WEBVTT - #193 Michael Katsidis: The Former Boxing World Champion’s Rise, Fall & Comeback

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<v Speaker 1>Boris and this is straight talk. Michael Cats. Welcome mate

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<v Speaker 1>to straight talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very privileged to have you sit in front of

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<v Speaker 1>me like this, mate, privileged to be here. Turn it

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<v Speaker 1>up right mate, Okay, We've got a lot to cover. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, I'm a boxing student, tragic. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the game. But there's lots of talk about, particularly in

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<v Speaker 1>relation to your career. But probably importantly, take me back

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<v Speaker 1>to midwest. We call Queensland. Whether it's up on the

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<v Speaker 1>table lands, isn't it. Yeah, take me back to who

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<v Speaker 1>Michael CATSI this was as a young kid. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you box from a very young age. Amts

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<v Speaker 1>your dad a box at what's the deal?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, dad comes from Greece. He was born there.

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<v Speaker 2>He's from a very small, small village called Ataraki. It's

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<v Speaker 2>near Larissa, which is three hours in lands from Athens.

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<v Speaker 2>So you come over here when you I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was like twenty years old something like that and married Mum.

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<v Speaker 2>She's from Mari and they married to Ma. Yeah yeah yeah, mum,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah. But they were very young and they had

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<v Speaker 2>my brother and I. There's eighteen months difference between Stathi,

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<v Speaker 2>my older brother. We went on to go into our

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<v Speaker 2>respective sports. Well, I was. I was born later, born

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<v Speaker 2>in Timba, so I was born and bred out of

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<v Speaker 2>Timba and got into the boxing. My brother got into

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<v Speaker 2>the horse racing.

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<v Speaker 1>We both Stuffy was older than you. But was he

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<v Speaker 1>born in Toma too? He was.

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<v Speaker 2>He was actually born in Mare born. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>folks move out to but that's right, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>born eighteen months later, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And you just said stay went into the jockey. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we just went into the young kids. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so like our sport of kings. Really why did

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<v Speaker 2>choose boxing and racing, don't? I think it's the the adrenaline,

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<v Speaker 2>like the adrenaline rush that you get from the sports,

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<v Speaker 2>and just the challenge like like like I remember being

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<v Speaker 2>as a little kid and Dad used to go and help

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people that couldn't afford to have their

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<v Speaker 2>graves completed and that. So we had some people, old

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<v Speaker 2>people lived in our neighborhood and he'd talk to them

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd learned that he was a concreted by trade,

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<v Speaker 2>so that we'd spend like days on end, like on

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<v Speaker 2>a weekends, Daddo'd go and help these people do love

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<v Speaker 2>jobs basically. And we were in these graveyards till late

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<v Speaker 2>at night, and not late at night, but until dark basically,

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<v Speaker 2>which is late enough in a graveyard. And that'd be

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<v Speaker 2>finishing off these these boneheads for people's days. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was these old brumbies in there like charity

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<v Speaker 2>thing just just to help you just love jobs to

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<v Speaker 2>people who hadn't been other get you know, proper graves

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<v Speaker 2>complete for their parents and stuff. This has gone back

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<v Speaker 2>like forty you know, long thirty five years ago, at

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<v Speaker 2>least thirty eight years. But there's all these brumbies in

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<v Speaker 2>there in the graveyard and we'd jump on the horses

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<v Speaker 2>and we just ride them and like I just no

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<v Speaker 2>way not doing this bare back, bare back. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>jump him and my brother would just he would just

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<v Speaker 2>hang on. He would just go. He would just go.

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<v Speaker 2>He would fly, you know. He's yeah, he was fearless,

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<v Speaker 2>always fearless. And my grandfather, my mom's father, he's passed,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was a jockey and also a horse trainer

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<v Speaker 2>as well being timber has An Australia's first ever twilight

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<v Speaker 2>racing and Timber so very popular industry start. He just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>Years of age.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd go to the you know, go be cleaning out

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<v Speaker 2>stables and he'd work for these different people and just

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<v Speaker 2>very much involved in against him from a very young age.

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<v Speaker 2>He was always destined to be a jockey. That was

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<v Speaker 2>what he was always going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But he knew it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he just knew that's what he wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't finish school. He stept out grade nine. He

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<v Speaker 2>stepped out and then he just just become an apprentice.

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<v Speaker 2>And just I remember being a little kid ringing people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, just thirteen twelve years old, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>starthy cats is calling. I was wondering if you need

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<v Speaker 2>a jockey for the weekend on your and ring up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. He was just you know, you just keep

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<v Speaker 2>on going at and going on. And then he went

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<v Speaker 2>under be one of Australia's greatest horse riders.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would just give me a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of Toomba, you know long ago. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a long time ago now, but give me a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of what was like. I mean, you've got a Greek father.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, your Greek father would probably stand out like

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<v Speaker 1>in some of like warm but they're they're all real guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. And then you've got two half casts. One

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<v Speaker 1>one wants to be a stable hand and turn into

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<v Speaker 1>a joggy one day, and the other ones may be

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<v Speaker 1>going to become a box. He might be, but it

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<v Speaker 1>might not have worked that out. But his job, you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have worked that out. But like these two boys

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<v Speaker 1>running around the joint, like give me, give me a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a pen pen sketch of what it would

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<v Speaker 1>look like.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, look dad, Dad was a very hard worker. So

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<v Speaker 2>he was he was a concrete and he had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people working for him as well. Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just very dedicated guys, like to to our

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<v Speaker 2>sport and I think we for ours, for us to

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<v Speaker 2>receive any sort of gratitude, we would just work really

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<v Speaker 2>hard and do really well. So we always were pushed.

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<v Speaker 2>Our parents would always take us to sports and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we take we'd play soccer, you know, we'd play a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of soccer and whatever it is, activities, we'll get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Mum and Dad would always take us to it. So

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<v Speaker 2>but in Twimber, you know, for us, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>would blend in and and you know, but it's tumers

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<v Speaker 2>like it's a beautiful place, beautiful people country down but

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<v Speaker 2>now now it's actually a city. Has grown over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>But back when we were living there, there would have

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<v Speaker 2>only been like eighty thousand, one hundred thousand people. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's up to two hundred and two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty thousand people in Timber.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quite a wealthy area too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it has perpa per capita has for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time had the largest amount of millionaires really per capita.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, probably coming from grazing families or.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so so yeah, yeah, so like the lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the people, Yeah, that's exactly right. So people that

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<v Speaker 2>have big properties and all that, and then like I

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<v Speaker 2>end up having the luxury have been able to go

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<v Speaker 2>to a boarding school later on and we'll complete high school.

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<v Speaker 2>But in Wombera and Britain, yeah, Downlands College in Timber

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the kids that I was, I

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<v Speaker 2>was a day ago, so go by day and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>go home by night. But a lot of people were

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<v Speaker 2>from wealthy families on farms that they would want to

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<v Speaker 2>send their kids into town for a proper school, and

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<v Speaker 2>they'd send them to go to Downlands or grammar school.

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<v Speaker 1>Not many boxes you can say they got a background,

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<v Speaker 1>going to a good school.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and that's just how did you get that

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<v Speaker 2>sporting thing? No, yes, yeah, scholarship was one avenue that

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<v Speaker 2>we could have went along. But like boxing hasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>been an accepted sport, like back, we're going back a

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<v Speaker 2>while now, like I graduated in nineteen ninety eight. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, it wasn't boxing wasn't something a sport

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<v Speaker 2>that you would get a scholarship for, whereas now I

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<v Speaker 2>do believe people do get scholarships for boxing and someone.

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<v Speaker 2>But and soccer was a sport that I was always

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<v Speaker 2>really good as well. I paid representative soccer, but rugby

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<v Speaker 2>union or rugby league and those sort of things. Yet

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<v Speaker 2>you straight in, but.

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<v Speaker 1>What did your parents just send you there as a

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<v Speaker 1>just the fees?

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<v Speaker 2>They paid the fees, and you know, Dad was a

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<v Speaker 2>hard working man, and that's right, that's right. And so

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<v Speaker 2>it was like my I was lucky to have parents

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<v Speaker 2>that loved me and would support me and drive me

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<v Speaker 2>all the way. And my brother and I both you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like we knew when we were in trouble, Like Dad's

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<v Speaker 2>English wasn't always the best and there's always broken English,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh my luck you know, we pick up all

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<v Speaker 2>these swear words and we didn't really then we picked

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<v Speaker 2>on later in life what they really meant. But Greek, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well mum did speak great, she did. Mum was very intelligent,

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<v Speaker 2>so she was duck with the school five years and

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<v Speaker 2>this is but she was really smart. So she learned

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<v Speaker 2>language to cater for the family, to make dad's family

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<v Speaker 2>proud of her, you know, and you know and understand

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<v Speaker 2>them basically. But yeah, mum's very very very intelligent.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's around yeap. Mum.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad's still around yeah, yeah, but mum actually doesn't live

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<v Speaker 2>too far from Sitney, a little bit Aladalla now the south. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my dad is with me in Brisbane.

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys are coys and she's down here, that's right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as okay, so you're at school and at this stage

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<v Speaker 1>you're playing soccer, but we're just started thinking about boxing.

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<v Speaker 2>But like boxing, Like I was seven years old and

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<v Speaker 2>I watched the Rocky movies and that's just got me.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was like my earliest memory. Wasn't that young

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<v Speaker 2>as well? And I could say that would be like

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<v Speaker 2>six years old. So to me, it's like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>be in alive for about a year because my memory

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't go that back that fast. Just how I am.

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<v Speaker 2>That's me, right, but a bit of a knucklehead really

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But the boxing got me and I felt

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<v Speaker 2>really motivated and inspired and I planted to see Then

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I want to be world champion. This is

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<v Speaker 2>this is bad, but I said it to me. That

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<v Speaker 2>was what I always said it. And I would tell

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<v Speaker 2>everyone too, because I basically my heart on my sleeve

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd say everything that I thought all the time

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<v Speaker 2>and got me into a lot of trouble doing that

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Not like my brother, he was much more

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<v Speaker 2>quieter than me. But you know, we had this great relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>this great bond my brother and I. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, he just thought it was great that

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do boxing, and you know, eventually I

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<v Speaker 2>found boxing and that was when, you know, in Tormbo,

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine said, oh, we go down to

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<v Speaker 2>the PC icy and and yeah, yeah, And I went

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<v Speaker 2>down the piece of icy and did a bit of boxing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I went down and I got punched up and

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<v Speaker 2>I got two black eyes, you know, And the next

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<v Speaker 2>week I was able to get there to give me

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<v Speaker 2>a lift back down there again, I was like eleven

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<v Speaker 2>years old and I only got one black eye. So

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<v Speaker 2>for me that was a win. Yeah, because I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was so cool that these kids would go down

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<v Speaker 2>there and you get to really punch on and it

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<v Speaker 2>was really challenging. And for me to get one black

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<v Speaker 2>eye instead are two, that was a big win. For me.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a big winner. And it's just it just

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<v Speaker 2>progressed from there and this I was a kid that

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<v Speaker 2>was too scared even throwing my right hand, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>was really scared, like I didn't I didn't how to fight.

