1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apodje Production. 2 00:00:10,921 --> 00:00:14,041 Speaker 2: Welcome to the She Rises Podcast. I'm Ashy and I'm Tiana. 3 00:00:14,361 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 3: This podcast is about female empowerment and encouraging you to 4 00:00:17,361 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 3: be your biggest, boldest, and most authentic version of yourself. 5 00:00:20,961 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: We help you shed the shame, grow to a new level. 6 00:00:23,321 --> 00:00:26,241 Speaker 2: We're gonna laugh, cry, and talk about the topics everyone 7 00:00:26,281 --> 00:00:27,801 Speaker 2: else is too afraid to talk about. 8 00:00:28,401 --> 00:00:31,681 Speaker 3: Get ready for your next level of self. Welcome back 9 00:00:31,681 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: to another episode of She Rises. We've got Ashley, Tiana, 10 00:00:34,801 --> 00:00:37,761 Speaker 3: and a very special guest. Today, we have Margot joining 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,881 Speaker 3: us from the US. Hi, thank you so much for 12 00:00:40,961 --> 00:00:43,561 Speaker 3: joining us today. We have a lot to talk about today. 13 00:00:43,881 --> 00:00:45,801 Speaker 3: I personally have been following your content for a little 14 00:00:45,801 --> 00:00:48,001 Speaker 3: while and I get stuck in doom scrolls of your 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,001 Speaker 3: content all of the time I'm sending it to Ash. 16 00:00:51,161 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: I'm like, you've got to hear what this woman has 17 00:00:52,641 --> 00:00:55,241 Speaker 3: got to say, because she has a lot to say. 18 00:00:55,281 --> 00:00:55,481 Speaker 1: Now. 19 00:00:55,721 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: I know personally been through a lot of things in 20 00:00:58,281 --> 00:01:02,121 Speaker 3: your live things like public humiliation. You've also spent ten 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,721 Speaker 3: years in and out of hospital. You've also been drugged 22 00:01:04,681 --> 00:01:07,081 Speaker 3: with went against it will. We have so so much 23 00:01:07,121 --> 00:01:09,321 Speaker 3: to talk about, so we would love for you to 24 00:01:09,401 --> 00:01:11,401 Speaker 3: just share a little bit about yourself and like tell 25 00:01:11,481 --> 00:01:13,961 Speaker 3: us about you, tell us about little Muger and where 26 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: your story began. 27 00:01:15,521 --> 00:01:17,521 Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, so excited to be here. 28 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,241 Speaker 4: So I always joke that I started off on like 29 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 4: a weird note coming into planet Earth. I was born 30 00:01:24,681 --> 00:01:26,521 Speaker 4: with a birthmark on the left side my face, which 31 00:01:26,521 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 4: if I take off my makeup you can. 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,561 Speaker 1: Still see it. 33 00:01:29,121 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 4: And like, nowadays it's super cool, everyone's like going viral 34 00:01:32,801 --> 00:01:35,481 Speaker 4: for their birthmarks. But like where I grew up, they 35 00:01:35,521 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: basically treated me like I was deformed, like there was 36 00:01:39,081 --> 00:01:40,161 Speaker 4: something really wrong with me. 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: So I was actually one of the first kids to 38 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: undergo all these like major procedures. I was on the news. 39 00:01:44,681 --> 00:01:48,561 Speaker 4: We had to take my entire auditorium together and like 40 00:01:48,681 --> 00:01:51,001 Speaker 4: show my class like this is what a birthmark is. 41 00:01:51,041 --> 00:01:53,721 Speaker 4: Like I had never even seen another person with one 42 00:01:53,801 --> 00:01:55,001 Speaker 4: until I was like an adult. 43 00:01:55,561 --> 00:01:59,121 Speaker 1: So I was like Jesus, like why was there something 44 00:01:59,161 --> 00:02:02,001 Speaker 1: wrong with me? Like why do I have this thing? Why? 45 00:02:02,041 --> 00:02:04,401 Speaker 4: And like my parents, bless them, they were like trying 46 00:02:04,441 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 4: to like help me, you fit in, so they started 47 00:02:06,401 --> 00:02:09,601 Speaker 4: hiding it. So I was either like getting surgeries or 48 00:02:09,641 --> 00:02:11,921 Speaker 4: I was having makeup put on my face to try 49 00:02:11,961 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 4: to like not get picked on. And then I went 50 00:02:14,001 --> 00:02:16,081 Speaker 4: to a Catholic school where you're not allowed to wear makeup. 51 00:02:16,321 --> 00:02:19,601 Speaker 1: It's just stressful beginning, yeah, to her life. 52 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 4: So that's kind of how I came in feeling very different. 53 00:02:23,001 --> 00:02:25,241 Speaker 4: I also couldn't read or write, like I have every 54 00:02:25,361 --> 00:02:27,201 Speaker 4: learning disability known to mankind. 55 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,321 Speaker 1: I joke that I'm like still slightly illiterate. 56 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,161 Speaker 4: I would just make up words when teachers like called 57 00:02:32,201 --> 00:02:35,321 Speaker 4: on me, and then I was like called basically deformed, 58 00:02:35,401 --> 00:02:37,441 Speaker 4: and people would always be like, what's wrong with your face? 59 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,361 Speaker 4: So I just came in feeling like, wow, this is 60 00:02:40,401 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 4: a little rougher than I had hoped. 61 00:02:42,201 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 62 00:02:42,641 --> 00:02:46,001 Speaker 3: Yeah, that judgment as well, and that coming from teachers 63 00:02:46,041 --> 00:02:47,401 Speaker 3: as well is such a hard thing to deal with 64 00:02:47,441 --> 00:02:49,361 Speaker 3: when you're such a young age as well, Like we 65 00:02:49,401 --> 00:02:51,921 Speaker 3: don't know how to deal with that level of pressure 66 00:02:52,041 --> 00:02:54,641 Speaker 3: or like even receiving somebody else's judgment put on us, 67 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,961 Speaker 3: because it becomes like our internal dialogue. 68 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and those first seven years are so important. We're 69 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,401 Speaker 2: absorbing what everyone's thinking and saying about us, So that 70 00:03:02,401 --> 00:03:03,321 Speaker 2: would have been really tough. 71 00:03:04,281 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 4: We also forget with our generation, like we're so used 72 00:03:07,201 --> 00:03:09,601 Speaker 4: to like social media and putting things out there. But 73 00:03:09,721 --> 00:03:11,881 Speaker 4: like when I grew up, like it wasn't normalized to 74 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,841 Speaker 4: like talk about things. 75 00:03:13,641 --> 00:03:16,121 Speaker 1: Ord be like, hey are you feeling today? Do feel 76 00:03:16,161 --> 00:03:17,321 Speaker 1: shame about where you look? 77 00:03:19,481 --> 00:03:22,601 Speaker 4: Have many conversations but I'm being like tortured and. 78 00:03:22,641 --> 00:03:23,881 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, what's going on? 79 00:03:24,041 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 4: So it's like you internalize a lot more when there 80 00:03:27,321 --> 00:03:29,601 Speaker 4: isn't a healthy dialogue around what's happening. 81 00:03:29,761 --> 00:03:31,481 Speaker 2: Very true, how old are you do, mommy? Asking? 82 00:03:32,201 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight, just turned thirty eight. 83 00:03:34,081 --> 00:03:36,241 Speaker 2: Oh I'm thirty seven, so very close in age. Yeah, 84 00:03:36,641 --> 00:03:39,961 Speaker 2: So take us back to your childhood and then moving 85 00:03:39,961 --> 00:03:42,121 Speaker 2: into your teen years and then your early twenties, because 86 00:03:42,121 --> 00:03:44,121 Speaker 2: I know a lot happened in that time, Frank, can 87 00:03:44,161 --> 00:03:46,041 Speaker 2: you kind of walk us through a bit of a process, 88 00:03:46,121 --> 00:03:48,321 Speaker 2: is to the different stages of your life to where 89 00:03:48,321 --> 00:03:48,921 Speaker 2: you are today. 