1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: The complex case of Stephen May, the fine line between 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: contesting the ball and the duty of care to be tested. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: A new Freemanner graduates to the contending bracket with a 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: stirring win over Collingwood. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 3: How far can it carry? The doggers and. 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: The coaches living the small margins that will define the season. 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: Sam Mitchell and Chris Scott's in the fight to book 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: a place in September, we. 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: Talked about is this step into it, embrace all. 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Of it in the room and Pat it's unedifying for 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: a senior coach to do that. 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: the man on. They played the best footy I've. 14 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: Ever seen at the start of the season, and Andrew said, 15 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: president left the couple older. 16 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 4: Said, of course they do. 17 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 3: Is the stuff that legends are made of. What is 18 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: holding the ball? 19 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: I don't think I could answer it clearly right now 20 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: that I could do something. 21 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 5: Wrong, you know, And I need to get on the 22 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 5: board sexually. 23 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 6: The fans lover and with no fans no through sixty 24 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 6: year old. 25 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: The angles of round nineteen gazz and the rise and 26 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: fall of Fortunes is going to define everything that unfolds 27 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: from here. 28 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: Yes, no missteps from here five weeks ago, Jude, that's 29 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: when it gets pointy in It's officially we've entered the 30 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: pointy end of the season. 31 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: Got the ladder predict the stage? 32 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: I reckon? 33 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, for those that play in that space, I'm 34 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: sure they've been busy in it. 35 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: The ladder that matters right now is that a little 36 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: bit of movement about it. 37 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: It has so the snakes and ladders, which will plot 38 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: for the remainder of the season. What Fremattle picked up 39 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: on the swings they gave back on, what the Suns 40 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: picked up on the swings they gave back on the roundabouts. 41 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: There they were the riser and they're the faller, and 42 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: everyone just progressed a little past of them. 43 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: I wonder we're they're going to push that out to ten. 44 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: Our Sydney Swans are just sitting there going, hey, what 45 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: about us? 46 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: Don't forget us. 47 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: I know they're the longest of long shots, but you can't. 48 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: There were some terrific victories in amongst that, of which 49 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about tonight as well. 50 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: The Bulldogs couldn't get out of the death seat. They 51 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: sit in ninth, so their opportunity to Rise is about 52 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: to come. They are celebrating the centennary tonight. It's the 53 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: one hundred year anniversary of the bull Dogs. So they've 54 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: gathered at Witten Oval to put the contemporary struggles apart 55 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: and honor what has been in the past. And you'll 56 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: be able to pick the famous spaces. 57 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: Were you missed the dress code fresh start at the 58 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: Brand Law Medalists live and there's there are some great 59 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: names in here in and amongst this grouping. The Brown 60 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: Law Medalists talk about Scottie Wine, who's done well, Bob Murphy. 61 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 3: Our very own. So it's Monday night. 62 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: It's an unusual I would have thought when I heard 63 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: about this unusual night, given they played Friday night as well. 64 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so the highlight of the night is the name 65 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: of the top twenty five Bulldogs of all time, and 66 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: that means Dougs dougle about that right at the top 67 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: of the historians and the judges have had to separate 68 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: Ted Written and Marcus Bontempelli. 69 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: One of those judges is on the couch after our show, 70 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: so would be put under all sorts of pressure to 71 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 2: reveal which way Mike san went hard for us or yeah, 72 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: hard for us to judge because I'm older than you. 73 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: So it's ej and the bond. Either way, you know, 74 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: how can you go? Ej is the face of footy 75 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: and the Western Bulldogs, and Marcus is the current day 76 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: in the modern day face of them. 77 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: So I'm not sure which way that goes. 78 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: Terry Willis has got this great framing. It is the 79 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 1: number one player is Bonton Pelly and the number one 80 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: Bulldog is ejod. 81 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: That's a good willly nice framing. So how do they 82 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: sort it out? Tonight? 83 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: We will review that when we sit on Tuesday. Here's 84 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: how our week looks. Chris Scott and Sam Mitchell are 85 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: going to join us at the desk, not only the 86 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: fortunes of Geelong and Hawthorne, but the overall competition structure 87 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: and a critical tribunal hearing tomorrow or Wednesday night that's 88 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: going to affect a lot. Jack Revel, Jordan Lewis, Nathan 89 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: Buckley and Mike Shehan is there again. Our Tuesday night, 90 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: our players Toby Green and Travis boch Ray Chamberlain. I 91 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: suspect this gets poorer and poornier. 