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<v Speaker 2>And then whenever there's any altercations, you know, there was,

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, like being in timber and being half caste,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak. And then you know, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>do it. You know, you get a bit of the

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<v Speaker 2>redneck thing, and there's always these little controversial type of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, when there's a fights or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because it can be rough at times, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I've always just wanted to go to

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<v Speaker 2>It was always just to tackle them. I never knew

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<v Speaker 2>how to box, so to learn how to box, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was still really scared just to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>throw my right hand and you know, just throw my

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<v Speaker 2>left hand, throw my left hand. And then I got

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<v Speaker 2>hit with a big one and that you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>big big shot and I just sort of I just

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<v Speaker 2>kicked and started coming out. So then then I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that I was a fighter then, and just the accolades

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<v Speaker 2>I've gotten, just the appreciation I thought in the Wilsonton

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<v Speaker 2>Hotel in Timber and you know, you know, and just

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<v Speaker 2>to get a win, you know, And I said to

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<v Speaker 2>myself for my next fight, I'm going to be throwing

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<v Speaker 2>both hands. I'm going to really be giving this a

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<v Speaker 2>real good go. And luckily that I did. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>waited in like thirty two point six kilo ground, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>how old, eleven years old, third two six yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had fish and chips just before. Wayne didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really know how that all sort of worked. So that

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<v Speaker 2>put me into thirty five kg division. Now three kill

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<v Speaker 2>those to a little kid. That's a lot of weight.

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<v Speaker 2>Luckily that I did say to myself that I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to fight really hard and throw a bed both hands,

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<v Speaker 2>because I did, and I went, I went flat out.

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<v Speaker 2>But the guy, really, the guy was good. The guy

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<v Speaker 2>was good. And if I didn't do that, he would

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<v Speaker 2>have really wanted me and I would have been really

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<v Speaker 2>licking my wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>But I lost that fight.

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<v Speaker 2>And from that fight I learned so a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people when they lose something or they in business or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>it is like they lose something and that's it and

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<v Speaker 2>throw it away. But what I decided to do was

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<v Speaker 2>start make sure I didn't eat before Wayne Wayne right.

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<v Speaker 2>I did my diet right, and then I started running

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more to get my legs better. So for

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<v Speaker 2>my third fight, I bettered myself and then I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>stop punching and I was having my legs behind him.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the right weight and everything was on cue.

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<v Speaker 2>After I had that fight, and I thought a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that I still remember the name, Sean mccullor from Quilpie,

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<v Speaker 2>and affought him at mil Merin And this is eleven

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<v Speaker 2>year old kid, so I've won the fight. He was

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<v Speaker 2>really good, but I won it and I did and

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<v Speaker 2>we both was in all that war. And what they

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<v Speaker 2>had back then was called the shower. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>what a shower is where they throw the money in

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<v Speaker 2>the ring. So for an eleven year old kid to

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<v Speaker 2>get praise such as that, to get money thrown at

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<v Speaker 2>the ring at them yeah, like back then, like ten bucks,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve bucks was a heap of money, especially for an

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<v Speaker 2>eleven year old kid. When you add up all them

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<v Speaker 2>five cents and twenties and fifty cent or whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>How how long did you stay amateurphorce? Obviously starting to

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<v Speaker 1>do a certain age, But did you just keep fighting

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<v Speaker 1>amateur for PC for your club?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So yeah, I fought for the PC Yic for

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<v Speaker 2>one And then I was about twelve, So I was trained

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<v Speaker 2>under a guy called Mick Beetross. So he was a

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<v Speaker 2>professional fighter as well, and so he taught me a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the boxing fundamentals and I was with him,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I went on to train with Brendan Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>but primarily most most of my work I did with

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<v Speaker 2>Mick Beetross and MultiMate Goal. Then obviously, like I already

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<v Speaker 2>had that seed plan. I wanted to be a world champion,

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<v Speaker 2>and I started learning about this thing called the Olympic Games.

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<v Speaker 2>Then my goal was to become an Olympian and to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the Olympic Games. So obviously, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was only young then to just finish high school

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<v Speaker 2>and I actually had to qualify to go the Olympic Games.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was a really big one, was the qualifiers.

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<v Speaker 2>So to make it the Olympic Games, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>win the Oceanic Games and then you so you have

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<v Speaker 2>to beat all the countries in the Ocean region of

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<v Speaker 2>the world. And I got sick the night before the fight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was I was just I was just a

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<v Speaker 2>kid still, you know, like nineteen years of age, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was so sick. And I was fighting a guy

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<v Speaker 2>called ramel Able what from New Zealand, And I was

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<v Speaker 2>so I called my mother. I said, Mom, Mom, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so sick. You know, you know, I really want to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the Olympics. And she she said, look, son,

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<v Speaker 2>all the answers that you're asking for was within yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, You've got it within yourself. Love, You've wanted

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<v Speaker 2>this your whole life. If you want this, you'll get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You already know what to do, Love, it's already there.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to dig deep. And you know when you asked,

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<v Speaker 2>when you at that age and you're asking your mom

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<v Speaker 2>what to do, and you know when you don't, you're sick,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know you're pretty much crying. You just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and she just said, you just got to dig deep.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did just that, and then somehow I pulled

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<v Speaker 2>it out and I knocked the guy out. I just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I dug deep, and I've got the strength

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<v Speaker 2>and I built up the resilience and I knocked out

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<v Speaker 2>this guy and I qualified for the Olympic Games.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I want to stop there for said because it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting you're talking about Olympics and we've seen this with

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Garsan more recently. But the style of Olympic of

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<v Speaker 1>Amita fighting, especially at the Olympic level, probably more so

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<v Speaker 1>back then than than today's. They've changed up a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's sort of stepping in, stepping out a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, it's a different style of fighting to

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<v Speaker 1>standing in the Yeah, standing in front of someone and trading.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's not much trading, but you're sort of

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<v Speaker 1>just doing the you know, flicking them out and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you but then you become a really aggressive fighter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah later on in your pro career were you always?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you aggressive as as a em.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I'm glad that you said this because look, Australians,

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<v Speaker 2>like we're very much behind and still are so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>We still haven't won a gold medal at any Olympic Games.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about the females. Did they win one?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if the I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think we've got a medal, but I don't think we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get a goal.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, no man has ever won a gold medal

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<v Speaker 2>at the Olympic Games for Australia at the boxing, So

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<v Speaker 2>the best that we got was like a silver and

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<v Speaker 2>his name was Snowy Baker back in the sixties of Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was at Melbourne nineteen sixty two. Maybe I'm not sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but anyway, I remember looking at the stats and so

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<v Speaker 2>for Harry to get that, you know, where he's done

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<v Speaker 2>so far, like he's done great for the country, but

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<v Speaker 2>we were just so underdeveloped. And when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the Cubans, the Russians, the Germans differently, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's a sport to them, but to us it's

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<v Speaker 2>a fight. Yeah, you know, and we had that mentality

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<v Speaker 2>and that that's all I knew. That's that's so so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm actually I'm a slow learner, but when

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<v Speaker 2>I've got something, I've got something. And for me, all

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<v Speaker 2>out attack was my only way of winning. Just all

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<v Speaker 2>out attack, attack, attack, attacks, So I actually looked into

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of things, and I took some some

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<v Speaker 2>lessons on board, and I said to the Cuban coach,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're the best, and they couldn't speak good English.

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<v Speaker 2>But I said to him and said, what do we

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<v Speaker 2>need to do as Australians to be better fighters, to

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<v Speaker 2>be better boxes? And he didn't want to give us

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<v Speaker 2>an insult, but he wanted to give us a compliment.

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<v Speaker 2>So he say, he goes Oi, he goes tough, tough

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<v Speaker 2>like this, but he goes like that, Russia, Cuba, Germany

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<v Speaker 2>play play play like this strategy, Yeah, play play and

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<v Speaker 2>relaxed and and and he goes, he goes Russiak Cuba

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<v Speaker 2>play play. So it just it's just our mentality. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's how we sort of were, or sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>Britain and showing our motion and too much emotion.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting because you don't notice me talk to the Cubans.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't see them many great professional Cuban fighters either.

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<v Speaker 1>Rarely do they become great fighters. And when you see

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of heavyweights divisions that were only won more recently,

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<v Speaker 1>but they concentrated winning the Olympics, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it is, what the deal is but I think they

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<v Speaker 1>get paid for it. Is it because of our training.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have the right coaches at our em middle

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<v Speaker 1>level because they're all ad to becoming they get dragged Avemitas, Jeff, you, Danny,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a whole heap of them look to

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<v Speaker 1>become world champions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Look, I was really privileged to be an

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic team with the likes of Paul and Miller, like

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<v Speaker 2>Danny Green, Danny Gill. You know, we traveled all around

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<v Speaker 2>the world together and we went to the US Olympic

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<v Speaker 2>Training Center in Colorado, where like these guys have the

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<v Speaker 2>state of the art facilities, and the stuff that they're

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<v Speaker 2>more focused on then was was science, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>and mental awareness and things like this. Like when I

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<v Speaker 2>was at the US Olympic Training Center, I learned that

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<v Speaker 2>a bit about the preparation. So we had three groups

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<v Speaker 2>and one group did twenty five percent twenty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>mental training and seventy five percent physical training. The other

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<v Speaker 2>group did fifty percent mental training fifty percent physical training,

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<v Speaker 2>and the third group did seventy five percent mental training

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<v Speaker 2>and only twenty five percent physical training. In the end,

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<v Speaker 2>the results were the group that did the seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>percent mental training and only twenty five percent physical training

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<v Speaker 2>got far greater results as per the amount of mental

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<v Speaker 2>training that they did. So the emphasis on psychology in

0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.919
<v Speaker 2>sport these days and being at the speed, and it

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<v Speaker 2>makes more sense even as a professional fighter in the

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<v Speaker 2>pro ranks with the smaller gloves on, to be a

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<v Speaker 2>relaxed fighter, a calma fighter, because you know, we are

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<v Speaker 2>here to express that highest potential and master around emotions

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<v Speaker 2>and when you're fighting, you don't emotions is just just

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<v Speaker 2>giving energy, excess energy, and you don't need to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the best of the best, if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>them from outside, it appears as their machines, like their

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<v Speaker 2>robotics and how they do things. And you know, Australia

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<v Speaker 2>basically hasn't won a gold medal as yet because we're

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<v Speaker 2>only a young country when these these other countries have

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<v Speaker 2>been doing this stuff for centuries, centuries and for such

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<v Speaker 2>a long time. And then they share information, they passed

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<v Speaker 2>it on and they you know, what's important to them.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know Australia is you know, the day that

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<v Speaker 2>we win a gold medal at the Olympic Games is

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<v Speaker 2>the day that we're going to be treated a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more the fighters in Australia, boxing will be treated more

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<v Speaker 2>so like the swimmers get treated like look at the

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<v Speaker 2>even Harry Garside, although he lost at the Olympics, the

0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.760
<v Speaker 2>accolades like the support that he gets and who he

0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.400
<v Speaker 2>is as a person, Like in Australia, he's relatively known.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we had when I went to the Olympic Games.

