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Speaker 1: The big Footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Happy Christopher's Footy Fans. It's here that one day in September,

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Speaker 2: the AFL showpiece event, the Decider, the Big Dance. It's

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Speaker 2: Grand Final week in the AFL, and as we flagged

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Speaker 2: on this podcast three weeks ago, we told you first

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Speaker 2: it's the matchup that loomed large as Geelong and Brisbane

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Speaker 2: meet less than a month after their qualifying final showdown.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss all the key storylines heading into the game,

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Speaker 2: but before that we had some very serious issues to

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Speaker 2: attend to whether a Humble Saints D's clash was the

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Speaker 2: game that officially sunk the Brownlow, and whether this trade

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Speaker 2: period could be the biggest yet. It's a huge, Grand

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Speaker 2: Final edition of the Fox Footy Podcast, live and on

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Speaker 2: location in the AFL tonight production studio. Ben Waterworth with you,

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Speaker 2: as is the man who he's just picked up his

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Speaker 2: fingers off the floor after another epic manual Brownload Tracker shift.

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Speaker 2: Max Thowton.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Maxim, Hello, Ben. I think, as I've said before

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Speaker 3: on this podcast, many websites have an automated system with

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Speaker 3: which to populate a brandload tracker. It makes sense, you know,

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Speaker 3: computers can do that sort of thing. Nowadays Fox Sports

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Speaker 3: has me, Max, me watching and typing and it works out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's getting even harder because.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Andrew Dylan is the worst. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you can use that in a few contexts. I guess

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Speaker 3: he's an okay yet, but my god, he has got

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Speaker 3: wrap god areas with his pace. It was ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to keep up, fair to say. On Monday night,

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Speaker 2: also joining us preparing for his first AFL Grand Final

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Speaker 2: shift on location the fork, Will Faulkner.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you've got the call up, got the call up

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Speaker 4: for the media box or the or the overflow.

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Speaker 3: You don't know if you're in the media box yet.

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Speaker 4: Well later in the week, I suspect.

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Speaker 3: To be fair, I think you know newspapers need about

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Speaker 3: twenty spots each, which means where you have to sit

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Speaker 3: in the overflow usually how it works, Yes, yes, for

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Speaker 3: the same aplication, no looking forward to it would be great.

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Speaker 2: You win a couple of years ago as a punter.

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Speaker 4: I did twenty twenty three. I think it was thirty

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Speaker 4: one degrees. I was wearing a linen shirt and shorts

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Speaker 4: and it felt so wrong going to the football despite

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Speaker 4: being the last Saturday in September. In true summer retire.

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Speaker 3: No, that's the first day of summer. Is the grand

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Speaker 3: final day, that's the Melbourne always gets warmer on that day.

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be like seventeen this year seventeen.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be quite bad for the parade. I

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Speaker 2: think maybe maybe after the parade, it's not going to

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Speaker 2: be great. I think for people in the city that day.

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Speaker 2: I think some weather potentially some storms on the Friday,

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Speaker 3: What about if we bring back the boats? Will the

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Speaker 3: weather gods be happy the boats? Because that worked so

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Speaker 3: well that one day down the Yarrah that no one

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Speaker 2: That was the definition of one and done.

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Speaker 4: Do we have a longest kick this year?

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Speaker 2: No? I do not have a longest kick.

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Speaker 3: No, we would have promoted it if we did. If

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Speaker 3: we do have it, we've done a very bad job

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Speaker 3: promoting it. Yes, we'll say that much.

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Speaker 2: We didn't have we didn't show the brown Law medal.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a free to wear exclusive, but we

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Speaker 2: had it very comprehensively on foxports dot com dot AU.

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Speaker 2: So Maxie, you and I weat the ship with Jack

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Speaker 2: last night and it was there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: a lot of scratching of heads, particularly in the office. Firstly,

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Speaker 2: what happened with with Matt Rael and Noah Anderson? And

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Speaker 2: I think Matt Row for most people was a deserving winner, Yes,

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Speaker 3: So we're in this era now where effectively every year

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Speaker 3: So he polled about fourteen votes more than expected in

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Speaker 3: that stuff. He had a few games. I am only

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Speaker 3: using betting odds in the context of expectations, not in

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Speaker 3: regards to actually promoting gambling, just keeping them in mind.

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Speaker 3: So he had games where he was twenty one dollars

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Speaker 3: always going to be weird. That's kind of the point.

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Speaker 3: We don't want an award that purely just follows champion

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Speaker 3: Data's numbers and gives them award to exactly who you expect,

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Speaker 3: and the three votes always go to the same players.

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Speaker 3: It's fun, it's why you can watch it, and what

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Speaker 3: there was a No Andazon game where he had forty

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Speaker 3: So this is the world we live in now. We

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Speaker 2: You've correlated the digits fork between Brownlow winners and their

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so twenty twelve. So I've included Joe Watson in

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Speaker 3: Saw sheet he would have written about that if he

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Speaker 4: Yes, could be the Grand Final.

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Speaker 4: Twelve years before it happened. Yeah, so in the last

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Speaker 4: But you know, Row this year was second four clearance

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Speaker 4: and again he was another one in both those categories.

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Speaker 4: He's obviously a super player. But yeah, there is a

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Speaker 4: very very strong correlation I think between those two statistics

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Speaker 4: They're really good at contested possion, they're really good at clearance.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, if you're looking for who you think is

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Speaker 3: Which is weird when we think about the game the

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Speaker 3: was a period when Tom Mitchell and guys like that

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Speaker 3: respect the game differently to whether they have the umpire's

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that the whole philosophical debate in just

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Speaker 2: a few moments. But did you feel any empathy? I

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Speaker 3: Max, But did you fee ad a bad weekend?

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Speaker 2: Did you feel any empathy for Nick Dakos last night,

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Speaker 3: Its averaging thirty three votes a year over the past

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Speaker 3: so look, yes, I feel empathetic towards his feelings. He

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Speaker 3: it's also you felt for the two players involved because

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Speaker 3: Decos goes in heavy favorite and then it's disappointing when

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Speaker 3: he doesn't win, so he has to deal with that.

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Speaker 3: And Raul almost looked embarrassed at times when he was

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Speaker 3: polling when he shouldn't have been. He gets eleven brown

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Speaker 3: low votes in games where he didn't pull any coaches votes,

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Speaker 3: and he's aware of that. He's like, Okay, I wasn't

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Speaker 2: And four Key pointed out that I think raw sends

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Speaker 2: very very early in the night that he might have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there may have been an observation that he was

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Speaker 4: having his drinks rather quickly in the first few rounds

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Speaker 4: in good fun, and then probably realized after he polled

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Speaker 4: four or three vote games in a row to start

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Speaker 4: his season, probably have to slow down because I might

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Speaker 4: have to make a speech later on in the night,

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Speaker 4: which was clearly didn't expect it.

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Speaker 3: And he was sitting near former fox footgetle Anna Harrington's

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Speaker 3: interesting placement behind getting a lot of air time.

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Speaker 2: Harry, Yeah, I think you're right. I think it's you

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be human if you didn't feel some kind of disappointment.

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Speaker 2: It clearly being a team orientated games, a team sport,

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Speaker 2: but when you finish in the top three for three

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Speaker 2: years in a row. That's got to eat away you

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Speaker 2: in some shape or form.

