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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, September four, twenty twenty five. Antoinete Latouf wants

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Speaker 1: the ABC to pay a penalty of more than three

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars for dropping her from two casual ABC

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Speaker 1: Sydney Radio shifts. A Federal court hearing in the wake

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Speaker 1: of Latouf's unfair dismissal victory has turned hotly emotional, with

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Speaker 1: raised voices and Latouf's barrister asking the ABC's chief people

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Speaker 1: officer if, as a diverse person she agreed with the

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Speaker 1: organization's treatment of his client. Chief People Officer Dina Amarelli

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Speaker 1: said she had personally apologized to Latouf, but stood by

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Speaker 1: the ABC's position that it made an inadvertent mistake of

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Speaker 1: law in dropping the presenter. You can read our detailed

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Speaker 1: account of that fiery proceeding right now at the Australian

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Speaker 1: dot com dot au. Phenomenal flexing of military muscle that's

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Speaker 1: designed to send the world a clear message. That's the

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Speaker 1: takeout from a huge armed forces parade in central Beijing's

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Speaker 1: Chienanmen Square featuring massed soldiers marching with fixed bayonets, displays

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Speaker 1: of military hardware, and guest appearances by foreign politicians including

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Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un and Daniel Andrews. Today, our

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Speaker 1: China correspondent Will Glasgow up close and personal with the

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Speaker 1: People's Liberation Army.

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Speaker 2: Hey there, can you hear me? Nah? As seen as

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Speaker 2: I plug in the thing and chance it off.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's do it. This is Will Glasgow,

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Speaker 1: the Australian's North Asia correspondent. He's calling me on WhatsApp

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Speaker 1: from Chienanmen Square in central Beijing after a military parade

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Speaker 1: like nothing either of us have ever seen.

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Speaker 2: You've seen what time it does? It feels so late,

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Speaker 2: so it's it's the parade is over. They're unpacking. It's

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Speaker 2: not yet midday.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I got into a cab to go to meet.

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Speaker 3: My bus at just after two am, so at thirty am.

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Speaker 2: Some people were up earlier than that. Right.

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Speaker 3: I had to get to a media center on totally

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Speaker 3: the other side of town at two thirty am, then

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Speaker 3: had to go through my first security check of the date.

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Speaker 3: When do we go to the bus About four am?

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Speaker 3: So it's an absolutely epic day, really long. There's no food.

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Speaker 3: We were given a little snack back, so you.

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Speaker 2: Did get I should I walk that back?

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Speaker 3: There's no cafes for anything open. You're not allowed to

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Speaker 3: bring your own food. We were allowed to bring in

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Speaker 3: the snack pack.

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Speaker 2: That we will provide it to a bottle of water

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Speaker 2: and a little bit of things to Montron.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a long day with very little food,

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Speaker 3: and it's pretty hot and Tiana, man, you know one

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Speaker 3: thing about building the world's biggest square, just this enormous

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Speaker 3: concrete style in this monstrosity that was built here in

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Speaker 3: the fifties, is it just beams back the sun like

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Speaker 3: nothing else. It gets baking hot. So yeah, it's a

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Speaker 3: very memorable way to spend twelve hours. But probably about

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Speaker 3: ready to leave Tianneman Square today?

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Speaker 1: Haven't you ready for a nap? If only you didn't

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Speaker 1: have to write seventeen stories videos will You've been reporting

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Speaker 1: about the build up to this parade for quite a while. Now,

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Speaker 1: how did it compare to your expectations? Well?

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, during it, I must say at times

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Speaker 3: I was thinking kind of underwhelming, But then now that.

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Speaker 2: It's past, the kind of miss it, I'm looking back calmly.

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Speaker 3: My special time, so close to so much people's liberation kit.

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Speaker 1: Was it an impressive display of military mite when you

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Speaker 1: saw all that hardware?

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, as an Australian watching it there, well across

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Speaker 3: a lot of Chinese territorial disputes. When you see the

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Speaker 3: hard power that China's assembling, you know, it makes all

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Speaker 3: those scenarios even more troubling, even more worrying, and you

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Speaker 3: wonder where are some of those going into the future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I was stunned by the formation marching of

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Speaker 1: guards with bannetts fixed and people carrying automatic weapons, turning

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Speaker 1: their heads in unison to face Hi Jinping as he

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Speaker 1: drove past in.

