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Speaker 1: Oh, get a team. Welcome to another installment of the

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Speaker 1: new project. Tiffany and Cook and Patrick, who's sitting somewhere

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Speaker 1: in perspective of the lunar landscape. He seems to be

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Speaker 1: hovering somewhere in a far away galaxy. TIF. Is there

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Speaker 1: any way that you can take a photo of that

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Speaker 1: to put it in the group? I don't know. Is

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Speaker 1: that possible a screenshot? Could you? Because it's I love

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Speaker 1: I love that that's not a virtual backdrop. That's a

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Speaker 1: physical backdrop that looks amazing. Hi, Patrick, Hey, crego a,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I got there first.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. I'm I'm a little bit tired.

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Like tiff was saying she'd had a little

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Speaker 1: nana and app earlier. I've had to meet someone this

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Speaker 1: morning at six thirty. I did a workshop last night

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Speaker 1: till stupid o'clock with a whole bunch of people. I

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Speaker 1: did a workshop the night before online also, you know,

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Speaker 1: first world problems. I'm very lucky, very blessed, fortunate all that,

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Speaker 1: but a little tired. And I've got a big meeting

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Speaker 1: tonight with my senior academic supervisor, who's a smarty pants,

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Speaker 1: and so I always get a little bit anxious because

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Speaker 1: I'm not a smarty pants, and I worry about what

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Speaker 1: he's going to ask me. So I'll just do thirteen

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Speaker 1: poos today and that'll happen at seven o'clock. And that's

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Speaker 1: just my body getting ready. You know, you're welcome, You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Does your body really do that when you're nervous?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Sometimes sometimes there might be a little bit of

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Speaker 1: additional you know, bathroom work. Everybody's gone. The people who

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Speaker 1: are brand new to this show are going, what the

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Speaker 1: actual fuck? And all the old listeners are like, yep,

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Speaker 1: that's jumbo. There you goes to do it? Talking about

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Speaker 1: bodily functions.

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Speaker 3: Apparently that's a thing. I think it's a boy thing,

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Speaker 3: is it? It must be a boy thing. I remember

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Speaker 3: years ago one of my boyfriends he raced motorbikes, and

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Speaker 3: I went to that day and I remember him saying

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Speaker 3: that the bathroom always stunk because of all the nerves.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean us everyone goes for

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Speaker 3: a nervous.

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Speaker 1: Pooh, it's it's it's real, it's real. There's a physiological

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Speaker 1: consequence of anxiety, and sometimes that's to you know, release

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Speaker 1: the chucky hostage. You know what? No, you know, I.

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Speaker 2: Was training at your gym one day, the plainer that

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Speaker 2: I would train with Andrew, he'd suddenly at nine o'clock

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Speaker 2: say I'm going to take the kids to the pool.

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Speaker 1: No, drop the kids off at the pool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. And it's like, for for weeks,

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Speaker 2: I thought he had kids. Regular didn't say it every time,

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Speaker 2: you know, to finish a training session, and I just

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Speaker 1: And yeah, brings a new perspective to the term log on,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it. You know, you're welcome, You're welcome. There's a

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Speaker 1: computer term for you. You guys were talking when I came

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Speaker 1: on late, as I always do. Well, No, I'm on time.

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Speaker 1: You guys are always I feel like you guys turn

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Speaker 1: you both look at me like fucking meerkats. Then I

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Speaker 1: was talking about were you talking about something about bone earphones? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bone conducting headphones.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, you don't put the headphones. I mean, Tiff got

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Speaker 2: us onto this in the first place, but I forget

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Speaker 2: rather than putting the headphones in your ear, they sit

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Speaker 2: around your ear and they're pressed up against you, I

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Speaker 2: and it's and it conducts through the bone into your

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Speaker 2: It's really good because I mean, the quality isn't as

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Speaker 2: good as really good over ear headphones, so you're not

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Speaker 2: going to be listening to high fidelity music. But what

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Speaker 2: it's good for is if you're walking the dog, it

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Speaker 2: means you can hear traffic, you can hear other people,

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Speaker 2: and it's a lot safer I think if you're riding

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Speaker 2: what you got them for, though, Tift, didn't you for

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Speaker 3: For riding a pushbike?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've never heard of them.

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Speaker 1: Who invented that? Who figures that out? That if we

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Speaker 1: stick this, we stick this on your jaw.

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Speaker 2: Well, this go around your ears.

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Speaker 1: They work around Patrick's demonstrating now, which is probably not

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Speaker 2: You could describe what you're seeing th right.

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Speaker 1: So they go around your ear and then the actual

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Speaker 1: speaker bit is like at the top of your mandible.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yeah, I don't know about I know about

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Speaker 1: human anatomy. I don't know about insect anatomy and proboscis.

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Speaker 1: I've got a fucking proboscos. Don't worry about that, Jesus. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: when it was raining in the Hampton, it was torrential.

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Speaker 1: is important. That is important. T If what are those

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Speaker 1: headphones slash mandible phones called? If people want to look

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Speaker 3: Bro? The best known brand is by a company called

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Speaker 3: Shocks s h O K S.

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Speaker 2: I believe shock Shocks.

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Speaker 3: They're really good.

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Speaker 1: How much are they couple hundred bucks?