90 00:03:49,801 --> 00:03:50,081 Speaker 1: Yeah. 91 00:03:50,121 --> 00:03:53,641 Speaker 4: So we started off, you know, feeling slightly deformed and illiterate, 92 00:03:54,121 --> 00:03:58,361 Speaker 4: and that obviously created some insecurities growing up. And then 93 00:03:58,641 --> 00:04:01,961 Speaker 4: you know, addiction runs really heavily in my family. So 94 00:04:02,561 --> 00:04:04,401 Speaker 4: my sister and I both ended up in rehab before 95 00:04:04,401 --> 00:04:07,681 Speaker 4: we could legally drink. And so I had a boyfriend 96 00:04:07,681 --> 00:04:12,161 Speaker 4: at the time, and he kind of introduced me to drugs, 97 00:04:12,161 --> 00:04:13,561 Speaker 4: and I never thought I would do them. I was 98 00:04:13,601 --> 00:04:15,521 Speaker 4: like terrified of them. I actually didn't even know what 99 00:04:15,521 --> 00:04:17,841 Speaker 4: I was taking. He'd just be like here, do this, 100 00:04:18,041 --> 00:04:21,241 Speaker 4: do that. He ended up passing away. He had an overdose, 101 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,001 Speaker 4: cracked his head open and died. Yeah, super crazy. He 102 00:04:26,121 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 4: had like such a bright spirit, but just like tortured 103 00:04:28,921 --> 00:04:29,481 Speaker 4: with addiction. 104 00:04:29,841 --> 00:04:31,961 Speaker 2: Is this teenage days around fifteen sixteen? 105 00:04:32,281 --> 00:04:35,481 Speaker 1: Yeah, like nineteen. Actually my first drink when I was thirteen. 106 00:04:35,601 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: I started really young, and I was scared of it, 107 00:04:38,601 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: but I also loved the feeling of like not being 108 00:04:40,801 --> 00:04:43,121 Speaker 4: in my body because I felt so tortured. Like the 109 00:04:43,161 --> 00:04:46,281 Speaker 4: surgeries I had undergone were like incredible weeks at a 110 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: time while I healed. So I was just like, get 111 00:04:48,361 --> 00:04:50,761 Speaker 4: me off this planet. So you bring in, you know, 112 00:04:50,921 --> 00:04:55,121 Speaker 4: alcohol and drugs, and I was like party. I actually 113 00:04:55,201 --> 00:04:57,841 Speaker 4: went to a drinking school and they nicknamed me like 114 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,881 Speaker 4: Hank the Tank, and I would walk into parties and 115 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,401 Speaker 4: people would be like Hank Hank, and like it's crazy 116 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 4: drinking alter ego. So long story short, like Hank Sank. 117 00:05:07,721 --> 00:05:10,041 Speaker 4: And then I was like I don't really have a problem, 118 00:05:10,121 --> 00:05:12,161 Speaker 4: like I don't. I don't really need to be here. 119 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,961 Speaker 4: Like I heard Sober for Life, and I was like, 120 00:05:14,001 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 4: get me the hell out of here. So my ex 121 00:05:16,601 --> 00:05:19,481 Speaker 4: boyfriend's ex girlfriend came into rehab because rehab was like 122 00:05:19,561 --> 00:05:22,121 Speaker 4: kind of trendy where we were, and she was like, 123 00:05:22,121 --> 00:05:23,081 Speaker 4: do you want to run away? 124 00:05:23,121 --> 00:05:25,281 Speaker 1: And I was like duh, get me out of here. 125 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,161 Speaker 4: So we run away, but she's a heroin addict and 126 00:05:29,481 --> 00:05:33,481 Speaker 4: we go into like the ghetto and she's basically like 127 00:05:33,921 --> 00:05:36,281 Speaker 4: getting drugs and I just wanted to like go party. 128 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,201 Speaker 4: I'm like nineteen whatever twenty at the time. I'm like 129 00:05:39,241 --> 00:05:40,681 Speaker 4: I just want to be normal, hang out. 130 00:05:40,521 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: With I want to go back to like partying and drinking. 131 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,281 Speaker 4: And then she was like, well I have to go 132 00:05:45,361 --> 00:05:48,121 Speaker 4: back to rehab otherwise like my family's gonna kick me out. 133 00:05:48,121 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: So we hi get back to rehab after like doing drugs, 134 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,001 Speaker 4: which I didn't do that many. I just like pop 135 00:05:54,081 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 4: some pills and everyone was like shooting up heroin and 136 00:05:56,681 --> 00:06:01,521 Speaker 4: like blood was like gush, yeah. And then she ends 137 00:06:01,601 --> 00:06:04,641 Speaker 4: up literally like where I'm kind of like drugged on 138 00:06:04,761 --> 00:06:07,721 Speaker 4: pill and she's like trying to like shoot me up 139 00:06:07,721 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 4: with heroin, which I've never been shot up with heroin before, 140 00:06:10,041 --> 00:06:11,681 Speaker 4: and it was like a dirty needle. By the way, 141 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,241 Speaker 4: she ends up drugging me against my will. I'm like 142 00:06:14,281 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 4: screaming no, and the next thing I know, I'm like 143 00:06:17,041 --> 00:06:19,721 Speaker 4: shot up with heroin. The rehab obviously sees that were 144 00:06:19,801 --> 00:06:23,361 Speaker 4: drugged during the morning meeting. She gets sent to the 145 00:06:23,401 --> 00:06:25,601 Speaker 4: psych word I get sent off to this detox and 146 00:06:25,641 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 4: I was such a people pleaser at the time that 147 00:06:27,481 --> 00:06:29,041 Speaker 4: I didn't want to like throw her into the bus. 148 00:06:29,081 --> 00:06:31,681 Speaker 4: So I was like, it's my fault, Like, you know, 149 00:06:31,801 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 4: I didn't say, like I never wanted to do drugs. 150 00:06:33,641 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 4: So then they had a family circle come, like my 151 00:06:35,481 --> 00:06:37,321 Speaker 4: parents had to visit and they were like, tell your 152 00:06:37,361 --> 00:06:40,561 Speaker 4: parents what you did. Tell them that you used your money. 153 00:06:40,561 --> 00:06:43,401 Speaker 4: So in front of everyone, I was like, I did drugs. 154 00:06:43,481 --> 00:06:46,041 Speaker 4: I did heroin. Like meanwhile, I just wanted to like drink. 155 00:06:46,161 --> 00:06:49,281 Speaker 4: It was so humiliating. I was like, this isn't who 156 00:06:49,361 --> 00:06:52,201 Speaker 4: I am. I'm just like ending up in these bad situations. Anyways, 157 00:06:52,241 --> 00:06:54,601 Speaker 4: it was so traumatizing that I basically have never had 158 00:06:54,641 --> 00:06:58,561 Speaker 4: a drink since or drug just like traumatized into sobriety. 159 00:06:59,161 --> 00:07:01,601 Speaker 4: And then long story short, like it was not an 160 00:07:01,641 --> 00:07:03,561 Speaker 4: easy road. It wasn't like I got sober and life 161 00:07:03,561 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 4: got better. Life actually got like wait course for a while, 162 00:07:06,481 --> 00:07:09,001 Speaker 4: ended up getting a neurological condition. Was better ridden for 163 00:07:09,081 --> 00:07:13,241 Speaker 4: ten years? Wow, And so yeah, just a wild ride. 164 00:07:13,281 --> 00:07:14,601 Speaker 1: So I kind of haven't had much of. 165 00:07:14,561 --> 00:07:16,961 Speaker 4: A normal life up until maybe the last year and 166 00:07:17,001 --> 00:07:18,641 Speaker 4: a half when I kind of came out of bed 167 00:07:18,681 --> 00:07:19,881 Speaker 4: and blew up this brand. 168 00:07:20,241 --> 00:07:22,961 Speaker 2: So can you tell us about this neurological Is it 169 00:07:23,201 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: a disease or something that was brought on from drugs 170 00:07:25,281 --> 00:07:27,361 Speaker 2: and alcohol? In like ten years bedridden? 171 00:07:28,041 --> 00:07:31,561 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was about twenty five twenty six. I 172 00:07:31,601 --> 00:07:33,361 Speaker 4: had gone back to school at the time. I was 173 00:07:33,401 --> 00:07:35,201 Speaker 4: about to like wrap up my grad school. I was 174 00:07:35,241 --> 00:07:37,281 Speaker 4: about to get my PhD. And I was going to 175 00:07:37,321 --> 00:07:42,201 Speaker 4: get a scholarship. And basically, like I had been in 176 00:07:42,241 --> 00:07:45,161 Speaker 4: like fight or flight modes so long. People don't just 177 00:07:45,241 --> 00:07:47,081 Speaker 4: kind of end up with this condition because life is 178 00:07:47,121 --> 00:07:50,121 Speaker 4: going well. It's basically either like you get like a 179 00:07:50,241 --> 00:07:53,641 Speaker 4: virus or you have like a compounding effect of trauma. 180 00:07:53,801 --> 00:07:55,841 Speaker 4: So I was dating this guy at the time and 181 00:07:56,041 --> 00:08:00,321 Speaker 4: he was like, oh, I've like murdered people, and he 182 00:08:00,481 --> 00:08:03,121 Speaker 4: was having a schizophrenic breakdown. He thought that Eminem put 183 00:08:03,161 --> 00:08:06,841 Speaker 4: a chip in his head and was like, you're the 184 00:08:06,841 --> 00:08:07,481 Speaker 4: love of my life. 185 00:08:07,481 --> 00:08:08,921 Speaker 1: And then I was like kind of scared for my 186 00:08:08,961 --> 00:08:09,961 Speaker 1: life for a little bit. 187 00:08:11,441 --> 00:08:12,881 Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't think it's going to work out 188 00:08:12,921 --> 00:08:17,641 Speaker 5: with us, yeah yeah yeah, And he like knew where 189 00:08:17,641 --> 00:08:19,721 Speaker 5: I lived and I was alone, so that I think 190 00:08:19,841 --> 00:08:22,761 Speaker 5: the stress of that was like the tipping point, and 191 00:08:22,841 --> 00:08:25,561 Speaker 5: my body was just like we can't do this anymore, 192 00:08:25,561 --> 00:08:27,241 Speaker 5: and I just started I got like a flu one day, 193 00:08:27,281 --> 00:08:28,961 Speaker 5: and I was like trying to push through it, and 194 00:08:28,961 --> 00:08:30,601 Speaker 5: then one day I just like literally couldn't. 195 00:08:30,681 --> 00:08:31,401 Speaker 1: I couldn't walk. 196 00:08:32,041 --> 00:08:34,801 Speaker 2: Wow, see what he kind of shut down from the stress, 197 00:08:34,921 --> 00:08:38,681 Speaker 2: but actually couldn't function completely. 