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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Lando Norris sweeps the sal Paolo Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix to take a twenty four point championship lead over

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Speaker 1: Oscar Piastre. But was that penalty that took Piastre off

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Speaker 1: the podium? Fair and Candy Australians still win the championship.

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Speaker 1: From here, my name's Michael Lamonato. It's great to have

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Speaker 1: your company, and the company of my co host. He

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Speaker 1: knows the difference between guidelines and regulations. It's Matt Clayton.

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Speaker 2: If you knew my life, Michael Lamonatto, there's probably an

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Speaker 2: argument that, in fact, I don't know the limits of

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Speaker 2: either of those two things that you just mentioned there.

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Speaker 2: But always good to join you and I thought you

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Speaker 2: were going to go with a sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: black arm bands in King's Lynn sort of intro this week,

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Speaker 2: because in case you hadn't known, George Russell has now

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Speaker 2: been mathematically eliminated from this year's Formula one World Championship,

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Speaker 2: So we should pour one out for George and concentrate

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Speaker 2: on the people who might actually win.

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Speaker 1: At this point, it's the dream of the British one

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Speaker 1: two win the championships finally snuffed over the sad days.

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Speaker 1: Sad days for British commentators everywhere this weekend I think

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Speaker 1: momentus weekend for the championship for none of the right reasons.

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Speaker 1: If you're an Oscar Piastre fan or an Australian. The

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Speaker 1: championship gap has blown out, as I said, to twenty

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Speaker 1: four points with three rounds remaining. Obviously, we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into some of Piastre's difficulties and what went wrong

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Speaker 1: this weekend to blow that out from one point ahead

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Speaker 1: of this weekend out to almost a full race win.

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Speaker 1: But let's start with Lando Norris before he gets forgotten

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Speaker 1: in the dissection of that, because another great weekend for him,

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Speaker 1: just the second time he's won back to back Grand Prix,

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Speaker 1: and the first time was when he inherited the lead

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Speaker 1: in the British Grand Prix early this year from Piastre

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Speaker 1: to another penalty. This is second week in a row

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Speaker 1: he's been performing at a very high level. This weekend.

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Speaker 1: To my mind, Matt looked in some ways even more

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Speaker 1: impressive than Mexico. While he absolutely dominated Mexico, conditions were

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Speaker 1: harder this weekend than McClaren. Carr didn't have the advantage

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Speaker 1: but really made very few to no meaningfulness and as

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Speaker 1: a result is very comfortably leading the championship.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, you'd have to say, I mean, he has

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Speaker 2: been absolutely lights out these past two rounds. I mean

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Speaker 2: it was the start. I think he's led one hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty of the past one hundred and forty two

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Speaker 2: race laps across Mexico and South Palo And you mentioned

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Speaker 2: maybe this was more impressive than Mexico because there were

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Speaker 2: many more trip wires this weekend with conditions and just

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Speaker 2: the nature of that track we talked about into Lagos

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Speaker 2: last week is it's just one of those circuits where

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Speaker 2: things happened, and this weekend this year was no different

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Speaker 2: to previous races into Lagos, but things happened to other people.

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Speaker 2: Norris just sailed serenely along pole position one the sprint,

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Speaker 2: led basically every lap of the Grand Prix that actually mattered.

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Speaker 2: And you know, there's two sides to this coin. Obviously

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Speaker 2: we're going to focus on the Osco Piastri side being

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Speaker 2: Australian's on an Australian podcast. But it's undeniable that whatever

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Speaker 2: it is that's happened in these past two rounds. There

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Speaker 2: was an opportunity for someone to step up and raise

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Speaker 2: their game, and no matter what you may think about

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Speaker 2: Landa Norris, perhaps the coverage or anything along those lines,

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Speaker 2: he has absolutely stepped up to the plate and been

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Speaker 2: the best version of himself these past two weekends. Has

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Speaker 2: barely put a foot wrong. And you know, it's just

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Speaker 2: really interesting to see what the end of these seasons

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Speaker 2: does to various drivers, whether they're experienced in winning World

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Speaker 2: championships or not. He has been, as I said, lights

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Speaker 2: out for two straight weekends, outstanding in and of itself,

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Speaker 2: but then what that means for the championship narrative now

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Speaker 2: relative to the performance of the other guys that he

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Speaker 2: and now he's in a very very strong position.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just think it is worth emphasizing that

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Speaker 1: last week we did the little conspiracy debunking episode on

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Speaker 1: all the reasons why. Yeah, things you've read on Facebook

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Speaker 1: probably aren't what's going on at McLaren. You can continue

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Speaker 1: Sunday mornings, it was here first lap of Q three,

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Speaker 1: Norris is all over the shop trying to execute and

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't have happened in the first half of the year.