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Speaker 1: Patrick, you probably you probably know the answer to this,

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Speaker 1: but I I want a filter. Okay. So I've had

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Speaker 1: to do more videos lately for a range of reasons,

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Speaker 1: which is essentially that he harps just talking at his phone.

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Speaker 1: Now you might not have realized this, but I'm sixty

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Speaker 1: one and apparently I'm not handsome anymore. So when I

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Speaker 1: see the video, do you know, you know, like when

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Speaker 1: I see myself on this on Zoom, there's a bit

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Speaker 1: look not terrible, right, not terrible, not great, not terrible.

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Speaker 1: But then when I look at the raw unfiltered, very

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Speaker 1: very very clear iPhone fucking four D high def whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, fuck, it's hideous. So Patrick, my question is,

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Speaker 1: do this in my phone? What do you got your

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I just want to.

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Speaker 1: Be less offensive to the people that have to look

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Speaker 2: Isn't that what they used to do in the old days?

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Speaker 1: Well I might have to No, all right, I'm not sad.

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Speaker 2: Phones do have filters on them, Like there are filters

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Speaker 2: you can put on them. I mean, when you're doing

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Speaker 2: zoom meeting. There are features within the Zoom settings that

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Speaker 2: allow you to soften the features.

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Speaker 1: Well I know that because I'm using it right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying when I just want to record something on

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Speaker 1: my iPhone. Whatever it is, is there a similar tiff?

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Speaker 1: You probably know better than him. I feel like he's

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Speaker 3: I don't use the iPhone either, but Android definitely has

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's already got it the features in iPhone, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to operationalize it.

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Speaker 3: He's an interesting fact someone was talking about this morning.

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Speaker 3: Facebook is planning to remove certain filter features from their

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Speaker 3: app because people are getting too obsessed with exactly what

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Speaker 3: you're talking about. I don't know much of the details

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Speaker 2: Yeah, TikTok's actually going to block teenagers from beauty filters.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to be beautiful. I just want

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Speaker 2: Craig as your counselor, I think it's important for you

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Speaker 2: to embrace aging. Is that it happens.

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Speaker 3: Practice where you stand in front of a mirror and

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Speaker 3: you just say I love you. Tis food off your

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Speaker 1: Yeah I'm massive. Yeah, here's my affirmation. You're a fucking idiot.

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Speaker 1: They're my affirmations, you know. Can I just say my

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Speaker 1: affirmations are do better? That's what I tell myself.

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Speaker 2: As somebody who shaves their head every second day because

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Speaker 2: I started losing my hair in my late twenties, which

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Speaker 2: I went to the same hairdresser and he did stuff

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Speaker 2: And I thought, oh shit. You know that's a big thing,

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Speaker 2: I said, okay, I will, and luckily I have a

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Speaker 2: me and she said, oh, you look like a criminal.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. If you look you're the probably the

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Speaker 2: think of blokes who shave their head? Is that? Is

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Speaker 2: that anything? You know? Do you think that it doesn't

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Speaker 3: Maybe? I guess because you're not getting the gray hair.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's interesting. I've never really thought about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just guess what I'm doing after, Yes, what

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Speaker 1: I'm doing next? No, it's see your locks.

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Speaker 2: But I think what you need to do, Craigo is

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Speaker 2: embrace craigo. You know, do some fows of yourself the mirror.

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Speaker 2: You know, you kiss the mirror a bit.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's enough now, I see on your list

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Speaker 1: of talking points today, we actually chatted about the Granny

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Speaker 1: one with David Gillespie, but I would like to hear

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Speaker 1: your take on it anyway. Did you just explain it?

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Speaker 2: Did I like you the Granny?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Grannie.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, that anti scammer Grannie that was created to

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Speaker 1: keep scammers bloody caught up online so they can't. But

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Speaker 1: I'm sure not everyone heard that what was your what

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Speaker 1: did you think about it? What was your or just

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Speaker 1: for those who didn't hear, just explain what it was

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Speaker 1: and then your take.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So obviously phone scams are a real problem and it

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Speaker 2: tends to be older people who fall victim to that.

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Speaker 2: And a UK based tech company or like a mobile

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Speaker 2: phone company run by Virgin called Virgin Media ROH two,

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Speaker 2: they've built this AI generated I guess it's called a

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Speaker 2: scram Beta and what it does is it's just designed

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Speaker 2: solely to stall scammers. So they pick up on numbers

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Speaker 2: that the scammers must have a way to kind of

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Speaker 2: be on a closed Facebook support group and that might

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Speaker 2: have autism, or they could be part of the LGBT community,

436
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: and they find a perent and alone and this is

437
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: their one way to interact with people in a private

438
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Speaker 2: way that they feel like they've got a sense of

439
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 2: community online. And that is the sense for people, you know.

