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Speaker 1: Boris and this is straight talk. Michael Cats. Welcome mate

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Speaker 1: to straight talk.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm very privileged to have you sit in front of

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Speaker 1: me like this, mate, privileged to be here. Turn it

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Speaker 1: up right mate, Okay, We've got a lot to cover. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as you know, I'm a boxing student, tragic. I love

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Speaker 1: the game. But there's lots of talk about, particularly in

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Speaker 1: relation to your career. But probably importantly, take me back

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Speaker 1: to midwest. We call Queensland. Whether it's up on the

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Speaker 1: table lands, isn't it. Yeah, take me back to who

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Speaker 1: Michael CATSI this was as a young kid. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know you box from a very young age. Amts

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Speaker 1: your dad a box at what's the deal?

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Speaker 2: No? No, dad comes from Greece. He was born there.

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Speaker 2: He's from a very small, small village called Ataraki. It's

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Speaker 2: near Larissa, which is three hours in lands from Athens.

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Speaker 2: So you come over here when you I think he

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Speaker 2: was like twenty years old something like that and married Mum.

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Speaker 2: She's from Mari and they married to Ma. Yeah yeah yeah, mum,

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Speaker 2: yeah yeah. But they were very young and they had

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Speaker 2: my brother and I. There's eighteen months difference between Stathi,

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Speaker 2: my older brother. We went on to go into our

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Speaker 2: respective sports. Well, I was. I was born later, born

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Speaker 2: in Timba, so I was born and bred out of

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Speaker 2: Timba and got into the boxing. My brother got into

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Speaker 2: the horse racing.

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Speaker 1: We both Stuffy was older than you. But was he

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Speaker 1: born in Toma too? He was.

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Speaker 2: He was actually born in Mare born. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 2: folks move out to but that's right, and I was

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Speaker 2: born eighteen months later, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you just said stay went into the jockey. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we just went into the young kids. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like our sport of kings. Really why did

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Speaker 2: choose boxing and racing, don't? I think it's the the adrenaline,

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Speaker 2: like the adrenaline rush that you get from the sports,

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Speaker 2: and just the challenge like like like I remember being

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Speaker 2: as a little kid and Dad used to go and help

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Speaker 2: a lot of people that couldn't afford to have their

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Speaker 2: graves completed and that. So we had some people, old

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Speaker 2: people lived in our neighborhood and he'd talk to them

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Speaker 2: and he'd learned that he was a concreted by trade,

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Speaker 2: so that we'd spend like days on end, like on

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Speaker 2: a weekends, Daddo'd go and help these people do love

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Speaker 2: jobs basically. And we were in these graveyards till late

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Speaker 2: at night, and not late at night, but until dark basically,

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Speaker 2: which is late enough in a graveyard. And that'd be

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Speaker 2: finishing off these these boneheads for people's days. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but there was these old brumbies in there like charity

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Speaker 2: thing just just to help you just love jobs to

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Speaker 2: people who hadn't been other get you know, proper graves

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Speaker 2: complete for their parents and stuff. This has gone back

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Speaker 2: like forty you know, long thirty five years ago, at

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Speaker 2: least thirty eight years. But there's all these brumbies in

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Speaker 2: there in the graveyard and we'd jump on the horses

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Speaker 2: and we just ride them and like I just no

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Speaker 2: way not doing this bare back, bare back. Yeah, just

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Speaker 2: jump him and my brother would just he would just

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Speaker 2: hang on. He would just go. He would just go.

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Speaker 2: He would fly, you know. He's yeah, he was fearless,

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Speaker 2: always fearless. And my grandfather, my mom's father, he's passed,

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Speaker 2: but he was a jockey and also a horse trainer

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Speaker 2: as well being timber has An Australia's first ever twilight

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Speaker 2: racing and Timber so very popular industry start. He just

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Speaker 2: you know, he was twelve.

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Speaker 1: Years of age.

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Speaker 2: You'd go to the you know, go be cleaning out

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Speaker 2: very much involved in against him from a very young age.

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Speaker 2: He was always destined to be a jockey. That was

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Speaker 2: what he was always going to do.

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Speaker 1: But he knew it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he just knew that's what he wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: He didn't finish school. He stept out grade nine. He

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Speaker 2: stepped out and then he just just become an apprentice.

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Speaker 2: And just I remember being a little kid ringing people,

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Speaker 2: starthy cats is calling. I was wondering if you need

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Speaker 2: a jockey for the weekend on your and ring up.

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Speaker 2: You know. He was just you know, you just keep

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Speaker 2: under be one of Australia's greatest horse riders.

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Speaker 1: So I would just give me a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a sense of Toomba, you know long ago. It was

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Speaker 1: I guess. And then you've got two half casts. One

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Speaker 1: going to become a box. He might be, but it

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Speaker 1: might not have worked that out. But his job, you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have worked that out. But like these two boys

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Speaker 2: Look, look dad, Dad was a very hard worker. So

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Speaker 2: he was he was a concrete and he had a

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Speaker 2: lot of people working for him as well. Excuse me.

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Speaker 2: We were just very dedicated guys, like to to our

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Speaker 2: sport and I think we for ours, for us to

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Speaker 2: receive any sort of gratitude, we would just work really

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Speaker 2: hard and do really well. So we always were pushed.

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Speaker 2: Our parents would always take us to sports and you know,

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Speaker 2: we take we'd play soccer, you know, we'd play a

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Speaker 2: lot of soccer and whatever it is, activities, we'll get it.

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Speaker 2: Mum and Dad would always take us to it. So

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Speaker 2: but in Twimber, you know, for us, you know, we

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Speaker 2: would blend in and and you know, but it's tumers

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Speaker 2: like it's a beautiful place, beautiful people country down but

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Speaker 2: now now it's actually a city. Has grown over the years.

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Speaker 2: But back when we were living there, there would have

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Speaker 2: only been like eighty thousand, one hundred thousand people. Now

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Speaker 2: I think there's up to two hundred and two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty thousand people in Timber.

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Speaker 1: It's quite a wealthy area too.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it has perpa per capita has for a

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Speaker 2: long time had the largest amount of millionaires really per capita.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, probably coming from grazing families or.

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Speaker 2: But in Wombera and Britain, yeah, Downlands College in Timber

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Speaker 2: they'd send them to go to Downlands or grammar school.

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Speaker 1: Not many boxes you can say they got a background,

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Speaker 1: going to a good school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and that's just how did you get that

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Speaker 2: sporting thing? No, yes, yeah, scholarship was one avenue that

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Speaker 2: we could have went along. But like boxing hasn't really

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Speaker 2: been an accepted sport, like back, we're going back a

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Speaker 2: while now, like I graduated in nineteen ninety eight. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's you know, it wasn't boxing wasn't something a sport

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Speaker 2: that you would get a scholarship for, whereas now I

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Speaker 2: do believe people do get scholarships for boxing and someone.

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Speaker 2: But and soccer was a sport that I was always

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Speaker 2: really good as well. I paid representative soccer, but rugby

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Speaker 2: union or rugby league and those sort of things. Yet

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Speaker 1: What did your parents just send you there as a

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Speaker 2: They paid the fees, and you know, Dad was a

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Speaker 2: it was like my I was lucky to have parents

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Speaker 2: on later in life what they really meant. But Greek, yeah,

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Speaker 2: well mum did speak great, she did. Mum was very intelligent,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that's around yeap. Mum.

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Speaker 1: So you guys are coys and she's down here, that's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as okay, so you're at school and at this stage

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Speaker 1: you're playing soccer, but we're just started thinking about boxing.

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Speaker 2: But like boxing, Like I was seven years old and

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Speaker 2: I watched the Rocky movies and that's just got me.

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Speaker 2: That's me, right, but a bit of a knucklehead really

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Speaker 2: I said, I want to be world champion. This is

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Speaker 2: this is bad, but I said it to me. That

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Speaker 2: and you know, he just thought it was great that

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Speaker 2: I wanted to do boxing, and you know, eventually I

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Speaker 2: found boxing and that was when, you know, in Tormbo,

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Speaker 2: And I went down and I got punched up and

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Speaker 2: I got two black eyes, you know, And the next

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Speaker 2: for me that was a win. Yeah, because I thought

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Speaker 2: was really challenging. And for me to get one black

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Speaker 2: That was a big winner. And it's just it just

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Speaker 2: was really scared, like I didn't I didn't how to fight.

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Speaker 2: And then whenever there's any altercations, you know, there was,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm glad that you said this because look, Australians,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Look, I was really privileged to be an

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Speaker 2: But you know Australia is you know, the day that

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's a different it's a whole different thing.