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Speaker 1: But the mindset he's unlocked, or the processes that he's

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Speaker 1: there's he looks a lot again to go back to

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Speaker 1: the first part of the season, he looks like Piastre

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Speaker 1: from about four months ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does. And this is the thing that you

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Speaker 2: can come up with ways to to alleviate or mitigate

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Speaker 2: And that inflection point in Q three then is exactly

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Speaker 2: top because we saw this. This was a repeat narrative

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Speaker 2: Q three very differently to the Lando Norris in the

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Speaker 2: fourth last round of the season. It shows you the evolution,

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Speaker 2: but you've still got to execute that under pressure and

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Speaker 2: given the Interlagos is a place just by virtue of

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Speaker 2: So for him to be able to pull that out

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Speaker 2: earlier in the season that's not the way that would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just I like that idea. We've been saying the

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Speaker 1: last week or so that it's essentially a four round championship.

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Speaker 1: He's taken exactly the same number of points out of

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Speaker 1: Oscar Piastri that he did in Australia and it took us,

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Oscar perhaps took Oscar four rounds to get

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Speaker 1: So that some raw mathematics for you there. The lead

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Speaker 1: is the biggest it's been for Landon Norris all year.

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Speaker 1: Could see that extra point from before this round. It's

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Speaker 1: the fourth largest gap between the McLaren drivers all season,

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Speaker 1: after only the points Norris lost from that engine problem

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Speaker 1: We'll wait and see how it evolves there. But let's

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Speaker 1: move to Oscar Piastri's weekend now, And of course let's

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Speaker 1: start with that penalty could have maybe should have finished

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Speaker 1: with Andrea Kimi Antonelli. Hu in turn, of course, wiped

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Speaker 1: reading consensuss this was a racing internet among most sectors

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Speaker 1: more generally about Piastre taking the risk in the first place,

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Speaker 2: It was relevant passport? Who would have thought that would

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. But this is interesting because the way

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Speaker 2: But my first thought was I thought, oh, the penalty

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Speaker 2: this racing incident. Perhaps I thought it was harsh at

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Speaker 2: leaning towards in retrospect, probably racing incident. But the problem

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Speaker 2: the time penalty was brutal for Oscar and it completely

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Speaker 2: changed the way his race played out. But I didn't

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Speaker 2: And the key driver in all of this was Antonelli,

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Speaker 2: because he'd been courtnapping a little bit at the restart

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Speaker 2: by Norris. He was immediately under pressure from Leclaire, who

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Speaker 2: way these things are adjudicated now played a huge part

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Speaker 2: in this, because you could almost argue that if Piastre

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Speaker 2: in this incident, the way the rules are adjudicated these days,

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Speaker 2: the way these rules are applied is the issue, which

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: What's your feeling after this round where the championship was

434
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Speaker 1: very difficult now with three rounds to go, but where

435
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Speaker 1: he stands in terms of pace as we head towards

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Speaker 1: these three final Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was the first time in a

438
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Speaker 2: little while. I mean, look, he raced quite well in

439
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Speaker 2: Mexico too. You have to go back to that. He

440
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Speaker 2: was just bottled up in the pack. And we talked

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Speaker 2: last week about the feistinness that the battle with George

442
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Speaker 2: Russell and Mexico, which was a good sign. It was

443
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Speaker 2: a bit of the old Oscar Re emerging, if you like.