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Speaker 3: In the same way, it must eat away a little

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Speaker 3: bit at Marcus Bontonpelli, who has been the best player

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Speaker 3: and it seems like now won't win one unless he

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Speaker 3: And it explaining just what happened.

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Speaker 4: The word I used in the analysis piece that I

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Speaker 4: don't not trust them to override their own viewpoints and

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Speaker 2: So you've done a bit of research on this today,

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Speaker 3: I don't see how that could influence that though, because

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Speaker 3: it's just giving them more information. It's not like it's

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Speaker 2: Is there an argument though, that we would have to

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure what would be the end result of

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Speaker 4: Sure, possibly possibiling themselves out. That's sort of what I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, again. I think you want the uniqueness of the Brownlow,

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Speaker 2: So basically you're saying an AFL Players Association MVP style

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Speaker 3: Yes, because the players do not have the context with

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Speaker 3: I think they are by virtue of their jobs, focused

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Speaker 2: Are there any world sport equivalents you do.

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Speaker 3: That NBA MVP, NFL MVP, most American sports MVPs are

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Speaker 3: don't think I will. I think that. Back to Olie

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Speaker 3: It's not disrespecting them, it's just a reality of how

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Speaker 2: So the debate is whether we have hit that, whether

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Speaker 3: No, you just need to do both. It's the biggest

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Speaker 3: It's not an act sure problem. But I think you

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Speaker 4: this year where I think if we can just maybe

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Speaker 4: say to umpires, we still really encourage you to go

435
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Speaker 4: off your gut feel, but there are stats there. If

436
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Speaker 4: you think, oh, Rouse had one goal in twenty in

437
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Speaker 4: and it has had two and forty two, common sense

438
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Speaker 4: tell you maybe you probably go Anderson if it's a

439
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Speaker 4: three to one vote. So I think we we've dragged

440
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Speaker 4: We've gone a little bit too far away from the

441
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Speaker 4: medium and what we'd like. If we can just drag

442
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Speaker 4: them back in, I think that would be good. But

443
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Speaker 4: as I said, if we trust umpires to use common sense,

444
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Speaker 4: what they believe is common sense without stats, we should

445
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Speaker 4: trust them to do the same and.

446
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Speaker 2: Chutnel seven's Twitter account put and all Socials account pointed

447
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Speaker 2: out that there were twenty four times a player had

448
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Speaker 2: received ten coach at the full ten coaches votes in

449
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Speaker 2: the game this year, but didn't receive any brown Low votes.

450
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Speaker 3: Is that and thirteen the other way including three by

451
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Speaker 3: Rowl where you've got three round Low votes but no

452
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Speaker 3: coaches vote.

453
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Speaker 2: So that is that out of whack.

454
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Speaker 3: I think that's that's what's about normal. That's about normal.

455
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Speaker 3: That's just reflective of the gap.

456
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Speaker 4: I think the coaches award is reflective generally speaking for midfielders.

457
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Speaker 4: But a lot of those twenty four that were referenced

458
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Speaker 4: by seven in that that graphic they did, a lot

459
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Speaker 4: of them were rucks like Tristian's, Jerry had a fair few,

460
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Speaker 4: Darcy Cameron, Jared Witz. I'd have to have a look,

461
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Speaker 4: but also maybe a couple of like Tigers or key

462
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Speaker 4: position players who don't they're not. I think we've all

463
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Speaker 4: accepted that. It's just it's mainly a midfielders award now

464
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Speaker 4: the Brown Low, So it's yeah, it's different, and I

465
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Speaker 4: think when you play nullifying roles, it's yeah, it changes.

466
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Speaker 4: What coaches want are different to what players might be

467
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Speaker 4: seen it's the best on ground.

468
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on the fringes. And because you can vote

469
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Speaker 3: for more players, the coaches award does a slightly better job.

470
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Speaker 3: All awards are going to be midfielders awards because they're

471
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Speaker 3: the most important players on the ground place never changing

472
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Speaker 3: coaches votes. Anderson and Bailey Smith tied for the lead.

473
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Speaker 3: Rowl was third, ahead of day Coss, Max Gorn was

474
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Speaker 3: fifth and then Bond. It's Bond came seventh spite missing

475
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Speaker 3: all those games, which I think is a fair.

476
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Speaker 2: To be honest, there wasn't a lot of difference between

477
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Speaker 2: the Coaches Association leader board and the Brownlow leader board.

478
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Speaker 3: And they're not going to be because broadly speaking they

479
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Speaker 3: got it right. It's just on the margins where we

480
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Speaker 3: can complain.

481
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Speaker 2: Good chat, good chat, good Brownlow chat. And there's a

482
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Speaker 2: lot more chat to come in this segment and.

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Speaker 1: Now on the Fox Footy Podcast. Another strong edition of

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Speaker 1: Australia's favorite segment, Fair or Fast.

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Speaker 2: It's a large edition of Faar or Fast as always

486
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Speaker 2: Grand Final Large coming your way, but starting with Fork

487
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Speaker 2: Adelaide's riding the Christian Petrarca Race.

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Speaker 4: Fair or Fast Best Layup you've had all year.

489
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Speaker 2: Benet was known of Monday and our basketball circles as

490
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Speaker 2: a good point guard.

491
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Speaker 3: I couldn't say. I could tell yes, well, you're not

492
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Speaker 3: a center.

493
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Speaker 4: Definitely not a fair Yes, so put out report on

494
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Speaker 4: Sunday night saying that Adelaide well and true believe they

495
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Speaker 4: can get Christian Petrarca and that he's warming to move

496
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Speaker 4: to South Australia. So you know, they to put it

497
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Speaker 4: in similar terms, Adelaide and at a point where they

498
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Speaker 4: believe it is important for them to nail down what

499
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Speaker 4: they believe would be their best trade for Petrarca instead

500
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Speaker 4: of just trying to recruit themselves. So recruit him and

501
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Speaker 4: say hey, we're a really good club to come to.

502
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Speaker 4: They feel like they now have that picture more or

503
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Speaker 4: less nailed down. They've done what they can do, Petrarca

504
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Speaker 4: is warming to it and now it's just a matter

505
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Speaker 4: of how can they facilitate a trade with Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: What do you think could potentially get the deal done.

507
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Speaker 4: I think a first in the second rounder is fair.

508
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Speaker 4: Second round of next year. I think Adelaide's draft picks

509
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Speaker 4: this year at the back end of the second I've

510
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Speaker 4: got a lot of bunch of forty picks, so.

511
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Speaker 2: An already very weak draft.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so I think you're gotta pay a little bit

513
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Speaker 4: more overs for next year, and then I think they've

514
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Speaker 4: got a late first round pick this year, like around

515
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Speaker 4: fourteen fifteen. I think that's roughly about fair, but Melbourne

516
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Speaker 4: will probably ask for a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: Than that, imagure. It depends on how much they're paying. Right,

518
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Speaker 3: If Melbourne pays for some they would get a better pick.

519
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Speaker 3: If Melbourne pays for nothing and offloads the entirety of

520
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Speaker 3: what's a pretty big contract for a player who can

521
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Speaker 3: still be very good. Polled Okay, Petrarca, the browner because

522
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Speaker 3: he's a midfield came second the best and fairest sounds

523
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Speaker 3: about right, so've got a good season. But he's been

524
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Speaker 3: a top five player in the comp earlier this decade,

525
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Speaker 3: So if you believe he can get to that, he's

526
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Speaker 3: worth his full contract. Otherwise, Adelaide is overpaying salary wise, yes,

527
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Speaker 3: and would be compensated by giving up lessons trade.