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<v Speaker 2>We had like there's like ten of us that made

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<v Speaker 2>the team and a lot of us become good fight

0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.200
<v Speaker 2>like Danny Gilded so good and Poorly Miller, did you

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<v Speaker 2>know he went onto other things. But Danny, Danny Green,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like like we we excelled and we like

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<v Speaker 2>still the accolades. We know, you don't get the credibility

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<v Speaker 2>like like you would if you're in like the other

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<v Speaker 2>sports and that, but had we want to go medal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's a different it's a whole different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you you are, you're put in front of the

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<v Speaker 2>world as as your country as you're you're the country's Olympians.

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<v Speaker 2>So the most elite, yeah, the most elite.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you put up on this high pedestal and then

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<v Speaker 2>after it's over, there's nothing left it and that has

0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.800
<v Speaker 2>a psychological effect on athletes, and you know, and then

0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:55.200
<v Speaker 2>sometimes the lies. You know, it's not always about it's

0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.520
<v Speaker 2>not always adulation. And that's the life is not always

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<v Speaker 2>like rosy impeachy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not there's no money to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually no, there's no and there's you know, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>always been a very hard task. That's why hats hats.

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<v Speaker 2>My hat goes off to people like Anthony Mundane and

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and Danny Graham, you know, fellow them, big teammate like

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<v Speaker 2>that for things I was to pull out money out

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<v Speaker 2>of the sport. They've done so so so good or.

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<v Speaker 1>Something like Danny too, is about what he did after

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<v Speaker 1>boxing as well. He's got that two round fitness. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got a new name you. Tommy's got a new box

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<v Speaker 1>boxes Yeah, and uh and and Chocked the same. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Chock's got a whole lot of businesses. He different And

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<v Speaker 1>Tony tells me, I don't know, talk about it, Tony.

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<v Speaker 2>I was messaging before I come on to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they're active, they're always active. Danny's always active

0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and sort of moved away from well he's still got

0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.800
<v Speaker 1>something to a boxing, but he's sort of moved away

0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.159
<v Speaker 1>from the art of boxing as opposed he still has

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:56.760
<v Speaker 1>a boxing in his DNA and Bonanthy's move away completely

0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:01.280
<v Speaker 1>from it. So you're you come back from Olympics. You

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<v Speaker 1>got knocked out in the second second.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, lost on points. Yeah yeah, I'm made to

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<v Speaker 2>the second round of competition. Yeers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny like Fennick Jeff Jeff Jeff one he would

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<v Speaker 1>have gone in for the for a medal about but

0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 1>they reversed Boxing Federation whoever it is, reversed the decision

0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:27.920
<v Speaker 1>against him, and he left him discussed. I don't think

0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:31.880
<v Speaker 1>will Tomlinson never did very well, Jacko didn't, Luke didn't

0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 1>do very well at the Olympics. But all these guys

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<v Speaker 1>gone out of either one world titles like you or

0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Luke was a you know like fort food world title.

0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Jeff won world titles and lots of them. Any won

0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the world title. There's and I wonder what happens post Olympics.

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:54.399
<v Speaker 1>So what happened to you post Olympics? How did you

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<v Speaker 1>become the professional fighter you became that you weren't as

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:57.720
<v Speaker 1>a fighter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So like it did have a I think it

0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 2>did have a psychological effect, like looking back, like it

0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 2>was an adulation, like it's you know, there was controversy,

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I got charged for assault in two

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 2>thousand and two.

0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:15.240
<v Speaker 1>That's just after it, because you're in the two thousand bits.

0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, and you know that,

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 2>you know I got convicted of that, and you know

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 2>it's because you sort of know, just keeping your mind busy.

0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a bit there's a bit of downtime

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:30.240
<v Speaker 2>and things, and it has a psychological effect on you,

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:31.879
<v Speaker 2>I guess, and you know, and then you look for

0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.920
<v Speaker 2>gratify gratification in other areas, I guess, and then your

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 2>life can easily take a whiny turn. You know, everything's

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.080
<v Speaker 2>not always as perfect as what what it was, and

0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, you sort of lose sight of your goal.

0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Did someone did some of them when you come up Olympics?

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Just someone come try and pick you up and like

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:52.879
<v Speaker 1>put you into a into a pro program, professional program.

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<v Speaker 2>After the Olympics.

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 1>No, so so so that's where you lost your way

0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:55.320
<v Speaker 1>a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. So so the there's the psychological support now

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 2>is there's there's much more support resources out there available

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 2>now to people needing any sort of assistance and help.

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Like that's one thing I can speak for from experience,

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 2>not to say that it wasn't there. Then they did

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 2>offer something, but I think it's there's like a what

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 2>do they call it? They they yeah, they you know,

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:23.600
<v Speaker 2>when you finish in the big games and then then

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 2>you have a debrief, but yeah you feel about this,

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, and all that stuff, and that wasn't so

0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 2>much pushed. But I think these days they push it,

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, push push it upon the athletes and things

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:38.199
<v Speaker 2>like that. But look, look, my real savior was like

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I really went into my once I finished the other

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.200
<v Speaker 2>big games. Look, it wasn't for me. I was a brawler.

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 2>They're not saying there's no intelligence involved in brawling, because

0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 2>you're still in there, you're taking punches, you're give them punches.

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:51.159
<v Speaker 2>It's still all boxing. You're brawling. But I found a

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:55.160
<v Speaker 2>lot more success in putting the fear of the fear

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.800
<v Speaker 2>of the of life into into my opponents. So, you know,

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>they had all the skills, and I thought Joel cast

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Male gold Mellis for Cuba all this sort of thing,

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, and pretty well had the guy beat, you know.

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 2>But I put the fear of life in and I

0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 2>just kept on going and going and going and just

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 2>being that brawler and just and just they're all out attack. Yeah,

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:17.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that brought me a lot of success

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.680
<v Speaker 2>throughout my professional career. So after going in the big games,

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 2>I want to stay told in my first fight when

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:24.639
<v Speaker 2>the Australian title with my second fight when twelve three

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 2>minute rounds and just went on to have great success.

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I built up my record to twenty three fights with

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty three wins with twenty one knockouts and.

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<v Speaker 1>Had lightweight division.

0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 2>In the lightweight division, yeah, yeah.

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Which those people are listening, that's the equivalent division that

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Cambosis is into the moment. I think, yeah, Natives boy

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 1>hasses in the all right lightweight division. I think he's

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:51.959
<v Speaker 1>just kind of strange champion, Okay, and yeah, so we

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 1>were talking. It's a pretty heavily contested division, by the way,

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:58.920
<v Speaker 1>especially at the moment like back then too as well.

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 2>You get some of the eight fighters oh lightweight. Yeah,

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 2>at the moment, it's great. These guys aren't believable. It's

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 2>a very basis like these guys something special.

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:15.919
<v Speaker 1>It's heavily contested, heavily contested. So you're in the lovemad division.

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.639
<v Speaker 1>So you you're I do want to go back to

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 1>your when you got to rest for arrested for and

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:27.360
<v Speaker 1>charged and convicted for assault. What happens to a boxer

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>They lose their way a little bit. We'll not lose

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 1>the way bit like young bloke come from being put

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>up on a pedal stall at the Limits Games in

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:38.679
<v Speaker 1>Sydney or high heightened awareness and all sort of stuff.

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't do as well as you wanted to do. Obviously,

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:44.479
<v Speaker 1>sort of back to it. It's not picked up by

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 1>as a professional probably a little bit rudderless of that state.

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.919
<v Speaker 1>It's still a young guy. But you've gone through this.

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 1>You're living this life where you're sparring and jumping in

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 1>the ring with blokes like you know, you're willing. You

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>know how it works, you know what I mean? Yeah,

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>do you do you? Did you get on the drink

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 1>or something like that? Like what was the situation?

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 2>No, No, it wasn't, because your next fighter was.

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:12.439
<v Speaker 1>It was.

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 2>It was it was self defense basically. But like you

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 2>know how much self defense you are entitled to? You know,

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.679
<v Speaker 2>like the it's gonna be that's right. So the judge

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 2>said that I was entitled to self defense. However I

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 2>broke the guys draw in two places. But he said,

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 2>you could have timed your punches precisely to break the

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:32.159
<v Speaker 2>the men's draw in two places. So that's excessive use

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>of self defense. So the fact that that I pleaded

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 2>not guilty and then got guilty as a result of it, yeah,

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I've got the maximum penalty for it. So I had

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 2>to serve time. You know that. That's that's you know,

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 2>that's a lot not a lot of no people. Very

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 2>few people next to Nune would be able to say

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:52.160
<v Speaker 2>they've been the Olympic Games and they've been the jail

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 2>as well. So look, I had some things I had

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 2>to overcome, and you know that was that was a

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 2>real challenging time in my life.

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>And I think just explained the moment because I think

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>it needs to be explained, So maybe do it as

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.920
<v Speaker 1>a good example, a given example. So if someone breaks

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 1>into my house and he has a wooden tennis racket,

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that's his weapon. Okay, if I have a gun,

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm entitled to defend myself, but not unreasonably so I can't.

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>So having a gun. A gun is too powerful for

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 1>a tennis racket, so that'd be deemed to be an

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>unreasonable use of excessive force.

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.680
<v Speaker 2>You have a gun's license, are you're trained guns?

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Assuming I've got a license GA so, and let's say,

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>in defending myself, I wounded him, the judge would say,

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>that's not self defense, Mark, that's excessive and unreasonable use

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>of force, which is which negates yours your your defense

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>self defense defense in the court case. Therefore, I'll probably

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>get convicted. For a boxer, particularly someone who's been Olympic games,

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>if you're doing one on one with somebody, let's say

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 1>weren't a boxer and he was confronting you, threatening you,

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>he's going to knock you out whatever. You can defend yourself.

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>If you're not a boxing if you hit him on

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the chin, happens to bous so be Yeah, but the

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>rules are if you're a fighter, that's right, you've got

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>a weapon in your hands in that you're a trained

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>expert at it, and therefore that would be considered to

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>be unreasonable force and excess Yeah.

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 2>So to speak, yes, I get it, I get yeah,

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 2>there is, but there's also different variables that have to

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 2>be taken into consideration when assessing a judge and and

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 2>the judge as a as a duty you know, as

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 2>a judge to do the way they You know, there's

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>other sorts of things that you know back then, like

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I can own up that you know, I wasn't forthright completely,

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, like at first I tried lying about the

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 2>the the incident and things like that. So you know,

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 2>was I an honest young man?

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>You know? No?

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't. Was I prepared to own up for it?

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't straight away? You know, how do I had

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I been able to have accountability then, which are things

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I've learned later in life and the hard way, but

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>but having accountabilities could have done me so much more.

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 2>And you know, just having gratitude that i'd been through

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the Olympic Games and just you know, and just been

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 2>thankful that I was able to have had that and

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>then move forward. You know, looking back in hindsight's such

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 2>a wonderful thing.