440
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Speaker 1: If you're perfect example, perfect example, I mean that's where

441
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Speaker 1: for some people, depending on And yes, it's like I

442
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: always say, with most things, it's not the thing that's

443
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: the problem. It's the dose. Yeah, it's the dose. You know,

444
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: like as bro clear maybe good one or two, but

445
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: thirty five not good. You know, a bit of cake fine,

446
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: seven cakes not fine? You know, two leaders of water good,

447
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: thirteen leaders of water bad. You know, like training in

448
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: the gym an hour a day good, training nine hours

449
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: a day bad. You know, it's like it depends on

450
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Speaker 1: the way that that whatever it is, that resource like

451
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: a gym's a resource, food is a resource. The internet

452
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: is a resource. It depends how we use it. And

453
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Speaker 1: I just feel like we're not teaching kids to navigate

454
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Speaker 1: the messiness of life. Hey, kids, life's unfair. There's going

455
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Speaker 1: to be there are things out there that are going

456
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Speaker 1: to try and fuck you over because it's in people's

457
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Speaker 1: commercial interest to get you addicted. So let's just teach

458
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Speaker 1: you about the dangers of technology addiction. Let's talk to

459
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Speaker 1: you about I don't know, it's just seems like there's

460
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Speaker 1: an opportunity there to help kids become I don't know,

461
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Speaker 1: more mature and more And I know there's a genetic

462
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: and a physiological component and brain development component, but you know,

463
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of kids in the world that

464
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Speaker 1: are navigating a lot, a lot harder shit than bloody

465
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Speaker 1: This stuff steps down our soapbox.

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Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, there you go, And all right, when's the sermon. No,

467
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: you're right, and we're not going to solve it in

468
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 2: forty five minutes. It's very detailed, long complicated, and parents

469
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: need to be a part of the process as well.

470
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Speaker 2: Responsible adults around kids who are using social media, because

471
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Speaker 2: when you go to the supermarket and you see a

472
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Speaker 2: three year old with an iPhone because it's a way

473
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Speaker 2: to distract them while mum's doing the shopping. You know,

474
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Speaker 2: that's the beginning of that connection with the screen.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it cheapest babysitter in the world, One of my

476
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: friends says, cheapest babysitter ever. I'll tell us about it.

477
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Speaker 2: Let's tell you one more little thing. I was reading

478
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: an article recently talking about breastfeeding mothers who are on

479
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: their phones can actually cause problems for toddlers because they're

480
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Speaker 2: not looking at the kid while they're breastfeeding. Yes, yeah,

481
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: that so not making eye contact, not having that direct

482
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: maternal connection with the child because there's a phone in

483
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Speaker 2: the way away. I thought i'd throw that went in. Sorry,

484
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: you're going to ask me something else.

485
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask about the sad announcement

486
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: email that implies your friend has done that SAPs dodgy. Ah.

487
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: There's so many scams going around at the moment, and

488
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: they're getting so easy to be fooled. You know, the

489
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: reality of it is what they're doing now is you

490
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 2: get an email and titled a sad announcement, so it's

491
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: inferring that someone close to you has passed away, and

492
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: they're trying to use triggers that will get people to click.

493
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: You know, you might like to see the last photo

494
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 2: that was taken of and they name the person, so

495
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: you get an email from TIFF's email. It's like, I

496
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: can't this is terrible to tell you that something's happened

497
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: to Tiff. This is the last photo we took of her.

498
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: It's like, what the you know what I mean like this?

499
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 2: This is awful that you know, people are looking to

500
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: scam in the every possible trigger that can be used,

501
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: and this is just another one. You know, little things

502
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: like I'm presuming you should remember these two ladies in

503
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: that photo. You know, when I was looking through some

504
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 2: old fold as I found these picks. You know, it

505
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: wasn't initially my plan, but I had to change my

506
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: mind about it. Just little clever mechanisms try to get

507
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: you to do that fatal click that then leads you

508
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 2: down that hacking rabbit hole. It's it's so distressing that

509
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: people are using this sort of leverage.

510
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: Have you seen the one that's doing the rounds of

511
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: Simon cow You know that America's got talent. Dude, the

512
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: judge he owns I think he actually owns the whole thing.

513
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: So there's this picture of Simon Cow and it's like

514
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: got candles around us, and it's in loving memory, and

515
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: it's like he's died, and it's like there's a picture

516
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: of him and his birth date to his death date

517
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: in vert commas. I'm like, and it just came up

518
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: on my phone. I'm like, Simon Cow's did, how the

519
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: fuck is what? And I very nearly clicked on it

520
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: to open it up to read the story, and then

521
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: I went, pretty sure it's not dead, and then this

522
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: kind of looks real, but I doubt it. And then

523
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: so I just went in and I went, is there

524
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: a Simon Cow scam? And it's like, yes, don't open this,

525
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: don't you know. That's the good thing, I guess, or

526
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: one of the good things about the Internet is that

527
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 1: people are going to go and tell the world when

528
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Speaker 1: they get scammed.

529
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, if you've got an iPhone, a mac,

530
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: an iPad, you happen to be an Apple user. One

531
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: of the other recent things is that your Apple ID

532
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: has been suspended. Now, this is a tough one for

533
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: people because if you were to make purchases online, you

534
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: need your Apple ID quite often to log into the

535
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: device if you're using your iPhone to make a purchase

536
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: or whatever it happens to be. So again another trigger

537
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: point and they're over to hang on, hang.

538
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: On, are you saying the scam is they're telling you

539
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: it's been suspended or no? No, no, that's when you said that.