444
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Speaker 2: And yeah, the pace was good after he'd got rid

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Speaker 2: of those flat spoted ties you would write, But so

446
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Speaker 2: much of this is Saturday now, and I mean, I

447
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Speaker 2: know you've done some a bit of a deep dive

448
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Speaker 2: on the qualifying deficit and how that's now becoming a

449
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Speaker 2: recurring theme for Piastre still racing quite well. He is

450
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Speaker 2: a very good racer. We know that, we see that

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Speaker 2: with the wheel to Will Staff. But when you're always

452
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Speaker 2: starting from either a neutral or disadvantageous position, harder and

453
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Speaker 2: harder to make inroads at this point, particularly when you're

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Speaker 2: not the one controlling the championship picture anymore. I think

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Speaker 2: that's a key part to all of this. He is

456
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Speaker 2: not a cause to be desperate yet, but there's a

457
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Speaker 2: different mindset and body language and approach when you're the

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Speaker 2: person in the ascendency as opposed to the person it's

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Speaker 2: either just behind or significantly behind as he is now.

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Speaker 2: The race pace was good, but you've got to be

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Speaker 2: in a position to deploy it.

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Speaker 1: I think that is a good call. Let's move now

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Speaker 1: to Move of the Week, brought to you by Shannon's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of racing on this weekend between MotoGP

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Speaker 1: and Formula one. Matt, where are you going to.

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Speaker 2: Start up a little bit of racing? My goodness, the

467
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Speaker 2: previous weekend we'd had no racing. This weekend too much racing,

468
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Speaker 2: But you can't have everything the way you want it now.

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Speaker 2: In true tradition, for this particular segment, I'm going moves

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Speaker 2: plural of the week and this is something you haven't

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Speaker 2: watched yet. We were talking about this offline before and

472
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Speaker 2: you need to spend nineteen minutes of your day catching

473
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Speaker 2: up with this. The sprint race at the Portuguese Motor

474
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Speaker 2: GP on the weekend at the ALGAF circuit might be

475
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Speaker 2: a top three sprint race i've seen since Murder GP's

476
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Speaker 2: got into this format for the last three years, and

477
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Speaker 2: we were talking before about one of the things I

478
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Speaker 2: love Aboutmurder GP is a great pack battle, but sometimes

479
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Speaker 2: the intensity of a one on one battle for any position,

480
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Speaker 2: but particularly the lead, can be really really great TV.

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Speaker 2: So we had Alex Marquez and Pedro Acosta in that race.

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Speaker 2: They swapped the lead four times on lap six alone,

483
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Speaker 2: and it was literally corner to corner, and it was

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Speaker 2: twelve laps where you could have thrown, quite frankly, a

485
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Speaker 2: tetowl over the two of the Marquis won by one

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Speaker 2: tenth of a second after twelve laps twenty odd minutes.

487
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Speaker 2: That felt like the last lap. For twelve laps, it

488
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Speaker 2: was absolutely fantastic TV, and you've got a situation where

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Speaker 2: you've got a guy who's had his career best season

490
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Speaker 2: in marques on the best bike in the field, and

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Speaker 2: someone in Pedro Acosta who still has not won a

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Speaker 2: sprint or a Grand Prix in his second full season

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Speaker 2: but could not, frankly come any closer and just threw

494
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Speaker 2: the absolute kitchen sink at Marquees on an inferior b

495
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Speaker 2: like and just about pulled it off. And the risk

496
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Speaker 2: taking in the fine margins, the moves, multiple multiple moves

497
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Speaker 2: in that race are very, very worthy of this category.

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Speaker 2: So if you haven't seen it, like you go and

499
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Speaker 2: watch it because it was one of those weird times

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Speaker 2: where I did want to watch the highlights of it

501
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: again because there were so many amazing moves in that

502
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Speaker 2: spring that you almost lost track of them. So that's

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Speaker 2: my nomination for this week. But I'm suggesting, given that

504
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Speaker 2: we've got two Formula One races on a Saturday and

505
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Speaker 2: a Sunday, you're going to add a couple of extra

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Speaker 2: wheels here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a great race, well, one of the worst

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Speaker 1: weekends time zone wise on the motorsport calendar for Australia.

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Speaker 1: I think so It still.

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Speaker 2: Takes a BITI a worse one for me to.

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Speaker 1: Catch up on all of the action. But I'm going

512
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Speaker 1: to go to Formula one. I'm going to go to

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Speaker 1: the sprint race. Is this the move that could win

514
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Speaker 1: Lando Norris the World championship? Getting on the curbs, spraying

515
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Speaker 1: the water behind him on to Kimianta Valley towards Oscar

516
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Speaker 1: Piastre's car causes three cars to crash off the track. Piastre,

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Speaker 1: then Holkenberg and Colo Pinto. No one remembers the last

518
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Speaker 1: two crashes, but every other remembers Piastre off there because

519
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Speaker 1: of that water that had been kicked up by Lando Norris.