198 00:08:38,761 --> 00:08:41,281 Speaker 4: And then for two years I went to doctor's offices 199 00:08:41,321 --> 00:08:42,841 Speaker 4: and they either told me that I was going to 200 00:08:42,921 --> 00:08:44,481 Speaker 4: die or they told me that it was in my head, 201 00:08:44,521 --> 00:08:47,161 Speaker 4: and no one gave me a diagnosis until my friend 202 00:08:47,481 --> 00:08:50,121 Speaker 4: who also had this illness, she actually passed away from it. 203 00:08:50,121 --> 00:08:52,921 Speaker 4: She was our neighbor growing up, and she was like, Hey, 204 00:08:52,921 --> 00:08:55,721 Speaker 4: I think you have this condition called emmy. I looked 205 00:08:55,721 --> 00:08:58,401 Speaker 4: into it and then after that I was like diagnosed 206 00:08:58,401 --> 00:09:00,681 Speaker 4: and they did brain scans and it can like show 207 00:09:00,801 --> 00:09:03,161 Speaker 4: like you know, your quartersoul's supposed to be at like 208 00:09:03,281 --> 00:09:05,081 Speaker 4: level eight. At nine, They're like, you're ready to like 209 00:09:05,121 --> 00:09:08,361 Speaker 4: fight a saber tooth tiger. They were like, what happened 210 00:09:08,361 --> 00:09:10,561 Speaker 4: to you? Because your brain's like fried. So like after that, 211 00:09:10,641 --> 00:09:13,481 Speaker 4: I started to get the proper diagnosis. 212 00:09:13,481 --> 00:09:14,881 Speaker 1: But they're like, well there's no cure. 213 00:09:15,361 --> 00:09:15,601 Speaker 3: Wow. 214 00:09:15,641 --> 00:09:16,881 Speaker 2: So interesting. 215 00:09:17,561 --> 00:09:17,961 Speaker 1: Yeah. 216 00:09:18,001 --> 00:09:20,081 Speaker 4: So I was just like, Okay, well I'm just gonna 217 00:09:20,081 --> 00:09:23,281 Speaker 4: go live my best bedridd in life. So I moved 218 00:09:23,321 --> 00:09:26,001 Speaker 4: to LA and I just started putting out my personality online. 219 00:09:26,161 --> 00:09:28,481 Speaker 1: Like I started to get a little bit of a life. 220 00:09:29,561 --> 00:09:32,801 Speaker 2: Would you say, I mean, you look like you're thriving now, 221 00:09:33,281 --> 00:09:35,721 Speaker 2: so they say it's in cure will, but you're doing 222 00:09:35,761 --> 00:09:37,441 Speaker 2: well now, So what would you say? Is kind of 223 00:09:37,521 --> 00:09:39,801 Speaker 2: got you out of bed and back to health and 224 00:09:39,801 --> 00:09:42,441 Speaker 2: back to feeling good and obviously doing really well for yourself. 225 00:09:43,521 --> 00:09:46,601 Speaker 4: Yeah, my journey of healing was definitely not linear. Like 226 00:09:46,641 --> 00:09:48,561 Speaker 4: I had a couple of near death experiences. 227 00:09:49,361 --> 00:09:50,721 Speaker 2: Oh, you have lived ten lots. 228 00:09:51,001 --> 00:09:52,761 Speaker 3: I'm like, you gotta tell us all the details go. 229 00:09:52,841 --> 00:09:54,081 Speaker 3: We're gonna have to do a pop one, two and 230 00:09:54,161 --> 00:09:54,881 Speaker 3: three hotly. 231 00:09:56,321 --> 00:09:58,641 Speaker 4: It's kind of hard for me to like consolidate all 232 00:09:58,681 --> 00:10:02,441 Speaker 4: the eras. But yeah, so you know, part of it 233 00:10:02,521 --> 00:10:04,601 Speaker 4: was me just being like fuck it, I'm just gonna 234 00:10:04,641 --> 00:10:06,601 Speaker 4: live my bad, bedridden in life. And I actually like 235 00:10:06,641 --> 00:10:09,841 Speaker 4: started putting out my weird personality online and I became 236 00:10:09,881 --> 00:10:12,001 Speaker 4: known as like America's spirit animal, and I was like 237 00:10:12,041 --> 00:10:15,201 Speaker 4: really silly, but I was also like barely functioning, like 238 00:10:15,601 --> 00:10:18,401 Speaker 4: was veterriand and all the time. Finally I found this 239 00:10:18,561 --> 00:10:21,001 Speaker 4: group called CFS Health and they helped me like create 240 00:10:21,001 --> 00:10:23,641 Speaker 4: a baseline, and then from there I was able to 241 00:10:23,721 --> 00:10:24,201 Speaker 4: kind of like. 242 00:10:24,161 --> 00:10:24,921 Speaker 1: Get out of bed. 243 00:10:24,961 --> 00:10:27,561 Speaker 4: But then I had like a million setbacks, and then 244 00:10:27,601 --> 00:10:30,161 Speaker 4: on the last near death experience, like my body shot 245 00:10:30,161 --> 00:10:32,561 Speaker 4: out and came back, and then all of a sudden, 246 00:10:32,601 --> 00:10:35,481 Speaker 4: I was like in a different reality and that's when 247 00:10:35,521 --> 00:10:37,161 Speaker 4: I was like officially out of bed. 248 00:10:38,041 --> 00:10:39,521 Speaker 3: Wow, that's incredible. 249 00:10:39,801 --> 00:10:42,081 Speaker 2: Do you think doing a little work on your nervous 250 00:10:42,081 --> 00:10:45,041 Speaker 2: system just helped you get out of bed? Or was it? 251 00:10:45,681 --> 00:10:47,561 Speaker 2: I feel like I need more details on how you. 252 00:10:47,561 --> 00:10:48,721 Speaker 1: Actually yet that. 253 00:10:49,721 --> 00:10:52,361 Speaker 4: So I listened to a lot of doctor Joe Despenza 254 00:10:52,401 --> 00:10:54,841 Speaker 4: because he's basically like, you can heal yourself, which I 255 00:10:54,881 --> 00:10:57,441 Speaker 4: was kind of forced to do because there was not 256 00:10:57,521 --> 00:11:00,601 Speaker 4: a cure. Yeah, so I spent like, no joke, like 257 00:11:00,641 --> 00:11:03,681 Speaker 4: two hours of a day rewiring my brain and I. 258 00:11:03,561 --> 00:11:04,641 Speaker 1: Got really good at it. 259 00:11:04,721 --> 00:11:08,321 Speaker 4: So I like pull my power back from my problems 260 00:11:08,361 --> 00:11:10,841 Speaker 4: over and over and over and like my symptoms and 261 00:11:10,881 --> 00:11:14,401 Speaker 4: my problems, and so that is like one of the 262 00:11:14,401 --> 00:11:18,561 Speaker 4: biggest foundations of what helped me to kind of rewire 263 00:11:18,641 --> 00:11:21,321 Speaker 4: myself and then started calling in better support. 264 00:11:21,721 --> 00:11:24,201 Speaker 2: Well done, because the consistency of doing that and staying 265 00:11:24,281 --> 00:11:27,401 Speaker 2: persistent would have been a lot like good on KNW. 266 00:11:27,481 --> 00:11:30,121 Speaker 1: That's incredible. Yeah, I did it for three years. 267 00:11:30,161 --> 00:11:33,081 Speaker 4: I didn't miss a single Okay, I went, I've gone 268 00:11:33,121 --> 00:11:36,041 Speaker 4: to eat of his retreats, So I had like. 269 00:11:38,561 --> 00:11:42,721 Speaker 3: So agreat that's so interesting. So obviously when you went 270 00:11:42,721 --> 00:11:45,881 Speaker 3: through that experience with the forced heroine and going through 271 00:11:45,921 --> 00:11:48,761 Speaker 3: that and then coming into the incurable disease phase of 272 00:11:48,801 --> 00:11:52,201 Speaker 3: your life, like were there any signs of this happening 273 00:11:52,201 --> 00:11:54,561 Speaker 3: in your body like from that moment of like that 274 00:11:54,641 --> 00:11:58,561 Speaker 3: heroin situation, Like did you ever feel like I know 275 00:11:58,681 --> 00:12:01,161 Speaker 3: that something's not right psychologically, like with all the things 276 00:12:01,161 --> 00:12:02,881 Speaker 3: that I've experienced, the things that I've gone through, the 277 00:12:02,881 --> 00:12:05,321 Speaker 3: toxic relationships and all of those things, Like I know 278 00:12:05,361 --> 00:12:07,121 Speaker 3: you said you felt like you'd come into this world 279 00:12:07,521 --> 00:12:09,361 Speaker 3: off on the wrong foot, you know, feeling like, oh 280 00:12:09,401 --> 00:12:11,521 Speaker 3: my gosh, this is so tough already. But like, was 281 00:12:11,521 --> 00:12:13,441 Speaker 3: there any part of you that felt like something just 282 00:12:13,481 --> 00:12:16,081 Speaker 3: like wasn't right and that you actually needing support at 283 00:12:16,081 --> 00:12:18,241 Speaker 3: that time or do you feel like you were kind 284 00:12:18,281 --> 00:12:19,721 Speaker 3: of lost in that phase of life? 285 00:12:20,681 --> 00:12:20,961 Speaker 1: Yeah. 286 00:12:21,081 --> 00:12:25,441 Speaker 4: I always was like, you know, there's always can be worse, right, 287 00:12:25,481 --> 00:12:28,041 Speaker 4: Like I could be homeless, I could not have food, 288 00:12:28,081 --> 00:12:31,601 Speaker 4: But I just couldn't understand why, Like every chapter I 289 00:12:31,721 --> 00:12:33,841 Speaker 4: was just so far off the norm. It was like 290 00:12:33,881 --> 00:12:37,041 Speaker 4: I could never like sync up. And it wasn't like 291 00:12:37,361 --> 00:12:39,241 Speaker 4: little hiccups or little health things. 