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>But you had to expect of yourself when you're young.

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I don't feel any sort of resentment. I

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 2>don't feel feilthy about what's happened or what's having you know,

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm one hundred percent accountable because like I know more

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 2>than anyone because I was there. I know what happened,

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, and you know, like you know, was a

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 2>judge harsh for me? I don't know, like maybe maybe not,

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>but like I have to own it because.

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Then you do the time. Yeah, I did the spend

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>eight months eight months.

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 2>At Woodford where is that at in Queensland somewhere out there?

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and howd you do? Time?

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>It was all right, so inside confronting, you know, I

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 2>had I had some fights inside because I was young,

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was young, and you know, and then

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>to be put in there with like hardened criminals, you know,

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 2>like I've got I got challenged, you know, you know,

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>being a little guys a challenge. Yeah, this this this

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>little guy out there, he's a fighter.

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 2>At the time, I was Australian champion as well. And

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I remember having pretty pretty vicious fights in

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 2>there because I was I was willing back then, you know,

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>you don't think and you're just willing to go on

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 2>with it. But looking back, I could have killed someone. Yeah,

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 2>it was pretty bad. There's even like to the very day,

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>people with their witnesses still speak about the fights that

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 2>they saw me have in jail, and you know, like

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 2>one guy's ear was hanging off by a thread, like

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 2>this is what you have to do to defend yourself.

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Because no referee, no referee.

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Now you've got a guys one hundred and ten kilos,

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm probably sixty five kilos ringing wet.

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 1>You know that sort of guy's challenge.

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And I'm up against the wall and I

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 2>can't even you know, he's just trying to stand over

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>me and own my gloves, and there's what can I

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 2>do about it? Like, you know, you have to back

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 2>yourself and just straight away. So I've had to knock

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 2>this guy out five times whilst and jail, and then

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>he's still kept coming, still kept coming, and I've just

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm stuck. Now I'm up against the wall. He's smashing me.

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Now he's come back after me and dropped that many times,

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 2>and I've got my arm free hook. Hook has kept

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 2>on hook until his ear was hanging off by over

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 2>thread and then there's nothing but a pool of blood everywhere.

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>And to this very day, as I said, guys still

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 2>talk about what they saw that time. But that's something

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 2>that I had to that's something I had to deal with.

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 1>No gloves, no mouth guard, no no.

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 2>He I had wrapped on my hands. Actually, I was

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 2>about to do some bad work, so that helps. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 2>you're smiling. I guess you sort of can think back

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>now you're an old and glad I'm not there.

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my god. And what happened after that? So

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>who picked you up? What happened after that? So when

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 1>you came out, Yeah, you just you wanted to keep

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the boxing going because you're still the strain champion. Did

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the boxing, I know, but don't you don't you get

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>not canceled whatever. God, Now they look at your license,

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>they look at that goes on.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, so that was so, that was so I

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 2>was the whole time I was there, I was manifesting.

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, I wanted to win a world title. I

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 2>still had that dream to win a world title and

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I still had and and you know, I had to

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 2>work towards that. And then I teamed up with Brendan

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Smith at that stage. He saw a lot of you know,

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of potential in me, and I just kept

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 2>on striving and striving and pushing through and you know,

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 2>as I said, I built my record up. But you know,

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I was hanging out with you know, some you know

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 2>people that weren't good for my life. They weren't serving

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.959
<v Speaker 2>me and you know, hanging around the bad crowds basically,

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 2>And I looked I had a good hard thing to myself,

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>like if I want to win a world title, what

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 2>do I need to do? Like, there's no there's all

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 2>these different roads that could have taken. So I just

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 2>had to back myself. So I booked a one way ticket.

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I went to the States. You know it was but

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't come back for six years.

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 1>You could get into you.

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 2>No, No, yeah, I could get in. So I was

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 2>there's some planning in preparation went too that beforehand. So

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 2>because I got offered fights to go to the States.

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>For first I was fighting at the Playboy mansion and Belaire, Yeah,

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Hugh Heffner's Playboy mentioned that's where I was fighting. That

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 2>was my first fight ESPN against Bernaldo Rays. That was

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:24.959
<v Speaker 2>the name of the guy I was fighting. I've gone

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 2>down to the US Embassy here in Sydney and I've

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 2>spoken them and they said, look, because of your criminal conviction,

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to go to America, and even after

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.279
<v Speaker 2>five years, but they're not going to let me go.

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 2>They said, no. That was that was like a real

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 2>downer time in my life. I just got rejected. So

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 2>fortunately enough, my lawyer at the time, Damian Arrow, he

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 2>was pretty close with Premier Beauty. Of course, you remember

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 2>the Premier Beauty Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>He made love of sport. Yeah.

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:01.839
<v Speaker 2>He wrote a letter to the US Embassy pretty much

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 2>condoning that, you know, saying how great a guy was,

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 2>how hard done by I was in the case, and

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 2>to give me consideration to you know. So I got

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:14.320
<v Speaker 2>a one working p one working visa wow in America,

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 2>so we already set the go in the fires. But

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I was still fighting the local network in Australia and

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 2>still doing things. But so that was already set. So

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 2>when an opportunity to come up, I could have flown

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.839
<v Speaker 2>over done on my training here, but by living in Australia,

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I was still still it wasn't serving me. I just

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 2>knew that I had to I had to do something

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 2>to make it work because I'd seen so I've looked

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 2>at those around me, others going on my pathway and

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 2>what they're going to, and there's just nothing there. So

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I just had to back myself. Had a house, had

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 2>my family here and everything that with very little money

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 2>because there's no money in Australian box. I don't care

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 2>what anyone says. Australia as a whole. That's why I'm

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>saying about money. And how is that? And he did

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 2>do it with the boxing, and Green did it early

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 2>with the boxing. Yeah, they made some decent amount of money,

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and yes they did make it later on in business, correct.

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 2>But they're smart guys. The smart guy it's really hard

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 2>to get ahead. And and you know, I just had

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 2>to back myself. So I've got whatever I could. I

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>booked a two thousands, I went flew to Sydney. He

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:11.399
<v Speaker 2>paid two thousand dollars cash for a ticket, and flew

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>straight to straight to America on my own. And I

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:18.879
<v Speaker 2>rang Brand and I said, I'm in America and I've

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>got I just had to get away. This is what

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:23.839
<v Speaker 2>I got to do. And he backed me. He said, yeah, okay, Mick,

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll be right over. I'm coming.

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Because you know, he came out.

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he believed in me, and if he didn't, it

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't things wouldn't may not have panned out the way

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>that they did. And so you know, he backed me,

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>and you know, flying over to America and by the

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>time brand. So I stayed at Marina Delray first day,

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 2>some hotel near the airport, and then a few days

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.800
<v Speaker 2>later Brandon come over. We stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel,

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and then I've gone From the Roosevelt Hotel, we walked

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 2>out there's a premiere for Rocky five on that On

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that that same night, we walked out Sylvesta salone shaking

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the hands and we shook his hand. Wow, Sylvester Sellone

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 2>is that this is like the first day Brendan arrived

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 2>and it was a sign, It was a sign made.

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 2>These things are happening more so than ever now in

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 2>my life, like signs and and moments and things. And

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>don't even get me started on that. But there's you know,

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.280
<v Speaker 2>soul flares released from the sun. There's a different energy

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 2>just that.

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I do you find those those things the universe? Right? Yeah?

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>What do we call it? Do you think that they

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 1>would be able to account for your resilience and the

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>fact that you said, stuff, I'm going to go to Sydney. Yeah,

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to us. If you hadn't got had that mindset,

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.800
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have walked in, You wouldn't have able to

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>meet a silver sloan, which.

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Is the thing that gave you a whole to pursue

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:51.399
<v Speaker 2>time ago.

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Do you think those things that given that you're open

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:56.799
<v Speaker 1>to perceiving these things is let's call them signs or

0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 1>gets from the universe or or someone tapping on the

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>should team or to do yep? Do you think there

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>are the things that give you your resilience because you're a

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.240
<v Speaker 1>resilient bustard, like you've had lots of ups and downs,

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>but you still manage to keep going or is it

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 1>just you?

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can. You can relate this to business success

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 2>and you know about that. And so it's just about

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.839
<v Speaker 2>tapping on doors and go this way and you tap

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.399
<v Speaker 2>on the right thles, you know, And it's just consistency

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 2>and keeping at it and keeping at it and just

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 2>going different pathways. And you know you have a plan.

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, I basically had a plan that I need

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 2>to go to the States and my dream was to

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.840
<v Speaker 2>win a world title. But I planned, like I couldn't

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:35.360
<v Speaker 2>just get on and book a one way ticket to

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 2>the States. There was a bit of planning involved in

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 2>that as well. But if you want something more than

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:42.239
<v Speaker 2>you want to breathe, then you're going to achieve it.

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 2>So then so I left everything in Australia, I committed

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 2>myself and I just I just got stuck into it. Now.

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 2>I believe it's you can manifest things. That's a big

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 2>part of it. I believe that you know what you

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 2>believe and how much you want something that will determine

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 2>the outcome. And it's it's not just gonna it's not

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:04.879
<v Speaker 2>just going to happen by magical thing. But it's the

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 2>want and the will, and there's and there's there are energies,

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, there there are things that make this happen.

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, whether you caught your higher power or you know,

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 2>so many things that can determine the outcome of certain things.

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 2>And you know, and then business as well, you know,

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 2>like you just do the right things and you keep

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.400
<v Speaker 2>tapping on the doors and you set things up the

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>right way. If you keep at it, you're going to

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 2>get there.

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 1>And how much of the consistency though, like you know,

0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 1>like not only have you got to you know, like

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>follow that path, You've got to you to look for

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the path. You've got to be open to it. You know,

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 1>now I'm going to get it. We'll get away from

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 1>this mob who are so maybe not help me out

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>here doing it. I'm not it's just not good for me.

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Don't have to make a judgment, but just not good

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.799
<v Speaker 1>for me. You don't make a judgment bout them, then

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm going to make the call. I'm going

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>to buy the ticket, I'm going to go to America.

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do all the other stuff in between,

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>going to get the visa and you know something, get

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>topeter beating and make sure I get that that process going.

0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>But then it becomes out of effort. There's a lot

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>of effort involved, a lot of driving this ship. Like

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you've got to keep driving yourself, get yourself up in

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>the morning because it doesn't happen overnight. Where you get

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that from that? What you go and work in the

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>concrete his whole.

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of it's trial and error. You know,

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 2>you do a lot of trial and error, and then

0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 2>it's easy when you're looking back to say, oh, I

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 2>wish I did it this way. You know, we should

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:21.399
<v Speaker 2>do it that way, but you didn't, you know, but

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 2>but you know, but by trial and error, and I

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:25.240
<v Speaker 2>still had that youth in me. I still had that

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 2>drive to want to do it. So there's a lot

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 2>of trial and error, and then I had to cut

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 2>out a lot of vices. Like there's going to be

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot of noise in your head with like other

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.439
<v Speaker 2>things going on. You're like, like, what's happening back at home?