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00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: Very unfortunate for Oscar. But what do you use George

521
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Speaker 1: Russell's words, what a great Mario cart move from Lando Norris?

522
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it. I did enjoy that quote, and

523
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Speaker 2: it was a little bit like that. It was the

524
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Speaker 2: equivalent of just tossing a banana over your shoulder and

525
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Speaker 2: having everyone slip up on it. I did thoroughly enjoy that,

526
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Speaker 2: And yeah, it was one of those things in and

527
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Speaker 2: off the moment you're like, oh, okay, Pstre's gone off there,

528
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Speaker 2: But then when you saw the replays and the effect

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Speaker 2: that it had for the cars immediately behind. If it

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Speaker 2: was it wasn't intentional, let's be honest. But if it

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Speaker 2: was deliberate and intentional, then let's just give Lando Norris

532
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Speaker 2: the World Championship right now, because if you've got the

533
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Speaker 2: capability of doing something like that, you are the best

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Speaker 2: driver in Formula One. But yeah, it was quite the

535
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Speaker 2: move to make a little bit of mistake and then

536
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Speaker 2: provide the banana skin for others to slip up on.

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Speaker 2: I did enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, very unfortunate and notably, I think I was reported

539
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Speaker 1: in the race that those curbs were given a drain

540
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Speaker 1: for Sundays, so that funny that that could not happen again.

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Speaker 1: So Norris the first driver to pull that move off.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at some of the other talking points from

543
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Speaker 1: this Grand Prix would be amiss of us, despite of

544
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Speaker 1: course the championship being the main talking point for the

545
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Speaker 1: rest of the season. Not to mention Max for Stafford,

546
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Speaker 1: in one of his career best drives from pitt Lane

547
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Speaker 1: to the podium, even led the Grand Prix very briefly,

548
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Speaker 1: only the eighth time in Formula One history a driver

549
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Speaker 1: has gone from the pit lane to finish on the podium.

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Speaker 1: This was very reminiscent of last year's drive in Brazil

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Speaker 1: where he started seventeenth and won the Grand Prix. But

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Speaker 1: unlike last year, when it was wet there was a

553
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Speaker 1: red flag in the middle he capitalized on. This was

554
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Speaker 1: a regular old dry race from his perspective, and he

555
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Speaker 1: still managed to get all the way up there. How

556
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Speaker 1: impressive was it and how ironic is it that this

557
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Speaker 1: is the performance that actually probably counts him out of

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Speaker 1: the World Championship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, as funny if you were could have

560
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Speaker 2: put together a list of Max with Staffan's ten best

561
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Speaker 2: Formula One races, there'd be a few at Druce Rim

562
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Speaker 2: Inteligos at this point because he's done this a few times.

563
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Speaker 2: But we were talking before about this. Could you imagine

564
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Speaker 2: any other driver in modern day Formula One being able

565
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: to pull off what Verstappen pulled off on Sunday in Brazil.

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Speaker 2: The short answer is absolutely not. First driver by the

567
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Speaker 2: way to go from the pit lane to third. Thirty

568
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Speaker 2: six years ago, Nigel Mansel for Ferrari at the French

569
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Speaker 2: Grand Prix. A rare good news story for Ferrari on

570
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Speaker 2: this podcast, but he was the part about it that

571
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Speaker 2: for me was, look, it had the dreadful qualifying on

572
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Speaker 2: Sunday after the sprint sixteenth, they pulled the car off

573
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Speaker 2: the creed, stuck a new engine, and it made a

574
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Speaker 2: whole bunch of changes to my mind. When you saw

575
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Speaker 2: him come out of the pit lane, it was amazing

576
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Speaker 2: to watch the progress that he was making in the

577
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Speaker 2: early lapse particularly, and he also had a puncture, Let's

578
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Speaker 2: not forget that had to make an unscheduled stop earlier on.