292 00:12:39,281 --> 00:12:43,481 Speaker 1: It was like these catastrophic getting totally derailed all the time. 293 00:12:43,561 --> 00:12:48,801 Speaker 4: And I never understood it until I like created this 294 00:12:48,921 --> 00:12:52,481 Speaker 4: brand and got out there with this business. Because even 295 00:12:52,561 --> 00:12:55,801 Speaker 4: though in all those chapters, I was always coaching and 296 00:12:55,841 --> 00:12:58,401 Speaker 4: supporting people, I was always mentoring people. Even from my 297 00:12:58,521 --> 00:13:01,521 Speaker 4: literal bed when I couldn't walk, I was still healing 298 00:13:01,601 --> 00:13:04,561 Speaker 4: people and helping people. So it's like all my life 299 00:13:04,601 --> 00:13:08,281 Speaker 4: experience eriances keen together for this particular brand, and I've 300 00:13:08,281 --> 00:13:10,881 Speaker 4: never had someone come to me and be like not 301 00:13:11,081 --> 00:13:14,121 Speaker 4: get them unblocked or not understand their perspective or not 302 00:13:14,161 --> 00:13:15,281 Speaker 4: understand where they're coming from. 303 00:13:15,281 --> 00:13:17,321 Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful for. 304 00:13:17,441 --> 00:13:21,121 Speaker 4: All the detours I had to go down, because there's 305 00:13:21,161 --> 00:13:23,561 Speaker 4: no way I could have the wisdom or the empathy 306 00:13:23,601 --> 00:13:24,321 Speaker 4: that I do now. 307 00:13:24,641 --> 00:13:27,441 Speaker 2: It's like turning pain into purpose. And we had another 308 00:13:27,481 --> 00:13:31,041 Speaker 2: coach on once Lewis, who said, your biggest wound becomes 309 00:13:31,121 --> 00:13:33,801 Speaker 2: your purpose. And like say, from mine for example, I 310 00:13:33,841 --> 00:13:36,321 Speaker 2: grew up feeling very very alone and an abusive stepfather. 311 00:13:36,361 --> 00:13:38,521 Speaker 2: I was always bullied at school. When my number one 312 00:13:38,521 --> 00:13:40,801 Speaker 2: mission is to make women not feel alone. And then 313 00:13:40,841 --> 00:13:43,081 Speaker 2: with yours, it was like a self worth, wasn't it. 314 00:13:43,281 --> 00:13:43,521 Speaker 5: Yeah. 315 00:13:43,561 --> 00:13:46,081 Speaker 3: Well, I had an experience where my ex partner released 316 00:13:46,081 --> 00:13:48,441 Speaker 3: a sex tape of us without my consent around my hometown. 317 00:13:48,481 --> 00:13:51,361 Speaker 3: So I really resonate with the public humiliation part that 318 00:13:51,401 --> 00:13:53,841 Speaker 3: you share online. And so that has been my purpose 319 00:13:53,841 --> 00:13:56,921 Speaker 3: of bringing safety back into women's bodies and self trust 320 00:13:56,961 --> 00:13:59,841 Speaker 3: and boundaries and knowing that they are their own leaders 321 00:13:59,881 --> 00:14:01,681 Speaker 3: and that they can trust in that no matter what's 322 00:14:01,681 --> 00:14:02,641 Speaker 3: happening around their lives. 323 00:14:02,681 --> 00:14:04,481 Speaker 2: And that's the beautiful thing of the painful things that 324 00:14:04,481 --> 00:14:06,681 Speaker 2: we go in life. We can find the gift and 325 00:14:06,721 --> 00:14:08,441 Speaker 2: if if you had to go through that paint then 326 00:14:08,481 --> 00:14:10,721 Speaker 2: help so many other people. I just see that was 327 00:14:10,761 --> 00:14:12,881 Speaker 2: such a blessing. Yeah, you look back at all the 328 00:14:12,881 --> 00:14:15,321 Speaker 2: painful things, I'm like, Wow, so glad that happened because 329 00:14:15,361 --> 00:14:17,201 Speaker 2: it's helped me to be the woman I am today 330 00:14:17,201 --> 00:14:19,081 Speaker 2: and now I get to help thousands of other women. 331 00:14:19,241 --> 00:14:21,401 Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, But you know, I wonder like in 332 00:14:21,441 --> 00:14:23,201 Speaker 3: that time over the you know, the ten years that 333 00:14:23,241 --> 00:14:25,281 Speaker 3: you were in and out of hospital, I'm sure there 334 00:14:25,281 --> 00:14:27,201 Speaker 3: would have been moments before you had done the work 335 00:14:27,241 --> 00:14:31,561 Speaker 3: with the Joe Dispenser and rewiring your mind where I 336 00:14:31,561 --> 00:14:33,041 Speaker 3: don't know, did anything come up for you in that 337 00:14:33,081 --> 00:14:34,921 Speaker 3: time where you were just like fuck this. 338 00:14:35,161 --> 00:14:36,401 Speaker 1: Like I feel like a victim. 339 00:14:36,481 --> 00:14:37,161 Speaker 2: This is shit? 340 00:14:37,401 --> 00:14:39,801 Speaker 3: Like why me? Like, can you like walk us through 341 00:14:39,801 --> 00:14:42,161 Speaker 3: the headspace that you were in, you know, when you 342 00:14:42,241 --> 00:14:44,961 Speaker 3: found out when you got diagnosed, Like what was happening, 343 00:14:45,481 --> 00:14:47,881 Speaker 3: how you were feeling, and like what kind of headspace 344 00:14:47,921 --> 00:14:49,881 Speaker 3: were you in in that period of your life and 345 00:14:49,921 --> 00:14:51,241 Speaker 3: how did you kind of come out of that. 346 00:14:51,761 --> 00:14:54,521 Speaker 4: Yeah, even as you guys were sharing your experiences, it's 347 00:14:54,561 --> 00:14:57,481 Speaker 4: like in the moment, you have no idea what it's 348 00:14:57,521 --> 00:15:00,121 Speaker 4: going to unfold, and that's the hardest because when you're 349 00:15:00,121 --> 00:15:02,601 Speaker 4: in it, you're just like, what the fuck is this? 350 00:15:03,841 --> 00:15:04,601 Speaker 2: Trusting you the bes? 351 00:15:05,681 --> 00:15:11,761 Speaker 1: Yeah, how the fuck are you? Trustworthy? Shamed? 352 00:15:11,881 --> 00:15:16,241 Speaker 4: Humiliated like derailed, like abandoned, Like you're never. 353 00:15:16,081 --> 00:15:18,121 Speaker 1: In that moment being like thank you. 354 00:15:18,601 --> 00:15:21,881 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm feeling really positive. 355 00:15:21,401 --> 00:15:28,481 Speaker 1: Tonight, my love. Like no one is thinking like that's true. 356 00:15:29,361 --> 00:15:31,521 Speaker 4: I'm grateful because the people I always work with are 357 00:15:31,561 --> 00:15:33,721 Speaker 4: like the most empowered people, Like I've never had to 358 00:15:33,841 --> 00:15:36,241 Speaker 4: look at someone like you're being a victim. But I 359 00:15:36,241 --> 00:15:38,361 Speaker 4: think in those moments we're allowed to be like it's 360 00:15:38,401 --> 00:15:41,081 Speaker 4: okay if you're like, what the fuck is this? It's 361 00:15:41,121 --> 00:15:44,241 Speaker 4: okay if you don't know. I think it's like yeah, 362 00:15:44,321 --> 00:15:46,961 Speaker 4: of course. Like my default setting was like get me 363 00:15:47,081 --> 00:15:50,841 Speaker 4: the hell off this planet. Like you know, like I've 364 00:15:50,881 --> 00:15:53,521 Speaker 4: always had a really bright soul and a big personality, 365 00:15:53,561 --> 00:15:55,521 Speaker 4: and I can literally make the best out of you. 366 00:15:55,561 --> 00:15:56,441 Speaker 1: Hand me anything. 367 00:15:56,521 --> 00:15:58,921 Speaker 4: I will be cracking jokes, but like a part of 368 00:15:58,961 --> 00:16:01,001 Speaker 4: me has just deeply struggled to be even if I'm 369 00:16:01,001 --> 00:16:03,601 Speaker 4: like not struggling, like I have really struggled to be 370 00:16:03,601 --> 00:16:05,481 Speaker 4: on this planet. Like I think that's been my biggest 371 00:16:05,481 --> 00:16:07,641 Speaker 4: default character is just like get me out of here. 372 00:16:08,161 --> 00:16:10,841 Speaker 4: So one hundred percent when I had to get sober, 373 00:16:10,881 --> 00:16:13,281 Speaker 4: I was like, this is the worst thing that's ever 374 00:16:13,361 --> 00:16:14,681 Speaker 4: happened to me in my entire. 375 00:16:14,481 --> 00:16:17,201 Speaker 1: Life, Like, how the fuck did I end up here? 376 00:16:17,241 --> 00:16:19,521 Speaker 4: This was the one thing I liked and I can't 377 00:16:19,561 --> 00:16:23,161 Speaker 4: do it, Like totally felt victimized. 378 00:16:22,561 --> 00:16:24,721 Speaker 1: Like no part of me was like, there's a light 379 00:16:24,801 --> 00:16:25,961 Speaker 1: at the end of this tunnel. 380 00:16:28,081 --> 00:16:28,561 Speaker 2: It's so true. 381 00:16:28,601 --> 00:16:30,241 Speaker 3: When you're going through it the right, you don't see that. 382 00:16:30,281 --> 00:16:31,601 Speaker 3: You don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. 383 00:16:31,601 --> 00:16:34,161 Speaker 3: And the uncertainty, I find is the most challenging part 384 00:16:34,241 --> 00:16:36,441 Speaker 3: because you're like, well, I don't know what it looks like. 385 00:16:36,441 --> 00:16:38,441 Speaker 3: I don't know what the path looks like. And we 386 00:16:38,521 --> 00:16:40,361 Speaker 3: often think like I wish I could just know which 387 00:16:40,441 --> 00:16:42,561 Speaker 3: direction to go in or which path to follow. But 388 00:16:42,881 --> 00:16:45,481 Speaker 3: the path doesn't light up before you take action or 389 00:16:45,521 --> 00:16:48,041 Speaker 3: before you choose the path. It shows up along the way, 390 00:16:48,081 --> 00:16:49,281 Speaker 3: and that's what you have to kind of have to 391 00:16:49,281 --> 00:16:50,041 Speaker 3: trust in. 392 00:16:50,521 --> 00:16:52,921 Speaker 4: Thing go And people don't realize the amount of effort 393 00:16:53,121 --> 00:16:56,841 Speaker 4: it takes to experience, like yeah, what it actually takes 394 00:16:56,881 --> 00:16:59,121 Speaker 4: to get in the driver's seat and create that path 395 00:16:59,441 --> 00:17:03,281 Speaker 4: it is like a full time job to rewrite your 396 00:17:03,321 --> 00:17:06,281 Speaker 4: story or step into a different light. It's not like 397 00:17:06,641 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 4: it's just like I'm going to make a decision today 398 00:17:08,801 --> 00:17:09,161 Speaker 4: and it's. 399 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,641 Speaker 1: All going to start working out. You have to brainwash yourself. 