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Speaker 2: Like you you are, you're put in front of the

432
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Speaker 2: world as as your country as you're you're the country's Olympians.

433
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 2: So the most elite, yeah, the most elite.

434
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

435
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you put up on this high pedestal and then

436
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 2: after it's over, there's nothing left it and that has

437
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 2: a psychological effect on athletes, and you know, and then

438
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 2: sometimes the lies. You know, it's not always about it's

439
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 2: not always adulation. And that's the life is not always

440
00:20:58,560 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: like rosy impeachy.

441
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 1: It's not there's no money to do.

442
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: Actually no, there's no and there's you know, and it's

443
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 2: always been a very hard task. That's why hats hats.

444
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 2: My hat goes off to people like Anthony Mundane and

445
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 2: and Danny Graham, you know, fellow them, big teammate like

446
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: that for things I was to pull out money out

447
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 2: of the sport. They've done so so so good or.

448
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 1: Something like Danny too, is about what he did after

449
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 1: boxing as well. He's got that two round fitness. It's

450
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 1: got a new name you. Tommy's got a new box

451
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: boxes Yeah, and uh and and Chocked the same. I mean,

452
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: Chock's got a whole lot of businesses. He different And

453
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 1: Tony tells me, I don't know, talk about it, Tony.

454
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 2: I was messaging before I come on to that.

455
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're active, they're always active. Danny's always active

456
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: and sort of moved away from well he's still got

457
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: something to a boxing, but he's sort of moved away

458
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: from the art of boxing as opposed he still has

459
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: a boxing in his DNA and Bonanthy's move away completely

460
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: from it. So you're you come back from Olympics. You

461
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 1: got knocked out in the second second.

462
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, lost on points. Yeah yeah, I'm made to

463
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: the second round of competition. Yeers.

464
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 1: It's funny like Fennick Jeff Jeff Jeff one he would

465
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: have gone in for the for a medal about but

466
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: they reversed Boxing Federation whoever it is, reversed the decision

467
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: against him, and he left him discussed. I don't think

468
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 1: will Tomlinson never did very well, Jacko didn't, Luke didn't

469
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: do very well at the Olympics. But all these guys

470
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: gone out of either one world titles like you or

471
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: Luke was a you know like fort food world title.

472
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: Jeff won world titles and lots of them. Any won

473
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: the world title. There's and I wonder what happens post Olympics.

474
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: So what happened to you post Olympics? How did you

475
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Speaker 1: become the professional fighter you became that you weren't as

476
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Speaker 1: a fighter.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So like it did have a I think it

478
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: did have a psychological effect, like looking back, like it

479
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: was an adulation, like it's you know, there was controversy,

480
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: you know, and I got charged for assault in two

481
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: thousand and two.

482
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: That's just after it, because you're in the two thousand bits.

483
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, and you know that,

484
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: you know I got convicted of that, and you know

485
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 2: it's because you sort of know, just keeping your mind busy.

486
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: You know, there's a bit there's a bit of downtime

487
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: and things, and it has a psychological effect on you,

488
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: I guess, and you know, and then you look for

489
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: gratify gratification in other areas, I guess, and then your

490
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: life can easily take a whiny turn. You know, everything's

491
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: not always as perfect as what what it was, and

492
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: you know, you sort of lose sight of your goal.

493
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Speaker 1: Did someone did some of them when you come up Olympics?

494
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: Just someone come try and pick you up and like

495
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: put you into a into a pro program, professional program.

496
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 2: After the Olympics.

497
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: No, so so so that's where you lost your way

498
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: a bit.

499
00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So so the there's the psychological support now

500
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: is there's there's much more support resources out there available

501
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: now to people needing any sort of assistance and help.

502
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: Like that's one thing I can speak for from experience,

503
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: not to say that it wasn't there. Then they did

504
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: offer something, but I think it's there's like a what

505
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: do they call it? They they yeah, they you know,

506
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: when you finish in the big games and then then

507
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: you have a debrief, but yeah you feel about this,

508
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, and all that stuff, and that wasn't so

509
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: much pushed. But I think these days they push it,

510
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: you know, push push it upon the athletes and things

511
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: like that. But look, look, my real savior was like

512
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: I really went into my once I finished the other

513
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: big games. Look, it wasn't for me. I was a brawler.

514
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: They're not saying there's no intelligence involved in brawling, because

515
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: you're still in there, you're taking punches, you're give them punches.

516
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: It's still all boxing. You're brawling. But I found a

517
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: lot more success in putting the fear of the fear

518
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: of the of life into into my opponents. So, you know,

519
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 2: they had all the skills, and I thought Joel cast

520
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: Male gold Mellis for Cuba all this sort of thing,

521
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: you know, and pretty well had the guy beat, you know.

522
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: But I put the fear of life in and I

523
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 2: just kept on going and going and going and just

524
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: being that brawler and just and just they're all out attack. Yeah,

525
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 2: you know, and that brought me a lot of success

526
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: throughout my professional career. So after going in the big games,

527
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: I want to stay told in my first fight when

528
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 2: the Australian title with my second fight when twelve three

529
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: minute rounds and just went on to have great success.

530
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: I built up my record to twenty three fights with

531
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: twenty three wins with twenty one knockouts and.

532
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: Had lightweight division.

533
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: In the lightweight division, yeah, yeah.

534
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: Which those people are listening, that's the equivalent division that

535
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: Cambosis is into the moment. I think, yeah, Natives boy

536
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: hasses in the all right lightweight division. I think he's

537
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 1: just kind of strange champion, Okay, and yeah, so we

538
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: were talking. It's a pretty heavily contested division, by the way,

539
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: especially at the moment like back then too as well.

540
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: You get some of the eight fighters oh lightweight. Yeah,

541
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: at the moment, it's great. These guys aren't believable. It's

542
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: a very basis like these guys something special.

543
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: It's heavily contested, heavily contested. So you're in the lovemad division.

544
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: So you you're I do want to go back to

545
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: your when you got to rest for arrested for and

546
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: charged and convicted for assault. What happens to a boxer

547
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: They lose their way a little bit. We'll not lose

548
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: the way bit like young bloke come from being put

549
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: up on a pedal stall at the Limits Games in

550
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: Sydney or high heightened awareness and all sort of stuff.

551
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: Doesn't do as well as you wanted to do. Obviously,

552
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: sort of back to it. It's not picked up by

553
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: as a professional probably a little bit rudderless of that state.

554
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: It's still a young guy. But you've gone through this.

555
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: You're living this life where you're sparring and jumping in

556
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: the ring with blokes like you know, you're willing. You

557
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: know how it works, you know what I mean? Yeah,

558
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: do you do you? Did you get on the drink

559
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: or something like that? Like what was the situation?

560
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: No, No, it wasn't, because your next fighter was.

561
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: It was.

562
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: It was it was self defense basically. But like you

563
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: know how much self defense you are entitled to? You know,

564
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: like the it's gonna be that's right. So the judge

565
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: said that I was entitled to self defense. However I

566
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: broke the guys draw in two places. But he said,

567
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: you could have timed your punches precisely to break the

568
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: the men's draw in two places. So that's excessive use

569
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: of self defense. So the fact that that I pleaded

570
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: not guilty and then got guilty as a result of it, yeah,

571
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: I've got the maximum penalty for it. So I had

572
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: to serve time. You know that. That's that's you know,

573
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: that's a lot not a lot of no people. Very

574
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: few people next to Nune would be able to say

575
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: they've been the Olympic Games and they've been the jail

576
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: as well. So look, I had some things I had

577
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: to overcome, and you know that was that was a

578
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: real challenging time in my life.

579
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: And I think just explained the moment because I think

580
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: it needs to be explained, So maybe do it as

581
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: a good example, a given example. So if someone breaks

582
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: into my house and he has a wooden tennis racket,

583
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's his weapon. Okay, if I have a gun,

584
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm entitled to defend myself, but not unreasonably so I can't.

585
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: So having a gun. A gun is too powerful for

586
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: a tennis racket, so that'd be deemed to be an

587
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: unreasonable use of excessive force.

588
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: You have a gun's license, are you're trained guns?

589
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: Assuming I've got a license GA so, and let's say,

590
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: in defending myself, I wounded him, the judge would say,

591
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: that's not self defense, Mark, that's excessive and unreasonable use

592
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: of force, which is which negates yours your your defense

593
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: self defense defense in the court case. Therefore, I'll probably

594
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: get convicted. For a boxer, particularly someone who's been Olympic games,

595
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: if you're doing one on one with somebody, let's say

596
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: weren't a boxer and he was confronting you, threatening you,

597
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: he's going to knock you out whatever. You can defend yourself.