579
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Speaker 2: But it was a performance that probably only he could

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Speaker 2: pull off, and it wasn't surprising in the slightest when

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Speaker 2: it happened. It wasn't one of those ones when I

582
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Speaker 2: was watching it thinking this is absolutely astonishing. I can't

583
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Speaker 2: believe this guy is doing this. I was more looking

584
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Speaker 2: at it saying, well, of course Max is going to

585
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Speaker 2: do this because it's interlig and it's Max, and he's

586
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: got the bit between his teeth and it's funny like

587
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: he Let's be honest, I mean, he could be eliminated

588
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 2: from World Championship contention in Las Vegas next time out.

589
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: The thing if points don't go his way, it's right

590
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: on the knife edge now. But whoever ends up winning

591
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: this World championship. To my mind, the gap between him

592
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Speaker 2: and whoever we're going to describe as the second best

593
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Speaker 2: driver in Formula One. He's not going to win a

594
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: championship for the first time in five years, but I

595
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: think the gaps increased, and it's because of performances like

596
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Speaker 2: Sunday that he is just on a complete plane as

597
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: a one of one at the moment. And yes, it

598
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: was amazing, but it also felt inevitable. And if you

599
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: can say those two things in the same sentence about

600
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Speaker 2: a driver, that probably explains just how good this guy is.

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Speaker 2: It was great to watch and not surprising in the

602
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Speaker 2: slightest Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember thinking, and we probably talked last year in

604
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Speaker 1: the second half of the year in particular, when the

605
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Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing car was just not that competitive, that

606
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Speaker 1: actually was probably serving to enhance for Staffan's reputation, at

607
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: least among those who didn't recognize his brilliance in a

608
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Speaker 1: car that was very easily winning the year before. I

609
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: think this year has done that, doubly so because he's

610
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Speaker 1: had so rarely a competitive car this year. We had

611
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Speaker 1: that run a month or so after the mid season

612
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: break where he was able to win races, but some

613
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Speaker 1: of his performances in a car that's not really worthy

614
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Speaker 1: of victories or poles. To go back to the start

615
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Speaker 1: of the year is Pole in Japan and his victory there, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Pole Lap in Saudi Arabia, his victory in Himula. He's

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Speaker 1: had some of his probably career great performances or maybe

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Speaker 1: just performances that are as good as all the others

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Speaker 1: but are more obviously so because of his machinery. But

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Speaker 1: this one for me has to I mean, I haven't

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Speaker 1: done a definitive ranking of Maxmastappans wins. Maybe there's another

622
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Speaker 1: one out there I'm forgetting, and this wasn't a win

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Speaker 1: obviously his performances. Rather, this has to be right near

624
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Speaker 1: the top, just because there were no curve balls in

625
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Speaker 1: his favor. In fact, like you said with the punk,

626
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: are probably only curveballs not in his favor. The one

627
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: thing that surprised me, though a little bit mad thinking

628
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: about the championship context here, he would have known, I

629
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Speaker 1: mean he said it himself lining up in the pit lane.

630
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Speaker 1: He didn't expect to be on the podium, so would

631
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Speaker 1: have already mentally been counting that championship cost and he's

632
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: already said after the race or championships done, there's no

633
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: point thinking about it. Now, he's got forty nine points

634
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: to make up. It's probably not going to happen one

635
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: would expect. But I was surprised that he wasn't left

636
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Speaker 1: out at the end of the race rather than making

637
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Speaker 1: that last stop to try and hold the lead. Because

638
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Speaker 1: for me, if you'd set this race up and given

639
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: me up to lap whatever was twenty laps ago, whatever

640
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: his last stop was, and said, what would red Bull Racing,

641
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: the team you know red Bull is, what will they

642
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: do here? I would have said, well, they're going to

643
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Speaker 1: leave him out. They're going to make Norris Parsons going

644
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: to defend extremely hard. I was surprised, considering there was

645
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: nothing to lose any way, even if he'd in the

646
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 1: end finished a k would have been underwhelming for him

647
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Speaker 1: not to get onto the podium, but to give himself

648
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Speaker 1: some shot of winning this race. That really took me

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Speaker 1: by surprise.