400 00:17:12,681 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: You have to like, yeah, so true, not you know 401 00:17:15,961 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: what I mean, It's not just like handed to you 402 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: out of left field. 403 00:17:19,801 --> 00:17:21,561 Speaker 2: That's so true. I know in line that you've said 404 00:17:21,561 --> 00:17:24,681 Speaker 2: you feel like addiction is misunderstood. What is something you 405 00:17:24,721 --> 00:17:26,961 Speaker 2: would you wish you knew back then, or something you'd 406 00:17:27,001 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: like our audience to hear about addiction learn about addiction. 407 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,561 Speaker 4: I just think that there is so much shame that 408 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 4: people carry for something that's like outside of their control. 409 00:17:38,321 --> 00:17:38,561 Speaker 1: Right. 410 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,001 Speaker 4: It's it's so funny because even when we're talking about 411 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,881 Speaker 4: like having a sex tape leaked or being abandoned, right, 412 00:17:45,921 --> 00:17:48,521 Speaker 4: It's like it's interesting how the empaths always go into 413 00:17:48,561 --> 00:17:53,241 Speaker 4: like shame. Right. But it's like I think that in hindsight, 414 00:17:53,761 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 4: you realize that people who have addictions also there's also 415 00:17:57,441 --> 00:18:00,321 Speaker 4: like a set of personality things that can also be 416 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:02,801 Speaker 4: flipped into something good when you get sober, right, Like 417 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,321 Speaker 4: there's an archetype that comes with that personality, So so 418 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:07,721 Speaker 4: it's like when you're in it though, you just kind 419 00:18:07,721 --> 00:18:09,561 Speaker 4: of are in the shame part. But when you get 420 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: past that, there's a lot of like gifts that a 421 00:18:12,481 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 4: lot of people who struggle with addiction have. 422 00:18:15,521 --> 00:18:17,801 Speaker 2: Do you feel like when you wanted to party and 423 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 2: quote unquote use your like I wanted to be a 424 00:18:19,681 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: normal girl and just party and have a fun with 425 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: my friends. Do you think that was true? And also 426 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,041 Speaker 2: you were trying to numb out from pain and run 427 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,001 Speaker 2: away from how you were really feeling deep down? 428 00:18:30,961 --> 00:18:31,401 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 429 00:18:31,441 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 4: One that I didn't even know that people drank to 430 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 4: have a good time, Like I thought everyone was drinking 431 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 4: to black out. And when I remember talking to my roommate, 432 00:18:38,961 --> 00:18:40,961 Speaker 4: she was like describing the night before and like you 433 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,681 Speaker 4: were member things like you're just drinking to like loosen 434 00:18:44,761 --> 00:18:49,281 Speaker 4: up a little bit. Like that wasn't concept. I was like, Oh, 435 00:18:49,321 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 4: I thought we're like trying to go to outer space, 436 00:18:51,721 --> 00:18:54,041 Speaker 4: like not have a conscious thought. I was like, well, 437 00:18:54,041 --> 00:18:56,001 Speaker 4: we are not in the same wave, Like no wonder, 438 00:18:56,041 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 4: I'm like ping up like eating out of the trash and. 439 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean out Yeah, Yeah, I. 440 00:19:01,801 --> 00:19:03,561 Speaker 4: Just was like I thought we all wanted out, and 441 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,761 Speaker 4: then I realized, like, no, not, everyone's like tortured on 442 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 4: the inside, you know. 443 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting what people do to cope. We're both 444 00:19:11,961 --> 00:19:14,681 Speaker 2: non drinkers as well, and I mean I haven't drank 445 00:19:14,721 --> 00:19:16,921 Speaker 2: much my life, but my partner did, and you did, 446 00:19:16,961 --> 00:19:20,441 Speaker 2: and like my whole family with massive drinkers. And it's 447 00:19:20,481 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: really sad to see because I see when people are 448 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: excessively drinking, I'm like, oh, hurt you, what happened? What 449 00:19:25,241 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 2: are you escaping from? And just life outside of drinking 450 00:19:28,481 --> 00:19:30,961 Speaker 2: being so much more conscious, you feel everything so much more, 451 00:19:31,001 --> 00:19:33,761 Speaker 2: your connections are so much more deeper. And it's a 452 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: very big problem here in Australia to like the Aussie 453 00:19:36,041 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: culture is like everything you drink for it, you're celebrating, 454 00:19:39,281 --> 00:19:42,041 Speaker 2: you're stressed, Yeah, like to have fun, like everything. 455 00:19:41,681 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: Is wine down. Yeah. 456 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 3: And I can relate as well with like the using 457 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: the drinking to numb out. I used to get to 458 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 3: the point that you were as well of like wanting 459 00:19:50,921 --> 00:19:53,161 Speaker 3: to forget how I was feeling in the sexual shame 460 00:19:53,201 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: that I was feeling from feeling exposed and humulated and 461 00:19:56,241 --> 00:19:58,961 Speaker 3: shamed for wanting to be a sexual being at such 462 00:19:59,001 --> 00:20:01,721 Speaker 3: a young age and feeling like I'm so dirty, I'm 463 00:20:01,761 --> 00:20:05,041 Speaker 3: so wrong for wanting this and for wanting to experience 464 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,961 Speaker 3: something that every single personally his planet does, but I'm 465 00:20:07,961 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 3: the person who's being isolated and shamed for it. And 466 00:20:10,441 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 3: so I led to drinking and leaned towards drinking and 467 00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 3: recreational drugs so that I could free myself from the 468 00:20:15,681 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 3: shame that I felt, from the judgment, from the internal 469 00:20:18,921 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: dialogue that was coming up day in and day out 470 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:22,561 Speaker 3: of all the things that I was doing wrong in 471 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 3: my life. And so I don't blame people who kind 472 00:20:25,441 --> 00:20:27,721 Speaker 3: of fall into addiction, you know, for the reasons why 473 00:20:27,721 --> 00:20:30,041 Speaker 3: they choose to numb out. But yeah, it's definitely a 474 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: huge part of the reason why I'm sober now is 475 00:20:31,921 --> 00:20:33,801 Speaker 3: because of how badly I felt like I needed to 476 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 3: lean on it to. 477 00:20:34,441 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: Numb yeah soon enough to feel all the yeah yeah yeah. 478 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 2: So is it just the last couple of years, like 479 00:20:39,961 --> 00:20:42,521 Speaker 2: you're thirty eight now, does it last like two three 480 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: years where you've really rebuilt yourself and you've built this 481 00:20:44,721 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: amazing brand and you're helping so many women with your 482 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: online coaching, And how did you start to really rebuild 483 00:20:50,681 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: trust with yourself and trust within your body and also 484 00:20:53,201 --> 00:20:56,241 Speaker 2: trust with women, with men, with people around you, because 485 00:20:56,281 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 2: a lot of people have betrayed you and I suppose 486 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: done the wrong thing by you, that would have been 487 00:20:59,681 --> 00:21:00,761 Speaker 2: quite a journey as well. 488 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 489 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:05,041 Speaker 4: Yeah, so kind of like what you guys were just described. 