598
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: If you're not a boxing if you hit him on

599
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: the chin, happens to bous so be Yeah, but the

600
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: rules are if you're a fighter, that's right, you've got

601
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: a weapon in your hands in that you're a trained

602
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: expert at it, and therefore that would be considered to

603
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: be unreasonable force and excess Yeah.

604
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: So to speak, yes, I get it, I get yeah,

605
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: there is, but there's also different variables that have to

606
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: be taken into consideration when assessing a judge and and

607
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: the judge as a as a duty you know, as

608
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: a judge to do the way they You know, there's

609
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: other sorts of things that you know back then, like

610
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: I can own up that you know, I wasn't forthright completely,

611
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: you know, like at first I tried lying about the

612
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: the the incident and things like that. So you know,

613
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: was I an honest young man?

614
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: You know? No?

615
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't. Was I prepared to own up for it?

616
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: No?

617
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't straight away? You know, how do I had

618
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: I been able to have accountability then, which are things

619
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: I've learned later in life and the hard way, but

620
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: but having accountabilities could have done me so much more.

621
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: And you know, just having gratitude that i'd been through

622
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: the Olympic Games and just you know, and just been

623
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: thankful that I was able to have had that and

624
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: then move forward. You know, looking back in hindsight's such

625
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: a wonderful thing.

626
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: But you had to expect of yourself when you're young.

627
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I don't feel any sort of resentment. I

628
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: don't feel feilthy about what's happened or what's having you know,

629
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent accountable because like I know more

630
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: than anyone because I was there. I know what happened,

631
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: you know, and you know, like you know, was a

632
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: judge harsh for me? I don't know, like maybe maybe not,

633
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: but like I have to own it because.

634
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: Then you do the time. Yeah, I did the spend

635
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: eight months eight months.

636
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: At Woodford where is that at in Queensland somewhere out there?

637
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and howd you do? Time?

638
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: It was all right, so inside confronting, you know, I

639
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: had I had some fights inside because I was young,

640
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: you know, I was young, and you know, and then

641
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: to be put in there with like hardened criminals, you know,

642
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: like I've got I got challenged, you know, you know,

643
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: being a little guys a challenge. Yeah, this this this

644
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: little guy out there, he's a fighter.

645
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: You know.

646
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: At the time, I was Australian champion as well. And

647
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: you know, I remember having pretty pretty vicious fights in

648
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: there because I was I was willing back then, you know,

649
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: you don't think and you're just willing to go on

650
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: with it. But looking back, I could have killed someone. Yeah,

651
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: it was pretty bad. There's even like to the very day,

652
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: people with their witnesses still speak about the fights that

653
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: they saw me have in jail, and you know, like

654
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: one guy's ear was hanging off by a thread, like

655
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: this is what you have to do to defend yourself.

656
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: Because no referee, no referee.

657
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: Now you've got a guys one hundred and ten kilos,

658
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: I'm probably sixty five kilos ringing wet.

659
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: You know that sort of guy's challenge.

660
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I'm up against the wall and I

661
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: can't even you know, he's just trying to stand over

662
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: me and own my gloves, and there's what can I

663
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: do about it? Like, you know, you have to back

664
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: yourself and just straight away. So I've had to knock

665
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: this guy out five times whilst and jail, and then

666
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: he's still kept coming, still kept coming, and I've just

667
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm stuck. Now I'm up against the wall. He's smashing me.

668
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: Now he's come back after me and dropped that many times,

669
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: and I've got my arm free hook. Hook has kept

670
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: on hook until his ear was hanging off by over

671
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: thread and then there's nothing but a pool of blood everywhere.

672
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: And to this very day, as I said, guys still

673
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: talk about what they saw that time. But that's something

674
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: that I had to that's something I had to deal with.

675
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: No gloves, no mouth guard, no no.

676
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: He I had wrapped on my hands. Actually, I was

677
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: about to do some bad work, so that helps. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

678
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: you're smiling. I guess you sort of can think back

679
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: now you're an old and glad I'm not there.

680
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. And what happened after that? So

681
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: who picked you up? What happened after that? So when

682
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: you came out, Yeah, you just you wanted to keep

683
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: the boxing going because you're still the strain champion. Did

684
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: the boxing, I know, but don't you don't you get

685
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: not canceled whatever. God, Now they look at your license,

686
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: they look at that goes on.

687
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: So anyway, so that was so, that was so I

688
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: was the whole time I was there, I was manifesting.

689
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to win a world title. I

690
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: still had that dream to win a world title and

691
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: I still had and and you know, I had to

692
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: work towards that. And then I teamed up with Brendan

693
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: Smith at that stage. He saw a lot of you know,

694
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: a lot of potential in me, and I just kept

695
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: on striving and striving and pushing through and you know,

696
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: as I said, I built my record up. But you know,

697
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: I was hanging out with you know, some you know

698
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: people that weren't good for my life. They weren't serving

699
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 2: me and you know, hanging around the bad crowds basically,

700
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: And I looked I had a good hard thing to myself,

701
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: like if I want to win a world title, what

702
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: do I need to do? Like, there's no there's all

703
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: these different roads that could have taken. So I just

704
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: had to back myself. So I booked a one way ticket.

705
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: I went to the States. You know it was but

706
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: I didn't come back for six years.

707
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: You could get into you.

708
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: No, No, yeah, I could get in. So I was

709
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: there's some planning in preparation went too that beforehand. So

710
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: because I got offered fights to go to the States.

711
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: For first I was fighting at the Playboy mansion and Belaire, Yeah,

712
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: Hugh Heffner's Playboy mentioned that's where I was fighting. That

713
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: was my first fight ESPN against Bernaldo Rays. That was

714
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 2: the name of the guy I was fighting. I've gone

715
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: down to the US Embassy here in Sydney and I've

716
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: spoken them and they said, look, because of your criminal conviction,

717
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: you're not going to go to America, and even after

718
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: five years, but they're not going to let me go.

719
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: They said, no. That was that was like a real

720
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: downer time in my life. I just got rejected. So

721
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: fortunately enough, my lawyer at the time, Damian Arrow, he

722
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: was pretty close with Premier Beauty. Of course, you remember

723
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: the Premier Beauty Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

724
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: He made love of sport. Yeah.

725
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: He wrote a letter to the US Embassy pretty much

726
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: condoning that, you know, saying how great a guy was,

727
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: how hard done by I was in the case, and

728
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: to give me consideration to you know. So I got

729
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: a one working p one working visa wow in America,

730
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: so we already set the go in the fires. But

731
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: I was still fighting the local network in Australia and

732
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: still doing things. But so that was already set. So

733
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: when an opportunity to come up, I could have flown

734
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 2: over done on my training here, but by living in Australia,

735
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: I was still still it wasn't serving me. I just

736
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: knew that I had to I had to do something

737
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: to make it work because I'd seen so I've looked

738
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: at those around me, others going on my pathway and

739
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: what they're going to, and there's just nothing there. So

740
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: I just had to back myself. Had a house, had

741
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: my family here and everything that with very little money

742
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: because there's no money in Australian box. I don't care

743
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: what anyone says. Australia as a whole. That's why I'm

744
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: saying about money. And how is that? And he did

745
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: do it with the boxing, and Green did it early

746
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: with the boxing. Yeah, they made some decent amount of money,

747
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: and yes they did make it later on in business, correct.

748
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: But they're smart guys. The smart guy it's really hard

749
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: to get ahead. And and you know, I just had

750
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: to back myself. So I've got whatever I could. I

751
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: booked a two thousands, I went flew to Sydney. He

752
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: paid two thousand dollars cash for a ticket, and flew

753
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: straight to straight to America on my own. And I

754
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: rang Brand and I said, I'm in America and I've

755
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: got I just had to get away. This is what

756
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: I got to do. And he backed me. He said, yeah, okay, Mick,

757
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: I'll be right over. I'm coming.

758
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: Because you know, he came out.

759
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he believed in me, and if he didn't, it

760
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: wouldn't things wouldn't may not have panned out the way

761
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: that they did. And so you know, he backed me,

762
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: and you know, flying over to America and by the

763
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: time brand. So I stayed at Marina Delray first day,

764
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: some hotel near the airport, and then a few days

765
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: later Brandon come over. We stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel,

766
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: and then I've gone From the Roosevelt Hotel, we walked

767
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: out there's a premiere for Rocky five on that On

768
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: that that same night, we walked out Sylvesta salone shaking

769
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: the hands and we shook his hand. Wow, Sylvester Sellone

770
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: is that this is like the first day Brendan arrived

771
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: and it was a sign, It was a sign made.