92 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: Umpire as well as ever. 93 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: And then our favorite pairing on Wednesday, Adam Simpson and 94 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: John Longm plus Simon Goodwin. 95 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 3: I know you've got a bit on Melbourne. 96 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: As we work our way through our Mondays start with 97 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: the awarding of the GVPS the most valuable player from 98 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: the previous round three, three, two and one in the 99 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: estimation of just one man, Gary Lyon. It is the 100 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: most sought after prize in forty ninety three thousand dollars 101 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: worth of Mustang GT fast back from Ford Iconic Design, 102 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: Unreal performance five to eight engine goes like a dream 103 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: around Albert Park. 104 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if this man's going to win, but 105 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: he'd look all right in the car, and he would 106 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: fancy himself in the car. But I didn't think i'd 107 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: mentioned the name Patrick Voss throughout the course of this year. 108 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: But you can't go to the mcg roll over the 109 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: flag favorite and kick six and not get a nomination. 110 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: He was terrific. 111 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: The standard of the goals goes up in accordance to 112 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: who you play on and he just gave Darcy Moore 113 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: a bath to the point where Darci had to get 114 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: moved off him. And then Maynard goes to him. He 115 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: beats Maynard ends up with Charlie Dean. So they came 116 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: with the plan. They said, dragged Darcy to the footy, 117 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: and he did and six goals Jared. 118 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: There was heroics. 119 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: Everywhere, but in the end this bloke was the separating factor. 120 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: Cast off by Essen. 121 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't there's any supplemental pick by Fremantle, gotident. 122 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: I've got an accident. Support his head us over this. 123 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: So he gets the one and deserves it. And then 124 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: Tom Green was sixteen clearances. He put on a clearance 125 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: clinic against the Bombers Tom Green and it's my award. 126 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: I guess. 127 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: So there's no apology. I just get drawn to this 128 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: bloke every time I watch him play. He's as clean 129 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: as anyone. His ability to win it entied is look. 130 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: At this pass. 131 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: That's a banana pass from forty meters if you don't mind. 132 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm an unabash fan. And he put on 133 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: he put on a show against the Bombers, so big, lean, clean, 134 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: Tom Green gets two votes and then it would have 135 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: taken something pretty special and as always as unlucky. But 136 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: Isaac Keen, He's played arguably his best game in amongst 137 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: a resume which reads so brilliantly. 138 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: He was unbelievable by Zach Keeney. He was. 139 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: He's just as clean and pure as a footballer. He 140 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: looks like a pure football he smiles like a putifootaller, 141 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: and he plays like an animal. 142 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: So this was the form that he was in last year, 143 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: which he has sporadically produced this year, and we've sent 144 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: it a couple of times. We saw it against the 145 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: Bulldogs and single handedly challenged on a Friday night and 146 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: then this was as it's as good as you'd ever 147 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: see him play, with five goals. 148 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: Out of the midfield. 149 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: And he's here last year I think meant has meant 150 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: that we've marked him harder this year, which happens to 151 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 2: the champions. And he's a champion of the game. So 152 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: I'm not looking at the leaderboard, but is that. 153 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: Any second lot? It is? 154 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 7: It is? 155 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: So he's up to six dangerfield nine, Toby Green, Jesse Hogan, 156 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: Matt Raw, Isaac Keeney on six and steel side bottom 157 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: because he pick it and Tom Green slides. 158 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: Up steel side. Botom Jog pass me in the pregame 159 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: and went like this you wanted to look. 160 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: In all right? It probably goes in camera all right. 161 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: Top of the agenda is the herald of arrival at 162 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: AFL headquarters of greg Swan. It's fair to say there's 163 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: a collective investment in this appointments. The hope that he'll 164 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: make the change is that are necessary and warranted and 165 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: fix some of the glaring issues. 166 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 4: It's funny coming from Clubland, you sort of have a 167 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 4: pretty narrow view of life, but you know you've got 168 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 4: to do things here that the highlighting clubs have got 169 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 4: to be in support. Well not all of them wise 170 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 4: in support, but you know you'd like to canvas a 171 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: lot of different views before you make a call. So 172 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 4: and you know there's a lot of people who have 173 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: probably already looked at some of these things as well. 174 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: So it's just whether we can fast track some of 175 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: these decisions. 