490 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,721 Speaker 4: I think sometimes when you go through a trauma, there's 491 00:21:08,201 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 4: secondary traumas that come with it, right, So it could 492 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 4: be like the lack of support. It's how other people 493 00:21:13,001 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 4: handle it. And so I think part of what happens 494 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,761 Speaker 4: is you isolate. And I think that isolation has been 495 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 4: kind of a default thing that's always happened to me. 496 00:21:23,281 --> 00:21:26,001 Speaker 4: I've been going on these different chapters of life, and 497 00:21:26,281 --> 00:21:30,561 Speaker 4: part of how I stopped abandoning myself or stopped ending 498 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,801 Speaker 4: up in these crazy situations is like I was kind 499 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,801 Speaker 4: of forced through isolation to stop abandoning myself. Like I 500 00:21:35,801 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 4: couldn't walk some days, so it's like I couldn't leave, 501 00:21:38,521 --> 00:21:40,521 Speaker 4: I couldn't escape, but there's nothing, there's nowhere to go, 502 00:21:40,921 --> 00:21:44,481 Speaker 4: So I was kind of like forced to like do 503 00:21:44,561 --> 00:21:46,521 Speaker 4: something different. Otherwise I knew I was never going to 504 00:21:46,561 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 4: really get out of bed again. And so I think 505 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,801 Speaker 4: that when we are ready, when we hit a big 506 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 4: enough bottom, we will ultimately start to choose ourselves and 507 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 4: then that becomes like the baseline. 508 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,081 Speaker 2: Really it's rock bottom when things start to change high 509 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,521 Speaker 2: or if you get a strong enough why go. So 510 00:22:03,721 --> 00:22:06,321 Speaker 2: with what you're doing right now, you're helping other women 511 00:22:06,321 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: that have been through similar journeys to what you've been on. 512 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,121 Speaker 2: Or is it a little bit of business coaching as well? 513 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 2: Do talk a little bit about how you're helping your community? 514 00:22:13,321 --> 00:22:17,681 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, So we do coaching and healing and things 515 00:22:17,721 --> 00:22:17,961 Speaker 1: like that. 516 00:22:18,001 --> 00:22:20,241 Speaker 4: A lot of as you guys know, like creating your 517 00:22:20,281 --> 00:22:23,681 Speaker 4: own thing requires like a mindset and identity shift. It's 518 00:22:23,721 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 4: also like you have to have like aligned offers, you 519 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 4: have to build a business that kind of like works 520 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,281 Speaker 4: for you, visibility, all those things. So it's kind of 521 00:22:30,281 --> 00:22:34,441 Speaker 4: like a very holistic approach to kind of helping healers, coaches, 522 00:22:34,561 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 4: old souls get visible with their brands. So it's a 523 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: little bit of business, a little bit of mindset, a 524 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 4: little bit of like, you know, what is the message 525 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 4: that you're trying to bring forward and getting clarity on 526 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,441 Speaker 4: that because it's really hard to like get out there 527 00:22:45,441 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 4: when you don't know like who you're talking to or 528 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 4: what you're doing, you know. 529 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:49,761 Speaker 1: I love that. 530 00:22:50,001 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 3: I've also seen that just on your social media that 531 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 3: you've helped like sixty six thousand women in the last 532 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 3: twelve months, which is an incredible achievement for one. But 533 00:22:57,681 --> 00:22:59,961 Speaker 3: I would love to know, like, you know, for anyone 534 00:23:00,001 --> 00:23:03,721 Speaker 3: who's currently going through like the darkest hour or experience 535 00:23:03,761 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 3: something along the lines that you did, what's like a 536 00:23:06,441 --> 00:23:08,881 Speaker 3: piece of advice that you would give them in terms 537 00:23:08,921 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 3: of them having hope for what is possible for them 538 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,521 Speaker 3: in the future, or if. 539 00:23:12,441 --> 00:23:13,921 Speaker 2: They're deep in their addiction as well. 540 00:23:14,521 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that what I've noticed is that 541 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:23,281 Speaker 4: a lot of old souls who are called to something greater, 542 00:23:23,681 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 4: we always get initiated through darkness, right, so people who 543 00:23:28,201 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 4: have light to share with the world intentionally sign up 544 00:23:31,921 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 4: for harder paths, just like with both of you guys, 545 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 4: sharing small moments of that initiation into your calling. Without 546 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: those pivotal experiences, you probably wouldn't be. 547 00:23:44,521 --> 00:23:46,361 Speaker 1: Called to do what you're doing today. 548 00:23:46,561 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 4: And so it's not even that you have to be 549 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,721 Speaker 4: like grateful for what you're going through. 550 00:23:50,761 --> 00:23:52,841 Speaker 1: You don't even have to be positive to be honest. 551 00:23:53,241 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 4: But I think understanding that there is a higher path 552 00:23:57,201 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 4: if you're hearing this, and that there's no way that 553 00:23:59,681 --> 00:24:02,561 Speaker 4: your soul just signed up to be like fucked over 554 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 4: for the rest of your life. That there is an 555 00:24:04,441 --> 00:24:07,681 Speaker 4: intention behind this. Sometimes we have to create it right, 556 00:24:08,041 --> 00:24:10,961 Speaker 4: but obviously if people are listening to your podcast, they 557 00:24:10,961 --> 00:24:13,041 Speaker 4: have the ability to transmute it. 558 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,161 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And you speak often about like old souls 559 00:24:17,321 --> 00:24:19,321 Speaker 3: and chosen ones, and I would love to hear like 560 00:24:19,321 --> 00:24:22,161 Speaker 3: in your own words, like what those titles mean to you, 561 00:24:22,201 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: so that if anybody is listening and they go, oh 562 00:24:24,281 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 3: my gosh, I resonate with what she's saying, like they 563 00:24:26,521 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: can understand if it actually applies to them or not. 564 00:24:29,921 --> 00:24:33,321 Speaker 1: So basically, the quickest way to understand if you're an 565 00:24:33,321 --> 00:24:37,281 Speaker 1: old soul is your natural degree of empathy. So that's 566 00:24:37,321 --> 00:24:39,001 Speaker 1: like the basic highest. 567 00:24:38,761 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 4: Virtue we can have as beings is empathy. And so 568 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,161 Speaker 4: what I find for the path of the old soul 569 00:24:44,241 --> 00:24:47,921 Speaker 4: is there's a lot of isolation, public humiliation, addiction. These 570 00:24:47,961 --> 00:24:50,041 Speaker 4: are all really common themes. A lot of health problems 571 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,281 Speaker 4: come with this archetype, and again it's all by design 572 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 4: for our calling and our purpose, but it's usually you 573 00:24:57,281 --> 00:24:59,521 Speaker 4: can tell if you're the kind of person who's still 574 00:24:59,561 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 4: lifting other people up when you're at your darkest time, 575 00:25:02,761 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 4: that's a clear indication that you're pretty advanced. So I 576 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,041 Speaker 4: think that that's kind of how I would package that archetype. 