772
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: These things are happening more so than ever now in

773
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: my life, like signs and and moments and things. And

774
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: don't even get me started on that. But there's you know,

775
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 2: soul flares released from the sun. There's a different energy

776
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: just that.

777
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: I do you find those those things the universe? Right? Yeah?

778
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: What do we call it? Do you think that they

779
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: would be able to account for your resilience and the

780
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: fact that you said, stuff, I'm going to go to Sydney. Yeah,

781
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to us. If you hadn't got had that mindset,

782
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have walked in, You wouldn't have able to

783
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: meet a silver sloan, which.

784
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: Is the thing that gave you a whole to pursue

785
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: time ago.

786
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: Do you think those things that given that you're open

787
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: to perceiving these things is let's call them signs or

788
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: gets from the universe or or someone tapping on the

789
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: should team or to do yep? Do you think there

790
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: are the things that give you your resilience because you're a

791
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: resilient bustard, like you've had lots of ups and downs,

792
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: but you still manage to keep going or is it

793
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: just you?

794
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can. You can relate this to business success

795
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: and you know about that. And so it's just about

796
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: tapping on doors and go this way and you tap

797
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: on the right thles, you know, And it's just consistency

798
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: and keeping at it and keeping at it and just

799
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: going different pathways. And you know you have a plan.

800
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: You know, I basically had a plan that I need

801
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: to go to the States and my dream was to

802
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: win a world title. But I planned, like I couldn't

803
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: just get on and book a one way ticket to

804
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: the States. There was a bit of planning involved in

805
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: that as well. But if you want something more than

806
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: you want to breathe, then you're going to achieve it.

807
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: So then so I left everything in Australia, I committed

808
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: myself and I just I just got stuck into it. Now.

809
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: I believe it's you can manifest things. That's a big

810
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: part of it. I believe that you know what you

811
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: believe and how much you want something that will determine

812
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: the outcome. And it's it's not just gonna it's not

813
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: just going to happen by magical thing. But it's the

814
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: want and the will, and there's and there's there are energies,

815
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: you know, there there are things that make this happen.

816
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: You know, whether you caught your higher power or you know,

817
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: so many things that can determine the outcome of certain things.

818
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: And you know, and then business as well, you know,

819
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: like you just do the right things and you keep

820
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: tapping on the doors and you set things up the

821
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: right way. If you keep at it, you're going to

822
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: get there.

823
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: And how much of the consistency though, like you know,

824
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: like not only have you got to you know, like

825
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: follow that path, You've got to you to look for

826
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: the path. You've got to be open to it. You know,

827
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: now I'm going to get it. We'll get away from

828
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: this mob who are so maybe not help me out

829
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: here doing it. I'm not it's just not good for me.

830
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: Don't have to make a judgment, but just not good

831
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: for me. You don't make a judgment bout them, then

832
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to make the call. I'm going

833
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: to buy the ticket, I'm going to go to America.

834
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to do all the other stuff in between,

835
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: going to get the visa and you know something, get

836
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: topeter beating and make sure I get that that process going.

837
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: But then it becomes out of effort. There's a lot

838
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: of effort involved, a lot of driving this ship. Like

839
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: you've got to keep driving yourself, get yourself up in

840
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: the morning because it doesn't happen overnight. Where you get

841
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: that from that? What you go and work in the

842
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: concrete his whole.

843
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of it's trial and error. You know,

844
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: you do a lot of trial and error, and then

845
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: it's easy when you're looking back to say, oh, I

846
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: wish I did it this way. You know, we should

847
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 2: do it that way, but you didn't, you know, but

848
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: but you know, but by trial and error, and I

849
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: still had that youth in me. I still had that

850
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: drive to want to do it. So there's a lot

851
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: of trial and error, and then I had to cut

852
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: out a lot of vices. Like there's going to be

853
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: a lot of noise in your head with like other

854
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 2: things going on. You're like, like, what's happening back at home?

855
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: What's going on? Who cares? This is what I really want?

856
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: And sometimes in business or successful boxing people in that

857
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: business are successful, they seem like they're really rude or

858
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: ruthless people in that but they all narcissists, so to speak.

859
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: But like they just they just have a goal. They

860
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 2: have a goal and they're going to be successful. They

861
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: cut out all the things, the things that are going

862
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: to be holding them back, like noise, it's just noise

863
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: and and and that's so that's what I had to do.

864
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: So i'd go, so training, like your fitness is a prerequisite.

865
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: You have to be fit, you know, And like that's

866
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: why I'm developing, Like I'm on the online coaching business now,

867
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: that's what I'm doing and developing, you know, this bulletproof mindset.

868
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm developing the maintenance program. So everything that I was

869
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: doing back then that got me to the levels that

870
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: I achieved, I put into a training program. So but

871
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: I had to do these things every day, every day,

872
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 2: all the time, so you know, whilst looking for a

873
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: place to live in America, you know, and then working

874
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: out you know, how I was going to make it happen.

875
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: And so I had like a bit of a team.

876
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: I started building a support network around me, and Brandon

877
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 2: was a really big part of that, really big part

878
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 2: of that, and the booking in this fight, making sure,

879
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: you know, his main charge was going to be ready

880
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: and going to be right. So I was just like knew,

881
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: like say, when you when you if you want to

882
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: be the best, you got to hang out with the best.

883
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: You got to associate with the best. So what they do.

884
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: I went to the wild Card Gym Hollywood, training side

885
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: Minnie Paco all the rest. Just walked in there. I

886
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: I'm from Australia. I've got a record, you know, some

887
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: of the underfeed record. And I said, okay, you had

888
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: no worries, so oh, you know, I just started just

889
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: rubbing shouldals with those guys doing the hard work there.

890
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: It was all new. It was scary, it was intimidating,

891
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: But how were I was twenty six? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

892
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: it was because that's the difference between tomber there. Oh mate,

893
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 2: like you just I've call them from now I'm living

894
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: in a big smoke. Yeah, just just trying to make

895
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: my own and I started to actually, if, like I

896
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: said earlier, if you want to make something more than

897
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: you want to breathe, then you're going to achieve it.

898
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: So I started making friends. I started talking to people that,

899
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: you know, that were like minded, and they could see

900
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: they could, but they start believing you as well. And

901
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: you know, when you're as close as to what Brendan

902
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: and I were, well, he jumped on the flight and

903
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: comes straight over. He backed me. He saw that drive

904
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: like he supported me. But I gave him that drive

905
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: like he could see that hunger in then what I had.

906
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: So you know, he's not long after you seen me

907
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: going in the world card all the time, training all

908
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: the time, doing all my maintenance broke and doing all

909
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: this stuff, and it wasn't long. And then he was

910
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: very close to securing a world total fight at Wembley

911
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: Arena and in London against Graham Earle. So we had

912
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: a decision to make them. So we flew to Brooklyn

913
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: Gleason's gym in New York and we trained that like

914
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: it was minor six degrees back then. It was so coold.

915
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: But they had the most world champions. Like you had

916
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: like Tyson train out there, you had a to Rour

917
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: grading train out there. There was a there was a

918
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: trainer there called Hector. He passed away, but that they

919
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: were all there, the big names, all the people. And

920
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: you walk into this gym. You got some big dudes

921
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: in there, and you got all these like tough guys.

922
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: They're like going all the time, spraying like so intimidating,

923
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: so intimidating. So I ended up securing a fight with

924
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 2: the record that I had with secured a fight Wembley,

925
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: and I went into a training camp and I'm in

926
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: this gym.

927
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: It was an eliminador of toph This is the this

928
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: is actually for the world title.

929
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: So Brendan. So I'd already built up my record in Australia.

930
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: I built it up, but I just need to get

931
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: the world tider fight secured. And and Brendan he saw

932
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: that I was hungry. He did it, He got he

933
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 2: got it, you know. He said, look, Michael, he's reading

934
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: up these promoters of Frank Warren in England and Michaels

935
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: already he's gone to the States. He's in the train,

936
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: and look, we're ready to go, you know, you know,

937
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: you know, we want the fight basically, and so he

938
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: we got the fight, and so I did. I put

939
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: myself through it, and I knew if I was going

940
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: to beat this guy, I had to be fighting and

941
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 2: training makest the best. It was hard. It was hard.

942
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: It was real hard, like I was training in minor

943
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: six degrees. I was walking on all these long stairs,

944
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: all these these subways. You know, have you been in Brooklyn?