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Speaker 4: Which they are also adam and they're not going to

529
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Speaker 4: overpay for him. So I think this is different to

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Speaker 4: what you might see with Isaac Rankin when he wanted

531
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Speaker 4: to come to Adelaide Jason Horn Francis with Port Both

532
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Speaker 4: clubs were really really keen to get him into their

533
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Speaker 4: club and basically pay whatever it takes to get him.

534
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Speaker 4: This I don't think would be the case with Adelaid.

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Speaker 4: That's my understanding, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, MAXI after marviy or Cholls three week ban, more

537
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Speaker 2: mro nuance can't come quickly enough, fair or fast.

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Speaker 3: It's fair. We've got that tribunal case on Tuesday night.

539
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Speaker 3: Obviously all the coverage there. You neither watch it live

540
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Speaker 3: or go back and see what we said, because I

541
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Speaker 3: don't know when you're listening to this. This is the

542
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Speaker 3: Paul Curtis sort of situation again. Is it not a

543
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Speaker 3: three week ban for a dangerous tackle which caused concussion?

544
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Speaker 3: But everyone's like, that's not really a three week ban.

545
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Speaker 3: It's close to zero. So yeah, it's unfortunate that we

546
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Speaker 3: had one more of these before they inevitably changed the

547
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Speaker 3: rules somewhat, because I think they're doing. Greg Swan's been

548
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Speaker 3: looking into all this stuff about the draft. It sounds

549
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Speaker 3: like we've heard a lot about the changes that might

550
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Speaker 3: be coming to that for next year, and then they're

551
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Speaker 3: going to look at the matter of new system, so

552
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Speaker 3: you have more nuance, more levers for them to pull,

553
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Speaker 3: so it's not just zero weeks or three weeks. Again,

554
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Speaker 3: I understand why it's going to be three weeks because

555
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Speaker 3: that's how the process goes. And luckily they didn't win

556
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Speaker 3: the prelium. Gosh, because it would be an even bigger

557
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Speaker 3: story than Row winning the brown Low. If we were

558
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Speaker 3: having a tribunal hearing on Tuesday night deciding his Mabbi

559
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Speaker 3: or choles chances of playing the Grand Final and.

560
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Speaker 2: Is as unfortunate as it is for Tom Stewart, it

561
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Speaker 2: might have been even be a bigger story than Tom Stewart.

562
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Speaker 3: Yes, he's definitely fine. No, it would have been because

563
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Speaker 3: that would at least be contestable. No one realistically is

564
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Speaker 3: saying that Tom Stewart should be playing. You know, I

565
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Speaker 3: know that certain ex players think that they would take

566
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Speaker 3: it to the Supreme Court court and challenge the fact

567
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Speaker 3: that you can't take me out of the Grand Final.

568
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Speaker 3: Let me play. But just because you can't see a

569
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Speaker 3: brain injury doesn't mean it doesn't happened. We have to

570
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Speaker 3: take it seriously and realistically. AFL was going to change

571
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Speaker 3: the rules around concussions. It should go the other way

572
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Speaker 3: and have a longer break rather than a shorter.

573
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Speaker 2: One, and it's not as we mentioned on it. It's

574
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Speaker 2: not the first time this has happened Chelsea. It happened

575
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Speaker 2: at Chelsea. Randall bit Crow's AFL W captain from a

576
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Speaker 2: few years ago. She missed a premiership as a result.

577
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Speaker 2: Fork good on Zach Merrit for fronting up, but it's

578
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Speaker 2: still very clear he wants out fair or fast fair.

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Speaker 4: You're two from two with me. Excellent interview that he

580
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Speaker 4: did with Drew Jones past on AFL tonight.

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Speaker 3: It was almost everyone. It was very good of merit

582
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Speaker 3: he did.

583
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Speaker 4: I think it was. It was the best possible way

584
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Speaker 4: he could deal with any of the speculation. He hasn't

585
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Speaker 4: really fronted the public eye a whole lot up until

586
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Speaker 4: maybe twenty four hours before the Brownlow. Drew's line of

587
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Speaker 4: questioning with him was exceptional, a lot of personability about it,

588
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Speaker 4: and Zach answered them really transparently, as he did with

589
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Speaker 4: all the reporters. I think charl seven and Chala nine

590
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Speaker 4: also spoke with him, among others. So yeah, answer it perfectly.

591
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Speaker 4: But it is quite clear that he wants to go

592
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Speaker 4: to Hawthorne. There was a lot of stopping short of

593
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Speaker 4: saying that he was going to stay at ess and then,

594
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Speaker 4: obviously with all those interviews, have plenty of chances to

595
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Speaker 4: say he's going to stay loyal to Essen, and he didn't,

596
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Speaker 4: which I've said before. I think he's well with his

597
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: rights to explore his options. But interestingly, Essen's new president

598
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Speaker 4: today came out and said, hey, you're staying at the clubmate.

599
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Speaker 4: So you say that dismissively, I think perhaps paraphrasing he's

600
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Speaker 4: saying he will stay at the footy club as it,

601
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Speaker 4: But yes, that was the vibe of what he was saying.

602
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Speaker 4: So it'd be interesting to see what plays out in

603
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Speaker 4: next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the Essendon present very soon. MAXI the

605
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Speaker 2: Pies were robbed by the Brandon Starzvich. Non call fair

606
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Speaker 2: or fast fus.

607
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Speaker 3: I think what were you expecting? Look to be fair?

608
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Speaker 3: I think this is more about the free kick specifically,

609
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Speaker 3: because you could make the argument that they might have

610
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Speaker 3: they were not the better team on the day, the

611
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Speaker 3: moment they would have been within a goal with him

612
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Speaker 3: and it's left and the pressure would have been on.

613
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Speaker 3: Fair enough to say that Colinwood had a better chance

614
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Speaker 3: if that had been beta free kick.

615
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Speaker 2: And we're in the media love living in the war.

616
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Speaker 3: If yes, of course, yes, it's much more fun than

617
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Speaker 3: there's a Grand Final in four days time. While we

618
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Speaker 3: talk about that, let's about past things. It's much more

619
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Speaker 3: fun and trades, because what matters more than the Grand

620
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Speaker 3: Final in four days time is potential theoretical Grand finals

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Speaker 3: in three to four years.

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Speaker 4: Yes, as we know, Ray dirks and requesting trades in

623
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Speaker 4: Melbourne was so.

624
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Speaker 3: That's going to swing the flag race in twenty thirty six.

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Speaker 3: I can tell I think it wasn't a free kick.

626
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think Ray Chamberlain's on April three

627
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Speaker 3: sixty on Tuesday night. I have not heard what he said.

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Speaker 3: I think Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh, so grand final.

630
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Speaker 3: Ray dishes well, of course, hopefully his calf's okay. I

631
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Speaker 3: see he did in the AFL W So I don't

632
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: know what his view is. I think he's going to

633
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Speaker 3: say it was was it should have been a free

634
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Speaker 3: kick because you're on the borderline of whether there was

635
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: enough front on contact by Stasovich while spoiling the ball

636
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Speaker 3: and whether there was enough contact on the ball while

637
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Speaker 3: spoiling the ball he did everything possible to spoil safely,

638
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: correctly within the limit of the law. And if you

639
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Speaker 3: look at the actual rules as they're written, you're allowed

640
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: to have front on contact if you are contesting the ball.