577 00:25:09,281 --> 00:25:12,001 Speaker 2: That's beautiful. I do agree with everything you say about 578 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,041 Speaker 2: like anyone that I inspired by, whether it's Oprah or 579 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: Tony Robbins or Gary v Like they have an incredibly 580 00:25:18,201 --> 00:25:20,761 Speaker 2: dark story, Yeah, that's got them to where they are. 581 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,321 Speaker 2: You think that anyone you're truly inspired by, there's always 582 00:25:23,321 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 2: a big story behind us. 583 00:25:24,561 --> 00:25:26,681 Speaker 3: So true, there's always a reason. There's always something they've 584 00:25:26,721 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 3: been through that has allowed them to accumulate a certain 585 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,761 Speaker 3: level of wisdom before their time, before their age, that 586 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 3: makes them who they are. And I love those people 587 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,161 Speaker 3: for that reason because they do. They have so much 588 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,001 Speaker 3: wisdom to share, and they do. They are very compassionate people. 589 00:25:40,201 --> 00:25:41,721 Speaker 3: I remember saying to my coach one day, and I'd 590 00:25:41,761 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 3: loved your opinion on this. I am very grateful for 591 00:25:44,721 --> 00:25:46,801 Speaker 3: my childhood and my real father left when I was young, 592 00:25:46,801 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: my stepfather's abusive, and all this horrific things happen. I 593 00:25:49,481 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 3: am truly grateful because it's maybe who I am today, 594 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: and I don't think i'd be here doing what we're 595 00:25:53,201 --> 00:25:54,961 Speaker 3: doing if I didn't go through all of that. I've 596 00:25:55,001 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: got two children. 597 00:25:55,681 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 2: I've got a ten year old boy and a three 598 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 2: year old girl, and I always wonder, like, I've tried 599 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: to give them such a beautiful childhood and nothing quote 600 00:26:03,921 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 2: unquote like fucked up or hectic or any type of 601 00:26:06,441 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: abuse or anything. And I'm like, how are they going 602 00:26:08,561 --> 00:26:11,161 Speaker 2: to learn all there's valuable lessons I learned through going 603 00:26:11,201 --> 00:26:13,361 Speaker 2: through so much pain in my child Like, I'm sure 604 00:26:13,441 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 2: there's you know, definitely things that I'm sure I'm going 605 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: to fuck them up in one way or another. But 606 00:26:16,921 --> 00:26:19,481 Speaker 2: I wonder how they can get that level of wisdom 607 00:26:19,921 --> 00:26:23,161 Speaker 2: without going through those really painful traumatic times like I did. 608 00:26:23,201 --> 00:26:24,281 Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on that? 609 00:26:24,801 --> 00:26:28,521 Speaker 4: My thoughts on that is that sometimes as the cycle 610 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 4: breaker in your family, basically what you're here to do 611 00:26:31,281 --> 00:26:33,041 Speaker 4: is you're here to shift the consciousness. 612 00:26:33,481 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: So instead of having. 613 00:26:34,721 --> 00:26:40,521 Speaker 4: To learn through hardship, suffering, abuse, trauma, you can call 614 00:26:40,561 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 4: in souls who can learn through gentler pathways. And so 615 00:26:45,521 --> 00:26:48,201 Speaker 4: I believe that more and more souls that are being 616 00:26:48,201 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 4: called to planet Earth are here to learn in a 617 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,801 Speaker 4: more gentle way because they're more advanced, and so as 618 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,761 Speaker 4: the cycle breaker, they don't have to endure the things 619 00:26:56,761 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 4: that you did to carry on wisdom and to carry 620 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,241 Speaker 4: on empathy. 621 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,241 Speaker 2: Beautiful, I love that. 622 00:27:02,241 --> 00:27:03,041 Speaker 3: That's so nice. 623 00:27:03,281 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: That's really nice. 624 00:27:04,201 --> 00:27:06,521 Speaker 3: Beautiful that you have a lot of ways to work 625 00:27:06,521 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 3: with you and you've got a lot going on at 626 00:27:07,721 --> 00:27:10,001 Speaker 3: the moment. You have one on one coaching and support, 627 00:27:10,041 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 3: ways of support. So if anybody who's listening and they're like, 628 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 3: I love her, I need to be in her world, Like, 629 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,241 Speaker 3: please send them anyway? 630 00:27:17,761 --> 00:27:18,801 Speaker 1: How can they find you? 631 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,521 Speaker 3: And what do you have at the moment the way 632 00:27:20,521 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 3: they can join your world. 633 00:27:22,201 --> 00:27:24,881 Speaker 4: Yeah, So every month, well at least for this last year, 634 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,921 Speaker 4: every month we did a free master class of you're 635 00:27:27,001 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 4: just like, let me dab my toe into this world 636 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 4: and just see what it's like. 637 00:27:31,041 --> 00:27:33,761 Speaker 1: Come to a master class. They're free. I literally pour 638 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:34,961 Speaker 1: into people for hours. 639 00:27:35,001 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 4: One time, I literally pissed myself because I didn't want 640 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,121 Speaker 4: to interrupt the. 641 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:44,001 Speaker 1: Three I like, I admitted, and she's committed. I'm so permitted. 642 00:27:44,481 --> 00:27:47,321 Speaker 4: And then I obviously I have my my membership, which 643 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,041 Speaker 4: has different tiers. We got weekly group calls. People love 644 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,721 Speaker 4: it because there's such a beautiful community. It's called the upgrade. 645 00:27:52,961 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 4: Right now, my one to one coaching is the doors 646 00:27:56,481 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 4: closed at the moment. I can only kind of open 647 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,721 Speaker 4: them here and there. If I can take people on, 648 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 4: I will, but that's closed. I also will have a 649 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,081 Speaker 4: mastermind opening up this year as well, so that's. 650 00:28:06,281 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: Something exciting, amazing, and honestly, if anyone even without all 651 00:28:09,561 --> 00:28:11,561 Speaker 2: of that, like just head to our social media because 652 00:28:11,681 --> 00:28:14,801 Speaker 2: like we said, we love bringing your content. It's there's humor, 653 00:28:15,001 --> 00:28:17,081 Speaker 2: there's depth, there's authenticity. 654 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,521 Speaker 3: There's also spiciness, like I can feel your sight. 