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 2>What's going on? Who cares? This is what I really want?

0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes in business or successful boxing people in that

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 2>business are successful, they seem like they're really rude or

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 2>ruthless people in that but they all narcissists, so to speak.

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 2>But like they just they just have a goal. They

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:56.879
<v Speaker 2>have a goal and they're going to be successful. They

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 2>cut out all the things, the things that are going

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 2>to be holding them back, like noise, it's just noise

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and and and that's so that's what I had to do.

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:07.360
<v Speaker 2>So i'd go, so training, like your fitness is a prerequisite.

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 2>You have to be fit, you know, And like that's

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.759
<v Speaker 2>why I'm developing, Like I'm on the online coaching business now,

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm doing and developing, you know, this bulletproof mindset.

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm developing the maintenance program. So everything that I was

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>doing back then that got me to the levels that

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I achieved, I put into a training program. So but

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 2>I had to do these things every day, every day,

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 2>all the time, so you know, whilst looking for a

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:33.960
<v Speaker 2>place to live in America, you know, and then working

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 2>out you know, how I was going to make it happen.

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And so I had like a bit of a team.

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.520
<v Speaker 2>I started building a support network around me, and Brandon

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:42.799
<v Speaker 2>was a really big part of that, really big part

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:44.879
<v Speaker 2>of that, and the booking in this fight, making sure,

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, his main charge was going to be ready

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.839
<v Speaker 2>and going to be right. So I was just like knew,

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 2>like say, when you when you if you want to

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 2>be the best, you got to hang out with the best.

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 2>You got to associate with the best. So what they do.

0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:00.319
<v Speaker 2>I went to the wild Card Gym Hollywood, training side

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Minnie Paco all the rest. Just walked in there. I

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm from Australia. I've got a record, you know, some

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 2>of the underfeed record. And I said, okay, you had

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 2>no worries, so oh, you know, I just started just

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 2>rubbing shouldals with those guys doing the hard work there.

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:15.239
<v Speaker 2>It was all new. It was scary, it was intimidating,

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 2>But how were I was twenty six? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 2>it was because that's the difference between tomber there. Oh mate,

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:28.959
<v Speaker 2>like you just I've call them from now I'm living

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>in a big smoke. Yeah, just just trying to make

0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 2>my own and I started to actually, if, like I

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 2>said earlier, if you want to make something more than

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 2>you want to breathe, then you're going to achieve it.

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 2>So I started making friends. I started talking to people that,

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, that were like minded, and they could see

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 2>they could, but they start believing you as well. And

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you're as close as to what Brendan

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 2>and I were, well, he jumped on the flight and

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.839
<v Speaker 2>comes straight over. He backed me. He saw that drive

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 2>like he supported me. But I gave him that drive

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 2>like he could see that hunger in then what I had.

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>So you know, he's not long after you seen me

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.400
<v Speaker 2>going in the world card all the time, training all

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the time, doing all my maintenance broke and doing all

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 2>this stuff, and it wasn't long. And then he was

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 2>very close to securing a world total fight at Wembley

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Arena and in London against Graham Earle. So we had

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 2>a decision to make them. So we flew to Brooklyn

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Gleason's gym in New York and we trained that like

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.839
<v Speaker 2>it was minor six degrees back then. It was so coold.

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:29.839
<v Speaker 2>But they had the most world champions. Like you had

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 2>like Tyson train out there, you had a to Rour

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 2>grading train out there. There was a there was a

0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:37.879
<v Speaker 2>trainer there called Hector. He passed away, but that they

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 2>were all there, the big names, all the people. And

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 2>you walk into this gym. You got some big dudes

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:45.880
<v Speaker 2>in there, and you got all these like tough guys.

0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 2>They're like going all the time, spraying like so intimidating,

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 2>so intimidating. So I ended up securing a fight with

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:55.800
<v Speaker 2>the record that I had with secured a fight Wembley,

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 2>and I went into a training camp and I'm in

0:43:58.160 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 2>this gym.

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:01.359
<v Speaker 1>It was an eliminador of toph This is the this

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:02.760
<v Speaker 1>is actually for the world title.

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 2>So Brendan. So I'd already built up my record in Australia.

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 2>I built it up, but I just need to get

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 2>the world tider fight secured. And and Brendan he saw

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 2>that I was hungry. He did it, He got he

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:14.959
<v Speaker 2>got it, you know. He said, look, Michael, he's reading

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.320
<v Speaker 2>up these promoters of Frank Warren in England and Michaels

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:19.359
<v Speaker 2>already he's gone to the States. He's in the train,

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 2>and look, we're ready to go, you know, you know,

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, we want the fight basically, and so he

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 2>we got the fight, and so I did. I put

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 2>myself through it, and I knew if I was going

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 2>to beat this guy, I had to be fighting and

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.439
<v Speaker 2>training makest the best. It was hard. It was hard.

0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 2>It was real hard, like I was training in minor

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 2>six degrees. I was walking on all these long stairs,

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:40.800
<v Speaker 2>all these these subways. You know, have you been in Brooklyn?

0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jewish community.

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 1>It's Maad is it?

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah? What was his name? Mike? Mike was the

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:50.919
<v Speaker 2>owner of the but and so. And you're walking along

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>there and and you walk in there and all this

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 2>was going on and the movies. Yeah yeah, there's just

0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 2>one Polish guy in there. And he was like pretty

0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:02.640
<v Speaker 2>much mirror. This is like everything's meant to happen, you know,

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 2>how many things just a line, it's just aligned. I

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.760
<v Speaker 2>saw this guy and he was just like a bigger

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 2>image of the exactly like the guy that was going

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 2>to be fighting. And I knew if I spa this

0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:15.279
<v Speaker 2>guy and I can get over this guy, that's what

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I need to that's my key, that's what that's what

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:18.720
<v Speaker 2>I need to do. Anyway, he was just beating everyone

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 2>up all the time. It's like a ci as I'm

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.920
<v Speaker 2>going along, I'm building up confidence. And Brendan goes up

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 2>to his trainer and says, hey, mate, how you going.

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 2>You know I was the accent, because we want to

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 2>see if we can get you some rounds in with

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 2>your Polish. Boy goes, hmm, you want to spy my boy?

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:35.399
<v Speaker 1>He goes.

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 2>He goes, We'll see how you and then brend says

0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 2>he has how many runs? And he says, Brandon said,

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I was six eight rounds. Okay, we'll see how you

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 2>go after two like this. So so we got in

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 2>there and I just walloped this guy. I walloped in

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 2>first round. The guy couldn't even continue. I had the

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 2>confidence through the roof, and I knew that I'd done

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 2>it because I'd done every day I would walk to

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.239
<v Speaker 2>get there. I done on my training. I sacrificed everything

0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 2>to show I knew how hungry I was. I was prepared.

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.439
<v Speaker 2>I was ready. So when we locked in the fight,

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 2>signed the contract, flew over to the Wembley. Wembley and

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I was fighting against graham ll. I wanted it so badly,

0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and I remember like it was like, this is the

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Knights leading up to the fight, and you got all

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>these media, all these commotion going over. There was a

0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 2>really big thing. You had Amy a Kart fighting on

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:27.760
<v Speaker 2>the same card. You had Michael Spot fighting Ordley Harrison

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:30.359
<v Speaker 2>back then, big name. It was a big show. I

0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 2>think it was a would have been fifteen thousand people

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 2>back then. That's a decent. But yeah, ITV was a

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:40.919
<v Speaker 2>TV company, and and you know, you have to get

0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:42.440
<v Speaker 2>your sleep. You're still getting over a bit of jet

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 2>lag whatever, and the fire alarms are going off the hotel. Yeah,

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 2>fire alarms are going off. And you know the nights

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 2>before that, you got your hookers knocking on the door.

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 2>So I was just them, was like, what what's your chances?

0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, like nights in the ray, the same thing happening,

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:06.839
<v Speaker 2>and all these noises and things, and it's the night

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.279
<v Speaker 2>before the world title fight, and these fire alarms just

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:11.720
<v Speaker 2>kept going and going going. I remember saying to myself,

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I'd rather die in my sleep than knock at a

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 2>good sleep and lose this fight. That's that was my mentality.

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't care. I went back to sleep. I remember

0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 2>it so clearly. But you know, in the back of

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 2>my mind, I thought I might would have got a

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:26.280
<v Speaker 2>curtain and probably slide down the side of the building.

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I was like if I started smelling smoke or something.

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 2>But like, I just went to sleep. I just went

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:33.799
<v Speaker 2>to sleep, and I had an air of confidence. And

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.879
<v Speaker 2>you know when it come out to have that fight, Well,

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 2>you had a fight, so to speak. Having yeah, yeah,

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:43.840
<v Speaker 2>and the nerves that you feel. Yeah, imagine if you

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't train, probably imagine if you cut corners.

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Sleep probably sleep. Probably you didn't know if I didn't sleep, imagine, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:54.239
<v Speaker 1>because confidence, that just takes that much.

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 2>That's that's right, That's what. And that's a mental thing too. Yeah,

0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 2>and and just and it was a bigger event when

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:01.840
<v Speaker 2>you got you know, you know, tens of thousands in

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 2>attendance and millions of views all over the world, and

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 2>everything you ever dreamed of was just sitting there right there.

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 1>About that happen on the line.

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the how the feeling, the hollow feeling inside when

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 2>you knew you weren't doing something right but I did it.

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Or especially for a perfectionist that yeah, if you're a perfectionist. Yeah,

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.720
<v Speaker 1>that can fuck you up. Yeah, that thought process. Yeah,

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:25.279
<v Speaker 1>and you've got to it's a bit like not an

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 1>out of go See how did you control yourself then?

0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:30.680
<v Speaker 1>So so like let's let's in the room. That's okay,

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 1>that's not too bad. Do you walk out, get up?

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:35.120
<v Speaker 1>But during the corner, now you're on your own. Now

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:38.720
<v Speaker 1>no one's rabbing your hands. You were standing there ready

0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 1>for the reft.

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Call you in.

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:45.319
<v Speaker 1>So how do you control your his energy or that?

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:47.719
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't just happen on a spot. It just took

0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.839
<v Speaker 2>time I practice, and so like i'd have ment what

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:54.840
<v Speaker 2>do you do the mental preparation, meditation, talking, self talk,

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:59.319
<v Speaker 2>and I was doing a lot of visualization, visualizing, like

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:02.280
<v Speaker 2>the same thing I learned that the US Olympic Training Center,

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.839
<v Speaker 2>all my lessons along the road, the sparring that I did.

0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the spar that I did with the

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Polish guy at the Gleason's gym. I had that. I

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 2>had it all in check and I already knew it.

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.840
<v Speaker 2>And if he does this, this happens. You know, boxing

0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 2>can be somenpredictable. You can't ever say, if he does this,

0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do exactly that it's just a numbers game.

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:21.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like business also, like it's a bit of a

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:23.840
<v Speaker 2>numbers game. Youre, ok, Okay, this didn't work so many times.