945
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

946
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jewish community.

947
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: It's Maad is it?

948
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? What was his name? Mike? Mike was the

949
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 2: owner of the but and so. And you're walking along

950
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: there and and you walk in there and all this

951
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: was going on and the movies. Yeah yeah, there's just

952
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: one Polish guy in there. And he was like pretty

953
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: much mirror. This is like everything's meant to happen, you know,

954
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: how many things just a line, it's just aligned. I

955
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 2: saw this guy and he was just like a bigger

956
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: image of the exactly like the guy that was going

957
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: to be fighting. And I knew if I spa this

958
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: guy and I can get over this guy, that's what

959
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: I need to that's my key, that's what that's what

960
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 2: I need to do. Anyway, he was just beating everyone

961
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: up all the time. It's like a ci as I'm

962
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: going along, I'm building up confidence. And Brendan goes up

963
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: to his trainer and says, hey, mate, how you going.

964
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: You know I was the accent, because we want to

965
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: see if we can get you some rounds in with

966
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: your Polish. Boy goes, hmm, you want to spy my boy?

967
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: He goes.

968
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: He goes, We'll see how you and then brend says

969
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: he has how many runs? And he says, Brandon said,

970
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: I was six eight rounds. Okay, we'll see how you

971
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: go after two like this. So so we got in

972
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: there and I just walloped this guy. I walloped in

973
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: first round. The guy couldn't even continue. I had the

974
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: confidence through the roof, and I knew that I'd done

975
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: it because I'd done every day I would walk to

976
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: get there. I done on my training. I sacrificed everything

977
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: to show I knew how hungry I was. I was prepared.

978
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 2: I was ready. So when we locked in the fight,

979
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: signed the contract, flew over to the Wembley. Wembley and

980
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: I was fighting against graham ll. I wanted it so badly,

981
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: and I remember like it was like, this is the

982
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: Knights leading up to the fight, and you got all

983
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: these media, all these commotion going over. There was a

984
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: really big thing. You had Amy a Kart fighting on

985
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 2: the same card. You had Michael Spot fighting Ordley Harrison

986
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: back then, big name. It was a big show. I

987
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: think it was a would have been fifteen thousand people

988
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: back then. That's a decent. But yeah, ITV was a

989
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: TV company, and and you know, you have to get

990
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: your sleep. You're still getting over a bit of jet

991
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: lag whatever, and the fire alarms are going off the hotel. Yeah,

992
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: fire alarms are going off. And you know the nights

993
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: before that, you got your hookers knocking on the door.

994
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: So I was just them, was like, what what's your chances?

995
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: You know, like nights in the ray, the same thing happening,

996
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: and all these noises and things, and it's the night

997
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: before the world title fight, and these fire alarms just

998
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 2: kept going and going going. I remember saying to myself,

999
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: I'd rather die in my sleep than knock at a

1000
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: good sleep and lose this fight. That's that was my mentality.

1001
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: I didn't care. I went back to sleep. I remember

1002
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: it so clearly. But you know, in the back of

1003
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: my mind, I thought I might would have got a

1004
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: curtain and probably slide down the side of the building.

1005
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: I was like if I started smelling smoke or something.

1006
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: But like, I just went to sleep. I just went

1007
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: to sleep, and I had an air of confidence. And

1008
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: you know when it come out to have that fight, Well,

1009
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: you had a fight, so to speak. Having yeah, yeah,

1010
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: and the nerves that you feel. Yeah, imagine if you

1011
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: didn't train, probably imagine if you cut corners.

1012
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: Sleep probably sleep. Probably you didn't know if I didn't sleep, imagine, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1013
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: because confidence, that just takes that much.

1014
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: That's that's right, That's what. And that's a mental thing too. Yeah,

1015
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: and and just and it was a bigger event when

1016
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: you got you know, you know, tens of thousands in

1017
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: attendance and millions of views all over the world, and

1018
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: everything you ever dreamed of was just sitting there right there.

1019
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: About that happen on the line.

1020
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the how the feeling, the hollow feeling inside when

1021
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: you knew you weren't doing something right but I did it.

1022
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: Or especially for a perfectionist that yeah, if you're a perfectionist. Yeah,

1023
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: that can fuck you up. Yeah, that thought process. Yeah,

1024
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: and you've got to it's a bit like not an

1025
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: out of go See how did you control yourself then?

1026
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: So so like let's let's in the room. That's okay,

1027
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: that's not too bad. Do you walk out, get up?

1028
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: But during the corner, now you're on your own. Now

1029
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: no one's rabbing your hands. You were standing there ready

1030
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: for the reft.

1031
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: Call you in.

1032
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: So how do you control your his energy or that?

1033
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't just happen on a spot. It just took

1034
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: time I practice, and so like i'd have ment what

1035
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: do you do the mental preparation, meditation, talking, self talk,

1036
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: and I was doing a lot of visualization, visualizing, like

1037
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: the same thing I learned that the US Olympic Training Center,

1038
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: all my lessons along the road, the sparring that I did.

1039
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: I can't remember the spar that I did with the

1040
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: Polish guy at the Gleason's gym. I had that. I

1041
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: had it all in check and I already knew it.

1042
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: And if he does this, this happens. You know, boxing

1043
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: can be somenpredictable. You can't ever say, if he does this,

1044
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to do exactly that it's just a numbers game.

1045
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: It's like business also, like it's a bit of a

1046
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: numbers game. Youre, ok, Okay, this didn't work so many times.

1047
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: This is going to be a far better result if

1048
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: I go this way instead of doing this and have

1049
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: to eliminate this and then get the answer this quickly.

1050
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: But it's already calculated. You already got it in your

1051
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: mind because you've done it over and over and over

1052
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: and over and over again so many times, and you

1053
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: built it up. You haven't just like wanted is just

1054
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: a want and wish thing. You put the work in

1055
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: and the drive and the dedication.

1056
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, really what you and what you're talking about here,

1057
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: Michae Liz. Preparation, Yes, I mean that's pretty fundamentally yes, yes,

1058
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: like preparation. Yes, it's all those things.

1059
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

1060
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: That's how you control yourself. You don't walk in there

1061
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: not ready to control yourself because you're already in control.

1062
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: You've controlled yourself through your prep because then everything's about preparation, right, ship,

1063
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: what is business or sport?

1064
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: Lit?

1065
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: All business?

1066
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: It is?

1067
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: Your business is boxing, Yes, that's right, you know, like

1068
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: his business is producing a shop. It's about his preparation,

1069
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: Like your preparation, you know how to deal deal with it,

1070
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: and you went on to win that fight. Well I did.

1071
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: But when I've walked out for that fight, that's the

1072
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 2: feeling that I'm getting to is like like, You've got

1073
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: all these people like bo like this because they're all

1074
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: for their guy totally and and you go the crowd

1075
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, but I was like, like, the well this guy,

1076
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: like I was gonna Charlado kets. You know, it's just

1077
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: common says I'm going to be fighting that only one

1078
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: guy doesn't bother me. It's all just so it's just

1079
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 2: who cares noise. I'm used to all that. So I've

1080
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: got my helmet on, my Greek helmet, my worry helmet,

1081
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: and I'm and I'm walking out really really slowly, really confident,

1082
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: stopped for a bit, and I stare at them all

1083
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: a bit, and I walk a little bit more, three

1084
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: or four more steps, and I stare them at all

1085
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: again a bit more. So I knew I had this

1086
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: and I just couldn't wait. I couldn't wait. You know,

1087
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 2: I've got in there and it's got the fight of

1088
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: the year, he got the round of the decade. It's

1089
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: the fourth round. I've dropped the guy twice. I even

1090
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: put a cheeky five ground on myself to knock him

1091
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: out in the first round at forty two to one.

1092
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: I didn't get up, but anyway, you know, it was

1093
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: one of them fights, and you know, and then it

1094
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: got to the third round of the fight and I've

1095
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: dropped him once and I've gone in to finish the guy,

1096
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: and you know what it is like with boxing, if

1097
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: you one little mistake, you go through your right hand

1098
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: and your left hand sitting down too low. Bang, I

1099
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: copped it and the guys dropped me right. So it's

1100
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: just turned the whole crowd. It was so frantic. There's

1101
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: no standing eight counts with the WBO commission, and the

1102
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: referee applied to standing. Let's just give you an idea

1103
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: of the referee, Mickey Ward. He was Mick Mickey Van.