655 00:28:19,801 --> 00:28:20,401 Speaker 1: We love it. 656 00:28:20,481 --> 00:28:21,241 Speaker 2: I love it. 657 00:28:21,761 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm much sweeter in real life. 658 00:28:23,481 --> 00:28:23,841 Speaker 4: I'm like. 659 00:28:26,521 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: The way you explain it, it's just like it feels 660 00:28:28,681 --> 00:28:31,201 Speaker 2: like you're just on the couch having a conversation directly 661 00:28:31,241 --> 00:28:32,921 Speaker 2: with us and you're speaking to us and I really 662 00:28:32,921 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: love that. 663 00:28:33,281 --> 00:28:35,561 Speaker 3: And it's also very unapologetic energy, and I think that's 664 00:28:35,561 --> 00:28:37,321 Speaker 3: the fire that we're speaking to, not that we think 665 00:28:37,321 --> 00:28:39,001 Speaker 3: that you're having to go with people online, but it's 666 00:28:39,041 --> 00:28:42,241 Speaker 3: like this like genuine like unapologetic energy and that I'm 667 00:28:42,321 --> 00:28:42,641 Speaker 3: just so. 668 00:28:42,801 --> 00:28:45,761 Speaker 2: And it's no, it's just like, this is my story, 669 00:28:45,841 --> 00:28:47,881 Speaker 2: this is what I think I can help you with this, Like, 670 00:28:48,361 --> 00:28:51,361 Speaker 2: are you ready? Yeah, I'm inviting you in. It's really cool. 671 00:28:51,921 --> 00:28:55,801 Speaker 4: Is everything that I hoped to create when I was 672 00:28:55,881 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 4: dead and bad was just a world that was like 673 00:28:58,641 --> 00:28:59,921 Speaker 4: raw and real. 674 00:28:59,801 --> 00:29:01,361 Speaker 1: And where people felt seen. 675 00:29:01,681 --> 00:29:04,721 Speaker 4: And so that is like my dream feedback to here 676 00:29:05,081 --> 00:29:07,881 Speaker 4: is that even if people don't ever spend a penny 677 00:29:07,961 --> 00:29:09,921 Speaker 4: on a product or whatever, that they could at least 678 00:29:09,961 --> 00:29:13,561 Speaker 4: step into my content world and feel connected and feel home. 679 00:29:13,881 --> 00:29:14,641 Speaker 1: That's beautiful. 680 00:29:14,721 --> 00:29:15,161 Speaker 2: I love that. 681 00:29:15,201 --> 00:29:17,081 Speaker 3: We love that so much. Thank you so much for 682 00:29:17,161 --> 00:29:19,281 Speaker 3: joining us. So also, one last thing, is there anything 683 00:29:19,321 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: that you've learned in life that you're just like this, 684 00:29:21,041 --> 00:29:23,481 Speaker 3: If there's one piece of advice that you could leave 685 00:29:23,721 --> 00:29:26,041 Speaker 3: every listener, what do you think that that would be? 686 00:29:27,081 --> 00:29:29,481 Speaker 1: Can I ask you guys a question about your community? 687 00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 688 00:29:31,001 --> 00:29:34,761 Speaker 4: Okay, what do you feel like is the number one 689 00:29:35,081 --> 00:29:38,081 Speaker 4: biggest challenge that they struggle with? 690 00:29:38,121 --> 00:29:41,161 Speaker 1: Because then I can cater my advice to that. Oh wow, 691 00:29:41,281 --> 00:29:42,121 Speaker 1: that's a good question. 692 00:29:42,721 --> 00:29:44,521 Speaker 2: Wonerf we I have different answers with the same answer. 693 00:29:44,561 --> 00:29:45,161 Speaker 2: The first thing that. 694 00:29:45,081 --> 00:29:49,041 Speaker 4: Comes to you, yeah, yeah, perspective. 695 00:29:49,161 --> 00:29:51,681 Speaker 2: We have obviously our separate audiences and then they've kind 696 00:29:51,681 --> 00:29:54,601 Speaker 2: of come together. I have a very strong mum audience. 697 00:29:54,641 --> 00:29:57,561 Speaker 2: I think a lot of them losing their identity in motherhood. 698 00:29:57,801 --> 00:29:59,681 Speaker 2: But then a lot of the feedback we get through 699 00:29:59,801 --> 00:30:04,121 Speaker 2: is trust in women and building sisterhood and friendship. Yeah, yeah, 700 00:30:04,201 --> 00:30:05,001 Speaker 2: just trust in people. 701 00:30:05,281 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that, just because it's like 702 00:30:07,641 --> 00:30:10,641 Speaker 3: this business and this community is also built off our 703 00:30:10,681 --> 00:30:12,401 Speaker 3: friendship as well, and a lot of women come with 704 00:30:12,481 --> 00:30:16,321 Speaker 3: friendship problems, friendship breakdowns, not trusting in women, not trusting 705 00:30:16,321 --> 00:30:18,681 Speaker 3: in themselves. So that's kind of like the core problem 706 00:30:18,721 --> 00:30:20,561 Speaker 3: that we see that we get constant feedback on. 707 00:30:20,721 --> 00:30:22,521 Speaker 2: And then lost of my identity and motherhood the probably 708 00:30:22,561 --> 00:30:23,521 Speaker 2: our top two I reckon. 709 00:30:24,441 --> 00:30:24,801 Speaker 1: Yeah. 710 00:30:24,921 --> 00:30:29,281 Speaker 4: I think that for women who are natural givers, who 711 00:30:29,321 --> 00:30:32,681 Speaker 4: are natural healers, right, which is like the moms of 712 00:30:32,721 --> 00:30:35,561 Speaker 4: the world, the ones who lose themselves or who care right, 713 00:30:35,921 --> 00:30:38,361 Speaker 4: the friends that get fucked over the most are the 714 00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:42,681 Speaker 4: most empathic. And I think that when you've already mastered empathy, 715 00:30:43,321 --> 00:30:46,281 Speaker 4: the rest of the journey is about mastering power and 716 00:30:46,361 --> 00:30:49,921 Speaker 4: healthy self interest. And so I think that I think 717 00:30:49,961 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 4: I would encourage people to learn how to feel guilt 718 00:30:53,041 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 4: more because when you're coming out of that program of 719 00:30:55,841 --> 00:30:58,681 Speaker 4: putting yourself from last to first. You're going to feel 720 00:30:58,681 --> 00:31:00,401 Speaker 4: guilty when you say no, you're going to ask. So 721 00:31:00,561 --> 00:31:03,361 Speaker 4: I would encourage them to like actually learn how to 722 00:31:03,441 --> 00:31:07,361 Speaker 4: feel guilt and not let manipulate them, because we cannot 723 00:31:07,401 --> 00:31:10,481 Speaker 4: create a world of impact in our home or out 724 00:31:10,481 --> 00:31:14,321 Speaker 4: there in the world without a healthy basis of self interest. 725 00:31:14,481 --> 00:31:17,801 Speaker 4: And so that I would encourage your community, the women listening, 726 00:31:18,041 --> 00:31:19,281 Speaker 4: to be more selfish. 727 00:31:19,521 --> 00:31:22,041 Speaker 3: Oh beautiful, I love that so much. You're so right 728 00:31:22,041 --> 00:31:24,041 Speaker 3: about the guilts. It is one of the first steps, 729 00:31:24,081 --> 00:31:26,441 Speaker 3: and it happens every single step along the way. It 730 00:31:25,881 --> 00:31:28,401 Speaker 3: doesn't go away, it doesn't get easier, but you definitely 731 00:31:28,401 --> 00:31:30,401 Speaker 3: do get better at learning how to hold it and 732 00:31:31,161 --> 00:31:34,361 Speaker 3: learning when you have the right intentions of putting yourself first. 733 00:31:34,521 --> 00:31:37,281 Speaker 3: That it comes from a good place and it's worth feeling. 734 00:31:37,281 --> 00:31:38,481 Speaker 3: The guiltful guilt and. 735 00:31:38,441 --> 00:31:41,081 Speaker 2: Jealousy are such low vibrational frequencies that I think we 736 00:31:41,081 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 2: will try and avoid it, but it's like anything, if 737 00:31:43,241 --> 00:31:44,761 Speaker 2: you let it just come up and let it be 738 00:31:44,841 --> 00:31:46,641 Speaker 2: seen and love on it in the moment, it dissolves 739 00:31:46,681 --> 00:31:47,241 Speaker 2: a lot faster. 740 00:31:48,201 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for joining us. This has 741 00:31:50,521 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 3: been so epic. We know our audience are going to 742 00:31:52,241 --> 00:31:54,401 Speaker 3: absolutely love you and where can they find you on 743 00:31:54,441 --> 00:31:55,801 Speaker 3: social media if they got to look for you? 744 00:31:56,361 --> 00:31:56,841 Speaker 1: Amazing? 745 00:31:56,961 --> 00:32:00,041 Speaker 4: You can finally at Margo Elise Miller, I got a 746 00:32:00,081 --> 00:32:01,801 Speaker 4: silent tea, so. 747 00:32:01,721 --> 00:32:04,361 Speaker 1: That is where we can party and hang out. I 748 00:32:04,401 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: had such a good time. You guys are amazing duo together. 749 00:32:10,361 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: We feel like we spend enough time together. 750 00:32:12,841 --> 00:32:16,041 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. 751 00:32:16,081 --> 00:32:18,201 Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me be a part of your community. 752 00:32:18,401 --> 00:32:20,321 Speaker 2: Thank you, and we believe all of your show notes 753 00:32:20,441 --> 00:32:22,481 Speaker 2: in the description box as well as everyone can connect 754 00:32:22,521 --> 00:32:24,761 Speaker 2: with you and we hope to connect with you sometimes soon. 755 00:32:24,761 --> 00:32:26,721 Speaker 2: If you ever come to Australia, you know we're your 756 00:32:26,721 --> 00:32:32,321 Speaker 2: girls dream location. We'll take care of you if you 757 00:32:32,361 --> 00:32:32,641 Speaker 2: come here. 758 00:32:32,721 --> 00:32:35,841 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, all the Japanese, all the food places like you. 759 00:32:35,921 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: Just let us know when we're booking the ticket. 760 00:32:38,961 --> 00:32:40,401 Speaker 3: Done setting you a dam after this. 761 00:32:42,121 --> 00:32:44,801 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you guys. 762 00:32:44,841 --> 00:32:45,601 Speaker 2: Bye everyone,