641
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: An incidental amount of contact is permitted. I think this

642
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: is probably borderline safe. Watching it live looked worse than

643
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Speaker 3: it does on replay, So I think if they called

644
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Speaker 3: this a front on contact freekick, there would not be

645
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: a story. We would not be blowing up about the

646
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: fact that it was a mistake. So I totally understand

647
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Speaker 3: what you reckon.

648
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Speaker 2: They wouldn't be blowing up the other way.

649
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Speaker 3: Not not quite as much like if if Brisbane had

650
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Speaker 3: then lost, it would have been a topic, but not

651
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Speaker 3: as much as because it looked more like a free

652
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Speaker 3: kick watching live than it didn't. It did. So it's

653
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: thinking about it in the aftermath, it's watching the replays,

654
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: it's looking at the actual rules that have brought me

655
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Speaker 3: to the conclusion that it was not a free kick

656
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: and they made the right decision in the moment. I

657
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: totally get why people may think differently, but that would

658
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: be a more a broader discussion about whether this rule

659
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: is accurately unpied as compared to the let letter of

660
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Speaker 3: the law. And if there are too many free kicks

661
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Speaker 3: paid for front of contact, do.

662
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Speaker 2: You think is it being umpired accurately at the moment.

663
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Speaker 3: If this is not a free kick, it is being

664
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Speaker 3: umplied accurately, right, I think it's what it should be.

665
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Speaker 2: Fork the Collingwood should encourage Bobby Hill. Oh sorry, FK.

666
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Speaker 2: Collingwood should encourage Bobby Hill to look elsewhere fear or

667
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Speaker 2: fast fast.

668
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Speaker 4: I think I think it's up to him. But if

669
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Speaker 4: I was Collingwood, I wouldn't be encouraging him to do it.

670
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I know he's had a very disjointed end

671
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: to his twenty twenty five season, but I think if

672
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Speaker 4: you can trust that he's going to come back and

673
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 4: have a full pre season, I don't see too many

674
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 4: issues with it. He's a twenty twenty three Normal Smith medallist,

675
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: is very important to their team, which I think Collingwood

676
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: found out to a certain extent, particularly in finals with

677
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Speaker 4: that last final against Brisbane. But I think the body

678
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: of work which he has missed is not yet to

679
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 4: a point like it's where Jamara ugle Haagen, where you

680
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: would done say we need to do a track and

681
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 4: also totally different reasons. So yes, Fast, I'd be keeping

682
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Speaker 4: him if I was Collingwood.

683
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Speaker 3: His situation is not one that gets sold with the trade.

684
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: Jama Gouglehagn's situation gets assisted if he has moved out,

685
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Speaker 3: if he moves out of Melbourne, I think with what

686
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: we know, Bobby Hills is not quite the same. Maybe

687
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: he wants to go back to WA if family circumstances

688
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Speaker 3: result in that, but that would be it.

689
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: Max dane Zorco shouldn't have been fined five thousand dollars

690
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: for pulling down Mason Cox's glasses. He should have been

691
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: fined fifty thousand dollars fair or fast.

692
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Speaker 3: That's very specific numbers.

693
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Speaker 2: Ben, Yes, Eddie McGwire fifty thousand, and.

694
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Speaker 3: We should also play a three game Grand Final series

695
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: and the twelve team finals and roll that footage, guys,

696
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: roll that footage. If you watch any show that Eddies

697
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: on now that he loves loves producing from the hosting chair,

698
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: it's it's interesting. I would be fine if you treated

699
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: this more seriously. So the ethos of the question. I'll

700
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Speaker 3: say it's fair because I think as initially humorous and flippant,

701
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: everyone found the situation. No, he's going after Cox's goggles eyes.

702
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: He's shorter than Mason Cox. Therefore, it's funny. Realistically, those

703
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: are protective glasses to protect Mason Cox from going blind, right,

704
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: he literally could have gone blind with his eye issues.

705
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: He needs them to be able to play. Going after them,

706
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: it's like if someone was playing with a cast and

707
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: ripping it off and going after their hand like a

708
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: wrestling match. You know, it's the same sort of thing.

709
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: You can't just attack someone's protective gear like that's more.

710
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: I'm glad it was taken seriously enough to be greater

711
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: as misconduct and it was given a three K fine.

712
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: I think that's what he accepted in the end. Thirty

713
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: one twenty five the very normal numbers that we give

714
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: out for fines. So he had to be punished in somewhere.

715
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: But it wasn't a suspension, but we needed to take

716
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: it more seriously than everyone did going in in.

717
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: The wrestling match though that the person who has the

718
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: cast and would use that as a weapon.

719
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: Yes, Cowboy Bob Orton did so for the Wrestlelmating one. Yes,

720
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: I think he had a cast for about five years.

721
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: It was very suspicious, although the US medical system I

722
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: would not put that path.

723
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Speaker 4: Do you think he just kept breaking his hand because

724
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 4: people kept taking it off? He had to reheal every

725
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: single wife.

726
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Speaker 3: I think that's the case you would have made, certainly.

727
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: You know Roddy Piper. Probably something to do with mister

728
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: t also involved in that wrestlemator lay.

729
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Speaker 2: That's right, Yes, William David Barram had to go or fast.

730
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Speaker 4: Fair, as we learned on Tuesday morning, approximately three hours

731
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 4: before the time of recording. Yeah, I think so. All

732
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: signs pointed towards him going as soon as a nine.

733
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Speaker 4: Chief football head Reporter, Head football reporter.

734
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: Tom Morrison, the football head reporter he reports about Hey Arnold.

735
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 4: Yes, as Tom reported on Sunday night, there was going

736
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 4: to be an incoming board meeting that would have a

737
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 4: bit of overthrow about it.

738
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: Yes, there was a challenge coming.

739
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: Yes, and whenever there's a challenge, it's not normally a

740
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: good thing in the case of people in positions like David.

741
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: So how it was reported, was the challenge going to

742
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: be coming from Andrew Welsh?

743
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so, because I think this was

744
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: a preemptive move against the challenge by stepping down and

745
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: letting his preferred successor take over. This was, hey, I'm gone.

746
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: You guys can't challenge Well, she's done nothing wrong, and

747
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 3: to be fair, I don't know that David Barron's done

748
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: a huge amount wrong, right. I don't understand why other

749
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: than the fact that this is Essendon and Essendon doesend things.

750
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: Why is he being challenged like they were bad this year.

751
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: They knew they were going to be bad this year.

752
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: A lot of why they were worse this year was because

753
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: of injuries, which isn't really in their control unless you

754
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: want to blame the like the turf at the hangar,

755
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people do it seems a bit

756
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: of a bit of reaction.

757
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like when he came in, he came

758
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: in all guns blazing as well. He really wanted a

759
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: high performing coach with a good CV or as good

760
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: as CV as possible to come in. They obviously went

761
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: after Alistair Clarkson went too late Obviimately me and North

762
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: Melbourne had already won his heart. There. They got Brad Scott,

763
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: who you know, I think polarizes a lot of fans,

764
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: But when you consider his win loss ratio at North

765
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: Melbourne's success there. I think he came in with a

766
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: pretty good CV. Getting Craig Vozzo in as the chief

767
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: executive I think was a really good win as well there.

768
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: So from that perspective, he certainly set a tone. It

769
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: has just not worked on the field fitness wise in particular,

770
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: and it feels like Brad Scott's very much a rebuild

771
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: through the draft kind of guy, and I think that's

772
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: probably split people at the club a little bit. Certainly

773
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: sounds like it's split a couple of players.