540
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: You just said the bad news is You're I'm like, fuck,

541
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: has it exactly? You nearly scammed me? So right, so right,

542
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: so it hasn't really been. But that's the story. Chick

543
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: your email, Craig, your account.

544
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: Might have been suspended. Let me just get that email

545
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: out natif that was an easy con.

546
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: If I click on that, and that's you want a

547
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: fucking bare skin rug, I'm out.

548
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: Dear hey, yeah, so what they're doing so it's it's

549
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: an ID, the Apple I D suspension thing. It's one

550
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: thing that Apple people are in fear of because you

551
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: can't do a lot without logging into your Apple I D.

552
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: So particularly now we've got all those big sales on

553
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: at the moment, you know, the Black Friday stuff, and

554
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: two billion people are active Apple users. So whether as

555
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: you know an iPad, you know an iPhone, So there's

556
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: a lot of people in that ecosystem. It's really funny

557
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: that I'm going to tell you this little side story.

558
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Apple used to have this great ad and it said

559
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: Apple computers don't get PC viruses. It's like, of course

560
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: they don't get PC viruses, they get Apple viruses. I mean,

561
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: because it makes sense. If you're going to put a

562
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: virus out there, you're going to send it to the

563
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: majority of people who happened to be on PC. But

564
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: it was a really clever marketing trick to infer that

565
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: you wouldn't get a virus if you had an Apple device.

566
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: But with two billion users out there, yes, you now

567
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: are ripe as a target four scammers, and this just

568
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 2: happens to be one of the latest scams that's hitting

569
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: the Apple ecosystem specifically.

570
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: Excuse my aggnorance, but an Apple laptop is still a PC.

571
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: Right, No, No, it's a Mac. It runs Mac operating.

572
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: Doesn't PC stand for personal computer?

573
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: It does? But Apples aren't personal computers?

574
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Well what are they? Impersonal max? That's bullshit, that's fucking bullshit.

575
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: It's a computer and it's yours. It's you fucking Apple tops.

576
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: It's so fucking up yourselves. It's like a cult. Apple's

577
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: a cult. Fuck your cult?

578
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: Can you say? I just asked Gemini the Google AI. Yes,

579
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: technically Apple is a personal computer.

580
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, the end, the end, the end.

581
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: Yes, a PC is a general term for a personal computer,

582
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: and MAC is a specific brand of a PC made

583
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: by exactly exactly.

584
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: That's why all kleenex are still tissues but not moving

585
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: the deck chairs.

586
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: PC's typically run Windows, whereas max run on the mac os.

587
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but to my question, is it still a personal computer? Yes,

588
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: well that's a PC in a technical term. Stop trying

589
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: to be right? Will you just swallow your big Apple

590
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: ego and just fucking move on?

591
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: Oh?

592
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: Dear, tell us a house. Tell us. By the way,

593
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: everyone who's like, is that real? Do they really? No?

594
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: We don't hate each other. This is how we talk.

595
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: I love him. He's wrong, but I love him. Tell

596
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: me about I've always wondered about this virtual like VR

597
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: headsets for people who are using them for fitness purposes,

598
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: so for workouts.

599
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you saw this story. It's kind of funny.

600
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: I do use my VR headset for lots of stuff.

601
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: And there's a game that I really love to play

602
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: called Beat Saber and by the end of the game,

603
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: you've built up quite a sweat. Now that's a problem

604
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: because they've picked up an issue with the Metaquest three,

605
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: which is the top of the range meta headset, and

606
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: it's causing problems because when people get super sweaty, the

607
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: sweat is seeping into the electronics and so Meta actually

608
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: replacing the devices, which is great. They're actually allowing that

609
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: people can send them in and get them replaced, but

610
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like there's a permanent solution for them yet.

611
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: So it just seems like for those extra sweaty people,

612
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: this can be a problem. So you know, take the

613
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: headset off, get your tissues out.

614
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: What's the game that you play? What's it called again?

615
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: I beat Saber?

616
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: Okay, Shocker Shocker? Tell our listeners what that is.

617
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: If you imagine you're standing in a day.

618
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: Before you tell us, can you just remind us how

619
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: old you are again.

620
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm fifty seven years old.

621
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: That I never sorry, go on answer the question.

622
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: Thank you call me Peter. Yeah, and I do believe

623
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: in fairies. So anyway, what you're doing is you're standing

624
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: on a platform with two effectively light sabers and two

625
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: different colors. So you can imagine you got a blue

626
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: lightsaber and a red.

627
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: Lights and TIFF's losing her ship.

628
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: And when she comes over, I'm going to make her

629
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: play this and use a song, and you choose a

630
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: level of difficulty and these cubes come flying at you

631
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 2: and listen to the beat of the music. It shouldn't YouTube,

632
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: but it's great to the beat of the music. And

633
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: what you've got to do is you've got to swipe

634
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: down and slice the cube by swiping down or up

635
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: into the side, and you do it all in time

636
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: to music. So it's very much based on coordination and

637
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 2: movement to be able to continue to get through the song,

638
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: and as you get better at it, it's really quite

639
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: interesting the way your brain is able.

640
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: What you know, Can I just say, oh God, there's

641
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: something so funny I want to say, but I can't

642
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: because I can't, But I can I just point out

643
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: that no I can't. I'll get in trouble. Fuck who

644
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: knew I had a filter. Everyone's going to send me

645
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: an e mail now going what were you going to say?