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Speaker 2: An open topped car.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is this the kind of display that Chinese

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Speaker 1: people are used to, big displays of strength by the

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Speaker 3: Look, it's become much more common since Shoes of Peing

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Speaker 2: The Communist Party in late twenty twelve.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's overseen far more military parades and at

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Speaker 3: a tempo they're happening more often than they.

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Speaker 2: Used to happen before.

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Speaker 3: Now, Look, partly that she part of the way he

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Speaker 2: He's also just the leader at the moment.

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Speaker 3: When China's got this military equipment to show off. I mean,

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Speaker 3: pretty feeble display what would be rolling down Chang'an Avenue

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Speaker 3: you're seeing is she wants them to get bigger and

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Speaker 3: better each time. And what definitely is happening, I mean, unquestionably,

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Speaker 3: at such a pace as extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: So there's a new.

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Speaker 3: Stealth fighter they have, and there was more vision of

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Speaker 3: that than there's been previously. Similarly, with a new class

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Speaker 3: of hypersonic missiles the Chinese have made, we knew about them,

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Speaker 3: we saw a bit more of them, and the Chinese

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Speaker 3: feel confident enough in apparently to display them, or at

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Speaker 3: least display bits of them.

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Speaker 1: Australia's ambassador to China didn't show up, as you said,

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Speaker 1: a defense attache in their place. How much of a

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Speaker 1: snob is that? And will Australia pay for that.

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Speaker 2: It's very pointed. It's very clear.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this same parade marking the end of World

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Speaker 3: War Two, and if they're Chinese victory with its allies

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Speaker 3: over Japan at the end of World War two, go

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Speaker 3: back ten years ago this so this one here was

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Speaker 3: the eightieth anniversary of that. Ten years ago at the

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Speaker 3: seven years we had a minister from the Abbic government,

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Speaker 3: their veteran affairs minister came here. Now this time we

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Speaker 3: military attache and the political counselor along. And it was

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Speaker 3: very deliberate. The government made that very clear. For me,

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Speaker 3: it's a very deliberate signal. Now we're not the only one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, ten years ago people had a different view

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Speaker 3: of a benefit of the doubt about its increasing military capabilities.

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Speaker 3: That you know, it's a big, powerful country and so

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Speaker 3: it's going to have a big powerful military.

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Speaker 2: That's just the logic of the world with a big

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Speaker 3: But China's behavior in the last ten years, and particularly

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Speaker 3: so supportive of Vladimir Putins since his war in Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: you know, the latest war in Ukraine since twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was the guest of honor today and

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Speaker 3: have made it clear. You know, the parade began with

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Speaker 3: him walking side by side with Kim yongun, the North

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Speaker 2: So the way.

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Speaker 3: China's behaved, the company it's keeping, the support, its giving

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Speaker 3: diplomatic and military to Vladimir Pusan's war machine, you know

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Speaker 3: that has disgusted and appalled a lot of countries, including Australia.

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Speaker 3: And you know, in twenty fifteen there was the South

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Speaker 3: Korean president. They came along to this. This time they're

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Speaker 3: not coming. And you know, there's been a big change

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Speaker 3: they've experienced and encountered this increasingly powerful China that's buttressed

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Speaker 3: by the PLA might that's on display here. So you know,

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Speaker 3: there's just a lot of the diplomatic speakers like Midic countries,

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Speaker 2: Who are uncomfortable about the.

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Speaker 3: PLA's build up and the way shujuin Ping has asserted it,

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Speaker 3: and so wanted to make a point, as Australia really

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Speaker 3: clearly did by demoshing its representation so significantly.