774
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: But that's but that's the problem. You can't give into

775
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: people's demands that they're good earlier than they should be.

776
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: They are for once being patient, they are for once

777
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: being deliberate and having a plan. And you could disagree

778
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: with Brad Scott being the man and Brad Scott turning

779
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: in them into North Melbourne two point zero with all

780
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: of his excellent roots people who've come in, but at

781
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: least there's a clear idea that they're going towards. At

782
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: the end of twenty twenty seven, if they have still

783
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 3: not played finals and they're still not making any progress,

784
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: fair enough, make some changes, that's five years. That's a

785
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: long time to try and implement all this stuff, but

786
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 3: not now, not yet. You can't react right now.

787
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 2: And Max Snoop Dogg will be a flop fair or fast?

788
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: What do you hate his music?

789
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: I'm just asking will he be a flop? Why?

790
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: How could you say this?

791
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: Bit? No?

792
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: I think it will be fine, and the Grand Final

793
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 3: entertainment is always fine. I don't remember the last one

794
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 3: I loved, but that's not the point.

795
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: Love Robbie.

796
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: Oh no, okay, No, I really did, like, really really Katie.

797
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 4: I thought she was really good.

798
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: She came out of that giant computer mouse. That's weird.

799
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 4: Did you say that the Grand Final parade on Friday?

800
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: That kind of boat.

801
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: A mouse? Yes, very good. She also did a bunch

802
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: of new songs, which I didn't particularly care. I like

803
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: the album. The point of the Grand Final entertainment it's

804
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: the same with like the super Bowl. You're not trying

805
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: to actually cater to passionate fans. You're trying to cater

806
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 3: to was wide an audience as possible. And Snoop Dogg

807
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: is known more people know or no bits of a

808
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: couple of his songs than no like the guy who's

809
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: doing the NL Grand Final. I've literally never heard of.

810
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: But if you know that Teddy swims or something negative.

811
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: Apparently his music is popular. I've would have heard one

812
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: of his songs on the radio. Well, Peter Vlandy says

813
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: it's the greatest administrator ever talked about it. He talked

814
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: about himself, Peter, rather than talking about Teddy. No, the

815
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: point isn't to catered to a specific audience, which that

816
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: sort of pick would do. It's cato or broader.

817
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 4: So it'll be fine.

818
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 3: I'll enjoy it. I'm more interested to see whether he

819
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 3: says anything weird in the lead.

820
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: Up, as in the press conferences in the Leader, Yes,

821
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: you know that.

822
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: That was the then troversy of the question around his selection.

823
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 3: I just wonder, what if do you think he's been

824
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 3: raiding the Herald's son over the last month? I Snoop,

825
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: heavily doubt it. No, okay, I heavily doubt it.

826
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: So it's normally the Thursday before the Grand Final the entertainment.

827
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: Yes, put up they do like a presser with all

828
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: of the people. So you've got my Mike Brady, Mike

829
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: Brady standing behind Snoop Dogg and the weirdest photo op

830
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: in history. Yes, do you think they'd be mates.

831
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: I can't see them going out for pre drinks.

832
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 4: I can get around him. It's more of a one

833
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: or more of friendship.

834
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: What did he does like a remix of up there? Bekaze?

835
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: Oh?

836
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: Does a wrap first?

837
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: That'd be a surprise twist. I would like to see that. Yes,

838
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: I like to see that. That's a good campaign slogan.

839
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: That's the end of fear or Fast. It's our time

840
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: for this on the.

841
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: Fox Foody podcast. It's time to open up the mail bag.

842
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: Have a question for the panel tweeters every Monday morning

843
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: at Fox Footy.

844
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: Mail Bag, beg you everyone to rode in. Only a

845
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: couple this week heading into the Grand Final. I think

846
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: most people just anticipating the pretty so excitedly yes that

847
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: they couldn't write any questions in. Also, I forgot to

848
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: do the tweet on Monday morning, so that's we had

849
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: less time to get questions. It's not my fault.

850
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: Though.

851
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: One of the questions is a bit silly. I'll leave

852
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 3: it at that, right, So most of them are silly? Yeah,

853
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: well, well this one was particularly stupid if you go and

854
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: read what it was about. So we'll just answer the one.

855
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: But to be fair, it's about the Grand Final, yes, proper,

856
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 3: there is a game being played. There is this Saturday

857
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: to determine the premiere of the AFL, which is important,

858
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: and it's all the stuff that we talk about on

859
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: the side. It's actually all building up to this. Yes,

860
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: so we'll talk about tool Long versus Brisbane with a

861
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: question from Locke technically a two parter. If you were

862
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 3: in selector's shoes, would you select Neil and Berry, Locke

863
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: and Jared of course for the Brisbane lines.

864
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: If you notice that Locke's not doing any media this

865
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: week as well, is that right? I think I think

866
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: there would have been a nice He's clearly been part

867
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 2: of the AFL three sixty family for Clyde some time,

868
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: but he hasn't done that. I think Josh Dunkley did

869
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: the brown Low interview last night. He did instead of

870
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: instead of Locke. Neil, who's a two time Brownlay winner,

871
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: you would probably interview him at the Brownlow. So I

872
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: think he's very much sort of shut himself out to

873
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: put himself in the best possible position to get there.

874
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: So that gives you an idea of his mindset to

875
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: try and does.

876
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 3: That speak to him being less of a chance than

877
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: the positivity we saw on Saturday, because there was a

878
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: lot of the vibe going coming out of the Preslem

879
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: was oh, yeah, he's going to play, he's found, he's

880
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: gotten through the fitness test, He's going to be fine.

881
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Watching the training vision that came into the office today,

882
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: he was moving very freely and obviously obviously he's not

883
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: going full tilt though in a Grand Final.

884
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: There's a risk.

885
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a risk of him potentially of a

886
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: car potentially popping in the first quarter. But if you

887
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: get three good quarters out of Locky Neil, that's probably

888
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: better than what you're going to be getting from the

889
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: next guy up at the Brisbane line.

890
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: So then playing two, if you've got Berry and his

891
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: twice dislocated shop, yes, is that where it gets over

892
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: the limit and you can't risk them both?

893
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, it's it's it's it's hard with

894
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: it's hard with injuries as not former players, but also

895
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: as not as coaches and not being on the on

896
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: the inside as well. Both Premiership players are both tough.

897
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: You probably wanted the cold face, particularly when Patrick Dangerfield's

898
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: wrenching the ball out like his life depends on it

899
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: with Atkins in there and then the outside run of

900
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Smith and Holmes. I think you probably want your best

901
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: midfielders to go up. Yeah, I think I think you

902
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: play both.

903
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: Do you think you play that both?

904
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: Will?

905
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: I think you do with Neil if you believe everything

906
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: like vision and what he said, and you know the

907
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: what he's been told by doctors. I think his scan

908
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,479
Speaker 4: is quite important, the visual element for the doctors. But yeah,

909
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: I think I would play Neil. I would definitely play

910
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: Neil if Berry's out. Silly as that might sound, does.

911
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: It sound like Barry is less likely to get up.

912
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 4: Than That's the way. That's definitely the way.

913
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: Isn't the point that when you pop a shoulder of

914
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: the second time, it's like you pop it back in.