646
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: What were you going to say?

647
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: We want to know It's it just seems like the

648
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: gayest game I've ever heard of. And that's because you're gay.

649
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: And it's okay. I love you and I love all

650
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: my gay friends, but I can't what really, all.

651
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: The Beat Saber people out there, it's okay. You don't

652
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: have to be part of the Rainbow Flag generation to

653
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: play Beat Saber. Really, it's good.

654
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to come up and fucking love it.

655
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: You will love it, I guarantee, and then and then

656
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: I'll be out loud and proud, just on's my saber.

657
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: You will now. Look, you know, the other fascinating thing

658
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: is and I know I'm going down a rabbit hole here.

659
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: When you get to a certain level of difficulty, when

660
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: you first play it, you're really unco you know.

661
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: Look at Tiff Space. Can I just interrupt TIF? What

662
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: are you looking at?

663
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 3: I'm watching Beat Saber on YouTube as we speak.

664
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: What do you think? Tip doesn't look cool?

665
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to visualize how this has become a thing.

666
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 3: That is.

667
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: But if you think of fun for you playing this

668
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: to your or Queen song or something new Lady Gaga,

669
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what song you're listening to.

670
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: Again, rest my case, Queen and Lady Gaga. Is there

671
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: any midnight.

672
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: Oil floating around Jim Lincoln Park, Imagine the Wons. There

673
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: are two of my other albums that I've got on there,

674
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: but you know what, here's one that you might be

675
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: able to put some insight into. When I first started playing,

676
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 2: it was hard to play. But as you get better

677
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: and better, you go to a high level of skill.

678
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: But I got to a point where I couldn't concentrate

679
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: on both hands at the same time because the blocks

680
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: were moving toward me so quickly, So I only focus

681
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: on one hand by say my right hand. Now my

682
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: brain is still taking care of the left hand side.

683
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: So when you think about playing a game, say you

684
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: were playing a sport where you're using both arms at

685
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: the same time, you need to be cognitively aware of

686
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: what both arms are doing. But I've got to a

687
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: point in the game where I only concentrate on one

688
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: side and the other side of my brain or the

689
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: other side of my brain that's controlling my other hand

690
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: is just doing it without me thinking about it. So

691
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: visually I'm seeing it. I know that I have to

692
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: swipe And am I even making sense to you?

693
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: So you're telling me.

694
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 3: Jim in wherever that place you live is the land? Yeah,

695
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: just go to the land boxing gym and now up

696
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: a new sport.

697
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah something where yeah, something where you're hitting actual things.

698
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 2: If no one needs me back when I played beats saber,

699
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: that's hilarious.

700
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: Tell us about gadgets that only millennials will remember. Look

701
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: when you think from the nineties, is it?

702
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll think about the stuff that we I mean,

703
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: did you ever have a disc man or a walkman?

704
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: Sure? Did?

705
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

706
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: Sure?

707
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 2: Kids have no idea what they are.

708
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: That's because that's because they've got one million songs at

709
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: their fingertip.

710
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: But it's making a revival. The thing is cassettes. They're

711
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: making cassette players again. They're making the d players again

712
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: because kids want analog media, they want vinyl, they want CDs,

713
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: and now they want cassettes.

714
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: What do you think is like, what is the catalyst

715
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: for that?

716
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: Like?

717
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: Why would you want something that's not as good as

718
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: what they're currently is? Like from a use point, like

719
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: you what can you have ten songs on a cassette

720
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: and then you've got to record them? Then you've got

721
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: to stick it in and press play and put batteries

722
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: in it.

723
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: The mixtape? Remember the mixtape? Now, I wonder if it's

724
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: pushback against technology. I wonder if if they're I mean,

725
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: I we know young Chris who did the show for

726
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: me a little while ago. He he's into kiss and

727
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: he he's got vinyl. I brought him a record player

728
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: for his birthday. So he's fifteen and he's obsessed with

729
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: VINYLNT And that's great. The kids are doing that and

730
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: getting an interest. I mean, it's bloody expensive to go.

731
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: Have a look at what it costs for an album,

732
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: and they're not cheap. But I just thought that was

733
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: really interesting that that there is a pushback against tech

734
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: and there are kids who aren't. I mean, I've got

735
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old who works for me and he's

736
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: not on social media. It's like they don't want to

737
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: be on They certainly don't want to be on Facebook.

738
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: You know, don't get a young people that was so

739
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. You know, young people now they want

740
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: to be seen. They're not places where their grandparents hang out.

741
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: I've got something that I want to show you. It's

742
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: going to take me thirty seconds to get so I

743
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: want speaking of this. I'm going to go get it.

744
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: You two keep talking. I don't say anything bad because

745
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: I'll listen back timmy second.

746
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: It occurred to me, Tiff, did you hear the grandma

747
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: like AI grandma? Yeah?

748
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: And we played a little bit. Yeah.

749
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was really good, wasn't it. Yeah, because I

750
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: had it all cued up ready to play. Anyway, I

751
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: just want.

752
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: To go with the phone numbers that ring you and

753
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: then hang up if you answer.

754
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: Oh.

755
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: I think they just want to check to see if

756
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: there's actually a person who's going to answer the phone.