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:25.640
<v Speaker 2>This is going to be a far better result if

0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:27.120
<v Speaker 2>I go this way instead of doing this and have

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:28.960
<v Speaker 2>to eliminate this and then get the answer this quickly.

0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 2>But it's already calculated. You already got it in your

0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 2>mind because you've done it over and over and over

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 2>and over and over again so many times, and you

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.719
<v Speaker 2>built it up. You haven't just like wanted is just

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:40.680
<v Speaker 2>a want and wish thing. You put the work in

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and the drive and the dedication.

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, really what you and what you're talking about here,

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Michae Liz. Preparation, Yes, I mean that's pretty fundamentally yes, yes,

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 1>like preparation. Yes, it's all those things.

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:53.799
<v Speaker 1>That's how you control yourself. You don't walk in there

0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:55.760
<v Speaker 1>not ready to control yourself because you're already in control.

0:49:56.160 --> 0:50:00.359
<v Speaker 1>You've controlled yourself through your prep because then everything's about preparation, right, ship,

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 1>what is business or sport?

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Lit?

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:02.840
<v Speaker 1>All business?

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 2>It is?

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Your business is boxing, Yes, that's right, you know, like

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:09.320
<v Speaker 1>his business is producing a shop. It's about his preparation,

0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Like your preparation, you know how to deal deal with it,

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 1>and you went on to win that fight. Well I did.

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:18.279
<v Speaker 2>But when I've walked out for that fight, that's the

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:20.879
<v Speaker 2>feeling that I'm getting to is like like, You've got

0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:26.239
<v Speaker 2>all these people like bo like this because they're all

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 2>for their guy totally and and you go the crowd

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, but I was like, like, the well this guy,

0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 2>like I was gonna Charlado kets. You know, it's just

0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 2>common says I'm going to be fighting that only one

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.319
<v Speaker 2>guy doesn't bother me. It's all just so it's just

0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:44.319
<v Speaker 2>who cares noise. I'm used to all that. So I've

0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:46.960
<v Speaker 2>got my helmet on, my Greek helmet, my worry helmet,

0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and I'm and I'm walking out really really slowly, really confident,

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 2>stopped for a bit, and I stare at them all

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 2>a bit, and I walk a little bit more, three

0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 2>or four more steps, and I stare them at all

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:56.799
<v Speaker 2>again a bit more. So I knew I had this

0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:59.880
<v Speaker 2>and I just couldn't wait. I couldn't wait. You know,

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I've got in there and it's got the fight of

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:04.600
<v Speaker 2>the year, he got the round of the decade. It's

0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 2>the fourth round. I've dropped the guy twice. I even

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 2>put a cheeky five ground on myself to knock him

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 2>out in the first round at forty two to one.

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get up, but anyway, you know, it was

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:15.920
<v Speaker 2>one of them fights, and you know, and then it

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:20.160
<v Speaker 2>got to the third round of the fight and I've

0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:22.239
<v Speaker 2>dropped him once and I've gone in to finish the guy,

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:23.759
<v Speaker 2>and you know what it is like with boxing, if

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:25.960
<v Speaker 2>you one little mistake, you go through your right hand

0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 2>and your left hand sitting down too low. Bang, I

0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:30.680
<v Speaker 2>copped it and the guys dropped me right. So it's

0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 2>just turned the whole crowd. It was so frantic. There's

0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:37.080
<v Speaker 2>no standing eight counts with the WBO commission, and the

0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:39.520
<v Speaker 2>referee applied to standing. Let's just give you an idea

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 2>of the referee, Mickey Ward. He was Mick Mickey Van.

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Mickey Van was the referee. Yeah, but he was so

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 2>he was like a very veteran referee, you know, he

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 2>was just that frantic that he applied to stay in

0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 2>a cant you don't do that. But anyway, still the

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:58.520
<v Speaker 2>guy a bit more time to recover. Long end of

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the short I've recovered and and you know, through the

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 2>most amount of punches training in the round that round

0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:06.359
<v Speaker 2>four of that fight, and it was just like an

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 2>all out bloody war. And I won the world title.

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:11.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, the titles went through the roof. It was

0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:14.520
<v Speaker 2>the happiest day of my life. It's just yeah, it

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 2>was second to none.

0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 1>We won't have time to talk about all your defenses

0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and because you have stack of fights, but there was

0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:22.480
<v Speaker 1>one thing I do want to talk about, and so

0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's important to me. He established right the

0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:27.120
<v Speaker 1>very beginning the close bond between you and your mum

0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:29.479
<v Speaker 1>and your dad yep, but also your brother Staffy yep.

0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:34.319
<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately before one of your bigger fights, you your brother.

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:36.359
<v Speaker 1>You lost your brother. Can you tell me through that?

0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:41.160
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I I built my record up. I've got

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.719
<v Speaker 2>these big fights. So then I've I've gone from this

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:46.719
<v Speaker 2>kid intomba, too scared to even throw a punch, to fighting.

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 2>It's the pound for pound best fighter in the world.

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:52.400
<v Speaker 2>One man your Markers he knocked out MANI pack like

0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:54.319
<v Speaker 2>those are no box will know who One man your

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Markets was one of the pound for pound best fighters

0:52:57.120 --> 0:53:01.400
<v Speaker 2>in the world. Like he fought Maywether. He's everything for everyone.

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 2>And you know, it was such a big fight. It

0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:08.080
<v Speaker 2>was a megastar fight, and I was preparing for the fight,

0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 2>so I I used to going to twelve week or

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.839
<v Speaker 2>eight week training camps in Thailand. My name was so

0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:15.560
<v Speaker 2>big in the States that I could I couldn't go

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:18.839
<v Speaker 2>anywhere on me anywhere, so big that the paparazzi and

0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like people were infiltrating now training and trying to get

0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Brendan's here all the time. He joined me all the way.

0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 2>And I was in camping Thailand, and I've I've got

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:32.400
<v Speaker 2>a phone call, you know it. It was Brandon and

0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:35.200
<v Speaker 2>he said, Mick, get on your motorbike, meet me at

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:37.640
<v Speaker 2>the gym. This is three weeks out. So I'm fighting

0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:41.839
<v Speaker 2>the pound pound champion of the world in three weeks time.

0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:44.120
<v Speaker 2>In training camping Thailand. I'm fighting him in the bright

0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:47.360
<v Speaker 2>lights at the MGM Graham Las Vegas. And I thought, okay,

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and I turned my phone off. I looked at my

0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:53.960
<v Speaker 2>phone was going off. It had like hundreds of messages

0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.920
<v Speaker 2>and miss calls and and whatever. And I've got in

0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:58.880
<v Speaker 2>there and I saw Brandan, and as soon as I

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:03.359
<v Speaker 2>saw his face, I said something's happened, hasn't And he said, yeah,

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 2>it's your brother. He's gone. He died then, you know,

0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:11.520
<v Speaker 2>to have that happen. I just spoke to my brother

0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:13.120
<v Speaker 2>the night before for like an hour and a half.

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Was probably one of the best conversations we had in

0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:18.680
<v Speaker 2>our entire life. Speaking after this fight, We're going to

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 2>get our kids, we're going to meet together, we're going

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to go on holidays. And you know, he died from

0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:30.720
<v Speaker 2>a drug overdose and accidental. Yeah, it was an accident.

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:34.799
<v Speaker 2>How it happened. You know, there's a bit of negligence

0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:38.319
<v Speaker 2>involved in things like that. But I decided not to

0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:41.799
<v Speaker 2>focus on that, decided to move forward in my life.

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:46.319
<v Speaker 2>And we had had a decision then to tie the fight,

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 2>take the fight, and go ahead and fight oneman, your

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:57.680
<v Speaker 2>markets all recover and for me, you know, in my head,

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 2>I did what I thought my brother would have wanted.

0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:05.600
<v Speaker 2>In hindsight, he's not with us now. He wasn't with

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:06.200
<v Speaker 2>me then.

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:08.840
<v Speaker 2>But I was a disillusion that he was right on

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:10.560
<v Speaker 2>my shoulder telling me to go ahead and have the

0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 2>fight and missed my That was very mental, strong, personal

0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:15.160
<v Speaker 2>emotional thing.

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is the wrong reason.

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:21.279
<v Speaker 2>To fight emotional, he's giving and giving energy. It took

0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:24.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot out of me. And the key thing with

0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:27.440
<v Speaker 2>that fight, like the media. I couldn't talk to the media,

0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 2>so they'd always mentioned my brother's name, so they put

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.640
<v Speaker 2>a media band mentioned in my brother's name. Because I

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:35.880
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't stop crying. I didn't have anything the masket.

0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I had a drug test. I had a you couldn't

0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:41.480
<v Speaker 2>can't drink alcohol, Like that's what people do. They drink alcohol,

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:43.360
<v Speaker 2>They take drugs when they want to master the paint.

0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:47.080
<v Speaker 2>And I couldn't stop it. I couldn't stop the crying,

0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:51.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, and then then then you know, hindsight, it's

0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:54.200
<v Speaker 2>a wonderful thing. But I've dropped Marquez. I dropped him.

0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:55.759
<v Speaker 2>He was down, he was gone, and all I had

0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:57.359
<v Speaker 2>to do was jumping and do what I did with

0:55:57.400 --> 0:56:00.319
<v Speaker 2>every other fight and finish the guy. I didn't do that.

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I was listening to the noise and I could hear

0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:06.080
<v Speaker 2>the commentator saying, and he's thinking of his brother. And

0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:08.480
<v Speaker 2>for the first time in my life, I've hesitated when

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:11.680
<v Speaker 2>going to finish an opponent. That two or three seconds

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:13.520
<v Speaker 2>would have given him time for him the balance his

0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:19.000
<v Speaker 2>equivalent equivalent it would equally thinking and I just and

0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:20.759
<v Speaker 2>I didn't do it. And then next you know, he's

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 2>come back and he stopped me around nine. I got

0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:27.400
<v Speaker 2>a throat punching round nine and just my legs weren't

0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 2>there like they should have been. I wasn't sleeping in

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 2>the preparation, as we know, sleep so so so important.

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:38.359
<v Speaker 2>I because I was trying to go over how he

0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:40.399
<v Speaker 2>died every night in my head and just thinking about

0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 2>all the things growing up, brighting these brumberies and through

0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:46.160
<v Speaker 2>the graveyard, and you know how he you know, he

0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.000
<v Speaker 2>was riding in the favorite in a week's time. He's

0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:49.880
<v Speaker 2>riding the favorite in the Melbourne Cup. He was on

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.840
<v Speaker 2>shootout in a week after he died. He was he

0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 2>was to be riding shootout in the Melbourne Cup. Who

0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 2>was the favorite? Who would have won? His time road

0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.320
<v Speaker 2>for Alesca staff. He wasn't on. His connection with every

0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:03.640
<v Speaker 2>horse was it was something else. He's like the horse whisper.

0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:11.120
<v Speaker 1>And you know in hindsight that Michael, if you if

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you look back on it, and you know, because we

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 1>talked about preparations, the preparation of the week leading up

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to the big event. In hindsight, if you were talking

0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 1>to another fighter, or just a business person bad to

0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 1>do a big meeting, or a swimmer, what would your advice.