915
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: You can go okay, you can get through this, but

916
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: if it comes out again, we've got to be more

917
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 3: careful this time. I think that's what I've understood.

918
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: It's doctor Peter Larkins.

919
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, thank you Peter. That's been definitely the message from.

920
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: He looked after my girlfriend's hip one time. It was

921
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: her doctor.

922
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: That's really nice. Good.

923
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: She's not an a f W play, but he does

924
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: she won't be getting slated this weekend normal people. No,

925
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: I don't. Well, she's not on the list, so it'll

926
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 3: be weird and illegalsp signing.

927
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 4: Yes, No, I would.

928
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 3: Play mid season.

929
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 4: No, I definitely played Neil. If Berry is playing, sorry

930
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: is not playing? I think the issue would Yeah, both,

931
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 4: I don't know if you can take two in and

932
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 4: Berry is not someone who I would play as a sub.

933
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 4: You either play all or nothing. I actually, weirdly would

934
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 4: warm more than Neil playing as a sub really than

935
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 4: what I would with Berry.

936
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those situations where the Grand Final

937
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: is the game where you risk someone who could reinto themselves.

938
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: But also so the NBA had two cases like this

939
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 3: in the postseason Tyres Haliburton and Jason Tatum calf injuries

940
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: came back early, did their achilles. There's a link there,

941
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: and that's a much more serious injury, And I don't

942
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: know if that's going to impact Niel's twenty twenty sixth season. Like,

943
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: that's the risk you're taking. It's not that he does

944
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: his calf again, although that could also happen. That wouldn't

945
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: matter for next year. It's his Achilles' or something more serious.

946
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: So you want to go all in for a flag.

947
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: But he's got to be mindful.

948
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 4: If you get lucky and you don't get an injury

949
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: in the first half and you have the luxury of

950
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 4: subbing on Neil, who's been able to warm up his

951
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 4: car for the last ninety minutes. I don't know who's

952
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 4: had a factor. Possibly obviously there's a chance that he

953
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 4: get subbed into the game early. But at that point

954
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 4: I think you got your going down. It's just all

955
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: guns blazing.

956
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean three years ago that Maxholmes had done

957
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: everything right, ticked all the boxes from the hamstring injury,

958
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: and Chris Scott still the last minute pulled the pin

959
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: on maxhomes.

960
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 4: Playing and Callum Mills last year.

961
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: Very good play. And it's not like the Lions have

962
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: a dearth of midfielders. You know, they've got a million

963
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: of them. So if there is a position a team

964
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 3: that could afford to lose a star midfielder, it might

965
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: be the Lions.

966
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: So maybe there was Sidney in the same game that played.

967
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: Do you want to say Aaron Franz, sam Reid Samuri.

968
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: Did not get through the game? No at all.

969
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: That did not work cautious, So there's Corser retails everywhere,

970
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: but there's also ample stories of players playing through ridiculous

971
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: In the famous broken leg that Dale Morris played through

972
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen Grand Final.

973
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: He's a mad man. Second question from Lockey about the

974
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: Grand Final. How does the Jewel ruck setup of McInerney

975
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 3: and Fort's stack up against Geelong?

976
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on the Yeah, how it depends on

977
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: who Geelong plays.

978
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: So this is interesting. You are you bringing in Reed

979
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: Stanley as a Cats fan selector?

980
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: No, I would be happy to go without if they

981
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: were playing Darcy Cameron and Mason Cox maybe yeah, okay,

982
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: but I think that the athleticism of Blitzavs and d'aconing

983
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: and the extra weapons that you can throw at the lines. Yeah,

984
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: I think they can expose the lines.

985
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 3: There certainly worked to the qualified.

986
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone was playing, though I'd probably feel a little

987
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: bit more comfortable if Stanley was there, if he was

988
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. Having said that, though, like Lloyd Meek

989
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: is a hulking ruck as well, and the Cats rucks

990
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: it was that sort of matched up quite well against

991
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: in there.

992
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 4: So So are you saying you'd pick Jed Bus Yeah?

993
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: So that's the problem is the flow and effect of

994
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: Tom Stewart is why you might pick Stanley. Is that

995
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 3: so that Blitzervs can play in defense? Yeah, but it's

996
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 3: but I think and us obviously not. The tall defender

997
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: is more of a medium.

998
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: I would say though, that Brisbane's medium to smaller forwards,

999
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: despite being a little patchy form wise, provide are more

1000
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: dangerous than their than their key forwards.

1001
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 4: Last year, Archie Loman so that which which is which?

1002
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: Would be a more appropriate matchup for jeb Bus.

1003
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: To come in and play on one of those if

1004
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 3: Tyger Gallup kicks five and wins the game. If that happens,

1005
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: then you just go, okay, we couldn't do anything about that.

1006
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: This bloke at his sixth games. It's played incredibly and

1007
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 3: we're not going to you accept that rather than getting

1008
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: beaten by Bailey and all of those guys. It kind

1009
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: of makes sense. It's a very game intensive mail bag.

1010
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: Thank you, Lucky you, thank you to everyone who wrote in.

1011
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: Before we get a little bit more stuck into the

1012
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: game and the narratives, it's now time to hear from

1013
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: someone who knows all about Grand Final time.

1014
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 3: You mean me right, I've watched several Grand Finals. So

1015
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 3: I know about Grand from.

1016
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: Hell, which your dad put them on DVDs.

1017
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: That's right. I used to write the back of the

1018
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: blurb on the back of DVDs, probably in the twenty tens. Yes,

1019
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: you've got any of those. I probably wrote the blurb.

1020
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: I also did the spell check on the stats screens

1021
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: on the DVD.

1022
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: When was the last time a DVD of the Grand

1023
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: Final was produced?

1024
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: He was still doing them in twenty eighteen, nineteen. He

1025
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 3: come in here. He came in the office here because

1026
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: he had to get the direct file and then he

1027
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 3: would take it over his office and upload it and

1028
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: they try and get it in the stores by Monday morning. Less.

1029
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: So now DVD's sort of going out of fashion a

1030
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: little bit, yes, but no like it would generally depend

1031
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: like Collingwood's in the game. We hope Collingwood wins this

1032
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 3: because it's going to sell like hotcakes in twenty eighteen.

1033
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: Stuff like that. That actually was a thing for a while.

1034
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Tony, if he's listing, he often does excellent.

1035
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: While he's working out in the South of France. Sounds

1036
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 3: more luxurious than it is. Kevin Sheedy though, Yeah, speaking

1037
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: of father figures, the father of modern football, Kevin Sheedy,

1038
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: and this.

1039
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: Podcast perhaps quite getting for the grand follows.

1040
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: So we tried our best to say we didn't at all,

1041
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: but instead we've got the I've got just the final

1042
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 3: bit of Sheety's book. This would be the final reading

1043
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: for the year. We've read through two of his books.

1044
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: A Touch of Cunning has been a wonderful work that

1045
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: we've all enjoyed. But Kevin Sheedy is parting words in

1046
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: his first book, So maybe I'll get some more next year.

1047
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: Who can say yea Kevin Sheedy says, do I hold grudges?

1048
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 3: What do I think about Roumanians for instance? Where Well,

1049
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: in the first place, I have tried to never hold grudges,

1050
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: never be biased against people. It is counterproductive, for one thing,

1051
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: and hard to fit in with lateral thinking, let alone Christianity.

