WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 29 May 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:05.120 From the sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.320 Thank you Shari, and welcome aboard for your Thursday night. 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:10.959 We're easing into the weekend. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:11.399 He to night. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.480 Pay labond in Paul Murray, So charge your glass and 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:17.560 settle in. Christy McSweeney and Garth Hamilton will be with 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.200 me later. The cost of servicing an EV and you 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.600 believe it is about to go up. We'll talk about 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.479 that then. Lisa Goddard and Joe Hildebrand will keep the 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:29.320 fun going. And we have the new enemy ham sandwiches 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.040 in school canteens. Seriously or on that in a moment. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.040 But let's start with some good news tonight. One nation 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.479 has won an extra Senate seat today. Of course, there 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.800 was talk that Paulin Hansen's daughter Lee could win down 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.920 in Tasmania, but as we know, Jackie Lamby managed to 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.680 fend her off, but she's managed to get a candidate 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.640 over the line. In Western Australia. Tarron Witten was declared 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.400 the winner of the final Senate spot today and he 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.720 seems like exactly the kind of bloke we should have 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:02.600 more of in Parliament to help start a successful construction company. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.039 So he has an understanding of the real world. He 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.479 has some runs on the board, he has some success, 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.480 and he's not a serial candidate who's been trying to 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.760 get into politics forever because well he's got nothing better 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.120 to do. And hopefully he'll be a voice for all 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.720 the things that we talk about here every night, sensible migration, 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.360 sensible energy policy, the sort of stuff that One Nation 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.679 has been pushing. And look, there's no getting away from 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.640 the fact that it was a landslide election for Labor. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.280 We all know that the Coalition absolutely bugged it up. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.360 But this is a great effort by One Nation. It's 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.600 the first time we should note that they've had a 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.839 senator elected outside of Queensland without it being a double 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.440 dissolution election. Now, of course it's a double dissolution. The 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.160 whole of the Senate has to go up for elections, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.400 so the quota you need to get elected is halved. 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.560 That's why a bunch of One Nation senators were elected 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.920 in twenty sixteen. But this is the first time it's 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.760 been done at a step and an election with double 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.640 the quota you had in twenty sixteen, and that is 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.080 no mean feat. So I know a lot of people 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.400 are licking their wounds and down and out about the 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.440 election result. But let this be an example of the 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.880 fact that things may not be as bad as you 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.320 think they are. I mean, conservatism hasn't just died overnight 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.280 in Australia. And it's probably a good moment to consider 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.200 as well that if all of these small right of 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.360 center parties, and there's plenty of them and their preferences 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.080 of course, got this Feller in, but if they knocked 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:34.240 their heads together and formed a united front like Reform 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.720 in the UK, they'd probably be a lot more powerful 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.000 than many people realize. So good luck to him, and 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.720 I'm sure we'll see him here on our screens very soon. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:47.360 Speaking of conservative politics. Of course, the coalition back together now, 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.359 so they'll have to work out whether or not they 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:53.880 support zero by twenty fifty. Now you probably know my view. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:55.880 I think they need to get rid of it, and 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.000 I'll talk a bit more about that in a moment, 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.280 but let's go through how all of it plays out today. First. Now, obviously, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.639 yesterday Opposition leader Susan Lee said that she wouldn't just 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.000 be backingit zero at any cost. Essentially, if we're going 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.040 to back ned zero, it has to be because we 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.560 think it's the best deal for the Australian people. We 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.880 can't just blindly follow down the road of net zero. Well, 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:18.440 this was Leon Skar this morning. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.040 Their agreement with the Nationals was that we would as 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.600 a first step, announce as one of the policies we 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.040 have jointly as a coalition to remove the moratorium. There's 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.679 plenty of work to be done in terms of nuclear 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.920 energy policy more broadly after that. That's a good starting point, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.680 but we'll take the time to get this right. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.520 We'll work through the issues now. Look, it's pretty noncommittal, 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.800 but then she has said that everything is on the 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.320 table and they'll have to discuss all this stuff. So 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.600 she's not really in a position to make any commitments yet, 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.720 but she is opening the door to getting rid of 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.880 net zero and that is welcome and certainly from within 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.520 the Nationals. There were a few people stoking the fire 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.240 this morning. Barnaby Joyce has spoken against nick zero plenty 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.640 of times before, but this is what he said this morning. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.400 I'm going to focus very much on getting rid of 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:06.839 net zero. 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.200 Can see the silhoue out of those hills. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.800 We don't want them covered it in swindle factories wind towers, 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.680 solar panels. We've got to make sure that we keep 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.720 the power price right for pensioners. They're moorried about the 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.880 power price than they are about a Paris agreement. So 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.039 I look after the pensions before I look after Paris. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.880 And he was even more animated about it with Andrew Bolton, 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.080 and good on him. I mean, he doesn't have to 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.520 worry about cabinet anymore. It's on the back bench. He 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.880 can say exactly what he wants, which will be good 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.360 because we know Barnaby will speak his mind and often 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.880 speak common sense. And another former Deputy Prime Minister who's 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.960 been dumped from the Shadow ministry is Michael McCormack. He's 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:42.800 also questioning the value of nit zero. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:45.840 I think we need to have a very serious discussion 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.440 about that. When I go to places such as crookle 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.000 vinyl On Gunning where they've got a huge wind towers 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.040 bounding as another place huge wind towers, they've done their 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.480 heavy lift as far as making sure that they put 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.359 these massive turbines up the solar factories that are bobbing 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:07.400 up all over taking up valuable arable country farmland. You know, 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.520 I think regional Australia has done its fair share, and 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.279 I think we need to revisit that given the fact 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.480 of the world. Indeed, America and other countries and other 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.760 political parties in other nations have really revisited this net 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.960 zero I think the Nationals will do the same. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.520 Meanwhile, just to sort of lighten the mood a bit, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.520 Matt Canavan's got into the AI who posted this on 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:52.600 X this morningness. I think they need to get Matt 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.120 to do the music video to that one anyway. But 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.159 of course there are people in the Liberal Party, the 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.679 wets in the Liberal Party who want to keep going 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.000 with net zero. Zoey McKenzie was on SCAR this afternoon. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.039 I am personally optimistic that we will continue to observe 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.520 the net zero goal. It is important for an electorate 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.280 like mine, where environment is very highly valued. But more importantly, 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.360 it's very important in the minds of the people in 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.840 Australia's metropolitan seats. There are eighty eight of them, and 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.200 my side of politics only now holds eight, and so 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:30.360 we must be very focused on the aspirations and perspectives 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.679 of metropolitan Australia in rebuilding our policy platform towards twenty 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:35.280 twenty eight. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:40.640 So net zero didn't work for you this time, So 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.200 what makes you think it's going to work for you 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.279 next time? You know, I get the point she's making 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.400 about wealthier seats, and she represents one of them on 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.479 the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria. And we know about all 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.640 the Teal seats, but the majority of the country doesn't 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.880 live in wealthy seats. They can't afford to have a 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.680 social conscience and vote for the environment. They have to 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.640 vote for their hip pockets. They have to be able 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:04.880 to put food on the table. They want to be 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.240 able to turn the lights on for a reasonable price. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.320 And if you look at the seats that the Liberals 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:13.480 lost at this election just gone, they weren't inner city seats. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.040 I mean, they already went to the Teals three years ago, 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.320 and of course they won one of those back with 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:22.000 Tim Wilson. But it's the outer suburbs where the Libs 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:26.240 went wrong this time. Hues in Southern Sydney, more in 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:30.200 perths Out and North Dixon, Ford Banks. You know, they're 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.080 not in teal or green sort of territory. And you 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.840 can't tell me that these people are voting on the 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.040 basis of net zero, that the people who are struggling 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.320 to pay their power bills, and they are the people 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.880 you need to get back if the coalition wants to 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.440 win another election. I mean, the Libs can try to 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.920 claw back those Teal seats by veering to the left 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.320 all they want, but that will not secure any kind 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.080 of long term future for the Liberal Party. The future 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.840 of the Liberal Party is in the outer suburbs and 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.239 the Perry urban areas. But here's the blueprint to walk 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.000 both sides of the fence, as it were. You can 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.080 get rid of net zero. Say look, there's no sense 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.200 in signing ourselves up to targets that it seems pretty 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.920 clear we won't meet, and no one else quite frankly 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.840 will meet. I mean, it's just words on a page. 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.120 It means nothing and clearly going as hard as we 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.680 have to try to meet it has bagged up the 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.520 energy grid. So we won't pursue a net zero target. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.040 But we will say there is a place for renewable 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.960 energy in the grid, along with a mix of other sources, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:38.000 including nuclear, and we will move towards decarbonization at a 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.640 time and a pace that economically best serves the people 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.280 of Australia. We won't rush things. We won't do anything 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.360 that unnecessarily drives up power bills. We will work first 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.160 and foremost to keep the lights on for a reasonable price, 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.880 while also looking at how to make the grid cleaner. Now, 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:58.959 I'm sure the left of the Liberal Party will say 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.640 that's not good enough, but really you have to make 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.800 a serious point of difference between you and the Labor Party. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.520 You have to say, look, we understand the environmental aspect 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.440 and that is what we are working towards, but that 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.960 cannot come at the expense of the Australian people. I mean, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.000 it's all good and well to say that we have 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.360 to save the planet, but what's the point of saving 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:25.480 the planet if it means financially strangling the people who 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.720 currently live on it. People didn't vote for a ratalus 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.560 and same same coalition at this election, and they're not 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.800 going to do it at the next day either. Now 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.960 it's no secret that we need more houses, more apartments, 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.240 but in more places for people to live. I get 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.960 it we're in a housing crisis, but I just don't 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.880 get this obsession at the moment, particularly in New South Wales, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.000 with destroying existing productive assets in order to put up 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.200 dog boxes. Now, obviously the plan to turn rose Hill 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:58.040 Racecourse into homes has failed. It was voted down on 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.640 Tuesday by the members of the ATC and rightly so 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.600 in my opinion. So now Chris Min's the new South 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.480 Wales Premier, saying well, we'll have to find some other 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.640 currently useful joint to slap tens of thousands of homes on. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.160 And the suggestion is that that place is Glebe Island, 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.360 which is between Sydney CBD and Balmine. It also happens 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.960 to be the last working port in Sydney. Now, the 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.079 Maritime Union today has come out and said this is 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.680 a dumb idea. And I'm not saying we should be 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.320 taking dictation from the wharf is there as bad as 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.240 the CFMEU when it comes to Thagaray and dodgy deals, 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.960 at least historically anyway. But this isn't just the wharfies, 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.480 it's the industry too. They've set up the Working Port 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.080 Coalition to fight against the joint being shut down and 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.680 turned into houses. A lot of the state's cement and 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.400 sugar comes through the port at Gleebland. It needs to 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.719 be noted and let's be honest It's not often that 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.160 the unions and the employers are singing from the same 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.000 hymn sheet, but here they are. They both say that 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:02.440 getting rid of Sydney's last working is a dumb idea. Now, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.520 much like rose Hill, once you get rid of these things, 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.920 you never get them back. And the reality is that yes, 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.520 we need more houses. But the reason we need more 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.960 houses is because the city isn't getting any smaller. The 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.680 population isn't getting any smaller. So having a working port 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.120 in Sydney will only become more important because we'll need 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.560 more volumes of stuff coming in. And if it's not 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.960 coming into Sydney, then it has to go to Newcastle 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.959 or Port Kembler. Then it has to be taken into Sydney. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.800 So you increase transport costs and that increases product costs, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.319 and on and on it goes. The need for a 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.880 port is growing, The need for a racecourse in the 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:45.559 Western suburbs is only growing, just like the population. People 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.240 want things to do. They want things to come into 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.040 the city, don't they. And if you increase the population, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.440 you need the things to service them. You can't just 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.679 build houses willy nilly and then hope that a city 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.520 is able to operate. You have to actually think about 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.320 how all these people can live and not just exist 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.080 in a city. And this is the frustrating thing about 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:10.160 planning and population. The only thing the people in charge 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:14.199 seem to care about is increasing the population. Poured all 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.720 these migrants, more than a million under the Albanesi government. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.319 And then, oh no, we don't have any houses for them. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.920 Oh no, rents are going through the roof. Oh no, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.920 young people can't afford a house anymore. What are we 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.880 going to do? Quick? Let's knock down the racecourses and 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:32.720 the port so we can stack up a bunch of 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:36.720 dog boxes. No one asked for this. No one asked 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.400 us whether we wanted it either. We didn't ask for 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.880 a big Australia. But we've been told you must have 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.080 a big Australia. You must welcome all the migrants. You 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.080 must give up ports and racecourses so we can house 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.240 all these people. Why for what? 