176 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 8: Twenty six years at Clubland and you know, vast professional 177 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 8: experience before then. I think he adds a lot to 178 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 8: our executive team. He's been a great contributor to the 179 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 8: game over many years and he's now got the opportunity 180 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 8: to make a contribution in a different way. And and 181 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 8: think you see the knowledge is vast and will be 182 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 8: the better for it. 183 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: What's your opinion on the standard of umpiring great. My 184 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: opinion on the standard, I think they're doing a great job. 185 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I think I said the other night one 186 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 4: of the things it's difficult for the umpires is the rules. 187 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 4: We just need to try and make them a bit simpler, 188 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 4: whether it's the stand, whether it's holding the ball, whether 189 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: it's you know, and again that's something that I'm really 190 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 4: keen to talk to clubs and coaches and footy managers about. 191 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: Is there an easier way for these guys to have 192 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: to adjudicate it. I mean, I think in general terms, 193 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 4: I've said this a few times and it's a bit folksy, 194 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 4: but you know, if I was in Brisbane and I 195 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 4: wanted Zack Bailey to someone to kick for my life 196 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 4: out of Zack Bailey and the other week he kicked one, 197 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 4: five and two on the fall. So you know, people 198 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 4: make mistakes and they have bad days and whatever, and 199 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 4: the umpies are no different. 200 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: He's a pragmatist, he's a terrific leader. He loves the 201 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: game and you've got an interest jobs. He is dialed 202 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: in not just clubland and just the app, but he's 203 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: dialed into the constituency like few others Yeah. 204 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: He's got a relatability which is really significant for everyone 205 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 2: who's involved in the game. I think they can relate 206 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: to Swani. He is the everyman, and he listens to radio, 207 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: he watches Steve, he watches the shows. Every time you 208 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: run in and talk to him, he can he's I 209 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: saw you do this, I heard you say that. So 210 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 2: now he's across the game from head office, and he's 211 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: across the game in a way that the man in 212 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: the hod is across the game. And that's what's going 213 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: to hold him in great stead, I think. 214 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: So what can he do in the short term? The 215 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: main projects will be what does he do in the 216 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: immediate aftermath of the season. What does he put to 217 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: the commission through October and November for the structure of 218 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: a fresh season. But he clearly has a mandate and 219 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: a directive around the length of quarters and the overall 220 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: length of the game. And you've been dogmatic about this, 221 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: You've helped us understand and watched the progression of it, 222 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: just the breaking of time slots and the absurd amount 223 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: of time and what can be done. And he has 224 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: a view that he could make an impact on this 225 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: by next. 226 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: Week's one hundred percent across this. And this is the 227 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 2: challenge for him is to be able to do this 228 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 2: in such a way that it's. 229 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: Not jarring for anyone. 230 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: And it's not jarring to cut this game back by 231 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: four minutes at least to get it back to what 232 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 2: it was in twenty twenty one. 233 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: And he will take. 234 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: The simplistic options which won't impact in a major way. 235 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: It'll be I'm not going to wait for the two 236 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: ruckmen now, MPI, I can now say you ready, you're ready, yep, yep, 237 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: and go and go where you go. That sort of stuff, 238 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: I think is the sorts of things that he could 239 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: implement really quickly, and I think it'd be great for 240 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: the game. 241 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: But he'll do it in a manner that. 242 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: Is sustainable and won't upset the status quo of what 243 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: has been the twenty twenty five season. 244 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 3: But I'm looking forward to the off season massively. 245 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that the project around the umpire, in which 246 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: he gave voice to the simplifications of the rules what 247 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: Adam Simpson laid out as the nineteen catchments of the 248 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: stand rule, and we know the various layers to hold 249 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: in the ball. It's getting something that is easily identifiable 250 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 1: and can be implemented without all the layers of confusion 251 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: and confection that's been added to it. 252 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: I feel like we've had our handheld really well by 253 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: those boys who've invested their own time in the umpiring 254 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: and are here every week. So we've invested in the 255 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: whole debate and the issue. So I feel like I've 256 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: got an understanding of of how that can be simplified, 257 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: not saying it's easy, but how that can be easier 258 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 2: for them down the track at some stage. 