0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Be, don't do it, don't do it, don't go ahead,

0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 3>because yeah, you don't, because if you can't put your

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:38.680
<v Speaker 3>best foot forward, don't put any foot forward, or you

0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:41.520
<v Speaker 3>need to come up with a strategy like something that

0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:42.960
<v Speaker 3>you can say, or you can just be honest.

0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:45.120
<v Speaker 2>In my case is being honest. Would have been the

0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:48.080
<v Speaker 2>best dancer. Your brother just died, your only brother just died.

0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:50.560
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing wrong with that fighting, that's right.

0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:50.800
<v Speaker 1>And.

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:54.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, but what is it with fighters? I make

0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:58.040
<v Speaker 2>just yeah, we got that, well, we've got that determination,

0:57:58.120 --> 0:57:58.680
<v Speaker 2>We've got it.

0:57:58.840 --> 0:58:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I'll be right. Yeah, yeah I'm ready. Yeah, but really,

0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like a proper judicious thought process about what

0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:14.120
<v Speaker 1>it takes to be ready rarely gets done until you

0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.440
<v Speaker 1>mature and become a lot older and you've experienced a

0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:17.080
<v Speaker 1>loss like that.

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. And and then the things that I

0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:25.200
<v Speaker 2>needed to maintain being that fighter stopped. Like I wasn't

0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:28.120
<v Speaker 2>sleeping properly for that fight. I was, and I was

0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:32.240
<v Speaker 2>listening to what the commentators saying as opposed to doing

0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:36.600
<v Speaker 2>what I had to do. Then that went on. Excuse me,

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I didn't apply any of the mental stuff.

0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:43.560
<v Speaker 2>You can just imagine my life was a mess. I didn't

0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:46.160
<v Speaker 2>apply any of the principles that I had. I didn't

0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:49.320
<v Speaker 2>have that that bulletproof mindset. I didn't. I wasn't using

0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:54.080
<v Speaker 2>that andre and I just my style of all out attack.

0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:57.640
<v Speaker 2>That's all I had. You know, when when you're in business, mark,

0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:00.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, you guys have a whole team of executives

0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:04.200
<v Speaker 2>working out a strategy. Correct. Yeah, I was on my own,

0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 2>but they're all out attack. And then that was only

0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:07.600
<v Speaker 2>going to last for so long. It's all out of

0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:11.120
<v Speaker 2>tax style. I didn't. I didn't step back and have someone, hey, look,

0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 2>you need to start doing this doing this. You know,

0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I went my own way. I went went wild. I'd

0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 2>go to do investing in something else, and I'd buy

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:20.680
<v Speaker 2>this house and that property, and I'd do this, and

0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:23.240
<v Speaker 2>I changed my mind a thousand times. And you know,

0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I got on a plane to get to England to

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.000
<v Speaker 2>fight against Ricky Burns, and I was too drunk to

0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:30.960
<v Speaker 2>even get on the plane. You know, I couldn't go daid. Yeah,

0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't go day without drinking or taking drugs. It's

0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:40.000
<v Speaker 2>just it's become my spiral, and bye bye. By taking

0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:46.680
<v Speaker 2>that fight, I procrastinated and prolonged the pain of losing

0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 2>my brother, and then this this addiction and this mental

0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:54.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, this drinking would go on for someone so

0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:58.480
<v Speaker 2>many years, and then eventually, you know, I'd go into recovery,

0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:00.760
<v Speaker 2>and then I'd come out of recovery and I'd have

1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:03.240
<v Speaker 2>all these great ideas, have great connections, great people.

1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:03.480
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I haven't been talking to you sooner,

1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:08.360
<v Speaker 2>but i'd tell you why. It's because my head was

1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:10.800
<v Speaker 2>in a cloud of fog. I didn't even know. I

1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:13.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't know what Arthur from Martha. I couldn't have told

1:00:13.440 --> 1:00:16.120
<v Speaker 2>you what day it was, you know. And here I

1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:19.760
<v Speaker 2>sit and funnier today, thankful because I got locked up

1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:22.680
<v Speaker 2>for two years. I got out seven months ago. And

1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:27.400
<v Speaker 2>when I was the first day sitting in there, unlike

1:00:27.440 --> 1:00:30.360
<v Speaker 2>the first time I went to jail, I said to myself,

1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:34.240
<v Speaker 2>how fucking great is this? You know? For me? I

1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.040
<v Speaker 2>had gratitude because I knew that this is it for me.

1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I knew that I had to come out the other end.

1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I was in there, I saw a lot of things relating.

1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I related to a lot of the other prisoners that

1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:48.640
<v Speaker 2>were in jail. They suffered sexual abuse, they suffered from addiction,

1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:52.240
<v Speaker 2>and stuffered from all sorts of trauma, domestic violence, poverty.

1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I could relate to a lot of these things that

1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:57.840
<v Speaker 2>these guys were suffering from. You. I had my own

1:00:57.840 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 2>little narcotics anonymous group in there, and you've got like

1:01:00.640 --> 1:01:03.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty prisons sitting at a table. The prison wardens would

1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:05.960
<v Speaker 2>come home and go, what's going on here? Like groups

1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.760
<v Speaker 2>of prisons sitting together at one time. Oh, so we're

1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:13.840
<v Speaker 2>just talking about our feelings, you know, and we'd all

1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:16.280
<v Speaker 2>be sitting there, we'd be having our morning share about

1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:20.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, we know, our daily inventory about how we're feeling,

1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:22.720
<v Speaker 2>what's going on inside the head and dealing with the

1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:25.840
<v Speaker 2>emotions and dealing with what was going on, and you know,

1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:29.720
<v Speaker 2>men becoming vulnerable and talking about things. So it started,

1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:32.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know that that was my plan, like

1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:35.760
<v Speaker 2>just start starting from there and helping these guys. And

1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:38.360
<v Speaker 2>that helped me by helping others. And the best way

1:01:38.400 --> 1:01:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to keep something was by giving it away as what

1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I learned, and it just went on being generous.

1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, now where are you at with it all.

1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:51.880
<v Speaker 2>So moving forward, moving forward, so you know, because like

1:01:52.400 --> 1:01:55.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've had two years and eight months. You know,

1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I haven't touched a drink, haven't touched a drug.

1:01:58.000 --> 1:02:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I have, yeah, but do you feel as though you

1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:03.080
<v Speaker 1>want it? Or you're not even interested?

1:02:03.200 --> 1:02:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Not even interested? And because I have this will to succeed,

1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:09.200
<v Speaker 2>all I've got to do is apply the same principles

1:02:09.200 --> 1:02:11.480
<v Speaker 2>that I did with my boxing and when I when

1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:13.680
<v Speaker 2>I first went to the States, and when you want

1:02:13.720 --> 1:02:17.040
<v Speaker 2>something more than you want to breathe like I am now,

1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:19.920
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't even become an option. Why would you? Why

1:02:20.000 --> 1:02:21.880
<v Speaker 2>would you? I've just been there, I've been in jail

1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:26.240
<v Speaker 2>for two years. It's it's it's it's a no brainer

1:02:26.280 --> 1:02:26.640
<v Speaker 2>for me.

1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:29.960
<v Speaker 1>And Joe was probably easy. I don't know it need

1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:32.360
<v Speaker 1>to be easy relative to the ship life you were

1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:35.280
<v Speaker 1>leading prior to that, the drinks, the drugs, you know,

1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:38.360
<v Speaker 1>like bouncing and out of joints, not really fighting properly.

1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:41.880
<v Speaker 1>You'd never been properly prepared, never being happy with yourself.

1:02:42.680 --> 1:02:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Maybe Joe gave you an opportunity to deal with all

1:02:44.640 --> 1:02:45.080
<v Speaker 1>this stuff.

1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:49.560
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's really really sad, but unfortunately that I

1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:53.800
<v Speaker 2>needed it because I was. I was, I was, you know,

1:02:54.680 --> 1:02:57.080
<v Speaker 2>with the law, you know, like I would go into

1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:59.520
<v Speaker 2>recovery for just long enough. I was doing all the programs.

1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:02.240
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't dealt with my trauma. And you have to.

1:03:02.360 --> 1:03:04.600
<v Speaker 2>You have to. You can't be drunk and dealing with

1:03:04.640 --> 1:03:07.600
<v Speaker 2>your trauma. You can't be high and dealing with your trauma.

1:03:08.040 --> 1:03:11.040
<v Speaker 2>And I don't care who these like, who you are.

1:03:10.960 --> 1:03:12.680
<v Speaker 2>And some people are business people. They think they can

1:03:12.720 --> 1:03:14.800
<v Speaker 2>get away with having a line and co cod things

1:03:14.840 --> 1:03:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and think I'm going to be better today. It's not.

1:03:17.920 --> 1:03:20.240
<v Speaker 2>It's not. You know, there's different ways of dealing with things,

1:03:20.240 --> 1:03:22.560
<v Speaker 2>and that they can be a far better self without

1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:26.040
<v Speaker 2>doing doing that need these other habits and vices and things,

1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and these are the same principles. And I know this

1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:30.439
<v Speaker 2>because I've been there and I've done it, and I've

1:03:30.440 --> 1:03:32.720
<v Speaker 2>been able to say I've won the world title. I've

1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:35.480
<v Speaker 2>been in jail. And it's a simple choice.

1:03:35.960 --> 1:03:37.880
<v Speaker 1>So the world title that you're winning, your going now

1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:40.640
<v Speaker 1>is against yourself. I want to be the world I

1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:45.120
<v Speaker 1>want to be Michael, Yeah, world title against the guy

1:03:45.240 --> 1:03:47.040
<v Speaker 1>is not going to get the world title? Yeah yeah?

1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:49.680
<v Speaker 1>And so what to where to from here? Mate, what's

1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:50.160
<v Speaker 1>going to happen?

1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:51.880
<v Speaker 2>So what do you see?

1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Your your what is what's your calling? What's the universe

1:03:54.600 --> 1:03:54.920
<v Speaker 1>telling you?

1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:58.240
<v Speaker 2>So I'm developing a program called the Bulletproof Mindset and

1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:03.000
<v Speaker 2>so based these people can have the best version of themselves.

1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:07.080
<v Speaker 2>So I've got my Instagram page and what is Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Underscore cat Theaters And there's all the information on the

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<v Speaker 2>Bulletproof Mindset. So you know, for example, like you could

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<v Speaker 2>spend hours talking to I'm really excited about this because

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<v Speaker 2>we've got as part of our team, were having an

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<v Speaker 2>industrial psychologist Samantha Vox and uh and we have a

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<v Speaker 2>whole team of people. But we're developing this. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like they could talk to you, you know, for hours

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<v Speaker 2>and hours. You can speak a psychologist for ours and

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<v Speaker 2>psychologists for hours and learn about learn about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your your life and where it's taken you and how

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<v Speaker 2>it's gone away that's going They could say, look, Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>if you keep doing this, you keep being like this

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<v Speaker 2>is steeple like this, your life is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>like this is going to be like that, right. But

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<v Speaker 2>they have this scan that they do with doctor Daniels

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<v Speaker 2>is part of the team, and the scan on your brain.