1104
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1105
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: Mickey Van was the referee. Yeah, but he was so

1106
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: he was like a very veteran referee, you know, he

1107
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: was just that frantic that he applied to stay in

1108
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: a cant you don't do that. But anyway, still the

1109
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: guy a bit more time to recover. Long end of

1110
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: the short I've recovered and and you know, through the

1111
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: most amount of punches training in the round that round

1112
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 2: four of that fight, and it was just like an

1113
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: all out bloody war. And I won the world title.

1114
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: You know, the titles went through the roof. It was

1115
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: the happiest day of my life. It's just yeah, it

1116
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: was second to none.

1117
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: We won't have time to talk about all your defenses

1118
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: and because you have stack of fights, but there was

1119
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: one thing I do want to talk about, and so

1120
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: I think it's important to me. He established right the

1121
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: very beginning the close bond between you and your mum

1122
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 1: and your dad yep, but also your brother Staffy yep.

1123
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: And unfortunately before one of your bigger fights, you your brother.

1124
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: You lost your brother. Can you tell me through that?

1125
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I I built my record up. I've got

1126
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: these big fights. So then I've I've gone from this

1127
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: kid intomba, too scared to even throw a punch, to fighting.

1128
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: It's the pound for pound best fighter in the world.

1129
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: One man your Markers he knocked out MANI pack like

1130
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 2: those are no box will know who One man your

1131
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: Markets was one of the pound for pound best fighters

1132
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: in the world. Like he fought Maywether. He's everything for everyone.

1133
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: And you know, it was such a big fight. It

1134
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: was a megastar fight, and I was preparing for the fight,

1135
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: so I I used to going to twelve week or

1136
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 2: eight week training camps in Thailand. My name was so

1137
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: big in the States that I could I couldn't go

1138
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: anywhere on me anywhere, so big that the paparazzi and

1139
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: like people were infiltrating now training and trying to get

1140
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: Brendan's here all the time. He joined me all the way.

1141
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: And I was in camping Thailand, and I've I've got

1142
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: a phone call, you know it. It was Brandon and

1143
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: he said, Mick, get on your motorbike, meet me at

1144
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: the gym. This is three weeks out. So I'm fighting

1145
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 2: the pound pound champion of the world in three weeks time.

1146
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: In training camping Thailand. I'm fighting him in the bright

1147
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: lights at the MGM Graham Las Vegas. And I thought, okay,

1148
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: and I turned my phone off. I looked at my

1149
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: phone was going off. It had like hundreds of messages

1150
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: and miss calls and and whatever. And I've got in

1151
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 2: there and I saw Brandan, and as soon as I

1152
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: saw his face, I said something's happened, hasn't And he said, yeah,

1153
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: it's your brother. He's gone. He died then, you know,

1154
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: to have that happen. I just spoke to my brother

1155
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: the night before for like an hour and a half.

1156
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: Was probably one of the best conversations we had in

1157
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: our entire life. Speaking after this fight, We're going to

1158
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: get our kids, we're going to meet together, we're going

1159
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: to go on holidays. And you know, he died from

1160
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 2: a drug overdose and accidental. Yeah, it was an accident.

1161
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: How it happened. You know, there's a bit of negligence

1162
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: involved in things like that. But I decided not to

1163
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: focus on that, decided to move forward in my life.

1164
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: And we had had a decision then to tie the fight,

1165
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: take the fight, and go ahead and fight oneman, your

1166
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: markets all recover and for me, you know, in my head,

1167
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: I did what I thought my brother would have wanted.

1168
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: In hindsight, he's not with us now. He wasn't with

1169
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: me then.

1170
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: You know.

1171
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 2: But I was a disillusion that he was right on

1172
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: my shoulder telling me to go ahead and have the

1173
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: fight and missed my That was very mental, strong, personal

1174
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: emotional thing.

1175
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is the wrong reason.

1176
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: To fight emotional, he's giving and giving energy. It took

1177
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: a lot out of me. And the key thing with

1178
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: that fight, like the media. I couldn't talk to the media,

1179
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: so they'd always mentioned my brother's name, so they put

1180
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: a media band mentioned in my brother's name. Because I

1181
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: just couldn't stop crying. I didn't have anything the masket.

1182
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: I had a drug test. I had a you couldn't

1183
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: can't drink alcohol, Like that's what people do. They drink alcohol,

1184
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 2: They take drugs when they want to master the paint.

1185
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: And I couldn't stop it. I couldn't stop the crying,

1186
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: you know, and then then then you know, hindsight, it's

1187
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: a wonderful thing. But I've dropped Marquez. I dropped him.

1188
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: He was down, he was gone, and all I had

1189
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 2: to do was jumping and do what I did with

1190
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: every other fight and finish the guy. I didn't do that.

1191
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: I was listening to the noise and I could hear

1192
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: the commentator saying, and he's thinking of his brother. And

1193
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: for the first time in my life, I've hesitated when

1194
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: going to finish an opponent. That two or three seconds

1195
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: would have given him time for him the balance his

1196
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: equivalent equivalent it would equally thinking and I just and

1197
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: I didn't do it. And then next you know, he's

1198
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: come back and he stopped me around nine. I got

1199
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: a throat punching round nine and just my legs weren't

1200
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: there like they should have been. I wasn't sleeping in

1201
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: the preparation, as we know, sleep so so so important.

1202
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: I because I was trying to go over how he

1203
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 2: died every night in my head and just thinking about

1204
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: all the things growing up, brighting these brumberies and through

1205
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: the graveyard, and you know how he you know, he

1206
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: was riding in the favorite in a week's time. He's

1207
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: riding the favorite in the Melbourne Cup. He was on

1208
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: shootout in a week after he died. He was he

1209
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: was to be riding shootout in the Melbourne Cup. Who

1210
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: was the favorite? Who would have won? His time road

1211
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 2: for Alesca staff. He wasn't on. His connection with every

1212
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: horse was it was something else. He's like the horse whisper.

1213
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: And you know in hindsight that Michael, if you if

1214
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: you look back on it, and you know, because we

1215
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: talked about preparations, the preparation of the week leading up

1216
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: to the big event. In hindsight, if you were talking

1217
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: to another fighter, or just a business person bad to

1218
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: do a big meeting, or a swimmer, what would your advice.

1219
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 3: Be, don't do it, don't do it, don't go ahead,

1220
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: because yeah, you don't, because if you can't put your

1221
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: best foot forward, don't put any foot forward, or you

1222
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: need to come up with a strategy like something that

1223
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: you can say, or you can just be honest.

1224
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: In my case is being honest. Would have been the

1225
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: best dancer. Your brother just died, your only brother just died.

1226
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that fighting, that's right.

1227
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: And.

1228
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: You know, but what is it with fighters? I make

1229
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: just yeah, we got that, well, we've got that determination,

1230
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: We've got it.

1231
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: I'll be right. Yeah, yeah I'm ready. Yeah, but really,

1232
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like a proper judicious thought process about what

1233
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: it takes to be ready rarely gets done until you

1234
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: mature and become a lot older and you've experienced a

1235
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: loss like that.

1236
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And and then the things that I

1237
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 2: needed to maintain being that fighter stopped. Like I wasn't

1238
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: sleeping properly for that fight. I was, and I was

1239
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: listening to what the commentators saying as opposed to doing

1240
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: what I had to do. Then that went on. Excuse me,

1241
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't apply any of the mental stuff.

1242
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: You can just imagine my life was a mess. I didn't

1243
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: apply any of the principles that I had. I didn't

1244
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: have that that bulletproof mindset. I didn't. I wasn't using

1245
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: that andre and I just my style of all out attack.

1246
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: That's all I had. You know, when when you're in business, mark,

1247
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, you guys have a whole team of executives

1248
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: working out a strategy. Correct. Yeah, I was on my own,

1249
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: but they're all out attack. And then that was only

1250
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: going to last for so long. It's all out of

1251
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: tax style. I didn't. I didn't step back and have someone, hey, look,

1252
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: you need to start doing this doing this. You know,

1253
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: I went my own way. I went went wild. I'd

1254
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: go to do investing in something else, and I'd buy

1255
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: this house and that property, and I'd do this, and

1256
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: I changed my mind a thousand times. And you know,

1257
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: I got on a plane to get to England to

1258
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: fight against Ricky Burns, and I was too drunk to

1259
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: even get on the plane. You know, I couldn't go daid. Yeah,

1260
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't go day without drinking or taking drugs. It's

1261
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: just it's become my spiral, and bye bye. By taking

1262
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: that fight, I procrastinated and prolonged the pain of losing

1263
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: my brother, and then this this addiction and this mental

1264
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: you know, this drinking would go on for someone so

1265
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 2: many years, and then eventually, you know, I'd go into recovery,

1266
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: and then I'd come out of recovery and I'd have

1267
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: all these great ideas, have great connections, great people.