259 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: But that would be more off season. Those big changes 260 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 3: aren't going to be. 261 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: Made down you're triggered by descent. Yesterday we went alone 262 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: in this moment. 263 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 3: NA it was just this is. 264 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: What is this what frustrates people when it comes to 265 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: unpuiring And so. 266 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever listen here? Is that 267 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 3: sound up? I'm not here? 268 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: So this is the level of dissent That slight little 269 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: indication to the school board. 270 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 3: Was enough for that? 271 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: So is that the standard we are expected to embrace 272 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: as commentators as supporters to understand and then be able 273 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: to impart that understanding to. 274 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: Our viewers and listeners. 275 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: Because if that's the case, then that is a nonsense 276 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: and it's embarrassing and they know it, and you know it. 277 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 3: Everyone knows it. 278 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 2: I've seen players do one hundred times worse than that, 279 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: and I'll show you something. And they've pointed to the 280 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 2: school board and they and I've been mentioned this on 281 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: the show. I mentioned it Son Radio. I said, uh, well, 282 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: that descent's gone out of the window. So it was 283 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: hardcore for a while. Brad Scott bought it in. I 284 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: was supportive, Okay, let's be hardcore, get it back to 285 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: respecting the Umpires because there was a challenge at the 286 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: Umpiring fraternity won't grow on the back. 287 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: Of the abuse and everything else. 288 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: So it was zero tolerance and we all had to 289 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: suck that up and let people going, oh, I think, 290 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: and then. 291 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: It just slowly got released. 292 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: And then it was up to us to work out 293 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: where you know, where the water watermarker is and for 294 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: some reason it's just been let go and they go, well, 295 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: you guys, work it out, you know, and we'll work 296 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: it out. And so then you get that and that 297 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: wasn't too bad. Then you get a bit more comes 298 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: in Haret former Aris Andrews, and then you get a 299 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: little bit more in the form of all these mikes. 300 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: Look at it. Now, that's the that's the scene, that's 301 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 3: the sense, and yet. 302 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: That's not a fifty and that poor bugger on the 303 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: weekend just at a gentle point to this like this, 304 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: like this, don't tell me that that is fifty meters. 305 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: So just come out and say, look, yeah, got it wrong. No, 306 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: no hanging your fence, but try and take us along 307 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: for the ride, which we don't have to sit there 308 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: in the middle of a blockbusting game at the MCG 309 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: and go on. Now your painting around nineteen so we've 310 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: got a final series coming up. Clear it up before 311 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: the finals, absolutely, clear it up. Is that zero tolerance, 312 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: because it's not right now. I just showed you it's 313 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: not zero torrance. 314 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: Is it the thirteen that have been paid or is 315 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: it one hundred and thirty? 316 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: And is it the five Adelaide crows bokes doing handstands 317 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: and doing backflips? 318 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 3: Is that defense or not? Clear that up before the finals? Please? 319 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: All right, here was Greg Sworden today. 320 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: If you're going to give away fifty meter penalties by 321 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 4: pointing at the scoreboard or whatever, and everybody knows you 322 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 4: don't do it, then the coaches will go nuts. So 323 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 4: I know there was one paid yesterday, but my understanding 324 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 4: I asked about that this morning. There's been thirteen of 325 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 4: those paid this year, so it's not just that one. 326 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 4: But yeah, then, and people will point out that some 327 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 4: got missed as well. But I mean, I think everybody 328 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 4: knows you're not allowed to do that, So don't do 329 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 4: it zero all four day. 330 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do it unless you shave Bolton. Then you 331 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: do it and you get away with it, and then 332 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: everyone goes, oh, you can do. 333 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 7: It all right. 334 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: The onfield, a landmark moment for justin longview was Fremantle yesterday. 335 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: You were there for it. It's the ultimate test. Collingwood at 336 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: the MCG They came from behind and prevailed. Now what 337 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: would it lead to next? 338 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 7: The motto we've lived by over the last eight weeks, 339 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 7: eight ten weeks of just living the moment and making 340 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 7: sure we win each day. 341 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 5: How big wol this speak for Fremantle to get a 342 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 5: win over the top of the pops Collingwood at the 343 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 5: Ham and footy I need to prove anything to the 344 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 5: footy world, but that would have proved to themselves. 