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<v Speaker 2>They can say this is without even talking to you,

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<v Speaker 2>this is where your life's scoring. This is what you've

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<v Speaker 2>done basically rundown and if you can't continuing like this

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<v Speaker 2>is what's going to happened with your life. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the part of the things that we're

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<v Speaker 2>developed with a bulletproof mindset, getting this scan done on

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<v Speaker 2>you on your on the starting point as a starting point.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we've got a team of coaches that were

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<v Speaker 2>develop and help help people decipher it and give them

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<v Speaker 2>the best road for them to take and in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's that's that's still developing at the moment, and

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<v Speaker 2>all the information is available on my Instagram. But the

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<v Speaker 2>World Championship Maintenance Program the same stuff that I did

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<v Speaker 2>and maintain doing when I was in the States and

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<v Speaker 2>throughout my career when I helped me reach my peak

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<v Speaker 2>and the maximum results. So I got I formed this program.

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<v Speaker 2>This is training alongside many pakyo and and all the

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<v Speaker 2>big things like I learned, I watched, I observed, and

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<v Speaker 2>everything that I did over the years, I picked up

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<v Speaker 2>this set secrets of moves that I do and I've

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<v Speaker 2>got them more for free that I give them the

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<v Speaker 2>people so they can get maximums. I caught the World

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<v Speaker 2>Championship program and yeah, people question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that because your ability to reinvent yourself. But then,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're reinventing yourself, but you're also pulling on those

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<v Speaker 1>things that have always worked for you in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>a mindset, your mindset and structure, discipline and rules, things

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<v Speaker 1>that work. Okay, that's brilliant. Do you think if you

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<v Speaker 1>had a you know, if you took yourself out of

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties and two thousand, two thousands and put yourself

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<v Speaker 1>into today, would you have ever been a UFC guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you? Oh, do you think you would have ever

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<v Speaker 1>afought in the UFC? You know, would you?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you hear me? Yeah? Definitely, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Do you watch UFC?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't mind it. I don't I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>the names of the of the like the big ones

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see and like just the thing that I've always seen,

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<v Speaker 2>like with the kicking sports and grappling and all that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of stuff. There's so many different elements in these sports,

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<v Speaker 2>so many different elements, and it can be much like

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<v Speaker 2>a street fight. But once you get to know the

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<v Speaker 2>sport a bit more, there is a science to it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like and you can appreciate that now. So that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I've always like boxing. It's like mano or mano, man

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<v Speaker 2>against man and there's a science to it and you

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<v Speaker 2>can work out and it's a real it's a real strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's also now been worked into the UFC and

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<v Speaker 2>it's exciting. Right. Do you do boxing on us more.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of practice or watching? I practice. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>box anymore because I'm too old to get it in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do jiu jitsu.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I've enjoyed that Larry Pops up here up here in

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<v Speaker 1>the cross. But I love watching Volkan Volkovsky for example. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love watching volk you know. And they're decent boxes,

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<v Speaker 1>decent wrestlers, are decent everything. I mean, they're tough bastards.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it's there's no referee is not

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<v Speaker 1>pulling anyone off. I'm going to tell you're dead and

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<v Speaker 1>tell you tapping out here, you're done. It's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>it's there's it's a little bit more brutal than boxing, boxing,

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<v Speaker 1>more art, a lot more art involved. Um, unless you

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<v Speaker 1>were you just going into just questioning no matter what. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jeff was like that. Jeff was always in your face. Yeah, never, never, never, never,

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<v Speaker 1>it was back that's right. Yeah, that's about fitness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is a lot of it's about fitness, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know that's a prerequisite though then you would have

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<v Speaker 2>the hunger. Then when you want something so much, then

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<v Speaker 2>you know you can force your will upon your opponent

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<v Speaker 2>and you can beat them that way, and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>actually put the fear of life into them and do

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<v Speaker 2>it that way. You know, but the all out attack

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<v Speaker 2>will only last for so long. You know that comes

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<v Speaker 2>to a point in your life as you get older,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to come up with another strategy. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with so many other back noise and other things

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<v Speaker 2>going on in your life, whether business or boxing or fighting,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll see like you're not going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to come up with a strategy if you can't step

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<v Speaker 2>back and breathe and have a look at what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to be able to assess and you need

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to your team. You got, you can reach

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<v Speaker 2>out to the support. You know you can do those

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<v Speaker 2>things if.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone like you, you know you've made if you and

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<v Speaker 1>if you and I sat down worked out how many

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<v Speaker 1>years you fought, not just in the ring, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>like sparred. How many sparks as she did? How many

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<v Speaker 1>times you got hit in the head. You're pretty good,

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<v Speaker 1>You're okay, you're not affected.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, your memory is really good.

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<v Speaker 1>You're remembering things that happened eleven Yeah, yeah, thanks, remember

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<v Speaker 1>names of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've you've hung in there pretty well. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of talk around these days about context boards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, about specially cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Boxing and how it affects people, you know, dementia, blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah. You're in pretty good shape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, thanks think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, of course I've had a scare before, so.

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<v Speaker 1>I had I soon record. You had a bit discovering,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I had a broken eye socket in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine, which I forgot to tell. But I'm forgetful.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad's forgetful when he was in a boxer. So,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had a brain scan two thousand and nine

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<v Speaker 2>after I got a broken eye socket against Inside's cabido

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<v Speaker 2>August seventeen, two thousand and nine, and that that that

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<v Speaker 2>brain scan, the broken eye socket distorted the anatomy of

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<v Speaker 2>the scan. So so then when I actually had the

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<v Speaker 2>scan but forgot that and showed it to the doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Lewis's doctor who was training me here in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>And the doctor, the doctor John I think his name was,

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot the was no Johnny Lewis was it was no, No,

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<v Speaker 2>not that, not that John No doctor, No, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>that Johnny. I love him. Yeah yeah, but so yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't see that. So but from what he could

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<v Speaker 2>see it was there was no go sign, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because the scarring stored the anatomy. So then I went

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<v Speaker 2>on to get another scan which which went further into

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<v Speaker 2>to my brain to see and it was just the

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<v Speaker 2>scarring from the eye socket the broken which disored it.

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<v Speaker 2>So so I'm in the clear, you know. In the

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<v Speaker 2>lead up to my court things going on. When when

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<v Speaker 2>I had the problems, the judge said I have three

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<v Speaker 2>months to sort treatment for my addiction to drugs and

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol and then three months to get a brain scan done.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I got the brain scan done, I found

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<v Speaker 2>out that my brain was healthy as if not healthier

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<v Speaker 2>than the average man my age. So then my my

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<v Speaker 2>reservation is about about actually metally abolished. Then I just

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<v Speaker 2>I just knew that all you've got to do is

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<v Speaker 2>stay healthy. Do is look after yourself. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>give yourself the time of day, eat right, sleep, exercise.

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<v Speaker 2>You have problems percific please see a doctor is yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And also it also don't have a company locate your

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<v Speaker 1>life with stupid stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep a simple stupid Yeah, just keep us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's back and simple. And again because often we complicated

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<v Speaker 1>ouralyves with things where we compromise ourselves, compromise our values,

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<v Speaker 1>and that can fuck you. Yeah, because you get guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sleep properly, yeah, sort of, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>feel bad about the ship you're doing, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like there's enough things in our lives to

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<v Speaker 1>give us stress as it is. You don't need any

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<v Speaker 1>more stress run around your system, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think what you're doing, Michaels is inspirational to other not

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<v Speaker 1>just fighters, sports people, but inspirational to people who I

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<v Speaker 1>think they've they've got a tough gig. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and really it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that tough at the end of the day, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have responsibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I want to that's what I want, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>because I want to empower other people. That's like part

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<v Speaker 2>of my mission. Now I want to look at what

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<v Speaker 2>I did. Like you know what when you started boxing

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<v Speaker 2>and like and the more you got better at it,

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<v Speaker 2>you realize it's not rocket science. It's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>why didn't I think of that. It's like it becomes

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<v Speaker 2>like a real challenge to here and then you start

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<v Speaker 2>mastering the art of it and that and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>same principles on pass on. You know, I want my

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<v Speaker 2>boxing course, my my my can see this blueprint boxing system.

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<v Speaker 2>I want that to be the best fundamental boxing program

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<v Speaker 2>in the world so people can learn and they can

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<v Speaker 2>know so basic and the things you know, because when

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about looking after your mind, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>that bit of training, that boxing training you do is

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<v Speaker 2>looking after yourself. I think that. I think that just

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<v Speaker 2>taking that time out for yourself and just focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>on throwing the punch correctly and then exerting it. So

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<v Speaker 2>is a form of meditation. So to speak to you

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<v Speaker 2>because you're not thinking about what's happening on down the

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<v Speaker 2>road or there's other stuff that you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't Yeah, you can't, or you're going to copy it right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And how much of And to find a question though, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>how much of it is is your cat see this

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<v Speaker 1>program your blueprint about not getting hit. It's as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to just run. Yeah you used to yeh, you were

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<v Speaker 1>always be to cop it, right, Yeah, how much is

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<v Speaker 1>it about?

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<v Speaker 2>It's the number one that it's my number one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>the key thing always so so when you punch, When

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<v Speaker 2>you throw a punch, the fastest point from A to

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<v Speaker 2>B is from A to B.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure is distance, yeah yeah, but so.

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<v Speaker 2>Many times people go all right, I'm going to punch,

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<v Speaker 2>now here is a B, C, D E not a B,

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<v Speaker 2>you know? Or they go to this one, this one,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna hit you with this. No one's going to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the head still to cop the punch. So emphasize

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<v Speaker 2>on just basic fundamentals and things so so people get

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<v Speaker 2>it so they can get it. Doesn't matter who you

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<v Speaker 2>are all over the world. You can get it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can do it, and you can see it work,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know straight away if it's not working.

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<v Speaker 2>I get them to center video of themselves back so

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<v Speaker 2>they can get many young kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Many young kids are still in the fight game, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still a patron here, Willow. Yeah, but we don't

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<v Speaker 1>get many kids in there anymore. Boxing get a few girls.

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<v Speaker 1>We get a few girls, and that day is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good if we get a lot of kids down there.

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<v Speaker 1>But like generally speaking, not not like it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Boxing is great, you know, and you know you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's not.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot getting more girls though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Women's sport is picking up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's and women are naturally more aggressive than guys,

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<v Speaker 2>as you probably know they are. And they're tough too, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>tough airs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty And by the way, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing that I got to sit in front of

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<v Speaker 1>Micout Sieges. Thank you, I really appreciate, mate. And from

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<v Speaker 1>one boxing fan to another boxing fan now and from

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<v Speaker 1>one Greek to another Greek, well done.

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<v Speaker 2>Mate, Thank you mate.

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<v Speaker 1>Good You're welcome.