaker 1: going to take off. And I don't know if that
Speaker 1: speaks positively to the Australian TV viewing audience. And I
Speaker 1: know some people listening now like you haven't watched it's
Speaker 1: fucking brilliant. I don't know. Imagine sitting in your lounge
Speaker 1: on a couch and there's a TV camera pointing at
Speaker 1: you as you watch television. What is your thought of that?
Speaker 1: And then who gave it the green light? But who
Speaker 1: was clever enough to know it's going to be a
Speaker 1: fucking ratings juggernaut? What do you know? What do I know?
Speaker 1: I mean that's the other thing. These things obviously work
Speaker 1: commercially or they wouldn't exist, So what the fuck do
Speaker 1: we know?
Speaker 2: It's funny when you think about live TV and then
Speaker 2: you think about really well crafted TV shows. There's a
Speaker 2: series I started rewatching called Glitch on the ABC. Did
Speaker 2: you ever see that? No good Australia. I think it
Speaker 2: was shot around Castle, Maine as well. It was kind
Speaker 2: of local in Country Victoria, and effectively it happens overnight there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It starts off at a grave at a cemetery and
Speaker 2: suddenly people are coming out of the graves and they
Speaker 2: don't realize they're coming out of their grave and they've
Speaker 2: just come back to life. And it's a whole story
Speaker 2: of what's happening in this town with may. I think
Speaker 2: it's maybe five or six people who come back to life,
Speaker 2: and one guy was in the First World War. Another
Speaker 2: person only died a few years earlier.
Speaker 1: I actually think I did watch an episode of that.
Speaker 1: Is that Australian or American?
Speaker 2: Australian Now it's an Australian series called Glitch and me
Speaker 2: the shame because I've written two pilot TV series so
Speaker 2: and spent like six six months eight months just writing
Speaker 2: script for a pilot and the closest we got was,
Speaker 2: you know, the program director at Channel seven showing an
Speaker 2: interest in this script. But pretty well crafted television. Whatever
Speaker 2: the series happens to me, yeah, yeah, it kind of
Speaker 2: rause me the wrong way when you know, when you
Speaker 2: talk about a TV show looking at people watching a
Speaker 2: TV show. I just said, Man, I sweated over these
Speaker 2: two scripts over the years, and you know, and got
Speaker 2: my hopes up and thought, this is great, this is
Speaker 2: going to be fantastic, and to write a TV series
Speaker 2: and then you know, you look at reality TV. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's why I start watching TV twenty years.
Speaker 1: Do you know what that reminded? How dumb that is?
Speaker 1: You know what? It reminds me of a fifty seven
Speaker 1: year old man in his lunde room with a fucking
Speaker 1: pretend saber cutting pretend boxers in half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to do it?
Speaker 1: Oh the irony? Patrick? How do people connect with you
Speaker 1: and find you?
Speaker 2: I want to connect with me, seriously?
Speaker 1: Who would well after today? Probably nobody, But on the
Speaker 1: off chance that there is some broken specimen out there
Speaker 1: who wants to in our real job.
Speaker 2: You know, luckily I have staff.
Speaker 1: Don't try and get some credibility now, don't try and
Speaker 1: talk yourself up.
Speaker 2: Shut up websites, NOOW, dot com dot au and we
Speaker 2: can talk about VR. Come over to my place and
Speaker 2: I'll put a set on you and we can play beatsaper.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it because I'll probably like it.
Speaker 2: You will. I guarantee you you like it. Tiff would
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: I can't like Thanks Patrick, Thanks Tiff,