1268
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1269
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: I don't know why I haven't been talking to you sooner,

1270
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: but i'd tell you why. It's because my head was

1271
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: in a cloud of fog. I didn't even know. I

1272
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: didn't know what Arthur from Martha. I couldn't have told

1273
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: you what day it was, you know. And here I

1274
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 2: sit and funnier today, thankful because I got locked up

1275
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: for two years. I got out seven months ago. And

1276
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: when I was the first day sitting in there, unlike

1277
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 2: the first time I went to jail, I said to myself,

1278
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: how fucking great is this? You know? For me? I

1279
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: had gratitude because I knew that this is it for me.

1280
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: I knew that I had to come out the other end.

1281
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: I was in there, I saw a lot of things relating.

1282
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: I related to a lot of the other prisoners that

1283
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: were in jail. They suffered sexual abuse, they suffered from addiction,

1284
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: and stuffered from all sorts of trauma, domestic violence, poverty.

1285
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: I could relate to a lot of these things that

1286
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: these guys were suffering from. You. I had my own

1287
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: little narcotics anonymous group in there, and you've got like

1288
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: twenty prisons sitting at a table. The prison wardens would

1289
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: come home and go, what's going on here? Like groups

1290
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: of prisons sitting together at one time. Oh, so we're

1291
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: just talking about our feelings, you know, and we'd all

1292
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: be sitting there, we'd be having our morning share about

1293
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: you know, we know, our daily inventory about how we're feeling,

1294
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: what's going on inside the head and dealing with the

1295
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: emotions and dealing with what was going on, and you know,

1296
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: men becoming vulnerable and talking about things. So it started,

1297
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: you know, you know that that was my plan, like

1298
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: just start starting from there and helping these guys. And

1299
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: that helped me by helping others. And the best way

1300
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: to keep something was by giving it away as what

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01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: I learned, and it just went on being generous.

1302
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now where are you at with it all.

1303
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: So moving forward, moving forward, so you know, because like

1304
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, I've had two years and eight months. You know,

1305
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: I haven't touched a drink, haven't touched a drug.

1306
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: I have, yeah, but do you feel as though you

1307
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: want it? Or you're not even interested?

1308
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: Not even interested? And because I have this will to succeed,

1309
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: all I've got to do is apply the same principles

1310
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: that I did with my boxing and when I when

1311
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: I first went to the States, and when you want

1312
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 2: something more than you want to breathe like I am now,

1313
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't even become an option. Why would you? Why

1314
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: would you? I've just been there, I've been in jail

1315
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: for two years. It's it's it's it's a no brainer

1316
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 1: And Joe was probably easy. I don't know it need

1318
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: to be easy relative to the ship life you were

1319
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: leading prior to that, the drinks, the drugs, you know,

1320
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: like bouncing and out of joints, not really fighting properly.

1321
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: You'd never been properly prepared, never being happy with yourself.

1322
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: Maybe Joe gave you an opportunity to deal with all

1323
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: this stuff.

1324
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 2: And it's it's really really sad, but unfortunately that I

1325
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: needed it because I was. I was, I was, you know,

1326
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: with the law, you know, like I would go into

1327
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: recovery for just long enough. I was doing all the programs.

1328
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: I hadn't dealt with my trauma. And you have to.

1329
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: You have to. You can't be drunk and dealing with

1330
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: your trauma. You can't be high and dealing with your trauma.

1331
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: And I don't care who these like, who you are.

1332
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 2: And some people are business people. They think they can

1333
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: get away with having a line and co cod things

1334
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: and think I'm going to be better today. It's not.

1335
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 2: It's not. You know, there's different ways of dealing with things,

1336
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: and that they can be a far better self without

1337
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: doing doing that need these other habits and vices and things,

1338
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: and these are the same principles. And I know this

1339
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 2: because I've been there and I've done it, and I've

1340
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: been able to say I've won the world title. I've

1341
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: been in jail. And it's a simple choice.

1342
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: So the world title that you're winning, your going now

1343
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: is against yourself. I want to be the world I

1344
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: want to be Michael, Yeah, world title against the guy

1345
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: is not going to get the world title? Yeah yeah?

1346
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: And so what to where to from here? Mate, what's

1347
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: going to happen?

1348
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 2: So what do you see?

1349
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: Your your what is what's your calling? What's the universe

1350
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: telling you?

1351
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: So I'm developing a program called the Bulletproof Mindset and

1352
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: so based these people can have the best version of themselves.

1353
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 2: So I've got my Instagram page and what is Michael

1354
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: Underscore cat Theaters And there's all the information on the

1355
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: Bulletproof Mindset. So you know, for example, like you could

1356
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: spend hours talking to I'm really excited about this because

1357
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: we've got as part of our team, were having an

1358
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: industrial psychologist Samantha Vox and uh and we have a

1359
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 2: whole team of people. But we're developing this. So it's

1360
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: like they could talk to you, you know, for hours

1361
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: and hours. You can speak a psychologist for ours and

1362
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: psychologists for hours and learn about learn about you know,

1363
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 2: your your life and where it's taken you and how

1364
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: it's gone away that's going They could say, look, Mark,

1365
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: if you keep doing this, you keep being like this

1366
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: is steeple like this, your life is going to be

1367
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: like this is going to be like that, right. But

1368
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: they have this scan that they do with doctor Daniels

1369
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: is part of the team, and the scan on your brain.

1370
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: They can say this is without even talking to you,

1371
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 2: this is where your life's scoring. This is what you've

1372
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: done basically rundown and if you can't continuing like this

1373
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: is what's going to happened with your life. So this

1374
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: is one of the part of the things that we're

1375
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: developed with a bulletproof mindset, getting this scan done on

1376
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: you on your on the starting point as a starting point.

1377
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: And then we've got a team of coaches that were

1378
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: develop and help help people decipher it and give them

1379
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: the best road for them to take and in the future.

1380
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: So that's that's that's still developing at the moment, and

1381
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: all the information is available on my Instagram. But the

1382
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: World Championship Maintenance Program the same stuff that I did

1383
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: and maintain doing when I was in the States and

1384
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 2: throughout my career when I helped me reach my peak

1385
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 2: and the maximum results. So I got I formed this program.

1386
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: This is training alongside many pakyo and and all the

1387
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 2: big things like I learned, I watched, I observed, and

1388
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: everything that I did over the years, I picked up

1389
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: this set secrets of moves that I do and I've

1390
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 2: got them more for free that I give them the

1391
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: people so they can get maximums. I caught the World

1392
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: Championship program and yeah, people question.

1393
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that because your ability to reinvent yourself. But then,

1394
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: but you're reinventing yourself, but you're also pulling on those

1395
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: things that have always worked for you in terms of

1396
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: a mindset, your mindset and structure, discipline and rules, things

1397
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: that work. Okay, that's brilliant. Do you think if you

1398
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: had a you know, if you took yourself out of

1399
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: the nineties and two thousand, two thousands and put yourself

1400
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: into today, would you have ever been a UFC guy?

1401
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: Would you? Oh, do you think you would have ever

1402
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: afought in the UFC? You know, would you?

1403
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: Would you hear me? Yeah? Definitely, definitely.

1404
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you watch UFC?

1405
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind it. I don't I can't remember

1406
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 2: the names of the of the like the big ones

1407
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 2: I'll see and like just the thing that I've always seen,

1408
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: like with the kicking sports and grappling and all that

1409
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. There's so many different elements in these sports,

1410
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 2: so many different elements, and it can be much like

1411
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: a street fight. But once you get to know the

1412
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: sport a bit more, there is a science to it. Yeah,

1413
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 2: like and you can appreciate that now. So that's why

1414
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 2: I've always like boxing. It's like mano or mano, man

1415
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: against man and there's a science to it and you

1416
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: can work out and it's a real it's a real strategy.

1417
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: So that's also now been worked into the UFC and

1418
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: it's exciting. Right. Do you do boxing on us more.

1419
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: In terms of practice or watching? I practice. I don't

1420
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: box anymore because I'm too old to get it in there,

1421
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 1: but I do jiu jitsu.

1422
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, cool.

1423
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed that Larry Pops up here up here in

1424
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: the cross. But I love watching Volkan Volkovsky for example. Yeah,

1425
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: I love watching volk you know. And they're decent boxes,

1426
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: decent wrestlers, are decent everything. I mean, they're tough bastards.