650
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the strange part about it the team that is

651
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: the most willing to wade into risk, you could say,

652
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: of any team in Formula One, and he was in

653
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: a position to answer that question that you just posed

654
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: then because of the risks they had taken and the

655
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: gambles they had taken the previous day to start him

656
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: from the pit lane. It was surprising that if you

657
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: don't believe you're in championship contention, then why not just

658
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: go through with it? Because you know you finished third,

659
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: shore you finished fifth, whatever, if you're out of contention anyway,

660
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: but you also might not have finished fifth. And I

661
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: was going to talk before I got myself got myself

662
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: a little lost on the way here, but I was

663
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: talking about the way he was cutting through the field.

664
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: There there is an intimidation factor to maxistappen in a

665
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: red bull when he's got a bit between his teeth.

666
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: But it's not just an attacking intimidation factor. There is

667
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 2: a defensive intimidation factor with him. Where if you are

668
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: driving the widest red bull of all time and if

669
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: you're Lando Norris up behind this and you're thinking, oh boy,

670
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: I've been here before, I know how this goes. I'm

671
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: in a really really good position. Norris has so much

672
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: to lose in that circumstance on a weekend where he's

673
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: potentially dominated, and that would have been so interesting from

674
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: a you know, Max would have been Well, you can

675
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: put your nose in there if you like, but you

676
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: know what might happen here, because this is what Mac stars.

677
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: We've seen it a million times. I was a little

678
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: bit surprised that it wasn't quite a Hail Mary at

679
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: this point. But if your red Bull, don't you ask

680
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: the question and then you see how it plays out.

681
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: Because if you're not going to win the championship anyway,

682
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: then you know it's one of those zero some costings.

683
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: You at least pose the question and see how McLaren

684
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: respond to this. So it was a great shame for

685
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: the theater at the end of the race because it's

686
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: a track where you can hold down into turn ones difficult.

687
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: We know that because of the rszone there, but the

688
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: rest of the track, Boy, that car would have been wide,

689
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't it if Norris was hovering around in the rearview?

690
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: So I would have loved to have seen that. But yeah,

691
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: a little surprise like you that red Bull got to

692
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: the precipice of taking a big swing and went maybe

693
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: we won't do that.

694
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, but I mean you can only assume

695
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: that what to everyone else, including engineers from other teams,

696
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: thought might have been a marginal call with the tire life,

697
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: considering you push them so hard. I only assume that

698
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: red Bull really knew those tires were not going to

699
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: make it, because otherwise it's hard to imagine the thinking

700
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: of this team not leaving me out. But anyway, we

701
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: missed one moment often brilliance in an otherwise tremendous afternoon.

702
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: From his performances, I want to go though, to the

703
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: man who beat him to second, a man child. I

704
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: don't know. He's nineteen years old, he's legally in Eldre

705
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: Kimmy Antonelli. His career best weekend, I'm pretty comfortable saying.

706
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's only been around for twenty one round

707
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: so it's not that hard to remember most of them.

708
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: But had the measure I thought really quite impressively of

709
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: George Russell for the entire weekend. He's a track of

710
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: course where Russell's won at before. He's made in Grand

711
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: Prix victory, so he does pretty well around here. Was

712
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: second in every meaningful session, sprint qualifying, sprint qualifying and

713
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: the rays and other than okay, well, we've talked about

714
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: that incident with Oscar Piastri. Maybe he didn't have to

715
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: close the door. But with that aside, was just rock

716
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: solid in a way I don't think we've seen from

717
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: him before.

718
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: Yes, the nemesis of kings Lynn. I mean you mentioned

719
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: twenty one Grand Prix starts nineteen years of age three

720
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: months ago. It was a very very accomplished performance. It

721
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: was one of those weekends where you didn't you know,

722
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: he didn't sort of get the path clear for him.

723
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: He made all his own lucky put himself in the

724
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: right positions. Yes, there's the the inexperience still shows from

725
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: time to time, and I don't think he's ever He's

726
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: not going to be a consistent driver at this early

727
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: stage of his F one career, but you look at

728
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: what he had coming into Formula one, and then even

729
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: the way this season has played out, it's been very uneven.

730
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: The peaks have been very peaky, the troughs have been

731
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: really poor. As we discussed through the oddly enough the

732
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: tracks that he's more familiar with as you go through Europe.

733
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: He was just absolutely fantastic and you felt that even

734
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: at the end where yes Verstappen on a run like

735
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: this was closing him down in the latter of stages.

736
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: But it never got super fraud or he didn't make mistakes.