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:53.400 Now? 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.600 I know migration is run by the federal government and 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.960 planning is run by the states, but I don't see 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.960 any premiers turning the these people away or saying turn 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:06.080 off the tap. You created this problem by flooding us 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.840 with people when we didn't have enough homes for them. 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.719 You forced rents and house prices through the roof as 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.640 a result, and now you tell us that we should 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.880 be giving up productive assets to give all these people 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.320 somewhere to live. This is not it's not a long 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.480 term mession. It's not what's best for the country. It's 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.880 a short term fix to a problem the government has created, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.880 ostensibly because productivity is through the floor and the only 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.760 way to stop the country from officially going into recession 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.480 was to import masses of people and give them jobs. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:43.560 Don't forget seventy five percent of all jobs created in 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.200 Australia last year. We're in the public sector or industries 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.720 that are propped up by government funding like health and education. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.160 We're not actually creating jobs and economic growth. We're running 0:13:55.200 --> 0:14:00.000 an immigration Ponzi scheme where you generate alleged economic growth 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.920 by importing people and then the government essentially funds their 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:04.960 jobs so they can go and spend the money, and 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.520 they go, look, there's jobs growth, there's economic growth. But 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.600 there's not. It's a band aid and we are having 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.600 to deal with the consequences. The face of our cities 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.720 and our country is rapidly changing, and we don't really 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.160 seem to have a say in what it looks like. 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.120 We need to talk seriously about the future of our 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.040 population and the future of our cities, what we want 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.880 them to look like, how they can operate, how many 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.320 people we can fit in them. But neither of the 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.160 major parties really seem to want to have that conversation. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.080 They'd rather just rip up things like race courses and 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:42.200 ports and put up cheap apartments because hey, economic growth. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:46.400 But I think you and I both know that's a scam. Now. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.520 The nanny state is to have been out in force 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.120 recently in South Australia. A couple of weeks ago you 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.600 had the state government introduce a ban on ads for 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.960 unhealthy foods and drinks on public transport, which includes processed meats. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.600 So you can't advertise a ham sandwich on the side 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.320 of a bus anymore because, as we know, that will 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:07.520 fix obesity. But if it makes feel any better. It's 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.080 not just us having this trouble. Over in the UK, 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:14.240 some mob called the Food Foundation has decided that school 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.680 canteens should stop serving ham sandwiches and sausage rolls. The 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.080 manager of this outfit, Rebecca Toby, She said it is 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.440 particularly worrying to see children eating such a high proportion 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:29.240 of processed meat, with schools and restaurants often serving up 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.640 very meaty menus, businesses and policymakers must work together for 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:37.239 people and planet to ensure that healthier and more sustainable, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.560 plant rich options are more available and crucially more available 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:46.400 to better support families tasting. I also found that children 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:50.080 proportionately eat more processed meat than adults, But I mean, 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.440 is that really is surprise. I think we all knew 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.880 that children can be fussy, but they eventually grow out 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.520 of it. And look, I obviously don't disagree that healthier 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.960 options should be availab but this idea that you have 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.760 to yank the ham sandwiches and the sausage rolls. Really 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.920 the issue is apparently that processed meats cause bowel cancer. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.200 But you know what, to be perfectly honest, I don't 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.120 really care. I mean, yes, if you diet is entirely 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.040 made up of sausages and ham sandwiches with white bread 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.120 and wash down with chocolate milk, then perhaps you should 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.360 reconsider your choices. But the reality is you have to 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.760 die of something. We're all going to die one day 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.160 if I die from enjoying a pork and finel sausage 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.040 RIGATONI too much, then, so be it. That's just my 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.320 lot in life. If I shave five years off because 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.040 I enjoy a bottle of red whatever, I enjoyed it 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.320 while I was doing it. I mean, who decided that 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.640 a long life and clean living was the best version 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.960 of life? Maybe it is for you. Good luck to you, 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.960 go for it, but just leave the rest of us 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.560 alone with you now. I don't know if you've looked 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.560 at the official recommendations around these things, but they're pretty 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.600 damn restrictive. The World Health Organization deems processed meat a 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.320 group one castinagen, which I'm a racing man, so that 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.160 led me to think that they must be the best 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.400 castogen the top of the tree, and from a taste perspective, 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.199 I think I'm right, But apparently it means they're deadly. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.040 Red meat is a group two a castinagen, which means 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.480 it probably causes bow cancer. So get this. The Cancer 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.840 Council says you should only eat four hundred and fifty 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.600 five grams of cooked, lean red meat every week, and 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.160 suggests that four hundred grams of raw red meat once 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.280 it's being cooked, at which point it's less than four 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.240 hundred grams. Is enough to feed a family of four 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.240 I mean maybe a family of four toddlers. Really, they 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:48.440 recommend that you eat little, if any, processed meat. How boring. 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.800 Don't get started on drinking. The Health Department says you 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.360 should have no more than ten standard drinks a week, 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.119 which quite to about six schooners of beer or a 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.480 bit over a bottle of wine. If you have more 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.560 than four standard drinks in one sitting, the drink police 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.280 say you are a binge drinker. Now, a standard glass 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.280 of wine is about one and a half standard drinks, 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.280 so if you have one glass before dinner, one with 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.800 one after, which would be pretty standard for a lot 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.760 of people. I'm sure many of you are sitting there 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:18.880 having a glass of wine or a beer, or a 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.879 brandy or whatever your poison of choice is. Right now. 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.960 You are a naughty boy or girl. You have had 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.720 too much. You're a risk to yourself, and of course 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.679 you should have precisely zero cigarettes ever, because every cigarette 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.040 is doing you damage. And that may well be true, 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.399 but let's be real, it's not people who had a 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.399 few darries on the weekend in their twenties who are 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.399 dropping dead with lung cancer. And I'm not telling people 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.560 to smoke. I'm not encouraging it before the narks start 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.919 writing in, but I am saying, whatever happened to moderation. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.440 I've written more on this in a column for news 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.000 dot com Dot a you that'll go online tomorrow, so 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.840 go and have a read of that. But the health 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.320 zelots say they want to save your life, but most 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:01.760 of the time it seems like they just want to 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.040 sap you of your will to live. Now, I want 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.960 to stand up for an underdog here. There's a bloke 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.960 in Wyala in South Australia, Mark Jones. And Wyala, of course, 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.480 has been in the news recently for the steel works 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.240 that the federal and state governments have had to bail out. 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.280 But Mark Jones wants to open a small bar in 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.680 the town. He wants to open it in the city plaza. 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.080 It'll be called Draft and Drift. And his liquor license 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.560 has been approved, so he's all ready to go, or 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.479 he was anyway, until the Hotels Association came along and 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.600 decided they challenged the liquor license in court after it 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.840 was granted. So now Mark has to stop work setting 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.480 up his bar and go to court next Friday to 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.359 see whether or not he can open. The AHA is 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.960 challenging it because they say that the licensing licensing sorry 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:51.679 court failed to consider the potential adverse effects quote unquote 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.639 to existing pubs in Wyala. Mister Jones said, we won't 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.200 have Pokey's, no bottle shop, no full meals. It's a small, 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.879 intimate space serving premium cocktails and fine wine. There's nothing 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.680 else like it in Wyala. The money I'd bring in 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.800 is nothing compared with the big hotels with gaming and meals. 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.320 I thought it would be a welcomed edition in town. 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:17.960 Wyala deserves something new, something different, And here's a bloke 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:19.679 trying to make a go of things and bring some 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.280 vibrancy to a regional town and the Hotels Association is 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.040 trying to bring him down. Wyale is a town of 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.840 twenty thousand people and I'm sure they can handle a 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.199 wine bar without sending the local pubs broke. And I 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.080 love a good pub, as many of you will know, 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.240 and the AHA does some good work, but come on, guys, 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:44.480 just let the bloke have his bar. Joining me now 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.080 is liberally MP Garth Hamilton and PR Council Managing Director 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.720 Christy McSweeney team. It's good to see you both, and 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.480 I was talking earlier about the proposition of netzero, of 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:59.399 course being dropped by the Coalition. There's plenty of push 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.000 from with in the Nationals for this to happen. Garth. 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.320 We spoke last week after you wrote in The Australian 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.119 saying that you need to drop zero because it's blank 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:13.560 check politics. Now that the Coalition is back together and 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.239 you are both going to go off and have your 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.520 respective discussions about policy and then come back together and 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:23.000 try and form some sort of cohesive message, what do 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:26.160 you think the chances are of the Liberal Party agreeing 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:27.280