345 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: Omiah about sing goal. 346 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 6: The biggest test in football is the Collingwood MCG last 347 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 6: quarter test, the frantic pony. 348 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 9: Looks. 349 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 6: I can't party club, I can't run everywhere when. 350 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 7: You get asked those questions a lot and don't really 351 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 7: sit and rank my wins. But coming here and planning 352 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 7: against the best team in the com isn't it easy? 353 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 7: You come and play at the meg Miaomi as well 354 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 7: as the team and obviously playing good footy sae ruy gutsy. 355 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 5: How big is this moment for them? Jackson Poll? 356 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 10: Look, I think there's one of those wins there really 357 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 10: smakes you stop believing that you're capable. 358 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: You just gotta give us up a chance and it's 359 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: abady done. 360 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 6: This is as big as you can remember here for 361 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 6: the free footy club, and. 362 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 9: They're on us there. 363 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 8: It is they've passed the tests. 364 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: It is a. 365 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: Coloss or Ross got free bat or they're beaten Collingwood 366 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: at the color Sam. 367 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 3: You want to play with the growing arms, then you 368 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: do on free Mail and just then they're out of 369 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: the christ there with the big boys. 370 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: Right now they're taking out Collingwood at the MCG for 371 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: like away finals. 372 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 7: Book live in the moment, I understand we've got processes 373 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 7: to be able to enjoy winds, move on from winds, 374 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 7: and then prepare for the opposition. And our fans can 375 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 7: get excited. Absolutely, people within pretty club will get excited, 376 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 7: But as far as a coaching group and players are concerned, 377 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 7: we're just going to enjoy this and then move on. 378 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: There's wins and there's winds. So this is one of 379 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: those winness. 380 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 4: I mean, that's three and a half hour plane ride 381 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 4: all the way home. That will be really satisfied. 382 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: You've had twenty four hours to contemplate that gas and 383 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: I thought the echoes of what Justin Longmure said in 384 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: the aftermath, and knowing that they've been caught up in 385 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: the flag mantle stuff in the past which wasn't of 386 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: their making, but just the big picture and aspiring no, no, no, 387 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: narrow it down, which took me back to you laid 388 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: out footy broke. When Casher chips in, they are reinvesting. 389 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: They are a team that is graduating. 390 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 9: Yeah. 391 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: We spoke about this early, did we. Yeah, And that 392 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: is that you invest in your game, invest in a performance. 393 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: And you get the win. 394 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: And they just cashed out this habit of cashing out 395 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: and they end up being footy break. Well, they're now 396 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: banking wins, so eight of nine if you don't mind, 397 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: and they now get themselves into a situation where. 398 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: They're fates in their hands. 399 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 2: But of those eight wins, they're against four four wins 400 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: against top eight side. 401 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: So it wasn't just the weekend. 402 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: I know they're under a lot of pressure and the 403 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: win on the weekend yesterday was really special. But their 404 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: form line stacks up and that's what should be giving 405 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: them great confidence. And then you get to yesterday against 406 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: the best team in the competition. They're down twenty contested 407 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: possession plus thirty and in turnover jared twenty three inside 408 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: fifties they gave up to Collingwood and they had to 409 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 2: absorb thirty five inside fifty pressures inside fifty tackles absorbed, 410 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: or that they had one possession in their ford fifty. 411 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 2: In the third quarter, the margin gets to twenty two 412 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: points against Collingwood at the mcg and they win. That's 413 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 2: a win of substance and the way they did it 414 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: was unbelievable. In the last quarter at twelve, Hayden Young 415 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: had eleven when he came on as a sub. Jackson 416 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: goes and kicks the clutch goal Son. There was a 417 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: lot to like about that. But the pleasing thing is 418 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 2: is there we bank that and then we go back 419 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 2: to work. And I love the messaging that's coming out 420 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: of Frio. They've got work to do, but by hell, 421 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: they earned some respect yesterday. 422 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: They have to shed their safe skin to win it, 423 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: and it did suit them. And there was that emblematic 424 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: moment which you picked up at the time, which is 425 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: Banfield to Young, Yes, to Jackson and people. 