757
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: I get those from the same but a variation of

758
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: the same number. The last three yeah, zero, yeah, zero,

759
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: And I've blocked them all the time, and if I

760
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 3: ever accidentally answer, they hang up.

761
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: Well, what I tend to do now is unless the

762
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: number is in my list in my phone list, I

763
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: just let it go to a message bank, and if

764
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 2: they leave a message, I'll call them back. If they don't,

765
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: I won't. No, it is problematic, and I tend to

766
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: get them later in the afternoon. Do you get those No?

767
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: No, I don't pay attention.

768
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: So I'm back.

769
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well you should have heard.

770
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: So I was cleaning out a draw. I'm going to

771
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: just bring it up just the top of it and

772
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: see if you can guess game Boy.

773
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, oh my god, it is too. It's a green,

774
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: a bright green game Boy, isn't it?

775
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: And can you see what's in?

776
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: No? I can't see what game have you got on it?

777
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: I can't believe he's taking the piss out of me

778
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: for playing Beats Saber and he's got his green fluorescent

779
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: game Boy. Dude, that's pretty excellent. I can't quite see it.

780
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: It's too small. What game are you played?

781
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: So Tetris so I got, I've got my I've got

782
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: my game Boy color with Tetris so fucking good. And

783
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: I think this I think this bad boy is about

784
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: thirty years old.

785
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: Oh they're great. Game boys are fantastic.

786
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: And how game Boy? I don't know how much this

787
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: is worth? But no one's buying it. No, yeah, I

788
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: found it. I didn't. I was going to say the

789
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: other day. I found it a couple of months ago.

790
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: I was cleaning stuff up, and I'm like, I wonder

791
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: if this still works. I turned it on because the

792
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: batteries has got to be thirty years old. Bing wow, yeah, amazing.

793
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. See that's so, I'll.

794
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: Let you have a go of it. You're welcome.

795
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: Awesome, that'd be great Tetris is a laser discs? Did

796
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: you ever remember we had friends of ours that had

797
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: laser discs. Now, I'm not talking about CDs or Dvds're

798
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: talking about like laser dicks discs. Keeping cut that one out.

799
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: Laser dicks. Wow, that's going to be painful all round.

800
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: Laser discs for music.

801
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: No movies. They were big, yeah, yeah, not blu ray no, no, no, no, no, giant, big,

802
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: twelve inch enormous like a record like it was like

803
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 2: a vinyl, but it was a laser disc.

804
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: I remember ones that were size of a CD where

805
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: you could play movies.

806
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: Now, these these were these came out before the traditional

807
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: CDs and DVDs came out. The only problem was they

808
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: cost so much more than VHS tapes to make. They

809
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: were five times more expensive. I knew someone who had

810
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: like a whole collection of them, and they just didn't

811
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: take off so much. What did and it was more

812
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: than I was thinking of other gadgets that took off. PDAs.

813
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: Do you remember what a PDA was?

814
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: No, people?

815
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: Was it like a like a recorder or something that

816
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: was a personal digital assistant. So it had a calendar

817
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: in it and it had a pen. I think Hewlett

818
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: Packard made them, so it was green on it with

819
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: a little pen. Do you remember business people used to

820
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: have them?

821
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember, and they were like the size

822
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: of a pager, but a bit bigger or something.

823
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: Oh they were kind of like the size of a

824
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: more standard mobile phone, is now right right?

825
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: Did you ever have a pager? Oh? Yeah I did.

826
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 2: I did. I had one as a journalist, I had yep, yep,

827
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: that was.

828
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: I had a pager before I got my motor rolla brick.

829
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: I thought I was the ship, you know, and like

830
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: were like, people like, what's that. I'm like, that's my pager.

831
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: A pager, it's a pager. Is that funny? Hell, there

832
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 1: was a point time we're the most embarrassing bullshit. Now.

833
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: Back then was like social status points. It's like you've

834
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: got a pager. Oh yeah, yeah, I need to be reachable.

835
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: And then I had my motor roll of brick, which

836
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: was about as big as a bloody VHS player that

837
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: I carried around like some kind of status symbol.

838
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: No wonder, you've got such big guns. Those things were heavy.

839
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: Well, I remember when they I think I was one

840
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: of the well, I was one of the first people

841
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: that I knew of anyway like that when that just

842
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: come out, and I was training lots of people and

843
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: had making lots of cash, remember cash, So I just

844
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: went and bought one and it was I can't remember,

845
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: but it was ridiculous. I think it was like four grand.

846
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: It was so expensive, and it had a big rubber

847
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: aerial yep and it was literally about, oh, I don't know,

848
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: twenty I've like eight nine inches long, and it was

849
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: big and gray, and it was two dollars thirty a

850
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: minute or something to talk. It was fucking outrageous.

851
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: And you know what, you know what one of the

852
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: telcoasts was doing. I won't mention which one, but what

853
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: they used to do. No, no, no, the telco provided

854
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: Telstra at Wellster Telecom. At the time, they were charging

855
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: people who to receive the call.

856
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember, yes, yes, yes, I remember.

857
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: So if Craig called you, it's like, fuck off, don't

858
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: call me, it's costing.

859
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: Me exactly exactly.

