WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 3 October 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:05.200 From the sky Center. This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.440 Hello, welcome to the show big one we had for 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:09.680 you this Thursday night. 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.920 The Queensland election is just weeks away. 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:17.000 And just finishing over on Channel nine was the Leader's Debate. 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.280 Now there will be a People's Forum in the final 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.720 week of the campaign. But it was fascinating to see 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.440 the two leaders taking on each other, one we are 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.160 told is the inevitable winner of the election, one with 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.960 no chance of winning the election. It was fascinating to 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.240 watch them go back and forth and do what they do. 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:36.520 But interestingly today Stephen Miles didn't have a fantastic day 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.600 on the campaign trail. In fact, when he was standing 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.120 next to somebody that he would like to get another 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.400 four years in the parliament, he completely forgot who the 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:46.159 candidate was. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.560 I don't have that detail in front of me. Fat 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:59.160 means that years to day. Susan, Yeah, of course it's Susan. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:00:59.600 Yeah. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.760 I was with her the other nights. Okay. Now, as 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.800 for the actual debate again over on Channel nine. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.680 Interesting to see the different tax that people took when 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.160 they were asking the questions. I thought Sophie for Micah, 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.400 particularly from four BC, was an absolute star. She has 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.399 been on Telly for a long time, but now she's 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.640 doing afternoons on four BC. Great listen if you're ever 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:25.840 in town. But I thought she was particularly good with 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.120 her questioning the state political reporter for Channel nine. I 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.200 think was sort of going for the grabs and the 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.440 lefty from the Brisbane Times. Well, okay, but let's talk 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.360 here about a couple of things that took place. Now 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.200 Stephen Miles, obviously as the man behind, is trying to 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.400 do something to put doubt back into voters' minds. Now, 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.600 anyone who has lived in Queensland has seen this government 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.280 over not just the past four years, but the couple 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.520 of terms before that. No, that virtually every indicy has 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.760 got worse. Everyone knows, as we've talked about about hospital ramping, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.240 the worst in the country and the worst in the 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.320 state's history. We know that youth crime is particularly out 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.560 of control. So this bloke is trying to change the subject. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.720 So he's trying to twist and turn to pretend that 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:14.079 the euthanasia laws in Queensland will secretly be changed by 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:18.360 the opposition. Watch how the thing plays out and how crucifully, 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:19.560 in my view, hits it out. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:20.000 Of the park. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.440 I can assure you we don't have plans to make 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:24.400 those changes. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.880 These are the kinds of weasel words we get from David. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.120 Don't have plans to Okay, I mean something different, will 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:31.680 not happen. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.640 May I do better? This will not happen, will not happen. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:35.560 You can't guarantee that. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:36.959 Oh my goodness, I say you're not going to have 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:38.639 a conscience vote if there's a private members. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:39.000 Will not happen. 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.239 You can't go Well, you asked me to say it, 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:42.880 so I did, and then you're still. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.080 Not So your beliefs have changed? 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.239 Has that happened? Have your beliefs changed? 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.440 It is not part of our plan. It will not happen. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.600 What matters help your values and what you believe. 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.800 Well, our focus is fixing the mess you've created. 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.280 Extraordinary Right now, every MP had a conscience vote. Chrus 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.799 fully voted against what ended up being the majority position. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.720 He has said there will be no change, but that's. 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:05.160 Not good enough. 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.160 That of course will now he clipped up and thrown 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.040 around TikTok and again get a good run in the 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:13.040 bruceban times. But still pretty obvious there about who is 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.600 desperate and who is confident. Always good to hear a 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.840 politician speak confidently in a leader's debate. I think that 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.560 one of the best moments I've ever seen in leader's 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.920 debates was the People's Forum South Australia when Peter Malanowskis 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.760 was laid down Missaire going to win that state election. 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:32.359 He was asked about cost of living and he was 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.920 asked about government getting involved in the cost and prices 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.440 of things. Now, the easy small target slam dunk was 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:39.839 to say yes, absolutely, I will. 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:40.720 It's dead. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.640 He turned around and he said very clearly that there's 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.360 a limit to what a government can do. Now, this 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.600 is not what alberanize he did. Hence why Albanese is 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:48.400 in the world of trouble that. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:49.400 He is in right now. 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.920 Well, I think that we're getting a rival for that 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.360 moment out of David crucifully because when they're talking about crime, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.880 he made an absolute guarantee that he would hold himself 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.920 responsible if his government fails to deliver what most Queenslands 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.480 want most Queenslanders want, which is a substantial reduction in 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.160 the number of the victims of crime. 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.520 But here is part of the exchange in and around 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.080 crime tonight, just in front of Queenslanders tonight. 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.160 You've given that commitment to resign if you do not 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.720 achieve that metric, by what date will you achieve that 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.280 metric or resigners Premier Tim, We'll be setting targets for 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.560 fewer victims year on year and that is important to 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:31.159 me ultimately, and ultimately, if there aren't fewer victims, Queenslanders 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.600 would make their own assessment on me, as they have 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.720 made on this government. They have had enough of the 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.120 broken promises. And I'm serious about it, and I'm not 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.400 giving myself any regal room. It's victim numbers. It's not 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.520 number of unique offenses and what happens on a Wednesday 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.560 and how many young people repeat. It's victim numbers. 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.799 How many people have had their life torn apart. 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.360 And the promise is if he fails to deliver on 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.039 what Queenslanders expect him to deliver, that he would resign 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.480 before the next election. Now that again is confidence in 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.080 your ability to actually deal with a problem, and it's 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:07.200 a consequence if you don't something. Stephen Miles obviously would 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:11.400 go nowhere near something that people like Palichet would go 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.080 nowhere near. And I thought that was a pretty good 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.760 moment for David Crucifully. Now, of course my bias in this, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.640 I'm not going to pretend not. I think the Labour 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.800 Party has been horrific for Queensland. I think its current 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.600 premiere is absolutely not fit for purpose, and the previous 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.600 premiere well, I've had plenty to say about her and 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:31.080 the failure of her government. A very good feature in 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.800 the Channel nine debate tonight, despite the fact the backgrounds terrible, right, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.760 terrible backgrounds. You think somebody would be able to stop 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:38.279 the strobing. 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.400 So I'm sorry. That's not a technical problem on our end. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.960 It's because they were standing in front of basically sort 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.719 of giant led screens that for some reason were strobing, 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.160 So I'm sorry. Premier then decided to wear a strobing tie, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.680 all of which perhaps is one of the reasons I've 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.320 got a light sensitive of migraine tonight. But they were 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.640 asked to ask a question of each other, and this 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.160 is always interesting I think happen at every debate because 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.119 it means the key hit that you want to deliver 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.400 to your opposition you were able to do so if 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.520 it hasn't already come up with the journalists. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:09.600 Crucid fully to Miles. 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:15.160 Premiere in twenty fifteen, the government boasted about weakening the 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.760 youth justice laws. On the back of it, Queensland has 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.119 seen a generation of untouchables, young repeat offenders, more victim 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.479 numbers than anywhere else. Why did you take that decision 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.200 and do you regret making it? 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.720 Well, David, as you know, anyone who pretends it's as 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.880 simple as one decision and can be fixed as simply 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:41.039 as one forward slogan is just being dishonest with Queenslanders. 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.480 Miles to crucifully Labor. 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:49.360 Released our costings before the election campaign. You've made billions 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.240 of dollars of commitments, but you haven't told Queenslanders how 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.800 you will fund them. On Tuesday you'll receiver briefing from 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.920 the Treasury with a current budget position. Will you tell 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.799 Queenslanders how your fund your promises before they start voting 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:05.440 Monday week? 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.240 How plans are fully costed and fully funded? 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.560 And you know that, And I mentioned well, we have 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.160 on every one, every policy we have taken down to 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.800 the dollar, we have shown Queenslanders what it's going to cost. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.200 The result was clear to me. The election seems like 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.560 it is clear as well. However, as soon as the 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.600 assumption is that one thing is going to happen. Strange 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.119 things can happen now inevitably over the election campaign, Labor 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.000 will ever so slightly start to tick up, the LMP 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.200 will ever so slightly start to tick down. That in 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.280 and of itself creates a certain series of narratives. But 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.680 two things I've got to quickly say to people whom 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.280 I love in Queensland. Don't assume somebody else is going 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.720 to do the job for you. It is your job, 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.600 in my view, to change the government, and that, in 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.320 my view is very clear and very obvious. The second 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.080 thing is that your preferences matter, and in actual fact 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.560 the preference system has now been locked in. It's one 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.760 of the meaning little fiddles that the Labor Party have 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.480 done since they have come into power, along with changing 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:09.040 the election spending laws, so unions are able to tip 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.840 in money for the political party that they are already 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.160 members of, that being the Labor Party, as independent or 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.520 third party people. There are more than a dozen of 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.040 those unions, so it means that at various times the 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.320 unions will be able to spend up to ten times 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:29.600 more than a political party at this election. In certain 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.439 seats there are lots of lies that are being pushed around. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.480 All I say is this Coenslade over the past four 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.520 years has gone backwards in my view. Who went backwards 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.400 in the many years before that after the change to 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.880 this labor government. They are very good at politics, they 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.880 are very good at media management, they are very good 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.040 at working the stories behind the scenes. But all I 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.679 say is, if you know somebody who has been a 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.160 victim of crime, you've got to change the government. If 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:57.839 you know somebody who has spent too long in the 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.959 back of a hospital, you need to change the government. 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.440 If you want people who are willing to hold themselves 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.800 to account rather than weasel words and find their way 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.800 to get out of a promise they're previously made, you 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.920 must change the government because more of the same will 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:17.400 not be good for Queensland. Now, speaking of Queensland, a 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.480 beautiful baby Luca. Now, of course he was the victim 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.600 of that horrific scolding where the hot liquid was poured 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.880 upon him. He's a beautiful little boy and he's back 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.320 in the news tonight because there's a teensy bit more 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.280 information that we are starting to learn about the person 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.480 who police believe is responsible here Sadly, the story in 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.120 and around lucas that he is going to have some 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.920 lifelong injuries and consequences as a result of how significant 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.000 that the burns were. But I want to offer nothing 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:45.800 but strength and love to that little man and to 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:46.920 his wonderful parents. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:48.320 Now, you know, the only. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.920 Footage that we've got was sort of a quick little 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.160 CCTV moment of somebody who was running from the scene. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.120 The still version of that photo was when I think 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.120 somebody was at a bus stop, said multiple times before. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.120 The absurdity of the situation right now is police know 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.480 the name of that person. Now police have told us 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.360 that this person has apparently fled the country. We have 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.559 learned that this person was on a student visa and 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.880 most likely the country that he has gone back to 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:17.559 in China is not a place that's going to be 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:18.679 particularly easy. 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.640 For anyone to be found, let alone for anyone to. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.679 Be extradited, because of course Australia understandably does not want 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.480 a reciprocal system where if China wants to go after somebody, 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.920 they can nab them off the streets here. But the 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.560 identity of this man should be known. But because Luca 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.920 is clearly under the age of eighteen and is described as. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:42.520 A victim who is therefore a youth. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.000 Then you're not able to identify the person who police 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.320 believe responsible or may will end up being charged because 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.839 that somehow will identify Luca. Now his parents have identified him, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.480 other people in the media have decided to say what 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.880 Luca's name is. So I'm more than happy to sit 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.120 in that place. We should know who this person is, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.559 and for a brief moment today there were people who 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.400 did know. Outside of the law enforcement that is trying 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.640 to find this piece of work. A Facebook page was 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.559 posted in an international news story. We have hidden some 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.520 of the detail here because again I don't want to 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.199 end up in a scenario where we are going to 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:24.520 make it any easier for this person to not end 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:29.360 up with the potential full consequences of the law. Now, interestingly, 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.760 police were on four BC today talking about this Facebook post. 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.360 I can show it. I think we can now the 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.480 Facebook post. Again, we've blurred out to any other references 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.920 to his name. Well, this was police speaking about the 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.000 information that is around on the internet tonight. But again 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.800 they can't talk about officially because of what I've just identified, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.160 where you cannot identify the victim of a crime, a 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:52.560 person under the age of eighteen. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.680 So things are registraction to the investigation. But we're very 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.280 much committed to finding the individual responsible. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.600 But one thing I can show you is a way 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.920 that you can help Lucas family. Now, we know we're 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:06.480 all doing it tough and lots of people are having 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.160 their great difficulties at the moment when it comes to 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.160 cost of living. So I have no expectation that people 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.680 have got lazy thousand dollars down the back of the couch. 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:14.760 They do have a go fundme, Paige. It is to 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.880 help pay for his medical rehabilitation. Okay, if you would 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.640 like to go to that site, it is GoFundMe dot 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:27.360 com forward slash f forard slash Baby Lucas Medical Treatments. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.480 So just if you simply search baby Luca's medical treatments 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.079 and the words go fund me, and I know go 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.120 fund me in the past has some people have issues 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.319 with this particular fundraising site, but it is the main one. 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.439 It is endorsed by the family, and I like that 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.040 number to be as high as possible, as fast as possible. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.240 If you can help out this little mate, because the 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.920 fact that the person whom police believe is responsible is 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.560 no closer to being court means justice may not be on. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.760 Its way, but certainly the love of Australia always is. Then. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.679 A bit more breaking news that's happening this evening is 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.559 in relation to protest movements which were planned in and 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.839 around the anniversary of October seventh. Now you know that 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.599 last weekend things got particularly out of control when not 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.280 the movement for Palestine, but people taking to the streets 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:18.160 to mourn the death of the head of Hezbollah, who 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.480 of course is listed as a terrorist organization in this 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.319 country because of its atrocities around the world. It is 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.880 of course not supported by the people of Lebanon. It 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.240 is not supported by the government of Lebanon. It is 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:35.360 well and truly an organization that, as I said, qualifies 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.719 in every way in my mind for terrorism. But we 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.240 have people that are willing to mourn the death of 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.679 its leader publicly. We have people who are willing to 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.920 take to the streets wearing the paraphernalia that is in 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.920 support of said listed terrorist organization. And we've had the 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:54.640 chat all week about who's going to be charged and 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.360 if they get charged, what's the likelihood of anyone actually 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:02.080 going to remember, maximum is twelve months in jail. Maximum 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.320 fine in one state in New South Wales is about 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:05.640 eleven thousand dollars. 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:07.800 So the minimums, most. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.959 Likely which don't exist, will will be decided by a 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.160 judiciary which we have seen many times before when it 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.880 comes to things like climate protests are not as tough 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.560 as you and I would like them to be. Well, 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.640 today in the Supreme Court in New South Wales, back 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.520 and forth about whether or not a protest that is 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.640 planned for this weekend can go ahead. Now this is 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.400 one that is being run by the same people who 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.400 have run a weekly protest in support of the people 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.840 of Palestine. Now at times, fringes on the edges of 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.560 these groups, frankly, have got a little bit to two 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.920 pro hamas rather than focus on the innocent civilians that 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.120 have been affected over the past twelve months. And I've 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.720 had plenty to say about all of that. Now there 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.600 should not be, and I mean there should not be 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.840 any sort of opportunity of a public gathering for people 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:59.320 to latch onto it on the fringes who will end 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.480 up doing the propaganda. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.160 Bidding of hamas. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.520 On the very weekend when the Jewish community, of course, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.720 is looking back on what has happened to them twelve 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.160 months ago. Now, it being a public holiday long weekend 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.880 most parts of the country, there would be an expectation 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.120 that if there was a protest a lot more people 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.280 will be turning up now. The premiere of New South 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.240 Wales has made it very clear earlier in the week 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.320 he didn't want this to happen at all. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.040 It was a difficult decision, but we believe the right 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.440 decision in the circumstances. At the end of the day, 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.760 the police didn't believe that the march and protest could 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.880 be done safely on Sydney streets and as a result 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.640 they believe they had no alternative but to make that 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.960 application in the Supreme Court. I want to make it 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:47.200 clear we completely support police's decision in relation to that application. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.280 So the government says no, not the right time. We 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.600 understand you've got fifty You've done this for the best 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.760 part of a year. There has been very limited problems, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.880 but right now, for obvious reasons, tensions are heightened. We 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:00.960 have seen people on the very same streets of the 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.840 very same city who may well try to glom on 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.520 to that organization. And to that protest, so therefore best 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.040 not to have it. We've seen the police say exactly 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.600 the same thing as I say. Supreme Court today was 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.760 where all of this was being fought out. Well, the 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.760 breaking news tonight is it's going to happen, and not 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.320 because a court has ruled, but because a deal has 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.800 now been done between the upper echelons of the Nisibas 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.600 police and the people who will be marching through the 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.520 streets on Saturday in Sydney. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.920 The eleventh hour and during this three hour hearing, an 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.720 associate of the defense team passed on a message that 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.360 an agreement had been reached behind closed doors. There'll be 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.280 a slight modification to the path protesters will march on 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:47.080 Sunday through the city, avoiding that synagogue along Park Street 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.880 and instead turning down Pitt Street and then Market Street. Now, 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.280 organizers are expecting around five thousand people here, but police 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.120 say it could be close to to fifteen thousand. But 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.040 organizers are adamant that that one day vigil will be 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:02.880 smaller and it will be peaceful. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.800 Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:12.440 Now, this is an absolute capitulation, and a piece week 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.000 one at that by the upper echelons at the news 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.280 was police force. And while the show is absolutely pro cop, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.120 you know how pro cop I am. When the decisions 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.000 are being made to essentially roll the dice and see 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.840 what happens here, well, this is not acceptable. 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:26.840 Now. 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:28.639 The reason why they were able to come to the 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.280 dealer is, as you just heard that the protest route 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.840 will be slightly different. It will not go past a 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.200 significant synagogue in the heart of Sydney, but people will 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.440 be free to march, they will be free to speak, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.520 and there of course will be a major gathering which 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.680 has always happened over the past year in and around 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:50.880 Hyde Park. But police at the upper echelons have got 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.040 form here and we know that there is one way 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.520 to handle things, and there is another way to handle things. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.920 Remember when things happened in and around the Opera House 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.200 in the days after October seventh. Now this was before 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.000 Israel had responded to what had happened on October the seventh, 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.080 So this was just flat out celebration of Hamas and 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:10.680 what he had done on October the seventh. 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:11.199 Now you know. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.200 How aggressive I have been about these forms of protest, 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.840 not the majority of the protests which have happened over 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:25.080 the past twelve months. But that type of protest where 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:26.960 what we all heard with our own ears was of 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.600 course pushed back the other way, and you didn't hear that. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.760 But apparently where's the jews were somehow better than what 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.000 we all assumed had happened at the start of this situation. 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.520 Now that protest did not start at the Opera House. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.680 That embarrassment did not happen at the Opera House alone. 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.640 Earlier that day, there was earlier, about half an hour 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.000 before all of that, there was a meeting at town Hall. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.520 Now town Hall was where the meeting had took place, 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.160 but there was no approval for a protest. Now police 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:00.959 have shown multiple time to the past that they are 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:02.600 willing to push back if you do not have the 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.720 permit to go marching through the streets and disturbing central 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.760 business district of Sydney. But this is what police said 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.080 at the time about why the people who ended up 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.080 doing what they did in the disgraceful fashion that they 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.920 did at the Opera House were allowed to move thirty 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:23.000 minutes in a march from town Hall down George Street 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.040 and then over to the Opera House. 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:30.720 Best option for police was to manage the movement of 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.720 those people from Sydney Town Hall to the Opera House, 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.480 to ensure that we were able to control the movement 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.760 of the people and get them to a place where 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.200 we could manage the rally in its form, and to 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.359 prevent the risk of conflict. 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.639 See that's the whole point, right because the expectation is 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:52.440 is that, oh, this crab might be too hard to hand, 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.840 or they might push back harder than other groups that 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.919