737
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: He's very composed. He just looks so completely legit. And Mercedes,

738
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: you look at the look at the way Lewis Hamilton's

739
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: panned out at ferrarihas that's an associated story, but Mercedes

740
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: must be absolutely wrapped with the way he's coming along.

741
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: And this shapes to me is one of those weekends

742
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: that when he starts to win Grand Prix and becomes

743
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: a championship contender. And I said when, not if, because

744
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: it does feel like that's going to happen. This will

745
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: be one of those weekends we look back at and go, oh,

746
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: remember that weekend where he was just a really really

747
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: polished second and a difficult track on a difficult weekend,

748
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: and he had the raigning four time world champion trying

749
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: to pressure him into a mistake at the end of

750
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: the race. This is one of those ones you look

751
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 2: back at and go, oh yeah. But again a bit

752
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: like the verstapp and carving through the field thing. No

753
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: real surprise because you know how good the guy's talent is,

754
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: but in a situation like that, we've not seen him

755
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: necessarily under that sort of pressure. When the lapse sticking

756
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: down and did a really really good job.

757
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. That stat continues to baffle me,

758
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: the fact that he was so poor in Europe all

759
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: the tracks, Mercedes were sure we're going to be the

760
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: ones we can thank some points, turn up to a

761
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: circuit he's ever been to before, whether it's Canada or

762
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: here or wherever else, and he's on the podium and

763
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: scoring big points. Very strange, something I have to work

764
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: out for next year. I'm sure it'll be better next

765
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: year anyway, but must also be very satisfying for Mercedes,

766
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: considering it's easy for get how much. I don't know

767
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: if they've really ever felt that pressure, but in the

768
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: middle of the year there was a lot of talk

769
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: about this guy's just struggling. He's drowning at Mercedes in

770
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: Europe when George Russell was at his best. It's clearly

771
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: come back around. They were always I think, going to

772
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: stick with there anything was any risk of not doing it.

773
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: But it's clearly paying off whatever they're doing to manage

774
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: him mentally. Let's move now to our final segment, the

775
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: Crystal Ball for two by complete home Filtration. I no,

776
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna go back to what we talked

777
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: about last week. Our predictions were last week. That's for

778
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: the listener, for you to figure out how right or

779
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: wrong we were.

780
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to out myself here because this was just

781
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: so wrong. I'm happy to take a few slings and

782
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: arrows here because you know, I'm a big work and

783
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: handle it. My prediction last week was that Max with

784
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: staff would out score both McLaren's this week and reduce

785
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: the lead to below twenty five points with three rounds

786
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: to go. So yeah, that one goes straight in the

787
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: recycling bin. That was no good. But oh, where do

788
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: we go here? My crystal ball. I just don't see

789
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: this championship going to Abu Dhabi now. And it's funny that,

790
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: you know, the whole way we've been talking about this.

791
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: Oh it's going to be this three driver Abudhabi showdown.

792
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: It's going to be absolutely fantastic. I mentioned Max Vistappa before.

793
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: He's now forty nine points behind. He'll be eliminated. If

794
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: he's fifty eight behind after the next round in Las Vegas,

795
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: which is probable possible, I mean, he could be out

796
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: of it. We're two rounds to go, and you know

797
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: we talk about Piastre before. It's the biggest deficit he's

798
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: had all season. He's effectively one race behind with three

799
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: to play, and you know, you look at what it's

800
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: funny like you look back at the Monza pitstop swap

801
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: that they they made them. Do you know when Norris

802
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: had the dodgy pit stop and they McLaren swapped their

803
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: drivers around. That's going to look really really silly in retrospect,

804
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: isn't it? If Noris ends up winning the championship by

805
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: forty one points and we don't even get a live

806
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: Abu Dehby decider. But I'm hoping this is not the case,

807
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: because we do share the narrative here on this podcast

808
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: as we do in life. Let's be honest, but I'm

809
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: really struggling to see a situation now, given the four

810
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: of the drivers in the two orange cars and the

811
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: fact that the staffan's probably too far back. Now, I

812
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: find it hard to believe that Abu Dhabi is going

813
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: to be a live championship decider, which is not something

814
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: that we expected because this whole season has just been

815
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 2: building to actually making the Abu Derby Grand Prix something

816
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: we all wanted to watch, which has happened possibly three times, ever,

817
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: because most of the rest of them have been no good.