860
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: Can you believe they did that? See if when someone

861
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: called you can not only were you paying per minute,

862
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: they were paying for the benefit of hearing from you.

863
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: I remember when I went, I actually feel like I've

864
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: said this once on this show. I'm not sure, but

865
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: I went to the States in nine. The first time

866
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: I went to the States was with my friend Greg,

867
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Speaker 1: and I was going out with a girl at the

868
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: time that one time, and I rang her about I

869
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: don't know, not many times, about five times over two

870
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: weeks for about three or four minutes a call, and

871
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: then we left the hotel we're at and I think

872
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: the bill was something like five hundred and thirty dollars,

873
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: it was like, and then I got it was like

874
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: twenty one dollars a minute or something doing an international

875
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: call through a hotel room phone by the US like

876
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: and for me, I did not have any dough Then

877
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, oh my god. Yeah. Crazy.

878
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: The other thing that were doing I going to tell

879
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: you this last one was texting. Because texts used to

880
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: be expensive. They would charge say twelve cents a text.

881
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: But the reality of it is they when there was

882
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: a I don't know if was you know, a study

883
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: or not even a study, like the government looked at

884
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: what telcos were charging and it ended up they were

885
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: only it only cost them point zero something since per text,

886
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: but they were charging twelve cents a text it was

887
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: the biggest scam ever. People were just being absolutely you know,

888
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: whipped with all these bills for making calls, sending texts,

889
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: and the reality was that they just didn't cost that much.

890
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this one. Let's make this the home

891
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: straight give yourself the silent treatment, Patrick, What is that about?

892
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: This has got to be one of the most interesting

893
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: gadgets that I've heard of. And initially I thought of

894
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: the Cone of Silence from Get Smart, which maybe a

895
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: lot of our listeners will remember. Do you remember the

896
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: cone of Silence?

897
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love the kind of silence, that plastic thing

898
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: that came like bumpily down from the roof.

899
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one. Now, this is some research that's

900
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: been done. This is really really clever stuff because I

901
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: know you are a big fan of your noise canceling headphones.

902
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: And the good thing about noise canceling what it can

903
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: do is it allows you to get rid of repetitive

904
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: noise in the area. So it might be if you're

905
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: on a train, you don't hear the engine noise, if

906
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: you happen to be on a plane, that sort of stuff.

907
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: But one of the challenges for people as they get

908
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: older is your hearing not only gets reduced, but certain

909
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: frequencies also are cut out as well. And if you

910
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 2: think of going to a cafe with a group of people,

911
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: it can be really problematic to try to hear with

912
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: all the background noise going on. So this silent treatment,

913
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: basically it's using noise canceling technology. But what they're trying

914
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: to do, and what they've managed to try, is to

915
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: create a basic sound bubble around you of say two meters.

916
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 2: So what it is is you put these little ear

917
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: park plugs in with the people who are sitting there

918
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: around you, and everything that happens within that two meter

919
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: bubble you can hear clearly. Everything outside of the two

920
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: met bubble is noise canceled.

921
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw a video on this with exactly what

922
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about, people at a table chatting yep. That

923
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: I'm I think is that real or is that just conceptual?

924
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: It's concept, but it's it's functional concept. So they've main

925
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: managed to make it happen. It's just a way of

926
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: now being able to implement it. But you know, this

927
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: noise canceling technology has been around for a long time.

928
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: I mean I remember seeing it on the Curiosity show

929
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, the whole idea of negative soundweight.

930
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: Do you remember that show, The Curiosity?

931
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: I remember that, I remember that show. What was that show?

932
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: With all our older listeners that are Oh fuck, that

933
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: was the day of the Curiosity Show? Do you remember that? Brian? Oh,

934
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: what a great show. What about Professor Julius sum Namilla

935
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: Do you remember him? Oh?

936
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: He did the Cadbury Ads. Didn't he a glass and

937
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: a half? A full tream dairy mount?

938
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he used to have I forget the name of

939
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: his show, but he also had There used to be

940
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: a lot of shows for kids that were kind of

941
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: remember that show It's academic?

942
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it rings a bell yep.

943
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. There was a bunch of shows which is about,

944
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, kids using their brain to solve problems. Essentially,

945
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: we need we need those back.

946
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: What are you're not a fan of reality TV?

947
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: It depends what it is in general terms, Not really,

948
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: that depends what it is. What's your favorite all time

949
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: reality show? Patrick? And you tif too, what it like?

950
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: Do you watch any of it?

951
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: No? I haven't watched television for twenty years.

952
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: Craig go, Oh that's right, that's right. I've never I

953
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever watched. I don't think I've ever watched.

954
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: Maybe there's something I have, but all those things, like

955
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: the closest thing I've watched, like in the irony is

956
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: that reality TV is completely scriptured and manufactured most of it, right,

957
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: Probably the one that's the least scripted is that show

958
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: Alone where they just chuck people in the wilderness. Right,

959
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: and you probably have seen that. Well you haven't seen that, Patrick,

960
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: but even my friend who films it. No, they do.

961
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: Oh they film themselves.