426 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: You know, I listened to the to the reviews. Why 427 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: don't they play like that all the time. The simple 428 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: fact of the matter is Collingwood didn't let them. And 429 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 2: that's what happens when you play Collingwood, who were out there. 430 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: It was as good a Ford pressure game that Collingwood 431 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: didn't post. So if it get too expansive under that pressure, 432 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 2: you just give up even more scores from turnover, which 433 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: they did anyway. But as it wore down and a 434 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: little bit of the heat came out of it and 435 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: a little bit of that pressure dissipated, then and what 436 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 2: and what perhaps hasn't been done in the past, then 437 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: when that kicks there take it. 438 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: And that's a legitimate critique of them. 439 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: But as soon as that was their bang, that was 440 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: hit and it was symbolic that Hayden Young's left boot 441 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: just reminded everyone what they've been missing. 442 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: And then Luke Jackson kicks the clutch goal. 443 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: The final moments of the game featured Darcy Moore dropping 444 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: his knees into Josh Tracey. It's a fifty penalty, but 445 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: nothing more. It doesn't feature and the MROs readout at 446 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: all today. 447 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 3: I didn't see this because these were the thrilling last moments. 448 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: We're all going to be crazy in the in the 449 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: box getting involved, but this is not a good look 450 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: from the Collingwood captain. I'm surprised that he wasn't given 451 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: a fine, to be perfectly honest, dropping double knees into 452 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: the back of There was no reason to do that, 453 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: to drop your knees into the back of the play 454 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: when he's in that situation. 455 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 3: So I don't know why wasn't that side Yeah. 456 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: Well presumably it was reached the threshold. 457 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 2: There was a moment there where you just where Clark 458 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: got really upset and you just sawt o know, you guess, 459 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: back off here the game The game's in the balance 460 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: and the game shot by that stage. But a turnover 461 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 2: right there costs on the wind. But yeah, no, I 462 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: don't think Darcy would have been and I think he 463 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: looked back at that and be too proud of that. 464 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: But that would have only been a fine. I'm not 465 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: suggesting a suspension. But anyway, credit to the Freemantle Footall Club. 466 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: It was a terrific performance. 467 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: The judgment that has come from the end of my 468 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: MRO is to go to the tribunal later this week 469 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: with Steven May and it's the next test case in 470 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: the way that players are asked to contest the ball 471 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: and the duty of care that is to be shown. 472 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 9: You know, Steve's whole intent was to get the ball, clearly, 473 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 9: you just look at it pure intent. It was purely 474 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 9: for the ball. 475 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 10: If both players were in line with the ball, seemed 476 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 10: to be attacking it to be fair. If I'm being 477 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 10: really honest, and both sort of making a play at 478 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 10: the ball, maybe one person was one step lay. 479 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 6: Kicks a little boyer who's streaming towards half ballard half 480 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 6: past over the top oft Eves was ball chance one 481 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 6: originally the other de collision as ever, just cleaned up May. 482 00:20:54,119 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: Have decision to make Evan's cod fIF got over his head. 483 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: Frank Stay, that was a huge it to do. 484 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 7: I find he didn't lift the arm. 485 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 8: He was desperate to go for the ball. 486 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 7: He put the hands down for the ball. I mean 487 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 7: he probably these days you have to step out of 488 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 7: the way, don't you. 489 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a left good not to pull out. 490 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 7: He was wanting to play the footage for the last second. 491 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 5: He's done the little breaks and. 492 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 7: That's all that takes. 493 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 9: Unfortunately, I don't know whether our game is capable of 494 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 9: allowing that anymore. 495 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: He picked him off. It's as simple as that. He 496 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: knew exactly what he was doing and he picked him off. 497 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: This this is from a bygone era. I don't know, 498 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 3: other than not compete, what can Stephen may do? 499 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: There? 500 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 7: He looks not last he does? What else could I do? 501 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 6: He's also he's off the Tom Lynch mold. 502 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 3: Yes, who doesn't mind hurting the opposition though, So that doesn't. 503 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: Help with that history either. 504 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 9: And unfortunately, in the game we're playing, there's got to 505 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 9: be coach slightly different because we know any sort of 506 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 9: contact like that and Hi, he's going to be looked 507 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 9: at and looked at really really closely. 508 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 8: This is six weeks, he's played his last game for 509 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 8: the season. 