1427
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's there's no referee is not

1428
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: pulling anyone off. I'm going to tell you're dead and

1429
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: tell you tapping out here, you're done. It's sort of

1430
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: it's there's it's a little bit more brutal than boxing, boxing,

1431
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: more art, a lot more art involved. Um, unless you

1432
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: were you just going into just questioning no matter what. Yeah,

1433
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: and Jeff was like that. Jeff was always in your face. Yeah, never, never, never, never,

1434
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: it was back that's right. Yeah, that's about fitness.

1435
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a lot of it's about fitness, and

1436
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: you know that's a prerequisite though then you would have

1437
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: the hunger. Then when you want something so much, then

1438
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 2: you know you can force your will upon your opponent

1439
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: and you can beat them that way, and you can't

1440
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: actually put the fear of life into them and do

1441
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: it that way. You know, but the all out attack

1442
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 2: will only last for so long. You know that comes

1443
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 2: to a point in your life as you get older,

1444
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 2: you need to come up with another strategy. If you're

1445
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 2: dealing with so many other back noise and other things

1446
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 2: going on in your life, whether business or boxing or fighting,

1447
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 2: and you'll see like you're not going to be able

1448
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 2: to come up with a strategy if you can't step

1449
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: back and breathe and have a look at what's going on.

1450
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 2: You need to be able to assess and you need

1451
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 2: to listen to your team. You got, you can reach

1452
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: out to the support. You know you can do those

1453
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: things if.

1454
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 1: Someone like you, you know you've made if you and

1455
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: if you and I sat down worked out how many

1456
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: years you fought, not just in the ring, I mean

1457
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: like sparred. How many sparks as she did? How many

1458
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: times you got hit in the head. You're pretty good,

1459
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 1: You're okay, you're not affected.

1460
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, your memory is really good.

1461
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: You're remembering things that happened eleven Yeah, yeah, thanks, remember

1462
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: names of people.

1463
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 2: Thanks.

1464
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: So you've you've hung in there pretty well. And there's

1465
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: a lot of talk around these days about context boards.

1466
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:07,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, about specially cat.

1467
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: Boxing and how it affects people, you know, dementia, blah

1468
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: blah blah. You're in pretty good shape.

1469
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thanks think about that.

1470
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1471
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course I've had a scare before, so.

1472
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: I had I soon record. You had a bit discovering,

1473
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: that's right.

1474
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: No, but I had a broken eye socket in two

1475
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, which I forgot to tell. But I'm forgetful.

1476
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: My dad's forgetful when he was in a boxer. So,

1477
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: but I had a brain scan two thousand and nine

1478
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 2: after I got a broken eye socket against Inside's cabido

1479
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: August seventeen, two thousand and nine, and that that that

1480
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 2: brain scan, the broken eye socket distorted the anatomy of

1481
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: the scan. So so then when I actually had the

1482
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: scan but forgot that and showed it to the doctor

1483
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 2: Johnny Lewis's doctor who was training me here in Sydney.

1484
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: And the doctor, the doctor John I think his name was,

1485
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 2: I forgot the was no Johnny Lewis was it was no, No,

1486
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 2: not that, not that John No doctor, No, it wasn't

1487
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 2: that Johnny. I love him. Yeah yeah, but so yeah, yeah, yeah,

1488
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 2: he didn't see that. So but from what he could

1489
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: see it was there was no go sign, you know,

1490
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 2: because the scarring stored the anatomy. So then I went

1491
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 2: on to get another scan which which went further into

1492
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 2: to my brain to see and it was just the

1493
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: scarring from the eye socket the broken which disored it.

1494
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 2: So so I'm in the clear, you know. In the

1495
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: lead up to my court things going on. When when

1496
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 2: I had the problems, the judge said I have three

1497
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 2: months to sort treatment for my addiction to drugs and

1498
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 2: alcohol and then three months to get a brain scan done.

1499
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 2: So when I got the brain scan done, I found

1500
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 2: out that my brain was healthy as if not healthier

1501
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 2: than the average man my age. So then my my

1502
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 2: reservation is about about actually metally abolished. Then I just

1503
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 2: I just knew that all you've got to do is

1504
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: stay healthy. Do is look after yourself. Well, you know,

1505
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,480
Speaker 2: give yourself the time of day, eat right, sleep, exercise.

1506
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: You have problems percific please see a doctor is yeah.

1507
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: And also it also don't have a company locate your

1508
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: life with stupid stuff.

1509
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: Keep a simple stupid Yeah, just keep us.

1510
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: It's back and simple. And again because often we complicated

1511
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: ouralyves with things where we compromise ourselves, compromise our values,

1512
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: and that can fuck you. Yeah, because you get guilty,

1513
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, sleep properly, yeah, sort of, you know, you

1514
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: feel bad about the ship you're doing, and it's just

1515
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, like there's enough things in our lives to

1516
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: give us stress as it is. You don't need any

1517
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: more stress run around your system, you know. And I

1518
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: think what you're doing, Michaels is inspirational to other not

1519
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: just fighters, sports people, but inspirational to people who I

1520
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: think they've they've got a tough gig. Yeah.

1521
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and really it's.

1522
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: Not that tough at the end of the day, and

1523
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: we have responsibility.

1524
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 2: Well I want to that's what I want, Thank you,

1525
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: because I want to empower other people. That's like part

1526
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 2: of my mission. Now I want to look at what

1527
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: I did. Like you know what when you started boxing

1528
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: and like and the more you got better at it,

1529
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 2: you realize it's not rocket science. It's just you know,

1530
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: why didn't I think of that. It's like it becomes

1531
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 2: like a real challenge to here and then you start

1532
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: mastering the art of it and that and that's the

1533
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 2: same principles on pass on. You know, I want my

1534
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: boxing course, my my my can see this blueprint boxing system.

1535
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 2: I want that to be the best fundamental boxing program

1536
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: in the world so people can learn and they can

1537
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: know so basic and the things you know, because when

1538
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 2: you're talking about looking after your mind, and you know

1539
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: that bit of training, that boxing training you do is

1540
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 2: looking after yourself. I think that. I think that just

1541
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 2: taking that time out for yourself and just focusing on

1542
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: on throwing the punch correctly and then exerting it. So

1543
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 2: is a form of meditation. So to speak to you

1544
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 2: because you're not thinking about what's happening on down the

1545
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 2: road or there's other stuff that you.

1546
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: Can't Yeah, you can't, or you're going to copy it right, Yeah,

1547
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 1: And how much of And to find a question though, Michael,

1548
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: how much of it is is your cat see this

1549
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: program your blueprint about not getting hit. It's as opposed

1550
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: to just run. Yeah you used to yeh, you were

1551
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: always be to cop it, right, Yeah, how much is

1552
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: it about?

1553
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 2: It's the number one that it's my number one thing,

1554
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 2: the key thing always so so when you punch, When

1555
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: you throw a punch, the fastest point from A to

1556
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 2: B is from A to B.

1557
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: Sure is distance, yeah yeah, but so.

1558
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 2: Many times people go all right, I'm going to punch,

1559
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 2: now here is a B, C, D E not a B,

1560
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 2: you know? Or they go to this one, this one,

1561
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hit you with this. No one's going to

1562
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 2: keep the head still to cop the punch. So emphasize

1563
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: on just basic fundamentals and things so so people get

1564
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 2: it so they can get it. Doesn't matter who you

1565
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: are all over the world. You can get it, and

1566
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: you can do it, and you can see it work,

1567
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 2: and then you know straight away if it's not working.

1568
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 2: I get them to center video of themselves back so

1569
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 2: they can get many young kids.

1570
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: Many young kids are still in the fight game, Like

1571
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm still a patron here, Willow. Yeah, but we don't

1572
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: get many kids in there anymore. Boxing get a few girls.

1573
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: We get a few girls, and that day is pretty

1574
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 1: good if we get a lot of kids down there.

1575
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: But like generally speaking, not not like it used to be.

1576
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: Like I think.

1577
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 2: Boxing is great, you know, and you know you're right,

1578
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 2: you know, there's not.

1579
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: A lot getting more girls though.

1580
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Women's sport is picking up, you know,

1581
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 2: like it's and women are naturally more aggressive than guys,

1582
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 2: as you probably know they are. And they're tough too, yeah,

1583
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:58,839
Speaker 2: tough airs.

1584
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty And by the way, I think it's

1585
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: pretty amazing that I got to sit in front of

1586
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: Micout Sieges. Thank you, I really appreciate, mate. And from

1587
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: one boxing fan to another boxing fan now and from

1588
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: one Greek to another Greek, well done.

1589
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: Mate, Thank you mate.

1590
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 1: Good You're welcome.