818
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a grim prediction for Australian fans. I think

819
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if Max mustappendruin it because he sort

820
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: of needs two almost DNFs from Norris to be alive

821
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: from in Aberdabi will need two very low scores from Norris.

822
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: The prospect of one maybe Vegas is coming up and

823
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: McLaren's probably not going to be that good there two

824
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: just seems a little bit unlikely. Piastre though, that's I

825
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: mean that What essentially that means is that he's not

826
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: going to be able to outscore Norris in the next

827
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: two races, which you've got to say, well, for that's

828
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: exactly right. He hasn't done it since in since the Netherlands,

829
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: which is.

830
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: Correct six rounds ago.

831
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the only thing I hope, The only thing

832
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: I hope man Horris's sake, as much as for mine,

833
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: is that it's not one in the sprinting cut up,

834
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: because what I'm going to say it what a crap

835
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: way to win your first one.

836
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: You have been for you have been warning us about

837
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 2: the possibility of this happening like Lando Norris finishes third

838
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: in the Katar spread race, Hooray, hooray, you're the world champion.

839
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: Like talk about letting the air out of the balloon there.

840
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: That would be what a lame way for a really

841
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: really fun, intense, exciting Formula One season to end at

842
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: four point thirty five am for Australian audiences when Lando

843
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 2: Norris finishes off the podium in the Katar Sprint and congratulations,

844
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: you are the world champion. It would be almost as

845
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: good as that year in Japan. Remember when they realized

846
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: that for stuff upon the championship a bit belatedly because

847
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: it was rating and people were pedalized and what have you. So, yeah,

848
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: but that was an inevitable championship. Where this one's been

849
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: up at the air for the best part of the season.

850
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: But now that I've deflated the crystal ball, perhaps you

851
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: can reinflate it a little bit with something more optimistic.

852
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's a not more optimistic. It's all negativity

853
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: of this program. I'm going to predict and we're going

854
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: to talk about this a bit more next week. I

855
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: think it deserves its own little talk topic, a bit

856
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: little bit about Ferrari some of the commentary not from

857
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: the medium man the chairman John Elkin having a crack

858
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: at the drivers for being the problem in the team.

859
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: My prediction is that yes, Ferrari is going to go

860
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: winless this season, first time since started that long ago

861
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, only the fifth time this century though.

862
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: Fred Vasser is going to get sacked two days after

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Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi and the team is going to go nowhere

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Speaker 1: for the next five to ten years because it feels

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Speaker 1: like before it's peaked. Maybe last year was the peak.

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Speaker 1: Second in the Constructors' Championship. It feels like the conditions

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Speaker 1: are there for another stupid long trough for Ferrari, historically

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Speaker 1: the greatest team in the sport, and what a disappointment

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Speaker 1: that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you stopped just short led of using the great

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Speaker 2: Ferrari term blood letting insert hyphen here. That might have

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Speaker 2: to happen as well. But the shocking part about the

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Speaker 2: double DNF for Hamilton and Leclair and Brazila will get

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Speaker 2: onto this at a future d is they are now

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Speaker 2: being beaten in the Constructors Championship by a team that

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Speaker 2: has one driver and possibly forgets it has a second driver.

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Speaker 2: In most cron Poerri and Red Bull Racing. That when

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Speaker 2: you've got that driver lineup at Ferrari is a storyline

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Speaker 2: we probably should have seen coming, but I certainly didn't.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, just underlines the woves, doesn't it?

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Speaker 1: Just quiet? I know this is now we talk about

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Speaker 1: next week, but you talk about the one team, one

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Speaker 1: car Red Bull beating Ferrari, I think is what is

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Speaker 1: it three to four points between them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What are the odds that? When Yuki Sanoda's dropped at

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Speaker 1: the end of the press or release, Laura Mecki is

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Speaker 1: quite and saying we thank him very much for securing

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Speaker 1: third in the constructor stamp inside.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was there, Yeah, he was there.

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Speaker 1: He's sixteen points whatever. It is crucial, crucial to overcoming Ferrari.

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Speaker 1: But that's the subject for next week and the rest

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Speaker 1: of the championship is still to come. But that's all

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