1052
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: Mind you, it's natural, particularly to Irish anythings. Didn't Bobby

1053
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: Kennedy say, never complain, never explain, get even I know

1054
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: he did. But then Bobby Kennedy is dead, and he

1055
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: died nearly thirty years ago. In a fast moving age.

1056
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: What are my plans for the future? Will I ever

1057
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: coach Richmond? Well, it's probably time for a variation of

1058
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 3: another football cliche, like one year at a time or

1059
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 3: one contract at a time. What I will say is

1060
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: I've planned to go on coaching for a few years yet,

1061
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 3: until my mid fifties at least, and I have a

1062
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: very good coaching set up at Essendon. A man would

1063
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: have to be mad to leave Windy Hill. But then

1064
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: people who have been saying for years that I'm mad

1065
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: at least occasionally as far as Richmond is concerned, I

1066
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: have been tempted a few times, as I was with Sydney,

1067
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: but something has always helped me back. Also, coaching tracks

1068
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: tend to overlap and a lot depends on whether a

1069
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: coach is available when he's wanted and vice versa. Let's

1070
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: just say there are a lot of things to be considered.

1071
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: But I hope you like the book. I've tried to

1072
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 3: be honest. I know I've been lucky. How many kids

1073
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: end up coaching the team they support, who's guernsey they wear?

1074
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: Wow?

1075
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: He's that is The end of the book is that's

1076
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 3: his big finale. And there's a bunch of statistics about

1077
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 3: all the Grand finals has been involved in. I won't

1078
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: be ready mate, no, but thanks Kevin. Yes, or your support.

1079
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: That was very, very deep. He did end up coaching

1080
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: what was that ninety six? Yeah, I went to the

1081
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: end of seven.

1082
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 4: I'm surprised he didn't foresee his coaching of the Greater

1083
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 4: Western Sydney Giants.

1084
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: It's well given they would know where your existing. I

1085
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: suuess that kind of makes sense. I might go to

1086
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 3: a team in a place I've never been to before.

1087
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: He knows he's a he's an interesting man.

1088
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: Just Grand final wise, another tick for the premiership window. Yes,

1089
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: both Geelong and Brisbane in the premiership window, and Corey

1090
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: and Honing and continue to dance the merry way there.

1091
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: Yes, top six for defense and offense yep, the Cats

1092
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: and Lines, the Crows and Sons are also in there.

1093
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: So it does help when you get four shots at

1094
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 3: the target board.

1095
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: I do know you predicted a Hawthorne Brisbane Grand Final.

1096
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: My hunch is that is sort of to have a

1097
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: bit each way in case Twons didn't make it.

1098
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: I literally I had the Gelong Hawthorne prelim and I

1099
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: was like, well, i can't tit to long to win

1100
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: this prelim. I've got a tip all forn just spiritually.

1101
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: But we did say that a couple of weeks ago

1102
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: that this qualifying final matchup could end up being the

1103
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: Grand Final, and that's how it's panned out. And I

1104
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: think I don't think too many people would disagree that

1105
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: this is probably the match up with the two most bankable,

1106
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: informed teams heading into the finals.

1107
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: So this is a very fitting grand Final. Whether it's

1108
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 3: close or not, it is a grand final this season deserves.

1109
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 3: It's a grand final that this last decade deserves. These

1110
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: are two of the best teams of this century, of

1111
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 3: this decade so far, the two winnings teams of the

1112
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenties.

1113
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: Yep.

1114
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: One of them will be the first to two flags

1115
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 3: in the twenties. That's very important. His coaches will be

1116
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: I mean Chris Chris Fagerman's two in a row. He's

1117
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 3: a coaching great. Chris Scott deserves another flag as well.

1118
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: He would be a definite coaching great if he wins one.

1119
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: So whoever wins will deserve it. Whoever losers will be

1120
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: contending again next year anyway, So all set up for

1121
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: a very exciting game. It's just whether that Brisbane, with

1122
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: its injuries, can compete with a very informed along.

1123
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: What are you most excited about or who were you

1124
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: most excited about watching come Saturdays.

1125
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: Great question, Will Ashcroft. I know that's such a boring answer,

1126
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 4: but the idea of just the concept of someone being

1127
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 4: a dual normal Smith medallist by the age of twenty

1128
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 4: one twenty two is genuinely mind blowing to me. Brisbane

1129
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 4: small forwards just because they lived that last year, your archies,

1130
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 4: your Lomans. Ty Gallup's played more finals than he has

1131
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: a regular home and away season games, which is again

1132
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: another insane thought. You know, he probably wouldn't have been

1133
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 4: thinking about playing a Grand Final ever, Like you know,

1134
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: as much as eight weeks ago, as little as eight

1135
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 4: weeks ago.

1136
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: He's picked forty something. This is why they're up there. Like, yes,

1137
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: it's getting the ass Crofts cheaply, but it's getting a

1138
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 3: guy in the pick forties and in his first year

1139
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 3: as a key forward is playing in a Grand final team.

1140
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: That's why they're up there.

1141
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: And there's a chance that all three of Brisbane's National

1142
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: Draft d's from last season could be playing the Grand Final. Ashcroft,

1143
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: Sam Marshall, who might be on the fringe.

1144
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: A little bit, and Ty gall the Geelong thing as well.

1145
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: Both of these teams are the same situation where they've

1146
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 3: both been blessed in a number of ways. Players wanting

1147
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: to go their cheap trades, Jack Bow's weird situation with

1148
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: the salary dump. All of these things help them get better.

1149
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: But then and those luxuries help them make late draft

1150
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: picks which work out. Sean Manner out of the VFL

1151
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: two straight years, he's made a prelim in a Grand Final,

1152
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 3: Best young player in the comp at twenty eight. Yes,

1153
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 3: all of this stuff, those are the things that good

1154
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: successful clubs do. It's what they have the luxury to

1155
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 3: do because they are already successful. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

1156
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: But it's also credit to the list management teams, the

1157
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: coaching staffs and all of that.

1158
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: Ollie Dempsey was a rookie. Laws Humphrey was taken in

1159
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: the sixties.

1160
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 3: From the Waffle reserves.

1161
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: From the Waffle reserve, Tom Akins's Mitchier age recruit out

1162
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: of local Geelong four. So it was Tom Stewart who

1163
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: won't be playing this weekend, so they've they've just struck him.

1164
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: A number of front fronts there. Bailey Smith on Grand

1165
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: Final day of the MC so we saw him in

1166
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: a Grand Final for the Dogs, but that was an

1167
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: op the stadium against him.

1168
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: Hang I heard he hasn't. That was his first prelim

1169
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: last week, is what I was I was told.

1170
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: So we've got Bailey Smith at the mcg on Grand

1171
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: Final dage. I think we're really looking forward to the

1172
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: Dash brothers going at it. From that perspective, Oscar Mackannooney

1173
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: gets a crack yeah as well, feel good story and

1174
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: like he'd probably be on the fringe of the best

1175
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: twenty three.

1176
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: At the moment, but certainly with how his body's been going.

1177
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: But he's worth so much I think emotionally for the

1178
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: team in the lead up and on Grand Final day

1179
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: as well.

1180
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: Definitely, Darcis Ford has a chance to become a dual

1181
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 4: Premiership player.

1182
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: Yes, which his old club.