962
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, so they are a lot No,

963
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: there's no no, there's no camera crew. They have to

964
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: film themselves. So they have multiple cameras, they wear a

965
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: camera on their head, they talk all the time. They

966
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: get they get kind of equipped and they'll have like

967
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: a outside the shelter that they build, they'll put a

968
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: camera on a tree that has a wide lens that

969
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: will catch a lot of there's yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

970
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: it's true. They're in the middle of nowhere, and it's

971
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: it's I mean, these people lose like some of them

972
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: lose like fifty pounds in six weeks and near death

973
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: and they have to get medically extracted from wherever, like

974
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: they just they pull the pin on them. Some of

975
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: them nearly kill themselves to because it's a million dollars.

976
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I see, that's the reason they do it, Because

977
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: I think it's just voyeurism to the extreme. Isn't it

978
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: like we've like curiously living through their lives?

979
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: I guess so. I mean I find people who really,

980
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean, genuinely explore the outer limits of their potential.

981
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: But there's a fine line between, you know, toughness and craziness,

982
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's intertwined. But even things like The Block.

983
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean Bianca Chapfield, who's a friend of a friend

984
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: of mine and a friend of the show she's she

985
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: was on The Block, and I watched a little bit

986
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: of that, but I'm like, I can't.

987
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 3: Fuck.

988
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: It does my head in. It's because it ends up

989
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: not being about the building, but the bitching, you know,

990
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: the relationships and the you know, Donna and Brian are

991
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: not on talking terms anymore, and you know whatever, I'm like, fuck,

992
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: and how can we look at the houses that they're building?

993
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: But TIV, do you have a favorite one?

994
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: No?

995
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: I don't watch any of them, but isn't what about

996
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: that one that I also haven't really watched like goggle Box,

997
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 3: where you watch people watching people on TV. You're watching

998
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: people watch TV.

999
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: When I first saw that, I'm like, this is the

1000
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: dumbest shit of all time. There's people like there's a

1001
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,479
Speaker 1: TV show of people watching TV shows. This is never

1002
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: going to take off. And I don't know if that

1003
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: speaks positively to the Australian TV viewing audience. And I

1004
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: know some people listening now like you haven't watched it's

1005
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: fucking brilliant. I don't know. Imagine sitting in your lounge

1006
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: on a couch and there's a TV camera pointing at

1007
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: you as you watch television. What is your thought of that?

1008
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: And then who gave it the green light? But who

1009
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: was clever enough to know it's going to be a

1010
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: fucking ratings juggernaut? What do you know? What do I know?

1011
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: I mean that's the other thing. These things obviously work

1012
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: commercially or they wouldn't exist, So what the fuck do

1013
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: we know?

1014
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: It's funny when you think about live TV and then

1015
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: you think about really well crafted TV shows. There's a

1016
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 2: series I started rewatching called Glitch on the ABC. Did

1017
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: you ever see that? No good Australia. I think it

1018
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 2: was shot around Castle, Maine as well. It was kind

1019
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: of local in Country Victoria, and effectively it happens overnight there.

1020
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1021
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: It starts off at a grave at a cemetery and

1022
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: suddenly people are coming out of the graves and they

1023
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: don't realize they're coming out of their grave and they've

1024
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: just come back to life. And it's a whole story

1025
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: of what's happening in this town with may. I think

1026
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: it's maybe five or six people who come back to life,

1027
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: and one guy was in the First World War. Another

1028
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: person only died a few years earlier.

1029
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: I actually think I did watch an episode of that.

1030
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: Is that Australian or American?

1031
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: Australian Now it's an Australian series called Glitch and me

1032
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: the shame because I've written two pilot TV series so

1033
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: and spent like six six months eight months just writing

1034
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: script for a pilot and the closest we got was,

1035
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: you know, the program director at Channel seven showing an

1036
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: interest in this script. But pretty well crafted television. Whatever

1037
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: the series happens to me, yeah, yeah, it kind of

1038
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: rause me the wrong way when you know, when you

1039
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: talk about a TV show looking at people watching a

1040
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: TV show. I just said, Man, I sweated over these

1041
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: two scripts over the years, and you know, and got

1042
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: my hopes up and thought, this is great, this is

1043
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: going to be fantastic, and to write a TV series

1044
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,479
Speaker 2: and then you know, you look at reality TV. Maybe

1045
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: that's why I start watching TV twenty years.

1046
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: Do you know what that reminded? How dumb that is?

1047
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: You know what? It reminds me of a fifty seven

1048
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: year old man in his lunde room with a fucking

1049
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: pretend saber cutting pretend boxers in half.

1050
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to do it?

1051
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: Oh the irony? Patrick? How do people connect with you

1052
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: and find you?

1053
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: I want to connect with me, seriously?

1054
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: Who would well after today? Probably nobody, But on the

1055
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: off chance that there is some broken specimen out there

1056
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: who wants to in our real job.

1057
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: You know, luckily I have staff.

1058
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: Don't try and get some credibility now, don't try and

1059
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: talk yourself up.

1060
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: Shut up websites, NOOW, dot com dot au and we

1061
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: can talk about VR. Come over to my place and

1062
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: I'll put a set on you and we can play beatsaper.

1063
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1064
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it because I'll probably like it.

1065
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 2: You will. I guarantee you you like it. Tiff would

1066
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: love it.

1067
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: I can't like Thanks Patrick, Thanks Tiff,