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Speaker 1: One Australian who did show up was former Victorian Premier

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Speaker 1: Daniel Andrews, who of course was in power certainly at

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Speaker 1: connection with China was seen as perhaps less sinister than

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Speaker 1: it is now. Former New South Wales Premier Bob Carr

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Speaker 1: decided not to show up. You've been reporting about some

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Speaker 1: speculation about whether it was good for the Albanese government

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Speaker 1: to have those senior labor figures there or not. What

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Speaker 1: do you think now having seen the parade unfold and

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Speaker 1: seen Dan Andrews, you know, shaking hands and walking a

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Speaker 1: red carpet with Shijian pink.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, my personal view was it was an

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Speaker 3: it out of sync with the Australian federal government.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's just almost beyond belief.

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Speaker 3: Now, Dan Andrews went ahead with it, and the warning

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Speaker 3: the thing that had been told to me.

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Speaker 2: And frankly not used to me.

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Speaker 3: I mean I knew this myself, that the Chinese government

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Speaker 3: the propaganda mill and the sure enough, Dan Andrews was

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Speaker 3: know many probably mistrucken for Australia's Prime Minister, Australia's leader,

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Speaker 3: this build up, the signal the government wanted to send

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Speaker 2: Now, Bob Carr very late in the game.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's come to Beijing, amazingly he's come, but

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Speaker 3: they're not attended the military parade, so you know, it's

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Speaker 3: really over to Dan Andrews to explain why he was

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Speaker 3: a good idea for him to be here and why

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Speaker 3: jarring so clearly and so explicitly with the Australian federal government,

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Speaker 3: why was that a good idea?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's over to Dan.

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Speaker 1: Coming up the very clear message to Taiwan. Who was

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Speaker 1: the primary audience for this will? Was it Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: Was it the leadership of Taiwan? Was it ordinary Chinese people?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Look, I think you start with ordinary Chinese people. That's

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Speaker 3: really important. I mean the Communist Party. You know, maybe

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Speaker 3: start there first. The People's Liberation Army is the Chinese

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Speaker 3: Communist Party's army, not the Chinese People's Army, the Chinese

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Speaker 3: Communist Party army.

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Speaker 2: So start with the Communist Party.

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Speaker 3: She just again demonstrating his dominance over the party and

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Speaker 3: its military, the People's Liberation Army. From there you go

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Speaker 3: to Chinese people. Hugely important. I mean, she is obsessed

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Speaker 3: with constantly promoting his image within China as a great leader.

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Speaker 2: That's making the country more powerful.

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Speaker 3: Cheng changing the change for sure now and that all

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Speaker 3: Chinese people are benefiting from what he calls the great

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Speaker 3: rejuvenation of the Chinese nation. So yeah, start with the party,

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Speaker 3: then go to the Chinese people and from their look

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Speaker 2: Right, I think Washing team is at the top of that.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump as at the top of that, sending a

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Speaker 3: and it needs to be treated with respect, and it's

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Speaker 3: to learn about. Right. Then you step down from there

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Speaker 3: to Taiwan. I mean, yes, there is a message going

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Speaker 3: boiled down to we can do this the easy.

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Speaker 2: Way or the hardware, Taiwan, what do you want? You know?

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Speaker 3: The offer is peaceful they call it reunification. Peaceful unification

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Speaker 3: with China using something like the Hong Kong one China

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Speaker 3: two systems, or with Beijing reserving the right as it

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Speaker 3: it feels comfortable with it. That's the easy way Taiwan's

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Speaker 3: been offered. And then there's the hardway, which is we

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Speaker 3: can use this stuff that you just saw rolling down

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Speaker 3: the streets of Beijing and force you to be part

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Speaker 3: of China, you know, and I mean their Chinese plan,

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Speaker 3: and they're very open about this, is they just keep

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Speaker 3: building up that equipment year after year, and they say

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Speaker 3: it's inevitable that Taiwan will return, and they.

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Speaker 2: See part of that in evitability.

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Speaker 3: This is just this huge increase of power and might

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Speaker 3: of their Chinese People's Operation Army just gives them the

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Speaker 3: ability to force things to happen.

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Speaker 1: Will Glasgow is The Australian's North Asia correspondent. You can

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Speaker 1: read Will's reporting and check out all the remarkable pictures

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Speaker 1: and video of that Chinese parade, plus experts analysis right

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