510 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: He's in a bit of Bonnie rubble unfortunately, so a concussion, 511 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: a broken nose and a displaced tooth. That's what Francis 512 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: Evans wears. The process here is really interesting as Michael 513 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: Christian referred this directly to the tribunal rather than issually 514 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: in a three match band. It was created as careless, 515 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: high and severe. I think that that's an acknowledgment of 516 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: how in the margins this is. So had a three 517 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: match ban been issued, Melbourne have to challenge put up 518 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: ten grand. This way, it sort of goes to arbitration. 519 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: This is to be argued and decided, and from what 520 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: we gather, the AFL is not going to ask for 521 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: more than three weeks, so they haven't referred it to 522 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: the tribunal to max out the penalty. This has been 523 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: sent as a true test case and it will swing 524 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: largely on the evidence of Stephen May. Before I get 525 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: to that, just give me your view as a former player. 526 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: So at watching it live, I thought he was a 527 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: genuine play on the ball, absolute genuine player on the ball, 528 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: and we all see him differently and I congratulate all 529 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: the discourse over this. There hasn't been anything over the top. 530 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 3: I'd argue. I don't think he tried to pick him off. 531 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 3: I don't think that's what he was the intention was. 532 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: But what we're going to get down to is what 533 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: can be acceptable in a second, because the minute, not 534 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: a minute, there's milli second where May decides that he's 535 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: not going to get there, because I think right up 536 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: till there, he's absolutely genuinely thinking he can get to 537 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 2: that footy first, and then it's about what's acceptable in 538 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: that split second. What can he do, what's accepted, what 539 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: he's expected to do in a circumstance like that. 540 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 3: And I don't think he braced. 541 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: I don't think he covered up to try and clean 542 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 2: him up, if you like, if or pick him off, 543 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: as one of the boys said, I think it was 544 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: just okay, I'll maintain my momentum forward here and the 545 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: body the contact came to his shoulder. And then so 546 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: that they're going to argue, I would imagine the anfl 547 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: will argue the minute the second. 548 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 3: At the minute, the split second. 549 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: You realize you weren't going to get that footy, you 550 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: needed to either stop not stop but slow down and 551 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: cover and throw your arms out, for instance. 552 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: Is that something that he could be expected to have done? 553 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: So I think that Alex Pierce case is instructive here. 554 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: It's not the same because ones a marketing contest and 555 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: one's a groundball. But I do think reading back over 556 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: it today is some of some of what's the measuring. 557 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: The decisive elements were hold. The first is that the 558 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: tribunal made an absolute virtue that the evidence Pierce gave 559 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: was thoughtfully given and it was obvious that he endeavored 560 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: to answer truthfully. So this will swing hugely on Stephen 561 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: May's evidence at the tribunal, whether he's able to explain 562 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: precisely what he did and whether it measures up with 563 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: the vision the Pierce case swung on. And I'll just 564 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: relate this to me, did May have a realistic chance 565 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: of winning the ball until the very last moment? Oh, 566 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: it's got his hands down, balls coming towards him, then 567 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: the ball sits up. 568 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 3: I would argue that he absolutely thought. 569 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: He had to play on the ball, and then when 570 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: he realized he wasn't going to get to the ball, 571 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: did he do anything to minimize the contact? 572 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's going to be that's in the margins. 573 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: Did he do anything to maximize contact, absolutely not. Did 574 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 2: he cover up, did he jump off the ground, did 575 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: he turn his body? I'd say no. And he's reasonable 576 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: then to expect him to have been able to minimize 577 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: because I don't think Alex Pierce did. I think, well, no, 578 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: Alex Pearce was coming with a velocity that continued on. 579 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: He didn't bring his arm up or anything like that. 580 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 2: And I looked at the Alex Peers thing a lot 581 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: this morning as well, so I don't think there's a 582 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: hell of a lot different. So look, it'll be an 583 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: arguable case, and whether he gets off is going to 584 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: be really interesting. I think the Alex Pearce case gives 585 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: him great hope to go there and put it and go. 586 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: He's on the pedestal as much as anyone. Steven May, 587 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: as you rightly said, I remember talking about Alex Pearce, 588 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: and you said, Alex Pearce is a very smart, thoughtful 589 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 2: you know, he can communicate really well, and that held 590 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: him in good stead. 591 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: So here's the challenge for Steve May. I think he 592 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: genuinely believes that he was hard done by