1183
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, correct. I don't think that would have been

1184
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 4: on the bigger cards of many about twelve months and

1185
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 4: one week ago. But crazy how far he's come. But no,

1186
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 4: just to go back to Bailey Smith, I can't. I

1187
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: think for someone who's demanded this much attention and been

1188
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 4: given this much attention, how do you go on the

1189
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: big stage. I don't think anyone downsad he has got

1190
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: the capacity to do it, but it's a pretty big game,

1191
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 4: but particularly for him on that front, and Danisfield, who

1192
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: played the best prelim final in the history of AFL

1193
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 4: player ratings since twenty twelve.

1194
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 3: I think around then is what it started.

1195
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, can you go back to back and you know,

1196
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: if anyone deserves one, he does, alongside Jeremy Cameron, who's

1197
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 4: had the best home away season in terms of goals

1198
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 4: kicks since two thousand and nine. Brendan Favola. I think

1199
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 4: just so many storylines come out of it, but as

1200
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 4: a result that comes from two clubs who deserve to

1201
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 4: be there.

1202
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: Who wins.

1203
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 3: Too long? Gee long, I'm tipping long. Look the numbers

1204
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: are relatively convincingly pointing in their direction. It would be

1205
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 3: an incredible achievement if Brisbane, after this season, with their

1206
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: incredibly hard draw and their run of injuries, gets to

1207
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: the Grand Final and wins it playing an interstate game

1208
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: because you know, not like last year where they were

1209
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 3: both non Victorian teams playing a team that's theoretically at

1210
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: home at the MCG. So it would be incredible credit

1211
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 3: to them. I think they absolutely can. I would have

1212
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: to lean the Cats and you know, there's a reasonable

1213
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: chance it blows out and sort of like the late

1214
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: in the game, which has happened a fair big it

1215
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: happens to grand finals because one team's like, okay, we've lost.

1216
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: We're not giving up, but it's hard to go on

1217
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 3: with them.

1218
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 2: If you look back at the history of Grand finals,

1219
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of close ones.

1220
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: No like twenty twenty three is the aberration twenty eighteen

1221
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: Collingwood Grand finals are usually pretty damn good. So that's

1222
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: a shame in one sense, but it's not really a

1223
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: shame at all. You expect grand finals to usually go

1224
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: in one Wayne Melbourne Dogs was very close until the

1225
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 3: last quarter at least.

1226
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: And Richmond Geelong in twenty twenty was sort of.

1227
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: It was artificially so because of the shortened quarters, but yes,

1228
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 3: it was close into the last.

1229
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah we had twenty twenty three and then twenty eighteen.

1230
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: But in general it's a rarity to have one that

1231
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: goes right down to the wire.

1232
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 3: Yes, certainly easier to work on when they were a blowout.

1233
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 4: Yes, Dog City twenty sixteen. Would you consider that that

1234
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 4: was Yeah, that was a great that was close. Who

1235
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 4: wins there will as the only neutral in this room.

1236
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 4: I think Geelong, but I'm hesitant to not like what

1237
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 4: we thought of Sydney last year going to last year's

1238
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 4: Grand Final, what we got on Grand Final. I think

1239
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 4: Geelong's are much more well old machine than what Sydney are.

1240
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 4: But on the on the other side of the corner,

1241
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, can you ever really count for

1242
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 4: asbon out of the contest? So I'll be going Geelong,

1243
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 4: but I'm expecting a close one. I'm also curious just

1244
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 4: to when the last time a team went back to

1245
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 4: back playing four finals in September would be. I don't

1246
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 4: know if that would be a occurrent.

1247
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: It might be the Crows ninety seven, ninety eight. I

1248
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 3: think one of those times they might have skipped a

1249
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: week even though they were fourth and fifth. But that

1250
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: that's the sort of areas we're looking at.

1251
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1252
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 4: Point being they've had to take the long road twice

1253
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 4: and that was successful. The first time has to be

1254
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 4: exhausting like it would not. It wouldn't there was there

1255
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 4: would be no shame in them getting a few goals

1256
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 4: down in the third quarter and then fading absolutely not

1257
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 4: so long Geelong to an extent, maybe due a bad game.

1258
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 4: They've had a pretty good run of form. Obviously the

1259
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: prelim they overcame a bad start and we're the best

1260
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 4: team on the night, quite clear.

1261
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: I keep coming back to the narrative though, that the

1262
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: Geelong's soft draw due for a bad game. I think

1263
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: that was clearly in play in twenty twenty two and

1264
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: they just shoved that out.

1265
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that doesn't bother me at all. It's

1266
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: purely about that. I understand that they have been very,

1267
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: very good for most of the year, but they've also

1268
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 3: had some stinkers and they haven't had one a little while,

1269
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 3: and it's on the Trots they have won. Yeah, and

1270
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: you know Sydney last year wasn't was. If you want

1271
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: to say they were due for a bad game, maybe

1272
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: they were and then they had one. It can happen.

1273
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: There haven't been any signs that Geelong.

1274
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 3: But they weren't really signs of Sydney doing it. I

1275
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 3: mean they had their fade out and then they came back,

1276
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: so that would be it.

1277
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 4: But their last thinker, ironically Brisbane round fifteen.

1278
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: That was I was there that day, so that was

1279
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: a very impressive that very impressive Brisbane performance that night.

1280
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: There's something really satisfying about teams playing four times in

1281
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 3: a year. I feel nostalgia because of Sydney West Coast

1282
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: because they kept doing it, playing back to back finals.

1283
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 3: But it's an interesting little side note, like it would

1284
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: almost be better for Geelong if this was the third

1285
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 3: time they were playing and they could do the stuff

1286
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 3: that they did in the qualifying final, strategic masterclass moves.

1287
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: They're putting the taggers on mcluggage and the like, so

1288
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 3: they can't do that this time. They have to do

1289
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 3: they move preemptively? Do they change those matchups or does

1290
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: Brisbane get to move preemptively and force those matchups to

1291
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: be changed. It makes things even more interesting.

1292
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Speaker 2: Norm Smith medal tip.

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Speaker 3: Max Holmes would be nice, would be yeah?

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Speaker 2: I like Holmes Holmes. Yeah, I don't know if we

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Speaker 2: give a tip, but Geelong will win by four goals

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Speaker 2: and Grand Mars.

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Speaker 3: Normal Smith, how many is you need? Is that? Kicking?

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Speaker 3: Like four in the first half? When it's close you kick, you.

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Speaker 2: Kick two or three? From twenty to twenty five every

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Speaker 2: big game, I can grind my sure manners, my smoke

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Speaker 2: you well, I did get a Norm Smith meddle not

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Speaker 2: norms Smith, but I do remember that twenty twenty one

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Speaker 2: I said bally Fridge kicked five goals, Yeah, kick six? Wow,

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Speaker 2: that that was probably good tip ratest prediction.

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Speaker 3: What would be the equivalent of tipping that this time?

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Speaker 3: It would be Shannon kicking five or six Morris.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but bally Fridge is a better player than that, maybe,

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Speaker 2: like maybe, like Morris.

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Speaker 4: I'm just thinking more build in size. Yeah, but Morris

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Speaker 4: has done a few times this year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I hope he doesn't long or lose. Look at

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Speaker 3: fan talk for ten seconds. I'm happy if Brisbane wins,

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Speaker 3: much happier if my team wins. But Brisbane. I have

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Speaker 3: no illill towards Brisbane. I like Brisbane. I like all

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Speaker 3: the Brisbane fans. I know, good for them if they

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Speaker 3: win a second flag in a row.

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Speaker 2: On Blitz, Yes, the Blitz gives another mention.

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